NSFCD

In Tsumaru's "Valve takes down idling" thread, a few people mentioned how they no longer found much enjoyment in playing TF2 anymore, and therefore, they no longer have the game installed on their computers.

For most people, this wouldn't have been much of a problem. They would look at the thread, say to themselves, "Hey, these people have opinions, if they don't want to play TF2 anymore, that's not a problem for me!", shrug their shoulders, and continue on with their business.

But things were not so for a young autistic boy named Error on the NS2 TF2 thread. Upon reading the words of these heretics, who DARED to even SUGGEST that TF2 might have lost their interest, he ran back to NS2, cross-eyed and frothing at the mouth.

"Hey, guys, look at this!" he declared, linking to Tsumaru's thread. "Man, you thought we were butthurt about Valve taking down idling? Check out NSFCD! None of us uninstalled the game over it, what a bunch of babies!" Burninglink hurried to the defense of his favorite game, armed with only his searing wit and an outdated internet meme.

"This is a valid reason to quit the game, amirite?" he scoffed, before returning to the NS2 thread to discuss the hilarious antics of "Dancing Scoot."

Now, I'm used to the general ignorance that pervades most of the NS2 TF2 thread, and I'm okay with that. After all, it's your forum, you can be stupid there if you want. However, when you try to disparage people who no longer play TF2 on NSF, it seems that I have to give you a simple reminder...


I got the okay from Totla to post this, please proceed with crying bitter tears now.

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Most of the people that proclaimed they had quit in the thread had quit quite a while ago.

And tbqh, they have been wrecking their reputation, and the game for quite a while now.  Not enough to make it unenjoyable in my mind, but then again, I enjoy opening up a can of wupass on people.  There are a number of things they screwed up (quite badly)

1. Pyros still aren't really balanced.  They're amazing in the hands of someone that's great at reflecting stuff, but until they get amazing at it, they pretty much die on sight.  The Backburner is utterly useless on most official maps.

2. Razorback, Jarate, Huntsman hitboxes.  In order, 1. Razorback is worthless and no good sniper would ever use it.  Sitting behind your own lines to snipe isn't a particularly great tactic, but even in the event that it is, a spy can still kill you before you have time to react 90% of the time.  2. It's a jar of piss.  Oh, yeah, and it still goes through gates.  Most gates.  The Huntsman's headshot hitboxes are too big, and having a 1 hit kill projectile that is as spammable as the huntsman causes mass complaints (which there are).  The Sniper gets two largely anti-spy weapons, which they really could have put more thought into.

3. They have done nothing to increase the viability of play for the non-comp classes (pyro, spy, heevee, engineeer, sniper).  Though they keep claiming that they want to, any changes they make that the comp players want don't make sense, as most of the people that play the game are in pubs.  They screwed up the sandman situation, because they didn't realize that it was banned because it stunned, not because it was overpowered.  No comp player wants to play a game like that.  The upcoming heavy gloves of running (or whatever they're called) will be fairly useless as well.  A heavy is at a disadvantage because he takes so long to wind up in addition to his slow speed, not one or the other.  Fixing one does not fix the other.  The Engineer's new wrench will also do nothing, because the engineer still has to sit around like an idiot while his sentry builds, and it still dies in two shots.

4. Backstabs STILL haven't been fixed, lag compensation.

5. Left 4 Dead 2 one year after Left 4 Dead.

6. Hiring poop holes to do interviews

7. The Halo situation.  Now, I'm not for or against any side on this, but the fact is that Valve screwed this up big time.  Up until peoples' items gained from idling were taken away (which, I admit, I lost absolutely nothing of value in), it was cloudy, but largely assumed that Valve was okay with the idler.  They gave a community weapon to the guy that made it, along with a number of other things (iirc).  The only evidence for or against was one badly written and unclear paragraph on the official website.  It neither said that it was okay or that it was to be outlawed.  Even so, they deleted peoples' weapons that they gained from before that message as well, even if they had stopped idling at that point in time.  The problem people have isn't that their weapons were deleted.  It's more that they were called cheaters, and that the people that didn't use the program, or idled in-game (which is the exact same thing, but it uses less computer resources) were lorded over them, put on a pedestal above them.  At least that's their point of view.  Then the people with halos (though this group was mostly trolls) decided to take advantage of the situation and piss off the 4.5% that used the idler (which is a misleading number, because at least 15,000 different people used the idler, possibly more.  This number is about half of the daily userbase.  15,000 is 4.5% of the total amount of people that own and have registered tf2 or the orange box).  As a result, people got mad off, and even though I haven't seen this, and I believe it to be blown way out of proportion, there are claims that, on some servers (probably those poop 24/7 instaspawn 2fort servers), people discriminate against people who wear the halo, claiming that it is being lorded over them.  And it's true, that was Valve's intention. That those who took "the moral high road" were to be rewarded, while those who managed to unwittingly "cheat", were punished.  This made no sense whatsoever.

8. The 360 and PS3 versions are still broken, in addition to the screw-ups they made with server hosting before getting it right (setting class limits at will, namely).

9. Valve and Community weapons.  Although it's nice to reward those that contribute, your reward to yourself for making the game is that you get paid.  Not that you get to access cheat weapons that you program in for yourself.  Not only do all Valve employees get all of the hats, they additionally get a full set of "Valve Weapons" which are grossly overpowered and are meant to be lorded over the general population if they decide to go play the game themselves.

10. Shitty custom maps.  We can all agree on this.  The atrocity that is the new Pipeline (the winning team almost always rolled the last stage before the update, and now it happens every single time because they are given a 50% advantage).  Hoodoo.  Egypt, Watchtower, Junction, and quite a few others.  These are some of the worst offenders.  They select maps seemingly at random and incorporate them into the system just so they have to do less work.  If they look pretty, they add them, regardless of how unbalanced (Hoodoo) or boring (Yukon) they are.  They have done nothing to get rid of the Red superiority on Goldrush, Dustbowl Stage 2 cap 2, Stage 3 caps 1 and 2.

11.  They continually make downgrades or upgrades instead of sidegrades.  Examples of downgrades include - Cloak & Dagger, Razorback, Ambassador, Backburner, Natascha, Sandvich, KGB (because really, if you come down to the point of needing to punch someone, the fists are much better.  Only in a melee battle is the KGB worthwhile), Sandman, Bonk, Jarate (Gun > Piss) FAN (any good scout will use the Scattergun.  The FAN is great against most other things, but leaves you useless against another scout).  Upgrades include - Axetinguisher, Blutsauger, Ubersaw (if you need to melee as a medic, you're probably dead anyways).  Sidegrades include Huntsman (projectile spam), Kritzkreig (the only truely balanced unlockable), The Dead Ringer (1200 health, balanced with a hugely loud sound), the Flare gun.

Only Idiot pyros use the backburner

All medics use the Blut, The Ubersaw, and whichever medigun is the most useful at the time.

The best spies usually use the regular watch and the normal revolver.  In a case where you would need the ambassador, your teammates should just as easily be able to clear the area with your help, rather than you lone wolfing it.

The best pyros will use the regular flamer, the axetinguisher, and usually the flare gun (though it depends on the map).

The best heavies will go with a regular loadout.

The best scouts will go with a regular loadout.

The best snipers will go with a regular loadout, in most situations.


All they have left to upgrade are the soldier, which is a great all around (they will be unable to do this without overpowering him), the demoman, which throws pooploads of damage very easily, and the camping king.  The outlook is terrible.



K, ive written enough.

I still play TF2, just not as much as I used too.

My favorite servers have gotten laggy, our server is broken and Silver doesn't try to fix it because he knows no one uses it, and it's really hard to find a server where there's no one arguing about halos or using memes all the time.

I may be somewhat of a hypocrite when it comes to the meme part, but I don't think I'm as extreme as some of the other people that play.

If you guys wanted to play on our server, I'd be willing to fix it.
It's just, as you said, no one plays that much anymore, and as it is it's not really worth the time it would take to fix it.

Quote from: Tortilla on September 06, 2009, 08:13:47 PM
If you guys wanted to play on our server, I'd be willing to fix it.
It's just, as you said, no one plays that much anymore, and as it is it's not really worth the time it would take to fix it.

I would play on the server if there was ever anyone else on it, and I'm sure many others feel the same.

If the server was working right now, I'd play.

Quote from: Jono2 on September 06, 2009, 08:16:23 PM
I would play on the server if there was ever anyone else on it, and I'm sure many others feel the same.

Then someone has to be the person to go "hey, i should join and invite everyone" and not go "no one else is playing so i'll just not play". If you guys would do that, I'd fix it whenever I got the time. Probably saturday.

Quote from: Tortilla on September 06, 2009, 08:22:00 PM
Then someone has to be the person to go "hey, i should join and invite everyone" and not go "no one else is playing so i'll just not play". If you guys would do that, I'd fix it whenever I got the time. Probably saturday.

I used to do that on occassion.  Nobody would really ever join :\

Eh, this one wasn't a worthy sequel to "The Rise and Downfall of NS2". Guess I'll wait for it to come out on DVD.

Quote from: Jono2Gun > Piss

Y-y-you did not just say that.

Quote from: Subach on September 07, 2009, 04:06:29 PM
Y-y-you did not just say that.

It is true.

Quote from: Linkfan on September 07, 2009, 04:10:26 PM
It is true.

Personally I find running around, throwing piss on people is a lot more fun than shooting people with a machine gun loaded with the world's smallest and flattest bullets.

But each to their own, though anyone who doesn't enjoy using Jarate at some level has no soul.

All I can say is that I enjoyed the comic.

Quote from: Subach on September 07, 2009, 04:19:39 PM
Personally I find running around, throwing piss on people is a lot more fun than shooting people with a machine gun loaded with the world's smallest and flattest bullets.

But each to their own, though anyone who doesn't enjoy using Jarate at some level has no soul.

Throwing a jar of piss might be fun, but you probably won't be helping out your team much if that's all you're doing.

But some people manage to help out that way.

The responses to this on the NS2 TF2 thread are too much. I had to have laughed for a good 10 minutes or so.

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Although I am mildly frightened. The only person who has actually seen what I look like that goes here is Kachi, unless they've done some major internet stalking. So idk how she knows how I'm rather unattractive. :c

i mean really look at this

how stupid could you possibly be

Dear Abstract. You hurt my feelings with your posts. I am politely asking you to stop, or I'll have to file charges for internet bullying. ;_;

Did I miss anything?

This isn't fun without Totlarage, you guys.

Quote from: Tsumaru on September 07, 2009, 05:41:07 PM
Did I miss anything?

This isn't fun without Totlarage, you guys.

Dude, I've been so chilled out today I can't even rage if I wanted to.

its tons of fun throwing piss on people

but the SMG is just more useful :\

Quote from: Abstract Art on September 07, 2009, 05:16:06 PM

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The responses to this on the NS2 TF2 thread are too much. I had to have laughed for a good 10 minutes or so.

i mean really look at this

how stupid could you possibly be

What she is saying makes sense. You have never seen her picture before.

Quote from: SHININGSTEEL on September 07, 2009, 06:24:31 PM
What she is saying makes sense. You have never seen her picture before.

Other than the fact that one could readily assume that Artemis is ugly as hell, she linked her Deviantart account with a poorly drawn ANNIE-MAY caricature of herself on a thread on NS2 a month or so ago, I believe.

So, no, "HOW COULD ANYONE KNOW THIS" doesn't really make any sense.

Quote from: Tortilla on September 06, 2009, 08:13:47 PM
If you guys wanted to play on our server, I'd be willing to fix it.
It's just, as you said, no one plays that much anymore, and as it is it's not really worth the time it would take to fix it.

I might as well stop paying for it, then. =/

Quote from: Silverhawk79 on September 07, 2009, 07:18:31 PM
I might as well stop paying for it, then. =/

If people will play on it, I'll fix it and it'll be worth paying for.
And apparently people want to play on it. So I'll fix it as soon as I get some free time.

I'd play if everyone else played :U

If I really wanted to, silver, I could post that picture.

Also, hai NSF.

The eagle is crying.

;_;7

whats wrong with it that needs fixing?

Quote from: Sylvur on September 07, 2009, 05:27:37 PM
Dear Abstract. You hurt my feelings with your posts. I am politely asking you to stop, or I'll have to file charges for internet bullying. ;_;

I APPEAR TO HAVE RUN INTO LEGAL TROUBLE AND IT LOOKS SERIOUS

PLEASE ADVICE

Quote from: Jono2 on September 07, 2009, 08:55:44 PM
whats wrong with it that needs fixing?

Sourcemod has been dead for a while now, meaning we can't change the map, kick people, or use any other abilities.

Sourcemod...had a hard life ;_;7

Quote from: Tsumaru on September 08, 2009, 03:57:53 AM
Sourcemod...had its life cut in half ;_;7

fixd

Well, I at least can appreciate that Kachi doesn't swoop in like some motherf***ing Internet Rambo every time his precious whale queen is under attack, unlike Error and Kireek.

Cheers to you, Kachi. R.I.P. Sourcemod. I knew thee well.

also ily ns2 <3<3<3

jk not really

Kachi is a true bro.

i apologize for my previous shoddy work

here is the pinnacle of accuracy

The resemblance is astounding.

Quote from: Tsumaru on September 08, 2009, 08:11:41 PM
The resemblance is astounding.

I know, right?

I call it "Free Artemis".

Oh god that was pretty funny.

Quote from: Jono2 on September 06, 2009, 07:51:00 PM
8. The 360 and PS3 versions are still broken, in addition to the screw-ups they made with server hosting before getting it right (setting class limits at will, namely).

I still don't understand why valve can't release the updates on the computer version so far for 360 and ps3, i would pay 800 ms points for the dlc then minorly update it when new ones come out.

scaled properly

Quote from: Abstract Art on September 09, 2009, 04:24:06 PM

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scaled properly

Oh god.

The more ridiculous it becomes, the more I laugh.

Quote from: Tsumaru on September 09, 2009, 05:53:32 PM
The more ridiculous it becomes, the more I laugh.

You too can help save the Artemises of the world by calling 1-800-4-WHALES.

Quote from: Mutilator<Seven> on September 09, 2009, 02:08:14 PM
I still don't understand why valve can't release the updates on the computer version so far for 360 and ps3, i would pay 800 ms points for the dlc then minorly update it when new ones come out.

theyve given up on the PS3 version and there are space problems with the xbox.  TF2 on the PC takes up a TON of space.

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pokemon livestream night with burninglink and artemis

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"HELP MY FAT E-GIRLFRIEND WAS INSULTED ON THE INTERNET BY SOMEONE ALERT THE MEDIA"

laff

I approve of this thread.
Even though I'm unsure at this point about what its purpose is.

Quote from: Silverhawk79 on September 11, 2009, 07:44:47 PM
I approve of this thread.
Even though I'm unsure at this point about what its purpose is.

Well, right now it's being used to unfairly disparage a fine community with quality users such as Burninglink, DDantas, and a she-whale.

But I appreciate your support no less, captain.

I don't know what's going on, as I don't play TF2, but I do believe Abstract Art deserves a medal.

Quote from: Abstract Art on September 11, 2009, 08:07:28 PM
a fine community

First time I've ever seen this used to describe anything NSider.

Quote from: Friendly Hostile on September 12, 2009, 10:51:12 AM
First time I've ever seen this used to describe anything NSider.

You're right. Even in jest, that may be a little too much.

Quote from: Abstract Art on September 08, 2009, 09:48:10 AM
Well, I at least can appreciate that Kachi doesn't swoop in like some motherf***ing Internet Rambo every time his precious whale queen is under attack, unlike Error and Kireek.

Cheers to you, Kachi. R.I.P. Sourcemod. I knew thee well.

also ily ns2 <3<3<3

jk not really

wat? I've known artemis for years. I make fun of her much worse.