Salutations Comrades.
In an effort to bridge the gap between the staff and the userbase, we're going to keep doing more and more feedback projects, and keep you up to date on just what is going on in this eclectic world we call NSFCD. The beginning of this is rather...uh...not great. Beyond that, it gets a little happier as we extend our congratulations to a few users. The part dealing with drama will be spoilered. It's not really worth the space, but it needs to be said.
[spoiler]Let's kick it off with talk of the hot topic then: Doodle. As a head's up, he has really been banned for 68 weeks right now. No word of a lie. We decided on 3 weeks per alt (+1 per IRC). Every additional alt beyond the ban - be it from him or a friend, will add to the total. I know this seems harsh, but after calling one of our members a horse toothed n_gger with one of the last alts, we've decided that now should be quality over quantity. To those that left - be it Talim, Sync, Kilroy, whoever...no we're not banning you. Instead, it just proves that you are having difficulty leaving your friends behind. And rightfully so - the very site that has been a refuge for you is getting left in the dust. Nice friends eh?
These users think it is acceptable to call people n_ggers with detail. They think raiding the site is beneficial to it. Frankly, I implore you all to reconsider your stance right now. These users leaving, while saddening, is just another obstacle we will overcome. And frankly, the cannibalism that has been as of late will likely end as a result.
One last point about this - should there be retaliation for this, be it targeting staff, making alts, whatever...it'll just be added to Doodle's ban. NSFCD isn't a serious site, but we want to protect our users who don't deserve poop like that. [/spoiler]
On that note, I'd like to point out I didn't mention Custom. He's left for his own reasons, unrelated to Doodle. If you see him, don't be a ninny like people have been. Custom's a cool kid, and we will very much so miss him.
Moving on, another thing we'll be missing is the Serious Discussion board. It is effectively being retired as of tonight...it'll be off to Mt. Pyre for its proper burial. Replacing it on the board index for a time will be Power Down (to try and further promote it). Semi-serious threads will be accepted in Power On now (or whatever applicable board). It was decided that its current state just wasn't what we were looking for in a Serious Board. A few select threads will be moved out here (and bumped) for further discussion. Otherwise, you may make new discussions for some of these topics.
A more personal note is that the Chat Thread will be restricting the posting of Youtube (and other) videos for convenience sake. If you'd like to leave a link, be our guest. But for the most part, it shouldn't be the discussion of YT Vids. There's an app thread for that. (http://nsfcd.com/index.php?topic=31212.0) You can post vids in their unadulterated form in there, discuss them like you would in the chat thread, etc. It's really more of an organizational (and load time) request - we won't be punishing people, but we'll be splitting and merging posts.
While we're discussing posting and issues, we may as well remind you of the "Report to Moderator" function. If you see something offensive, degrading, whatever - don't whine about it all over the place. It makes you a blatant target, and frankly, whiny. Instead, click that button, fill in the details, sit back, and relax. If something happens in #nsider, message a staff member you trust who can handle it. I should note, however, that abusing this system is going to cause issues. Just back up what you're saying, and you'll be fine. Mods will use their discretion as to the way to handle the situation.
The TF2 server has come to the end of its life cycle. Due to the high costs and low turnout, we will be shutting it down for the next billing period. We'll be trying to contact some other sites about getting nights going on to continue our TF2 obsession. Currently, the future of the board is in limbo. If you'd like to see it live on, let us know by making threads and continuing to post. It will be up for evaluation upon the cancellation of the server should we not acquire means to keep our nights going.
Furthermore, we'll be going through and purging special ranks in the admin control panel. You likely won't notice this at all, but it's a good thing to let you be in the know about. Anything not in use/earmarked will be removed tomorrow. If you would like to host an event and have a rank as a prize, be sure to drop us a line.
An even more personal note is that the staff voted to officially recognize me as an administrator last night. This won't affect the current state of affairs at all - it merely formalizes my position. Nonetheless, I'll likely continue to flit through whatever rank I see fit to do so. My focus will continue to be on minor site updates. I'll also be adding a unique role of building relations with other sites.
To accommodate my needs, we are further expanding our staff...so to speak. Not really. It's a hybrid staff/special rank, sort of like SIT. We don't have an actual name for it yet, so we'll call it Squirtle Squad for the time. Skymyl and Boredfanboy will be helping us as off site representatives to mutually build relationships with other communities. As Ambassadors, they'll be privy to a few points of interest...but in reality, their goal is to find common ground between sites, get a flow of users going, be welcoming, informative, and propose ideas to foster growth. While we're squeezing work out of BFB and MYL, we'd like to point out that this is also a way to thank them for their commitment to the site. Both have unique personalities. Our Ambassador program is currently in the pilot phase - we are the only site to commit to it at this point, and it is a test for us. We have high hopes with these two stellar users at the helm of it, though.
Finally, Dawei will be returning to the moderator rank simply because SS is being used now. He's been slowly returning to us...so perhaps this will be enticement for him to post. Be sure to bow before him though. In case you didn't know - this makes us the largest staff ever. So we're firing Silver for breaking the forum last night. (On that note, the forum will be offline in the near future for an upgrade).
Hopefully these changes are none to drastic. We'd again like to thank you for your continued support through these tumultuous times. Please warmly welcome Dawei, BFB, and MYL, too! Gratz all.
-The Staff
Congrats to both SkyMYL and Bored!
Also, I like some of these changes. They seem to fit.
And to say the truth, I don't care all that much that Doodle and that gang left/got banned. Doesn't affect me that much.
I guess this is what welcoming every new user for two years gets ya.
You're going to need an extra hand if you're Staff, even partially.
Quote from: SkyMyl on April 12, 2010, 10:58:19 PM
I guess this is what welcoming every new user for two years gets ya.
You're going to need an extra hand if you're Staff, even partially.
Wait, does this mean that Voice is also 'staff'? That is so badass I can't even describe it.
We only hired him because of Voice.
Congrats people.
Quote from: Shakespeare on April 12, 2010, 11:08:35 PM
We only hired him because of Voice.
Coolness +15. Duration: permanent
Congrats all
I thought that the Doodle thing was kinda overreacting until I read this. Good to know.
Congrats to the Squirtle Squad (which should really be Schutzstaffel imo) for being guinea pigs in the new liaison program and Dawei as a old-but-new mod (does that even make sense).
I don't even know who these people are I'm such a loner ;___;
Quote from: Mikoyan on April 12, 2010, 11:46:12 PM
Congrats to the Squirtle Squad (which should really be Schutzstaffel imo) for being guinea pigs in the new liaison program and Dawei as a old-but-new mod (does that even make sense).
I don't even know who these people are I'm such a loner ;___;
I still love you <3
Everytime I come here something happens... geeze.
Quote from: えっちーせんぱい on April 13, 2010, 02:18:02 AM
Everytime I come here something happens... geeze.
Heavens forbid that. It must be awful to have a staff who tries to make the site better.
Anyways staff updates are cool, congrats to all four (Really 3) of you especially MYL
50% because of voice and I already know what sites they'll be working on so it'll be interesting to see their progress.
Not really surprised by the board updates.
Serious board was cool but it wasn't really used much and those topics could be posted here anyways. Should just have some way to avoid joking around with some of those.
And doodle deserved it completely. Sad to see custom go but I'm not overly surprised by that either.
I meant more drama nonsense between users, don't jump on me.
Quote from: えっちーせんぱい on April 13, 2010, 03:12:31 AM
I meant more drama nonsense between users, don't jump on me.
I'm just kidding. If I was targeting you then trust me, you'd know. Along with the fact your post was pretty unclear anyways but whatever.
But it's not really drama. Just doodle making a poopload of accounts and getting banned for it. Well, at least from what I've experienced on the forums. I've heard different from chat.
Whee, time to dissect a quote. I'll put everything in spoiler boxes to save space.
[spoiler=Doodle]
Quote from: Shakespeare on April 12, 2010, 10:47:03 PM
Let's kick it off with talk of the hot topic then: Doodle. As a head's up, he has really been banned for 68 weeks right now. No word of a lie. We decided on 3 weeks per alt (+1 per IRC). Every additional alt beyond the ban - be it from him or a friend, will add to the total. I know this seems harsh, but after calling one of our members a horse toothed n_gger with one of the last alts, we've decided that now should be quality over quantity. To those that left - be it Talim, Sync, Kilroy, whoever...no we're not banning you. Instead, it just proves that you are having difficulty leaving your friends behind. And rightfully so - the very site that has been a refuge for you is getting left in the dust. Nice friends eh?
These users think it is acceptable to call people n_ggers with detail. They think raiding the site is beneficial to it. Frankly, I implore you all to reconsider your stance right now. These users leaving, while saddening, is just another obstacle we will overcome. And frankly, the cannibalism that has been as of late will likely end as a result.
One last point about this - should there be retaliation for this, be it targeting staff, making alts, whatever...it'll just be added to Doodle's ban. NSFCD isn't a serious site, but we want to protect our users who don't deserve poop like that.
I'll miss Doodle, but I really don't care if he's banned now. I mean, he was asking for it with all the alts. I think it's safe to say we won't be seeing him for a looooong time.[/spoiler]
[spoiler=Custom]
QuoteOn that note, I'd like to point out I didn't mention Custom. He's left for his own reasons, unrelated to Doodle. If you see him, don't be a ninny like people have been. Custom's a cool kid, and we will very much so miss him.
Um, if you want to say that, go ahead. I think him leaving will make NSFCD a better place, but that's just my honest opinion.[/spoiler]
[spoiler=SD]
QuoteMoving on, another thing we'll be missing is the Serious Discussion board. It is effectively being retired as of tonight...it'll be off to Mt. Pyre for its proper burial. Replacing it on the board index for a time will be Power Down (to try and further promote it). Semi-serious threads will be accepted in Power On now (or whatever applicable board). It was decided that its current state just wasn't what we were looking for in a Serious Board. A few select threads will be moved out here (and bumped) for further discussion. Otherwise, you may make new discussions for some of these topics.
Might as well. I never got use out of the SD board anyway.[/spoiler]
[spoiler=Chat Thread]
QuoteA more personal note is that the Chat Thread will be restricting the posting of Youtube (and other) videos for convenience sake. If you'd like to leave a link, be our guest. But for the most part, it shouldn't be the discussion of YT Vids. There's an app thread for that. (http://nsfcd.com/index.php?topic=31212.0) You can post vids in their unadulterated form in there, discuss them like you would in the chat thread, etc. It's really more of an organizational (and load time) request - we won't be punishing people, but we'll be splitting and merging posts.
GOOD. I don't wanna have to sift through random youtube videos while looking for a conversation in the Chat Thread. Especially when my internet connection is acting up (like it was yesterday), the videos just make the page take a bit longer to load depending on how many are on there. And yes, there's
an a- a thread for that.[/spoiler]
[spoiler=Report to Moderator]
QuoteWhile we're discussing posting and issues, we may as well remind you of the "Report to Moderator" function. If you see something offensive, degrading, whatever - don't whine about it all over the place. It makes you a blatant target, and frankly, whiny. Instead, click that button, fill in the details, sit back, and relax. If something happens in #nsider, message a staff member you trust who can handle it. I should note, however, that abusing this system is going to cause issues. Just back up what you're saying, and you'll be fine. Mods will use their discretion as to the way to handle the situation.
You know, users would use this more if they knew the Mods would actually pay attention to these and listen. I avoid them, since it's a small forum (one board-- oh wait. Still, most stuff happens in PO.) and the staff will see it eventually. If you guys pay attention to these reported things, we won't hesitate to use them if need be.[/spoiler]
[spoiler=Squirtle Squad]
QuoteTo accommodate my needs, we are further expanding our staff...so to speak. Not really. It's a hybrid staff/special rank, sort of like SIT. We don't have an actual name for it yet, so we'll call it Squirtle Squad for the time. Skymyl and Boredfanboy will be helping us as off site representatives to mutually build relationships with other communities. As Ambassadors, they'll be privy to a few points of interest...but in reality, their goal is to find common ground between sites, get a flow of users going, be welcoming, informative, and propose ideas to foster growth. While we're squeezing work out of BFB and MYL, we'd like to point out that this is also a way to thank them for their commitment to the site. Both have unique personalities. Our Ambassador program is currently in the pilot phase - we are the only site to commit to it at this point, and it is a test for us. We have high hopes with these two stellar users at the helm of it, though.
No offense to anyone here, but I in no way think this was a good idea. You remember the poop that happened with the SIT rank? No good came from it. Also, does this mean other people can't help out with this? You know, I'm good at negotiating and I would be able to help with that stuff, but hey. Apparently you picked a few 'experts' so let's let THEM do all the work. Fine by me. I personally don't think that will work at all. But, if it does, you have proved me wrong.[/spoiler]
[spoiler=Staff]
QuoteFinally, Dawei will be returning to the moderator rank simply because SS is being used now. He's been slowly returning to us...so perhaps this will be enticement for him to post. Be sure to bow before him though. In case you didn't know - this makes us the largest staff ever. So we're firing Silver for breaking the forum last night. (On that note, the forum will be offline in the near future for an upgrade).
Largest staff ever. That's what I loathe in a forum, when nearly half of the active members are staff. That just means, everything is tipped in their favor. Something happens between a lowly groundling and a staff member, and instantly, that lowly groundling is banned. If I see this go to half staff, half not, I'm leaving. That's what the SIT did. It left about 5 active members rankless. So yeah, out of all the active members, they were all SIT'd except a few. There was also a problem with users bragging about ranks a long time ago. I do NOT want to see any of that poop at all. Same goes for the SS. Also, I'm getting awfully tired of this "firing Silver" nonsense. That needs to stop as well.[/spoiler]
That being said, I will be watching as all this goes down. I think that something will go wrong. And I'll be waiting for it to happen.
Quote from: Kianglo on April 13, 2010, 03:45:34 AM
No offense to anyone here, but I in no way think this was a good idea. You remember the poop that happened with the SIT rank? No good came from it. Also, does this mean other people can't help out with this? You know, I'm good at negotiating and I would be able to help with that stuff, but hey. Apparently you picked a few 'experts' so let's let THEM do all the work. Fine by me. I personally don't think that will work at all. But, if it does, you have proved me wrong.
Um. What? SIT worked fine. They gave us some very good ideas, and I'm really not sure what you're trying to get at. The only reason SIT fell apart is because people became inactive.
...The intercourse at what K just said?
If we compare the two, the SIT had 9 members of it, this has two working on it and on separate roles. There's a good amount in difference in it. If you really want to help (That goes for anyone, especially considering I've seen both other sites involved) why not just ask? While nobody ever said "We could use some help" nobody ever said the opposite in this announcement. This is MYL and BFB we're talking about here. You really think they're going to just flat out say no? well maybe voice will
tl;dr: Of course people can help out on it. If people weren't able to that'd be completely ridiculous...Though I have no idea why this wasn't noted in the announcement but the announcement was ridiculously long as is.
Custom, Talim, Sync, and Kilroy
whatever happened to staying until the end? all left? Well, I don't give a intercourse about Talim. She didn't do much anyway. It's so tempting to leave, but I love you guys too much.
Quote from: KaosNo offense to anyone here, but I in no way think this was a good idea. You remember the poop that happened with the SIT rank?
That was only Genius causing it if I recall correctly.
For some reason I did not see the words "Serious Discussion" when I was reading that part of the post even though I remember treading the rest of the sentence that it was in :(
I should just intercourse ing leave. Not once can I post my opinion without everyone finding every single thing that's wrong with it. Oh wait, It's my OPINION. I can't be wrong, if it's an opinion.
But still, you guys always jump on me for the stupidest things, and since I put it in spoilers, that means you DID NOT HAVE to click them. In other words, since clicking them was up to you, leave your negative comments to yourself. Seriously, what is it when I can't even use a spoiler box anymore.
Quote from: Kianglo on April 13, 2010, 01:09:45 PM
I can't be wrong, if it's an opinion.
There's however more backed up and sturdy opinions but whatever.
Anyways the point was just saying "If you want to truly help (That goes to anyone) Why not just ask them for yourselves?" Nobody ever said you couldn't. And I still see nobody who has yet to say that. Especially since it's different from SIT.
Quote from: Third K on April 13, 2010, 01:38:14 PM
There's however more backed up and sturdy opinions but whatever.
Anyways the point was just saying "If you want to truly help (That goes to anyone) Why not just ask them for yourselves?" Nobody ever said you couldn't. And I still see nobody who has yet to say that. Especially since it's different from SIT.
Yeah, but I'm wondering: What makes MYL and BFB so special? Why are they given a rank designed for that purpose? I really fail to see the point in the rank itself, honestly. Again, no offense to either of the two.
Quote from: Kianglo on April 13, 2010, 01:09:45 PM
I should just intercourse ing leave. Not once can I post my opinion without everyone finding every single thing that's wrong with it. Oh wait, It's my OPINION. I can't be wrong, if it's an opinion.
But still, you guys always jump on me for the stupidest things, and since I put it in spoilers, that means you DID NOT HAVE to click them. In other words, since clicking them was up to you, leave your negative comments to yourself. Seriously, what is it when I can't even use a spoiler box anymore.
I'm in no means trying to be offensive when I say this, but, the intercourse is wrong with you? You are lambasting the ideas the staff has tabled...yet you aren't subject to the same criticisms? Constructive criticism, which is what this is, helps develop the site further. You seem to think that we are targeting you as a person...that's not the case. Anytime you post something, in spoilers or not, it is the right of the users here to break it apart and critique it: after all, you had no hesitation in doing so to my post. It's a two way street.
As for the staff ratio, the staff involved in the decision making process is still, unfortunately, limited to those that actually voice their opinions. Which is a rather small percentage. Our staff has different areas of expertise, schedules, etc. so we are off setting that. Plus, Dawei left after being mugged in real life. You can deal with his mod presence if he can deal with that.
And no, SIT was a pretty big success while the users stayed active. In fact, it's impact can be seen on the staff today - Light, bluaki, FH, and myself were all SIT members that drove new ideas into the site. And no, even with 9 SIT and upwards of 15 staff, the userbase overwhelming outdid their numbers. It wasn't 5 members left without ranks - it was closer to 45. Even now, we have well over 50 users that regularly drop by (as evidenced in the acp and recent polls with larger votes).
As to what makes them special? Plenty. Both have unique characteristics that make them beneficial to this program. Both were chosen for very different reasons so as to see the extents each end of the spectrum could provide to us. And I ask you...if a site has a graphics team, does that mean no one else can make sigs? No. We're simply assigning the roles to users we know are capable of fostering relationships in a meaningful way for organizational sake. Sure, everyone can do it. But a) no one is, and b) it won't be a collective, motivated effort. This program may well fail -it's a pilot after all, but we're open to new ideals. And frankly, both users are candidates for moderator on these forums because they're upstanding.
One final note - the whining part was aimed at two users in particular. You're one of them. Stop taking everything as an affront against yourself - it's not meant to be, I assure you. And when it legitimately is, we DO listen. On the other hand, we don't if you make a public display about it...by that point, it's shark infested waters.
Quote from: Kianglo on April 13, 2010, 01:09:45 PM
Oh wait, It's my OPINION. I can't be wrong, if it's an opinion.
XD Good one.
[spoiler=big-ish post]
Quote from: Shakespeare on April 13, 2010, 03:23:16 PM
I'm in no means trying to be offensive when I say this, but, the intercourse is wrong with you? You are lambasting the ideas the staff has tabled...yet you aren't subject to the same criticisms? Constructive criticism, which is what this is, helps develop the site further. You seem to think that we are targeting you as a person...that's not the case. Anytime you post something, in spoilers or not, it is the right of the users here to break it apart and critique it: after all, you had no hesitation in doing so to my post. It's a two way street.
Your post wasn't originally in spoilers, Sir. I put them there.
QuoteAs for the staff ratio, the staff involved in the decision making process is still, unfortunately, limited to those that actually voice their opinions. Which is a rather small percentage. Our staff has different areas of expertise, schedules, etc. so we are off setting that. Plus, Dawei left after being mugged in real life. You can deal with his mod presence if he can deal with that.
I'm not concerned as much with Dawei returning, I'm concerned that you added more staff as members left. Seems rather odd to me, just saying.
QuoteAnd no, SIT was a pretty big success while the users stayed active. In fact, it's impact can be seen on the staff today - Light, bluaki, FH, and myself were all SIT members that drove new ideas into the site. And no, even with 9 SIT and upwards of 15 staff, the userbase overwhelming outdid their numbers. It wasn't 5 members left without ranks - it was closer to 45. Even now, we have well over 50 users that regularly drop by (as evidenced in the acp and recent polls with larger votes).
I'm not counting semi-active members. Also, not every SIT member contributed as much as they could. It seemed as if you made a little too many, and you gave the rank to users you didn't know as well. You may not see it as such, but I do.
QuoteAs to what makes them special? Plenty. Both have unique characteristics that make them beneficial to this program. Both were chosen for very different reasons so as to see the extents each end of the spectrum could provide to us. And I ask you...if a site has a graphics team, does that mean no one else can make sigs? No. We're simply assigning the roles to users we know are capable of fostering relationships in a meaningful way for organizational sake. Sure, everyone can do it. But a) no one is, and b) it won't be a collective, motivated effort. This program may well fail -it's a pilot after all, but we're open to new ideals. And frankly, both users are candidates for moderator on these forums because they're upstanding.
You should have made Voice Squirtle Squad then. I in no way see exactly how personalities can be good or bad for the job, unless a person was particularly good at creating bonds between communities. Also, perhaps nominating a few people and having us vote representatives would have been a good idea, in my honest opinion. It seemed a little sudden with the decisions.
QuoteOne final note - the whining part was aimed at two users in particular. You're one of them. Stop taking everything as an affront against yourself - it's not meant to be, I assure you. And when it legitimately is, we DO listen. On the other hand, we don't if you make a public display about it...by that point, it's shark infested waters.
How do you know that? You can't assume you know how someone is feeling by watching from the sidelines. Maybe a lot of things were directed at me. I was quite frankly getting tired of Custom sending me multiple PMs and queries telling me to kill myself. If that wasn't directed towards me, maybe I need serious help. Because "Kaos, we hate you, kill yourself" seems pretty darn personal.[/spoiler]
...I'm not even replying to all this arguing but,
Quote from: Kianglo on April 13, 2010, 02:53:24 PM
Yeah, but I'm wondering: What makes MYL and BFB so special? Why are they given a rank designed for that purpose? I really fail to see the point in the rank itself, honestly. Again, no offense to either of the two.
I can very well answer this.
What makes MYL and BFB so special is not only that they are great regulars with great contributions (Seriously, if you don't think MYL is a good contributor even without voice, I don't want
that person to have a voice on anything staff related
ever. Never. Well okay, unless you were just joking or something. Though voice is awe- I'm just rambling now aren't I?) but have you ever considered that they are also great users at those other forums and are good at finding common ground? They don't have to be super great; Just some initiative and some understanding of both sites and so forth.
This rank isn't just about "Who works well within the community" Furthermore, this goes to anyone, anyone who WANTS to contribute in seeing those other two communities should just step up and ask use whether it be Private Message or IRC or something. Mainly BFB and MYL. As I keep saying, people take to much of a lack of initiative sometimes. What is the worst case scenario? They'll say no? If they do, contact an administrator. Silver's pretty nice and understanding as a head admin.
Now this doesn't mean that you have to have a super drive towards helping but why not just
ask even about the sites to say, BFB, Mace/Mack/Shakespeare/Not your mom/Etc, MYL or so on? What's the worst they're going to possibly do. Sometimes it's more looking at it from a perspective of "What's the worst case scenario and the best case scenario" Than "This may plummit" When we take a look at it...
Worst case scenario: BFB and MYL get absolutely/almost nothing done and nobody else feels like contributing. This ends up with the rank's retirement and that's that.
When you put it down to it's simplest forum it isn't so bad. On the other hand in it's strongest forum it can mean a lot for this community. Affiliation has always been pretty mediocre on all 3 sites.
edit: and this goes to everyone. I'm only a staff member so far on one site yet I'm still giving in a good fair share of what I can do. It's for sure not hurting at all - See how well worst case and best case scenario's work there?
I'll respond to each part numerically:
1. uh, what. You misunderstood. I know my post was spoiler free...I do have the basic ability of viewing what I wrote. What I did say is that by posting anything, in a spoiler or not, it is up for debate, criticism, etc. So don't play games.
2. It's a staff/special rank hybrid. They don't have staff board access. They have perks in the arcade. Why when users leave? Uh, did you read what their positions were - the bottom line is that they will be on the front lines of getting users. It doesn't get any more logical.
3. True, they didn't. But this is two users - not nine. Much more manageable. And I don't even get what the rest of the sentence meant - I didn't give anyone SIT. And at the time, the number was manageable. All of its users were well known at the time. As for BFB and MYL, well, that's hardly the case either.
4. I said nothing about personalities in my post - perhaps you should re-read it. But they do have an effect. For instance, you'd probably have an emotional breakdown if someone critiqued your presence on the staff, simply based on your posts above. And why should you vote on who represents us at Hadaway or Ichimonai? In the case of both sites, the staff at least have accounts there, where as the users don't necessarily. It shouldn't be a nominated position - we picked the best choices out of our pool of candidates for future positions. As for being good/bad, quite simply, we know our users well enough to know who can rep us where. BFB is a natural choice for where he has been dispatched, and has already effectively served in the position. MYL isn't quite so obvious off the bat, but his welcoming of users for as long as he has, popularity, and demeanor make him an excellent choice for most anywhere (as well as his knowledge of the community.)
5. Yes, we can. Allow me to show you how:
(http://i208.photobucket.com/albums/bb61/mace360/report.png)
Quote from: Shakespeare on April 13, 2010, 04:17:28 PM
5. Yes, we can. Allow me to show you how:
(http://i208.photobucket.com/albums/bb61/mace360/report.png)
How come when you saw all that poop going on you didn't do anything? reporting would have no greater effect.
If you're referring to the poop in the chat thread, I'll explain a foreign concept to you.
Work.
Quote from: Shakespeare on April 13, 2010, 03:23:16 PM
One final note - the whining part was aimed at two users in particular. You're one of them.
Am I the other?
Quote from: Lotos on April 13, 2010, 05:21:15 PM
Am I the other?
I'm pretty sure it's Silver. Bastard child.
Quote from: Mystic on April 13, 2010, 07:01:06 PM
I'm pretty sure it's Silver. Bastard child.
Quote from: Lotos on April 13, 2010, 05:21:15 PM
Am I the other?
Hi.
But hey, the people who target me are all gone now.
Shit's gonna calm down quickly.
Rob, my post wasn't serious.
Was still pointing out that it's me.
oh god it's me isn't it i suck :( :( :( :( :( :( :( :( :( :( :( :( :( :( :(
Totla you vagina-y.
Only on NSFCD can a perfectly normal thread turn into a bit of drama.
Quote from: Silverhawk79 on April 13, 2010, 07:53:42 PM
Only on NSFCD can a perfectly normal thread turn into a bit of drama.
And things being broken...by a certain Mr.Silver :(
Quote from: Totla on April 13, 2010, 07:35:17 PM
oh god it's me isn't it i suck :( :( :( :( :( :( :( :( :( :( :( :( :( :( :(
hax
Quote from: SilverHunter35 on April 13, 2010, 08:01:44 PM
And things being broken...by a certain Mr.Silver :(
...*twitch*
Quote from: Silverhawk79 on April 13, 2010, 07:53:42 PM
Only on NSFCD can a perfectly normal thread turn into a bit of drama.
You should see ns2. :)
Quote from: Pavie on April 13, 2010, 09:25:11 PM
You should see ns2. :)
Have I mentioned that I love you?
Quote from: Jeff Probst on April 13, 2010, 07:04:07 PM
But hey, the people who target me are all gone now.
Hi.
Anyway, K, you should grow up. When I read your posts all I get out of it is "Wah wah, everyone hates me, why make MYL cool ranked? it should be me. Everyone rages at me and the mods don't do anything about it, I haven't pushed the report button yet, but that's because the mods hate me too."
Whether you meant for any of that to come out, that's what I saw. And as for people telling you to kill yourself, either report the intercourse er or click the magic Ignore button, make use of your powers and stop complaining.
Quote from: JrDude ✔ on April 14, 2010, 12:52:45 AM
Hi.
Anyway, K, you should grow up. When I read your posts all I get out of it is "Wah wah, everyone hates me, why make MYL cool ranked? it should be me. Everyone rages at me and the mods don't do anything about it, I haven't pushed the report button yet, but that's because the mods hate me too."
Whether you meant for any of that to come out, that's what I saw. And as for people telling you to kill yourself, either report the intercourse er or click the magic Ignore button, make use of your powers and stop complaining.
Oh shut up. You know it's impossible to ignore someone when they'll go as far as using proxies, or querying you on IRC using multiple different hosts, etc.
Also, I do believe that talking directly to a mod or admin has a greater impact than sending a report, but I fail to believe that the mods here would ever listen to them. It's just the impression I get from them. If they want to say that they'll listen to reports, then by all means I'll use that method. But I'll have you know I reported a post here in the past and no action was taken.
Quote from: Kianglo on April 14, 2010, 03:12:50 AM
Oh shut up. You know it's impossible to ignore someone when they'll go as far as using proxies, or querying you on IRC using multiple different hosts, etc.
Also, I do believe that talking directly to a mod or admin has a greater impact than sending a report, but I fail to believe that the mods here would ever listen to them. It's just the impression I get from them. If they want to say that they'll listen to reports, then by all means I'll use that method. But I'll have you know I reported a post here in the past and no action was taken.
I easily could, it's not that hard, you know that X on the top right corner? You know what it does? Well I don't use it for those situations, but if that guy bothers you, you might wanna see what clicking it does.
Woooooooooooow, so one opinion of yours was ignored through that system, and that made you think no one will listen? Just because you think something is wrong, doesn't mean the mods will, just because your feelings are hurt, doesn't mean there's something wrong with the post, like in Mack's now old thread (which is gone and I don't remember exactly what it said), suck it up. Report stuff when it feels necessary and if nothing happens, suck it up, it means you're likely overreacting.
Just in case you didn't know, when I say mods, I mean both mods and admins.
Quote from: Jeff Probst on April 13, 2010, 07:04:07 PM
Hi.
But the last two Board of the Month boards were my ideas. I feel as if I complained a little too much when we had the 1999 board (which was an awesome concept). I feel really bad about it, expecially if it was Mack's idea.
You guys should bring back the staff page so we can know who's on staff and what they are (in one consolidated place anyway)
action=staff R.I.P.
I think people need to stop whining when the staff is doing all they can to make this site a more enjoyable and pleasurable experience for anyone that comes here or joins. And maybe try to not have drama in every topic that comes up.
AH, BUT THAT'S JUST WISHFUL THINKING! Hell, I think I complain sometimes.
New conspiracy theory. More Admin/Mods = We get screwed over. Because without us, this place will run along fine.
Tell me, why do people take things online...... especially on a forum (or even chat) So Seriously? :|
If you let it affect your life, then you don't need internet in the 1st place.
[spoiler]in before somebody says, "the internet is serious business"[spoiler]
Quote from: StarWindWizard7 on April 14, 2010, 01:32:45 PM
Tell me, why do people take things online...... especially on a forum (or even chat) So Seriously? :|
If you let it affect your life, then you don't need internet in the 1st place.
[spoiler]in before somebody says, "the internet is serious business"[spoiler]
Aw darn I wanted to say that.
Also, I think that these new ideas are pretty good, I hope everything turns out as planned... as for doodle, knowing he made all those alts...good lord. What's the point of doing that?
Also, K, maybe you shouldn't be whining...perhaps these guys ACTUALLY know what they're doing? Sometimes, just like in the military, a larger squad of several specialized people can be more effective than a small squad of a few people that do EVERYTHING. In the larger squad, everyone can pitch in, but can primarily focus on a main task, allowing for greater effectiveness-more efficient, less wearing out of personnel. In a smaller squad where everyone does everything, that can overwork a man, stress him out, and cause him to be ineffective. See what I'm getting at here?
Quote from: Spencer on April 14, 2010, 01:50:38 PM
Also, K, maybe you shouldn't be whining...perhaps these guys ACTUALLY know what they're doing? Sometimes, just like in the military, a larger squad of several specialized people can be more effective than a small squad of a few people that do EVERYTHING. In the larger squad, everyone can pitch in, but can primarily focus on a main task, allowing for greater effectiveness-more efficient, less wearing out of personnel. In a smaller squad where everyone does everything, that can overwork a man, stress him out, and cause him to be ineffective. See what I'm getting at here?
One day if I can see that they actually know exactly what they're doing, I'll believe it. Perhaps I ACTUALLY know what I'm saying? I don't need people to tell me my opinion is invalid, when I do as a matter of fact know what I'm talking about.
Quote from: Kianglo on April 14, 2010, 01:54:50 PM
One day if I can see that they actually know exactly what they're doing, I'll believe it. Perhaps I ACTUALLY know what I'm saying? I don't need people to tell me my opinion is invalid, when I do as a matter of fact know what I'm talking about.
If they've managed to keep a forum going for as long as they have despite setbacks that have occurred...then that's gotta say SOMETHING...
Quote from: Spencer on April 14, 2010, 01:59:41 PM
If they've managed to keep a forum going for as long as they have despite setbacks that have occurred...then that's gotta say SOMETHING...
I'm not going to back them up on ANYTHING, since no one ever believes a word I say anyway. Also, how can we be positive that they've been doing quite as much as they say they have? I mean, I've never seen a single other forum break as much as this one has. If it's the server causing it, get a new server, or whatever. Not really sure how that works.
But yeah, "Guys, the forum seriously broke and we're trying to fix it" *forum isn't broken - they put it in maintenance mode* "What broke?" "Uh, everything. And watch, we're working our asses off trying to fix it." *is changing rank colors*
That may or may not be the case, since all forums, all websites for that matter, have their problems. They just can't possibly be as bad as they appear. It's possible that there's some exaggeration going on. Either that, or someone out there seriously hates this place and will stop at nothing to cause it problems, however they do that.
Staff, if I'm wrong, tell me. But back it up. I'm just not understanding this.
Quote from: Kianglo on April 14, 2010, 02:06:22 PM
Staff, if I'm wrong, tell me. But back it up. I'm just not understanding this.
You're wrong. When something breaks here, we work as fast as we can to fix it. Those times when we have extended downtime? We're doing more than just "changing rank colors", as you said. Most of that stuff is done on the fly, without any actual downtime. Major fixes require the forum to be in maintenance mode, but nothing else. We do more than people think.
Quote from: Silverhawk79 on April 14, 2010, 02:14:41 PM
You're wrong. When something breaks here, we work as fast as we can to fix it. Those times when we have extended downtime? We're doing more than just "changing rank colors", as you said. Most of that stuff is done on the fly, without any actual downtime. Major fixes require the forum to be in maintenance mode, but nothing else. We do more than people think.
And what could possibly be broken that you didn't break yourself?
Well.
K, I can only speak for myself, but I've been a member of Hadaway, the site I'll be tending the relationship with, for a while. I've been an active member over there (save a sabbatical) since Nsider was open and they called it the Nsider Crusaders. As a regular user over there and over here up until the launch of this program, it means I'm better positioned to look at user's needs and transition issues. I hope that gives you a little more insight into why the choice was made.
As for my part, I'm hoping when can increase the shared userbase we already have between the two sites. I'll be doing that with increased activity on both forums and some PM contact with transitional users. I'll be keeping both sites abreast of special activities happening on either site to increase activity as well as member numbers. Special events like sleepovers are great times to introduce new users to this site because the member activity is usually higher than at other times.
If anyone feels left out while I'm working with Hadaway, PM me. I'll be more than happy to not only take your ideas and suggestions, but to include you in their execution if you'ld like.
The purpose of the position is to improve user relations between the two sites, not to anger NSFCD members. I'm a pretty straightfoward guy, so if you have some criticism of some action I take feel free to call me on it and I'll explain myself. What I will ask, however, is that you give the program itself a chance. It's not going to make NSFCD start poopting out diamonds or quadruple our size in three days, but it should help us grow.
Can we talk about something else and complete this Whining.
Seriously, I'm beginning to get fed up here.
BFB <3
Quote from: Kianglo on April 14, 2010, 02:19:36 PM
And what could possibly be broken that you didn't break yourself?
Many things. I'm not the incompetent admin that I used to be 2 years ago.
Quote from: Kianglo on April 14, 2010, 02:19:36 PM
And what could possibly be broken that you didn't break yourself?
Our forum has been raped by so many external forces that it isn't funny. Old mods that are now incompatible ravaged our files, for instance. A lot can, and has, gone wrong.
Quote from: Shakespeare on April 14, 2010, 03:18:51 PM
Our forum has been raped by so many external forces that it isn't funny. Old mods that are now incompatible ravaged our files, for instance. A lot can, and has, gone wrong.
Essentially this. Our database has been stolen, rewritten, deleted and beat to a bloody pulp. All of which was done people or forces not in our control or that are no longer with us. The very fact that NSFCD has been able to survive this long is pretty darn amazing. Silver has broken a few things here and there, but his mistakes are generally easy to correct and aren't what will bring the site down for an entire day or more
(I mean he has, but usually it's only a few hours), so give the poor guy a bit more credit.
[spoiler=Response for K]
Honestly, this feels like a little kid throwing a tantrum because he didn't get something special like one of the other kids on the school yard did.
I mean, Jesus christ Kaos, what do you have to complain about right now? The people that mainly antagonized you left. The people that were apparently making this forum a living hell for you (which you could have left at any time if it was honestly that bad), several problems of which were never fully brought to the staff's attention, are pretty much gone now. And yet you keep picking fights, mainly over things you know very little about. You don't know everything that goes in the back end of this site. Hell I don't even know the full inner working of the site, and I've been dealing with SMF for a good 4-5 years now, almost 2 of which I have spent here. Silver, Mack, Super and PY, as well as Syntax, Blu and Totla too all put in a royal intercourse ton of work at times to fix poop and make sure it works, and Light gives a lot and works on a good chunk of things here. Give them so credit where it's due . I mean, you sure as hell wouldn't be an expert in the field of forums. In fact, you're probably one of the last people we'd run to for advice on running a forum after your lovely little stint with your previous one. One thing I know for certain though is that you don't know what you're talking about here, and I kindly suggest you take the advice I offered not to long back in the welcome board.[/spoiler]
INTERNET. SERIOUS FUCKING BUSINESS, PEOPLE.
Let's take our temper tantrums to pm's and shove them up our asses.
I can't jack off for two weeks and if i have to hear any more of this bullpoop I might just kill you whiny intercourse ers someone. ^____^
Quote from: Totla on April 14, 2010, 07:50:01 PM
Let's take our temper tantrums to pm's and shove them up our asses.
I can't jack off for two weeks and if i have to hear any more of this bullpoop I might just kill you whiny intercourse ers someone. ^____^
but totla people said mean things and i must defend myself
tl;rd of FH = 'K, you're an idiot, stop complaining.'
I like. :3
...No offence towards k though, just stating my opinion that obviously can not be proven false.
I would've done this earlier, but some unknown force stopped me.
(http://i57.photobucket.com/albums/g211/JrGuy/InternetisSeriousBusiness.jpg)
Quote from: Silverhawk79 on April 14, 2010, 07:52:09 PM
but totla people said mean things and i must defend myself
but silver shut the intercourse up
ohi
I left because all the people I actively desired to talk to on here could be reached on IRC. The forum was inconvenient compared to IRC, so I left. Evidently you don't care, so whatever.
Have fun without some of your most active members~
Quote from: Syd on April 15, 2010, 05:37:58 PM
ohi
I left because all the people I actively desired to talk to on here could be reached on IRC. The forum was inconvenient compared to IRC, so I left. Evidently you don't care, so whatever.
Have fun without some of your most active members~
We will~
Quote from: Syd on April 15, 2010, 05:37:58 PM
ohi
I left because all the people I actively desired to talk to on here could be reached on IRC. The forum was inconvenient compared to IRC, so I left. Evidently you don't care, so whatever.
Have fun without some of your most active members~
oh no plz come back :( :( :( :( :(
Quote from: Syd on April 15, 2010, 05:37:58 PM
ohi
I left because all the people I actively desired to talk to on here could be reached on IRC. The forum was inconvenient compared to IRC, so I left. Evidently you don't care, so whatever.
Have fun without some of your most active members~
Quote from: Syd on September 21, 2009, 02:36:23 PM
Fuck, I love this place. Seriously. I was permabanned and I still came back. Doesn't that say something? I can't live without this place. Too many good friends here, this forum really won't die. If Silver wanders off with Snorkel to Ukraine, one of us will make our own poopty IBPFree forum and get everyone we can there. It's not our features, it's not our "home page", it's our god darned community that keeps us alive. I can guarantee you, at least half of our active members sincerely care about this place (and those who do probably actually checked the bulletin board and saw the thread), and that's enough to keep a forum going. Despite our chat really being more active than the forum, who the intercourse cares? We don't need a mass amount of members, really. Look at NS2. We don't need more than we have. Would it be nice? Sure it would. Is it needed? No. We're fine the way we are. nsfcd.com might die one day in the future, but NSF won't die. It won't ever die. As long as we have contact, be it IRC, this forum, or some other forum, we'll be together. We're too close to part now.
Oh, how things change in a matter of months. You lose some respect points, Kilroy.
I miss Doodle. ;-;
I read through this whole thread since Pavie told me to, and all I have to say is:
lol
Quote from: Arcane Saiph on April 15, 2010, 07:05:14 PM
I read through this whole thread since Pavie told me to, and all I have to say is:
lol
I never told you to post, I told you to lol at the drama. :|
Quote from: Pavie on April 15, 2010, 07:50:37 PM
I never told you to post, I told you to lol at the drama. :|
What, so you don't want me posting here? |:
You guys say hurtful words :(
Quote from: Syd on April 15, 2010, 05:37:58 PM
ohi
I left because all the people I actively desired to talk to on here could be reached on IRC. The forum was inconvenient compared to IRC, so I left. Evidently you don't care, so whatever.
Have fun without some of your most active members~
So you're leaving but it's inconvenient and you've not been as active. So we're having fun without some of our...most active members? I'm not sure I follow.
Wow guys. I'm surprised by how stupid your responses against me were. Especially you FH. Never once did I say that I wanted the rank. I really don't! I don't want it at all. So before you go making all your little assumptions, check and see if i actually SAID that. No. This is why I choose not to listen to your rants at me anymore, since they're based entirely on what you THOUGHT I said.
Guys out there, did I ever say once that I wanted the SS rank? No, I never did. So instead of calling me names and yelling at me for that, how about you critisize me for something I actually said. I just failed to see the entire point in making a specific rank for the job of bridging gaps between other forums. THAT'S ALL I HAD TO SAY.
Quote from: Pavie on April 15, 2010, 07:50:37 PM
I never told you to post, I told you to lol at the drama. :|
this isn't drama.
this is K. this is average. you should have seen k + custom
Quote from: Kianglo on April 16, 2010, 11:59:41 AM
Wow guys. I'm surprised by how stupid your responses against me were.
BFB's response missed the point? :V
Quote from: Third K on April 16, 2010, 12:35:59 PM
this isn't drama.
this is K. this is average. you should have seen k + custom
Oh trust me, I know. A better word would've been stupidity, but I didn't want to make certain people feel butthurt.
Quote from: Third K on April 16, 2010, 12:35:59 PM
this isn't drama.
this is K. this is average. you should have seen k + customBFB's response missed the point? :V
I'm still waiting for an answer to my question: Why make a rank designed for something everybody can do? That was my original question, you all chose to ninny at me about it though.
Quote from: Kianglo on April 16, 2010, 11:59:41 AM
Wow guys. I'm surprised by how stupid your responses against me were. Especially you FH. Never once did I say that I wanted the rank. I really don't! I don't want it at all. So before you go making all your little assumptions, check and see if i actually SAID that. No. This is why I choose not to listen to your rants at me anymore, since they're based entirely on what you THOUGHT I said.
Guys out there, did I ever say once that I wanted the SS rank? No, I never did. So instead of calling me names and yelling at me for that, how about you critisize me for something I actually said. I just failed to see the entire point in making a specific rank for the job of bridging gaps between other forums. THAT'S ALL I HAD TO SAY.
People don't say a lot of things, but you can tell some other things by what they said.
If you got this rank before this thread, you wouldn't have said a word.
Quote from: JrDude âœ" on April 16, 2010, 12:55:54 PM
People don't say a lot of things, but you can tell some other things by what they said.
If you got this rank before this thread, you wouldn't have said a word.
Yes I would. I'd most likely be like "Why do I have this rank? Is there a reason I was chosen for this rank? What?"
In other words, I'd be exactly where I am right now.
Quote from: Kianglo on April 16, 2010, 12:57:21 PM
Yes I would. I'd most likely be like "Why do I have this rank? Is there a reason I was chosen for this rank? What?"
In other words, I'd be exactly where I am right now.
Highly doubtful, but if that makes you feel macho, then keep saying it.
Quote from: JrDude âœ" on April 16, 2010, 12:58:49 PM
Highly doubtful, but if that makes you feel macho, then keep saying it.
Actually, entirely true. If I woke up with a new rank, I'd be very concerned. Unless, or course, I got a PM saying "You received the rank of ______ because..."
Wouldnn't you be confused if you suddenly had a strange rank and a thread about it?
Quote from: Kianglo on April 16, 2010, 01:00:27 PM
Actually, entirely true. If I woke up with a new rank, I'd be very concerned. Unless, or course, I got a PM saying "You received the rank of ______ because..."
Wouldnn't you be confused if you suddenly had a strange rank and a thread about it?
I would be confused, I'd even ask why I got it if it wasn't already said, in the end I wouldn't give a rat's ass.
And by "You wouldn't have said a word" I obviously meant you wouldn't be complaining about anyone getting it.
Quote from: Kianglo on April 16, 2010, 01:00:27 PM
Actually, entirely true. If I woke up with a new rank, I'd be very concerned. Unless, or course, I got a PM saying "You received the rank of ______ because..."
Wouldnn't you be confused if you suddenly had a strange rank and a thread about it?
Sure, but I wouldn't rant on and on about it, and probably wouldn't care much in the end.
Quote from: JrDude âœ" on April 16, 2010, 01:02:50 PM
I would be confused, I'd even ask why I got it if it wasn't already said, in the end I wouldn't give a rat's ass.
And by "You wouldn't have said a word" I obviously meant you wouldn't be complaining about anyone getting it.
I'm not complaining about anyone gettin git, I'm asking about the rank itself. If I got a rank that other people had too, I wouldn't ask about them, as I'm not even doing that now. It would be more of a "Why us? Why this specific group of people?"
This thread is making me laugh so hard. ^_^
Gah!
Does it matter?
They got it because we as Staff Wanted them to have it,
reasons I don't feel like even saying. Regardless, it's non of your concern, so Drop it or else I'll remove you myself. (ban)
This thread is to acknowledge the people we wanted them to have, and nothing more.
Last warning.
Damn it, grow up. :|
Star said darn? lolwat
lolactivity
Quote from: Classic Luigi on April 16, 2010, 05:31:57 PM
Star said darn? lolwat
Star cursed at the beginning of 2010. If I wasn't lazy, I'd go get the post itself.
Also, I don't really want to comment on any of the arguments in this thread. Sorry.
Quote from: Simea on April 16, 2010, 07:02:54 PM
Star cursed at the beginning of 2010. If I wasn't lazy, I'd go get the post itself.
I know he did. I was kidding.
Finally we got stuff done. I support everything, and hope things will work out unlike everything else we've tried in the past.