Even though we don't know if it will ever be created, most of us hope it will, and like last time, we like to hand out ideas, even though most will never be! So here, this is where you should post your ideas for the next Smash Bros., let it be Characters you want in, new Assist Trophies, stages, etc.
Couldn't we wait on this until Smash 4 is actually announced?
BTW, we know there will be a Smash 4. Melee was the best selling Cube game, and Brawl is the best selling "core" game (I hate how well Wii Play did and how well Wii Sports Resort is doing)
** I'll edit in my wants soon**
EDIT: What I want:
1. Removal of all clones unless they are given their own COMPLETELY UNIQUE moveset (meaning no LANDMASTAS!, Luigi-fied, etc. They all have to be original. It's not that hard Nintendo)
2. Third parties stay, and add Megaman for gods sake! The guy is pretty much Nintendo outside the later X games and Legends X_X;; Oh, and add Travis Touchdown. Suda wants him in.
3. Make Stage Builder not suck
4. Make the real adventure mode. Where characters actually go into eachothers world's. Not this subspace boringness
5. How about an online mode Nintendo? That'd be swell!
6. More even distribution of reps. Meaning don't give Pokemon SIX representatives while Metroid and F-Zero get the shaft.
7. More new franchises added to playable roster. Advance Wars, Golden Sun, Starfy, etc. are all good series that need more reps than just an AT.
8. Falco or Wolf. You can't have both. PICK ONE. Star Fox doesn't need more than two reps. At least not until the series gets back on it's feet after the Adventures debacle and the "meh" that was Assault.
9. how about balancing the characters Nintendo? Ya know, the thing Capcom does for Street Fighter to make sure it's fun for everyone from the casual to the tourney players.
and finally
10. Keep the way the music was done.
-Further annihilation of clones.
-MegaMan.
-More songs, more selection for classic stages.
-Original, Melee and Brawl stages remixed somehow.
-One basic "flat" stage. (I like these, but Eldin is the closest to being simply flat, or whatever you want to call it)
-Return of Race to the Finish.
-Classic Adventure mode: several randomized adventure stages for you to go through, with a finale against Bowser.
-Better story, with some characters talking if they can. (ie: Falco makes sly remarks, but Link can just HRAAAAAAAH)
-More freedom with Stage Creation.
More later?
Quote from: Nayrman on July 09, 2009, 06:14:40 PM
Couldn't we wait on this until Smash 4 is actually announced?
BTW, we know there will be a Smash 4. Melee was the best selling Cube game, and Brawl is the best selling "core" game (I hate how well Wii Play did and how well Wii Sports Resort is doing)
** I'll edit in my wants soon**
EDIT: What I want:
1. Removal of all clones unless they are given their own COMPLETELY UNIQUE moveset (meaning no LANDMASTAS!, Luigi-fied, etc.They all have to be original. It's not that hard Nintendo)
2. Third parties stay, and add Megaman for gods sake! The guy is pretty much Nintendo outside the later X games and Legends X_X;; Oh, and add Travis Touchdown. Suda wants him in.
3. Make Stage Builder not suck
4. Make the real adventure mode. Where characters actually go into eachothers world's. Not this subspace boringness
5. How about an online mode Nintendo? That'd be swell!
6. More even distribution of reps. Meaning don't give Pokemon SIX representatives while Metroid and F-Zero get the shaft.
7. More new franchises added to playable roster. Advance Wars, Golden Sun, Starfy, etc. are all good series that need more reps than just an AT.
8. Falco or Wolf. You can't have both. PICK ONE. Star Fox doesn't need more than two reps. At least not until the series gets back on it's feet after the Adventures debacle and the "meh" that was Assault.
9. how about balancing the characters Nintendo? Ya know, the thing Capcom does for Street Fighter to make sure it's fun for everyone from the casual to the tourney players.
and finally
10. Keep the way the music was done.
2. I'd like to see your Final Smash examples if it's not that hard.
4. Would that work? Marth going to a futuristic era like in Star Fox means cavemen going in.
5. Press start on the title screen and go to Wi-Fi Connection.
7. How would Starfy work? I can't picture him fighting.
8. Mack would kill you.
9. You mean as in franchises like in Mario or Link? Then that would mean to have more Star Fox reps.
2. Fox - Landmaster
Falco - Arwing where you fly around like Super Sonic. However, slower than super Sonic but given the lazers to make up for the slowness
Wolf - Gets a new type of weapon from Assault (bazooka, sniper, machine gun, etc.) and can use it for a period of time.
see, easy.
4. You know how the Mario level in Melee's Adventure mode or Zelda's Maze? Basically that but on a MUCH larger scale.
5. No chatting, terrible lag, lack of online modes, random matches might as well be non-existant. Actual online mode please.
7. If I could find Algus from oldsider he'd be giving you pages of movesets for Starfy. Along with ones for Tingle and every obscure character ever made in the Nintendo-verse.
8. I know Mack would kill me. Doesn't change my opinion though. We don't need both of them. I'm fine with either, but we really don't need both of them. Krystal with her staff for unique-ness, FINE, but we don't need two half blatant clones of Fox running around.
9. Balancing as in everyone has a fair chance of actually winning the match at a high level. Look at tourneys and see how many Meta's, Snake's, and Wario's there are compared to guys like Lucas, Falcon, and Link... see what I mean?
SSB4 needs to be called "Melee 2.0 with online".
It'd be the best game ever made.
alright
-add in more characters (obviously) make an online poll for the most desired and actually listen to the poll voters. hey, if you listen to the fans, you can't go wrong.
-it would be sick if they added all stages from past games and made some new stages on top of that. they've always been good with putting stages in i think.
-make a more extensive stage builder that's a little more unlimited.
-give clones their own movesets. like give ganon his word.
-make a good online and don't charge online
-just don't rush it
I would be happy if they improved all the features added in Brawl (Subspace, Stage Builder, Online), added more characters and stages, and had more remixes of old Nintendo songs. DLC would be great too, so they could make balancing patches like Capcom did with SFIV recently.
Quote from: Cornwad on July 10, 2009, 05:42:10 PM
. DLC would be great too, so they could make balancing patches like Capcom did with SFIV recently.
Nintendo needs a HARD DRIVE for that to happen though X_X:;
Quote from: Nayrman on July 10, 2009, 05:46:38 PM
Nintendo needs a HARD DRIVE for that to happen though X_X:;
Is not as easy like the tales you download for FF IV?
Quote from: wiiboychris on July 10, 2009, 06:02:40 PM
Is not as easy like the tales you download for FF IV?
patches and DLC take a lot of memory for individual games. That's why WiiWare sees so little in terms of games that are on PSN or XBLA as well. Those systems have tons more memory, and thus can handle all the DLC and downloadable games.
Frankly the SD card was the worst option they could've gone with for the Wii's memory, especially since it can only be useful for VC/WiiWare games. It doesn't let DLC at all besides the few games willing to risk it like Rock Band/Guitar Hero.
MR. NAMCO AND CLASSIC MARIO FTW!!!!!
Also, the return of Pichu, and Dr. Mario, with different move sets.
And Board the Platforms should make a triumphant return.
And the Masterball should be an item you can trap people in and throw them off the stage but they can break out. (Which is anti-canon, I know, but whatever.)
Ridley, Megaman, Bomberman, Krystal, Ridley, Shadow, Travis Touchdown, Jack, main character in Conduit, Little Mac, King K. Rool
Either Falco or Wolf getting axed.
Jigglypuff getting axed. Mewtwo's back in.
Rob NOT axed.
Ganon's moveset redone.
Better online.
Better stage builder.
Keep music the same.
SSE's cutscenes along with Melee's Adventure.
The choice to play as the N64 or Melee version of that character.
^^^ Everything he said besides ROB who needs to go
I don't think Jiggly is going anywhere anytime soon. If they kept Ness after adding Lucas, I'm pretty sure they're trying to keep the original 12 in the games.
Oh, and either drop Lucas or give him a new moveset. They could replace him with Porky. :P
JNFS, THAT'S BLASPHEMY!!!!!
Lucas is WAY better than Ness. WAY more versatility. I say Ness gets the new moveset.
If I could change anything about Ness, I would give him a decent recovery.
Here's what IIII Want:
Every character ever in Smash Bros RETURNS (Except Young Link who is replaced with Toon Link which is mostly the same besides the Fire Arrow). Which means Dr. Mario returns, Pichu returns, Roy returns, Mewtwo returns, Purin STAYS (No matter how much you wish, Purin will always be in Smash, there's no escape man), and R.O.B. Stays.
A wish that will never be granted: All characters have their own unique moveset.
Every character have their own unique Final Smash.
Young Link as an Assist Trophy (He pops out and puts on a random mask which will do many different things depending on the mask)
Every item makes a return.
Every Pok?ball Pok?mon returns (except the ones that are now playable).
The Master Ball, will only appear when an unoppened Pok?ball is near, you can then catch released Pok?mon and make them your own (If you get back to the Master Ball first).
Deoxys has all 4 forms usable, whether they do the same thing or all do something different.
Mega Man X gets put in.
In adventure mode, a storyline still happens, NO DIALOGUE (Mario will never ever speak, same with Link and many other Nintendo characters), and EVERY Playable Character is somehow in the STORY (Nothing like how you get Purin, Wolf, and Toon Link, nuh uh, EVERY one in the storyline)
The text things (you know, when you accomplish something and stuff, like when you unlock a character it says "*Character* Is now playable" [or something like that]), some are stupidly funny, like maybe someone throws a Pok?ball and someone with a kick attack kicks it (Falcon Kick?), then after the battle one pops up and says "You kicked some Pok?balls in that fight!" (Only the first time it happens) [Yes I know, dumb idea :P)
Shiny Stone item, it will evolve any Pok?ball Pok?mon that can evolve (would make it hard to keep all Pok?ball Pok?mon)
Items from every game that has made it into Brawl (including 3rd party games)
Better online, somehow have some chat thingy available.
That's all I have for now, doubt most will happen, but I can dream, yes?
Oh yeah, and a poll for new characters is a dumb idea, some people will want their characters in so much, that they will find a way to cheat the poll into their desires, maybe with many library computers, or multiple accounts, whatever works.
No more than 5 new characters.
Any more will have to replace old ones who will be axed.
50 character and you've gone waaay too far.
Now, for the important stuff...
-Hitlag now
-Shield stun now
-Lower MK priority
-Lower Snake ninnyy-ness
-Server hosted online
-Open lobby online
-On the fence about air dodge bullpoop... I think multiple is okay if the floaty physics stay
-Grab release axed
I've got way more technical aspects.... too many too list. Competitive smash has become somewhat dumbed down... MK wins out not because of a players skill but because as a character MK is too good.
Don't give a poop about the other stuff really.
Oh and Wiiboy, you made me laugh. Alot.
Oh wait-
HECTOR MOFO'S
No more than 50? Brawl only has 39.
Quote from: JNFS2014 on July 11, 2009, 03:17:32 PM
No more than 50? Brawl only has 39.
And 39 is almost too many as it is.
Oh you took the math seriously.
Personally, I don't think they need to add more than 5, but should we get more than that, 50 is the extreme limit.
Forgot to put "five or so" :P
Quote from: HTA on July 11, 2009, 03:28:23 PM
And 39 is almost too many as it is.
It's not that many, it's just too many clones and some horrid balancing.
Could be worse, Nintendo has more characters than Dragonball, and some DBZ games can get to over 100 characters. All of them besides SSJ4 Goku/Vegeta/Gogeta suck.
Quote from: Nayrman on July 11, 2009, 03:29:54 PM
It's not that many, it's just too many clones and some horrid balancing.
Could be worse, Nintendo has more characters than Dragonball, and some DBZ games can get to over 100 characters. All of them besides SSJ4 Goku/Vegeta/Gogeta suck.
I love lugified clones.
Only true clones in the game are CF and Ganon.
All others have such drastically different moves, although sharing some elements, that they are really not clones.
DBZ games are excessive, and have many more true clones than smash.
If the B moves are inherently the same (Falco's Baster, T.Link's Bow/Bombs, etc.) and the final smash is the same, they're clones.
My only true wish's are to have Young Link return and add in some Golden Sun characters(Isaac, Garet, Jenna). All with an original moveset.
Quote from: Nayrman on July 11, 2009, 03:51:31 PM
If the B moves are inherently the same (Falco's Baster, T.Link's Bow/Bombs, etc.) and the final smash is the same, they're clones.
T-link's arrows charge faster but do less damage, bombs do less damage but cover wider area.
Falco blaster is slow and has hit stun.
You can call them luigified, but they are not full fledged clones.
I thought people would be happy that the A move list is completely different for all clones save CF.
I actually like clones for the fact that they take a character, and morph them into something a little different yet still similar to the original.
You play TL and Link differently, you have different strategies using Falco than you do fox.
btw, it takes just as much work and information to create a cloned move than it does an original one.
You have to make the animation, the frame info, the hitbox, the knockback, the priority...
But it's less original and creative to create a cloned moveset. If it takes the exact same amount of effort, then why can't these guys come up with a more unique set of moves instead?
I know they play differently, but imho it's still lazy and uncreative. Seriously, you can't give Ganondorf his own moveset? T.Link can't have different B attacks like the Deku Leaf, or some other things? I don't even work on the games themselves, and most of us could come up with original movesets rather easily, yet these paid guys can't?
*btw if you like clones so much then apparently everyone should be Metaknight next game* XD
Quote from: Nayrman on July 11, 2009, 04:04:05 PM
But it's less original and creative to create a cloned moveset. If it takes the exact same amount of effort, then why can't these guys come up with a more unique set of moves instead?
I know they play differently, but imho it's still lazy and uncreative. Seriously, you can't give Ganondorf his own moveset? T.Link can't have different B attacks like the Deku Leaf, or some other things? I don't even work on the games themselves, and most of us could come up with original movesets rather easily, yet these paid guys can't?
*btw if you like clones so much then apparently everyone should be Metaknight next game* XD
Eh, a clone MK wouldn't be as good as the original.
Priority would be screwed up.
I was obviously joking.
We don't need two of him running around XD
-40 characters max
-cut pokemon trainer and put mewtwo back in.
-at least 2 stages for each franchise
-no final smash bullpoop
-no items
-Melee's physics
-a intercourse ing online mode that doesn't suck
-ROB sucks dick, get rid of him
I think any form of clone sucks, they should all be different in the most part. Maybe one move that's the same (Like Fox, Falco, AND Wolf's B could be a laser, but not the rest of the moves)
Toon Link should be changed a lot, like his Side B can be a Deku leaf, on the ground it just blows the character back some, but when in the air, it can have a Peach Umbrella feel, but no upward recovery. If Toon Link ever uses a Sling Shot (I forget if he does or not), he can use that instead of a bow, and it will be able to shoot faster and less lag time to do it again. Down B can be the skull hammer or the bomb, whichever, I like the bomb, but it makes it less of a clone. Up B Could be the same I guess, I can't really think of another recovery besides the Deku Leaf.
45 characters should be the max.
The Random box should be changed back to how it was in Melee, that way we can know who we use before the battle starts (I like a specific color on every character, and hate some colors)
New clones shouldn't come, but old ones are probably clones still because they don't want to change people's main. But either way, I think they should go.
Voo Doo doll item. It affects a random player and can only be used for one attack. Must be your attack or it won't do anything (Example, Falcon Punch the doll and it has a 50/50 chance of hurting your opponent or hurting you, but use a hammer on it, and it will just disappear. Character items [like Link's Bomb] do work though). Throwing it off the cliff will do nothing, throwing it at the ground or to the side will make the character trip, throwing it up will make them go up (even if they already double jumped), and throwing it at another character will just have a Mr. Saturn effect (if it's a doll of you, it will hurt both you and the opponent, if it's the opponent, it will hurt double Mr. Saturn, if it's Player 3 and you throw it at Player 2, it will just Mr. Saturn hurt both). Just something I came up with =P
One of Link's Taunts should be playing the Ocarina OR The metal Epona plant flute thingy.
A Better variety of Alternate costumes (Like Toon Link in his Pajamas or train suit [new game], Link being in his farming clothes, or Magic armor, or Zora Armor (TP), Samus actually in the suits instead of just their color, etc.), Similar to Wario's.
Waluigi not being used as a Mario Tennis thing, something better than that (can still be an AT).
Soccer ball sometimes being a Mario Strikers Charged ball (same effect).
Being able to jump more and stuff after using Yoshi's Side B (If you use it and didn't second jump yet, you still can, and you can also use the Up B). I'm tired of accidentally falling off stage after using his side B and not being able to recover. Either that or a new Side B for Yoshi.
Stupid idea here, but Mario being able to fly after using his Side B in the air (like Pit and the winged ones can). Seriously he has his flying cape, why not make it for better use?
It'll need more characters representing more franchises, it will need every stage EVAH plus like 30 new ones, less emphasis on 1P modes, good online servers with awesomesauce online modes, hitstun, more character balance, shorter classic mode, individual target tests, board the platforms, maze, more masterpieces, and idk what else right now.
Oh, and un-colored teams. It just doesn't look right.
1. Declone everyone, ESPECIALLY Ganondorf!
2. Stages that are more relevant to their series. Mario needs more areas that aren't just in one game, Pokemon needs more areas that are actually IN their games, etc. Oh, and no Mushroomy Kingdom stuff. The games have enough great locations, we don't need remade ones, especially post-apocalyptic ones.
3. Give the less-represented series more characters; Samurai Goroh, Soren, and Ridley come to mind. New ones would be nice too; Ray 01 and Isaac, anyone?
4. But don't stop there; how about Krystal, Bowser Jr., and the like? The more the merrier as long as they're interesting (NO CLONES) and wanted. I mean, how is having more a BAD thing as long as they aren't over-powered? You don't like someone, don't play as them.
5. Melee-style gameplay.
6. Like Nayr said at the beginning, make the Adventure mode more... Nintendo related. Melee's was better than SSE.
7. More 3rd Party please. Give SEGA and Konami some more (knuckles, anyone?), and add some whole new parties too; Capcom (megaman), Ubisoft (rayman or travis touchdown), and Square-Enix (Sora, Cloud, Chrono, too many to count) come to mind. Although I kinda don't want Geno in; I mean, he's yet another Mario character (who isn't as deserving as others like Bowser Jr.), yet he'd also probably take up Square's spot... in that case, I'd feel like we were getting ripped off.
8. Better Wi-Fi... of course, it is Nintendo.
9. It's kinda small, but... how about an original cinematic opening like Melee, instead of recycled cutscenes like Brawl?
That's all I can think of right now.
Um....Soren? I think they could just put Roy back in.
And Square =/= Brawl.
Quote from: JNFS2014 on July 21, 2009, 03:27:28 PM
Um....Soren? I think they could just put Roy back in.
And Square =/= Brawl.
Except Roy was in probably one of the most poorly received FE games in Japan and was in purely as advertisement. I think Sigurd with his Lance should be in, or a more mage like character.
The only Square character that should be in is either Geno or Chrono. None of the more recent FF games on Nintendo systems haven't been as memorable since the original "abandonment" (which it really wasn't)
Quote from: Nayrman on July 21, 2009, 03:33:35 PM
Except Roy was in probably one of the most poorly received FE games in Japan and was in purely as advertisement. I think Sigurd with his Lance should be in, or a more mage like character.
The only Square character that should be in is either Geno or Chrono. None of the more recent FF games on Nintendo systems haven't been as memorable since the original "abandonment" (which it really wasn't)
At least FF is recent, with 1-6 plus DS remakes, a lot of Crystal Chronicles and Chocobos, two KH games, and that upcoming Crystal Bearer thing all on Nintendo. Besides, FF is Square's main series and may best represent them. Are Chrono games even being made still?
Quote from: SmashBro25 on July 21, 2009, 04:31:28 PM
At least FF is recent, with 1-6 plus DS remakes, a lot of Crystal Chronicles and Chocobos, two KH games, and that upcoming Crystal Bearer thing all on Nintendo. Besides, FF is Square's main series and may best represent them. Are Chrono games even being made still?
Chrono is more popular and had a better game the the IC's and Rob.
FF is an overrated franchise anyway. Besides, most of the Nintendo exclusive games are well under par compared to the main series on the Playstation.
and ewww... Kingdom Hearts X_X;;
Quote from: Nayrman on July 21, 2009, 04:46:35 PM
Chrono is more popular and had a better game the the IC's and Rob.
FF is an overrated franchise anyway. Besides, most of the Nintendo exclusive games are well under par compared to the main series on the Playstation.
and ewww... Kingdom Hearts X_X;;
Lots of series are more popular than IC and ROB... like FF. ;)
FF may or may not be overrated, but it's still extremely popular and one of the biggest game series period, let alone Square Enix's biggest series. And I'll just ignore that KH quip.
Quote from: SmashBro25 on July 21, 2009, 06:33:23 PM
Lots of series are more popular than IC and ROB... like FF. ;)
FF may or may not be overrated, but it's still extremely popular and one of the biggest game series period, let alone Square Enix's biggest series. And I'll just ignore that KH quip.
you know how Yahtzee reacts to JRPG's? That's how I react to KH.
I know it's one of the biggest series out there, but god darn I just hate RPG's so much outside of Pokemon and the Mario ones. Crono Trigger and Earthbound (what little I've played) were the only ones I could get into. X_X:;
I still want to know the reasoning for IC's and Rob...
Quote from: Nayrman on July 21, 2009, 06:48:59 PM
you know how Yahtzee reacts to JRPG's? That's how I react to KH.
I know it's one of the biggest series out there, but god dang I just hate RPG's so much outside of Pokemon and the Mario ones. Crono Trigger and Earthbound (what little I've played) were the only ones I could get into. X_X:;
I still want to know the reasoning for IC's and Rob...
I have no idea about ROB, but IC was one of Sakurai's favorite games when he was younger.
Quote from: SmashBro25 on July 21, 2009, 06:55:04 PM
I have no idea about ROB, but IC was one of Sakurai's favorite games when he was younger.
That's no excuse... seriously, one game only a few played.
I demand characters that actually deserve it.
Quote from: Nayrman on July 21, 2009, 07:04:01 PM
That's no excuse... seriously, one game only a few played.
I demand characters that actually deserve it.
sakurai makes the game if he wants the ICs then he gets the ICs.
Plus ICs are kickass.....unlike piece of poop ROB
Actually, ROB's awesome. He didn't deserve to get in, but he's awesome.
Although, I do feel ROB actually deserved the spot more than IC, considering he had more games and was an actual toy... controller... thing... he's more important so there.
I think R.O.B. got in the same way Snake did, by begging, I think Nintendo might have begged Sakurai to put him in.
Either that or he just needed someone to be the Ancient Minister, and who else but R.O.B. (since he's controlling a bunch of other R.O.B.s)?
Ice Climbers was Sakurai's favorite game as a child (or so I've heard), and that IS an excuse to put them in. Think about it, you guys want a poop load of "undeserving" characters because YOU like the games they were in. If you made the game, you'd put in your favorite characters in for the same reason he put in Ice Climbers.
Bowser Jr., Ridley, Krystal, Mewtwo, Ray 01. These are characters that deserve to be in more than Ice Climbers. These are characters we wanted in. These are characters that Sakurai didn't put in while he did put in IC.
Quote from: SmashBro25 on July 21, 2009, 09:32:16 PM
Bowser Jr., Ridley, Krystal, Mewtwo, Ray 01. These are characters that deserve to be in more than Ice Climbers. These are characters we wanted in. These are characters that Sakurai didn't put in while he did put in IC.
That's just what you say. You're one of those losers who thinks their opinion is fact.
Only Sakurai can say who deserves a spot and who doesn't.
Quote from: JrDude ♪ on July 21, 2009, 09:39:47 PM
That's just what you say. You're one of those losers who thinks their opinion is fact.
Only Sakurai can say who deserves a spot and who doesn't.
Ooh, so "deserves a spot" means "whatever the creator wants," not "has had more games and is more recent and more popular." Now it makes sense.
No more clones
Roy
Half decent adventure mode
make classic mode shorter (It takes way too long in brawl)
More deserving characters like Ridley and Krystal
No ROB
Bring back Mewtwo
Quote from: SmashBro25 on July 21, 2009, 09:45:05 PM
Ooh, so "deserves a spot" means "whatever the creator wants," not "has had more games and is more recent and more popular." Now it makes sense.
Sadly correct.
Quote from: SmashBro25 on July 21, 2009, 09:45:05 PM
Ooh, so "deserves a spot" means "whatever the creator wants," not "has had more games and is more recent and more popular." Now it makes sense.
glad you realized something that should be blatantly obvious
Quote from: Triforceman22 on July 21, 2009, 09:50:27 PM
No more clones
Roy
Half decent adventure mode
make classic mode shorter (It takes way too long in brawl)
More deserving characters like Ridley and Krystal
No ROB
Bring back Mewtwo
What you say?
Quote from: SmashBro25 on July 22, 2009, 08:44:23 AM
What you say?
As in Give roy a new moveset.
I just want him in more than other characters.
gimme some...
bowser jr
team rocket
vaati
unique moves for toon link
mewtwo returns
no mo wolf
animal crosser
more unique costumes for characters
-Of course more characters. since we lost five and got 15 we pretty much increased the roster by 10. I think 50 characters minimum. Only Newcomers that deserve to be in this time. No side party characters like Waluigi. More villians and female combatents. All franchises should be well represented.
-Bring back the unlucky characters. I disagree with Young Link though. Toon Link is basically our Young Link now.
-Adjust movesets so they are more diversed. (Luigi, Falco, Pichu, Dr. Mario, Lucas, etc are fine. Fox and Falco both use guns and reflectors in their games, makes sense they are similar. same goes for the others i mentioned. Characters like Ganondorf, Pichu, and Toon Link need new moves.
-Sakurai owes Falco, Wolf, Lucas, Toon Link and the next newcomers final smashes that are actually well thought out and aren't the same thing as
-For crying out loud, change Ganondorf. Make his use his sword and his fists. Ganondorf is not Falcon's dad. Making a new Ganondorf move set is easy.
-Stop taking away stages. And no more stupid stages. Not another rumble falls type stage or anything stupid like 75m. Bring all the stages from melee and smash 64 back and dont change them. That windmill issue at pkmn stadium is annoying.
-Make the characters well balanced. Test how they're like with everyone else. Make Falcon stronger and MK less powerful.
-Eliminate tripping. Make chain grabs impossible to do. Eliminate locks as well.
-Lose the pointless modes such as Masterpieces, Rotation, that list of games, challenges (let us figure stuff out), we could've had a couple of characters in to replace that wasted space.
-Focus all attention to multiplayer. Unlike single mode it's not repetitive.
-No subspace this time, it was nice but we'd rather have more characters.
-Keep classic. Bring back 20 minute adventure. Give us more hearts in all-star. No boss mode. Eliminate 15 minute brawl. That's not fun at all and no one has ever liked it. Give all characters their own target smash level.
-Can there actually be cool pkmn in smash 4? no stuffed animals please. pkmn battles arent fun anymore. and if moltres is in it put zapdos and articuno in too.
-Do all the assist trophies have to be either useless or cheap. I thought they were supposed to assist not to do all the work so the user can just sit back and watch.
-For items try to make them require more skill to use.
- stage builder is fine but we need more backgrounds and pieces. perhapes water, breakable blocks, lava, something interesting like that.
-allow us to see our random character before the match begins. give good alternate costumes to characters. link-zora armor,
-make the replay time limit enough for any match that's over 3 minutes which is 90% of the time.
-stickers are stupid. put more trophies. coin launcher is okay but there are better ideas for obtaining trophies.
- no opera theme for the game. brawls theme is horrible. plus for music dont waste space and put stupid tracks like wii menu or anything that sounds like we're in an elevator. music was a bit overdone in brawl.
-And finally improve the quality on online play.
There, the perfect smash.
Quote from: tollhouse2006 on August 21, 2009, 07:26:40 AM
Blah Didly Blah.
1. You didn't finish your Final Smash Speech.
2. Dr. Mario should have moves related to his game rather than Mario, either that or more Doctor related moves, otherwise it's pointless to have him, 'cause Dr. Mario never uses a cape and whatnot.
-Lucas should also get new moves, I don't play Earthbound/Mother, so I wouldn't know what though.
-Falco should change a little bit, he can keep his laser and kickable reflector, but something else for the other moves since those ones were just made up.
-Wolf should change a little bit so the similarities with Fox/Falco are less obvious.
3. Stages from 64 and Melee will not return, or at least not all of them.
4. No on the multiplayer, there is the existence of loners in the world, some would rather play 1Player with a purpose rather than 1Player multiplayer. I for one want Classic mode to be almost completely random instead of Zelda first, then Kong/Yoshi, then the same crap all over and over, random is good for Classic.
5. All star is fine with 3 hearts, if you need more you officially suck at Smash Bros.
-Boss mode is fine, just hard, but what I don't want is there to be something earned for beating it with all characters, it should be there mainly for fun.
-15-Minute Brawl is fine too, as long as you don't
have to beat it.
6. ATs are there for like 10 seconds, they may get one kill for you, but that's fine. They are the Other Pok?balls, some Pok?mon kill easily some don't, just like the ATs.
1. NO MORE CLONES. Seriously, how hard can it be to give Ganondorf, Toon Link, and Luigi their own movesets? Especially Ganondorf. And at least give characters unique Final Smashes. <_<
2. More characters. And when I say that, I mean replace some of the characters who aren't as deserving of the spot. For example, replace either Wolf or Falco with Krystal. At least she could be relatively unique.
3. Online that actually works. Also have it use Wii Speak.
4. Improved adventure mode.
5. Pretty much what everyone else said.
Mostly number 5.
Quote from: JrDude ♫ on August 21, 2009, 05:11:04 PM
1. You didn't finish your Final Smash Speech.
2. Dr. Mario should have moves related to his game rather than Mario, either that or more Doctor related moves, otherwise it's pointless to have him, 'cause Dr. Mario never uses a cape and whatnot.
-Lucas should also get new moves, I don't play Earthbound/Mother, so I wouldn't know what though.
-Falco should change a little bit, he can keep his laser and kickable reflector, but something else for the other moves since those ones were just made up.
-Wolf should change a little bit so the similarities with Fox/Falco are less obvious.
3. Stages from 64 and Melee will not return, or at least not all of them.
4. No on the multiplayer, there is the existence of loners in the world, some would rather play 1Player with a purpose rather than 1Player multiplayer. I for one want Classic mode to be almost completely random instead of Zelda first, then Kong/Yoshi, then the same crap all over and over, random is good for Classic.
5. All star is fine with 3 hearts, if you need more you officially suck at Smash Bros.
-Boss mode is fine, just hard, but what I don't want is there to be something earned for beating it with all characters, it should be there mainly for fun.
-15-Minute Brawl is fine too, as long as you don't have to beat it.
6. ATs are there for like 10 seconds, they may get one kill for you, but that's fine. They are the Other Pok?balls, some Pok?mon kill easily some don't, just like the ATs.
Alot of the pokemon are too situational. Even you have to admit brawl's pokemon fail in comparison to melee's.
Maybe some of the characters should have moveset that actually fit them. Why can Ness and Lucas use attacks they can't actually learn, and why is Ganondorf's moveset just a copy-pasted version of Caption Falcon's moveset?
This thread may be as well as a complaint letter...
No. Fuck Brawl.
They should just re-release Melee with a few extra stages and online that works + leaderboards. I'd buy that game in a heartbeat.
Also make sure you have to work for the characters, find out how to get them. Not LOL LET'S PLAY THE STORY MODE AND GET ALL OF THEM IN 30 MINUTES LOL XD
Edit:
Also guys, ROB is much more deserving to be in the game than Lucario. :\
Double edit to the kid with the batchu sig:
As much as I love Square, none of them in Brawl. The memorable FF characters should be in some kind of Sony Brawl thing.
And oh god NO KINGDOM HEARTS CHARACTERS IN BRAWL. EVER
Custom tells the truth. Melee+online and chars/stages=WINm
I know this is a rather old topic, but this board could use some more life, and I would rather post in this one than create a new one. + Mack said I could. I'd normally quote posts for what I feel like replying to, but nobody likes reading gigantic quote trees. Going to go out however and simply say that for the most part, I agree with Hoss, Jr, and HTA. Partly custom as well. I'll just be going through opinions and some stuff on all the topics; Especially since I don't care much due to having the HB Channel.
Melee: Or you know guys; Just copy the physics and the stages mainly then improve on the rest from ground up/other smash engines. From a developer's Point of View, re-releasing a game that didn't sell as good as the sequel isn't the best idea for a sequel.
Roster: Well, this is what seems to be topical the most. First off, with the whole Pokemon/Fire Emblem/What the Devs want business: I might as well denote now that it wasn't the dev team who had this choice. Since both are big series with changing icons, the companies (Intelligent Systems and the Pokemon Co; iirc) Are in charge of this one. With Third-Parties, from what I last recall, Nintendo's part of that one. Outside of that, anything within Nintendo that has no legal rights or programming issues is all available to them. Yes, they can add the Happy Mask Salesman or a Goomba If they really hated us and just have the reason "It looks cool".
Now, JrDude got it correct on characters. Some of you are sounding a bit to "Cut Happy" When cutting characters receives a lot of backlash. Mewtwo and Roy got Backlash; They've only been in one game, and yet I hear people screaming about Falco who's been in two. Cutting should only be done when the character is a true "Dud". The only character that comes into mind when I think of cutting characters is Lucario, and that's simply to shove room for the next "Newer" Pokemon Icon. Speaking of which, this is where I say that Roy makes more sense than Sigurd or Sothe for a third lord. He's basically like all those existing lords except with a huge amount of popularity from Smash as well. Furthermore, while Falco doesn't have as much priority as Krystal, Wolf, and Fox, he sure does have the reoccurance in Smash and in his own series, thus warranting him to stay along with Wolf while Krystal possibly tags along.
As for ROB/Ice Climbers/Etc: Picked because they're Retro and some are iconic to Nintendo's history. ROB Helped sell off the idea of the NES Being an entertainment console. You know, this game isn't only about representing what's recent. It's about Nintendo's entire history. If we go by what's popular only, the roster would be mostly Pokemon and Mario characters.
And Sora/KH Characters won't happen. To get Sora, you'd have to go through Disney and Square Enix. Why would they do that when they could just get a Final Fantasy character or a Dragon Quest one from SE? Then you have to throw in the possibility of SE Even teaming up with Sakurai/Smash/The Devs.
Physics: I'll make this one snappy unlike the Roster one. HTA Got this spot on. Every smash game has been different with some basis on the previous one, so I think the best direction to go is a mixture of all three along with some new stuff. Mainly moreso Melee influence, but who's to say that 64 and Brawl are totally bad? I personally enjoy all three of them around equally and would love a perfect mix. If you're going to just rip off one thing straight from Melee, this gets close to my number 1# With Melee Stages tied in.
Oh and On/Off switch at most for Random Tripping. Can't believe it took four pages for someone to say that.
Adventure Mode: I'm the only person who dislikes Melee's and Brawl's, right? Here's the thing: I'm playing a fighting game, not "Attempt to have a cheesy plotline" And I've stated in another thread my extreme distaste for Brawl's SSE. 64 I feel got the kind of similar feel right. That with Event Match on a much bigger scale would be easier than a mode that most will only play through once.
Online: Anyone who said "Improve it to living hell until it can't be improved anymore" And "Add leaderboards" Gets a cookie from me. I'm starting to think someone should send a huge letter on what should be improved or something like that to get there attention. I mean, let's face it. For Replayability, one of the main things that beats all is having a more "Stable" Online.
Stage Builder/Stages: There isn't much of a discussion on this, but improving on Stage Builder would be nice. I've already played online some with Stage Builder due to codes, so It'd be nice to implement Stage Builder on "With Friends"; Bringing back all the stages would be a nice touch as well. For new stages, three words: Paper. Mario. TTYD.
Music: Smash remixes can be good as long as they're not overdone. There's your proof. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lep3BQxrg6o)
There; That's enough for today.
Quote from: tollhouse2006 on August 21, 2009, 07:26:40 AM
-Of course more characters. since we lost five and got 15 we pretty much increased the roster by 10. I think 50 characters minimum. Only Newcomers that deserve to be in this time. No side party characters like Waluigi. More villians and female combatents. All franchises should be well represented.
-Bring back the unlucky characters. I disagree with Young Link though. Toon Link is basically our Young Link now.
-Adjust movesets so they are more diversed. (Luigi, Falco, Pichu, Dr. Mario, Lucas, etc are fine. Fox and Falco both use guns and reflectors in their games, makes sense they are similar. same goes for the others i mentioned. Characters like Ganondorf, Pichu, and Toon Link need new moves.
-Sakurai owes Falco, Wolf, Lucas, Toon Link and the next newcomers final smashes that are actually well thought out and aren't the same thing as
We don't need Falco or Toon Link
-For crying out loud, change Ganondorf. Make his use his sword and his fists. Ganondorf is not Falcon's dad. Making a new Ganondorf move set is easy.
-Stop taking away stages. And no more stupid stages. Not another rumble falls type stage or anything stupid like 75m. Bring all the stages from melee and smash 64 back and dont change them. That windmill issue at pkmn stadium is annoying.
It gives more elements to the game. You tourneyfags like flat stages, why can't you just stick with your Final Destination?
-Make the characters well balanced. Test how they're like with everyone else. Make Falcon stronger and MK less powerful.
-Eliminate tripping. Make chain grabs impossible to do. Eliminate locks as well.
No, make a switch asking if it should be on or not.
-Lose the pointless modes such as Masterpieces, Rotation, that list of games, challenges (let us figure stuff out), we could've had a couple of characters in to replace that wasted space.
-Focus all attention to multiplayer. Unlike single mode it's not repetitive.
I can vouch for the other way around.
-No subspace this time, it was nice but we'd rather have more characters.
-Keep classic. Bring back 20 minute adventure. Give us more hearts in all-star. No boss mode. Eliminate 15 minute brawl. That's not fun at all and no one has ever liked it. Give all characters their own target smash level.
More hearts? Like Jr said, what do you suck or something? Also, moar board the platforms.
-Can there actually be cool pkmn in smash 4? no stuffed animals please. pkmn battles arent fun anymore. and if moltres is in it put zapdos and articuno in too.
If you mean from the Pokeballs, then yes. Those birds can't be playable.
-Do all the assist trophies have to be either useless or cheap. I thought they were supposed to assist not to do all the work so the user can just sit back and watch.
-For items try to make them require more skill to use.
- stage builder is fine but we need more backgrounds and pieces. perhapes water, breakable blocks, lava, something interesting like that.
-allow us to see our random character before the match begins. give good alternate costumes to characters. link-zora armor,
Isn't that the point of a random character? To test your skills?
-make the replay time limit enough for any match that's over 3 minutes which is 90% of the time.
-stickers are stupid. put more trophies. coin launcher is okay but there are better ideas for obtaining trophies.
- no opera theme for the game. brawls theme is horrible. plus for music dont waste space and put stupid tracks like wii menu or anything that sounds like we're in an elevator. music was a bit overdone in brawl.
-And finally improve the quality on online play.
Good luck with that. We'll still have friend codes, so it will definitely be poop. I at least want a friends list option if I like who I'm playing with online.
There, the perfect smash.
They NEED to get rid of Tripping.
wtf was Sakurai thinking when he thought about putting that in?
The only mode should be a lot better. Everything everybody mention really should be added.
I know the game is complex and all, but the other systems pull this stuff off with out a hitch. Why can't Nintendo do the same thing?
I would Love more characters. I am greedy, Max the character slot OUT. I don't care if it's over 70+!!
Stage builder was a good concept but it was lacking in a Ton of areas.
No more friend codes.
Add voice (optional of course)
More varieties in team colors (Black, Yellow, Purple, Orange etc etc)
About Clones, I really don't care for them as much, meaning.... If they are in, that's fine...if not, that's also fine.
HTA and Nayr make good points about the clone debate issue, and I agree on both sides of the debate.
The creators are so... Un-creative to the point it's just horrible.
I enjoyed SSE, especially with a friend playing with you.
THOUGH, I think it'd be better if that was also online.
I want to say everything you can do "normally" you should have the option of doing it online.
(nothing is wrong with having an Online Version/Option of the entire game!) - why not?
That's all I could think of, but I'm sure there is more.
Quote from: NOJ_CUSTOM on August 23, 2009, 12:30:28 AM
They should just re-release Melee with a few extra stages and online that works + leaderboards.
Custom knows right. I'd buy 10 copies of this.
To anyone who said "Bring back Board the Platforms" I'm personally curious to see more ideas dwell into that, since it was an essentially easier version of Break the Targets for the most part. One thing that I think could be done is bring those fire objects from the original Bowser's Castle (The things that run in a loop). Another thing is ones where you have to recover in a certain way.
Quote from: Lotos on December 23, 2009, 02:29:04 PM
Toon Link and Falco
To be fair; Most supporting characters to a franchise aren't really "Needed" But just great additions. Falco and Toon Link fall under that for there perspective franchises, so they can stay.
As for Stages; Uh, that's not all they play on. It's rather hypocritical to say "REMOVE 75M" Yet "Bring back most stages" In the same post, but It's not so bad to ask for more of a limit on them.
Quote from: NOA_STAR on December 23, 2009, 07:39:46 PM
I would Love more characters. I am greedy, Max the character slot OUT. I don't care if it's over 70+!!
Characters are great and all, but you have to think about it. Quite a bit of time goes into just adding one character. Then after adding that one character, you have to balance It's moveset. You have to compare the moveset to 38 other characters before the Metagame's developed. Then to top that, you have to Glitch Test, and balance it out in the other modes as well I.E. Free For All, Doubles, etc. There's more to easily go with that. To ask for 70 characters and balance simply won't work.
Quote from: Qsmash on December 23, 2009, 08:55:35 PM
Custom knows right. I'd buy 10 copies of this.
Quote from: Third K on December 23, 2009, 10:35:09 AM
Melee: Or you know guys; Just copy the physics and the stages mainly then improve on the rest from ground up/other smash engines. From a developer's Point of View, re-releasing a game that didn't sell as good as the sequel isn't the best idea for a sequel.
Remake in the potential future? Yes. No questions asked. Passing it off alone (Which is why HTA/Hoss get points for just wanting to do that)? If you find a time machine, get nintendo to make good online, and kill Sakurai before Brawl was came up with, then yeah; It can happen.
ThirdK seems to make the most sense here, or maybe it's just because he types a lot so he seems more logical.
Quote from: JrDude ½ on December 23, 2009, 10:41:27 PM
ThirdK seems to make the most sense here, or maybe it's just because he types a lot so he seems more logical.
I wouldn't really say I'm that logical; I just have a bad habit with tangents. D: + I'm just giving reasoning behind stuff, most other's are just wishlisting. Whether more realistic or not than other wishes is debatable. While wishlisting is great, there's always the "Reality" Fence that kicks in.
But I do think a lot of you have sensible ideas as well; I would really like a Melee remake personally and would buy it day one.
I understand what you mean Third K, but as I said, it's how I would feel.
So for it to go Under "wishful thinking" so be that.
What ever problems or difficulties anybody would have, it can surely be over come.
Quote from: NOA_STAR on December 24, 2009, 12:22:07 AM
I understand what you mean Third K, but as I said, it's how I would feel.
So for it to go Under "wishful thinking" so be that.
What ever problems or difficulties anybody would have, it can surely be over come.
It can be overcome, but that doesn't mean it's easy. Brawl was left with a jackload of glitches and had roughly the same balance as Melee did with It's roster in a bigger time period of working on one and a bigger staff.
Personally, I think better online is the cure to replay value. I'd take better working servers and rooms that allow me to decide what I want to do over a story mode I'll only play once.
Quote from: Third K on January 04, 2010, 08:50:25 AM
Personally, I think better online is the cure to replay value. I'd take better working servers and rooms that allow me to decide what I want to do over a story mode I'll only play once.
QFT
You have no idea how many people I'm sure feels the same way you do.
The main problem I had with Brawl from the get go is that they invested a majority of the development time into the Subspace Emissary mode. That was a complete waste of time. I had a little fun with it, yes, but I don't really think that it was worth in the end considering they could have used that time to add more characters/stages/music, anything really. They probably could have even improved the online modes.
I want Majora's Mask Link.
Mega Man.
No more clones
HEY GUYS WOULDN"T IT BE COOL IF LIKE CLOUD FROM FF7 WAS IN BRAWL!!!! HEHEHE!!! Wait ike is the only pretty boy in that game. So none of that.
No more pokemon.
More Pokémon. In fact, make all of them playable.
Quote from: Zero on January 24, 2010, 09:39:06 AM
The main problem I had with Brawl from the get go is that they invested a majority of the development time into the Subspace Emissary mode. That was a complete waste of time. I had a little fun with it, yes, but I don't really think that it was worth in the end considering they could have used that time to add more characters/stages/music, anything really. They probably could have even improved the online modes.
You just said what I think in a summary. Next time a Smash 4 comes out hopefully someone will be smart enough to have everyone group up and request it since like sonic, if
everyone requests something, it can happen.
Quote from: Tael on January 24, 2010, 12:33:10 PM
More Pokémon. In fact, make all of them playable.
493 characters wouldn't be fun to go through when selecting characters.
493 pokemon characters would turn into "Super Pokemon Smash!" Instead of the crossover it is.
Quote from: Link. on January 24, 2010, 10:30:17 AM
FF7
If anyone from FF is in they're going to have to make it one of the "generic" reoccuring characters assuming they don't like angry mobs.
I want more of the great music and history for the characters. The trophies in Brawl didn't seem to have the same impact the ones in Melee did. A museum sort of thing would be good, as long as you had to fill it up with unlockables. More precise picture taking/filming would be a huge plus too.
Actual game play wise, I want Classic Mega man, Unlockable Titles/Icons like in Street Fighter and Call of Duty, actual online play, Dr.Mario, and Eggplant Wizard. Seems fair enough to me.
I really wish I had found this thread sooner. :|
Quote from: e^ln(Rayquarian) .5 on January 24, 2010, 12:33:10 PM
More Pokémon. In fact, make all of them playable.
Finally! Someone that agrees with me! In all seriousness though, I'd be happy with about 20 Pokémon though. Some that I really want are:
- Scizor (Has a great list of moves that could be used in a Smash Bros. game.)
- The Starters from the other regions for the Pokémon Trainer
- Machamp, Hitmonlee, or Hitmonchan
- Gengar or Sableye
- Nidoking/Nidoqueen (They'd probably be different colors of the same model.)
As for other features for
Smash Bros. "4," here's a list of some that I'd want:
- In short, everything (stages, characters, music, etc.) from all of the previous games in an updated form.
- no glitches
- actually good online
- Keep the clones; I don't care. They should have different movesets, but as long as a good amount of effort is put into making a large majority of the other characters good (and glitch-free)--as well as creating new characters--I'm fine with that.
- Make the story mode less repetitive and a bit easier. Subspace Emissary was okay at best. I liked beating it, but I would really rather not go through it ever again.
- Have up to 8 players at once (at least 6). I don't care what they have to do, I want this. Now, before any of you say that it's unneeded, retarded, won't happen, etc., I think that there's good reason for it. Take a stage like New Pork City, for instance; the stage is so big that the camera zooms out very far a good deal of the time. It may be because of the awkwardness of the stage, but I think it could easily support 6 players at once, let alone 8.
- More options for stage building (including bigger stages and no overlapping for pieces).
- balanced characters
That's all that I can think of right now.
No more random Pokemon. I know you pokemon fans think your favorite pokemon would be an awesome character, but every pokemon that's gotten the the series as been in the games for actual reasons. Pikachu is the mascot, Jiggs was popular at the time of the first games development, the Mewtwo movies were coming out during Melee's development cycle, and the Lucario movie came out during Brawl's development cycle. Pokemon trainer was an idea that Sakurai had since the first game, but didn't know how to approach it.
It's fun to speculate I guess, but don't get your hopes up.
Quote from: Zero on January 30, 2010, 09:40:16 AM
No more random Pokemon. I know you pokemon fans think your favorite pokemon would be an awesome character, but every pokemon that's gotten the the series as been in the games for actual reasons. Pikachu is the mascot, Jiggs was popular at the time of the first games development, the Mewtwo movies were coming out during Melee's development cycle, and the Lucario movie came out during Brawl's development cycle. Pokemon trainer was an idea that Sakurai had since the first game, but didn't know how to approach it.
It's fun to speculate I guess, but don't get your hopes up.
But then in that case, there were never any random Pokémon in Brawl...
Meh, whatever happens, I'll still end up buying it, won't I?
Anyway, personally I want 3rd parties from the likes of Capcom, Square-Enix, and Namco. Obviously Capcom would contribute MegaMan/X. Namco would most likely be Pac-Man, though I would love a Symphonia character. For Square, it should be kind of obvious they would use their mascot - a Moogle. Also, Pac-Man and Moogle already had cameos in Mario games, so it's not far-fetched.
While I'm on characters, I don't think any character should be cut. Every character was put in for a reason, so why should that reason suddenly become invalid. Furthermore, every character has thousands of fans and disappointing them would be oh so tragic. The characters with supposed unfinished data should be added to the game (Dr. Mario, Roy, Mewtwo, Dixie Kong, Toon Zelda/Shiek, Plusle and Minun). With the 3 I mentined earlier, that makes 44 character slots... I guess 50 would be a nice number, depending on whether Random takes a slot or not. That would leave 6 fabulous new characters to add. So battle Krystal vs. Ridley to your heart's content, I guess.
Clones are getting better. I think they would be further "Luigified" in the next game, so things would be alright. Change Falco's Final Smash to Arwing, just because it's common sense. Oh, I do believe Ganondorf should have a complete revamp of moveset, mostly because his current one has no reflection whatsoever on his ingame abilities.
Mechanics wise, I just don't like tripping.
For single-player, I liked the idea the Subspace Emissary presented; if I recall correctly, it was basically a free Kirby game. I just wish there was more uniqueness to each stage... oh, and bosses from Brawl should come back in some form for the next game. Like, really rare, powerful Assists, or something. Maybe not the Subspace original bosses, but the others at least. As for character unlocking, maybe it should be set up the same way Melee had events; in order to proceed, you have to unlock certain characters. I didn't really mind the character unlocking along the way, though. Oh, more events please. They're quite fun.
That's it for now, and probably ever. Better online and stuff like that has been done to death already.
Quote from: Rius on January 30, 2010, 12:35:27 PM
Mechanics wise, I just don't like tripping.
Brawl +
Hmm, most stuff is unanimously wanted, but I'll list my wants anyway:
-Better stage creator, preferably with more natural elements like water and lava
-Not gonna list every stage I want, but Mario needs more generic classic areas, like Bowser's Castle, while Pokemon needs the opposite route and get more actual locations, like a Pokemon Center or Victory Road
-Not gonna list every character I want, but I'd like Square Enix to get a rep (hopefully Sora!), and I'd like them to add the characters that should have already been in anyway like Ridley, Krystal, and Ray 01
-Clones... yeah, about them... seeing as how much people have gotten used to them, I wouldn't mind Ganondorf, Falco, Wolf, and Lucas to remain clones; HOWEVER, I don't want anymore clones, and I wouldn't mind the already existent clones to slowly be luigified out of clonedom
-Please fix online; live chat would be cool, friending by asking after a battle instead of trading codes would help a lot (or at least have the "Rival" option like in MP Hunters), and I definitely wouldn't mind Nintendo improving their servers or whatever it is so that the screen doesn't freeze every few fights
-For story mode, take Melee's setting (go to real Nintendo places with real Nintendo enemies) and Brawl's concept (literal STORY mode that tells enough with out literally saying anything; it would be awkward if Samus and Ike were talking while Mario and Link were as silent as ROB)
-Keep music the same; a mix of awesome originals and re orchestrations while letting us choose which ones we listen to
Pretty much you guys said what i was going to say.
X_X;
Quote from: Dontimpersonateadminskthx on January 30, 2010, 11:20:30 AM
But then in that case, there were never any random Pokémon in Brawl...
I meant "no more suggesting random pokemon in brawl". My bad entirely.
But you know, whatever. Suggestions are suggestions. Have at it.
How about instead of suggesting random pokemon as playable characters we suggest as Pokeballs?
No hurt in any random pokemon as that. WINGULL FOR brawl SMASH 4 POKEMON'
Unless gen 6 has already come out by Smash 4, I have a feeling this Zoroak guy will be the replacement for Lucario/Mewtwo.
JrDude, terrible logic.
Zoroak is only the first announced Pokemon, and likely doesn't have much to do with the plot itself.
Pikachu is a mascot.
Jigglypuff was huge in popularity and stays for classic reasons.
Mewtwo was the top Pokemon when SSB came out, the highest legendary, and main focus of the movies, took the boot for lack of relevancy.
Pichu was also huge in popularity, and a mini-mascot of sorts, took the boot for lack of relevancy.
Pokemon Trainer was something long overdue.
Lucario is hugely popular as well, but also considered* to be a legendary by most, and was a movies focus.
If any other Pokemon get in, it'll be Cutesy Pokemon with a huge fan base, or the focus of a movie/bipedal legendary.
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As a side note: GARDEVOIR HAS A 98 PERCENT CHANCE OF GETTING IN BRAWL, SHES SO POPULAR AND IS THE BEST!!!
>olololshesinapokeball
Quote from: Riddler on March 02, 2010, 04:13:39 PM
If any other Pokemon get in, it'll be Cutesy Pokemon with a huge fan base, or the focus of a movie/bipedal legendary.
Like Zoroark?
Quote from: Cornwad on March 02, 2010, 04:17:30 PM
Like Zoroark?
Zoroark is the main focus of the movie?
Then intercourse me, I guess I was wrong.
Quote from: Riddler on March 02, 2010, 04:23:40 PM
Zoroark is the main focus of the movie?
Then intercourse me, I guess I was wrong.
I did a search for that particular name.... I couldn't find anything. :P
As already said, he IS the main focus of a movie
http://serebii.net/movies/celebi/
Check the name, Phantom Champion Zoroak
Quote from: JrDude ♦ on March 02, 2010, 04:38:56 PM
As already said, he IS the main focus of a movie
http://serebii.net/movies/celebi/
Check the name, Phantom Champion Zoroak
derp lrn2red
This movie is also set to feature the new Pokémon Zorua & Zoroark. Details into their involvement in the movie are yet not known.
Still, the title is about him. BUT: Manaphy, Celebi, Unown, Deoxys, Mew, Arceus, and Darkrai all have been main focuses.
Zoroark doesn't feel like he'll have enough relevancy.
Speaking of pokemon....
Umbreon? ;_;
Hey a guy can dream...
Quote from: Nayrman on March 02, 2010, 05:03:28 PM
Speaking of pokemon....
Umbreon? ;_;
Hey a guy can dream...
Uses Moonlight and recovers a character's health by a half.
Quote from: AuraChannelerChris on March 02, 2010, 05:05:36 PM
Uses Moonlight and recovers a character's health by a half.
I mean playable...
I have a feeling that Pokemon will be like the Mario series was in Brawl. If anything, they'll take a character away.
Quote from: Riddler on March 02, 2010, 04:42:39 PM
derp lrn2red
This movie is also set to feature the new Pokémon Zorua & Zoroark. Details into their involvement in the movie are yet not known.
Still, the title is about him. BUT: Manaphy, Celebi, Unown, Deoxys, Mew, Arceus, and Darkrai all have been main focuses.
Zoroark doesn't feel like he'll have enough relevancy.
I did read, which is why I said "As already said"
And the reason I think he will be in the next one is because he was made like Lucario, cool looking and a main focus of a movie, he is also currently part of the newest generation, which is why I noted if gen 6 didn't exist by the time SSB4 comes around, and yes those were the main focuses of movies, but none of them seemed worthy of fighting in SSB IMO (except Deoxys, but Lucario was more popular), and Zoruark looks like he could fit in quite nicely.
Some final smashes could be improved.
Quote from: JrDude ♦ on March 02, 2010, 06:44:26 PM
I did read, which is why I said "As already said"
And the reason I think he will be in the next one is because he was made like Lucario, cool looking and a main focus of a movie, he is also currently part of the newest generation, which is why I noted if gen 6 didn't exist by the time SSB4 comes around, and yes those were the main focuses of movies, but none of them seemed worthy of fighting in SSB IMO (except Deoxys, but Lucario was more popular), and Zoruark looks like he could fit in quite nicely.
It's just too soon to tell, with so little information.
Quote from: AuraChannelerChris on March 02, 2010, 06:11:42 PM
Oh...
Keep dreaming, then.
;_; ;_;;_; ;_;;_; ;_;;_; ;_;;_; ;_;;_; ;_;;_; ;_;;_; ;_;
Bah to you! (goes back to making an Umbreon moveset that would work well in Smash Bros.)
I seem to have posted in this topic last year or so, but I have a couple of new ideas. Yeah.
If they keep the Final Smash thing, I think they should expand it to include multiple FSes per character, or maybe just change how it works/is activated or something. I'll be honest when I say playing TvC inspired this idea.
An option to change frequencies of certain Pokemon/ATs would be kinda interesting. Obviously, this would exclude the Pokemon that give you free stuff.
Quote from: X-3 on March 02, 2010, 10:31:44 PM
If they keep the Final Smash thing, I think they should expand it to include multiple FSes per character, or maybe just change how it works/is activated or something. I'll be honest when I say playing TvC inspired this idea.
I kinda agree, something like, everyone has an attack FS and an upgrade FS. EX: Mario's current FS is an attack FS, while Wario's is an upgrade FS.
IDK, just an idea.
It would be hard to decide which move you want to use though. The best way I can think of to do it would be to choose your Final Smash beforehand, like Ultras.
Quote from: Cornwad on March 03, 2010, 04:51:30 AM
It would be hard to decide which move you want to use though. The best way I can think of to do it would be to choose your Final Smash beforehand, like Ultras.
Ok, I just thought of a way that might or might not work.
The FS could improve like a Tier system. They could have ranks in the characters you play so you can get a different and more effective FS each time you level up in that character. You know in CoD where they have the Ranking system and you unlock a certain weapon when you reach that rank online? Something like that.
@pokemon representation:
As far as I know, people have found out that mewtwo was actually pretty darn close in the development phases. The fact that he was also planned for Smash 64 makes me think they may extend it up to 5 slots; Considering we already technically have six with PT around it's not that big of a breach. The new 5th gen pokemon was already a given, it's just who will it be. The real question is what will happen to Lucario but being how darn popular he is I'm sure they'd at least acknowledge him as a pokeball.
@multiple FS's:
I'm actually against that. I'd prefer more of a balance on the FS's we already have even If they're suppose to be not all that balanced and more game changing. I don't see what it'd really do in the long run.
An amazing ost. Also Ryu over Megaman (I like both though)
Quote from: CommanderFlint on March 07, 2010, 01:04:48 PM
An amazing ost. Also Ryu over Megaman (I like both though)
Oh my... it's Commander Flint...
I KNOW I KNOW you, but I can't remember....... all I know is that your some kind of awesome...
I don't want a SSB4.
Quote from: Dark Link on March 07, 2010, 03:33:40 PM
I don't want a SSB4.
Why not?
Wait, you play Super smash bros?
0_O
I would like an AC Brawler. That would be epic. :u
Quote from: StarWindWizard7 on March 07, 2010, 05:55:20 PM
Why not?
Wait, you play Super smash bros?
0_O
Have played it, don't like it outside of the soundtrack, would prefer if Nintendo would focus on delivering Zelda games, new franchises, and generally making the Wii not suck.
Quote from: Dark Link on March 07, 2010, 08:00:35 PM
Have played it, don't like it outside of the soundtrack, would prefer if Nintendo would focus on delivering Zelda games, new franchises, and generally making the Wii not suck.
So in other words:
You don't want a smash 4 on the wii.
Which is absolutely fine. I agree with you; I'd rather see some new IP's on the wii.
Quote from: Dark Link on March 07, 2010, 08:00:35 PM
Have played it, don't like it outside of the soundtrack, would prefer if Nintendo would focus on delivering Zelda games, new franchises, and generally making the Wii not suck.
I've gotta say "this." I definitely want "
SSB4," but I'd rather Nintendo work on it slowly and steadily and take their time. They should include everything and take gamers' feedback into consideration. I'm sure that most people would rather wait a year or 3 longer for a great game than play a good game--that didn't have as much effort put into it--that was released earlier.
Quote from: Third K on March 09, 2010, 12:59:15 PM
So in other words:
You don't want a smash 4 on the wii.
Which is absolutely fine. I agree with you; I'd rather see some new IP's on the wii.
What's an IP, anyway?
Intellectual Property I believe.
and if that doesn't hint towards what it is I'll be a little more specific. IP is another term used for franchises that the actual companies in the game industry use. Gears of War is an IP. Mario is an IP. Fable is an IP. Final Fantasy is an IP. So on and so on and yeah you get it, its great.
Well let's see...
CLASSIC MARIO!!!!111!1!11!2
Oh and Mr. Namco =P
Quote from: Ninten on March 15, 2010, 11:28:13 AM
CLASSIC MARIO!!!!111!1!11!2
Wait, why?
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Oh and Mr. Namco =P
...Wait...Who?
Also now less "If It should happen" since we know it probably won't happen on the wii and more future smash discussion now.
He made a retarded character with Namco character moves and thinks it has a shot.
Quote from: JrDude ♦ on March 17, 2010, 07:40:09 PM
He made a retarded character with Namco character moves and thinks it has a shot.
Uh...what? That's ridiculous.
Quote from: JrDude ♦ on March 17, 2010, 07:40:09 PM
He made a retarded character with Namco character moves and thinks it has a shot.
...
That would never happen. He might as well get his head out of imagination land; If anything's to even happen from Namco it'd probably be Pacman (Or hell, Lloyd)
Speaking of third-parties, since as a huge Square-Enix fan I've been thinking on it lately and think this would be one of the most logical choices, hell, possibly even the most logical for SE.
(http://images1.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20080309044554/finalfantasy/images/7/78/FFIX-Moogle_Concept.jpg)
A Moogle? Yeah I could see that.
Quote from: Zero on March 19, 2010, 02:08:28 PM
A Moogle? Yeah I could see that.
And it's Mog, Eiko's moogle. It makes it much better.
Quote from: AuraChannelerChris on March 19, 2010, 03:15:59 PM
And it's Mog, Eiko's moogle. It makes it much better.
Oh snap I just realized that.
Actually I just whipped up a random moogle picture but I think it should be something like Mog from FFVI, but just call it "Moogle" And have different costumes for it like the one up above
...Or just go with Mog for the name. Hearing the announcer say Mog sounds much cooler than Moogle.
Gah, I wouldn't want a Moogle; I'd just as soon have no FF reps at all than get one of those things in SSB.
Heh, I remember Mr. Namco; I made an awesome moveset for him:
Standard Special: Soul Caliber: Mr. Namco pulls out the Soul Caliber and does a powerful slash attack to send opponents flying!
Side Special: Time Crisis: Takes out dual pistols and does six quick but strong shots.
Up Special: Galaga: A star fighter from Galaga comes and lifts Mr. Namco into the air, shooting all along the way. You can tilt the control stick to steer in mid-flight.
Down Special: Tekken: Does an extremely powerful high kick.
Final Smash: Pacman: Mr. Namco turns into Pacman, and all opponents turn into blue ghosts! Try to eat them within 7 seconds for instant KOs!
Quote from: SmashBro25 on March 22, 2010, 07:30:44 PM
Gah, I wouldn't want a Moogle; I'd just as soon have no FF reps at all than get one of those things in SSB.
Question: Have you ever played FFVI/6/III on the snes just to start with?
Other question: ...Why? The only thing I see you can find appalling is the voice honestly. I'd much rather go for something that works for most of the fanbase than just one centered protagonist.
Well he'd probably rather have an actual character from the franchise.
Quote from: Zero on March 22, 2010, 08:37:38 PM
Well he'd probably rather have an actual character from the franchise.
By "Actual Character" You mean "Main Character" Right? Because It's just not as easy as say Fire Emblem where Marth and Ike have a higher footing than everyone else with more games, more known, etc.
On the other hand with FF Cloud (The obvious considered "Main" Icon of MC's) only got a Cameo and 3 of the nintendo FF games were mostly just known in Japan. So It'd come down to a random generic class, Terra, or Cecil. For this case it seems more preferable to go with someone who is an icon to the entire series and still being playable in one/some so it isn't a complete "wtf".
I still don't see why a character has to be on a Nintendo system for it to be considered possible for it to be featured in the game. Sony or any other Nintendo competitor doesn't own ANY rights to Cloud or anything Final Fantasy related to my knowledge. Yeah Sakurai once said that any third party character that'd make it into the game would have to have been on a Nintendo console, but that isn't set in stone.
Like Zero said, I'd just rather have a main character than a side character; if I could only have one, I'd want Mario or Kirby, not Toad or Waddle Dee. As to the issue of every game having different protagonists, Cloud would be the obvious choice. Or, if they wanted to please one fanbase and annoy another, they could always just make a deal with Disney and throw in Sora. :)
And technically, Cloud has been on a Nintendo console: as a minor character/summon in Kingdom Hearts: Chain of Memories. ;)
Quote from: SmashBro25 on March 23, 2010, 03:57:52 PM
And technically, Cloud has been on a Nintendo console: as a minor character/summon in Kingdom Hearts: Chain of Memories. ;)
That's what TK meant by "Cameo"
Quote from: Zero on March 23, 2010, 02:43:11 PM
Yeah Sakurai once said that any third party character that'd make it into the game would have to have been on a Nintendo console, but that isn't set in stone.
Then again, we have to consider this; Why would Sakurai change anyways? While It's not set in stone mainly due to how quickly he changes his mind about some things he
did say it. He hardly shows any interest himself into having Third-Party characters based from interviews. They have other iconic characters; Granted those ones are mostly really limited to job classes but they can still work. If we didn't want to go with a Moogle completely, there's Chocobo's (Which have been playable/main protagonist in multiple spin-offs and obviously iconic, but this would have more "wut" than moogle) And Classes (Like Black Mage; FF1, FF3, FF5, FF9, And pretty much almost every other game in the series to it's own merits. Not the main character in 9 but you get the idea with that example)
As a huge fan of the series I think it'd just be awkward to throw in Cloud. Not just for the fact of his lack of Nintendo contributes but more for the fact the series has spun such a wide variety of games. Just think of this: With Fire Emblem Marth and Ike are the obvious choices due to there amount of appearances and the fact the series isn't known much anyways. On the other hand with FF It's spawned an insane amount of spin-offs and games on Nintendo with enough credibility to have a hard time picking a character just out of that pool. Anyone not thinking that is as blind as a bat.
Though Cloud would be one of the better hype tools from Square-Enix. I'll give him that.
Quote from: SmashBro25 on March 23, 2010, 03:57:52 PMOr, if they wanted to please one fanbase and annoy another, they could always just make a deal with Disney and throw in Sora.
Doubt that with Dragon Quest and Final Fantasy running around especially the whole part "License with Disney". However KH Is probably next in line after those two If those were to be ignored for some obscure reason.
LOL
I never said Mr. Namco had a shot. infact, i admitted quite the oppisite MANY times. (I do, however, find it still a good idea.)
OH, and you know what should be an Item... A MASTER BALL!!!!!
You throw it at people and catch them, then you can throw them off the ledge. (Of course, counter to cannon, you CAN escape from it, otherwise it would be WAY to cheap.)
Quote from: Barbaloot (AKA Shu) on April 03, 2010, 02:11:22 PM
LOL
I never said Mr. Namco had a shot. infact, i admitted quite the oppisite MANY times. (I do, however, find it still a good idea.)
OH, and you know what should be an Item... A MASTER BALL!!!!!
You throw it at people and catch them, then you can throw them off the ledge. (Of course, counter to cannon, you CAN escape from it, otherwise it would be WAY to cheap.)
You often did think Mr. Namco had a shot, in fact you used to rage whenever I pointed out he had 0% chance to make it in the game.
And your version of the Master Ball would make no sense if you could escape.
Quote from: JrDude ♥ on April 03, 2010, 04:55:50 PM
And your version of the Master Ball would make no sense if you could escape.
Yeah... that is a problem.
Ultra-ball then?
That would be cool.
Ultra Ball, regular ball, and whatever the other one that wasn't master was?
Sounds good to me.
Also thread bump. Why? Because I said so.
it would be nice if:
they enabled nicknames on basic online
they used room to put in more playable characters instead of making a huge stroy mode or that masterpiece
made gameplay faster
made more neutral stages
Quote from: Thirdkoopa on March 24, 2010, 04:22:08 AM
Not just for the fact of his lack of Nintendo contributes but more for the fact the series has spun such a wide variety of games.
BUT CLOUD WUZ IN KINGDAM HEARTS ON DA GAMEBOY ADVANCED.
^lol.
i don't think there will be another 3rd party in the next one regardless whether sonic & snake stay. it was probably just a one-time thing.
Quote from: Riddler on June 05, 2010, 07:23:19 AM
BUT CLOUD WUZ IN KINGDAM HEARTS ON DA GAMEBOY ADVANCED.
^lol.
-_- That isn't an argument as to why he should be in, it just means that technically he can be in.
Faster paced gameplay, Playable online, and no tripping.
It would be nice if Third Party characters returned too.
[spoiler]but none from Square-Enix[/spoiler]