Discussion on evolutions or pre-evolutions of Pokemon from past generations is to be posted within this thread.
Eeveelutions! :D I love's my Eeveelutions.
Wispeon, Ghost Type: A pure white Eeveelution with Black eyes. It'd have a big, fluttery mane and fluttery hair on it's ears. A slight mist could seep from it's body. It'd evolve in a cemetery area like Leafeon and Glaceon in certain areas. It'd become a ghost type to match the surrounding and speak with spirits, but it'd be a kind and generally gentle ghost unlike nearly every other ghost that are mean or mischievous.
Toxeon, Poison Type: A dark purple Eeveelution with matted mane, ears, and tail. It's hair would be long but of wildly varying lengths. It could have black spots on it's back to shoot the poison out or to seep it out. It could evolve in a smelly, toxic marsh like area.
Obviously, designs aren't final if we'd like to discuss it some. :D
Quote from: Nayrman on April 26, 2011, 06:17:43 PM
Eeveelutions! :D I love's my Eeveelutions.
Wispeon, Ghost Type: A pure white Eeveelution with Black eyes. It'd have a big, fluttery mane and fluttery hair on it's ears. A slight mist could seep from it's body. It'd evolve in a cemetery area like Leafeon and Glaceon in certain areas. It'd become a ghost type to match the surrounding and speak with spirits, but it'd be a kind and generally gentle ghost unlike nearly every other ghost that are mean or mischievous.
Toxeon, Poison Type: A dark purple Eeveelution with matted mane, ears, and tail. It's hair would be long but of wildly varying lengths. It could have black spots on it's back to shoot the poison out or to seep it out. It could evolve in a smelly, toxic marsh like area.
Obviously, designs aren't final if we'd like to discuss it some. :D
dfsgdfshgdaf I already designed Eeveelutions, Poison and Bug. Why not leave it at two for now?
We tend to get them in 2's, so that thought is fine by me.
The ghost idea was widely frowned upon. So most likely we'll be sticking with Poison and Bug.
Rock, Ground, Flying should all come before anything.
Technically Dragon should come before anything since all 7 other Eevee's are based on Special Types.
I don't understand why those particular types should come before anything. Makes no sense imo.
I'm fine with bug, but I really liked the ghost idea. Why was it frowned upon? Ghost IS the least used type if I remember correctly. But I'm fine with Bug if we use that instead.
Quote from: Riddler_Robin on April 26, 2011, 06:48:49 PM
Rock, Ground, Flying should all come before anything.
Technically Dragon should come before anything since all 7 other Eevee's are based on Special Types.
It's not up to you. Me and Nayr both agreed on these two, and I already designed them. Flying would be too different, since it would require wings to be truly flying, which is just strange.
Maybe drop Bug (Eevee will never be a bug) in favor of Rock or Steel? I already made a prototype design for Steel, which is why I suggested it.
I think Bug is a good compromise in terms of what it covers and how unique it would be.
Quote from: Kondor on April 26, 2011, 06:57:01 PM
It's not up to you. Me and Nayr both agreed on these two, and I already designed them. Flying would be too different, since it would require wings to be truly flying, which is just strange.
Maybe drop Bug (Eevee will never be a bug) in favor of Rock or Steel? I already made a prototype design for Steel, which is why I suggested it.
Did I say it was up to me? And because two people agree on it and you drew them, they're set in stone? Interesting how hypocritical you are.
Jrdude: My reasoning for why they'd go before anything is they're basic types to me. Bug, Poison, and Ghost are more specific. I'm not sure if I'm explaining it right, but when you think of Elements in regards to anything else you think Water, Fire, Lightning, Wind, Earth, Wind, and stuff like that.
Just makes more sense to me to have Rock or Ground (preferably ground), and Flying. Earth and Wind. You've already got all of the other ones.
inb4 dark/psychic argument to which i don't give a poop.
I can accept Poison. Bug seems to odd. Flying would be my top choice, as a pure flying type. It's ears could be it's wings, and look similar to Vaporeons FIN ears.
Yes. We never really discussed Eeveelutions.
Sure they were mentioned, but they caused arguments.
We should discuss them TOGETHER rather than team up and decide without a bunch of people even knowing.
Except there is no argument against Bug except for the fact that it's "to odd". But it sort of is, making a fox into a bug.
If we don't do bug, I really would put Steel over flying. I'm not seeing the whole "flying fox" thing as an evolution of Eevee. I think it would make more sense if we kept them all on the ground.
Honestly, turning a Fox into anything that is has been turned into would be weird.
You just have to be creative. You don't necessarily have to make Eevee a bug, just give it like, Flygon eyes (which look like bug eyes), and maybe other bug features. But usually, the only thing they signified with the type it was is the color. (Jolteon, Vaporeon, and Leafeon had features that hinted to it's type as well, but the rest, they basically just made a fox-like creature with different features than one another, then changed it's color to match it's type).
I'm not saying make it bug, but I'm saying it's possible if you just put your mind to it.
Quote from: JrDude 益 on April 26, 2011, 09:47:54 PM
Honestly, turning a Fox into anything that is has been turned into would be weird.
You just have to be creative. You don't necessarily have to make Eevee a bug, just give it like, Flygon eyes (which look like bug eyes), and maybe other bug features. But usually, the only thing they signified with the type it was is the color. (Jolteon, Vaporeon, and Leafeon had features that hinted to it's type as well, but the rest, they basically just made a fox-like creature with different features than one another, then changed it's color to match it's type).
I'm not saying make it bug, but I'm saying it's possible if you just put your mind to it.
Beyond eyes, it could also develop something of a shell (think beetle), wings, etc. I don't think it's that challenging to create something of the sort.
The thing I was thinking of was making it more like a stick/leaf-bug thing, in that it's very frail looking.
Whoa why do you guys prefer the bug evo idea? Ghost just makes more sense, the bug typing is interesting yeah, but Eevee evolving into a bug is lol worthy, despite an Eevee probably being capable of doing it seeing as that thing can evolve like mad.
Hell I'd prefer a Rock or Steel Eevee over Bug.
No one mentioned Fight. With the new trio of gen 5, we can make an Eevee Fighting type without making it stand on 2 legs.
Though I do like the ghost idea. Even poison could look pretty sweet.
But... I think Fly + Ground might be a cool idea. You know, opposites? Also that element thing Rob mentioned. Mainly for opposite's sake for me though.
The thing to note pattern wise is that one always had the type advantage over the other.
Dark > Psychic
Ice > Grass
If we wanted to follow that, there are still options.
Having a Bug and a Poison will not continue the trend.
If you want to continue the trend, your options are:
Rock > Steel
Poison > Ground
Steel > Fighting
and I suppose to a lesser extent, Ground > Flying or Poison > Steel, given the immunities.
Ghost and Dragon would probably happen together if that's not coincidental, as they aren't super effective against anything, or weak to anything, that hasn't been used yet, besides themselves.
But if we want that, we can do:
[spoiler=All possibilities (Excluding Normal + Types already done)]
(The type on the right is super effective against the one on the left)
Rock + Fight
Steel + Fight
Fight + Fly
Bug + Fly
Poison + Ground
Rock + Ground
Steel + Ground
Fly + Rock
Bug + Rock
Rock + Steel
(Rock = 5, Fight = 3, Steel = 3, Fly = 3, Ground = 3, Bug = 2, Poison = 1, Ghost = 0, Dragon = 0, Total = 10 possibilities)
[/spoiler]
For what it's worth, Dragon is the only "Special" typing not used on an Eevee yet. Everything else is considered Physical. Or was pre-gen5 anyway.
Quote from: Macawmoses on April 27, 2011, 12:23:13 AM
The thing to note pattern wise is that one always had the type advantage over the other.
Dark > Psychic
Ice > Grass
If we wanted to follow that, there are still options.
Except following that trend seriously limits us. And who's to say it was intentional? Espeon and Umbreon represent light/dark, or morning/night, or sun/moon. The type most fitting for "light" is Psychic, really. I don't think they purposely made it so one new Eeveelution has an advantage over the other.
In Gen IV, we had Grass. I can't see why they didn't do this in Gen I, or some other previous gen. Up until Gen IV's release in 2007, I always thought Grass seemed left out of the Eeveelution pattern. Why also Ice? Maybe the elemental thing? Not to mention Grass has a whopping five weaknesses, only one of which had been done at the time. All I'm saying is, we can't overlook the fact that it might only be coincidence the way the types have matched up.
When I look at Poison, I think it's a pretty poor type. It has only two weaknesses and an okay four resistances. But Poison only beats one other type: Grass, which is already beaten by four more types. I guess it's similar to Dragon, even though Dragon Pokémon have nearly always had more moves they could learn, with many of them being able to use all elemental moves like Surf, Flamethrower, etc.
However I have reasons for wanting to do Poison. Based on the design I have, it's radically different from the other Eeveelutions, but still similar enough. My design has given it a gloomy, sad expression, which sets it apart from the others but doesn't seem too abnormal. Also out of all the types, for whatever reason I doubt GameFreak will give us a Poison Eeveelution... what do I think we'll get? Rock or Ground. They make sense, as far as the "elements" idea, as I believe someone said, but that's why GameFreak is more likely to do them. I was hoping we could make Eeveelutions that would remain different from the real ones for a while, and if we get through Generation 6 without them, they'll last until (God forbid) they make an 8th generation.
That being said, I'm strongly supportive of the
Poison/Steel idea... very strongly. Like Zero said, one still has an advantage other the other if you really want to go this route. What do you guys think?
Yeah Poison and Steel sound good to me, but at the end of the day Bug and Ghost work too. I was more or less just interested as to why everyone seemed to be favoring the bug type idea.
If you end up going with the Bug idea and decide to draw it or something, for the love of all that is Pokemon try to avoid giving it compound eyes, lol.
Quote from: Zero on April 27, 2011, 03:44:22 PM
Yeah Poison and Steel sound good to me, but at the end of the day Bug and Ghost work too. I was more or less just interested as to why everyone seemed to be favoring the bug type idea.
If you end up going with the Bug idea and decide to draw it or something, for the love of all that is Pokemon try to avoid giving it compound eyes, lol.
Poison and Steel appear to be my favorites. However I might (MIGHT) draw a Bug eeveelution (a more complete sketch) but I'll probably hate it. And I'd already planned its eyes to be red. Red and somewhat angry. Or maybe yellow.
I should point out that you said "appear to be my favourites". That sentence is illogical unless you don't know what your favourites are. Thus, I'm convinced that's an attempt (yet again) to force your own agenda...
Given the implication of "appear to be THE favourites", I'm just going to call bullpoop right now. Just a warning to everyone to watch that post.
And don't bother responding to this.
The more I think about/sketch ideas for Poison and Steel, the more I like them. I'm leaning towards them as a personal opinion, and I don't see anyone who has a problem with it so far.
One person not objecting (Zero) hardly qualifies as broadly accepted.
Flying Eevee - White or Sky Blue with wings for ears. Vaporeon has Fins for ears so this isn't a stretch. It can have wings coming from it's ankles too, like Hermes Sandles. If it needs a tuft of fur, make it soft and cloudy looking.
Needs to come in twos?
Strong to Bug, Fighting
or Weak to Rock.
Any of these would be acceptable.
Edit: A friend of mine sketched a Flying Eevee for me. I like it, alot.
[spoiler](http://i54.tinypic.com/9rjd4l.jpg)[/spoiler]
She's also open to suggestions.
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Off the topic of Eevees.
Farfetch'd.
Larger duck, mischevious looking. It's brow is still there, but thicker. The LEEK is now either a full sized Onion-Club, or has been sharpened into something of a sword. Larger wings, more of a slender body.
On Eevee topic, I'm pretty sure it's not coincidence that each Eeveelution had the color of the type it was (Excluding shiny)
Even Eevee itself had some of the Normal color in it (The fur collar thing and the tip of the tail)
So if we had a Fly Eevee, it should be at least partially light violet, or maybe just violet, similar to the color Flying is on this (http://archives.bulbagarden.net/media/upload/7/73/FlyingIC.gif)
Maybe along with some sky blue like it used to be like this (http://archives.bulbagarden.net/media/upload/c/cb/FlyingIC_Big.png)
(Grayness can be ignored, or used ultra partially)
Whoa whoa whoa, what is this? Totally throwing out by Poison/steel idea?
Quote from: Kondor on April 28, 2011, 03:14:19 AM
Whoa whoa whoa, what is this? Totally throwing out by Poison/steel idea?
*sigh* No one's throwing anything away. You have to look at concepts and then find someway to agree on which is best.
So what do you all think of the Flying concept?
Oh snap. Rob, I love that sketch.
Should I see if I can get her to join the forum? :3
Edit:
(http://i.imgur.com/0ELWF.png)
I started spriting it. Obviously not finished. I colored it so I could get an idea of how stuff would look. I can't get the ears right. The one on the left is more accurate to the sketch but the one on the right is more accurate logically.
Really neat sketch there, Rob.
How long did it take her?
Quote from: Riddler21 on April 28, 2011, 10:05:58 PM
Should I see if I can get her to join the forum? :3
Go for it.
It's too cyan. It looks Ice by color.
Guess what I worked on will go to waste, huh?
No. Difference is, we have a drawing. We can imagine your ideas all we want, but with an actual drawing, it makes it more "WOAH, that IS a good idea!"
Draw and we'll have better opinions.
Also, with my color idea and Rob's sprites, I have this.
(http://i57.photobucket.com/albums/g211/JrGuy/Pokemon/FlyEeveelution.png)
Quote from: FruitFlow on April 28, 2011, 10:59:24 PM
Really neat sketch there, Rob.
How long did it take her?
Roughly 5 minutes.
Quote from: JrDude 益 on April 29, 2011, 12:06:32 PM
No. Difference is, we have a drawing. We can imagine your ideas all we want, but with an actual drawing, it makes it more "WOAH, that IS a good idea!"
Draw and we'll have better opinions.
Also, with my color idea and Rob's sprites, I have this.
(http://i57.photobucket.com/albums/g211/JrGuy/Pokemon/FlyEeveelution.png)
The only differences that are really noticable to me are the ears, eyes, and outlining of the back cloudthing. But the reason I didn't use your violet idea is, put it next to Vaporeon, Espeon, or Glaceon. I don't remember which but the color was almost identical.
The purple sort of gives off an Espeon appearance.
We'll figure out the coloring and such, but so far this idea is good?
How about a name? First thing to mind is Aereon (Aero).
Acroeon
Hovereon
Aveon
Glideon
Soareon
Wingeon
uhhh
Flyeon
I like the idea. I was calling it Soareon in my head. So, all up for that?
Also, the coloring I used was directly from the Flying thingies, and I'm pretty sure the other Pokémon's colors aren't directly from their type thing. So we can change it a bit if it's liked that way.
Just for comparison's sake.
(http://archives.bulbagarden.net/media/upload/0/07/Spr_5b_196.png)(http://i57.photobucket.com/albums/g211/JrGuy/Pokemon/FlyEeveelution.png)
When looking at them next to each other, they look different enough to me.
Flyeon sounds to close to Flygon. And Glideon sounds a bit awkward since gliding and flying are 2 different things.
Aveon and Soareon sound the best of them all.
I'd like to add in Nimbeon and Galeon as a name also.
Did they change Espeon's color this Gen?
Gen 5 Espeon: (http://archives.bulbagarden.net/media/upload/0/07/Spr_5b_196.png)
Gen 4 Espeon: (http://archives.bulbagarden.net/media/upload/e/e9/Spr_4p_196.png)
My only issue with Galeon is that it'd be pronounced Gal-eon, instead of Gale-eon.
I like Aereon and Aveon, personally. Aveon even sounds like Avian.
JrDude, they do look similar to me.
Quote from: JrDude 益 on April 29, 2011, 12:06:32 PM
No. Difference is, we have a drawing. We can imagine your ideas all we want, but with an actual drawing, it makes it more "WOAH, that IS a good idea!"
Draw and we'll have better opinions.
What?! I did have a drawing. Then again it takes so much effort for my posts to be accepted here. It probably got lost somewhere.
Alright, here you get a different one. (This is Poison.) I didn't exactly get the image in my head on the paper perfectly well (this took under 5 minutes), but here's what I'm going for.
~Body is primarily dark purple (i didn't get to color it.. so imagine the colors.)
~Extra fur around the neck, ankles, and tail is messy and grayish-purple.
~Diamond-shaped ears that appear furrier at the top
~Top of head has some messy looking extra fur that matches the color of most of its body.
~Rather sad expression (Bah, ignore these eyes. I couldn't even decide how to do them as far as the pupils, etc. I didn't even get the expression exactly right.) Haven't decided on whether to make them darker or lighter than the body. If lighter, yellow or red color.
~Extra fur on the ankles- This was last minute and came out like poop on the drawing. But I think there should be more gray fur on the ankles, so they're not quite as plain.
~Fluffy tail- Full like Flareon's, but it doesn't stick up. Rather, it droops to the ground. Maybe the tip will be more of a black color. That's kind of why I shaded it like that.
[spoiler](http://gyazo.com/a6f507e7ffe4ba4f6c9842b778d89b5c.png)[/spoiler]
I might even make the ears longer. Just a little.
Also the Steel design, which was perfect in my mind, is NOT coming out right. I'll wait to post this. I'm adamant about my Poison eeveelution though... We really DON'T have to follow the one-eeveelution-trumps-another pattern... because like I said, it may be sheer coincidence. I explained this already. I really like Poison though... it's so cute <3
Quote from: Kayo on April 29, 2011, 02:06:02 PM
What?! I did have a drawing. Then again it takes so much effort for my posts to be accepted here. It probably got lost somewhere.
Alright, here you get a different one. (This is Poison.) I didn't exactly get the image in my head on the paper perfectly well (this took under 5 minutes), but here's what I'm going for.
~Body is primarily dark purple (i didn't get to color it.. so imagine the colors.)
~Extra fur around the neck, ankles, and tail is messy and grayish-purple.
~Diamond-shaped ears that appear furrier at the top
~Top of head has some messy looking extra fur that matches the color of most of its body.
~Rather sad expression (Bah, ignore these eyes. I couldn't even decide how to do them as far as the pupils, etc. I didn't even get the expression exactly right.) Haven't decided on whether to make them darker or lighter than the body. If lighter, yellow or red color.
~Extra fur on the ankles- This was last minute and came out like poop on the drawing. But I think there should be more gray fur on the ankles, so they're not quite as plain.
~Fluffy tail- Full like Flareon's, but it doesn't stick up. Rather, it droops to the ground. Maybe the tip will be more of a black color. That's kind of why I shaded it like that.
[spoiler](http://gyazo.com/a6f507e7ffe4ba4f6c9842b778d89b5c.png)[/spoiler]
I might even make the ears longer. Just a little.
Also the Steel design, which was perfect in my mind, is NOT coming out right. I'll wait to post this. I'm adamant about my Poison eeveelution though... We really DON'T have to follow the one-eeveelution-trumps-another pattern... because like I said, it may be sheer coincidence. I explained this already. I really like Poison though... it's so cute <3
Looks like Notched Ear Pichu's head on Eevee's body, and sad.
Quote from: Riddler21 on April 29, 2011, 02:15:41 PM
Looks like Notched Ear Pichu's head on Eevee's body, and sad.
The ears aren't notched. I couldn't draw the top halves of the ears furry rushing. It's just kind of a scrib-
That doesn't even look like Notched ear Pichu at all, on second glance. Also the neck fur should be longer. The angle caused me to make it shorter for whatever reason, but it looks too short now. And picture color. Once you have color it looks nothing like Eevee.
Rob, they look more similar to you because you are partially color blind. No one would confuse the pinkish one between Espeon, Vaporeon, and Glaceon based off memory.
(BTW Hero, this is not an insult, if you [or even someone else maybe] didn't know, Rob is partially color-blind. He admits it)
Kaos. If you did, your post was unaccepted by a mod/Hero.
Anyway, that picture is a big no no.
It looks like a depressed Eevee mixed a little with Flareon.
With Eeveelutions, you have to be very creative. You have to make it not look ANYTHING like Eevee, but still have it look related to Eevee. Look at all of the Eeveelutions. None of them look a thing like Eevee, but they all have things that make them look believably related to Eevee (Excluding Flareon, who should remain a one-time exception, as it looks like a bigger, redder Eevee with hair on the head).
It's hard for me to think of Eeveelution things like I said they should look, which is why I don't suggest much stuff about them. But, when I was thinking of Poison Eevee, I was picturing a more, melted look? If that makes sense. Kind of like Toxic goo-looking fur. Not make it look furry at all, but more, liquidy.
Also, Wiki a fox and maybe base it off one of those, then give it some cat/dog characteristics here and there, then make it look poisonous.
Gen 4: (http://archives.bulbagarden.net/media/upload/c/ce/Spr_4d_196.png)(http://archives.bulbagarden.net/media/upload/e/e9/Spr_4p_196.png)(http://archives.bulbagarden.net/media/upload/6/66/Spr_4h_196.png)
D/P - Pt - HG/SS
Gen 5: (http://archives.bulbagarden.net/media/upload/0/07/Spr_5b_196.png)
B/W
They were being indecisive for Espeon color-wise. But in the end, it seems they wanted lighter.
Anyway.
(http://archives.bulbagarden.net/media/upload/3/3e/134.png)(http://archives.bulbagarden.net/media/upload/b/bf/471.png)
Color-wise, they also look similar.
Like I tried to say, we don't have to keep it this color. I do want it to be purpleish, but it could be darker or lighter or something for all I care to make it look less Espeonsih
We can also change the eyes, feet positions, whatever to also change it.
Anyway, everyone up for Fly Eeveelution? And if so, everyone up for this design? (Not counting colors just yet, just design)
(http://i.imgur.com/dsYgF.png)
I did it cause I was bored. Needs better coloring and again I had trouble with the ears.
Quote from: JrDude 益 on April 29, 2011, 03:26:08 PM
Anyway, everyone up for Fly Eeveelution? And if so, everyone up for this design? (Not counting colors just yet, just design)
Which name are we using for it?
Quote from: JrDude 益 on April 29, 2011, 03:26:08 PM
Rob, they look more similar to you because you are partially color blind. No one would confuse the pinkish one between Espeon, Vaporeon, and Glaceon based off memory.
(BTW Hero, this is not an insult, if you [or even someone else maybe] didn't know, Rob is partially color-blind. He admits it)
Kaos. If you did, your post was unaccepted by a mod/Hero.
Anyway, that picture is a big no no.
It looks like a depressed Eevee mixed a little with Flareon.
With Eeveelutions, you have to be very creative. You have to make it not look ANYTHING like Eevee, but still have it look related to Eevee. Look at all of the Eeveelutions. None of them look a thing like Eevee, but they all have things that make them look believably related to Eevee (Excluding Flareon, who should remain a one-time exception, as it looks like a bigger, redder Eevee with hair on the head).
It's hard for me to think of Eeveelution things like I said they should look, which is why I don't suggest much stuff about them. But, when I was thinking of Poison Eevee, I was picturing a more, melted look? If that makes sense. Kind of like Toxic goo-looking fur. Not make it look furry at all, but more, liquidy.
Also, Wiki a fox and maybe base it off one of those, then give it some cat/dog characteristics here and there, then make it look poisonous.
Gen 4: (http://archives.bulbagarden.net/media/upload/c/ce/Spr_4d_196.png)(http://archives.bulbagarden.net/media/upload/e/e9/Spr_4p_196.png)(http://archives.bulbagarden.net/media/upload/6/66/Spr_4h_196.png)
D/P - Pt - HG/SS
Gen 5: (http://archives.bulbagarden.net/media/upload/0/07/Spr_5b_196.png)
B/W
They were being indecisive for Espeon color-wise. But in the end, it seems they wanted lighter.
Anyway.
(http://archives.bulbagarden.net/media/upload/3/3e/134.png)(http://archives.bulbagarden.net/media/upload/b/bf/471.png)
Color-wise, they also look similar.
Like I tried to say, we don't have to keep it this color. I do want it to be purpleish, but it could be darker or lighter or something for all I care to make it look less Espeonsih
We can also change the eyes, feet positions, whatever to also change it.
Anyway, everyone up for Fly Eeveelution? And if so, everyone up for this design? (Not counting colors just yet, just design)
Bah, I'll have to color it myself. No one sees what I'm doing here when it's black and white.. I was going to wait until I colored it, but i decided to be quick to show what I had so far. Espeon is much more toward a shade of pink than the purple I had in mind. Uh.... look at my name. A little darker than the The Rawk color is what I'm aiming for. Also, to be honest, not all Eeveelutions look their type minus the color. Flareon and Jolteon don't. (I can almost see the pointy shapes of its fur being Electric, but then again if I wasn't familiar with it and I only saw it without color it could be anything. Flareon's vaguely flame-shaped head fur is the only thing that looks close to fire, and it's still a stretch if you don't know what you're looking for.) Also, it was a quick sketch. The goal was to make it look dirty and messy. And almost sick-looking, without making it look disease ridden. (Think Weezing. Not in the same way, but there's a similarity in the point of design there as far as expressions.) I'm also trying to keep it "cute," by making Poison as cute as I can. I love the idea though.
Also, I don't really like the Flying design. I see what the creator was aiming for, but it could really use tweaking. For one, the head-wings look really... busy, especially on small pictures like the sprite. I'd lower the amount of detail a bit. You can't tell it from the larger sketch, but it really shows in the sprite. The U-kind of shape of the back angle wings do bother me a bit, too. It's a wing shape, yeah, but a smaller less functional wing in my opinion would look better as a simpler, more feather-like shape. Speaking of details also, the neck fluff looks a tad busy too. I'd make the swirl a bit less of a rotation... don't know how to put this, but maybe if it curled around closer to 180 degrees? Bah, it's impossible to tell without a sketch.
I'm going to take the original sketch and draw up my own, looking mostly similar but with the changes I had in mind, if that's okay. Just you can see what I mean. Also I 110% support Aereon. I even used the name for a concept Flying Eeveelution (that never actually got a design) in a fandex back in around 2006.
Quote from: Riddler21 on April 29, 2011, 03:36:37 PM
(http://i.imgur.com/dsYgF.png)
I did it cause I was bored. Needs better coloring and again I had trouble with the ears.
Better coloring and ears exactly. The "extra fur" areas should be darker than the body (I'm thinking a dark gray with a hint of purple) instead of a lighter, almost lavender color you have there. Likewise the body itself should be a bit darker.
It also doesn't look messy and shaggy enough, (Believe me, it's tough... I tried doing this in a sprite and it was difficult, but it can't be impossible) and the ears look too much like an oval rather than a diamond. And I said the extra fur coming off the top of the head should match the body color, not the darker gray color on the more "poofy" parts of its body. And yeah, the neck fur could definitely be bigger, but I blame this on not showing my idea accurately in the sketch.
Fix the poison how you want. I'm doing the Flying one.
Bushier neck fur will basically eliminate legs, though, and the tuft on the head, if made the same color, will be tough to see with this dark color.
That's just the way I see it. Liquidy and whatnot. Though, all of the Eeveelutions aim to look like their type when the correct color is placed. Though I barely see fieryness in Flareon.
I'm still not liking the Poison evo. Sprite-wise, looks like a purple sad Flareon.
(http://i.imgur.com/GA1xm.png)(http://i.imgur.com/n3fdk.png)
Tried the other ears.
My opinion is probably biased, but I still like purple version better.
(http://i57.photobucket.com/albums/g211/JrGuy/Pokemon/FlyEeveelution2.png)
Kaotic version:
(http://i57.photobucket.com/albums/g211/JrGuy/Pokemon/FlyEeveelution3.png)
Quote from: Riddler21 on April 29, 2011, 05:01:12 PM
(http://i.imgur.com/GA1xm.png)(http://i.imgur.com/n3fdk.png)
Tried the other ears.
(http://i53.tinypic.com/nh19hz.png)
I just changed a few pixels. Smoothed out some rough shading, and added a touch of dithering to the tail to make it appear more "cloudy" than smooth and polished. Also I changed two pixels on the ear-wing. Let me know how it looks.
Also, a friendly tip: Stay away from using #000000 (pure black) unless the pokemon itself is dark gray in color, and try to avoid #FFFFFF (pure white) the best you can. Even if it means going just a little off for the white, it subtly blends into the color scheme better. The black especially, I changed some of the black pixels in the outline to a much darker shade of the body color. The biggest annoyance of #000000 is the fact that it often disappears when you copy a transparent picture (like the second) with it.
The face looks really nice though. The head might be a little tall, though. Doesn't look quite round. I like the new ears a lot better.
Ignoring Eeveelutions, I would like to bring my Kraken idea back into play as the Kraken is one of my favorite Mythological creatures, and Octillery is one of my favorite water Pokémon (I have no idea why).
Water/Dark or Water/Fire would be the options of it's type. No electric, no dragon.
Why Dark? Dark is often signified as evil, the Kraken is evil as poop. Though just because other things not containing the Dark type are considered evil, doesn't mean that Dark isn't a good type to signify evil.
Why Fire? The Kraken was created by Hades, who is basically the devil, who lives in hell, which is the home of Fire. Octillery can also learn Fire moves, so it's not the biggest stretch in the universe.
Why not Dragon or Electric? There is nothing Dragon about the Kraken, there is nothing electric about the Kraken. It is based off the Kraken, and shouldn't be given random types because it could be cool or whatever.
Why not pure Water? It's a giant ass creature from hell, I personally think it needs SOMETHING more.
That is my statement on that, and I think it should happen.
Quote from: JrDude 益 on April 21, 2012, 01:12:10 AM
Ignoring Eeveelutions, I would like to bring my Kraken idea back into play as the Kraken is one of my favorite Mythological creatures, and Octillery is one of my favorite water Pokémon (I have no idea why).
Water/Dark or Water/Fire would be the options of it's type. No electric, no dragon.
Why Dark? Dark is often signified as evil, the Kraken is evil as poop. Though just because other things not containing the Dark type are considered evil, doesn't mean that Dark isn't a good type to signify evil.
Why Fire? The Kraken was created by Hades, who is basically the devil, who lives in hell, which is the home of Fire. Octillery can also learn Fire moves, so it's not the biggest stretch in the universe.
Why not Dragon or Electric? There is nothing Dragon about the Kraken, there is nothing electric about the Kraken. It is based off the Kraken, and shouldn't be given random types because it could be cool or whatever.
Why not pure Water? It's a giant ass creature from hell, I personally think it needs SOMETHING more.
That is my statement on that, and I think it should happen.
If we're going to do a Water/Fire Pokemon, this will be it. It's a really weird type combination that really only exists in the minds of 12-year-olds trying to be unique with their type ideas, however I could really see it working here without being too farfetch'd. Because this is a Pokémon-related project, you can expect to see me spell that word that way a lot. Sue me.
Anyway yeah, I do think Octillery would use an evolution. It looks a lot like a middle-stage Pokemon to me. However, a few of my own design opinions:
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Water/Fire type is what I'm going for. No questions, I'm going to start designing it like this. This is going to be our Water/Fire type. Don't like it? Don't care. I'm drawing this if even for my own personal amusement. If no one really, really objects to it, this should be the type. Nothing else is more fitting/moderately realistic for this to make sense.
-Trying to stay away from an outrageously huge size increase. Not gonna make it Wailord-sized. Sorry. Don't really want it to get much bigger than this (generic shape with tentacles doesn't mean anything. Just for size comparison):
(http://gyazo.com/01af633a1897f957ef50c662bb200e54.png?1335147168)
The reason being it evolves from Octillery, which is... 2 feet tall? 10 feet seems reasonable enough. That pic would make it about 10-11 feet with its tentacles extended. I might decide to allow it to grow bigger if I like the design, but I'm still going to treat it as an Octillery evo rather than a continent-sized hellish monster, size-wise.
Dunno if it's Uprising's Galactic Kraken turning me on to the idea or not, but suddenly I'm agreeing really hard with Junior here.
Something that could add to the design: Remember, Remoraid and Octillery are weapon based, they were formed to be like weapons. (Remoraid is shaped like a gun, and learns gun-based moves). Maybe this could add to the design, making it a cannon or flamethrower or something. I honestly don't know how just yet, but I still think it could be so. Maybe have 2 or it's tentacles look like Flame Thrower ends.
And the way Octillery evolves in my mind is with something the Dark/Fire Legendary (In my head, level up Octillery with this item being held while underwater, and it will evolve into this. OR Level it up underwater with the Dark/Fire horse in the party. Why underwater? Because it's normally imprisoned very deep underwater and released. Why is the Dark/Fire horse so important? Hades created the Kraken and should be involved in it's being created).
And personally, I think it should still be huge as poop, but I won't be bothered if it isn't. Just make sure it still looks pretty evil regardless.
Quote from: JrDude 益 on April 22, 2012, 10:21:51 PM
Something that could add to the design: Remember, Remoraid and Octillery are weapon based, they were formed to be like weapons. (Remoraid is shaped like a gun, and learns gun-based moves). Maybe this could add to the design, making it a cannon or flamethrower or something. I honestly don't know how just yet, but I still think it could be so. Maybe have 2 or it's tentacles look like Flame Thrower ends.
I've already been thinking of having at least some of its tentacles be hollow, capable of firing beams or projectiles.
QuoteAnd the way Octillery evolves in my mind is with something the Dark/Fire Legendary (In my head, level up Octillery with this item being held while underwater, and it will evolve into this. OR Level it up underwater with the Dark/Fire horse in the party. Why underwater? Because it's normally imprisoned very deep underwater and released. Why is the Dark/Fire horse so important? Hades created the Kraken and should be involved in it's being created).
That's a little insane for an evolution. I already didn't like Mantyke evolving by leveling up with a Remoraid in the party (especially because, in Gen IV onward, Mantine is shown to not require a Remoraid). Especially requiring a LEGENDARY in order to evolve a non-legendary.... Yeah, I don't really like that.
Another reason is because, I firmly believe, this is the best possible candidate we have for a Water/Fire type. I wasn't really in love with that type idea at the start, but people wanted it, and this is the one thing that's really making me say "Wow. This could WORK." Plus, Octillery doesn't scream "Dark" to me, and neither does a Kraken, for that matter. If we want to associate Hades with the Kraken, we could make the Kraken a required component to reaching the Hades legendary (Like Relicanth and Wailord were required to reach the legendary trio in Gen III). But that goes too far into game designing, something we won't be covering in this project.
QuoteAnd personally, I think it should still be huge as poop, but I won't be bothered if it isn't. Just make sure it still looks pretty evil regardless.
10 feet is still pretty huge, honestly. You have an average-height ceiling (about 8 feet), right? Maybe not? Anyway, just picture this thing resting on the floor, and it's head will be almost touching the ceiling. Even without the tentacles, it's probably taller than your standing height. Remember, I'm not even counting its tentacles, which will be sprawled out, overtaking the room completely. It's pretty huge.