The Official B&W/5th gen Discussion Thread - GAMES OUT EVERYWHERE

[Kayo]

Doesn't that normally apply to all Stone evolving pokemon?

Most things that evolve from Stones don't learn level-up moves. The downside to being able to evolve as early as level 1.

[FruitFlow]

Most All things that evolve from Stones don't learn level-up moves. The downside to being able to evolve as early as level 1.

Fixed

[Nayrman]

No, most but not all stone evolutions stop.

For example, Eeveelutions still learn moves. Jolteon can only learn Pin Missle as Jolteon, etc. So no, it's not a hard rule. :P

[FruitFlow]

Oh, yeah.
I forgot about how the Eeveelution line works.

[Kayo]

Oh, yeah.
I forgot about how the Eeveelution line works.

Some things continue to learn a few moves, too. I don't remember off the top of my head, but there were definitely some that weren't eeveelutions that learned at least three extra moves, that the pre-evos didn't get.

I think Poliwrath and Nidoking/queen get at least 3-4 moves after evolution.

[FruitFlow]

Some things continue to learn a few moves, too. I don't remember off the top of my head, but there were definitely some that weren't eeveelutions that learned at least three extra moves, that the pre-evos didn't get.

I think Poliwrath and Nidoking/queen get at least 3-4 moves after evolution.

I know for certain Staryu learns all of its moves in its first stage.
I have a Poliwrath, but I'm not certain what it learns after that.

[Kayo]

I know for certain Staryu learns all of its moves in its first stage.
I have a Poliwrath, but I'm not certain what it learns after that.

Poliwrath gains the fighting type, and has always learned a few more fighting-style moves after it evolved. Well, Mind Reader and DynamicPunch. It also gets a new move in B/W called Circle Throw, which is like Roar + damage. Switches out the opponent with reduced priority just like Roar, but the downside to it being a damaging attack is that it has only 90% accuracy.

[FruitFlow]

Poliwrath gains the fighting type, and has always learned a few more fighting-style moves after it evolved. Well, Mind Reader and DynamicPunch. It also gets a new move in B/W called Circle Throw, which is like Roar + damage. Switches out the opponent with reduced priority just like Roar, but the downside to it being a damaging attack is that it has only 90% accuracy.

90% Accuracy isn't too bad.
That's far better than what Blizzard, Thunder and Fire Blast have.

[DededeCloneChris]

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[Kayo]

90% Accuracy isn't too bad.
That's far better than what Blizzard, Thunder and Fire Blast have.

But for a reduced priority move it's a double whammy. In fact, look at the only damaging reduced priority move prior to Gen V. As far as I know, there was only Vital Throw. But in return for attacking last, it never missed. It was a no-miss move like Swift.

The point of switching out an opponent usually means you can't risk getting hit by too many attacks. That's often why people Roar, to get rid of something while only having to take one attack beforehand. The small chance of it missing makes it a little shaky. Not awful, but not perfect.

[JrDude]

Either use Roar/Whirlwind or take the risk of getting hurt by trying to hurt the foe as well.
If they added attack but not lowered accuracy, then they might as well have removed Roar/Whirlwind since they would be made pointless.

[Kayo]

Either use Roar/Whirlwind or take the risk of getting hurt by trying to hurt the foe as well.
If they added attack but not lowered accuracy, then they might as well have removed Roar/Whirlwind since they would be made pointless.

That's the point. It depends on how much risk you're willing to take.

[FruitFlow]

We also have the counter-based moves with priority differences.
Counter and Mirror Coat both always have the lowest priority rating out of any offensive move. Whereas Bide will always go first no matter the situation. Metal Burst on the other hand either goes first or last depending on how fast/slow the user is.
I believe Quick Claw can trigger it as well.

[Kayo]

We also have the counter-based moves with priority differences.
Counter and Mirror Coat both always have the lowest priority rating out of any offensive move. Whereas Bide will always go first no matter the situation. Metal Burst on the other hand either goes first or last depending on how fast/slow the user is.
I believe Quick Claw can trigger it as well.

I'm pretty sure I attacked before Bide once. Are you sure on that one?

[Neerb]

In fact, look at the only damaging reduced priority move prior to Gen V. As far as I know, there was only Vital Throw.

I'm fairly certain that Avalanche and Revenge were also lowered priority moves that directly attacked the opponent.