Let's see if we can build an NSFCD Region Pokedex, with all original Pokemon.
We need ideas for originals, evos/prevos to old Pokemon, artists and maybe pixel-artists to make sprites.
This has the potential to be badass.
We all need to agree on Pokemon before they make it into the 'dex.
First order of business: Let's decide on the starters. What animals should they be? What typing should they be? What should their defining features be?
NSFCD Region Dex:
001: Grass
002: Grass/???
003: Grass/Fighting
004: Fire Peachick
005: Fire/??? Peacock
006: Fire/Psychic Peacock
007: Water Frog
008: Water/???
009: Water/Dark
0??: Electric Gerbil/Hamster
0??: Electric Gerbil/Hamster Evolution (Thunder Stone)
1??: Grass Demeter Horse
1??: Fire Hades Horse
1??: Water Poseidon Horse (Hippocamp)
1??: Flying Zeus Horse (Pegasus)
1??: Steel/Flying SilverHawk
1??: ???/??? Mackthing
1??: Cute Secret Legendary
I say
Triceratops for Grass.
Frilled Lizard for Fire.
Platypus for Water.
I had the idea of a Grass-type monkey starter (tree climbing and yeah) way back when but Chimchar and Pansage destroyed my dreams.
Nice thread.
Hopefully I'll come up with something decent.
Final Evo types for starters.
Grass/Flying
Fire/FightingIce
Water/Poison
For your ideas, it could be that except Grass/Rock (Because dinosaurs are USUALLY associated with rock in this game)
My idea for the Fire/Ice is blue fire eventually being in it.
And if memory serves correctly, Platypuses have poisonous something, but even if they don't, we don't really need logic.
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Quote from: JrDude 益 on April 09, 2011, 02:36:09 AM
Final Evo types for starters.
Grass/Flying
Fire/FightingIce
Water/Poison
For your ideas, it could be that except Grass/Rock (Because dinosaurs are USUALLY associated with rock in this game)
My idea for the Fire/Ice is blue fire eventually being in it.
And if memory serves correctly, Platypuses have poisonous something, but even if they don't, we don't really need logic.
Platypuses have poisonous claws, so I like it. Tentacool/Cruel and Qwilfish have that typing but I don't mind it.
Fire/Ice seems weird for a starter. That should probably be saved for another Pokemon.
Grass/Rock would work, but then it feels like that should be saved for a Fossil.
My starter ideas aren't necessarily the ones we'll use either. This is a community project. :D
Water/Poison Platypus for Water line, y/n?
Grass:
Stage 1 is a green, ground yellow fox with a long leafy tail. It's second stage will be grow bigger and all the leaves on it's long tail will become buds. It also gets a bit more furry all around. It also gains dark type, as it's description will say it lives in dark forests and doesn't like to go near cities and such. Stage 3 will be a full grown fox or wolf type creature, with flowers on it's long tail, a long mane along it's back and black eyes.
Fire:
Stage 1 is a small, rounded orange/yellow bird. It has short feathers save for it's two very long feathers at the tip of it's tail. It is second type with flying. Stage two it gets bigger, it's neck gets longer and it's body becomes more mature as it's wings grow. Two feathers at the tip of it's tail become five feathers. It's final stage it is very tall, fire red in color and has a large group of tail feathers spreading out every which way, also now sporting a large, impressive feather headress on it's head. It resembles a mix of peacock and phoenix.
Water:
Stage one is a small, light blue snake. It is fairly small, but long and slender. It'll wisp it's tongue out every now and again, and is pure water type to begin with. Stage 2 it will gain the poison type, and two small fangs will sprout out of it's mouth. Purple lines will dart down it's back as it becomes a pure blue color, and grows large. Stage 3 the fangs will grow very large and dangerous looking, as it's skin becomes dark blue and the purple stripes wave all around it's body. It will also gain an impressive cobra-like side around the top half of it's body (think Arbok I guess), in a similar dark blue color.
The theme for mine were forest beings. I figured this would be good. Any thoughts? I couldn't really think of names or anything.
Quote from: Nayrman on April 09, 2011, 10:30:50 AM
Grass:
Stage 1 is a green, ground yellow fox with a long leafy tail. It's second stage will be grow bigger and all the leaves on it's long tail will become buds. It also gets a bit more furry all around. It also gains dark type, as it's description will say it lives in dark forests and doesn't like to go near cities and such. Stage 3 will be a full grown fox or wolf type creature, with flowers on it's long tail, a long mane along it's back and black eyes.
Fire:
Stage 1 is a small, rounded orange/yellow bird. It has short feathers save for it's two very long feathers at the tip of it's tail. It is second type with flying. Stage two it gets bigger, it's neck gets longer and it's body becomes more mature as it's wings grow. Two feathers at the tip of it's tail become five feathers. It's final stage it is very tall, fire red in color and has a large group of tail feathers spreading out every which way, also now sporting a large, impressive feather headress on it's head. It resembles a mix of peacock and phoenix.
Water:
Stage one is a small, light blue snake. It is fairly small, but long and slender. It'll wisp it's tongue out every now and again, and is pure water type to begin with. Stage 2 it will gain the poison type, and two small fangs will sprout out of it's mouth. Purple lines will dart down it's back as it becomes a pure blue color, and grows large. Stage 3 the fangs will grow very large and dangerous looking, as it's skin becomes dark blue and the purple stripes wave all around it's body. It will also gain an impressive cobra-like side around the top half of it's body (think Arbok I guess), in a similar dark blue color.
The theme for mine were forest beings. I figured this would be good. Any thoughts? I couldn't really think of names or anything.
For grass, I wouldn't mind it, but for Fire, that'd be Fire/Flying (Charizard), and water would be a Snake (Snivy). Let's try for something different. :P
I had a theory about starters that's pretty much flopped out by now but this is how it went.
Fire Starters: All have fire spewing out of their body somewhere at every stage. Torchic and Tepig's lines went and intercourse ed that up.
Water starters: Are marshland creatures. Turtle, Croc, Mudfish... Piplup and Oshawott intercourse ed this up.
Grass starters: Reptilian or Amphibian. Normally I say Trecko intercourse ed this up because I went more Reptilian, but meh. This is the only proper starter line.
I'd like to keep the grass pokemon a reptile or amphibian if possible.
But this is a group project so let's discuss :P
Uh... snivy doesn't look like a snake at all until it's final stage, and even then it doesn't look like a snake I've ever seen or heard of.
Oh, and Charizard is Fire/Flying...so? We've had three fire fighting even though two of those don't make any sense whatsoever.
Quote from: Nayrman on April 09, 2011, 11:51:31 AM
Uh... snivy doesn't look like a snake at all until it's final stage, and even then it doesn't look like a snake I've ever seen or heard of.
Oh, and Charizard is Fire/Flying...so? We've had three fire fighting even though two of those don't make any sense whatsoever.
The three Fire/Fighting is intercourse ing annnoooyyyiiiinnnngggg.
And Snivy is a snake, there's really no argument there.
Let's
try for unique.
Water Starters
fish---->landwhale----->whale
type-wise this would be
water---->water/ground------>water
(maybe the final form is a narwhal so water/ice?)
Fire starters
bird---->less birdy bird---->raptor
fire/flying----->fire/flying----->fire(/normal?)
(my other idea was a fire/poison komodo dragon, but I wasn't sure how the prevos would work out)
grass starters
stegosaurus without plates/spikes---->stegosaurus without spikes---->stegosaurus
grass---->grass(rock?)---->grass(rock?fighting?)
Quote from: So_So_Man on April 09, 2011, 12:04:21 PM
(maybe the final form is a narwhal so water/ice?)
Can we please come up with typings that have not been overused or are unique?
Quote from: So_So_Man on April 09, 2011, 12:04:21 PM
Water Starters
fish---->landwhale----->whale
type-wise this would be
water---->water/ground------>water
(maybe the final form is a narwhal so water/ice?)
Fire starters
bird---->less birdy bird---->raptor
fire/flying----->fire/flying----->fire(/normal?)
(my other idea was a fire/poison komodo dragon, but I wasn't sure how the prevos would work out)
grass starters
stegosaurus without plates/spikes---->stegosaurus without spikes---->stegosaurus
grass---->grass(rock?)---->grass(rock?fighting?)
I don't think I like losing typings in starters...
And Stage 1 starters should be pure type imo... Bulbasaur was a weird exception.
I'm adamant about keeping my fire bird the same. The only fire flying starter is Charizard, and he's not a "bird". Torchic became fighting for some reason. So it's still unique in my book.
Ok, instead of a snake, how about a frog? Same water, then water poison (which isn't all that common. Just Tentacool/Cruel and Qwilfish iirc)
Stage 1: a light blue, small frog with a long tongue. Stage 2: Gains poison type, grows bigger and has become neutral blue with purple spots on it. It's eyes become bigger and has the "croak bubble" on it's neck now. Stage 3: Grows to it's biggest size, it's hind legs become purple and has dark purple stripes where the poison comes out. The rest of it is a very dark blue.
How's that?
For he Fire/Ice idea, I agree that's too odd for a starter. Let's try to avoid what happened in Gen IV, where Infernape had type advantages against BOTH of the other starters, while Empoleon was weak to BOTH the other two. And if Empoleon had Ice Beam, it could take down Torterra easy.
Basically:
Torterra's STAB moves are supereffective on Infernape and Empoleon
Infernape's STAB moves are supereffective on Torterra and Empoleon
Torterra is weak to Infernape and Empoleon with Ice Beam (Well, EVERY water can use Ice Beam, so ignore this.)
Infernape is weak to Torterra and Empoleon, when discounting its high Speed and attacking stats
Empoleon is weak to Torterra and Infernape, again taking only typing into effect.
Yeah 4th gen was a little weird all over here. I realize this probably won't be put into a game, but this is just a suggestion if we want true balance. I'd stay away from putting opposite types together (No Fire/Grass or Grass/Water type starter please) or including another "elemental" type (Electric and Ice come to mind) or making it so one starter doesn't have an advantage against both the other two.
Also no bird fire-starter. Blaziken was more human than birdlike, but Torchic was more bird. I say we go for different animals/whatever.
I can offer my ideas later.
NO Fire bird starter, we already had that.
NO reptiles or amphibians of any kind; I'm freaking sick of having those in every single generation (heck, the very first gen was ALL reptiles).
My [final evo] suggestions:
Grass/Flying Peacock
Fire/Dark Tiger
Water/Poison Platypus
Fire/Dark I'd be okay with, since I liked Houndoom a lot because of its typing and amount of badass. I also wouldn't mind a Grass/Psychic.
I do suggest that we stick to the whole single-type-until-evolution thing, since every Pokemon so far has done that except Bulbasaur, if I remember right.
Gee, we've also certainly have had a lot of mammal starters as well. Maybe not as much as reptile, but I don't see how that's a valid argument. And at least my idea was one mammal, one bird, and one reptile.
Quote from: Nayrman on April 09, 2011, 07:40:06 PM
Gee, we've also certainly have had a lot of mammal starters as well. Maybe not as much as reptile, but I don't see how that's a valid argument. And at least my idea was one mammal, one bird, and one reptile.
Mammal starters: Typhlosion, Infernape, Emboar, Samurott
Reptile: Venusaur, Charizard, Blastoise, Meganium, Feraligatr, Sceptile, Torterra, Serperior
Amphibians: Swampert
Birds: Blaziken, Empoleon
It's no comparison and a completely reasonable complaint; more than HALF of the 15 starters have been reptile, so I hardly think we need another one right now. It's just like how more than half of the Fire starters are part Fighting; it's time to move on to something else.
[spoiler](http://i.imgur.com/o35Zo.png)[/spoiler]
Aside from what creatures they actually are, we should think about the balance between the three, no? Maybe I'm thinking too much.
Water/Poison seems to be general consensus. I really like this combination personally.
Nothing really seems balanced against this, though.
Quote from: Cecil Harvey on April 09, 2011, 09:02:41 PM
[spoiler](http://i.imgur.com/o35Zo.png)[/spoiler]
Aside from what creatures they actually are, we should think about the balance between the three, no? Maybe I'm thinking too much.
Water/Poison seems to be general consensus. I really like this combination personally.
Nothing really seems balanced against this, though.
Water/Poison means Grass doesn't beat it, and it in turn beats both other starters.
Quote from: Chandelure on April 09, 2011, 10:32:49 PM
Water/Poison means Grass doesn't beat it, and it in turn beats both other starters.
Ehhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh.
Maybe we should work with the Dark/Psychic/Fighting idea.
Fire > Grass > Water > Fire
Dark > Psychic > Fighting > Dark
Fire/Dark
Grass/Psychic
Water/Fighting
But the Water/Poison Platypus still sounds awesome.
Quote from: Cecil Harvey on April 09, 2011, 10:49:09 PM
Ehhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh.
Maybe we should work with the Dark/Psychic/Fighting idea.
Fire > Grass > Water > Fire
Dark > Psychic > Fighting > Dark
Fire/Dark
Grass/Psychic
Water/Fighting
But the Water/Poison Platypus still sounds awesome.
This could work even
[spoiler](http://i.imgur.com/msxMz.png)[/spoiler]
Wanna try to figure out which would be the best balance from this chart?
Grass/Psychic is extraordinarily weak compared to the others.
Quote from: Cecil Harvey on April 09, 2011, 11:33:19 PM
[spoiler](http://i.imgur.com/msxMz.png)[/spoiler]
Wanna try to figure out which would be the best balance from this chart?
Grass/Psychic is extraordinarily weak compared to the others.
Fire/Psychic
Grass/Fighting
Water/Dark
Grass/Ghost (Bug and Poison damage gets reduced, and also provides immunity to Normal and Fighting)
Fire/Dark (Or visa versa with Water)
Water/Psychic (Or visa versa with Fire)
I want to be as unique as possible.
No starter has ever had Dual Ghost, Dark or Psychic before, and Grass is pretty much the only typing of the 3 that has never had Ghost at all.
But feel free to disagree. This was just an idea.
If we get a poisonous frog, I want it to be redish in it's evos, even if it's a starter. I mean, for some reason, when I think of a poisonous frog, I think of those red frogs.
Also, WHO CARES what the weaknesses are? (Probably a lot of you). I just want cool looking Pokés and good ideas.
Another thing, Poison removes Water's weakness to Grass, but wouldn't Ice remove Fire's weakness to water? And Rock remove Grass' weakness to Fire?
I could be wrong (I don't 100% remember type advantages and disadvantages).
If I'm right, then we could go with that idea and use it for the starter's final evos.
Quote from: FruitFlow on April 10, 2011, 01:27:26 AM
Grass/Ghost (Bug and Poison damage gets reduced, and also provides immunity to Normal and Fighting)
Fire/Dark (Or visa versa with Water)
Water/Psychic (Or visa versa with Fire)
I want to be as unique as possible.
No starter has ever had Dual Ghost, Dark or Psychic before, and Grass is pretty much the only typing of the 3 that has never had Ghost at all.
But feel free to disagree. This was just an idea.
They're starters, we don't need to be ultra unique and awesome. They CAN be, but we shouldn't be trying to make them the most epic, most resistant, most equal Pokémon of all time.
If they have x4 weakness to 5 things while another only has x2 weakness to 1 thing, Who cares?
I have no idea what you're trying to say Jr but Ice is only resistant to itself. Ice takes neutral damage from Water.
Also, no Ghost type starters please. You'd automatically win every battle for a while because EVERYTHING has only Normal-type moves. If it only becomes Ghost in the final stage MAYBE, but not in the first or second.
Ok, since no one can come up with agreeable water/fire/grass starters, perhaps we should go with Psychic, Dark, and Fighting starters?
Quote from: Nayrman on April 10, 2011, 09:30:58 AM
Ok, since no one can come up with agreeable water/fire/grass starters, perhaps we should go with Psychic, Dark, and Fighting starters?
I still think my idea makes the most sense:
Fire/Psychic
Grass/Fighting
Water/Dark
The cycle works normally so each starter beats the type it's supposed to with both its primary and secondary type.
Hm. Ok. I'll try to come up with something like that in mind I guess.
Quote from: JrDude 益 on April 10, 2011, 02:02:11 AM
They're starters, we don't need to be ultra unique and awesome. They CAN be, but we shouldn't be trying to make them the most epic, most resistant, most equal Pokémon of all time.
If they have x4 weakness to 5 things while another only has x2 weakness to 1 thing, Who cares?
Well, if you say so.
I just wanted as creative as possible.
Quote from: Chandelure on April 10, 2011, 09:25:12 AM
I have no idea what you're trying to say Jr but Ice is only resistant to itself. Ice takes neutral damage from Water.
Also, no Ghost type starters please. You'd automatically win every battle for a while because EVERYTHING has only Normal-type moves. If it only becomes Ghost in the final stage MAYBE, but not in the first or second.
Of course.
No starter should ever have dual at they're first stage.
Second stage sounds okay, since a lot of things learn Dark moves at an early rate. (Bite, Pursuit, etc.)
Quote from: FruitFlow on April 10, 2011, 09:41:50 AM
Well, if you say so.
I just wanted as creative as possible.
Of course.
No starter should ever have dual at they're first stage.
Second stage sounds okay, since a lot of things learn Dark moves at an early rate. (Bite, Pursuit, etc.)
Yeah but a lot of things don't.
No starter has ever had an immunity until the third stage. As a refresher, these are Swampert and Torterra being immune to Electric, and Empoleon being immune to Poison. It's just too unbalanced, I think.
Quote from: Chandelure on April 10, 2011, 09:44:24 AM
Yeah but a lot of things don't.
No starter has ever had an immunity until the third stage. As a refresher, these are Swampert and Torterra being immune to Electric, and Empoleon being immune to Poison. It's just too unbalanced, I think.
Actually, Mudkip gains Ground in it's second stage as a Marshstomp.
How about we make the Grass a late evolver like Totodile and Turtwig?
Or just make all the starters dual at their final stage.
Quote from: FruitFlow on April 10, 2011, 09:54:43 AM
Actually, Mudkip gains Ground in it's second stage as a Marshstomp.
How about we make the Grass a late evolver like Totodile and Turtwig?
Or just make all the starters dual at their final stage.
Okay yeah it does, but Grotle and Prinplup are single typed. Forgot about that (I usually don't care about middle stages)
Either way, that was ONE immunity, to a pretty rare type anyway. You don't find Electric types until around the third gym in the game Marshtomp appears in, and even then it's only Electrike and Plusle/Minun. And by then you already will have found Geodude. So the second type doesn't entirely impact the game too much.
TWO immunities on the other hand, to more common types, are different. The earliest you could ever catch a Ghost was Lavender Town in RBYFRLG. And then, that was ONE ghost, which is what made it a useful asset (being the only one available)
...I'm just saying, it just seems to stand out more than the other two starters. A Ghost is something that should be available to everybody, instead of only to whoever picks a certain starter.
Don't worry creative people, these are just the starters, there's 142 more Pokémon to create (if we go for 151, otherwise even more/less), we don't have to put ALL the creativity into the starters.
Well, for the time being I want to stick with my Grass/Ghost idea.
If everyone ends up disliking it though I'll just go ahead and try to think up something new.
But I really like this typing.
Fire/Psychic
Grass/Fighting
Water/Dark
I'm a fan of this, as much as I love the Platypus idea.
Now for the creatures to go along with them.
I still think we need a frilled lizard in there somewhere, and for some reason the Grass/Fighting type sounds like it'd match. It keeps the reptile/amphibian thing going as well.
Oh, I just wanted to point out that another reason I chose Grass/Ghost is because as reptiles shed their skin it becomes very pale colored. Giving off sort of a ghostly/zombie appearance.
Like this:
[spoiler](http://www.fabsreptiles.co.uk/images/shedding.jpg)[/spoiler]
[spoiler](http://www.uvguide.co.uk/images/leopardgeckoshedding.jpg)[/spoiler]
[spoiler](http://acreptiles.com/geckos/jay_crested_gecko_male2.jpg)[/spoiler]
Very huge pic:
[spoiler](http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_Tie_sTx6OCA/S7qIMlmO2CI/AAAAAAAAAdg/Xto121txeg4/s1600/shedding+lizards+001.JPG)[/spoiler]
Fruity, we can still make a Grass/Ghost, just perhaps not as a starter. Really.
And for the lizard thing, perhaps start as a basic quadrupedal frilled lizard for the base form, gradually becoming more menacing and aggressive through evolution until it ultimately reaches an epic beast of a frilled lizard that has developed vicious combative fighting skills.
And Intimidate would be a very fitting ability if we didn't want to stick to Overgrow. But if we do go separate abilities, save Intimidate until at least the second form so it's not too powerful (Intimidate is a great ability), and have the first form have a weak filler ability or whatever.
Or stick with Overgrow, it's no big deal. It might be easier if we stay traditional on the abilities.
This is all a spew of random ideas of mine.
Let's move along in the discussion while we think about the starters.
How about "The New Pikachu"? Who should our new Electric Rodent be?
We had Pikachu, Pichu, Plusle/Minun, Pachirisu, and Emolga.
Next?
Let's see. We've had mice and squirrels.
How about a gerbil or hamster?
Electric gerbil.
Bahahahaha I can picture its fur puffing out from static.
I can imagine that right now.
Quote from: Cecil Harvey on April 10, 2011, 04:32:33 PM
Bahahahaha I can picture its fur puffing out from static.
Gotta be. Then we give it those fluffy moves like Cotton Guard.
Quote from: Chandelure on April 10, 2011, 06:11:09 PM
Gotta be. Then we give it those fluffy moves like Cotton Guard.
Fur Puffing =/= Cotton.
You just went full retard.
Quote from: Cecil Harvey on April 10, 2011, 06:28:26 PM
Fur Puffing =/= Cotton.
You just went full retard.
I know, I'm referring to the fluffiness. We deserve a rodent that's actually useful, and Cotton Guard is an amazing move.
Not to mention Maractus learns the move and isn't even involved itself with cotton.
So do we all agree to an Electric Gerbil/Hamster?
oh god it'd be so intercourse ing cute.
What would it evolve into, a Guinea Pig?
Quote from: Cecil Harvey on April 10, 2011, 07:14:12 PM
So do we all agree to an Electric Gerbil/Hamster?
oh god it'd be so intercourse ing cute.
What would it evolve into, a Guinea Pig?
Who says it needs to evolve? Pikachu's the only one that did.
Quote from: Chandelure on April 10, 2011, 07:15:49 PM
Who says it needs to evolve? Pikachu's the only one that did.
Ehhhhhh, I'd like it to evolve personally. D:
Quote from: Cecil Harvey on April 10, 2011, 07:16:39 PM
Ehhhhhh, I'd like it to evolve personally. D:
But it would likely lose some of the cute factor if it did D:
Quote from: Chandelure on April 10, 2011, 07:22:03 PM
But it would likely lose some of the cute factor if it did D:
Unless you evolve it into a Super Cute but Tough bigger version, like Raichu <3
Quote from: Cecil Harvey on April 10, 2011, 07:23:10 PM
Unless you evolve it into a Super Cute but Tough bigger version, like Raichu <3
But you have to figure out how to do it without making it look ugly. D:
Suddenly, I want somewhere to be a little Guinea Pig, that evolves into a regular Pig, that evolves into a bigass Boar (Not a 2 footed fighting boar, I mean with those horn thingies coming out of the mouth [what they're called slipped my mind] on all 4 feet). Doesn't have to be involved with this electric Hamster.
Electrohamster can be made to evolve with a Thunder Stone and can basically be LIKE Pikachu in that we don't need to evolve it to be awesome. But if it were a hamster Pokémon that didn't evolve, well it would look like a very useless baby Pokémon.
Also, all of these Pokémon look AWESOME and HORRIBLY UGLY until an agreed sprite is made for it, which hasn't been done for any yet. So the ugliest idea can be made to look cute/not ugly if made correctly.
Wow, I actually came up with an idea everyone likes.
Ok, so we agree on Electric Gerbil/Hamster. I'll add it to the dex list.
Someone come up with a name.
I'd like it to have an evolution.
The evolution could look close to Raticate./Sarcasm
In all seriousness if it's going to get an evolution, Guinea Pig would best suit it.
I'll come up with a name for it, Rob.
But it may take a while to come up with something good.
Try to think of a general appearance too.
Orange Gerbil, long tail, lightning bolts for whiskers?
I Googled "Hamster" and one of the pics was this
[spoiler](http://www.thecutereport.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/09/hamster.jpg)[/spoiler]
And now that's something close to what I want to see. It could even be the evolution (2 legs makes it seem like an evolution)
Not sure why, but that image sort of gives out Raticate.
Maybe it's the color.
Let's get back to the starter discussion.
We need creatures that fit the typing combinations: Water/Dark, Grass/Fighting, Fire/Psychic
Any ideas?
I'm thinking frog for Water. Little blue frog with a tail, second evo is like this:
[spoiler](http://www.architerials.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/03/300px-Red_eyed_tree_frog_edit2.jpg)[/spoiler]
Final evo is on 2 legs and looks evil and more purple (as dark is often associated with purple)
Though I guess there isn't much sense there since they're normally tadpoles at the most pre-evo, but normally the starters have the ability to walk on land, but this looks Dark to me.
I know frogs have been used a few times already, but I like this idea. Though we don't have to use it.
For Grass, this thing should be part of the final evo:
[spoiler](http://www.petsandheaven.org/online/templatemedia/all_lang/resources/Reptile_portal.jpg)[/spoiler]
As that mohawk thingy would look awesome (according to my imagination) on a Grass/Fight
And for Fire... A Rabbit? IDK For some reason, Fire/Psychic is making me think of some epic bigass rabbit with it's ears down (final evo)
Also, because I know this will be brought up in the future.
Can we not go for the obvious and end up making a prevo of Kangaskhan?
I really don't see a mammal for Fire/Psychic, to be honest. Not an evolving one, at least.
Quote from: Chandelure on April 13, 2011, 03:50:59 AM
I really don't see a mammal for Fire/Psychic, to be honest.
Victini seems fine with it.
How would evolving change anything?
Victini looks like a rabbit.
Quote from: JrDude 益 on April 12, 2011, 11:04:10 PM
I'm thinking frog for Water. Little blue frog with a tail, second evo is like this:
[spoiler](http://www.architerials.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/03/300px-Red_eyed_tree_frog_edit2.jpg)[/spoiler]
Final evo is on 2 legs and looks evil and more purple (as dark is often associated with purple)
Though I guess there isn't much sense there since they're normally tadpoles at the most pre-evo, but normally the starters have the ability to walk on land, but this looks Dark to me.
I know frogs have been used a few times already, but I like this idea. Though we don't have to use it.
We haven't had a "real" frog. Seismitoad is weird. The only "Real" frog is Politoed.
I honestly can't think of anything that would fit the Grass/Fighting category.
Now I see how companies feel while struggling for new ideas.
Quote from: Neerb on April 13, 2011, 05:49:22 AM
Victini seems fine with it.
How would evolving change anything?
I can't picture it EVOLVING. I don't want to know what the final form would look like >_>
So, was the Fire type decided to be a Frilled Lizard, or are we still in the debating process?
Quote from: FruitFlow on April 13, 2011, 09:38:27 PM
So, was the Fire type decided to be a Frilled Lizard, or are we still in the debating process?
That's the Grass type i think.
It can be anything. Fire Fighters (oh look, a pun), were Chickens, Monkeys, and Pig/Boars. You just gotta put 'em on 2 feet, make them look epic, and put them in a fighting stance.
I guess I'll leave the starter selections to you guys.
Since none of the ideas I had in mind are.
In the meantime, I'll continue thinking up a good name for the gerbil.
So, with no other ideas being presented, should mine be the official ideas for designs? or is Victini too Bunnyish and should be a reason to change the fire starter's idea?
As I said earlier:
Grass - fox-ish mammal
Fire - phoenix or peacock type bird
Water - Frog/Toad
There, one mammal, one bird, and one reptile/amphibian. Balanced. We can discuss second types though depending on what people want to put as ideas.
Quote from: Nayrman on April 14, 2011, 09:52:23 AM
As I said earlier:
Grass - fox-ish mammal
Fire - phoenix or peacock type bird
Water - Frog/Toad
There, one mammal, one bird, and one reptile/amphibian. Balanced. We can discuss second types though depending on what people want to put as ideas.
I'm pretty sure we decided on Grass/Fighting, Fire/Psychic, and Water/Dark.
Also, I still want the Grass starter to be based on this:
[spoiler](http://gyazo.com/f7184b46813ed6121b8ee855fba67e0d.png)][/spoiler]
For fire, I can see a Fire/Psychic kind of land-phoenix... thing. Somehow, I think we can do this. I can start drawing up concept sketches maybe.
For water, someone posted that picture of the blue frog with black spots. I think that looks pretty cool, if we can get that to evolve and not look ugly.
I kind of like the one mammal, bird, and reptile thing I had going, but that could work too for grass I suppose. And that blue frog was kind of what I had planned but ok. I'll try to think of some evo's
Quote from: Nayrman on April 14, 2011, 12:31:36 PM
I kind of like the one mammal, bird, and reptile thing I had going, but that could work too for grass I suppose. And that blue frog was kind of what I had planned but ok. I'll try to think of some evo's
Reptile, bird, amphibian. Technically, we still have three... phyla? If that's the correct biological level here. Maybe it's classes. But you know what I mean.
I think it is classes, and they're all part of whatever Phylum contains all vertebrates by definition. Feel free to correct my biology.
My main problem with Phoenix is Moltres and Ho-oh.
We already have two Phoenix inspired Pokemon.
..but I do have a bit of an idea.
Fire Psychic.
I can see the final form being a Peacock.
Each of it's tailfeathers has "eyes".. the eyes are where the psychic poop comes from.
Picture it.
[spoiler](http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/b/b4/Indian_Peacock_Plumage.jpg/800px-Indian_Peacock_Plumage.jpg)[/spoiler]
Quote from: Cecil Harvey on April 14, 2011, 12:57:24 PM
My main problem with Phoenix is Moltres and Ho-oh.
We already have two Phoenix inspired Pokemon.
..but I do have a bit of an idea.
Fire Psychic.
I can see the final form being a Peacock.
Each of it's tailfeathers has "eyes".. the eyes are where the psychic poop comes from.
Picture it.
[spoiler](http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/b/b4/Indian_Peacock_Plumage.jpg/800px-Indian_Peacock_Plumage.jpg)[/spoiler]
Why this just come to my mind:
It's wings are red on the outside, fading to yellow on the inside and shaped vaguely like, well, flames. Then the aforementioned "eyes" are contrasting colors, like maybe a blue or even teal.
Rob, do you want me to start sketching some ideas?
I do like that idea for the fire/psychic bird. That works a-ok for me.
Quote from: Chandelure on April 14, 2011, 01:13:56 PM
Why this just come to my mind:
It's wings are red on the outside, fading to yellow on the inside and shaped vaguely like, well, flames. Then the aforementioned "eyes" are contrasting colors, like maybe a blue or even teal.
Rob, do you want me to start sketching some ideas?
I like it. Let's hope you can draw Sugimori style lol.
That's the final Evo though. What does it start as?
I like this idea, but I don't like it for the starter. Peacock should be a Psychic/Flying non-starter. It can even be Fire/Psychic, but I still wouldn't want it for a starter.
Why? Well, there aren't many birds that look like they can be peacocks, without being peacocks (Pre-evos). Also, it's a bird, which is usually flying type. And another thing, Peacocks look different depending on their gender in reality, and the difference is pretty big, and I personally don't think a big change through genders should be implemented in a starter, and I also don't think both Male and Female versions of a Peacock should look like a male Peacock.
Quote from: JrDude 益 on April 14, 2011, 01:27:33 PM
I like this idea, but I don't like it for the starter. Peacock should be a Psychic/Flying non-starter. It can even be Fire/Psychic, but I still wouldn't want it for a starter.
Why? Well, there aren't many birds that look like they can be peacocks, without being peacocks (Pre-evos). Also, it's a bird, which is usually flying type. And another thing, Peacocks look different depending on their gender in reality, and the difference is pretty big, and I personally don't think a big change through genders should be implemented in a starter, and I also don't think both Male and Female versions of a Peacock should look like a male Peacock.
Torchic line and Piplup line. There goes the bird defense.
I'm not worried about Gender differences personally. That poop wasn't added until Gen4 and Gen5 barely had any differences.
I knew the bird thing wasn't a big thing, but it's still a thing. I even said it can still be Fire/Psychic, but not a starter, there it wouldn't bother me.
Gender difference I personally like a lot for some reason, and a peacock should have big differences, but starters should not have big gender differences.
Can a Peacock even fly? Just curious. For some reason I think they're land based. If they can fly then I'm just being an idiot. :P
They don't have to be accurate to real life gender differences ya know, it IS pokemon we're talking about. XD
I like the Fire/Psychic for this starter.
I was actually wondering the same thing, I don't remember if they can fly.
And the gender junk is just a personal issue of mine, we don't have to listen to me.
And I like Fire/Psychic too, it's just I didn't want it to be a peacock as the final evo starter.
I'll get doodling.
Quote from: Chandelure on April 14, 2011, 12:07:06 PM
Also, I still want the Grass starter to be based on this:
[spoiler](http://gyazo.com/f7184b46813ed6121b8ee855fba67e0d.png)][/spoiler]
To me, that seems like a poison type, and shows nothing of a Fighting type, as that type of thing spits out poisonous stuff (I think). And isn't that a dinosaur? If it is, it can be one of our fossil Pokémon being Rock/Poison.
And this is what I think they should look like, you can expand on my ideas or fix them or whatever, or even completely ignore them.
[spoiler=Water:]
Youngest version:
A little frog with small black dots on it's back and a tail of a tadpole.
1st Evolution:
Basically the frog picture I provided with evil looking expression, (angry eyes, mischievous smile). And have the tail from the prevo be there but barely noticeable.
Final Evolution:
It's bigger, the dots on the back are black fading into purple (or vice versa), standing on it's 2 squating legs and it's expression looks eviler. and it's tail is non-existent.
(Someone expand on this please)
[/spoiler]
[spoiler=Grass:]
Youngest version.
Basically this except green [spoiler](http://twostreetsjewelry.com/shop/images/big%20lizard1.jpg)[/spoiler]
1st Evolution:
Basically the other pic I provided, except the mohawk thingy is smaller, it is standing on 2 feet. Spiky little things along it's chin and below are not there.
Final Evolution:
Bigger, mohawk thingy is bigger, the thing that is like the mohawk type things are also on the arms (Kinda like Gallade, except not). Spiky thing from the pic is there, kinda looking like a little goatee. Fighting stance of some kind.
[/spoiler]
Also, are we confirming the Peacock idea for the fire starter?
I like the Peacock Fire/Psychic idea.
The tail feathers are a perfect example.
JrDude, I think many of us want to do a FRILLED LIZARD.
Also here are some doodles I made. Bear with me because I made them in like a minute and had no idea what the intercourse I was drawing, so they look like complete poop. If I put more time and thought into my drawings they look 1,000,000 times better.
[spoiler=baby fire/psychic peacock](http://gyazo.com/d4abfd80c7c6e50754d01f7ba835c73c.png)[/spoiler]
Fire: Okay so while doodling intuitively I came up with this. A baby peacock chick... thing. It meditates on its one sturdy leg (rather than two frail legs) and uses the feather on its head to amplify its psychic power. The feather contains a single "eye" that I didn't know how to draw so I made a little smudge there. It keeps its two real eyes closed, and the top of its body is separated from the bottom by a line vaguely shaped like the tips of flames. Assume the top half of its body is a lighter color or something. Its "tail-feather-thing" right now is shaped like a single flame, like the flame on a candle. Assume this will expand into a huge inferno shape with evolution. Nothing on its body is on fire.
I scribbled this with the Fire/Psychic idea playing in my mind, but if we want we can just say that its Psychic powers haven't developed yet, so it hasn't gained the second type. It excels at Special attacks, is moderately bulky but not very fast. Also this is like a pre-pre-pre-alpha sketch so many things can potentially be changed.
I really couldn't think of anything specific for a Water/Dark frog thing, so I drew a colorless, featureless basic cartoony frog that I can add to. Trying to make it look better and less generic, I got frustrated and gave up. I need more ideas to work with. Oh, and we need to form its spots into some sort of pattern, even if it's stripes or something. I just don't know what. Again this base form is most likely just pure water so it shouldn't look too evil. It's horrid though.
[spoiler](http://gyazo.com/23533e74c91786439cd668863ac86533.png)[/spoiler]
I tried, but I can't quite draw a frilled lizard without any sort of reference (Yes, I did those two off the top of my head so I probably was off on my bird and frog biology) so I got nothing for Grass yet.
...they're actually not bad.
But the bird: I don't like the U shaped eyes, and where are it's wings? If it's only got one leg, what's it gonna fight with if no wings?
The one leg is reminiscent of hoothoot, but hoothooot actually has two legs. One is just tucked up. I'd say give it two legs so it can at least run.
Also: For the water type, I don't think we should make him evil, just mischievous. Why would any trainer want an evil starter?
Quote from: Cecil Harvey on April 14, 2011, 03:37:20 PM
...they're actually not bad.
But the bird: I don't like the U shaped eyes, and where are it's wings? If it's only got one leg, what's it gonna fight with if no wings?
The one leg is reminiscent of hoothoot, but hoothooot actually has two legs. One is just tucked up. I'd say give it two legs so it can at least run.
1. the eyes are closed. It's concentrating. Also I didn't want to mess with eye styles at the moment.
2. It used to have wings that tucked back by its tail. I erased them when dividing the body in half and forgot to draw them back in.
3. I said, it excels in Special attacks more. I guess early on it can fly toward things and/or Tackle into them.
4. If I give it two legs it will either be too generic, or too similar in leg style to Torchic, who is often depicted with one leg up. But I just got an idea. Maybe if I give it two V-shaped toes on its feet, pointed outward like > < or something. That way when it meditates or whatever, it can put its legs together to form a stable X shape. And the leg parts can be flat on one side, so when it puts its legs together it forms a circle. I don't know how to explain, but the cross-section of the leg would look like a half-circle.
Just a thought.
Evil looking was the idea, but not evil itself. Looks like he wants to do evil things, but not take over the world. If that makes any sense in the way I want it to.
The frog you drew looks good for the second line in the water family IMO.
Also, I really like the bird thing you drew, but again, doesn't look starter-ish. Though, the only reason is because it doesn't have an innocent looking face, it looks too concentrated. The second form can look that concentrated, but not the very first one. So far, all the starters lowest form looked cute an innocent.
Just make it look like a little cute bird, there is no psychicness implemented yet as it's first form is just pure Fire.
And a frilled lizard? That doesn't look like something that wants to kick your ass (fighting), looks like something that will get mad and spit in your face (Thank Jurassic Park for that image in my head). I think a frilled lizardish Pokémon should be either a fossil Pokémon, or a Dragon/Poison Pokémon.
Quote from: Chandelure on April 14, 2011, 03:50:08 PM
1. the eyes are closed. It's concentrating. Also I didn't want to mess with eye styles at the moment.
2. It used to have wings that tucked back by its tail. I erased them when dividing the body in half and forgot to draw them back in.
3. I said, it excels in Special attacks more. I guess early on it can fly toward things and/or Tackle into them.
4. If I give it two legs it will either be too generic, or too similar in leg style to Torchic, who is often depicted with one leg up. But I just got an idea. Maybe if I give it two V-shaped toes on its feet, pointed outward like > < or something. That way when it meditates or whatever, it can put its legs together to form a stable X shape. And the leg parts can be flat on one side, so when it puts its legs together it forms a circle. I don't know how to explain, but the cross-section of the leg would look like a half-circle.
Just a thought.
Re-add the wings. No matter what type of attacks it's using it needs something to use them with. Also, low level moves are normal type moves, I.E. Tackle, Peck, etc.
I'd say two legs with two toes each would be fine, or two feet that actually have talons instead of toes like Torchic.
Hm. With regards to the bird, I would imagine it would have one slightly long eye-tail, like instead of a ton of feathers like an adult it has one. I do like the one foot idea. I can use both when it's running or something. As it's evolution into second stage, it could have three eye-tails, stand on both legs and it's neck grows a bit and such. Final stage it has tons of eye-tails and looks like a fire-red peacock.
And I like the Toad idea, however I don't like the tail part of it. If I imagine it that way it just looks kind of odd...
Quote from: Nayrman on April 14, 2011, 03:56:49 PM
And I like the Toad idea, however I don't like the tail part of it. If I imagine it that way it just looks kind of odd...
Well, my idea was frog, which starts as a tadpole, but since all starters can walk on land, my mind combined frog and tadpole.
Quote from: JrDude 益 on April 14, 2011, 03:52:04 PM
Evil looking was the idea, but not evil itself. Looks like he wants to do evil things, but not take over the world. If that makes any sense in the way I want it to.
I said, and I quote: "It shouldn't
look too evil." I just don't think it should look too.... dark just yet.
QuoteAlso, I really like the bird thing you drew, but again, doesn't look starter-ish. Though, the only reason is because it doesn't have an innocent looking face, it looks too concentrated. The second form can look that concentrated, but not the very first one. So far, all the starters lowest form looked cute an innocent.
Just make it look like a little cute bird, there is no psychicness implemented yet as it's first form is just pure Fire.
If I open the eyes it will look adorable. Especially because I was imagining big, sparkly eyes <3 I just couldn't figure out exactly how to draw them.
QuoteAnd a frilled lizard? That doesn't look like something that wants to kick your ass (fighting), looks like something that will get mad and spit in your face (Thank Jurassic Park for that image in my head). I think a frilled lizardish Pokémon should be either a fossil Pokémon, or a Dragon/Poison Pokémon.
They use the... frills for intimidation. You saw my picture, that doesn't look like it wants to kick your ass? Okay, wow. Aggressive Frilled Lizards definitely look like they want to hurt you.
Also, frilled lizard a fossil? Wow, you're an idiot. Frilled lizards are still around TODAY. They exist. Why would they be only available in a fossil?
Quote from: Nayrman on April 14, 2011, 03:56:49 PM
And I like the Toad idea, however I don't like the tail part of it. If I imagine it that way it just looks kind of odd...
It's a baby frog/toad. Its tadpole tail is disappearing. I guess.
Quote from: Chandelure on April 14, 2011, 03:59:20 PM
Also, frilled lizard a fossil? Wow, you're an idiot. Frilled lizards are still around TODAY. They exist. Why would they be only available in a fossil?
Actually that was a brain fart. I meant the dinosaur thingy from Jurassic park that has the frillyness on the face like a frilled lizard.
[spoiler](http://archive.liveauctioneers.com/archive4/profiles-in-history/16511/0750_4_lg.jpg)[/spoiler]
Quote from: Chandelure on April 14, 2011, 03:59:20 PM
I said, and I quote: "It shouldn't look too evil." I just don't think it should look too.... dark just yet.
First form, no, look innocent, final form, yes, should look evil/mischievous.
Quote from: Chandelure on April 14, 2011, 03:59:20 PM
They use the... frills for intimidation. You saw my picture, that doesn't look like it wants to kick your ass? Okay, wow. Aggressive Frilled Lizards definitely look like they want to hurt you.
To me, it looks like it wants to hurt you with spit.
Quote from: Chandelure on April 14, 2011, 03:59:20 PM
It's a baby frog/toad. Its tadpole tail is disappearing. I guess.
This is
basically the image in my head.
[spoiler](http://t3.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcSzSH1pFoARGayYcXyrkmgYGOr_nG8LSLUsoswvXbslpm50XUYv-g&t=1)[/spoiler]
Hm. I just don't like the lizard idea for the grass starter. I think my fox with long tail would work better. It opens up for some more kicking and tail fighting moves instead of the usual "punch it" moves. It's really long tail could be use as a substitute for punching. That's just me though. :P
Oh, I see what you guys mean about the frog, but I want to see a drawing of it before I'm fully on board with the idea though.
Quote from: Nayrman on April 14, 2011, 04:11:43 PM
Hm. I just don't like the lizard idea for the grass starter. I think my fox with long tail would work better. It opens up for some more kicking and tail fighting moves instead of the usual "punch it" moves. It's really long tail could be use as a substitute for punching. That's just me though. :P
I like the lizard, but not the frilled lizard. The image in my head looks awesome, but I can't draw well at all.
I like my fox with long tail idea. It can use the tail as a whip-like weapon and it can add a lot of other fighting type moves to the mix. In addition it can have a lot of the kicking moves fighting types get like double-kick. Not to mention lizards always seem to scream poison type for some reason.
Quote from: Nayrman on April 14, 2011, 04:15:30 PM
I like my fox with long tail idea. It can use the tail as a whip-like weapon and it can add a lot of other fighting type moves to the mix. In addition it can have a lot of the kicking moves fighting types get like double-kick. Not to mention lizards always seem to scream poison type for some reason.
Lizards also have tails, and they aren't super fuzzy so it would seem more threatening.
Though, of course we all like our own ideas, we just have to choose the idea that everyone likes the best, and I only see one person talking about Frilled lizards for starters, and one talking about the mohawk lizard who's name I don't know and others who aren't really saying which they prefer.
This sounds like something that needs a chatroom or something.
Chatroom? Perhaps.
But with the fox I was talking about a big, bush-like tail as big as it's body. It would grow longer as it evolves. I even came up with some moves it could learn on top of some other fighting moves like Double Kick and Brick Break.
Whip Crack: Physical, Fighting, 75 Damage, 100 Accuracy, PP: 10 - The user uses it's tail as a whip and cracks at the foe. Critical hits land more easily (it's like a fighting type slash I suppose)
Heavy Slam: Physical, Fighting, 70 Damage, 80 Accuracy, PP: 20 - (It would be learned somewhat early, like middle form) The user swings slowly but forcefully with the heaviest part of it's body. (for example, with the grass fox it'd be it's tail, for something like Machamp, maybe it's huge arms, so other pokemon could learn it).
Quote from: Nayrman on April 14, 2011, 04:15:30 PM
I like my fox with long tail idea. It can use the tail as a whip-like weapon and it can add a lot of other fighting type moves to the mix. In addition it can have a lot of the kicking moves fighting types get like double-kick. Not to mention lizards always seem to scream poison type for some reason.
Except lizards have tails too. And lizards always look more intimidating than foxes. And there so far isn't a single Frilled Lizard pokemon in existence.
But if we want a chatroom, there's always IRC. If we don't want to clog up #nsider, we can always use my test room. I don't mind. It's on irc.chatspike.net like #nsider. The room is called #LavenderTown
Quote from: Nayrman on April 14, 2011, 04:27:11 PM
Heavy Slam: Physical, Fighting, 70 Damage, 80 Accuracy, PP: 20 - (It would be learned somewhat early, like middle form) The user swings slowly but forcefully with the heaviest part of it's body. (for example, with the grass fox it'd be it's tail, for something like Machamp, maybe it's huge arms, so other pokemon could learn it).
A move with this exact name exists.
Well, it's not like I could remember all the attack names. We could call it something else.
And who says it has to be intimidating? It's final form could be serious looking. But last I checked Meganium wasn't the least bit intimidating...
Quote from: Nayrman on April 14, 2011, 04:32:25 PM
Well, it's not like I could remember all the attack names. We could call it something else.
And who says it has to be intimidating? It's final form could be serious looking. But last I checked Meganium wasn't the least bit intimidating...
It also wasn't Fighting type, and it wasn't supposed to be intimidating. Its movepool contained tons of support moves, and its stats were defensively based. It wasn't made to be intimidating at all.
(http://img.pokemondb.net/artwork/conkeldurr.jpg)
- explain to me how this is intimidating then? It's got a clown nose and looks stoned. And it'll only look fox-like in it's first form. It can look way more intimidating if we work on it's final form. *looks at Shinx to Luxray on how it went from cute to intimidating*
It seems as though the Water and Fire types are set in stone.
Before we move on to other pokemon, I want to discuss the legendaries. Legendaries can make or break the whole thing.
I don't wanna go overboard with them (see gen4 and 5).
I wanna have a trio, a "leader" of the trio, and a secret pokemon. Back to the roots.
We've had the bird trio, the beast trio, and the golem trio.
Food for thought:
Aquarian trio. Three massive water creatures. Whale, Shark, something. Maybe all whales. All Water/Something.
Moby Dick - Water/Ice - The White Whale.
Megalodon - Water/??? - Giant Shark
???
The legendaries sometimes have something to do with the theme of the story or at least with the bad guys' group. At least from Gen 3 onwards. Perhaps we should come up with the story before we come up with legendaries?
Quote from: Nayrman on April 14, 2011, 04:42:59 PM
The legendaries sometimes have something to do with the theme of the story or at least with the bad guys' group. At least from Gen 3 onwards. Perhaps we should come up with the story before we come up with legendaries?
Negative. We're making a Pokedex, not a game.
Whale, Shark, Dolphin. I like it alot.
Whale would be bulky, Shark would be offensive, Dolphin would be speedy.
Legendaries:
3 big legendaries. 1 for each "Game." (EX: Dialga, Palkia, Giratina) (I know we're not making a game, but this should still be done)
1 Legendary that is small cute and flies (EX: Mew, Celebi, Manaphy)
3 for a trio, either sharing species or sharing types (or both)
Rob wants a leader of the trio, and I don't disagree so there's 1 more.
And then 1 more Legendary that is just there and has nothing to do with anything, but is still legendary (EX: Mewtwo, Deoxys, Darkrai)
9 Legendaries? Sound good?
Also, if there's ever a chat, someone who has nothing to do with this should be the head of chat so no one can just ban or silence because someone disagrees with what they said.
Quote from: Nayrman on April 14, 2011, 04:36:52 PM
(http://img.pokemondb.net/artwork/conkeldurr.jpg)
- explain to me how this is intimidating then? It's got a clown nose and looks stoned. And it'll only look fox-like in it's first form. It can look way more intimidating if we work on it's final form. *looks at Shinx to Luxray on how it went from cute to intimidating*
Che cazzo, I didn't say ALL fighting-types have to look intimidating. I just thought that's what we were going for with the Grass starter.
Though I personally find 2 giant stones that he can easily pick up with one hand intimidating, especially when it has 2.
Regardless, I like the idea of an intimidating look.
To me, most starters are intimidating in their final form anyway.
Charizard and Blastoise will intercourse your poop up while Venusaur will crush you.
Feraligatr is a huge motherintercourse er and Typhlosion looks angry. Meganium isn't scary.
Blaziken will kick the poop out of you. Swampert and Sceptile aren't very scary though.
Infernape and Empoleon are a tad frightening, while Torterra is also a huge motherintercourse er.
I have no opinions on gen 5
Third stages are generally intimidating, so why couldn't a wolf/fox like pokemon with fighting type moves? I'm just saying the "intimidating" point can be contested. *looks at the Timburr line's clown nose*
As far as legendaries go, I'd like something along the lines of a legendary ghost trio. The legendary trio are mostly "good natured" pokemon like the beasts from gen 2 or the three musketeers from this past gen, or the three not-Mews from Gen 4. I think having a more devious trio would be good. They wouldn't be outright evil but they wouldn't be the cute little critter or the awe inspiring trio. I dunno. The whale, shark, and dolphin sound kind of boring to me. I'll think about some basic designs to get the point across.
Perhaps the final, cute legendary could be a ghost/psychic type. Or the nice ghost of the trio that acts as a fourth member of it, but isn't necessarily related. I'm not sure about the others though.
#nsfdex is the irc channel, but I'd like alot of discussion to be thread based so we can all follow it.
irc?
We should talk about the starters and stuff there now so we can post more final results here without arguing.
I just thought of an idea.
How about, if the trio is just regular Pokémon? Except ancient. You find them training on their own, and then they end up being like, a new evolution of a Pokémon, except not because it takes centuries to reach the evolution requirements or something. Like, Maybe a Machamp was training in the mountains centuries ago, and you find it still training, and when you see it, it's basically a brand new Pokémon. Difficult to explain my idea exactly.
IDK, just an idea.
My idea is, if this is a trio, it should be 1 is a Pokémon that evolved twice already, 1 only evolved once, and 1 didn't evolve at all, and the "master" is a Legendary that trained, thus not even supposed to be able to evolve.
The idea is, regular Pokémon that trained enough to be considered "legendary." And all from different generations.
Quote from: JrDude 益 on April 14, 2011, 05:04:41 PM
I just thought of an idea.
How about, if the trio is just regular Pokémon? Except ancient. You find them training on their own, and then they end up being like, a new evolution of a Pokémon, except not because it takes centuries to reach the evolution requirements or something. Like, Maybe a Machamp was training in the mountains centuries ago, and you find it still training, and when you see it, it's basically a brand new Pokémon. Difficult to explain my idea exactly.
IDK, just an idea.
Except then they wouldn't be that rare. Like Feebas. Rarest thing ever in Gen III, suddenly Wi-Fi trade means everyone can get one effortlessly.
Also Nayr, the quickest way to get into the room is to use NSFCD's IRC clien- hurk we don't have it.
Go to http://irc.chatspike.net/webchat/ (http://irc.chatspike.net/webchat/) and enter your screenname in the first box and #nsfdex in the second.
Erm. Ok, I'm there.
Any thoughts on my ghost idea?
Quote from: Chandelure on April 14, 2011, 05:08:18 PM
Except then they wouldn't be that rare. Like Feebas. Rarest thing ever in Gen III, suddenly Wi-Fi trade means everyone can get one effortlessly.
Pokémon Like Genesect and Mewtwo, there's only supposed to be 1 of them since they were man-made. Yet there are (or will be) hundreds due to video game logic.
New idea sparked in Chat with Rob and Nayr. No one agreed on it, but what do you guys think?
Legendary horses.
Pegasus-based - Flying
Some water horse Rob mentioned - Water
Some demon horse Rob also mentioned - Dark
Also sort of based off of Zeus, Poseiden, and Hades.
I like the idea, what about you peeps?
In addition to Jr's idea, I had my ghost trio idea expanded.
Ghost/Flying Bat, Ghost Large Wolf, and Ghost/Water Phantom (Mist). Basically it's based on Dracula and the forms he can take (in various tales and media) The fourth could be a ghost/psychic witch, and be the cute legendary.
Pegasus is Zeus' horse.
Hippocamps are Poseidons horses.
Orphnaeus, Aethon, Nycteus, and Alastor are Hades' dark horses.
Strange. I'm not sure why, but I always thought that Pegasus belonged to Heracles.
Quote from: FruitFlow on April 14, 2011, 09:41:10 PM
Strange. I'm not sure why, but I always thought that Pegasus belonged to Heracles.
I think that was just the cartoon version, though I could be wrong. He was created by Zeus though.
Now that I think about it Nayr, those don't seem like they would be "legendary" to me, but more like Throh and Sawk type Pokémon. Though that may just be me.
So, we all up for the Legendary horses?
If so, the order would probably be:
Dark Horse
Water Horse
Pegasus (Fly Horse)
Because Zeus is God of Gods, and Hades was tricked by Zeus, which leaves Poseidon's in the middle.
Quote from: JrDude 益 on April 14, 2011, 10:01:18 PM
I think that was just the cartoon version, though I could be wrong. He was created by Zeus though.
Yeah, from what I recall in the cartoon it was given to him as a gift when he was a baby.
I am in chat again if people want to brainstorm or anything.
I feel that once we get the starters and legendaries down, all of the middle pokemon will be a breeze.
My only problem with the horses is that Flying/Water/Dark doesn't feel trio-y.
Maybe if it were Electric/Water/Fire
(Zeus, Poseidon, Hades).
Then it'd just be a rehash of Gen2 though.
Electric/Flying
Water/???
Fire/Dark
just for some variety?
Quote from: Cecil Harvey on April 14, 2011, 10:27:15 PM
I feel that once we get the starters and legendaries down, all of the middle pokemon will be a breeze.
My only problem with the horses is that Flying/Water/Dark doesn't feel trio-y.
Maybe if it were Electric/Water/Fire
(Zeus, Poseidon, Hades).
Then it'd just be a rehash of Gen2 though.
They're all so different from each other type-wise, that they work awesomely in my brain.
And anyway, nothing about Pegasus says electric to me.
And there are already 2 legendaries that are Electric Flying, both part of a trio, we don't need a 3rd, even if this is all fake.
Quote from: JrDude 益 on April 14, 2011, 10:31:57 PM
They're all so different from each other type-wise, that they work awesomely in my brain.
And anyway, nothing about Pegasus says electric to me.
Zeus' horse. Electricity.
A direct copy of Pegasus may be lame anyway. If things are *based* then it's cool.
IMO, I think Electric, Ice and Fire sound more suitable for the trios.
I mean think about it. These 3 elements are often in the same move branch alongside one another.
We have Thunder Fang, Ice Fang and Fire Fang.
And then there's ThunderPunch, Ice Punch and Fire Punch.
6 moves of different typings and names, but in the same branch.
The same could be said for the Metroid Prime games (minus 3)
Whereas there was Wave Beam (Electric), Ice Beam (Ice) and Plasma Beam (Fire)
I just wanted to throw my 2 cents on that.
Quote from: FruitFlow on April 14, 2011, 10:35:32 PM
IMO, I think Electric, Ice and Fire sound more suitable for the trios.
I mean think about it. These 3 elements are often in the same move branch alongside one another.
We have Thunder Fang, Ice Fang and Fire Fang.
And then there's ThunderPunch, Ice Punch and Fire Punch.
6 moves of different typings and names, but in the same branch.
The same could be said for the Metroid Prime games (minus 3)
Whereas there was Wave Beam (Electric), Ice Beam (Ice) and Plasma Beam (Fire)
I just wanted to throw my 2 cents on that.
Flying///Electric/Ice/Fire
Electric/Water/Fire
Rock/Ice/Steel
Psychic/Psychic/Psychic
Fighting///Rock/Grass/something
I like Water/Fire/Electric personally. Feels right.
But Pegasus WOULD be an electric type. Zeus sent Pegasus to bring him lightning and thunder. Plus, if he's a representative of Zeus, he has to have lightning.
If we're gonna base it off of it, then why make it electric? Isn't that just making it more of a copy of it?
So, it can be Flying/Ice? I mean, it is blue and white, both relating to ice. Though, then it doesn't seem like Pegasus anymore, regardless.
Then Dark/Fire and Pure water?
I just don't want to do what GameFreak has done, and do 3 things that are the same. (3 Fire fighting starters, now 3 electric flying trio legendaries?)
Quote from: JrDude 益 on April 14, 2011, 10:40:15 PM
If we're gonna base it off of it, then why make it electric? Isn't that just making it more of a copy of it?
So, it can be Flying/Ice? I mean, it is blue and white, both relating to ice. Though, then it doesn't seem like Pegasus anymore, regardless.
Then Dark/Fire and Pure water?
Ice makes no sense for Pegasus.
I know there are two Electric/Flyings already but who cares?
If we base it on those horses it makes sense.
And it makes it more trio-y.
Eh whatevs.
Grass/Rock/Steel don't seem very trio-y either, but everyone disagrees with me so we can go for it.
I actually meant Ice typing for the Poseidon horse.
The more I think about "Tri Attack" the more I want them to be Electric, Ice and Fire.
Also, if we end up not giving them part Flying we could always give them the "Levitate" ability.
Quote from: FruitFlow on April 14, 2011, 10:48:25 PM
I actually meant Ice typing for the Poseidon horse.
The more I think about "Tri Attack" the more I want them to be Electric, Ice and Fire.
Also, if we end up not giving them part Flying we could always give them the "Levitate" ability.
Pegasus is a flying horse, there isn't much to him other than flying. He is getting that typing.
Also, Poseidon has nothing to do with Ice, just water.
And I'm pretty sure a Fishhorse and a demonic horse cannot fly/levitate, so it isn't needed.
Quote from: JrDude 益 on April 14, 2011, 10:50:39 PM
Pegasus is a flying horse, there isn't much to him other than flying. He is getting that typing.
Also, Poseidon has nothing to do with Ice, just water.
And I'm pretty sure a Fishhorse and a demonic horse cannot fly/levitate, so it isn't needed.
Well then, I guess Rob's would be a better choice then.
So...
Dark/Fire
Water
Flying/Electric?
Moltres, Zapdos, Articuno - Lugia
Suicune, Entei, Raikou - Ho-Oh
Regice, Regirock, Registeel - Regigigas
Dialga, Palkia, Giratina - Arceus
Keldeo, Virizion, Terrakion - Cobalion
How about:
Hades, Poseidon, Demeter - Zeus
Fire, Water, Grass - Flying
Would be the first Fire/Water/Grass legendary trio.
Would fit perfectly.
Zeus is God of Gods, after all.
Flying/Electric
Water/???
Dark/Fire
The water feels somewhat incomplete having only one typing while the other two get 2.
Quote from: Cecil Harvey on April 14, 2011, 10:57:15 PM
How about:
Hades, Poseidon, Demeter - Zeus
Fire, Water, Grass - Flying
Would be the first Fire/Water/Grass legendary trio.
Would fit perfectly.
LOL. We posted at the same time.
That actually could work out.
Quote from: FruitFlow on April 14, 2011, 10:57:56 PM
Flying/Electric
Water/???
Dark/Fire
The water feels somewhat incomplete having only one typing while the other two get 2.
Look at one of the latest Trios.
Electric/Flying
Flying
Ground/Flying.
So Water seems fitting to be alone.
I still want darkness to be part of the Hades horse though, even with Rob's working idea. Though we don't have to have it have Dark. Though I think it still should look dark (black), especially since we already have a fire horse (Ponyta/Rapidash)
Quote from: JrDude 益 on April 14, 2011, 11:06:18 PM
Look at one of the latest Trios.
Electric/Flying
Flying
Ground/Flying.
So Water seems fitting to be alone.
I still want darkness to be part of the Hades horse though, even with Rob's working idea. Though we don't have to have it have Dark. Though I think it still should look dark (black), especially since we already have a fire horse (Ponyta/Rapidash)
I thought the Grass, Rock and Steel were the 5th Gen Trios, and Tornadus and Thundurus were just the roamers like Latios and Latias since they were version exclusive.
Quote from: FruitFlow on April 14, 2011, 11:14:36 PM
I thought the Grass, Rock and Steel were the 5th Gen Trios, and Tornadus and Thundurus were just the roamers like Latios and Latias since they were version exclusive.
They look 95% the same, I consider them a trio.
(Though I guess trios never looked 95% the same, only duos, but regardless!)
Quote from: JrDude 益 on April 14, 2011, 11:06:18 PM
Look at one of the latest Trios.
Electric/Flying
Flying
Ground/Flying.
So Water seems fitting to be alone.
I still want darkness to be part of the Hades horse though, even with Rob's working idea. Though we don't have to have it have Dark. Though I think it still should look dark (black), especially since we already have a fire horse (Ponyta/Rapidash)
Black horse, fire spewing everywhere, evil eyes, no horn.
Quote from: JrDude 益 on April 14, 2011, 11:15:41 PM
They look 95% the same, I consider them a trio.
(Though I guess trios never looked 95% the same, only duos, but regardless!)
The only difference to me with the 3 are the heads and tails. (Oh look a pun)
But other than that they do look pretty identical.
The colors are different too, but that's fairly obvious, lol.
Quote from: Cecil Harvey on April 14, 2011, 10:57:15 PM
How about:
Hades, Poseidon, Demeter - Zeus
Fire, Water, Grass - Flying
Also, what's funny is that they all have a 4x weakness to different typings. All of which Flying alone is weak to:
Fire/Flying - 4x Rock
Water/Flying - 4x Electric
Grass/Flying - 4x Ice
Not that it's bad or anything, but it is very funny.
What are you talking about? These ones aren't all flying types.
Design ideas for the pokemon we have down:
Fire: Starts as a baby Peachick similar to what kockmongler drew, but with wings. Also, open the eyes up.
Fire2: Make it bigger, longer neck , and a larger set of tailfeathers.
Fire3/Psychic: Full sized peacock with a full set of firey tailfeathers, with the psychic eyes opened wide. Elegant and intimidating at the same time.
Name?
Peacocks are of the Pavo genus. I don't know how to work with it.
Water: Small, happy, blue frog with black spots.
Water2: Slightly larger blue frog with a mischevious grin. The black spots are growing larger, signifying the darkness is taking over.
Water3/Dark: Larger frog, heavier. Now it's got a distinct look of intimidation, and the black spots have mostly taken over, blending the blue into purple.
Name?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dendrobates_azureus Wat
Electric: Gerbil or Hamster, probably hamster. It's fur is puffed out from static. It has those Pikachu/Emolga/Pachirisu eyes and is a light orange. Stands on two feet.
Electric2: Larger Hamster/Guinea pig. Looks playful.
Oh, nevermind.
I thought the ending with the dash meant they were all dual Flying.
But Rob was using that for Zeus. XD
Indeed. So, kinda like the Cloud Triplets Gen5, shall the trio have genders? (All auto-male, except grass which would be auto-female) They don't need genders, just asking.
Also, for some of the main legendaries?
This should also be based on something, either myths or something like Yin/Yang (except not, since the idea is kinda taken?)
And for that random Legendary, I was thinking something based off of the Kraken maybe? (I like Greek history quite a bit, though not THAT much) Dark/Water?
Quote from: JrDude 益 on April 15, 2011, 12:31:56 AM
Indeed. So, kinda like the Cloud Triplets Gen5, shall the trio have genders? (All auto-male, except grass which would be auto-female) They don't need genders, just asking.
Also, for some of the main legendaries?
This should also be based on something, either myths or something like Yin/Yang (except not, since the idea is kinda taken?)
And for that random Legendary, I was thinking something based off of the Kraken maybe? (I like Greek history quite a bit, though not THAT much) Dark/Water?
I'd say Genderless.
I really don't think we need 3* Version exclusives. Dialga/Palkia/Giratina was a one shot thing. So let's only have two, like Lugia/Ho-Oh, Latios/Latias, and Thundurus/Tornadus.
It's not that they're version exclusive, it's just the cover of "the third game" and possibly a Pokémon that has 2 different forms (the second form being for "the third game," while the regular form looks barely related to the first 2). Because, Giratina was available in all 3 games, just got a new form for it's own game. It was basically Rayquaza. (Thus making it, so far, a 2 time thing)
Also, can you have a link to chat on the first post?
Hey Rob.
I have 2 sketches of the gerbil, but I'm going to redo them since I just came up with a much better image.
I'll post the sample tomorrow after school, and you can give me your opinion on it.
Quote from: JrDude 益 on April 15, 2011, 12:41:23 AM
It's not that they're version exclusive, it's just the cover of "the third game" and possibly a Pokémon that has 2 different forms (the second form being for "the third game," while the regular form looks barely related to the first 2). Because, Giratina was available in all 3 games, just got a new form for it's own game. It was basically Rayquaza. (Thus making it, so far, a 2 time thing)
Also, can you have a link to chat on the first post?
I still don't like it. 9 Legendarys is alot for me. Meh.
1 less is better?
Quote from: JrDude 益 on April 15, 2011, 12:56:11 AM
1 less is better?
Much.
Gen 1 had 5.
Gen 2 had 6.
Gen 3 had 10. Too many.
Gen 4 had 15. Way too many.
Gen 5 had 12. Way too many.
9 is too many.
8 is borderline.
7 would be preferable.
Trio and Leader
Version Exclusive x2
Cute secret.
7.
No more are needed.
Speaking in odd language.
We still need the Mew of this gen (Cute secret), the Mewtwo, And the Ho-oh/Lugia (Version exclusive x2)
So 8 is my minimum. I still prefer 9, but 8 will work. The Pegasus can be the "Third game" cover guy.
Now that I think about it, since this is the "NSFCD Dex" We should have one of the main legendaries be based off the leader of NSF, and the leader of FCD.
So me Silverhawk, can be some epic hawk with moves that cause masive breakage, and some guy from FCD (Who owned that?)
Quote from: JrDude 益 on April 15, 2011, 01:05:44 AM
Speaking in odd language.
We still need the Mew of this gen (Cute secret), the Mewtwo, And the Ho-oh/Lugia (Version exclusive x2)
So 8 is my minimum. I still prefer 9, but 8 will work. The Pegasus can be the "Third game" cover guy.
Now that I think about it, since this is the "NSFCD Dex" We should have one of the main legendaries be based off the leader of NSF, and the leader of FCD.
So me Silverhawk, can be some epic hawk with moves that cause masive breakage, and some guy from FCD (Who owned that?)
"The Mewtwo" is unnecessary with the version exclusives. Ho-Oh and Lugia WERE the Mewtwo of Gen2.
We'll see with other opinions other than our own.
Overdoing Legendaries is just killing the whole thing. Gens 3.4.5 were overkill.
I'm not opposed to a Steel/Flying Silverhawk.
Not really, overdoing it is just overdoing it, it doesn't really change the epicness except there's just 1 or 12 more.
Like I said though, group effort, neither you nor me shall decide, but people will just say some things and others have to agree or disagree.
Steel/Flying Silverhawk
Description: A shiny silver hawk, with some spots on it's beak.
Movepool:
Take Down
Disable
Rage
Self-Destruct
Amnesia
Explosion
Scary Face
Outrage
Brick Break
Shadow Break
Slack Off
Iron Head
Techno Blast
...I can't think of any others.
Frustration
Pay Day
Present
Confusion
Snarl
Perish Song
Substitute
Ability: IDK
DW Ability: Clear Body
Okay, Gen III was not quite overdoing it -- it was borderline. A minor trio, as is tradition, a cover legendary trio, as what became tradition, and a duo, not counting the event exclusives. And you could only get 6 of them on one game: The three Golems, One of the Eon duo, Rayquaza, and the cover legendary from your game (unless you're playing Emerald)
It wasn't overdone until Gen IV when they threw in a bunch of extras you get after the Elite Four, like a second roamer (Cresselia), something that has no backstory whatsoever (Heatran), etc.
Also to clarify about Gen V... The genies are not the trio. They are A trio, but their meeting conditions are entirely different. The minor trio, what's in question here, is Cobalion, Terrakion, and Virizion. All three are found in three different places on three corners of the region, and are all caught at fairly low levels (below 50).
The genies work different. One per game, it roams, and there's a third that's more of a Trio master like Lugia but internally.
Also, why give the silver hawk Techo Blaster? It's already a signature move on something than can make use if it, if we gave it that move we'd imply that it has at least a few different forms.
Quote from: Chandelure on April 15, 2011, 03:48:05 AM
Okay, Gen III was not quite overdoing it -- it was borderline. A minor trio, as is tradition, a cover legendary trio, as what became tradition, and a duo, not counting the event exclusives. And you could only get 6 of them on one game: The three Golems, One of the Eon duo, Rayquaza, and the cover legendary from your game (unless you're playing Emerald)
It wasn't overdone until Gen IV when they threw in a bunch of extras you get after the Elite Four, like a second roamer (Cresselia), something that has no backstory whatsoever (Heatran), etc.
Also to clarify about Gen V... The genies are not the trio. They are A trio, but their meeting conditions are entirely different. The minor trio, what's in question here, is Cobalion, Terrakion, and Virizion. All three are found in three different places on three corners of the region, and are all caught at fairly low levels (below 50).
The genies work different. One per game, it roams, and there's a third that's more of a Trio master like Lugia but internally.
Also, why give the silver hawk Techo Blaster? It's already a signature move on something than can make use if it, if we gave it that move we'd imply that it has at least a few different forms.
I gave it to him because he likes Techno music?
I'm still in school right now, but I just wanted to make a suggestion on Silver's ability.
If we're basing this off of his personality shouldn't one of his abilities be either Broken Armor or Klutz?
Everyone should know why.
I thought of things like that, but as a legendary I thought he should either get his own unique ability, or a more "I'm legendary" ability.
Ability: Super-Break
Description: Upon entering the battle, all of the opposing Pokemon's moves PP are reduced by 75%.
Ok, from what I gather we seem pretty good on the horse legendary trio? While I prefer my ghost idea, perhaps they could be the minor trio. Since we just got an America inspired region, perhaps our region could be European inspired, since we have the Greek horses and the European horror in the minor trio. I think that'll work nicely.
You forgot Teeter Dance.
Also an ability could be Simple :3
Quote from: Nayrman on April 15, 2011, 01:53:50 PM
Ok, from what I gather we seem pretty good on the horse legendary trio? While I prefer my ghost idea, perhaps they could be the minor trio. Since we just got an America inspired region, perhaps our region could be European inspired, since we have the Greek horses and the European horror in the minor trio. I think that'll work nicely.
No minor trio no minor trio no minor trio no minor trio no minor trio no minor trio no minor trio no minor trio no minor trio no minor trio no minor trio no minor trio
Cap the legendarys at 8, PLEASE.
We can still make your ghosts, just not legendarys.
PLEASE.
Trio+Leader
Cute Secret One
Version Exclusive x2
AND IF YOU MUST
One extra.
Nayr, your trio can be similar to the monkeys? You know, they were basically a trio.
For all your other "legendary" ideas, we should just keep it for regular Pokémon. Kinda maybe like a Seviper vs. Zangoose type of thing?
Quote from: JrDude 益 on April 15, 2011, 03:03:40 PM
Nayr, your trio can be similar to the monkeys? You know, they were basically a trio.
For all your other "legendary" ideas, we should just keep it for regular Pokémon. Kinda maybe like a Seviper vs. Zangoose type of thing?
YES. I LIKE THIS THOUGHT PROCESS.
Say #'s 67-69 are your Ghost Trio.
Ghost/Water, Ghost/Fire, Ghost/Flying, was it?
Ghost/Flying Bat, Ghost Wolf, and Ghost/Water Phantom Mist thing...
Quote from: Cecil Harvey on April 15, 2011, 02:58:49 PM
No minor trio no minor trio no minor trio no minor trio no minor trio no minor trio no minor trio no minor trio no minor trio no minor trio no minor trio no minor trio
Cap the legendarys at 8, PLEASE.
We can still make your ghosts, just not legendarys.
PLEASE.
Trio+Leader
Cute Secret One
Version Exclusive x2
AND IF YOU MUST
One extra.
No minor trio? No, we ONLY need a minor trio. How many times do I- actually, let me explain better.
"Minor trios" are slightly less powerful than all other legendaries. They are often (Actually always) available before battling the Elite Four: All three of them. I'm talking about the birds, the Burned Tower beasts, the golems, the Lake Guardians, as well as the Fighting trio. That's what we're doing: no godlike appearances like Groudon or whatever.
Okay maybe Minor Trio is a weird name for it but this is what I mean.
OTHER trios include the cover legendary trios, like Kyogre/Groudon/Rayquaza or Dialga/Palkia/Giratina, as well as what-the-intercourse -are-they-doing trios like Tornadus/Thundurus/Landorus.
Here's my idea for legendaries:
A "minor trio" i.e. what would be pre-Elite Four trio if this were a game.
A "cover legendary trio," in which two of them would be your "Version Exclusives" and the third would be like Rayquaza was.
Then:
A Minor Trio Master, MAYBE. This hasn't happened in the past, Trio Masters usually either come a generation or two later or have another role, wither by being one of the Cover Legends (Ho-Oh) or part of a trio itself (these trios being like the RSE trio, in which Rayquaza was internally the "master"). But if we want something leading the "Pre-E4 Trio" than maybe.
OR
An unobtainable event Pokemon: Like Mew, Celebi, Victini, etc. I wouldn't worry too much about this, but if we want to make one for fun then why not.
OR
Something extra, maybe having a completely separate backstory. I'd be partially against this idea. Mentioning it for the sake of arguments and having a third option just because, but I wouldn't go with this idea.
This would cap us at 7 legendaries, or 8 including the "event Pokemon" in addition to a Trio Master. I don't think we should make the Trio Master a member of the Cover Legend trio... it should be something separate. To me 7-8 is a comfortable amount. What do you guys think?
The horse trio is the minor trio. These are basically the legendary birds/beasts/golems/fairythings/fighters of this dex.
The Silverhawk is part of the "Major trio" except without the trio part. It is the "cover Pokémon." Basically Ho-oh.
We still need the second "cover Pokémon," or Lugia, and since the first one was based off the leader of NSF, I was thinking the second should be based off the leader of FCD, whoever that was. Was it Vaatix?
If our cover legendary is going to be a hawk it better be one fancy-ass hawk.
All I'm picturing is Skarmory which is technically neither silver nor a hawk (okay silver-COLORED but bleh)
...mixed with Braviary which is still not a hawk, it's an eagle.
Nothing has really been confirmed, mostly jokes to insult Silver has been discussed. They can all be implemented, sure, but an actual look hasn't been said.
It doesn't even have to be steel, it can be a giant hawk that's silver, but is Grass type. (Probably not, but I'm just saying). Rob just thought "Silver? STEEL IS SILVER LET'S MAKE HIM STEEL TYPE!" Which is an easy thing to do, but actually doesn't seem very "legendary-ish" to me.
Maybe Silver could decide his type?
After we discuss the second main legendary, we should get on chat and discuss the Grass starter animal, as there's 3 different things people want, and us arguing over it through slow pased posts was getting us nowhere. So was arguing over the 3 animal thing, and after it was discussed in chat a bit, we got a new good idea that works for everyone.
Also, link to chat in first post please.
When I freaked about him saying Minor Trio, it was because I thought he was saying "Horse trio AND Ghost trio"
Also we should call them something more fancy. The Steed Trio? :3
As for Silverhawk: Steel makes the most sense personally, and it'd be nice. The hard part is figuring out the counter. A Silverhawk and... what? A Mackerel? (dohohoho)
The jack-ass trio? Makes sense forum-wise.
3 jackasses were discussing trios, it got to 3, then a fourth girlier jackass got in the mix, and then one of the original 3 came to a good conclusion with a fourth.
Quote from: Cecil Harvey on April 15, 2011, 04:06:20 PM
When I freaked about him saying Minor Trio, it was because I thought he was saying "Horse trio AND Ghost trio"
Also we should call them something more fancy. The Steed Trio? :3
As for Silverhawk: Steel makes the most sense personally, and it'd be nice. The hard part is figuring out the counter. A Silverhawk and... what? A Mackerel? (dohohoho)
You know what? For God's sake
Let's make Mack into a Water/Fire mackerel thing. I'm a little more okay with the type since it's a "Cover Legendary" and well, Fire is strong against Steel so it counters.
Quote from: Chandelure on April 15, 2011, 04:11:39 PM
You know what? For God's sake
Let's make Mack into a Water/Fire mackerel thing. I'm a little more okay with the type since it's a "Cover Legendary" and well, Fire is strong against Steel so it counters.
Was he leader of FCD? 'Cause like I said, that's what I was going for when I thought of Silver being a legendary.
Quote from: JrDude 益 on April 15, 2011, 04:09:12 PM
The jack-ass trio? Makes sense forum-wise.
3 jackasses were discussing trios, it got to 3, then a fourth girlier jackass got in the mix, and then one of the original 3 came to a good conclusion with a fourth.
Jackasses are Donkeys. These are horses.
Quote from: Chandelure on April 15, 2011, 04:11:39 PM
You know what? For God's sake
Let's make Mack into a Water/Fire mackerel thing. I'm a little more okay with the type since it's a "Cover Legendary" and well, Fire is strong against Steel so it counters.
BUT FIRE/WATER DOESN'T MAKE SENSE HURRDURRDURR
True, but the legendary beasts are often called legendary dogs, even though 2 are cats (lion, sabre tooth tiger, and some blue thing)
Soooooooo...
Anyway, it was a joke. For some reason Legendary Steeds doesn't sound awesome enough (Neither does horses, but yeah). Is there another word for horse?
LEGENDARY STALLIONS?!
Quote from: JrDude 益 on April 15, 2011, 04:15:12 PM
True, but the legendary beasts are often called legendary dogs, even though 2 are cats (lion, sabre tooth tiger, and some blue thing)
Soooooooo...
Anyway, it was a joke. For some reason Legendary Steeds doesn't sound awesome enough (Neither does horses, but yeah). Is there another word for horse?
LEGENDARY STALLIONS?!
Stallions works.
Someone suggested a moose for mack.
Wait. The joke is Silver breaks things, and the continuation is Mack (or Vaatix in the past) fixes them.
What fixes things Hawks break? or ruin? or fight with + lose to?
Now that I think more of it, even though I'm not a Vaatix fanboy like a bit number of the forum, many people consider Vaatix to be a "legend" here, so should he be it instead?
Except no animal fits Vaatix in any way that will allow us to accurately represent him while making sure it actually can be recognized as Vaatix.
>Vaatix
>>VaatixGanon
>>>Ganon
>>>>Purple Pig?
Also, we need to discuss the grass starter. Preferably in chat and more than just me and Kaos.
Quote from: JrDude 益 on April 15, 2011, 05:48:23 PM
Also, we need to discuss the grass starter. Preferably in chat and more than just me and Kaos.
We didn't discuss it at all.
Quote from: Chandelure on April 15, 2011, 05:49:42 PM
We didn't discuss it at all.
Because I don't want to discuss it with only you, especially since you're very stuck on the idea of Frilled Lizard. You need a more open mind and think of more than just your ideas.
I would join you, but doing commentary for BSC. Can't really join right now. Perhaps tomorrow. :P
Quote from: Nayrman on April 15, 2011, 05:53:14 PM
I would join you, but doing commentary for BSC. Can't really join right now. Perhaps tomorrow. :P
Tell BSC and others who commentate with you who aren't obnoxious to join the forum.
the intercourse is a bsc
also I'm putting down Silverhawk as confirmed, and
[20:52] <Silverhawk79> rob, yes
[20:53] <Riddler> yes what
[20:53] <Silverhawk79> <Riddler> Steel/Flying typing makes sense, yes?
He's cool with Steel/Flying.
Brain Scratch Commentaries.
Nayr does LPs on a YouTube channel with 2 other nerds (and sometimes more nerds)
Quote from: JrDude 益 on April 15, 2011, 05:52:23 PM
Because I don't want to discuss it with only you, especially since you're very stuck on the idea of Frilled Lizard. You need a more open mind and think of more than just your ideas.
I'm pretty sure Rob wanted a Frilled Lizard too, and personally I see it as a great idea. It's a pokemon that has NEVER BEEN DONE BEFORE, which is why I like it.
Just because Rob wants it too, doesn't mean it wins. This isn't a presidential election, most votes doesn't win. We have to agree on something. More people disagree/are neutral (3+) than those who agree, which is 1 or 2. It's hard to pick with such a small amount of people who are doing any thought on it.
I intercourse ing GOT IT.
Do a mix of the Frilled and Mohawk lizard ideas.
The final form's frills will have grown into a beard of sorts while the mohawk has grown nice and thick.
Our Grass/Fighting Type?
[spoiler](http://digthatbox.com/sitebuildercontent/sitebuilderpictures/E32009/MrT.jpg)[/spoiler]
Rob, stop coming up with ideas. Because you are great at FIXING ideas.
Anyone like this besides me and Rob?
i'm a intercourse ing beaaast
Wanna be a Fight/Fire Mack? Don't have to, but flying beats fight, and fire beats steel, so you guys would be perfect counters of each other.
Also, is there an animal that exists that has 3 legs? (Mack is often referenced with House, who uses a cane, aka 3rd leg)
Another thing, something was said about the acne thing being used on the Silverhawkémon (if not said, implied), why not just a red beak? Some hawks have red beaks.
Or this type of thing
[spoiler](http://fineartamerica.com/images-medium/griffin-sight-melissa-a-benson.jpg)[/spoiler]
Quote from: JrDude 益 on April 15, 2011, 10:28:04 PM
More people disagree/are neutral (3+) than those who agree, which is 1 or 2.
Hahahaha, wow. You lost some credibility there. People are neutral, that means they haven't decided yet. Instead of pooling them into the "disagree" category, let's see what they think.
Jr, how come you're so full of ideas here but you wouldn't give me a single one when I asked you yesterday? Answer me that.
Mack >i'm a beassttt
>beast
>moose
ok.
Quote from: Cecil Harvey on April 16, 2011, 12:56:35 PM
Mack >i'm a beassttt
>beast
>moose
ok.
If you want to get technical, a moose is in a sense, a beast.
Not quite lion level but still a beast. Moreso than a cat.
Quote from: Chandelure on April 16, 2011, 08:23:15 AM
Hahahaha, wow. You lost some credibility there. People are neutral, that means they haven't decided yet. Instead of pooling them into the "disagree" category, let's see what they think.
Jr, how come you're so full of ideas here but you wouldn't give me a single one when I asked you yesterday? Answer me that.
Because we're on Starters & Legendaries right now. Lrn2payattention.
Also, my mind is less creative around dumbasses.
Quote from: JrDude 益 on April 16, 2011, 04:59:28 PM
Because we're on Starters & Legendaries right now. Lrn2payattention.
Okay this wasn't relevant to anything I said in that post. Lrn2payattention.
QuoteAlso, my mind is less creative around dumbasses.
How does that work? Unless it's someone other than yourself.
Quote from: Chandelure on April 16, 2011, 05:29:36 PM
Okay this wasn't relevant to anything I said in that post. Lrn2payattention.
We're speaking of the starters and legendaries right now, as they are some of the most important parts of a Dex. We still haven't even decided all of the starters and you're asking for new ideas.
Quote from: Chandelure on April 16, 2011, 05:29:36 PM
How does that work? Unless it's someone other than yourself.
Though this was said in a way that makes no sense, I understand what you're trying to imply.
You are indeed a dumbass. You ask for ideas, I give you ideas. You say "NO GIVE ME DESCRIPTIONS" then I give you link to Rob's descriptions, then you say "NO GIVE ME DESCRIPTIONS" Then I tell you I did, then you say "YOU HAVEN'T GIVEN ME ANYTHING I ASKED FOR" Then I tell you to click the Link and you say "He's not talking to me, he's talking to Kockmongler, HOW AM I SUPPOSED TO KNOW HE'S TALKING TO ME?" Then I tell you that those are the descriptions, it doesn't matter who he's talking to, if you want to draw something draw those, then you finally say "I WANT NEW IDEAS, GIVE ME NEW IDEAS" Then I say no, then you say "YOU'RE SO MUCH STUPIDER THAN I THOUGHT, GIVE ME IDEAS" K, here's descriptions of the horses, you say "GIVE ME NEW DESCRIPTIONS" Then I tell you to look up, you say "I CTRL + L I CAN'T SEE PAST THE LAST 2 MESSAGES BECAUSE I LIKE BIG SCROLLING BARS NOT SMALL ONES" So I give them to you again and you say "I DON'T WANNA DO LEGENDARIES" So I say something to shut you up. You complain more but that's enough of that in my post.
Dumbass.
I know we're speaking of starters and legendaries. ACTUALLY, I asked you for help designing the starters. You refused to give me any ideas, so your point there failed.
And I'm not going to bother reading that long whiny... thing. All I can see is you misquoting me and whining about me. Seriously, grow up. I'm trying to actually contribute to this the best I can, but before I go draw things I want as many ideas as I can get in order to create a Pokémon pleasing to the majority of the people working on this. So quit whining, and think about this more professionally. I actually want this project to be completed in full eventually, and I am extremely determined to do the best I can to help out. That's why I've offered to do most if not all drawings and even work on some sprites. And contribute some of the fake Pokémon I've created in my time. I'm going to weed out the best ones, first.
Give the link to the chat and I'll try to come up with some ideas with you. Provided it doesn't become a stupid "nuh uh!" "yea huh!" like last time. @_@
Quote from: Chandelure on April 16, 2011, 06:06:41 PM
I know we're speaking of starters and legendaries. ACTUALLY, I asked you for help designing the starters. You refused to give me any ideas, so your point there failed.
No you didn't, you said "Give me ideas." You were nowhere near specific.
Quote from: JrDude 益 on April 16, 2011, 06:02:09 PM
then I give you link to Rob's descriptions [of the starters], then you say "NO GIVE ME DESCRIPTIONS" Then I tell you I did, then you say "YOU HAVEN'T GIVEN ME ANYTHING I ASKED FOR" Then I tell you to click the Link and you say "He's not talking to me, he's talking to Kockmongler, HOW AM I SUPPOSED TO KNOW HE'S TALKING TO ME?" Then I tell you that those are the descriptions, it doesn't matter who he's talking to, if you want to draw something draw those, then you finally say "I WANT NEW IDEAS, GIVE ME NEW IDEAS"
Dumbass.
And even when I gave you ideas, and not Rob's descriptions, you were like "No, I want Frilled lizard, I'M PRETTY SURE ROB DOES TOO"
Quote from: Nayrman on April 16, 2011, 06:09:28 PM
Give the link to the chat and I'll try to come up with some ideas with you. Provided it doesn't become a stupid "nuh uh!" "yea huh!" like last time. @_@
I asked Rob to do this, but I guess he read over it several times, so if you look at the first page to my post, I made it easier for myself (and others who know of it)
Quote from: JrDude 益 on April 16, 2011, 06:09:49 PM
No you didn't, you said "Give me ideas." You were nowhere near specific.
Except no one can agree on anything. I asked for YOUR opinions, because believe it or not, I care to hear your opinion on these matters. Since there was so much debate in this thread, I decided "Eh intercourse , I'll just ask Jr here for his ideas and if I like them I'll draw sketches. In this empty chat room there are less conflicting ideas, and it will be easier to find a focus. I'll then present these ideas in the thread along with a sketch.. the visual aids might help people come to a decision."
But you wouldn't give me anything, so I didn't draw anything. I'm a bit disappointed I didn't get anything done, but whatever.
Anyone's opinion is useful to me, whether I like it or not. Try to remember that.
Well, I'm on that chatroom to discuss things if anyone wants to.
Quote from: Nayrman on April 16, 2011, 06:15:46 PM
Well, I'm on that chatroom to discuss things if anyone wants to.
Oh excellent. I'll get my metaphorical pencil and be right there.
Quote from: Chandelure on April 16, 2011, 06:14:58 PM
Except no one can agree on anything. I asked for YOUR opinions, because believe it or not, I care to hear your opinion on these matters. Since there was so much debate in this thread, I decided "Eh intercourse , I'll just ask Jr here for his ideas and if I like them I'll draw sketches. In this empty chat room there are less conflicting ideas, and it will be easier to find a focus. I'll then present these ideas in the thread along with a sketch.. the visual aids might help people come to a decision."
But you wouldn't give me anything, so I didn't draw anything. I'm a bit disappointed I didn't get anything done, but whatever.
Anyone's opinion is useful to me, whether I like it or not. Try to remember that.
No, you asked for descriptions (eventually), which no one has agreed with. And since you said "Everyone will accept my drawing whether they like it or not," I decided not to give my description since, even if you did draw it, you would keep it even though a lot of people might disagree with it.
Quote from: JrDude 益 on April 16, 2011, 06:23:58 PM
No, you asked for descriptions (eventually), which no one has agreed with. And since you said "Everyone will accept my drawing whether they like it or not," I decided not to give my description since, even if you did draw it, you would keep it even though a lot of people might disagree with it.
Because I said I would draw from their ideas. So if I draw exactly what the people want, they better like it.
I would show up to chat if I knew what the link was.
Quote from: FruitFlow on April 16, 2011, 06:44:33 PM
I would show up to chat if I knew what the link was.
Ugh.
Just to to irc.chatspike.net and type #nsfdex as the room if you aspire to join so badly.
I'm surprised not everyone knows about IRC chat, honestly.
Hey thanks a lot Nayr. Your ghost Eeveelution aggravated Rob so much he threw ME out of working on this.
Your stupidity got me to kick you out of the chat.
You seriously tried arguing that Shedinja is comparable to something evolving into a ghost, and that a Ghost type is BETTER than a Flying type Eevee.
You tried arguing that a Normal Type evolving into a Ghost, aka a living pokemon evolving into a dead pokemon, is comparable to a BYPRODUCT of another pokemon.
Your stupidity never ceases to amaze me yet it angers me to no end.
Nayr has nothing to do with this.
However, Nayr. What the hell is with your obsession with Ghosts?
LASTLY:
We're not talking about past evolutions til we're done with starters and legendaries. Got it?
Quote from: Cecil Harvey on April 16, 2011, 10:50:06 PM
Your stupidity got me to kick you out of the chat.
You seriously tried arguing that Shedinja is comparable to something evolving into a ghost, and that a Ghost type is BETTER than a Flying type Eevee.
You tried arguing that a Normal Type evolving into a Ghost, aka a living pokemon evolving into a dead pokemon, is comparable to a BYPRODUCT of another pokemon.
Your stupidity never ceases to amaze me yet it angers me to no end.
Nayr has nothing to do with this.
However, Nayr. What the hell is with your obsession with Ghosts?
LASTLY:
We're not talking about past evolutions til we're done with starters and legendaries. Got it?
Hey I know but no one gave me anything to work with on the starters and legends, since there's only one shot at each and you're all up in the air. It's best to get some things done NOW and let them sit, so we can use them when the time comes. Once you all agree on something, let me know and I'll design it. Until then, I have some near-complete ideas that only need to be physically sketched. And I'm not intercourse ing hurting anyone.
You have NO defense against a Ghost Eeveelution. What's your defense, maybe? Doesn't make sense? You're the one that ninnyed and whined that nothing had to make sense. That's why I brought up Shedinja. Suddenly a second life form splits from Nincada's DEAD exoskeleton? Now from this one pokemon, you have two. It doesn't make sense. I never said Nincada evolves into Shedinja. That wasn't my argument at all. Learn to figure out what I'm actually saying before you make a fool out of yourself. Kthx.
It's weird, you always insult someone to defend yourself, yet I never see it work. You always look like an idiot.
Quote from: JrDude 益 on April 16, 2011, 11:07:11 PM
It's weird, you always insult someone to defend yourself, yet I never see it work. You always look like an idiot.
I never insulted anyone there.
You call me an idiot
You say Rob's a fool
Find the insults win a $100 from Kaos!
Quote from: JrDude 益 on April 16, 2011, 11:09:34 PM
You call me an idiot
You say Rob's a fool
Find the insults win a $100 from Kaos!
To be fair, I DID say "make a fool out of himself," which is not so much of an insult as a saying meaning he made an error in conversation. Got a problem with my word choice? I hate using the same cliches in my writing, so I like to change things around a bit. However, things can be misinterpreted. That has got to be the biggest flaw in my writing I'm unable to control. If only the English language was broad enough to handle what I couldn't put into words, I'd have a much easier time.
I actually had a ground and flying type Eeveelution planned out, but we came up with Poison and Ghost instead.
And the ghost one makes sense, we're going for a pure ghost, it'll be white and called Wispeon. Secondly, what's WRONG with some ghosts? We have 150 spots or so left to come up with ideas. Besides, the last couple of pages I only see talk about what abilities Silver and Mack would have. At least I'm staying on topic and coming up with legitimate ideas.
Quote from: Nayrman on April 17, 2011, 06:52:22 AM
I actually had a ground and flying type Eeveelution planned out, but we came up with Poison and Ghost instead.
And the ghost one makes sense, we're going for a pure ghost, it'll be white and called Wispeon. Secondly, what's WRONG with some ghosts? We have 150 spots or so left to come up with ideas. Besides, the last couple of pages I only see talk about what abilities Silver and Mack would have. At least I'm staying on topic and coming up with legitimate ideas.
We're only working on Starters and Legendaries. Until they're done I'm uninterested in what comes between.
Furthermore, Flying/Rock/Ground Eevees would come before anything. Hell, I'd take Fighting , Bug, and Poison before Ghost.
Note for the future: If a stone didn't work on a Pokémon before, it isn't going to work ever, even in this dex. So no suggestions for "DUSK STONE TURNS EEVEE GHOST" or something. (That was just an example)
Also, I've got a bunch of creative ideas for Eeveelutions, so don't end up discussing that without me.
Another thing, anyone else like that Mr. T idea for the grass lizard starter? No one really said anything about it, and we're not moving on to Eeveelutions or any other creative ideas without these starters and all these legendaries, as discussion on those can and most likely will take a while since legendaries are so important.
Though, I almost suggest we completely ignore Eeveelutions. I like them and want to work on them, but GameFreak is basically doing them every other gen. And though I like this, eventually GF is gonna show us more Eeveelutions (I assume) and I don't want our ideas overlaped by theirs (Like, maybe we make a ghost one, and they ALSO make a ghost one?) By then our Dex will probably be dead for whatever reason (since there's still a fresh gen out there), but still.
Lastly, I'm not gonna be on today for a while. May I ask you don't 100% confirm anything without me? =X
I know you can, I just don't want you to.
Quote from: JrDude 益 on April 17, 2011, 09:42:22 AM
Note for the future: If a stone didn't work on a Pokémon before, it isn't going to work ever, even in this dex. So no suggestions for "DUSK STONE TURNS EEVEE GHOST" or something. (That was just an example)
Also, I've got a bunch of creative ideas for Eeveelutions, so don't end up discussing that without me.
I'd like to invalidate that last point.
Mamoswine evolves from Piloswine if you level Piloswine up while it knows the move AncientPower.
Likewise, Lickilicky evolves from Lickitung when Lickitung levels up knowing Rollout.
Mamoswine and Lickilicky were introduced in the 4th gen, and the two moves have been available longer than that. Piloswine can learn AncientPower as early as Generation II, and Lickitung can learn Rollout that early as well. So what I'm saying is, the methods existed completely. So your saying "It isn't going to work ever" is wrong. It has happened before, twice. If you need me to elaborate on this I will, since I'm having a hard time explaining this the way I want to.
Quote from: Cecil Harvey on April 17, 2011, 08:38:39 AM
We're only working on Starters and Legendaries. Until they're done I'm uninterested in what comes between.
Furthermore, Flying/Rock/Ground Eevees would come before anything. Hell, I'd take Fighting , Bug, and Poison before Ghost.
First of all, you don't have to worry one bit about what I'm doing. I'm just using the Eeveelutions as a filler until I get a definite idea on what we want for the starters. When that happens, I'll shift my full attention to the starters.
Also, what's wrong with the Ghost eeveelution? YOU don't have to work on it at all. This is entirely my doing here, and if you need to put zero effort into it, you shouldn't be worried. It's an extra Pokémon, which we'll need a lot of to fill this Dex up.
That being said,
I am cancelling all work on the Ghost Eeveelution. Frankly, I was a little shaky on the idea from the start. There was no way for Eevee to evolve into it at all. The only reason I thought about it was, well, as far as appearance I had a lot of ideas. I thought, "Why not make this into something for the time being? Maybe eventually once I complete it it will be accepted." Sadly though, I'm getting enough criticism on it, and even I myself wasn't fully supporting of the idea.
However, as it stands, I am continuing work on the Poison Eeveelution. I have so far named it Toxeon (From Toxic or Toxin and -eon). Mind you, this is a working title, just so I could refer to it as something other than "The Poison Eeveelution." The name can be changed in the future, since frankly it doesn't have as nice of a ring as some of the existing Eeveelutions' names.
Also, instead of the Ghost Eeveelution I will be designing prototype sketches for a Bug Eeveelution (Working title: Insecteon) and a Steel Eeveelution (Working title: Steeleon). The latter may be scrapped in favor of a Rock Eeveelution (Working title: Rockeon) or a Ground Eeveelution (Working title: Sandeon). I do not have a single idea for Sandeon, so suggestions are greatly appreciated. Rockeon I only have a few, so I could use those too. Hell, anything but Toxeon I need help on. Toxeon I'd like to present a sketch before you guys critique it, if you don't mind. Then I can tweak it.
Finally, I do hope you'll all use my working titles. I know they suck, but it's a much shorter way of referring to things, to be quite honest.
For the last time: We don't give a intercourse about Eevees right now.
We've given ideas for every Pokemon thus far.
Grass starter can be a combination of Frilled/Mohawk lizard that eventually becomes based on Mr. T.
Fire starter starts as a chick, grows larger and more Peacock like with a blazing tailfeather set and eyes in the feathers.
Water starter is a frog with black spots (maybe just a single black spot) that as it evolves, it grows larger and the black spots take over representing darkness.
The Electric Gerbil will be oragne, adorable, with Pikachu/Pachirisu/Emolga eyes, fur puffed out from static, and a long tail. Maybe whiskers shaped like lightning bolts.
Trio:
Fire Horse will be black with flames spewing from the body and evil/red eyes. Should look masculine.
Water horse will be based on the hippocamp, but instead of a tailfin I suggest putting a trident.
Grass horse will be more elegant, and will have flowers, vines, and/or fruits/veggies coming from it's body. Should look feminine.
Trio Leader:
Based on Pegasus. No real interest in it otherwise. White horse with wings.
Silverhawk:
If you can't figure this one out, you're retarded.
We're going with a Trio Leader? Alright, I'm okay with this I guess.
Alright, the Electric Gerbil is getting no attention from me. You said not to focus on anything other than Starters and Legendaries, and this is neither. If you'd like me to put thought in it, I will. Just say so.
As far as Silverhawk, I'd like people to contribute more features other than the fact that it's silver.. and a hawk. It's gotta be more unique than that, so I'll lower its priority until I get a little more on it.
EDIT: One more thing. You want the grass horse to be flowery and feminine? That's exactly what the Grass deer-thing of the Musketeer Trio is like. It's the grass type, also it appears to be openly gay and feminine. I don't know if you've noticed the heavy similarity here, but I have. But you're also suggesting extras like vines, so if you're okay with this, I am. It just seems like a hint of unoriginality.
Also Rob, any comments on my last post, about the Eeveelutions?
Quote from: Chandelure on April 17, 2011, 04:05:25 PM
We're going with a Trio Leader? Alright, I'm okay with this I guess.
Alright, the Electric Gerbil is getting no attention from me. You said not to focus on anything other than Starters and Legendaries, and this is neither. If you'd like me to put thought in it, I will. Just say so.
As far as Silverhawk, I'd like people to contribute more features other than the fact that it's silver.. and a hawk. It's gotta be more unique than that, so I'll lower its priority until I get a little more on it.
Also Rob, any comments on my last post, about the Eeveelutions?
Gerbil is the "New Pikachu" and thus is just as important as the others so as far as I'm concerned it's ok to work on it.
I didn't read the Eevee stuff because I told you, I'm uninterested in it right now.
Ok, forget this project then. This is getting more annoying than it's worth. Have fun guys.
Quote from: Cecil Harvey on April 17, 2011, 04:07:07 PM
Gerbil is the "New Pikachu" and thus is just as important as the others so as far as I'm concerned it's ok to work on it.
I didn't read the Eevee stuff because I told you, I'm uninterested in it right now.
I also edited that post you quoted with an extra point on the Grass legendary, and you don't appear to have seen it since you posted right as I finished the edit.
Also if you won't look at my post, others will. But here's a tl;dr you should read.
Ghost Eeveelution is cancelled.
Sticking with Poison.
Working on prototypes for Bug, Steel, Rock, and Ground.
I don't expect all four of those to succeed.
With that, you can put Eeveelutions at the back of your mind, but just so you know, they're there.
Quote from: Nayrman on April 17, 2011, 04:09:28 PM
Ok, forget this project then. This is getting more annoying than it's worth. Have fun guys.
Just because we can't find a place for all your Ghosts, you're leaving. Your choice.
In Nayr's defense though, Ghost is the least common of all 17 Pokémon types, with fewer Ghosts than any other type. So this may be why he wanted more, though where he was putting them wasn't the best possible place for them.
It's not the ghost thing, it's that this is nothing more than a bunch of people bickering, and nothing is getting done. I don't feel like wasting my time with this anymore. I thought it was a interesting idea at first if we could do this like GF does it, come up with ideas, pokemon and types and whittle it down and such. But no, it's a ninny-fest most of the time and we can't agree on anything. Sorry, but this is just getting frustrating.
Quote from: Nayrman on April 17, 2011, 04:15:09 PM
It's not the ghost thing, it's that this is nothing more than a bunch of people bickering, and nothing is getting done. I don't feel like wasting my time with this anymore. I thought it was a interesting idea at first if we could do this like GF does it, come up with ideas, pokemon and types and whittle it down and such. But no, it's a ninny-fest most of the time and we can't agree on anything. Sorry, but this is just getting frustrating.
Well, as you know, I'm incredibly passionate about doing this, so I'm going to have to agree with you. I wish Rob wasn't treating me the way he is, because all he's doing is blocking the ever-important flow of ideas and slowing production. I'm not even allowed in the chatroom on this thing.
So if you guys want to exchange ideas with me so I can draw them, hit me up in #LavenderTown.
Perhaps we should make a dex without Rob...
Quote from: Nayrman on April 17, 2011, 04:20:19 PM
Perhaps we should make a dex without Rob...
I'd gladly take over the responsibility, and allow all ideas to be considered. However, if I did, I'd be afraid of Rob just taking all our ideas for himself or something stupid like that. I just wish he wouldn't be so hard about this.
Doesn't matter what Rob does if we start our own. We'd be doing it for our own project, amusement, creative exercise, etc. If we do I'm taking my frog and Peacock ideas with me.
Quote from: Nayrman on April 17, 2011, 04:25:35 PM
Doesn't matter what Rob does if we start our own. We'd be doing it for our own project, amusement, creative exercise, etc. If we do I'm taking my frog and Peacock ideas with me.
I'm taking my drawings.
But really I don't want to start a Battle of the Dexes or anything. It's a cool project, just I wish it could have been under a more impartial host. I hope Rob lightens up a little. This is supposed to be fun,
I know it's supposed to be fun. if my ghost trio doesn't get used, no big deal. It's not like we're making a real pokemon game. I just like my ideas best. I just like coming up with my own pokemon ideas. geh...
Quote from: Nayrman on April 17, 2011, 04:29:54 PM
I know it's supposed to be fun. if my ghost trio doesn't get used, no big deal. It's not like we're making a real pokemon game. I just like my ideas best. I just like coming up with my own pokemon ideas. geh...
To be honest, I didn't like your idea of a shared-type trio. No one did. Cool, maybe. The single type though ruined it.
Funny, Articuno, Zapdos, and Moltres has a shared flying type. The not-mews were all psychic, and the beasts of Gen 5 all have fighting. :|
I'm trying to keep it organized and you g uys keep going off on tangents of other poop.
Starters and Legendarys first. That's all I'm asking.
Also, I liked the idea of a shared type trio, just not the Ghost trio. Didn't feel right. I wanted the Water trio, remember?
All of these other ideas can still be used. Just not now. We've got our starters and legendarys almost done, the others can be the Pokemon in the middle. Why is that a big deal?
The reason I'm nasty with Kock is because of the way he argues poop. The irrelevancy he adds into every argument annoys me to no end. I love debating poop, but I cannot stand stupidity.
Remember I wanted a Triceratops/Platypus/Frilled Lizard starter set and a Aquarian Trio? Hmm.. how many of those ideas are being used.... None. The Platypus will be put into the dex somewhere in the middle. I'm not whining and moaning about it like you guys are.
All I ask is to stick to the agenda: Starters and Legendarys. Once we get past that, it's basically open to anything.
Quote from: Cecil Harvey on April 17, 2011, 04:59:05 PM
I'm trying to keep it organized and you g uys keep going off on tangents of other poop.
Starters and Legendarys first. That's all I'm asking.
Also, I liked the idea of a shared type trio, just not the Ghost trio. Didn't feel right. I wanted the Water trio, remember?
All of these other ideas can still be used. Just not now. We've got our starters and legendarys almost done, the others can be the Pokemon in the middle. Why is that a big deal?
The reason I'm nasty with Kock is because of the way he argues poop. The irrelevancy he adds into every argument annoys me to no end. I love debating poop, but I cannot stand stupidity.
Remember I wanted a Triceratops/Platypus/Frilled Lizard starter set and a Aquarian Trio? Hmm.. how many of those ideas are being used.... None. The Platypus will be put into the dex somewhere in the middle. I'm not whining and moaning about it like you guys are.
All I ask is to stick to the agenda: Starters and Legendarys. Once we get past that, it's basically open to anything.
No, you won't accept any idea I give you. Sure the Ghost Eeveelution was pushing it, but still, you haven't listen to anything I've said. And funny, all my points have been relevant, yet you just twisted them into something different. Never assume you know what I'm going to say, because you'll be wrong. That's my warning to you.
Quote from: Chandelure on April 17, 2011, 05:02:48 PM
No, you won't accept any idea I give you. Sure the Ghost Eeveelution was pushing it, but still, you haven't listen to anything I've said. And funny, all my points have been relevant, yet you just twisted them into something different. Never assume you know what I'm going to say, because you'll be wrong. That's my warning to you.
I don't give a intercourse about your other ideas because all they are are non-starters/legendarys, and I'm not sure why what I'm asking is so impossible to grasp.
"Fire/Water makes no sense." - It's Pokemon, for starters. Remoraid and Octillery can use Fireblast and all fire Pokemon can fight in the Water, even Charmander who would die if his tail flame were to go out.
"A normal pokemon can't evolve into a Ghost pokemon? Well then how does Shedinja come from Nincada?" The stupidity in this statement literally makes me angry. Shedinja is not an evolution of Nincada, it's a byproduct. Anything beyond that, i.e. "HOW DOES A SHELL BECOME A GHOST" has nothing to do with the fact that it's not a Pokemon becoming a Ghost. I don't really care if an Eevee becomes a Ghost Eevee. However, a Flying/Rock/Ground Eevee should come before it.
Everything you say is irrelevant to the point being made. It annoys me that a person can be THAT stupid, whether it's in relation to this project or not.
Quote from: Cecil Harvey on April 17, 2011, 05:09:17 PM
I don't give a intercourse about your other ideas because all they are are non-starters/legendarys, and I'm not sure why what I'm asking is so impossible to grasp.
"Fire/Water makes no sense." - It's Pokemon, for starters. Remoraid and Octillery can use Fireblast and all fire Pokemon can fight in the Water, even Charmander who would die if his tail flame were to go out.
"A normal pokemon can't evolve into a Ghost pokemon? Well then how does Shedinja come from Nincada?" The stupidity in this statement literally makes me angry. Shedinja is an evolution of Nincada, it's a byproduct. Anything beyond that, i.e. "HOW DOES A SHELL BECOME A GHOST" has nothing to do with the fact that it's not a Pokemon becoming a Ghost. I don't really care if an Eevee becomes a Ghost Eevee. However, a Flying/Rock/Ground Eevee should come before it.
Everything you say is irrelevant to the point being made. It annoys me that a person can be THAT stupid, whether it's in relation to this project or not.
No, you fail to see what Shedinja is. Essentially one life form becomes two. The second force of life, this is Shedinja, spawns out of nowhere. I didn't say this to defend any point at all, I specifically remember asking you what you thought of it. Did you like how one life became two? Putting aside the fact that your paragraph there made no sense whatsoever, as you just called Shedinja an evolution of Nincada, why am I being regarded as an idiot for asking you your opinion? You couldn't even form a thought on "It made no sense how a second life form spawned, when Nincada's life is now in Ninjask" or "It's okay, I'm fine with this."
THAT's what makes me mad. You can't answer a simple question. All I wanted you to know was what you thought of it; I never said it was just like a Normal evolving into a Ghost. It annoys me how a person can be stupid enough to think that what I said meant something completely different. Wait no, I'm not stooping to this level.
Grow up and stop insulting everyone who's only trying to help you out.
Quote from: Chandelure on April 17, 2011, 05:22:38 PM
No, you fail to see what Shedinja is. Essentially one life form becomes two. The second force of life, this is Shedinja, spawns out of nowhere. I didn't say this to defend any point at all, I specifically remember asking you what you thought of it. Did you like how one life became two? Putting aside the fact that your paragraph there made no sense whatsoever, as you just called Shedinja an evolution of Nincada, why am I being regarded as an idiot for asking you your opinion? You couldn't even form a thought on "It made no sense how a second life form spawned, when Nincada's life is now in Ninjask" or "It's okay, I'm fine with this."
THAT's what makes me mad. You can't answer a simple question. All I wanted you to know was what you thought of it; I never said it was just like a Normal evolving into a Ghost. It annoys me how a person can be stupid enough to think that what I said meant something completely different. Wait no, I'm not stooping to this level.
Grow up and stop insulting everyone who's only trying to help you out.
I have no opinion on why a byproduct is a ghost. It's irrelevant to the argument of something evolving into a ghost.
Shedinja is not an evolution of Nincada so the entire argument is irrelevant to something evolving into a ghost.
Shedinja is not an evolution of Nincada so the entire argument is irrelevant to something evolving into a ghost.
Shedinja is not an evolution of Nincada so the entire argument is irrelevant to something evolving into a ghost.
Shedinja is not an evolution of Nincada so the entire argument is irrelevant to something evolving into a ghost.
Shedinja is not an evolution of Nincada so the entire argument is irrelevant to something evolving into a ghost.
What are you not intercourse ing getting?
Quote from: Cecil Harvey on April 17, 2011, 05:32:26 PM
Shedinja is not an evolution of Nincada so the entire argument is irrelevant to something evolving into a ghost.
Shedinja is not an evolution of Nincada so the entire argument is irrelevant to something evolving into a ghost.
Shedinja is not an evolution of Nincada so the entire argument is irrelevant to something evolving into a ghost.
Shedinja is not an evolution of Nincada so the entire argument is irrelevant to something evolving into a ghost.
Shedinja is not an evolution of Nincada so the entire argument is irrelevant to something evolving into a ghost.
What are you not intercourse ing getting?
Quote from: Cecil Harvey on April 17, 2011, 05:09:17 PM
Shedinja is an evolution of Nincada
You contradicted. I have no idea what you're trying to say.
Quote from: Chandelure on April 17, 2011, 05:34:34 PM
You contradicted. I have no idea what you're trying to say.
Typo'd. Further proof you're an idiot. You knew my argument and neglected to acknowledge a simple typo.
This is me locking this. I want ALL OF YOU to stop your discussion on this project for 24 hours. That's here. Via pm. On chat. MSN. Wherever. Keep your intercourse ing distance from one another or I'll smack each and every one of you. You're taking a fun project and turning it into a ninny-fest. I'll open this up later tonight.
Keep it civil now.
I was going to start drawing the whoreses but I was told not to yet. Anything I'm missing?
Nothing.
Fine. I'll just start drawing things tomorrow, 'k?
Just remember.
Grass Harvest Horse
Dark Evil Satanist Horse
Water Hose (Hippocamp)
Winged Flying Horse (Pegasus)
Quote from: JrDude 益 on April 18, 2011, 10:51:37 PM
Just remember.
Grass Harvest Horse
Dark Evil Satanist Horse
Water Hose (Hippocamp)
Winged Flying Horse (Pegasus)
that's very vague. But okay
Quote from: Chandelure on April 18, 2011, 10:58:29 PM
that's very vague. But okay
If we have a basic visual of what we want, we will be able to choose more things that we want on it.
Example: "Here's the flying grass dinosaur (Tropius) you wanted. Since it's a tall dinosaur you wanted, I referenced it's wings to the leaves of a tree." "OK cool, let's add some bananas to it's chin, that way we can more easily understand that it's part tree." "And put a little green helmet on it's head, because it looks too brown for the top of a Tree Pokémon"
Also. Idea for the Mackémon.
How about a centaur? Except, instead of half man, half horse, it is half man, half moose? Though not technically half man as it's a Pokémon, but basically based around a Moosey Centaur. This way, Mack can still be part fighting (and fire), but not seem like he's related the Fighting Trio of Gen 5, and still have his Canadian side be shown.
So? Likey or no likey?
Quote from: JrDude 益 on April 18, 2011, 11:20:00 PMThough not technically half man as it's a Pokémon, but basically based around a Moosey Centaur.
So basically like the "humanshape" Pokemon, right?
But part Moose of course.
Quote from: FruitFlow on April 18, 2011, 11:37:15 PM
So basically like the "humanshape" Pokemon, right?
But part Moose of course.
Yes. You know, kinda like Machoke is human shaped, but obviously not human.
I don't really like it, unless you put Moose antlers on the humanpart, which still would look weird opposing a hawk. I think a straight up moose would be fine.
We have four fighting Quadrupeds in Gen5. We can keep him a moose and make him fighting. I'm just not really big on him being a fighting anything.
Dead discussion?
We still need ideas for Mack.
We also need the Secret Legendary.
I'm not even sure where to begin on this one.
Quote from: Riddler_Robin on April 20, 2011, 03:47:16 PM
Dead discussion?
We still need ideas for Mack.
We also need the Secret Legendary.
I'm not even sure where to begin on this one.
Honestly? I don't think we should work on the secret legendary just yet. Working on them all at once makes it feel like we're rushing them.
I think we should get at least basic forms for a generic bird, a generic normal type, and maybe a generic water-type (a fish or something) before we do the "secret" legendary. Working on just legendaries is getting a little boring.
Quote from: Kondor on April 20, 2011, 03:50:05 PM
Honestly? I don't think we should work on the secret legendary just yet. Working on them all at once makes it feel like we're rushing them.
I think we should get at least basic forms for a generic bird, a generic normal type, and maybe a generic water-type (a fish or something) before we do the "secret" legendary. Working on just legendaries is getting a little boring.
Work on the starters then. I want a solid idea down for the legendaries before we move on.
Then the next subject will be past evos/prevos.
Quote from: Riddler_Robin on April 20, 2011, 03:52:26 PM
Work on the starters then. I want a solid idea down for the legendaries before we move on.
Then the next subject will be past evos/prevos.
....okay why? We REALLY should get more original ideas going before we do those. And let's not overdo it like GF did with Gen IV. Those were WAY TOO MANY evos.
Quote from: Kondor on April 20, 2011, 04:00:26 PM
....okay why? We REALLY should get more original ideas going before we do those. And let's not overdo it like GF did with Gen IV. Those were WAY TOO MANY evos.
Why not? I wanna get the tough stuff out of the way before we move to the easy stuff. Starters, Legendaries, Past Prevos/Evos. And the latter will be tough cause there are so many to choose from.
I think 2 from each generation for a total of 10.
And I will not budge on Farfetch'd. :3
Quote from: Riddler_Robin on April 20, 2011, 04:02:21 PM
Why not? I wanna get the tough stuff out of the way before we move to the easy stuff. Starters, Legendaries, Past Prevos/Evos. And the latter will be tough cause there are so many to choose from.
I think 2 from each generation for a total of 10.
And I will not budge on Farfetch'd. :3
TEN evos? Fuck? No. We don't need to do a by-generation basis. Gen I's been evolved to death by Gen IV, Gen II we should hit at least a few things from there, Gen III needs help, and Gen IV sucked so much I don't think we should even touch it.
We don't need ten. Maybe 4-6, not counting Eeveelutions, but even that's a stretch.
Quote from: Kondor on April 20, 2011, 04:04:37 PM
TEN evos? Fuck? No. We don't need to do a by-generation basis. Gen I's been evolved to death by Gen IV, Gen II we should hit at least a few things from there, Gen III needs help, and Gen IV sucked so much I don't think we should even touch it.
We don't need ten. Maybe 4-6, not counting Eeveelutions, but even that's a stretch.
Eevee definitely doesn't count.
Let's do the math.
We've got 3 starters x 3 = 9.
New Pikachu and evo = 11
Trio = 14
Trio Lead = 15
Silver/Mack = 17
Supersecretcutie = 18
How many do you think we should cap at? If we do 150, we still need 132 ideas. 10 of those won't kill it. Plenty of room for originals.
Quote from: Riddler_Robin on April 20, 2011, 04:06:51 PM
Eevee definitely doesn't count.
Let's do the math.
We've got 3 starters x 3 = 9.
New Pikachu and evo = 11
Trio = 14
Trio Lead = 15
Silver/Mack = 17
Supersecretcutie = 18
How many do you think we should cap at? If we do 150, we still need 132 ideas. 10 of those won't kill it. Plenty of room for originals.
If you want to rape them like Gen IV did, okay, but let's only start with one or two (besides Eeveelutions).. i want to get to the original ideas.
I'm fine with 2 evos/prevos from each gen.
But it is a good idea to get general ideas down for all the legendaries. Because if we want a specific animal, and the animal has already been used on a non-legendary, it looks weird.
Quote from: JrDude 益 on April 20, 2011, 05:13:14 PM
I'm fine with 2 evos/prevos from each gen.
But it is a good idea to get general ideas down for all the legendaries. Because if we want a specific animal, and the animal has already been used on a non-legendary, it looks weird.
General ideas? Sure. No major focus on details or anything, though. That way we can come back later with better ideas. If we finish them early, people have a tendency to consider them "done" and not think of any way to improve them, but if we leave them as mostly-clean slates for now people will be constantly thinking in the back of their mind ways to make them as good as possible.
That was quite the run-on, but you get my point hopefully.
Let's see... for the cutie floatie legendary.
We've had:
Ancestor of all Poké (Mew)
Time traveler (Celebi)
Wish Maker (Jirachi)
"Prince" of the sea (Manaphy)
And pop singer that controls feelings (Meloetta) and/or Lucky charm, always win with this Pokémon in hand (Victini)
All of them have a special role or can do something no other Pokémon can do.
Though a lot of other legendaries share this characteristic, we haven't really been thinking about that for any legendary yet. This would be a good first. Then the second can be the "Mewtwo" which can have the characteristic, just a different one than our cutie floatie.
Quote from: JrDude 益 on April 20, 2011, 05:26:14 PM
Let's see... for the cutie floatie legendary.
We've had:
Ancestor of all Poké (Mew)
Time traveler (Celebi)
Wish Maker (Jirachi)
"Prince" of the sea (Manaphy)
And pop singer that controls feelings (Meloetta) and/or Lucky charm, always win with this Pokémon in hand (Victini)
All of them have a special role or can do something no other Pokémon can do.
Though a lot of other legendaries share this characteristic, we haven't really been thinking about that for any legendary yet. This would be a good first. Then the second can be the "Mewtwo" which can have the characteristic, just a different one than our cutie floatie.
Meloetta isn't considered one since well, for one it doesn't share the trademark base 100 stats.
But you all seem to have forgotten to mention Shaymin.
Quote from: Kondor on April 20, 2011, 05:29:28 PM
Meloetta isn't considered one since well, for one it doesn't share the trademark base 100 stats.
But you all seem to have forgotten to mention Shaymin.
Shaymin doesn't float. It doesn't look like it fits so it doesn't.
Meloetta is considered in my book due to the fact that it floats like the rest do, but many consider Victini one so I considered it as well.
Quote from: JrDude 益 on April 20, 2011, 05:26:14 PM
Let's see... for the cutie floatie legendary.
We've had:
Ancestor of all Poké (Mew)
Time traveler (Celebi)
Wish Maker (Jirachi)
"Prince" of the sea (Manaphy)
And pop singer that controls feelings (Meloetta) and/or Lucky charm, always win with this Pokémon in hand (Victini)
All of them have a special role or can do something no other Pokémon can do.
Though a lot of other legendaries share this characteristic, we haven't really been thinking about that for any legendary yet. This would be a good first. Then the second can be the "Mewtwo" which can have the characteristic, just a different one than our cutie floatie.
I wouldn't consider Maeoletta (however you spell it) one of the secret cute ones. If you do that, you gotta consider Shaymin one. I'd say Mew, Celebi, Jirachi, Manaphy, Victini.
For some reason, I'm thinking some kind of dog. Mew is a cat. It's intercourse ing adorable. Why not a Chihuahua or something? :3
Quote from: JrDude 益 on April 20, 2011, 05:31:14 PM
Shaymin doesn't float. It doesn't look like it fits so it doesn't.
Meloetta is considered in my book due to the fact that it floats like the rest do, but many consider Victini one so I considered it as well.
Victini doesn't float. Logic flaw, sir.
Don't even say it can fly with its tail-wing-things (I don't know if it can or not, actually) because Shaymin has an alt form that's a Flying-TYPE. Point is, judging not on appearance alone, it's an event-only legendary Pokémon of a very small size with base 100 stats across the board. It fits.
Quote from: Riddler_Robin on April 20, 2011, 05:35:47 PM
I wouldn't consider Maeoletta (however you spell it) one of the secret cute ones. If you do that, you gotta consider Shaymin one. I'd say Mew, Celebi, Jirachi, Manaphy, Victini.
For some reason, I'm thinking some kind of dog. Mew is a cat. It's intercourse ing adorable. Why not a Chihuahua or something? :3
While Mew is apparently a cat, it's also resembles a baby or a fetus. We definitely need to mix a dog with something else if we do that.
Quote from: Kondor on April 20, 2011, 06:19:22 PM
While Mew is apparently a cat, it's also resembles a baby or a fetus.
You only get your information from Bulbapedia, don't you?
Quote from: Riddler_Robin on April 20, 2011, 07:35:46 PM
You only get your information from Bulbapedia, don't you?
Scratch this, look at its emerald sprite (took me some digging with google to find an animated one)
(http://archives.bulbagarden.net/media/upload/8/88/Spr_3e_151.gif)
It can't be just me, this thing screamed BABY. No way it's 100% cat.
Quote from: Kondor on April 20, 2011, 07:40:03 PM
No, I looked at its Gen 3 sprites and the fact that it sort of lied in the fetal position. It's clearly not all cat, and it just screamed BABY to me.
It's got cat and rabbit features. To think it looks like a baby is ridiculous imo. You better think the Duosion line looks like a baby.
Quote from: Riddler_Robin on April 20, 2011, 07:42:13 PM
It's got cat and rabbit features. To think it looks like a baby is ridiculous imo. You better think the Duosion line looks like a baby.
Fixed my post. Duosion, etc is a fetus. It legitimately played out the "fetus development" idea as much as possible, though Mew always looked like a baby. Whatever it is, it's not entirely a cat/rabbit.
There's no way I'm the only one that sees this.
Quote from: Kondor on April 20, 2011, 06:19:22 PM
Victini doesn't float. Logic flaw, sir.
Reading flaw sir.
I said many consider Victini one of them, which is why I included it. I don't really consider it one because it doesn't float, but since many do, I considered it in the post. Understand?
Also, I never considered Mew a baby. Just cute, and when it does baby things, it's just cute, since many people who see something cute treat is as a baby. When Mew does that rock back and fourth thing, it looks similar to my cat when I hold it like a baby.
Also, I don't even see the rabbit features. And I never see it as a Cat either to be honest. I just see it as a Mew. It was introduced to me at a young age, so I see it as it's own unique animal. A Mew.
And fine, let's just throw the dog idea away for now. It was an idea used for Rob's logic, let's discuss other things it could be, and maybe go back to Rob's dog idea after more ideas are discussed. This worked once, why isn't this strategy being used more?
Quote from: JrDude 益 on April 20, 2011, 09:33:47 PM
Reading flaw sir.
I said many consider Victini one of them, which is why I included it. I don't really consider it one because it doesn't float, but since many do, I considered it in the post. Understand?
Also, I never considered Mew a baby. Just cute, and when it does baby things, it's just cute, since many people who see something cute treat is as a baby. When Mew does that rock back and fourth thing, it looks similar to my cat when I hold it like a baby.
Also, I don't even see the rabbit features. And I never see it as a Cat either to be honest. I just see it as a Mew. It was introduced to me at a young age, so I see it as it's own unique animal. A Mew.
And fine, let's just throw the dog idea away for now. It was an idea used for Rob's logic, let's discuss other things it could be, and maybe go back to Rob's dog idea after more ideas are discussed. This worked once, why isn't this strategy being used more?
The ONLY rabbit feature is the long feet, I guess. But it still screams lil' pink fetus to me.
Also the Small, cute legendaries don't have to float. To be literal, none do (They all can be hit by ground attacks in-game), but really, the fact that some of them float was pure coincidence. And due to the fact that the majority have been Psychic, which are said to be able to float with Psychic powers or something. Plus, they've even shown Mew and Jirachi standing firmly on the ground, so yeah. We shouldn't do ANOTHER Psychic legendary, so probably no floating. Unless we want yet another psychic legend. But yeah, what I'm trying to say is floating = coincidence. When GameFreak had the legendary idea that gave them Mew, Celebi, Jirachi, Shaymin, Manaphy I GUESS (though the method of obtaining is completely different), and Victini, the fact that the first three gens had them float was pure coincidence. I don't consider Manaphy when I think this, since the obtaining method is so different. I.e. it's easy to get provided you buy the spin-offs. The others have either been unobtainable or required an event.
But I digress.
You just don't understand MY views. Your views. Whoop. Congrats. You have them.
MY VIEWS.
It's small
It's cute
It's sprite floats/floats on 3D games (EX: Revolution)
That's the Pokémon I'm trying to think of. You can change it and think of anything else you want, but for my standards, all it has to do is meet the qualifications I just mentioned, and we got it.
Quote from: JrDude 益 on April 20, 2011, 11:02:45 PM
You just don't understand MY views. Your views. Whoop. Congrats. You have them.
MY VIEWS.
It's small
It's cute
It's sprite floats/floats on 3D games (EX: Revolution)
That's the Pokémon I'm trying to think of. You can change it and think of anything else you want, but for my standards, all it has to do is meet the qualifications I just mentioned, and we got it.
But what you're saying is it HAS to float. It really doesn't. It might, but it's not REQUIRED to do so in order to fit the pattern.
Also here's a suggestion on the evolutions: saying this now just so I don't forget.
How about a Qwilfish evolution? Here's why:
~Qwilfish has always been a version-exclusive counterpart to Remoraid.
~Remoraid evolves into Octillery, but Qwilfish has no evolution.
~It's stats are a bit low for a Pokémon that can't evolve.
~Look at it. It's tiny, and it really looks like it could use the ability to evolve into something bigger.
Just a suggestion. Don't know how we could do it, but I think the poor little ugly blowfish deserves an evolution.
Alright, just wanted to say that so I could get it down without forgetting, and be able to refer back to this post when the time comes.
Yo K. You've been saying you were gonna draw for a long ass time now, yet I've only seen those 2 drawing you did forever ago. When are we gonna see some more? or has "tomorrow" not come yet? (You've said "I'll draw some tomorrow" several times if I'm not mistaken)
Quote from: JrDude 益 on April 22, 2011, 04:00:36 PM
Yo K. You've been saying you were gonna draw for a long ass time now, yet I've only seen those 2 drawing you did forever ago. When are we gonna see some more? or has "tomorrow" not come yet? (You've said "I'll draw some tomorrow" several times if I'm not mistaken)
If you don't mind, a few things have come up (unforeseen circumstances) and I'll get the drawings to you as soon as I can. Have patience, I've been going through something the past few days that I'd rather not get into.
Quote from: Kondor on April 22, 2011, 04:06:28 PM
If you don't mind, a few things have come up (unforeseen circumstances) and I'll get the drawings to you as soon as I can. Have patience, I've been going through something the past few days that I'd rather not get into.
I have patience, I just didn't know. If I didn't have patience, I would have called you out the second day from the first time you said it.
Let's get a pool of suggestions of past pokemon that need evos/prevos. We'll ultimately take two from each generation, not including Eevees.
I'm gonna list three suggestions myself, but only the top two are my real choices.
Mine are:
Gen 1:
Farfetch'd - WILL. NOT. BUDGE ON THIS ONE. - Evolution
Kangaskhan - Preevolution (my god that baby needs to come out of the pouch.)
Pinsir - Evolution
Gen 2:
Dunsparce - Evolution
Qwilfish - Evolution Like K said, it's a tad too weak.
Corsola - Evolution
Gen 3:
None. I don't really care here.
Gen 4:
There aren't any single-line worth it, and I'm too lazy to look up other Pokemon.
Gen 5:
Audino - Evolution - Let's get a Blissey-like Audino.
Basculin - Two evolutions, based on it's color.
That's all from me.
Quote from: Riddler_Robin on April 23, 2011, 11:49:47 AM
Let's get a pool of suggestions of past pokemon that need evos/prevos. We'll ultimately take two from each generation, not including Eevees.
I'm gonna list three suggestions myself, but only the top two are my real choices.
Mine are:
Gen 1:
Farfetch'd - WILL. NOT. BUDGE ON THIS ONE. - Evolution
Kangaskhan - Preevolution (my god that baby needs to come out of the pouch.)
Pinsir - Evolution
Gen 2:
Dunsparce - Evolution
Qwilfish - Evolution Like K said, it's a tad too weak.
Corsola - Evolution
Gen 3:
None. I don't really care here.
Gen 4:
There aren't any single-line worth it, and I'm too lazy to look up other Pokemon.
Gen 5:
Audino - Evolution - Let's get a Blissey-like Audino.
Basculin - Two evolutions, based on it's color.
That's all from me.
My opinions?
[spoiler=Some agreement here]Farfetch'd - Yeah okay, I'll bite. What should it be holding, a tree? I think we should be keeping the stick concept, but have it hold something more intimidating.
Kangaskhan- My only objection to this is, the baby is present IN the mother. My suggestion now is this: The prevo should be BIGGER than the baby in the pouch. like, in between the baby and the mother. This way it doesn't seem like it just spawns a huge kangaroo upon evolution. Does anyone else know what I'm saying here?
Dunsparce- Yes please, I've seen people supporting this since Oldsider.
Qwilfish- Can we get more people on this? I'd say one more agreement and it's decided here.
Corsola- Ehh, it IS weak, but I'm not so sure. A ton of things in Gen II need evolutions, but I'm not sure this one screams out above the re- wait no, everything else (Murkrow, etc) GOT evolutions already, which I forgot about. I'm okay with this.
Gen 3- Tons of things here need them, but I really don't want to mess with the designs here. I loved Gen III's designs, and I don't think we should try to play around with them too much. BUT, Gen III had more non-evolving Pokemon than ANY other generation, when you remove everything that got an evolution in a later Gen. A lot of gimmicks, but I strongly suggest we do an evolution of
TORKOAL.
Gen 4- I hoped to avoid this generation also. What didn't evolve? Pachirisu, Chatot, Spiritomb, Carnivine, Rotom, and I guess you can include Phione. None of these should get an evolution, unless we want to do Pachirisu. :/
Audino- Eh, it'll take some work, but we can do it.
Basculin- No thanks. Basculin was made to be a gimmick, taking advantage of a new feature. Plusle and Minun were another. Therefore Basculin isn't something we should pick.
What do we do from here? Emolga? I'm still strongly against Basculin. Strongly. We shouldn't evolve gimmicks.[/spoiler]
When we look at it, there isn't much left that doesn't evolve. There's gimmicks, for one. But beyond them, we really don't need to make EVERY pokemon evolve.
Except I haven't looked at the things that only evolve once. And as such I didn't include them in the above. If anyone thinks of any of these, let me know.
Either replacing or adding on to the suggestions you guys already have. Could even be both.
[spoiler=My Ideas:]
Gen 1:
Baby Kanga - If Kangaskhan gets a prevo, I was thinking the prevo could evolve into a new Pokémon if it's male.
Gen 2:
Girafarig - It's a giraffe, but it's neck isn't tall. I also like the back end, which could be something epic.
Octillery - A Kraken type thing. Water/Dark
Gen 3:
Sableye - I think this thing could turn epic if done right. A bunch of gems in it's back, it's eyes bigger diamonds.
Mawile - The idea of Mawile is awesome, maybe make it even better with an evo? (When female) It looks like a beautiful woman. It lures men in, and walks away, then when they catch up it BITES THEIR FREAKIN' HEADS OFF WITH IT'S HAIR.
Gen 4:
Cherrim - It changes when there's sunshine. For some reason this makes me want to make an evo that does the same, except looks awesome in some way when in sunshine.
Gen 5:
Druddigon - Prevo? IDK, for some reason he looks like he would have a cool prevo.[/spoiler]
[spoiler=My thoughts on your ideas:]
Gen 1:
Farfetch'd - A long stick that looks similar to a spear? Actually. K's tree idea gave me an idea that probably won't be liked, but I kinda like. Fly/Fighting. (You know, like the Timburr family, if he's holding a tree, he must be strong)
Kangaskhan - FINE FINE. It should look a bit different than the one in the pouch though. Needs some weird incense to make it.
Pinsir - Some epic giant beetle that's part steel comes to mind. Bug/Steel?
Gen 2:
Dunsparce - It digs, so part ground? Normal/Ground? or stay pure Normal?
Qwilfish - ... Just a bigger puffer fish? Sure?
Corsola - ... A giant coral reef Pokémon? Why not?
Gen 3:
Torkal - This can turn into an epic fire turtle.
Gen 4:
...
Gen 5:
Audino - Works for me. Audino seemed too underused anyway.
Basculin - Could work. Blue one based on some type of stat while Red is based on another? Not too fond of the idea, but it could be something pretty cool.[/spoiler]
Quote from: JrDude 益 on April 23, 2011, 04:28:19 PM
Either replacing or adding on to the suggestions you guys already have. Could even be both.
[spoiler=My Ideas:]
Gen 1:
Baby Kanga - If Kangaskhan gets a prevo, I was thinking the prevo could evolve into a new Pokémon if it's male.
Gen 2:
Girafarig - It's a giraffe, but it's neck isn't tall. I also like the back end, which could be something epic.
Octillery - A Kraken type thing. Water/Dark
Gen 3:
Sableye - I think this thing could turn epic if done right. A bunch of gems in it's back, it's eyes bigger diamonds.
Mawile - The idea of Mawile is awesome, maybe make it even better with an evo? (When female) It looks like a beautiful woman. It lures men in, and walks away, then when they catch up it BITES THEIR FREAKIN' HEADS OFF WITH IT'S HAIR.
Gen 4:
Cherrim - It changes when there's sunshine. For some reason this makes me want to make an evo that does the same, except looks awesome in some way when in sunshine.
Gen 5:
Druddigon - Prevo? IDK, for some reason he looks like he would have a cool prevo.[/spoiler]
[spoiler=My thoughts on your ideas:]
Gen 1:
Farfetch'd - A long stick that looks similar to a spear? Actually. K's tree idea gave me an idea that probably won't be liked, but I kinda like. Fly/Fighting. (You know, like the Timburr family, if he's holding a tree, he must be strong)
Kangaskhan - FINE FINE. It should look a bit different than the one in the pouch though. Needs some weird incense to make it.
Pinsir - Some epic giant beetle that's part steel comes to mind. Bug/Steel?
Gen 2:
Dunsparce - It digs, so part ground? Normal/Ground? or stay pure Normal?
Qwilfish - ... Just a bigger puffer fish? Sure?
Corsola - ... A giant coral reef Pokémon? Why not?
Gen 3:
Torkal - This can turn into an epic fire turtle.
Gen 4:
...
Gen 5:
Audino - Works for me. Audino seemed too underused anyway.
Basculin - Could work. Blue one based on some type of stat while Red is based on another? Not too fond of the idea, but it could be something pretty cool.[/spoiler]
[spoiler=directed at Jr's ideas]On baby Kanga:
Perhaps it can only evolve with it's female? I don't like the idea of a separate pokemon if Male. Burmy was pushing it (And I didn't even like those. Cool gimmick, execution could have been better.) I'd say make it something like Combee: Some gender difference, and it will only evolve at all if it's female.
On Girafarig: I'm very afraid of what this will look like to be honest. I wouldn't.
On Octillery: Yes, but not Water/Dark. Some other typing would be nice. Make it some special kind of Kracken (I'm talking a Water/Electric or something)
On Sableye: On second thought, sure. It's just too weak. Something could work with this thing. Perhaps something that can levitate: Four immunities and no weaknesses, so in that case it would have to be frail-looking to hit at low defenses to not make it seem overpowered. I know we're not talking metagame, but if we do improve Sableye we shouldn't make it bulkier. Spiritomb already is a defensive Sableye. More offensive, please.
Mawile: Please, no. I love Mawile too much, it's already intercourse ing adorable. It doesn't need to be anything more. PLEASE.
Cherrim: Why. It's the reason I'm not looking for a Castform evo. For this one though, it would rely heavily on "Can we get a design idea? If not, scrap it." I'm against it unless someone comes up with something REALLY good.
Druddigon prevo: It would be easy enough.
Farfetch'd: Take away the normal type? Okay. Not feeling the "Make it like Timburr" thing.
Kangaskhan: Why so different? It evolves into a Kangaskhan. I already suggested it be much bigger than the pouchling.
Pinsir: Gah, so many Bug/Steels already. Okay four. But still, it's one of those typings that was good when one or two Pokemon had it (niche much?) but it we overuse it... bleh.
Dunsparce: Yep. Normal/Ground is a bad type, but it's okay.
Qwilfish: I really want to do this. We'll figure something out.
Corsola: I see ya.
Torkoal: Back on Oldsider I had designed a Torkoal evo with a more volcano-like back.. it was Fire/Rock. If we do this we'd have to set it apart from the Fire/Ground volcano camels, Numel and Camerupt.
Audino: It's Chansey. Just barely doesn't cut it as is. Evo would be cool.
Basculin: If the two forms look completely different, I'm almost for it. You gotta convince me more though.[/spoiler]
[spoiler=My Response]Baby Kanga - Burmy was weird and I never understood the purpose of it evolving into 2 different Pokémon based on gender, probably because I did no research on it and have no idea what Burmy or it's evos are supposed to be.
Girafarig - But look at it. The idea behind Girafarig is cool, but it's never even thought of much. If we make a cool looking idea based on the giraffe dark (psychic) tail thing, then it could be even cooler.
Octillery - Water/Electric? Why not Water/Dark? If you don't like that, we can use the "Hades created it" excuse to make it Water/Fire as it's a giant octopus hell creature. Octillery can learn fire moves even (I think maybe only Flamethrower, but whatever), so it could work.
I was thinking that, in order for Octillery to be able to evolve into it, you need to have captured the Dark Horse (or used theif on it) and use an item the horse is holding and give it to Octillery, then trade it, or maybe level it up underwater or something (still while holding the item).
Sableye - That could work. But we need to be careful with the hover thing, it still needs to look fairly similar to Sableye in a way.
Mawile - I agree with you in a way, I was just throwing ideas since 3rd gen was ignored a lot for this evo thing.
Cherrim - See above (except about Gen 4).
Farfetch'd - Just came to mind when you mentioned holding a tree. Gave me a Conkeldurr image in my head.
Kangaskhan - Not so different, a bit different.
Pinsir - Maybe Dark? Bug/Dark hasn't been used yet. Almost with Drapion, but not.
Qwuilfish - Convince me, because I'm not feeling it.
Torkoal - Volcanomon is already used. Why not keep the coal/furnace/smoky feel?[/spoiler]
If I didn't mention it, I had nothing to add on.
Quote from: JrDude 益 on April 23, 2011, 07:34:51 PM
[spoiler=My Response]Baby Kanga - Burmy was weird and I never understood the purpose of it evolving into 2 different Pokémon based on gender, probably because I did no research on it and have no idea what Burmy or it's evos are supposed to be.
Girafarig - But look at it. The idea behind Girafarig is cool, but it's never even thought of much. If we make a cool looking idea based on the giraffe dark (psychic) tail thing, then it could be even cooler.
Octillery - Water/Electric? Why not Water/Dark? If you don't like that, we can use the "Hades created it" excuse to make it Water/Fire as it's a giant octopus hell creature. Octillery can learn fire moves even (I think maybe only Flamethrower, but whatever), so it could work.
I was thinking that, in order for Octillery to be able to evolve into it, you need to have captured the Dark Horse (or used theif on it) and use an item the horse is holding and give it to Octillery, then trade it, or maybe level it up underwater or something (still while holding the item).
Sableye - That could work. But we need to be careful with the hover thing, it still needs to look fairly similar to Sableye in a way.
Mawile - I agree with you in a way, I was just throwing ideas since 3rd gen was ignored a lot for this evo thing.
Cherrim - See above (except about Gen 4).
Farfetch'd - Just came to mind when you mentioned holding a tree. Gave me a Conkeldurr image in my head.
Kangaskhan - Not so different, a bit different.
Pinsir - Maybe Dark? Bug/Dark hasn't been used yet. Almost with Drapion, but not.
Qwuilfish - Convince me, because I'm not feeling it.
Torkoal - Volcanomon is already used. Why not keep the coal/furnace/smoky feel?[/spoiler]
If I didn't mention it, I had nothing to add on.
[spoiler=in no particular order]Torkoal- It was a coal-furnace thing but the back shell grew up with a chimney-like feature that caused the shell to resemble a volcano. Note- resemble. It was mostly coincidence I decided to go with.
Baby Kanga- but YOU SAID to make it evolve into something else if it was male, did you not?
Girafarig- Did you see the original design (http://archives.bulbagarden.net/media/upload/7/7f/Alpha_kirinriki.png) of Girafarig? Wonder why they changed it. /sarcasm
Octillery- Water/Electric was just an example. WHY Water/Dark? Also, you idiots are trying desperately to use a Water/Fire idea. Give it a intercourse ing rest. Maybe Water/Dragon even, for hell's sake. Many Dragons can use fire moves, except Kingdra.. and I really don't see why there.
Sableye- I don't know it would look similar enough, but maybe it evolves into something that can levitate? Trying to think of if something did this in the apst but I don't remember. I knew Duskulll LOST the ability on evolution, but I'm not positive on whether something GAINED it.
Mawile- remove the idea from your head.
Cherrim- But not on a gimmick pokemon.
Farfetch'd- Except I thought Conkeldurr was... weird. I get it, but WHY must it ALWAYS carry two mysteriously-formed blocks of concrete with it everywhere? Also Gurdurr getting a perfectly-shaped man-made steel girder upon evolution? Don't even say "It just finds it" ..it spawns from a log. When it evolves. It's just... weird. A fighting-type generating some random man-made materials (a log like that is manmade- why else would it be cut so perfectly?) that change on evolution... yeah. It never stuck with me.
Kangaskhan- Very different. The pouchling is the fetus, we need to make the preschooler-age, so to speak. Much difference; it must look closer to Parent Khan than the baby.
Pinsir- I don't see Dark. It learns so many Fighting moves... but Heracross took that type and.. I don't know.
Qwilfish- That's not up to me. Convince me Basculin and we'll talk.[/spoiler]
Quote from: Kondor on April 23, 2011, 07:50:16 PM
[spoiler=in no particular order]Torkoal- It was a coal-furnace thing but the back shell grew up with a chimney-like feature that caused the shell to resemble a volcano. Note- resemble. It was mostly coincidence I decided to go with.
Baby Kanga- but YOU SAID to make it evolve into something else if it was male, did you not?
Girafarig- Did you see the original design (http://archives.bulbagarden.net/media/upload/7/7f/Alpha_kirinriki.png) of Girafarig? Wonder why they changed it. /sarcasm
Octillery- Water/Electric was just an example. WHY Water/Dark? Also, you idiots are trying desperately to use a Water/Fire idea. Give it a intercourse ing rest. Maybe Water/Dragon even, for hell's sake. Many Dragons can use fire moves, except Kingdra.. and I really don't see why there.
Sableye- I don't know it would look similar enough, but maybe it evolves into something that can levitate? Trying to think of if something did this in the apst but I don't remember. I knew Duskulll LOST the ability on evolution, but I'm not positive on whether something GAINED it.
Mawile- remove the idea from your head.
Cherrim- But not on a gimmick pokemon.
Farfetch'd- Except I thought Conkeldurr was... weird. I get it, but WHY must it ALWAYS carry two mysteriously-formed blocks of concrete with it everywhere? Also Gurdurr getting a perfectly-shaped man-made steel girder upon evolution? Don't even say "It just finds it" ..it spawns from a log. When it evolves. It's just... weird. A fighting-type generating some random man-made materials (a log like that is manmade- why else would it be cut so perfectly?) that change on evolution... yeah. It never stuck with me.
Kangaskhan- Very different. The pouchling is the fetus, we need to make the preschooler-age, so to speak. Much difference; it must look closer to Parent Khan than the baby.
Pinsir- I don't see Dark. It learns so many Fighting moves... but Heracross took that type and.. I don't know.
Qwilfish- That's not up to me. Convince me Basculin and we'll talk.[/spoiler]
[spoiler=Words and things]
Torkoal - With that it seems to be a good idea.
B Kanga - Yes I did, I seemed to end my point with Burmy for some reason. If we made a prevo but only let the female evolve, it would be weird. I mean, with Combee, it makes sense, female bees become queen bee eventually, while male bees are forever regular bees. With kangaroos, what do only female kangaroos grow up to kick ass? No.
Also, the Kangaroo idea isn't really shown much with Kangaskhan, Kangaroos like to hop around, and I don't think Kangaskhan hops around much (and if she did, I'd picture a loud ass thump every time she did). It seems they only used Kangaroo as an excuse to give her a pouch. There's only 1 Kangaroo Pokémon so far, why not make 1 more (with the 1 more we're adding)?
Girafarig - What does that have to do with anything..?
Octillery - Water/Dark because it's a Kraken, which is an evil octupus from hell, and the most recent image was from Clash of the titans which looks ultra evil, and evil is often associated with Dark. And Water/Fire came to mind because it's from hell as well, I wasn't trying to do it for any other reason. I'm not trying to do any creative types, the ideas that come to mind look like the type that I say in my mind. If I wanted Water/Fire so bad, I would have suggested it first, rather than Dark.
Also not Water/Dragon because that would be the second evo to change from 1 gen being pure water to the evo from a different gen being Water/Dragon.
In other words, Seadra already changed from Water to Water/Dragon through different gen evolution, we don't need a second.
Pinsir - I just told you of the image that came to mind. It can stay pure bug for all I care.
Qwilfish - So you're not telling me anything unless I tell you of Basculin..? This was originally your idea,
you should tell
me.
[/spoiler]
Quote from: JrDude 益 on April 23, 2011, 08:25:24 PM
[spoiler=Words and things]
Torkoal - With that it seems to be a good idea.
B Kanga - Yes I did, I seemed to end my point with Burmy for some reason. If we made a prevo but only let the female evolve, it would be weird. I mean, with Combee, it makes sense, female bees become queen bee eventually, while male bees are forever regular bees. With kangaroos, what do only female kangaroos grow up to kick ass? No.
Also, the Kangaroo idea isn't really shown much with Kangaskhan, Kangaroos like to hop around, and I don't think Kangaskhan hops around much (and if she did, I'd picture a loud ass thump every time she did). It seems they only used Kangaroo as an excuse to give her a pouch. There's only 1 Kangaroo Pokémon so far, why not make 1 more (with the 1 more we're adding)?
Girafarig - What does that have to do with anything..?
Octillery - Water/Dark because it's a Kraken, which is an evil octupus from hell, and the most recent image was from Clash of the titans which looks ultra evil, and evil is often associated with Dark. And Water/Fire came to mind because it's from hell as well, I wasn't trying to do it for any other reason. I'm not trying to do any creative types, the ideas that come to mind look like the type that I say in my mind. If I wanted Water/Fire so bad, I would have suggested it first, rather than Dark.
Also not Water/Dragon because that would be the second evo to change from 1 gen being pure water to the evo from a different gen being Water/Dragon.
In other words, Seadra already changed from Water to Water/Dragon through different gen evolution, we don't need a second.
Pinsir - I just told you of the image that came to mind. It can stay pure bug for all I care.
Qwilfish - So you're not telling me anything unless I tell you of Basculin..? This was originally your idea, you should tell me.
[/spoiler]
[spoiler=fags and such]Well, we all like the idea of Qwilfish getting an evo. I shouldn't have to explain myself to you.
Octillery- Disregarding that until further intelligence. Seriously rethink what you're trying to tell me since I'm not going to even try to sift through that and find your argument.
Girafarig- It's stupid.
Kangaskid- No no, it should be big enough that it can survive the way it is if it's a male, but if it's a female the changes would be: Larger size (a lot of species have larger females than males- While I doubt this is true for kangaroos, why not?), added "armor" (mother has to protect her young- you see Kangaskhan's "protective padding"-like features.), and well, a baby. Kangaroos by themselves look pretty juvenile-- Kangaskhan is more like an armored, protective mother kangaroo. In this case, it would make sense if the kangaroo got these "protective and motherly" qualities if it went on to be a mother, i.e. if it was female. The evolution represents the transition into motherhood. How does this work? It's POKEMON. It actually makes plenty of sense if you think about it.
Pinsir- but it doesn't really need an evo. When Scyther evolved, it kept the SAME base stat total, but a new type and the relevant changes (It's now Steel-- higher defense, slower). Pinsir evolving without a type shift is dumb.[/spoiler]
I find it stupid how just because you and Rob like it, means it's a good idea in your mind.
If you don't have to explain your ideas, then don't explain any since you're a retard.
What's Qwilfish gonna be? A bigger Pufferfish? you can't just say "Qwilfish gets an evo, I don't have to explain myself because 1 person agrees with me"
And Octillery, you're obviously a retard here.
Kraken = Evil giant octopus from hell.
Evil = Dark
Hell = Fire
Octillery evo = Water.
If it happened, Water/Dark or Water/Fire would be the best choice. You don't have to look hard, stop being a dumbass.
Girafarig - Oh good argument. You're stupid.
DO I WIN?!
So, because Kangaskhan is a protective mother, means there could be no protective fathers/male kangaroos? If it's motherhood thing, why not something like a rebellious child evo? (This idea just came to mind and I'm not even sure I like it. When an idea first comes to mind it almost always seems awesome, just roll with me here). A baby shouldn't only grow up if it's female if it can be male.
Pinsir - I agree here. I was just trying to think of things that would work since Rob threw the idea out there and Pinsir seems so alone.
Got tired of reading it all.
Farfetch'd Evo isn't carrying a tree. An onion leek would not become a tree. I see it carrying a full onion and using it as a Hammer or Mace, or sharpening it's leek into a sword.
Kraken makes sense as both Water/Fire and Water/Dragon. BOTH would work. Octillery DOES have fire moves and it's a monster from hell. It makes sense, and would be awesome typing.
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I had an idea for Kangaskhan that could work. Every generation introduces new ways to evolve/breed/etc.
For the sake of our dex, we introduce a new hold-item for Kangaskhan.
Evolution method:
"Level-up while holding ITEMNAMEHERE and one empty party slot."
Kangaskhan evolves into a new (not necessarily much stronger) version of Kangaskhan without the baby in it's pouch, and the baby (now a bit larger) takes the empty party slot.
Represents a mother letting her child go.
That seems weird. Basing off of your idea, how about, you give Kangaskhan something, put it in the daycare alone and wait long enough for it to "lay an egg" and it will be a new form of Kangaskhan (without the baby, but not necessarily evolved, just a new form), and the daycare man will give you the baby (before you pick up Kangaskhan), not an egg. The Kangaskhan will be no % higher than it was when it was put it, but the baby will be bigger than it was when it was in the pouch (implying the daycare was helping the baby grow, and not the mom). I think this should bring the Kangaskhan's happiness to 0 (as it's sad about it's baby being gone) and... I'm looking too much into that.
Aaand, the baby should still be able to evolve into Mama (if female), and into some male Kangaroo.
Quote from: JrDude 益 on April 23, 2011, 10:51:36 PM
That seems weird. Basing off of your idea, how about, you give Kangaskhan something, put it in the daycare alone and wait long enough for it to "lay an egg" and it will be a new form of Kangaskhan (without the baby, but not necessarily evolved, just a new form), and the daycare man will give you the baby (before you pick up Kangaskhan), not an egg. The Kangaskhan will be no % higher than it was when it was put it, but the baby will be bigger than it was when it was in the pouch (implying the daycare was helping the baby grow, and not the mom). I think this should bring the Kangaskhan's happiness to 0 (as it's sad about it's baby being gone) and... I'm looking too much into that.
Aaand, the baby should still be able to evolve into Mama (if female), and into some male Kangaroo.
The issue was that Kangaskhan already has a baby in it's pouch. It doesn't lay an egg to create that baby. The Pokemon we want is that baby.
Nincada evolves with an open slot in the party - Shedinja is produced in the party.
Mantyke and Remoraid are in the same party - Mantyke becomes Mantine.
Trade Karrablast with Shelmet and they both evolve.
All weird evolutions. The first being the most similar to my proposal.
Now if you were to give something to the Kangaskhan that would cause the baby to leave it's pouch (and into your empty slot), the Kangaskhan wouldn't still have a baby in it's pouch - it just lost it. Even with your daycare center idea, the Kangaskhan shouldn't still have a baby in it's pouch.
The hold-item is the only way I can think of it. The baby leaves the pouch into your open slot and grows into it's own Pokemon, and the Kangaskhan, now babyless, is a new Pokemon.
Quote from: Riddler_Robin on April 23, 2011, 11:05:07 PM
Now if you were to give something to the Kangaskhan that would cause the baby to leave it's pouch (and into your empty slot), the Kangaskhan wouldn't still have a baby in it's pouch - it just lost it. Even with your daycare center idea, the Kangaskhan shouldn't still have a baby in it's pouch.
"new form of Kangaskhan (without the baby,"
Is what I said. It's still Kangaskhan, there's just no baby in the pouch. And then you pick up the baby from the daycare man, it's just not in an egg.
The problem I have with Kangaskhan evolving, is that we're just trying to get that baby out of the pouch.
With the daycare idea, Kangaskhan has a chance to let it's baby go because it's grown enough.
We could even do your idea I guess, but I find it weird that she has to evolve to let the baby out of the pouch.
Quote from: JrDude 益 on April 23, 2011, 11:23:25 PM
"new form of Kangaskhan (without the baby,"
Is what I said. It's still Kangaskhan, there's just no baby in the pouch. And then you pick up the baby from the daycare man, it's just not in an egg.
The problem I have with Kangaskhan evolving, is that we're just trying to get that baby out of the pouch.
With the daycare idea, Kangaskhan has a chance to let it's baby go because it's grown enough.
We could even do your idea I guess, but I find it weird that she has to evolve to let the baby out of the pouch.
She doesn't HAVE to evolve to let the baby out, but letting the baby out evolves her.
Shelmet evolves when he loses his armor to Karrablast. He evolved when he lost something. I'm sure there are other examples I can't think of.
I still like my long idea better, but whatever works.
(http://i.imgur.com/Dlru3.jpg)
Base one of the horses on this.
Just skinned through. Wow Jr, you're a intercourse ing idiot. I mean seriously. JUST BECAUSE the Kraken CAN BE DESCRIBED as coming from hell, that in no way instantly screams Dark-type. In fact, when I think of hell I think of Fire more than Dark, and I even think of Electric a bit, though I really can't see why. It's somehow stuck in my head, but we shouldn't make Octokraken electric. I'm still feeling Water/Dragon, simply because it covers the same bases as Water/Fire but I like it better.
Also with all the idiocy coming out of this Kangaskhan thing, I say we just LEAVE KANGASKHAN OUT. There's too much going on with it already, what with hatching out of an egg with a baby in its pouch, and furthermore the fact that this baby was likely born by mammalian methods, considering a real kangaroo.
The Kangaskhan Evolves After Losing The Baby (and the baby becomes something else?) theory sounds good on paper, but way too complex for us to make it work in a simple, easy-to-understand way. We should't throw too many stupid items and such into here, as this isn't a stupid 10-year-old fandex. I strongly suggest we drop Kangaskhan for a while, since there's waaaayyyyy too much going on here for us to form anything. Way too much.
As far as Girafarig, I REALLY don't want to have to explain everything to you. I opted to quickly let it go because, I HATE this thing. Not Girafarig as is, but if it had two equal heads. HATE IT. HATE IT. HATE IT SO MUCH. I COULD write you paragraphs on it, I really could. But I sure as hell DON'T WANT TO. That is all. Leave it alone.
Jr, stop being stupid. Your long daycare idea is DUMB. We're not going far enough into complex game mechanics involving gameplay and whatnot. We're not intercourse ing around with the daycare to form new Pokemon. It's too...far from anything Pokemon has ever done. It's just far more complex than it's worth.
Okay, I'm going to design Octokraken with Water/Dragon in mind. I'm intercourse ing sick and tired of you trying to throw other types at me with little to nothing to back it up. There's NO REASON it HAS to be Water/Dark. We have some Water/Dark Pokemon. Sharpedo, Crawdaunt, I think something else, plus one of our starters is Water/Dark. Water/Dragon? Excluding legendaries we have only Kingdra. It's a cool typr. Water/Dark? Not so cool. Octokraken is going to be BIG. It deserves a much cooler typing than the same thing that lobster and that bullet shark share. Water/Dark just isn't doing it for me. There's my opinion.
Okay Rob which horse.
Quote from: Kondor on April 24, 2011, 03:37:25 PM
The Kangaskhan Evolves After Losing The Baby (and the baby becomes something else?) theory sounds good on paper, but way too complex for us to make it work in a simple, easy-to-understand way. We should't throw too many stupid items and such into here, as this isn't a stupid 10-year-old fandex. I strongly suggest we drop Kangaskhan for a while, since there's waaaayyyyy too much going on here for us to form anything. Way too much.
Too complex?
Evolves while holding item and having an empty space in the party.
OH SO COMPLEX.
>We shouldn't throw stupd items and such in - - - Stupid 10 year old fandex
Every generation introduces new methods of evolving and items to evolve with.
Gen1 - All of the evolution stones.
Gen2 - Dragon Scale, Kings Rock, Metal Coat, Up-Grade
Gen 3 - DeepSeaScale/Tooth
Gen 4 - Dubious Disc, Electrizer, Magmarizer, Protector, Reaper Cloth, Razor Claw, Oval Stone, Razor Fang
Gen 5 - Prism Scale
Sure, most of these are trade items, but that's irrelevant. They're different evolution methods all relating to items.
One item-based idea to make something that needs to be done isn't stupid.
The idea of Kangaskhan of a mother letting her child go is ace, none of you can deny that.
Kangaskhan
>Evolves into Babyless Kangaskhan when leveling up while holding an item.
>Baby Kangaskhan is produced in empty party slot.
It's not complex at all. It's not even new. It just combines two previous Pokemon methods. RazorClaw/Fang/Oval Stone + Level-Up and Nincada.
Ideas for names would also work around these:
Kangaskhan = Genghis Kahn
Other important Kahns:
Ogedei
Guyuk
Mongke
Quote from: Riddler_Robin on April 24, 2011, 04:19:50 PM
Too complex?
Evolves while holding item and having an empty space in the party.
OH SO COMPLEX.
>We shouldn't throw stupd items and such in - - - Stupid 10 year old fandex
Every generation introduces new methods of evolving and items to evolve with.
Gen1 - All of the evolution stones.
Gen2 - Dragon Scale, Kings Rock, Metal Coat, Up-Grade
Gen 3 - DeepSeaScale/Tooth
Gen 4 - Dubious Disc, Electrizer, Magmarizer, Protector, Reaper Cloth, Razor Claw, Oval Stone, Razor Fang
Gen 5 - Prism Scale
Sure, most of these are trade items, but that's irrelevant. They're different evolution methods all relating to items.
One item-based idea to make something that needs to be done isn't stupid.
The idea of Kangaskhan of a mother letting her child go is ace, none of you can deny that.
Kangaskhan
>Evolves into Babyless Kangaskhan when leveling up while holding an item.
>Baby Kangaskhan is produced in empty party slot.
It's not complex at all. It's not even new. It just combines two previous Pokemon methods. RazorClaw/Fang/Oval Stone + Level-Up and Nincada.
Ideas for names would also work around these:
Kangaskhan = Genghis Kahn
Other important Kahns:
Ogedei
Guyuk
Mongke
Complex? I'm talking about Jr's "Leave it ALONE in the daycare and you get alternate forms and poop" thing. THAT's complex. Never said anything about the items being too complex. Just don't make the items... stupid. I've seen some fandexes where they throw 30 items in like "Kanga Stone" or something dumb like that. I'm just saying, be careful. Make sure the item makes sense, and has an in-game effect other than evolution (Everything so far as an effect other than the trade item Dragon Scale.)
The only thing I'm saying is, when people make fandexes, all the items sound plain stupid. Ever seen some? Doesn't look like you've seen one's I've seen. Just don't add an item called " Ultra Matrix Claw of the Beyondness" and we'll be alright. Okay I'm exaggerating. I just don't like the idea of adding too many items. Maybe an incense would be the way to go here. Easy to do, and if we make an Incense it can't POSSIBLY be dumber than the existing incenses. That is all.
In fact, to clarify:
This will be exactly like how Nincada evolves, except Kangaskhan will be holding an item.
Quote from: Riddler_Robin on April 24, 2011, 04:57:51 PM
In fact, to clarify:
This will be exactly like how Nincada evolves, except Kangaskhan will be holding an item.
Except Kangaskhan needs to evolve as much as Rhydon did.
Quote from: Kondor on April 24, 2011, 05:01:10 PM
Except Kangaskhan needs to evolve as much as Rhydon did.
But Rhydon did, so your argument is irrelevant.
Other idea: Alt-Forme, but it'd have to be a permanent Alt-Forme.
Quote from: Riddler_Robin on April 24, 2011, 05:10:37 PM
But Rhydon did, so your argument is irrelevant.
Other idea: Alt-Forme, but it'd have to be a permanent Alt-Forme.
But Rhydon didn't NEED to. That's. What. I'm. Saying.
Quote from: Kondor on April 24, 2011, 05:01:10 PM
Except Kangaskhan needs to evolve as much as Rhydon did.
I'll break this down so you can understand.
Kangaskhan doesn't need an evolution, and Rhydon didn't either. So what if it got one? It was the most unneeded evolution of the 4th gen, perhaps tying with Dusclops. Why evolve something that DOESN'T. NEED. TO. EVOLVE? Answer this. Also:
(8:08:32 PM) Kianglo: WHY do we need to take her and her baby apart?
Why?
You basically read every other word I wrote. If you're going to argue, don't skim (or skin as you call it), as your point won't always make sense.
I thought Dark because it was evil, did evil things, and was created for evil purposes. Justice Heart also implies Dark is evil. I got FIRE because it is from Hell, and knew Octillery could learn Fire moves. Dark had nothing to do with Hell for the case of Octillery's Kraken evolution.
And also, not Water/Dragon. Hell, don't even try drawing it yet since no one agreed on anything. But I guess I don't have to say that since you haven't drawn anything since the Chick and Frog.
Why not Water/Dragon? Well, if you look into the Kraken, it has nothing to do with dragons. It took down boats. It almost destroyed an entire city after it was released if it didn't get a sacrifice (and was then destroyed by the head of a snake woman). It came from Hell. If we're basing this off of the Kraken, then base it off the Kraken, not what the octodragonpus your mind is creating.
And about Girafarig. You read way too far into what I said. I didn't want the ass-head to be equal to the front-head. I just thought it would get a cool looking evolution. Basically a bigger Girafarig with a few different Features. Basically Lickilicky Girafarig-style. And I would want it's name to be like Girafarig (spelled the same backwards)
Aaand the Kangababy. I mentioned this earlier as a double-post that was irrelevant to what we were discussing, so it got ignored, and K now agrees. Let's do nothing with Kangaskhan's Baby. Leave it alone.
If this baby wants to live with it's mom forever, let it. If the newborn Kangaskhan wants to have a baby while still young, let it.
We don't need to make the baby obey any logic our minds want. If we do, we might as well create an evo for Diglett AND Dugtrio that makes them come out of their holes. Also, make an evolution that makes Cubone and Marrowak to take off their bony helmets so we can see what's under it.
Quote from: JrDude 益 on April 25, 2011, 01:20:49 AM
You basically read every other word I wrote. If you're going to argue, don't skim (or skin as you call it), as your point won't always make sense.
I thought Dark because it was evil, did evil things, and was created for evil purposes. Justice Heart also implies Dark is evil. I got FIRE because it is from Hell, and knew Octillery could learn Fire moves. Dark had nothing to do with Hell for the case of Octillery's Kraken evolution.
And also, not Water/Dragon. Hell, don't even try drawing it yet since no one agreed on anything. But I guess I don't have to say that since you haven't drawn anything since the Chick and Frog.
Why not Water/Dragon? Well, if you look into the Kraken, it has nothing to do with dragons. It took down boats. It almost destroyed an entire city after it was released if it didn't get a sacrifice (and was then destroyed by the head of a snake woman). It came from Hell. If we're basing this off of the Kraken, then base it off the Kraken, not what the octodragonpus your mind is creating.
And about Girafarig. You read way too far into what I said. I didn't want the ass-head to be equal to the front-head. I just thought it would get a cool looking evolution. Basically a bigger Girafarig with a few different Features. Basically Lickilicky Girafarig-style. And I would want it's name to be like Girafarig (spelled the same backwards)
Aaand the Kangababy. I mentioned this earlier as a double-post that was irrelevant to what we were discussing, so it got ignored, and K now agrees. Let's do nothing with Kangaskhan's Baby. Leave it alone.
If this baby wants to live with it's mom forever, let it. If the newborn Kangaskhan wants to have a baby while still young, let it.
We don't need to make the baby obey any logic our minds want. If we do, we might as well create an evo for Diglett AND Dugtrio that makes them come out of their holes. Also, make an evolution that makes Cubone and Marrowak to take off their bony helmets so we can see what's under it.
What the intercourse ? Justice Heart doesn't even fit into this. Oh, and Gyarados is a monster from hell, why isn't IT a Dark type? ANSWER THIS. Yeah. They gave it Water/Flying... and it doesn't really fly. A lot of Pokemon are evil. Mewtwo was pretty evil, and it wasn't Dark. THe point is, NO.
And no, you can't just say "No Water/Dragon" without giving me a reason. You have no reason against it. Because we're not basing this 100% off the Kraken. It's intercourse ing Octillery, we're NOT evolving it into a carbon-copy of an ancient legend. I don't know who you think we are, but we're not going to plagiarize mythology, we're going to base things on MORE THAN ONE source combined. You're closed-minded.
Lickilicky was terrible. And no we're not making a bigger Girafarig. It's perfectly fine as it is, what the intercourse are you going to change about it? Answer me this and I'll consider. Just "Making it bigger with a few changes" isn't going to cut it.
You're the closed minded one.
Justice Heart is just a partial source that Dark is signified as evil.
And Gyarados is NOT a monster from hell. It based on a myth that, if a carp can leap over a magical gate (Magikarp are known to Splash over mountains), then it will become a dragon. The fact that it flew so high gave them the idea of fly type.
Regardless, it isn't from hell. At all. And nothing says it is. Except you. Hell also has NOTHING to do with my suggestion of Dark type. Get that through you're tiny mind.
And the reason Gyarados wasn't a dragon type is because there would have been no point as the only dragon move originally was Dragon Rage, which had a set amount of power so couldn't get a STAB from it anyway. It would also be near impossible to get a strong move against it since Dragon is immune to what water is weak to.
Also Dark didn't exist in gen 1 at all. You won't find a Dark Pokémon in Gen 1 no matter how evil. The only added on type was Magnemite/ton's steel.
And I wasn't saying "Dark or not at all," I was suggesting. Then you rage and rage, saying it makes no sense when it clearly does make sense. You just want to be right and can't stand it if I'm not wrong. It seems you want to prove you're smarter than me or some poop when it doesn't even matter.
And I did give you reason. Hell, you argue with my reason you stupid dumbass. Lrn2logic.
Another thing. Octillery can learn a move of any type, except Dragon (and ghost, but that's not part of the discussion). Dragon is probably the worst choice due to this fact. And we're not counting Hidden Power.
Also, I never said "MAKE IT 100% KRAKEN" I was saying, if we're basing it off the kraken, BASE IT OFF THE KRAKEN. Not a dragon-octopus you are imagining. Once you get it through your skull that there's nothing dragon about the Kraken, I can say other things that went through my mind. Like keep the fact that Octillery and his prevo are based off of some sort of weapon. Ramoraid a gun, Octillery a gun/cannon of some sort (he can learn almost every beam move, and a bunch of other gun/cannon based attacks). Do something like that with this Kraken evo. What exactly? Well IDK, haven't had much to think about it since I've been trying to get you to stop thinking like a dumbass.
Lrn2Suggestion
That makes little sense, but whatever.
It's a suggestion. It isn't something you need to rage about. I'll explain suggestions, sure, but don't rage over them JUST because you don't like the idea.
"Oh, I don't like this idea
SO HERE'S A BUNCH OF FAKE LOGIC ON WHY IT'S THE WORST IDEA KNOWN TO MAN AND WHY YOU'RE STUPID FOR EVEN THINKING OF IT AND FOR DISAGREEING WITH ME BECAUSE I'M ALWAYS RIGHT."
Wow Junior, I love you. Not really; I love when you get so tense.
I hate the idea of making a Water/Dragon Octillery evo. I'm still for pure Water, Water/Electric, or even Water/Fire before Water/Dragon. I just love how worked up you got about the Dragon idea, tbh.
Also, just a bit of info: Dragon was a type added very late in the game development (of Red/Green). This may have been done to avoid giving Dragonite a Normal/Flying type as it was clearly a dragon, not a bird. Dratini and Dragonair could have been Normal with Dragonite a Normal/Flying, except as dragons the type made no sense. And thus, the Dragon type was born. GameFreak invented it solely for that evolutionary line (The only one that was Dragon-typed in Gen I), and just added more Dragon types every generation.
Unrelated: They wouldn't make it pure Flying because (in my view), the logical rule that nothing can fly forever. Pure flying type to some people that it just flies and flies and that's it. Pidgey fits in with Rattata as far as being a normal type. The new pure-flying Tornadus is a weird genie-thing that actually looks like it can fly forever without resting. So okay. I'm going way off here.
Alright Jr, thanks for the laughs. Just get this straight, I don't want to make Octillery a Dragon (why the intercourse even, an octopus dragon? You thought I was serious?).
I still want it to exist though. But I'm not feelin' the Dark thing, really. It just seems too.. obvious. That's why I said Electric (electric kraken aaaahhhhhh) but in truth, I'd like it to remain pure Water.
That's all.
Because JrDude can't prove anyone wrong, in fact he's always wrong. Losing an argument to JrDude? PFFFFFFFFFFF, nah, I was kidding. Everything he said is true and I knew, I just wanted to see JrDude get tense. There's no way I was wrong. No. Way.
I'll say I take this project seriously, then say I was trolling you to get you tense, because trolling you is taking this seriously. Oh no, I'm not actually gonna say the word troll, because I wasn't trolling, I was just doing something to make someone angry to get a laugh, and that isn't trolling. I do nothing wrong.
Oh I do make mistakes, but I made no mistakes here.
I'm still for pure water, because never even mentioning pure water means I've been up for it forever.
JrDude knew what he was talking about in some sense? Well I knew of all the things he said all along, in fact I knew more, so here's a bunch of facts I just read about the Dragon type because I'm so much smarter than you.
Quote from: JrDude 益 on April 25, 2011, 01:54:16 PM
Because JrDude can't prove anyone wrong, in fact he's always wrong. Losing an argument to JrDude? PFFFFFFFFFFF, nah, I was kidding. Everything he said is true and I knew, I just wanted to see JrDude get tense. There's no way I was wrong. No. Way.
I'll say I take this project seriously, then say I was trolling you to get you tense, because trolling you is taking this seriously. Oh no, I'm not actually gonna say the word troll, because I wasn't trolling, I was just doing something to make someone angry to get a laugh, and that isn't trolling. I do nothing wrong.
Oh I do make mistakes, but I made no mistakes here.
I'm still for pure water, because never even mentioning pure water means I've been up for it forever.
JrDude knew what he was talking about in some sense? Well I knew of all the things he said all along, in fact I knew more, so here's a bunch of facts I just read about the Dragon type because I'm so much smarter than you.
Eh, wha? More like I was also distracting from the fact I haven't finished the drawings yet. I've been busy. And I wanted to spark some other argument.
And the pure water thing? I'll admit, it was only in the back of my mind until now. I've always been thinking it but I was so quick to put forth the dual-typed idea just because of the ferocity of turning an octopus into a kraken, then I thought "Wait a minute, it doesn't even have to get a second type. Octillery kept the type of its base form... a fish."
Also about the Dragon type, I was adding to this thing you said:
Quote from: JrDude 益 on April 25, 2011, 04:21:42 AM
And the reason Gyarados wasn't a dragon type is because there would have been no point as the only dragon move originally was Dragon Rage, which had a set amount of power so couldn't get a STAB from it anyway. It would also be near impossible to get a strong move against it since Dragon is immune to what water is weak to.
Also Dark didn't exist in gen 1 at all. You won't find a Dark Pokémon in Gen 1 no matter how evil. The only added on type was Magnemite/ton's steel.
This was actually in SUPPORT of what you said above. They obviously didn't give too much consideration into a Dragon type, because like I said they just made it so the Dratini line would have something that sets it apart from everything else: being the only Pokemon with that strange type that resisted all three starter types. Oh, Dragon isn't "Immune" to what Water's weak too. It takes half damage. I have no clue what you're trying to defend with that, but it seems unimportant so I'll leave it.
Junior, just drop it already. I got my laugh, and that's all, lol. Just looking for ways to cheer myself up after the terrible turn of events in my life that I won't go into. Let it go and move on. It's done.
AAAAAAAAAAANNNNNNYYYYWWAAYYYYYYY, We really should think of what to do for Qwilfish's evo. Obvioulsy we should do SOMETHING for it, but it's hard to think of what. Suggestions, guys.
If you're angry, take it somewhere else. You're causing unnecessary arguments that you basically claim you could have avoided. This is a thread where arguments are dangerous, and if you want an argument, start it in a thread that can be locked and not matter. If you wanna see me "get tense," do it in a different thread I post in. I don't want your bull poop to get this thread locked again.
I had problems recently too. Possibly worse, just as bad, or not as bad, doesn't matter because it is something I needed a distraction from too. This isn't the place to get an argument laugh distraction.
Quote from: JrDude 益 on April 25, 2011, 02:31:28 PM
If you're angry, take it somewhere else. You're causing unnecessary arguments that you basically claim you could have avoided. This is a thread where arguments are dangerous, and if you want an argument, start it in a thread that can be locked and not matter. If you wanna see me "get tense," do it in a different thread I post in. I don't want your bull poop to get this thread locked again.
I had problems recently too. Possibly worse, just as bad, or not as bad, doesn't matter because it is something I needed a distraction from too. This isn't the place to get an argument laugh distraction.
I'm not angry, lol. You're the one flipping poop over there. Now please shut the intercourse up about that and focus on the topic at hand.
Which by the way, I think it needs more fins. Qwilfish doesn't even have fins. What a poor fish.
[spoiler](http://www.dimensionsguide.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/06/Size-of-a-Blowfish.jpg)[/spoiler]
See? Fins.
The only thing we can do to it is a Lickilicky type of thing, bigger version with some new features. And because you hate Lickilicky it means we can't do anything like with Girafarig.
And if we still can do the Qwilfish, we still can do Girafarig. Not having an idea of what the evolution doesn't mean it's a horrible idea to get one, unless you think your own idea is bad too.
Can you kids remain civil for ten minutes?
Honestly, it's hard to be civil the way this guy responds.
*Insert idea*
K: NOPE, stupid idea here, and here's why it sucks soooo much.
He doesn't say it in a civil way, he just flat out insults it.
Why do you think I get annoyed with him so easily? The guy is a intercourse ing retard.
Except I've even defended every single point I've brought to the table, unlike Rob who can't defend anything.
Also Jr, I have asked you several times to come up with the slightest ideas for what a Girafarig evo would look like, and you've come up short. All you've offered me is "a thing like Lickilicky," which really doesn't put an image in my head.
I have enough ideas for Qwilfish (fins, as well as a few prototype sketches) that it seems doable. Girafarig, I have nothing. I said I was against it, but I also said (if you were paying attention) that I'd look at any ideas you had.
Bottom line. If you want a Girafarig evo, pitch me ideas. If not, stop whining. It's a reasonable request, is it not?
Stop bickering, or I'm going to flat out delete both of your guys' threads.
Quote from: Silverhawk79 on April 25, 2011, 06:07:27 PM
Stop bickering, or I'm going to flat out delete both of your guys' threads.
Silver I'm not doing anything except for asking for ideas. I've been given none on the evolutions here. THAT's what everyone's whining about.
You guys whine and whine about how this or that should get an evolution yet you have nothing to show for it. I'd be open to more ideas if you HAD them. Simply saying "Give Girafarig an evolution" is NOT going to cut it. It wasn't an idea I was considering, so I'm not going to support it until I see what you have in mind. Thank you.
Quote from: Kondor on April 25, 2011, 06:10:07 PM
Silver I'm not doing anything except for asking for ideas. I've been given none on the evolutions here. THAT's what everyone's whining about.
You guys whine and whine about how this or that should get an evolution yet you have nothing to show for it. I'd be open to more ideas if you HAD them. Simply saying "Give Girafarig an evolution" is NOT going to cut it. It wasn't an idea I was considering, so I'm not going to support it until I see what you have in mind. Thank you.
It might be in your tone. I don't know, and I don't care all that much.
Rob, either stop excluding people from working on this, or I'm shutting it down.
Love how you guys call me an idiot when you aren't contributing anything to the project yourself. Priceless.
Quote from: Kondor on April 25, 2011, 06:15:07 PM
Love how you guys call me an idiot when you aren't contributing anything to the project yourself. Priceless.
I came up with Frog starter.
I came up with horses. (With help, though no help from you specifically)
I came up with Silverhawkémon.
I came up with Kraken.
I've helped plenty, and keep trying to help more. But you keep insulting all the other ideas I give and I am defending them, thus not being able to think of more specific ideas you claim to be asking for.
You aren't asking for ideas btw. You seem to just say that when you defend yourself. I give a few ideas and you just insult all/most of them.
Draw like you said you would and we could help more in what you're asking. You haven't drawn 1 thing since the Chick and Frog. It's hard to give ideas if we have nothing to base it off of.
Also, don't troll in this thread. You claim to want to take this seriously in a poop ton of PMs you sent me, yet you troll. You contradict yourself too much.
"We shouldn't evolve a gimmick Pokémon"
Good response
"NO. It is a horrible idea, I'm not even gonna consider it because it's stupid. No."
This is almost every response you give with different wording and false explanations on why they suck rather than good reasonings on why they aren't very good ideas.
Your poopty arguments are causing the whining you're telling us not to do. Stop being such a jackass in your arguments and we won't "ninny"
Insult me, I don't care because that has nothing to do with anything, but don't insult an idea that could turn out to be good when you don't cast it aside immediately JUST because you think it sounds dumb.
Quote from: JrDude 益 on April 25, 2011, 06:51:56 PM
I came up with Frog starter.
I came up with horses. (With help, though no help from you specifically)
I came up with Silverhawkémon.
I came up with Kraken.
I've helped plenty, and keep trying to help more. But you keep insulting all the other ideas I give and I am defending them, thus not being able to think of more specific ideas you claim to be asking for.
You aren't asking for ideas btw. You seem to just say that when you defend yourself. I give a few ideas and you just insult all/most of them.
"We shouldn't evolve a gimmick Pokémon"
Good response
"NO. It is a horrible idea, I'm not even gonna consider it because it's stupid. No."
This is almost every response you give with different wording and false explanations on why they suck rather than good reasonings on why they aren't very good ideas.
Your poopty arguments are causing the whining you're telling us not to do. Stop being such a jackass in your arguments and we won't "ninny"
Insult me, I don't care because that has nothing to do with anything, but don't insult an idea that could turn out to be good when you don't cast it aside immediately JUST because you think it sounds dumb.
How many times am I going to have to say this? HOW MANY TIMES? I cast ideas aside because they have nothing. Sure I don't LIKE some of them, but the reason I ignore them is because I have nothing to support it, and none of you will give me anything either.
Also I've asked you SEVERAL times for ideas. I've said to convince me on what you brought up. That means, give me ideas so I see what you're getting at. Also, you've turned down some of my ideas because they were "stupid" so don't pull that bullpoop.
We have nothing on the frog starter besides "It's a frog."
We have nothing on Silvermon, other than "It's a silver hawk" and a Steel/Flying type, if we even go with that.
We have nothing on Octokraken except "It should be based on the Kraken."
I've said it before and I'll say it again. Instead of whining about me not liking your ideas, give me REASONS to like them. I'm all ears for new ideas.
Quote from: JrDude 益 on April 25, 2011, 06:51:56 PM
Draw like you said you would and we could help more in what you're asking. You haven't drawn 1 thing since the Chick and Frog. It's hard to give ideas if we have nothing to base it off of.
Also, don't troll in this thread. You claim to want to take this seriously in a poop ton of PMs you sent me, yet you troll. You contradict yourself too much.
Quote from: JrDude 益 on April 25, 2011, 06:51:56 PM
you keep insulting all the other ideas I give and I am defending them, thus not being able to think of more specific ideas you claim to be asking for.
Last time I edited, you responded before the edit was finished, so I thought I would make a new post this time.
Thing you've said many times? You said it 0 times. 1 if you count that post. What you say is insulting bullpoop which just sounds like "I hate this idea"
Also, I've never cast aside any of your ideas because I thought they were stupid. Name one time.
One thing I did do is gave an argument on one of your ideas (or was it Robs and you wanted it too? IDK). Corsola. You agreed. It ended. Whoo. OMG I'm so sorry you agreed with the idea. Please forgive meeeee
Quote from: Silverhawk79 on April 25, 2011, 06:11:40 PM
It might be in your tone. I don't know, and I don't care all that much.
Rob, either stop excluding people from working on this, or I'm shutting it down.
I haven't excluded anyone from working on anything. K is just a intercourse ing idiot. Seriously, read some of his posts and look at how he talks in IRC.
Quote from: Riddler_Robin on April 26, 2011, 06:52:57 AM
I haven't excluded anyone from working on anything. K is just a intercourse ing idiot. Seriously, read some of his posts and look at how he talks in IRC.
Calling me an idiot in every other post you make isn't helping anything; it's just annoying. I'm coming up with Pokémon designs and drawings, okay? Okay.
And no i haven't posted these designs I'm coming up with because, well, they're not starters, legendaries, or relatives of existing Pokémon. As such, I'm withholding them like you asked.
Alright, back after a hiatus. What've we talked about so far? Eeveelution pics we thought of? Grass starter ideas?
Quote from: Nayrman on April 26, 2011, 01:53:59 PM
Alright, back after a hiatus. What've we talked about so far? Eeveelution pics we thought of? Grass starter ideas?
None of that. Those caused arguments, so we moved on, just to create more arguments.
Kaos is arguing with everyone, and apparently Rob is overreacting to something.
We're talking about evos of other gens (Not counting Eevee yet). Biggest one being discussed was Octillery to Kraken type evolution.
Quote from: Nayrman on April 26, 2011, 01:53:59 PM
Alright, back after a hiatus. What've we talked about so far? Eeveelution pics we thought of? Grass starter ideas?
No one will give me anything. /sigh
Has Rob given the okay to discuss Eeveelutions? I still have Toxeon and Insecteon (working titles) on the drawing board.
I personally don't want Eeveelutions to be in the dex, but that's just me. Seems to be an easy route to arguments.
Since I have nothing on Eeveelutions, I'll need a base for ideas to add to them, because I don't have the slightest idea on what they should look like.
[spoiler=The Rob Horse Pic](http://i.imgur.com/Dlru3.jpg)[/spoiler]
(I know you're not doing colors, but I shall mention them anyway)
Demon horse. Use something like the above pic, except all black.
Change something about the head hair though, as I don't like it in it's face. Make it, like, up.
The hair on the head and tail, I want it to be dark red.
Eyes red.
Quote from: JrDude 益 on April 26, 2011, 03:32:01 PM
[spoiler=The Rob Horse Pic](http://i.imgur.com/Dlru3.jpg)[/spoiler]
(I know you're not doing colors, but I shall mention them anyway)
Demon horse. Use something like the above pic, except all black.
Change something about the head hair though, as I don't like it in it's face. Make it, like, up.
The hair on the head and tail, I want it to be dark red.
Eyes red.
Demon horse? I thought we were going Pegasus (Flying), Hippocamp (Water), and whatever that Grass thing is.
Also I already have the Eeveelutions designed for the most part. I'll have drawings in before I ask for feedback.
Quote from: Kondor on April 26, 2011, 03:42:16 PM
Demon horse? I thought we were going Pegasus (Flying), Hippocamp (Water), and whatever that Grass thing is.
Also I already have the Eeveelutions designed for the most part. I'll have drawings in before I ask for feedback.
There's 4 horses.
Look at the first post.
There's a trio, and tro leader (aka, fourth Poké). Demon horse is part of trio, Pegasus is trio leader.
Quote from: JrDude 益 on April 26, 2011, 03:44:22 PM
There's 4 horses.
Look at the first post.
There's a trio, and tro leader (aka, fourth Poké). Demon horse is part of trio, Pegasus is trio leader.
Eh? I thought Pegasus was one of the three... I guess not.
What was the "demon horse" supposed to be based on? Everything else had some mythological creature to be based on, but I don't remember this one. Or is it just a Dark-typed "demon horse"? OR IS IT FIRE?
Which actually would make sense since it mirrors the Starter types-- perhaps imply that during gameplay you would encounter a certain horse first, based on your starter. (i.e. you first have access to the one that beats your starter) or something. Kind of like in FR/LG when you would find Entei if you picked Bulbasaur, Raikou if you picked Squirtle, and Suicune if you picked Charmander.
They aren't necessarily based off mythological creatures, more based off of Zeus (Pegasus), Poseiden (Hippocamp), Hades (EVIL [fire] HORSE OF DEATH), and Demeter (Grass harvest horse).
Like I said, look at first post.
Also, maybe 1 or 2 roam, but I don't think the hades horse should roam. Hades was tricked and basically trapped to be the God of Hell. So he should be stuck in an area (chained up?) where you... free him? THEN HE ROAMS, maybe. Doesn't matter I guess.
And after you capture or steal the item using some item stealing move, you can give the item the Hades horse is holding automatically to Octillery, level it up underwater, then Octillery evolves into the Kraken evo.
Quote from: JrDude 益 on April 26, 2011, 03:53:19 PM
They aren't necessarily based off mythological creatures, more based off of Zeus (Pegasus), Poseiden (Hippocamp), Hades (EVIL [fire] HORSE OF DEATH), and Demeter (Grass harvest horse).
It IS a fire type?
Soooo, it's like Rapidash. A fire typed horse
Why am I not okay with this. Oh yeah, same reason I didn't like how Pansear was a carbon copy of Chimchar (though I disliked Chimchar). There already IS a fire horse. And I don't exactly want to make it dual-typed, since no other legendary trio follows this. They're either all dual-typed or all single-typed, except for Kyogre-Groudon-Rayquaza. But Rayquaza was obviously more powerful than the other two, so it's ALMOST justified (plus it was a cover legendary trio).
Yeah we worked ourselves into a corner here, having two usable ideas but one being two close to an existing but unrelated Pokémon.... a situation I'd hoped to avoid.
Doesn't matter.
I wanted it to be dark type, but everyone said "it doesn't seem trio-y, SO LET'S COPY THE FIRST 2 TRIOS BY MAKING IT FIRE! ♥"
The original was no Demeter horse. Just Zeus, Poseidon, and Hades. My suggestion was "Fly, Water, Dark." But those didn't seem "trio-y," so they suggested "Electric, Water, Fire" (elements or something) Then I said that makes no sense for Pegasus, then eventually Demeter got in the picture, then it was "Grass, Fire, Water + Fly" because "it makes sense" and then I was like "fine..."
Anyway. We have Fire monkey, then another fire monkey. We can do it regardless.
Quote from: JrDude 益 on April 26, 2011, 04:07:27 PM
Doesn't matter.
I wanted it to be dark type, but everyone said "it doesn't seem trio-y, SO LET'S COPY THE FIRST 2 TRIOS BY MAKING IT FIRE! ♥"
The original was no Demeter horse. Just Zeus, Poseidon, and Hades. My suggestion was "Fly, Water, Dark." But those didn't seem "trio-y," so they suggested "Electric, Water, Fire" (elements or something) Then I said that makes no sense for Pegasus, then eventually Demeter got in the picture, then it was "Grass, Fire, Water + Fly" because "it makes sense" and then I was like "fine..."
Anyway. We have Fire monkey, then another fire monkey. We can do it regardless.
Except the fire monkey being copied wasn't GOOD. Just because GameFreak did it, doesn't make it a good idea. It doesn't mean we should do the same things they do. First of all, one of the objections I had about the horses was the fact that they were too... plain. For one, horses have already been done. Two, they're clearly real animals. I was hoping for a trio that mixed so many things that they still looked good, but unique. Not just elemental horses. This is the same reason I have to give the fighting trio of Unova some credit-- they don't look like real animals that have had a few elemental additions to them.
Entei, Raikou, and Suicune I liked. They were obviously animals, but with so many changes to them (and they don't look like they just come from one animal each) they actually looked more unique. The only image in my head is horses. While It's not so much of a problem with the hippocamp thing, the fire one is what gets me most of all. What are we going to do? Make it's mane, tail, etc. fire? Wait, that's Rapidash.
Okay what I'm trying to say is, the fire one is Rapidash, and I don't want us to pull what Gamefreak did with the fire monkeys. Besides, since it's a fan dex,
you KNOW people will criticize it. I don't want us to be accused of being "unoriginal." I do NOT like the fire horse idea.
It's a demon horse that is fire typed.
I was thinking of adding horns and poop to make it devilish.
It's not gonna look anything like Rapidash. It's just gonna be a horse that happens to be Fire too.
Quote from: JrDude 益 on April 26, 2011, 04:41:55 PM
It's a demon horse that is fire typed.
I was thinking of adding horns and poop to make it devilish.
It's not gonna look anything like Rapidash. It's just gonna be a horse that happens to be Fire too.
How do we make it look fire then? The other two have fins or vines or whatever. The traditional representation of fire is physical fire somewhere on the body, if not an orange color. The starters all have physical fire, everything else falls into the color except for HOUNDOOM. A dark Fire type (Actually a Dark/Fire type--I wasn't referring to the Dark type there) with devil-like qualities--the horns and the tail for instance. So what we're leaning towards is... a Rapidash/Houndoom mix?
Houndoom is a dark Pokemon with not-so-obvious-by-appearance fire qualities. That's pretty much what you're trying to get with this, is it not?
Yes. Houndoom version of a horse, except a lot different because making Horsedoom would be kinda lame.
But look at Entei, doesn't even look like a Fire type, yet is.
Like I said earlier, dark red hair and tail. Feet remain all black, horse shoes can be dark red as well. Skeletal horns maybe, maybe not, but some form of horns to signify demon.
Quote from: JrDude 益 on April 26, 2011, 05:00:54 PM
Yes. Houndoom version of a horse, except a lot different because making Horsedoom would be kinda lame.
But look at Entei, doesn't even look like a Fire type, yet is.
Like I said earlier, dark red hair and tail. Feet remain all black, horse shoes can be dark red as well. Skeletal horns maybe, maybe not, but some form of horns to signify demon.
It's just... so different from all the other horses in the trio, er, quartet. The way you're describing it it just seems like it's more powerful than a member of the "minor trio".
Who cares if it looks like it's more powerful? I mean, Hades did create the Kraken, a beast that could kill the Gods if I remember correctly.
You need to stop saying "Even though Gamefreak did it it's a bad idea."
No. That argument doesn't mean jack poop. In fact, the fact that they did it gives us more justification to do poop. Rhydon didn't need an Evo but got one. We don't need to stick to things that "need evolutions". We don't need to keep pokemon different because there are similar Pokemon out there.
Are all electric rodents the same exact Pokemon?
Are all fish the same Pokemon?
Pidgey, Spearow, Farfetch'd, Doduo, HootHoot, Togetic, Taillow, Swablu, Starly, Chatot, Pidove, Rufflet, and their lines. All Normal/Flying. Are they all the same?
Rapidash is a slender white unicorn that has fire.
Hadeshorse will be a bulky, muscular, evil looking dark black horse with flames.
Ok. They're both horses with fire. Who gives a intercourse ?
The Poseidon horse will have a intercourse ing fish end, and you're saying that a Demon Horse will look too DIFFERENT?
Rob has forced me out of the project. Everyone, continuing it myself in my thread. If you want it to be a project everyone can work on, we'll discuss there. I'm sick and tired of this crap just because Rob's a closed-minded idiot who thinks this project should only be what he wants.
Quote from: Kondor on April 26, 2011, 05:16:52 PM
Rob has forced me out of the project. Everyone, continuing it myself in my thread. If you want it to be a project everyone can work on, we'll discuss there. I'm sick and tired of this crap just because Rob's a closed-minded idiot who thinks this project should only be what he wants.
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You poop holes are gonna get the project closed.
Kiss and make up before someone closes this.
Quote from: JrDude 益 on April 26, 2011, 05:22:10 PM
You poop holes are gonna get the project closed.
Kiss and make up before someone closes this.
Actually I'm probably gonna shut it down myself. I've lost interest. Kocksucker singlehandedly took the fun out of my whole idea of this project.
Edit: You know what? I've got too much schoolwork and poop until may is over anyway so intercourse it. Have fun. Go ahead and keep my ideas too.