This time I was pikachu the whole ten rounds...teh stats:
First: 5
Second: 4
Third: 0
Fourth: 1
You have to admit, that is better. :P
yes their still level 5's... :(
Obviously better, but you still got last place.
For you choice of Pikachu, do you choose him because you just like him as a character, or you enjoy his play style?
Also, I would reccomend training on 6's instead of 5's, simply because 6's have really bad DI (directional influence) and 5s, while they still have bad DI, DI better than 6's. It'll help you land you aerial attacks. Once you can beat 6s 10/10, go back to 5s.
Quote from: Dawei on January 03, 2008, 04:08:00 PM
Obviously better, but you still got last place.
It was once, and that was the ninth round...:(
Good to see you're improving. :)
Quote from: Zora Link on January 03, 2008, 04:10:09 PM
Quote from: Dawei on January 03, 2008, 04:08:00 PM
Obviously better, but you still got last place.
It was once, and that was the ninth round...:(
olol post update
Quote from: Dawei on January 03, 2008, 04:08:00 PM
Obviously better, but you still got last place.
For you choice of Pikachu, do you choose him because you just like him as a character, or you enjoy his play style?
Also, I would reccomend training on 6's instead of 5's, simply because 6's have really bad DI (directional influence) and 5s, while they still have bad DI, DI better than 6's. It'll help you land you aerial attacks. Once you can beat 6s 10/10, go back to 5s.
-_- It logged me out when I was posting... >:(
anyways...
I chose pikachu
at the first because of 2 things:
1. I like pokemon
2. Down+B spam (which I no longer do)
And I guess He just kinda became my main...I now try to stratagize with him and stuff. His play style just kinda...idk...stuck with me, I guess.
And you told me to stay with level 1, 5, and 8...so now I'm just confused...
Quote from: Zora Link on January 03, 2008, 04:20:36 PM
Quote from: Dawei on January 03, 2008, 04:08:00 PM
Obviously better, but you still got last place.
For you choice of Pikachu, do you choose him because you just like him as a character, or you enjoy his play style?
Also, I would reccomend training on 6's instead of 5's, simply because 6's have really bad DI (directional influence) and 5s, while they still have bad DI, DI better than 6's. It'll help you land you aerial attacks. Once you can beat 6s 10/10, go back to 5s.
-_- It logged me out when I was posting... >:(
anyways...
I chose pikachu at the first because of 2 things:
1. I like pokemon
2. Down+B spam (which I no longer do)
And I guess He just kinda became my main...I now try to stratagize with him and stuff. His play style just kinda...idk...stuck with me, I guess.
And you told me to stay with level 1, 5, and 8...so now I'm just confused...
You know what annoys me, my sister's best character is OBVIOUSLY Marth and Dr. Mario, but she will almost NEVER play as them because they aren't pokemon. :-\
She plays with Pichu ALL THE TIME! And it's annoying, becaise she just can't PLAY AT ALL with pichu.
We played Pichu vs. Pichu. I got hit once.
Quote from: Zora Link on January 03, 2008, 04:20:36 PM
Quote from: Dawei on January 03, 2008, 04:08:00 PM
Obviously better, but you still got last place.
For you choice of Pikachu, do you choose him because you just like him as a character, or you enjoy his play style?
Also, I would reccomend training on 6's instead of 5's, simply because 6's have really bad DI (directional influence) and 5s, while they still have bad DI, DI better than 6's. It'll help you land you aerial attacks. Once you can beat 6s 10/10, go back to 5s.
-_- It logged me out when I was posting... >:(
anyways...
I chose pikachu at the first because of 2 things:
1. I like pokemon
2. Down+B spam (which I no longer do)
And I guess He just kinda became my main...I now try to stratagize with him and stuff. His play style just kinda...idk...stuck with me, I guess.
And you told me to stay with level 1, 5, and 8...so now I'm just confused...
Because of those two reasons, I recommend trying out new characters. When I first started playing, I would use link because I liked him, but I was really really bad. I started switching up my characters, and I've gotten a ton better. It shouldn't always be about liking a character for who they are, but how they play/if you do well with them. But if you really want to use Pikachu, DOWN SMASH MOAR. You should be winning plenty at that level if you use it.
Yes, I know I said 1, 5, and 8. They are the best to train on regularly. But if you are having trouble with 5, it may be better do use 6s a bit. While level 5 will help you in the long run, level six will help you in getting more offensive. Kind of replace 8 with 6, and then with 7, and then up to 8, if that makes any sense.
Also 1Vs1.
Quote from: Dawei on January 03, 2008, 04:28:48 PM
Quote from: Zora Link on January 03, 2008, 04:20:36 PM
Quote from: Dawei on January 03, 2008, 04:08:00 PM
Obviously better, but you still got last place.
For you choice of Pikachu, do you choose him because you just like him as a character, or you enjoy his play style?
Also, I would reccomend training on 6's instead of 5's, simply because 6's have really bad DI (directional influence) and 5s, while they still have bad DI, DI better than 6's. It'll help you land you aerial attacks. Once you can beat 6s 10/10, go back to 5s.
-_- It logged me out when I was posting... >:(
anyways...
I chose pikachu at the first because of 2 things:
1. I like pokemon
2. Down+B spam (which I no longer do)
And I guess He just kinda became my main...I now try to stratagize with him and stuff. His play style just kinda...idk...stuck with me, I guess.
And you told me to stay with level 1, 5, and 8...so now I'm just confused...
Because of those two reasons, I recommend trying out new characters. When I first started playing, I would use link because I liked him, but I was really really bad. I started switching up my characters, and I've gotten a ton better. It shouldn't always be about liking a character for who they are, but how they play/if you do well with them. But if you really want to use Pikachu, DOWN SMASH MOAR. You should be winning plenty at that level if you use it.
Yes, I know I said 1, 5, and 8. They are the best to train on regularly. But if you are having trouble with 5, it may be better do use 6s a bit. While level 5 will help you in the long run, level six will help you in getting more offensive. Kind of replace 8 with 6, and then with 7, and then up to 8, if that makes any sense.
Also 1Vs1.
that's why I bolded "at the first". I like the way he works...honestly, pikachu would probably have to be my best character...then link, or young link, or marth, or roy, or Dr. mario. (I really have tried all of them...'cept bowser and ganondorf...can't take the slowness.)
And I do down smash (so that's what you call it...) a lot. I just used to do nothing but.
I'd upload a video, but I have none of the proper equipment or tools to do so.
and on 1 v. 1, I can beat level 9...about 50-60% of the time
If you like the way he works, than that is all there is to it. Enjoying how you play your character, and now just who he/she is will help you immensely.
Yes, anything with the c-stick is called a smash. Speaking of which, do you use the c-stick? It's generally accepted as a noobish thing by newbish players, but it can help greatly, and is used and well accepted within the professional community. Pikachu has some high priority aerials, and the c-stick will help him.
If you can do well enough to beat Level 9s 5-6/10 times, you can't be completely bad. But unless you just have poopty defence, you shouldn't do much in FFAs, and even then only on you vs everyone else.
And speaking of videos, I reccomend watching some Pikachu videos on youtube. Anything with Chu dat, preferably. I'll try to find some. It can really help with strategies, and knowing what your character can do.
Edit: Here (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2p0JmkhBJjg) is a good one.
Quote from: Dawei on January 03, 2008, 04:46:11 PM
If you like the way he works, than that is all there is to it. Enjoying how you play your character, and now just who he/she is will help you immensely.
Yes, anything with the c-stick is called a smash. Speaking of which, do you use the c-stick? It's generally accepted as a noobish thing by newbish players, but it can help greatly, and is used and well accepted within the professional community. Pikachu has some high priority aerials, and the c-stick will help him.
If you can do well enough to beat Level 9s 5-6/10 times, you can't be completely bad. But unless you just have s***ty defence, you shouldn't do much in FFAs, and even then only on you vs everyone else.
And speaking of videos, I reccomend watching some Pikachu videos on youtube. Anything with Chu dat, preferably. I'll try to find some. It can really help with strategies, and knowing what your character can do.
Edit: Here (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2p0JmkhBJjg) is a good one.
no, I use the buttons...I've never even touched the c-stick before...(it is the buttons that do the same thing...right?) XD
So your saying not to do Free-for-alls? Sorry to sound noobish, but I really want to improve, and I'm not quite sure what your saying...:(
[/faceplant]
I shoulda thought of that...D:
Quote from: Zora Link on January 03, 2008, 04:52:06 PM
Quote from: Dawei on January 03, 2008, 04:46:11 PM
If you like the way he works, than that is all there is to it. Enjoying how you play your character, and now just who he/she is will help you immensely.
Yes, anything with the c-stick is called a smash. Speaking of which, do you use the c-stick? It's generally accepted as a noobish thing by newbish players, but it can help greatly, and is used and well accepted within the professional community. Pikachu has some high priority aerials, and the c-stick will help him.
If you can do well enough to beat Level 9s 5-6/10 times, you can't be completely bad. But unless you just have s***ty defence, you shouldn't do much in FFAs, and even then only on you vs everyone else.
And speaking of videos, I reccomend watching some Pikachu videos on youtube. Anything with Chu dat, preferably. I'll try to find some. It can really help with strategies, and knowing what your character can do.
Edit: Here (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2p0JmkhBJjg) is a good one.
no, I use the buttons...I've never even touched the c-stick before...(it is the buttons that do the same thing...right?) XD
So your saying not to do Free-for-alls? Sorry to sound noobish, but I really want to improve, and I'm not quite sure what your saying...:(
[/faceplant]
I shoulda thought of that...D:
The C-stick is the yellow thing angled under the b button. I'll make a diagram if you still need help with that.
Yeah, I'm saying don't do Free-for-alls. It can teach you bad camping habits (there are right ways and wrong ways to camp), and decrease offensive potential. I know when my friends would play 4 and 3 player matches often I would just sit on the side and spam Arrows with link or the blaster with Fox. 1vs1 will make you use all (or most) of what is at your disposal.
ok...pikachu lost...and that was a good one to show me?
@_@
too much jerking around, they can't stand still?
And he hardly used downB at all...
Quote from: Dawei on January 03, 2008, 05:00:06 PM
Quote from: Zora Link on January 03, 2008, 04:52:06 PM
Quote from: Dawei on January 03, 2008, 04:46:11 PM
If you like the way he works, than that is all there is to it. Enjoying how you play your character, and now just who he/she is will help you immensely.
Yes, anything with the c-stick is called a smash. Speaking of which, do you use the c-stick? It's generally accepted as a noobish thing by newbish players, but it can help greatly, and is used and well accepted within the professional community. Pikachu has some high priority aerials, and the c-stick will help him.
If you can do well enough to beat Level 9s 5-6/10 times, you can't be completely bad. But unless you just have s***ty defence, you shouldn't do much in FFAs, and even then only on you vs everyone else.
And speaking of videos, I reccomend watching some Pikachu videos on youtube. Anything with Chu dat, preferably. I'll try to find some. It can really help with strategies, and knowing what your character can do.
Edit: Here (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2p0JmkhBJjg) is a good one.
no, I use the buttons...I've never even touched the c-stick before...(it is the buttons that do the same thing...right?) XD
So your saying not to do Free-for-alls? Sorry to sound noobish, but I really want to improve, and I'm not quite sure what your saying...:(
[/faceplant]
I shoulda thought of that...D:
The C-stick is the yellow thing angled under the b button. I'll make a diagram if you still need help with that.
Yeah, I'm saying don't do Free-for-alls. It can teach you bad camping habits (there are right ways and wrong ways to camp), and decrease offensive potential. I know when my friends would play 4 and 3 player matches often I would just sit on the side and spam Arrows with link or the blaster with Fox. 1vs1 will make you use all (or most) of what is at your disposal.
I know what the C-stick is. :P
I just never used it before.
ok...I'm gonna try a ten round against level nines one on one.
see how that works out...
Quote from: Zora Link on January 03, 2008, 05:01:57 PM
ok...pikachu lost...and that was a good one to show me?
@_@
too much jerking around, they can't stand still?
And he hardly used downB at all...
Jerking around and not staying still exactly why I showed it to you. You should never stand still, unless it is part of some uber-advanced mind game. Because there is always frames of lag for everything you do you should just wait for someone.
Down b isn't a down smash. A down smash is down on the c-stick (Or slamming down on the control stick and at the same time). And yes, I know he didn't do that much either, but at your current skill level you should use it.
Quote from: Dawei on January 03, 2008, 05:09:45 PM
Quote from: Zora Link on January 03, 2008, 05:01:57 PM
ok...pikachu lost...and that was a good one to show me?
@_@
too much jerking around, they can't stand still?
And he hardly used downB at all...
Jerking around and not staying still exactly why I showed it to you. You should never stand still, unless it is part of some uber-advanced mind game. Because there is always frames of lag for everything you do you should just wait for someone.
Down b isn't a down smash. A down smash is down on the c-stick (Or slamming down on the control stick and at the same time). And yes, I know he didn't do that much either, but at your current skill level you should use it.
at my skill level, I'm not to worried about frame-by-frame stuff, but I'll keep that in mind...
as for the level nines...only one thing to say...I
used to be able to beat them...I didn't think it had been long enough to make that much of a difference...but apparantly it has.
So, I did my 10 1 on 1 rounds with level 7 comps. teh stats:
wins: 10
Losses: 0
I say it couldn't have went any better. :)
If you can beat 7s perfectly, you must be standing right in the middle of everyone in the FFAs. But since you can, step it up to 8s. It'll get you to the top of your game against comps, and you'll fail less against humans (though if you play comps to much, you'll develop bad habits).
Also, what settings do you play your matches on?
Quote from: Dawei on January 03, 2008, 05:40:13 PM
If you can beat 7s perfectly, you must be standing right in the middle of everyone in the FFAs. But since you can, step it up to 8s. It'll get you to the top of your game against comps, and you'll fail less against humans (though if you play comps to much, you'll develop bad habits).
Also, what settings do you play your matches on?
For these, Time: 2:00, the default.
for the level 7 matches, random stages, and random characters. (never two of the same in a round)
*shudders at thought of a level 8*
those are better than a level 9 too....:(
still...you should never come in LAST to cpu's...
Quote from: Nayrman on January 03, 2008, 05:47:32 PM
still...you should never come in LAST to cpu's...
*coughthreepostsaboveyourscough*
Time matches? I guess that explains why you've been losing occasionally. And my response;
BAD. Time matches are bad for your soul (and skill). It's about stock. In a time FFA, as a fox player I could let someone knock the other person off, and then just sit there and blaster. If the person has no way to recover, It'll nab me the kill, and even if they can, it'll damage them so I can hit them with a forward smash.
The best settings IMO (olol tourney) are 4 stock, 8 minute. 4 stocks give you time to warm up, but it isn't to much so you will have a very long match. And even if you do have a long match, the 8 minute limit will cut it short so it doesn't go on forever. Also, training on random stages probably isn't the best idea. No one goes to flat zone (except thunder hero) for example, plus the falling objects can disrupt you and K.O. you from 0. I don't want to sound to much like a tourney fag, but the best stages to practice on are;
Fountain of Dreams
The yoshi stage next to Fountain of dreams (can't remember the name)
Pokemon Stadium
Battle Field
Final Destination
Dream Land 64
Kongo Jungle
Those aren't the only stages you should play on, but those are the most neutral, so you can truly work on skill.
Quote from: Zora Link on January 03, 2008, 05:51:58 PM
Quote from: Nayrman on January 03, 2008, 05:47:32 PM
still...you should never come in LAST to cpu's...
*coughthreepostsaboveyourscough*
okay okay...sheesh. I was responding to the first post X_X;
Quote from: Dawei on January 03, 2008, 05:55:19 PM
Time matches? I guess that explains why you've been losing occasionally. And my response;
BAD. Time matches are bad for your soul (and skill). It's about stock. In a time FFA, as a fox player I could let someone knock the other person off, and then just sit there and blaster. If the person has no way to recover, It'll nab me the kill, and even if they can, it'll damage them so I can hit them with a forward smash.
The best settings IMO (olol tourney) are 4 stock, 8 minute. 4 stocks give you time to warm up, but it isn't to much so you will have a very long match. And even if you do have a long match, the 8 minute limit will cut it short so it doesn't go on forever. Also, training on random stages probably isn't the best idea. No one goes to flat zone (except thunder hero) for example, plus the falling objects can disrupt you and K.O. you from 0. I don't want to sound to much like a tourney fag, but the best stages to practice on are;
Fountain of Dreams
The yoshi stage next to Fountain of dreams (can't remember the name)
Pokemon Stadium
Battle Field
Final Destination
Dream Land 64
Kongo Jungle
Those aren't the only stages you should play on, but those are the most neutral, so you can truly work on skill.
wow...I don't think I'm that devoted...I tend to play more to have fun...not for skill only.
And Flatzone is fun, I sit under the house and laugh as the comps get KO'd by the falling tools. XD
I don't really care about the settings much, but as for stages...I also want to be good in different terrains, and situations that only come on stages such as flatzone. I think I'll keep stages at random, (except icicle mountain, pokefloats, and rainbow cruise...-_-) but I'll definatly try and remember to use stock.
Quote from: Nayrman on January 03, 2008, 05:58:00 PM
Quote from: Zora Link on January 03, 2008, 05:51:58 PM
Quote from: Nayrman on January 03, 2008, 05:47:32 PM
still...you should never come in LAST to cpu's...
*coughthreepostsaboveyourscough*
okay okay...sheesh. I was responding to the first post X_X;
meh, it's okay. :P
;)
you are incorrect, this thread should be called " I is getting better" :P
Quote from: thunderhero4 on January 03, 2008, 06:02:33 PM
you are incorrect, this thread should be called " I is getting better" :P
But i is in highskool...:O
Quote from: Zora Link on January 03, 2008, 06:01:19 PM
Quote from: Dawei on January 03, 2008, 05:55:19 PM
Time matches? I guess that explains why you've been losing occasionally. And my response;
BAD. Time matches are bad for your soul (and skill). It's about stock. In a time FFA, as a fox player I could let someone knock the other person off, and then just sit there and blaster. If the person has no way to recover, It'll nab me the kill, and even if they can, it'll damage them so I can hit them with a forward smash.
The best settings IMO (olol tourney) are 4 stock, 8 minute. 4 stocks give you time to warm up, but it isn't to much so you will have a very long match. And even if you do have a long match, the 8 minute limit will cut it short so it doesn't go on forever. Also, training on random stages probably isn't the best idea. No one goes to flat zone (except thunder hero) for example, plus the falling objects can disrupt you and K.O. you from 0. I don't want to sound to much like a tourney fag, but the best stages to practice on are;
Fountain of Dreams
The yoshi stage next to Fountain of dreams (can't remember the name)
Pokemon Stadium
Battle Field
Final Destination
Dream Land 64
Kongo Jungle
Those aren't the only stages you should play on, but those are the most neutral, so you can truly work on skill.
wow...I don't think I'm that devoted...I tend to play more to have fun...not for skill only.
And Flatzone is fun, I sit under the house and laugh as the comps get KO'd by the falling tools. XD
I don't really care about the settings much, but as for stages...I also want to be good in different terrains, and situations that only come on stages such as flatzone. I think I'll keep stages at random, (except icicle mountain, pokefloats, and rainbow cruise...-_-) but I'll definatly try and remember to use stock.
For training though use their stages. Trying to get better at the random happenings (like the falling tools) is (IMO anyway) not going to happen, even for me. If it's random, then its random and there isn't much a way to get "better" at it.
Nayrman summed it up. The reason why items and stages such as those aren't in tournaments is because they are random. There isn't skill in random, because you can't predict what can happen.
And like you were saying of the comps getting hit by the tools, not a single person who actually enjoys playing smash will sit there like a comp. It won't help you in a real match, it'll make you worse. You won't be prepared for it if you play someone who has even half a brain.
Also, not playing poke floats and rainbow cruise, but playing flat zone? Holy poop that new! Both of those stages are better training than FZ because you can predict down to the very last nanosecond when the things will appear.
The other tournament legal stages are (besides the neutral ones I listed, pokefloats, and Rainbow Cruise);
Corneria
Jungle Japes
Green Greens
The Metroid stage (not Brinstar Depths, the other one. Man I hate Brinstar Depths)
Mute City
As you can see, contrary to popular belief, tourney isn't all about "FYNAL DESTINYTIN OR DY NUB LAWLZ". Just play at those stages and you'll get the best you can be.
Quote from: Dawei on January 03, 2008, 06:20:52 PM
Nayrman summed it up. The reason why items and stages such as those aren't in tournaments is because they are random. There isn't skill in random, because you can't predict what can happen.
And like you were saying of the comps getting hit by the tools, not a single person who actually enjoys playing smash will sit there like a comp. It won't help you in a real match, it'll make you worse. You won't be prepared for it if you play someone who has even half a brain.
Also, not playing poke floats and rainbow cruise, but playing flat zone? Holy s*** that new! Both of those stages are better training than FZ because you can predict down to the very last nanosecond when the things will appear.
The other tournament legal stages are (besides the neutral ones I listed, pokefloats, and Rainbow Cruise);
Corneria
Jungle Japes
Green Greens
The Metroid stage (not Brinstar Depths, the other one. Man I hate Brinstar Depths)
Mute City
As you can see, contrary to popular belief, tourney isn't all about "FYNAL DESTINYTIN OR DY NUB LAWLZ". Just play at those stages and you'll get the best you can be.
That's new? I hate the moving stages, that's all.
And I actually know the tools thing won't work against humans. :P
I guess were different. You like stages that take pure skill to win.
And maybe it's because I've haven't played another human for a really long time, But I also like to use the stage to my advantage. Brinstar Depths is one of the best examples of that.
I realize these skills won't help me against other humans, but to completely isolate myself from the courses I do best in? I think not.
I'd say more...but I GTG...dad got mad over nothing again and I need to get off before he blows his top.
Quote from: Zora Link on January 03, 2008, 06:27:06 PM
Quote from: Dawei on January 03, 2008, 06:20:52 PM
Nayrman summed it up. The reason why items and stages such as those aren't in tournaments is because they are random. There isn't skill in random, because you can't predict what can happen.
And like you were saying of the comps getting hit by the tools, not a single person who actually enjoys playing smash will sit there like a comp. It won't help you in a real match, it'll make you worse. You won't be prepared for it if you play someone who has even half a brain.
Also, not playing poke floats and rainbow cruise, but playing flat zone? Holy s*** that new! Both of those stages are better training than FZ because you can predict down to the very last nanosecond when the things will appear.
The other tournament legal stages are (besides the neutral ones I listed, pokefloats, and Rainbow Cruise);
Corneria
Jungle Japes
Green Greens
The Metroid stage (not Brinstar Depths, the other one. Man I hate Brinstar Depths)
Mute City
As you can see, contrary to popular belief, tourney isn't all about "FYNAL DESTINYTIN OR DY NUB LAWLZ". Just play at those stages and you'll get the best you can be.
That's new? I hate the moving stages, that's all.
And I actually know the tools thing won't work against humans. :P
I guess were different. You like stages that take pure skill to win.
And maybe it's because I've haven't played another human for a really long time, But I also like to use the stage to my advantage. Brinstar Depths is one of the best examples of that.
I realize these skills won't help me against other humans, but to completely isolate myself from the courses I do best in? I think not.
I'd say more...but I GTG...dad got mad over nothing again and I need to get off before he blows his top.
The thing is you're trying to get better, and practicing on those stages isn't going to help in that regard. If you just want to have fun, sure stages like that are perfectly fine (no one ever said you had to be serious about this game), but that's just what you need to do if you want to get BETTER at it against people. It's like basketball to make things simpler. Sure, practicing free throws forever isn't as fun as chucking it half court to see if you CAN make it, but it'll make you better...
Hope that helps.
You sound just like a friend of mine used to sound. When we first started Smash together, he would play at Big blue, Onett, stages like that. He would run. With stages like that, it is a lot easier to screw up, and harder to recover. I would beat him every time until we played at Big Blue, and I would lose because I would end up falling right through the cars. I just had to get him to start playing the "skill" stages more and he got used to them. Not he hates Big blue and Onett.
Once again, Nayrman sums it up wonderfully.
Quote from: Dawei on January 03, 2008, 06:37:55 PM
You sound just like a friend of mine used to sound. When we first started Smash together, he would play at Big blue, Onett, stages like that. He would run. With stages like that, it is a lot easier to screw up, and harder to recover. I would beat him every time until we played at Big Blue, and I would lose because I would end up falling right through the cars. I just had to get him to start playing the "skill" stages more and he got used to them. Not he hates Big blue and Onett.
Once again, Nayrman sums it up wonderfully.
I loved to jump onto the road and right back off again to surprise my freinds...
I have a secret skill where I jump in front of a line of cars and jump off the road at the end for a surprise attack on my opponent...gets em every time :P
Quote from: Dawei on January 03, 2008, 06:37:55 PM
You sound just like a friend of mine used to sound. When we first started Smash together, he would play at Big blue, Onett, stages like that. He would run. With stages like that, it is a lot easier to screw up, and harder to recover. I would beat him every time until we played at Big Blue, and I would lose because I would end up falling right through the cars. I just had to get him to start playing the "skill" stages more and he got used to them. Not he hates Big blue and Onett.
Once again, Nayrman sums it up wonderfully.
I actually like Big Blue every ONCE in a while (for fun purposes), just becaues it's impossible to do anything.
You do anything just for fun in this game or are you one of those serious people only? (nothing is wrong with the latter...just curious)
Quote from: Nayrman on January 03, 2008, 06:43:03 PM
Quote from: Dawei on January 03, 2008, 06:37:55 PM
You sound just like a friend of mine used to sound. When we first started Smash together, he would play at Big blue, Onett, stages like that. He would run. With stages like that, it is a lot easier to screw up, and harder to recover. I would beat him every time until we played at Big Blue, and I would lose because I would end up falling right through the cars. I just had to get him to start playing the "skill" stages more and he got used to them. Not he hates Big blue and Onett.
Once again, Nayrman sums it up wonderfully.
I actually like Big Blue every ONCE in a while (for fun purposes), just becaues it's impossible to do anything.
You do anything just for fun in this game or are you one of those serious people only? (nothing is wrong with the latter...just curious)
I wonder if sonic would run as fast as the road goes by? ::)
if the stage returns, I can find out! :)
Quote from: thunderhero4 on January 03, 2008, 06:47:40 PM
Quote from: Nayrman on January 03, 2008, 06:43:03 PM
Quote from: Dawei on January 03, 2008, 06:37:55 PM
You sound just like a friend of mine used to sound. When we first started Smash together, he would play at Big blue, Onett, stages like that. He would run. With stages like that, it is a lot easier to screw up, and harder to recover. I would beat him every time until we played at Big Blue, and I would lose because I would end up falling right through the cars. I just had to get him to start playing the "skill" stages more and he got used to them. Not he hates Big blue and Onett.
Once again, Nayrman sums it up wonderfully.
I actually like Big Blue every ONCE in a while (for fun purposes), just becaues it's impossible to do anything.
You do anything just for fun in this game or are you one of those serious people only? (nothing is wrong with the latter...just curious)
I wonder if sonic would run as fast as the road goes by? ::)
if the stage returns, I can find out! :)
now THAT would be interesting (probably not tho...)
Quote from: Nayrman on January 03, 2008, 06:49:30 PM
Quote from: thunderhero4 on January 03, 2008, 06:47:40 PM
Quote from: Nayrman on January 03, 2008, 06:43:03 PM
Quote from: Dawei on January 03, 2008, 06:37:55 PM
You sound just like a friend of mine used to sound. When we first started Smash together, he would play at Big blue, Onett, stages like that. He would run. With stages like that, it is a lot easier to screw up, and harder to recover. I would beat him every time until we played at Big Blue, and I would lose because I would end up falling right through the cars. I just had to get him to start playing the "skill" stages more and he got used to them. Not he hates Big blue and Onett.
Once again, Nayrman sums it up wonderfully.
I actually like Big Blue every ONCE in a while (for fun purposes), just becaues it's impossible to do anything.
You do anything just for fun in this game or are you one of those serious people only? (nothing is wrong with the latter...just curious)
I wonder if sonic would run as fast as the road goes by? ::)
if the stage returns, I can find out! :)
now THAT would be interesting (probably not tho...)
that would be AWESOME (it would give me a huge edge, I plan to main with him)
Quote from: Nayrman on January 03, 2008, 06:49:30 PM
Quote from: thunderhero4 on January 03, 2008, 06:47:40 PM
Quote from: Nayrman on January 03, 2008, 06:43:03 PM
Quote from: Dawei on January 03, 2008, 06:37:55 PM
You sound just like a friend of mine used to sound. When we first started Smash together, he would play at Big blue, Onett, stages like that. He would run. With stages like that, it is a lot easier to screw up, and harder to recover. I would beat him every time until we played at Big Blue, and I would lose because I would end up falling right through the cars. I just had to get him to start playing the "skill" stages more and he got used to them. Not he hates Big blue and Onett.
Once again, Nayrman sums it up wonderfully.
I actually like Big Blue every ONCE in a while (for fun purposes), just becaues it's impossible to do anything.
You do anything just for fun in this game or are you one of those serious people only? (nothing is wrong with the latter...just curious)
I wonder if sonic would run as fast as the road goes by? ::)
if the stage returns, I can find out! :)
now THAT would be interesting (probably not tho...)
I rather think no.
Because many fans complains about "More speed for Sonic please!" they then complains about "Is too fast, I always crash with anything!"
Quote from: wiiboychris on January 03, 2008, 06:53:40 PM
Quote from: Nayrman on January 03, 2008, 06:49:30 PM
Quote from: thunderhero4 on January 03, 2008, 06:47:40 PM
Quote from: Nayrman on January 03, 2008, 06:43:03 PM
Quote from: Dawei on January 03, 2008, 06:37:55 PM
You sound just like a friend of mine used to sound. When we first started Smash together, he would play at Big blue, Onett, stages like that. He would run. With stages like that, it is a lot easier to screw up, and harder to recover. I would beat him every time until we played at Big Blue, and I would lose because I would end up falling right through the cars. I just had to get him to start playing the "skill" stages more and he got used to them. Not he hates Big blue and Onett.
Once again, Nayrman sums it up wonderfully.
I actually like Big Blue every ONCE in a while (for fun purposes), just becaues it's impossible to do anything.
You do anything just for fun in this game or are you one of those serious people only? (nothing is wrong with the latter...just curious)
I wonder if sonic would run as fast as the road goes by? ::)
if the stage returns, I can find out! :)
now THAT would be interesting (probably not tho...)
I rather think no.
Because many fans complains about "More speed for Sonic please!" they then complains about "Is too fast, I always crash with anything!"
thats where practice comes in ::)
Quote from: thunderhero4 on January 03, 2008, 06:54:46 PM
Quote from: wiiboychris on January 03, 2008, 06:53:40 PM
Quote from: Nayrman on January 03, 2008, 06:49:30 PM
Quote from: thunderhero4 on January 03, 2008, 06:47:40 PM
Quote from: Nayrman on January 03, 2008, 06:43:03 PM
Quote from: Dawei on January 03, 2008, 06:37:55 PM
You sound just like a friend of mine used to sound. When we first started Smash together, he would play at Big blue, Onett, stages like that. He would run. With stages like that, it is a lot easier to screw up, and harder to recover. I would beat him every time until we played at Big Blue, and I would lose because I would end up falling right through the cars. I just had to get him to start playing the "skill" stages more and he got used to them. Not he hates Big blue and Onett.
Once again, Nayrman sums it up wonderfully.
I actually like Big Blue every ONCE in a while (for fun purposes), just becaues it's impossible to do anything.
You do anything just for fun in this game or are you one of those serious people only? (nothing is wrong with the latter...just curious)
I wonder if sonic would run as fast as the road goes by? ::)
if the stage returns, I can find out! :)
now THAT would be interesting (probably not tho...)
I rather think no.
Because many fans complains about "More speed for Sonic please!" they then complains about "Is too fast, I always crash with anything!"
thats where practice comes in ::)
That's where the free hospital ticket comes in ::)
But........the Bunny hood can make dreams come true.
Quote from: wiiboychris on January 03, 2008, 06:58:02 PM
Quote from: thunderhero4 on January 03, 2008, 06:54:46 PM
Quote from: wiiboychris on January 03, 2008, 06:53:40 PM
Quote from: Nayrman on January 03, 2008, 06:49:30 PM
Quote from: thunderhero4 on January 03, 2008, 06:47:40 PM
Quote from: Nayrman on January 03, 2008, 06:43:03 PM
Quote from: Dawei on January 03, 2008, 06:37:55 PM
You sound just like a friend of mine used to sound. When we first started Smash together, he would play at Big blue, Onett, stages like that. He would run. With stages like that, it is a lot easier to screw up, and harder to recover. I would beat him every time until we played at Big Blue, and I would lose because I would end up falling right through the cars. I just had to get him to start playing the "skill" stages more and he got used to them. Not he hates Big blue and Onett.
Once again, Nayrman sums it up wonderfully.
I actually like Big Blue every ONCE in a while (for fun purposes), just becaues it's impossible to do anything.
You do anything just for fun in this game or are you one of those serious people only? (nothing is wrong with the latter...just curious)
I wonder if sonic would run as fast as the road goes by? ::)
if the stage returns, I can find out! :)
now THAT would be interesting (probably not tho...)
I rather think no.
Because many fans complains about "More speed for Sonic please!" they then complains about "Is too fast, I always crash with anything!"
thats where practice comes in ::)
That's where the free hospital ticket comes in ::)
But........the Bunny hood can make dreams come true.
Sonci with bunny hood JUST might be able to run on it. That'd be kinda cool to see. But then again that'd make Sonic the instant winner on that stagae, sisnce he could just run on the track forever where no one could touch him.
Quote from: Nayrman on January 03, 2008, 06:43:03 PM
Quote from: Dawei on January 03, 2008, 06:37:55 PM
You sound just like a friend of mine used to sound. When we first started Smash together, he would play at Big blue, Onett, stages like that. He would run. With stages like that, it is a lot easier to screw up, and harder to recover. I would beat him every time until we played at Big Blue, and I would lose because I would end up falling right through the cars. I just had to get him to start playing the "skill" stages more and he got used to them. Not he hates Big blue and Onett.
Once again, Nayrman sums it up wonderfully.
I actually like Big Blue every ONCE in a while (for fun purposes), just becaues it's impossible to do anything.
You do anything just for fun in this game or are you one of those serious people only? (nothing is wrong with the latter...just curious)
I don't see how people think that if you play the game seriously, you can't have fun. Out of my 4 smash friends, 1 is kind of casual so when we play with him we have to do some slightly off stages, and occasionally with items. We even have some "How Sakurai originally intended it to be played" days where we just play with items on medium and standard stock. I saw my friend L-canceling once and I exclaimed "That is NOT what Sakurai intended".
It's just when someone wants to show off something new they've learned, or see if they are better than someone else, playing with items and the banned stages is hypocrisy.
Quote from: Dawei on January 03, 2008, 07:00:29 PM
Quote from: Nayrman on January 03, 2008, 06:43:03 PM
Quote from: Dawei on January 03, 2008, 06:37:55 PM
You sound just like a friend of mine used to sound. When we first started Smash together, he would play at Big blue, Onett, stages like that. He would run. With stages like that, it is a lot easier to screw up, and harder to recover. I would beat him every time until we played at Big Blue, and I would lose because I would end up falling right through the cars. I just had to get him to start playing the "skill" stages more and he got used to them. Not he hates Big blue and Onett.
Once again, Nayrman sums it up wonderfully.
I actually like Big Blue every ONCE in a while (for fun purposes), just becaues it's impossible to do anything.
You do anything just for fun in this game or are you one of those serious people only? (nothing is wrong with the latter...just curious)
I don't see how people think that if you play the game seriously, you can't have fun. Out of my 4 smash friends, 1 is kind of casual so when we play with him we have to do some slightly off stages, and occasionally with items. We even have some "How Sakurai originally intended it to be played" days where we just play with items on medium and standard stock. I saw my friend L-canceling once and I exclaimed "That is NOT what Sakurai intended".
It's just when someone wants to show off something new they've learned, or see if they are better than someone else, playing with items and the banned stages is hypocrisy.
Thats true. I love turning on all explosive items only and seeing how that works out. Items are actually the most fun thing when I'm messing around with it.
Too bad I knew a few too many people who take it too seriously...
Quote from: Nayrman on January 03, 2008, 07:02:15 PM
Quote from: Dawei on January 03, 2008, 07:00:29 PM
Quote from: Nayrman on January 03, 2008, 06:43:03 PM
Quote from: Dawei on January 03, 2008, 06:37:55 PM
You sound just like a friend of mine used to sound. When we first started Smash together, he would play at Big blue, Onett, stages like that. He would run. With stages like that, it is a lot easier to screw up, and harder to recover. I would beat him every time until we played at Big Blue, and I would lose because I would end up falling right through the cars. I just had to get him to start playing the "skill" stages more and he got used to them. Not he hates Big blue and Onett.
Once again, Nayrman sums it up wonderfully.
I actually like Big Blue every ONCE in a while (for fun purposes), just becaues it's impossible to do anything.
You do anything just for fun in this game or are you one of those serious people only? (nothing is wrong with the latter...just curious)
I don't see how people think that if you play the game seriously, you can't have fun. Out of my 4 smash friends, 1 is kind of casual so when we play with him we have to do some slightly off stages, and occasionally with items. We even have some "How Sakurai originally intended it to be played" days where we just play with items on medium and standard stock. I saw my friend L-canceling once and I exclaimed "That is NOT what Sakurai intended".
It's just when someone wants to show off something new they've learned, or see if they are better than someone else, playing with items and the banned stages is hypocrisy.
Thats true. I love turning on all explosive items only and seeing how that works out. Items are actually the most fun thing when I'm messing around with it.
Too bad I knew a few too many people who take it too seriously...
Me and my friends will sometimes have damage ratio 2.0 lighting melee with bomb ombs on very high at big blue or pokeballs very high on Pokemon stadium when we are bored as intercourse . I'd just rather play a tournament style match than a "casual" style one.
Quote from: Dawei on January 03, 2008, 07:06:07 PM
Quote from: Nayrman on January 03, 2008, 07:02:15 PM
Quote from: Dawei on January 03, 2008, 07:00:29 PM
Quote from: Nayrman on January 03, 2008, 06:43:03 PM
Quote from: Dawei on January 03, 2008, 06:37:55 PM
You sound just like a friend of mine used to sound. When we first started Smash together, he would play at Big blue, Onett, stages like that. He would run. With stages like that, it is a lot easier to screw up, and harder to recover. I would beat him every time until we played at Big Blue, and I would lose because I would end up falling right through the cars. I just had to get him to start playing the "skill" stages more and he got used to them. Not he hates Big blue and Onett.
Once again, Nayrman sums it up wonderfully.
I actually like Big Blue every ONCE in a while (for fun purposes), just becaues it's impossible to do anything.
You do anything just for fun in this game or are you one of those serious people only? (nothing is wrong with the latter...just curious)
I don't see how people think that if you play the game seriously, you can't have fun. Out of my 4 smash friends, 1 is kind of casual so when we play with him we have to do some slightly off stages, and occasionally with items. We even have some "How Sakurai originally intended it to be played" days where we just play with items on medium and standard stock. I saw my friend L-canceling once and I exclaimed "That is NOT what Sakurai intended".
It's just when someone wants to show off something new they've learned, or see if they are better than someone else, playing with items and the banned stages is hypocrisy.
Thats true. I love turning on all explosive items only and seeing how that works out. Items are actually the most fun thing when I'm messing around with it.
Too bad I knew a few too many people who take it too seriously...
Me and my friends will sometimes have damage ratio 2.0 lighting melee with bomb ombs on very high at big blue or pokeballs very high on Pokemon stadium when we are bored as f***. I'd just rather play a tournament style match than a "casual" style one.
me too. once youve played evrey inch of the game you learn to love tournaments.
thats my favorite thing to play.
we get a bunch of people together and we each get to pick two characters to enter a 64 person tourney.
Quote from: Apollo on January 04, 2008, 11:04:53 AM
Quote from: Dawei on January 03, 2008, 07:06:07 PM
Quote from: Nayrman on January 03, 2008, 07:02:15 PM
Quote from: Dawei on January 03, 2008, 07:00:29 PM
Quote from: Nayrman on January 03, 2008, 06:43:03 PM
Quote from: Dawei on January 03, 2008, 06:37:55 PM
You sound just like a friend of mine used to sound. When we first started Smash together, he would play at Big blue, Onett, stages like that. He would run. With stages like that, it is a lot easier to screw up, and harder to recover. I would beat him every time until we played at Big Blue, and I would lose because I would end up falling right through the cars. I just had to get him to start playing the "skill" stages more and he got used to them. Not he hates Big blue and Onett.
Once again, Nayrman sums it up wonderfully.
I actually like Big Blue every ONCE in a while (for fun purposes), just becaues it's impossible to do anything.
You do anything just for fun in this game or are you one of those serious people only? (nothing is wrong with the latter...just curious)
I don't see how people think that if you play the game seriously, you can't have fun. Out of my 4 smash friends, 1 is kind of casual so when we play with him we have to do some slightly off stages, and occasionally with items. We even have some "How Sakurai originally intended it to be played" days where we just play with items on medium and standard stock. I saw my friend L-canceling once and I exclaimed "That is NOT what Sakurai intended".
It's just when someone wants to show off something new they've learned, or see if they are better than someone else, playing with items and the banned stages is hypocrisy.
Thats true. I love turning on all explosive items only and seeing how that works out. Items are actually the most fun thing when I'm messing around with it.
Too bad I knew a few too many people who take it too seriously...
Me and my friends will sometimes have damage ratio 2.0 lighting melee with bomb ombs on very high at big blue or pokeballs very high on Pokemon stadium when we are bored as f***. I'd just rather play a tournament style match than a "casual" style one.
me too. once youve played evrey inch of the game you learn to love tournaments.
thats my favorite thing to play.
we get a bunch of people together and we each get to pick two characters to enter a 64 person tourney.
That isn't really a tourney. No real tournament uses that for tourneys. I said Tournament style, not tournament 64 person asdfhjadv.
4 stock, 8 minutes, tournament legal stages (I listed them on this page and the previous one).
Quote from: Dawei on January 04, 2008, 11:11:26 AM
Quote from: Apollo on January 04, 2008, 11:04:53 AM
Quote from: Dawei on January 03, 2008, 07:06:07 PM
Quote from: Nayrman on January 03, 2008, 07:02:15 PM
Quote from: Dawei on January 03, 2008, 07:00:29 PM
Quote from: Nayrman on January 03, 2008, 06:43:03 PM
Quote from: Dawei on January 03, 2008, 06:37:55 PM
You sound just like a friend of mine used to sound. When we first started Smash together, he would play at Big blue, Onett, stages like that. He would run. With stages like that, it is a lot easier to screw up, and harder to recover. I would beat him every time until we played at Big Blue, and I would lose because I would end up falling right through the cars. I just had to get him to start playing the "skill" stages more and he got used to them. Not he hates Big blue and Onett.
Once again, Nayrman sums it up wonderfully.
I actually like Big Blue every ONCE in a while (for fun purposes), just becaues it's impossible to do anything.
You do anything just for fun in this game or are you one of those serious people only? (nothing is wrong with the latter...just curious)
I don't see how people think that if you play the game seriously, you can't have fun. Out of my 4 smash friends, 1 is kind of casual so when we play with him we have to do some slightly off stages, and occasionally with items. We even have some "How Sakurai originally intended it to be played" days where we just play with items on medium and standard stock. I saw my friend L-canceling once and I exclaimed "That is NOT what Sakurai intended".
It's just when someone wants to show off something new they've learned, or see if they are better than someone else, playing with items and the banned stages is hypocrisy.
Thats true. I love turning on all explosive items only and seeing how that works out. Items are actually the most fun thing when I'm messing around with it.
Too bad I knew a few too many people who take it too seriously...
Me and my friends will sometimes have damage ratio 2.0 lighting melee with bomb ombs on very high at big blue or pokeballs very high on Pokemon stadium when we are bored as f***. I'd just rather play a tournament style match than a "casual" style one.
me too. once youve played evrey inch of the game you learn to love tournaments.
thats my favorite thing to play.
we get a bunch of people together and we each get to pick two characters to enter a 64 person tourney.
That isn't really a tourney. No real tournament uses that for tourneys. I said Tournament style, not tournament 64 person asdfhjadv.
4 stock, 8 minutes, tournament legal stages (I listed them on this page and the previous one).
well ive never really gone to a "real" tourney, but my friends and i play that all they time.
You don't have to go to a real tourney to know and use tourney rules. Before I even thought about going to a tourney I was using them.
Quote from: Dawei on January 04, 2008, 11:18:12 AM
You don't have to go to a real tourney to know and use tourney rules. Before I even thought about going to a tourney I was using them.
yeah ill learn em when brawl comes out.
i cant wait.
i wish they would start a melee scoreboard on ssb forums.
Actually, Dawei said not to face level 9s for practice. I beg to differ. It may not be good training for anybody but I trained for hours against level 9s when I was rookie (Ah good times...) and I was able to hold my own against my friend whose been playing for 6 years and he's really good. He used Kirby and I used Fox. I still lost but put a good fight. Now, we are equally matched or so we think. I practice every day. When I was starting out I used Fox and fought every level in order from 1 to 9 no items on Hyrule or Corneria. I noticed that Dawei warned about not playing with the computers much and it would effect your gameplay with other players, but if you have a sibling or a friend that comes over often you should get good real fast. All the computers should be easy to kill.
wait.... are you saying that you lost to lv 5's? HMM... are you emotionally attached to pikachu? You should try another character, because pikachu is low tier, and not i am not one of those people who says tier lists are the order of how good they are, when i say tier i am refering to the skill it takes to become good with a character. If a person is low tier it will take much more skill to become decent with them, where as someone playing with a high tier character can become decent with him without as much skill. If i were you i would pick someone up like Falcon, Samus, luigi, there are alot of other characters, but if you want to be good with pikachu i sugest reading this...
http://smashboards.com/showthread.php?t=39789
this is a guide how to play pikachu well. I also suggest watching videos on youtube. Another thing i suggest if you are not already doing it, is one on one matches, they are much more fun, are a little easier then huge battles, and they force you to think on your feet. The entire ideo of the game is prediction and punishment. You must predict your opponent, and then punish them for what they did. I use samus, if i am facing fox, and he is using his up b to recover, i can predict where he is going to go, and spike him for a ko. Also use pikachu's down smash when someone is next to you, use shielding and rollling and dodgeing alot, that will help good luck!
Quote from: tollhouse2006 on January 04, 2008, 01:58:49 PM
Actually, Dawei said not to face level 9s for practice. I beg to differ. It may not be good training for anybody but I trained for hours against level 9s when I was rookie (Ah good times...) and I was able to hold my own against my friend whose been playing for 6 years and he's really good. He used Kirby and I used Fox. I still lost but put a good fight. Now, we are equally matched or so we think. I practice every day. When I was starting out I used Fox and fought every level in order from 1 to 9 no items on Hyrule or Corneria. I noticed that Dawei warned about not playing with the computers much and it would effect your gameplay with other players, but if you have a sibling or a friend that comes over often you should get good real fast. All the computers should be easy to kill.
well fighting computer characters is better then nothing, but lets just say it should be easy, i mean yesterday i fougth a lv 9 fox 5 stock no items, and koed him all 5 times with out dieing. It should be easy, i sugest readin gthe post i posted before this it will help sooo much!
Quote from: tollhouse2006 on January 04, 2008, 01:58:49 PM
Actually, Dawei said not to face level 9s for practice. I beg to differ. It may not be good training for anybody but I trained for hours against level 9s when I was rookie (Ah good times...) and I was able to hold my own against my friend whose been playing for 6 years and he's really good. He used Kirby and I used Fox. I still lost but put a good fight. Now, we are equally matched or so we think. I practice every day. When I was starting out I used Fox and fought every level in order from 1 to 9 no items on Hyrule or Corneria. I noticed that Dawei warned about not playing with the computers much and it would effect your gameplay with other players, but if you have a sibling or a friend that comes over often you should get good real fast. All the computers should be easy to kill.
Why not practice on level 9s? Because they have in-human reflexes. Choose fox, go to a flat stage (Preferably FD) and just sit there and blaster. See how much damage you take from power shielding (when they uses right when the blaster is about to hit them and it bounces it back). Now, go against a human and do the same thing. Their reflexes will be no where near the comps. There are so many things like that. Level 8s are just level 9s with more realistic reflexes.
I have a friend who plays Melee about as often as I do. We decided that on friday, we would have some matches together to see who was better. He played with his brother that week, and I played with a level 8 comp. Want to take a guess who won?
I tried many things that worked on comps, but they were futile against him. He knew what would work, and I didn't. He had mindgames, mine were failing because of the "people I spar with". We then went on play matches together, and I got better and was able to fair well enough/win. You should play with computers as little as you can, and when you do, use 1s because you shouldn't take them seriously, and 5s because while they still have random DI, they will put up a bit more of a fight than 1s. Comps are only good when you are first starting out (like you said you were) but once you get good again, you shouldn't.
Also, Hyrule temple? blah;
I'm gonna have to stay with Dawei on this one...
this thread is getting to spammy...
*makes another one with updates*