Ponyo
(http://disney.go.com/disneypictures/ponyo/?cmp=dmov_dpic_pon_psg_dol_miyazaki)
Disney just ruined a Miyazaki movie. From the one I've seen, the guy seems like a genius. They did good with the Spirited Away dubbing, but this is unspeakable *points to cast numbers 2 and 5*
it sounded fine
I thought you guys would love this, Disney going anime and poop.
If you don't speak Japanese fluently, you shouldn't be mad over voice acting.
Different languages, different inflection... it doesn't even make sense to compare voice acing between the 2.
Whatever, I'm not seeing it anyway.
Quote from: HTA on August 11, 2009, 09:40:33 AM
I thought you guys would love this, Disney going anime and poop.
I don't quite understand what you are saying.
I don't think it sounds bad. It's much better than all the other dubbed shows. Are you just upset they hired a Jonas and a Cyrus as voice actors?
I saw an advanced screening of it just yesterday.
While it was no Spirited Away, it was a good kids film.
My ultimate point is this though: THIS IS THE TYPE OF MOVIE DISNEY THEMSELVES SHOULD BE MAKING. But whatever, it was decently good, and Miyazaki's "meh" is still a million times better than anything Disney's animation studios has put out since the Lion King...
**addendum: BTW, the dubbing was just fine. It wasn't like "zomg it sounds better in english!" dub, but it was competent. Ironically I think Tina Fey does the best job. Matt Damon barely has any lines. Liam Neeson is always great though. Whomever played Ponyo and Sosuke (Sasuke? They use both. Standard American dubbing not being sure) both did okay.
Quote from: Nayrman on August 11, 2009, 10:34:40 AM
Whomever played Ponyo and Sosuke (Sasuke? They use both. Standard American dubbing not being sure) both did okay.
Ponyo was played by Noah Cyrus
Sosuke was played by Frankie Jonas
look at the last names...
Yup you guessed it!
Miley's little sister and the Bonus Jonas!
I liked it :D
they were very average. You could tell they were dubbing something from another completely unrelated language. Tina Fey and Liam Neeson obviously had experience doing such things though.
It was pretty good. Did you see one of the advance screenings?
Quote from: Nayrman on August 11, 2009, 01:43:56 PM
they were very average. You could tell they were dubbing something from another completely unrelated language. Tina Fey and Liam Neeson obviously had experience doing such things though.
It was pretty good. Did you see one of the advance screenings?
Yea. My best friend, who's going to college in NYC, got three tickets to see it there.
We went Sunday and he took me and his girlfriend, it was good.
I'm gonna go watch it again when it comes to theaters here with the rest of my friends, who are big fans of Miyazaki =]
Quote from: Water. on August 11, 2009, 01:58:08 PM
Yea. My best friend, who's going to college in NYC, got three tickets to see it there.
We went Sunday and he took me and his girlfriend, it was good.
I'm gonna go watch it again when it comes to theaters here with the rest of my friends, who are big fans of Miyazaki =]
I might go see it again too, depending on how busy I am.
A couple pals at my anime club at college got a whole bunch of passes, so I went with them.
It was funny though, the theater was half otaku's who just like Miyazaki's work (mostly college to adult people) and the rest were little kids and their middle aged parents looking at us like "wtf are these people doing here?".
I thought it was alright actually.
Quote from: Fish on August 11, 2009, 10:02:42 AM
I don't quite understand what you are saying.
I don't think it sounds bad. It's much better than all the other dubbed shows. Are you just upset they hired a Jonas and a Cyrus as voice actors?
Lotos says the movie was ruined.
I thought this would be a "lol sweet anime" moment because I think this is the first time they've done something like this.
Disney that is.
HTA, Disney does an okay job. They found actors who can at least put a personality on the character, but trust me it's no where near "good dub" territory.
Disney can get it to work because it's the same kind of movies Disney made 20 years ago and SHOULD still be making know instead of that high school that isn't high school thing.
K.
I've always wondered this, and its sort of off topic a little, but what is a good dub?
I don't understand the comparison between Japanese and English as have a "better or worse" quality.
The English actors should not sound like the Japanese... as a race we sound different.
I don't see a problem.
Quote from: HTA on August 12, 2009, 10:27:49 AM
K.
I've always wondered this, and its sort of off topic a little, but what is a good dub?
I don't understand the comparison between Japanese and English as have a "better or worse" quality.
The English actors should not sound like the Japanese... as a race we sound different.
a good dub is something that while translating the Japanese dialogue, makes it their own english version instead of just translating and saying the lines with mild variation, which is the standard "dub". Cowboy Bebop is essentially the "perfect" dub, as it completely encompasses the characters and what's going on, while adding it's own personality because it's english (for example Spike is more gritty in english while more snarky in Japanese).
Often times though the Japanese language is better purely because, frankly, they are better at voice acting that most American/Canadian/etc. (western in general). I've read that during most theater performances (which is where most actors get their start over there), actors/actresses are trained in voice, for acting purposes, so they're just trained to work with their voices more so than most American actors. Most Disney movies show this, as a lot of their more modern works are just regular actors "acting" in front of a mic instead of in front of a camera. And when it's done like that, it's usually obvious.
First of all, Disney has, for the most part, dubbed all of the Miyazaki films that have come to America. Spirited Away, Castle in the Sky, Ponyo, etc. From what I've heard, people who saw an advance screening of Ponyo said that they totally couldn't tell that Cyrus and Jonas had any part in it, as well as some of the other major actors. They also said that the dub was fine. So, even though the two siblings of some of Disney's most horrifying monsters are in it, I don't think I'll be stopped from watching it.
No, you can't even tell it's them.
You CAN tell who Liam Neeson is, just because it's Liam Neeson. His voice is almost as recognizable as Morgan Freeman's.
But the dub was just fine. It wasn't Cowboy Bebop (or even Spirited Away), but it was solid.
Meh.
I'm not in to anime anymore, so I don't care....
I really wish disney goes back to doing normal animation movies.
(And actually make them good).
How do you know Japanese voice acting is good unless you speak and understand Japanese? D:
Quote from: Semi-Scrub on August 13, 2009, 11:32:40 AM
How do you know Japanese voice acting is good unless you speak and understand Japanese? D:
They tend to do better during dramatic scenes at conveying emotions.
For a REALLY long time dubbing just meant "act in front of a mic for one go through and call it a day". That's starting to change somewhat though.
Quote from: Triforceman22 on August 12, 2009, 11:33:03 PM
I really wish disney goes back to doing normal animation movies.
(http://www.daemonsmovies.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/05/princess-and-the-frog-poster-320x500.jpg)
Oh hello Little Mermaid copy! I didn't notice you there what with everything you're doing to copy that particular movie to try and revive your animation studio from doing absolutely jack poop for the past decade.
I absolutely despise English dubs and I even have to admit that this one was actually good.
Quote from: Nayrman on August 13, 2009, 07:33:18 PM
Oh hello Little Mermaid copy! I didn't notice you there what with everything you're doing to copy that particular movie to try and revive your animation studio from doing absolutely jack poop for the past decade.
That doesn't look a thing like the Little Mermaid.
Quote from: Hoss Delgado on August 16, 2009, 11:44:47 AM
That doesn't look a thing like the Little Mermaid.
Actually, it sounds like a Shrek clone.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Princess_and_the_Frog
Quote from: Hoss Delgado on August 16, 2009, 11:44:47 AM
That doesn't look a thing like the Little Mermaid.
Okay, it's a combination of all the princess movies.
I swear Walt is turning in his grave over how they murdered his company.
eh, I think it looks just fine. Plus its in New Orleans
What the crap? I've been waiting like 3 weeks to take my girlfriend to this movie and all you guys got an advanced screening?
It's officially out yet and none of my theaters even have it yet. What the intercourse .
Quote from: Zero on August 17, 2009, 12:39:51 PM
What the crap? I've been waiting like 3 weeks to take my girlfriend to this movie and all you guys got an advanced screening?
It's officially out yet and none of my theaters even have it yet. What the f***.
well, I guess that just sucks for you. I only got an advanced screening because of the club I go to.
Quote from: Nayrman on August 17, 2009, 02:01:54 PM
well, I guess that just sucks for you. I only got an advanced screening because of the club I go to.
fffffffffffffffffff
Quote from: Zero on August 17, 2009, 02:43:32 PM
fffffffffffffffffff
If you do find it though, definitely take your gf. I guarantee she'll love it.
Hey, Miyazaki has yet to let me down. I'll have to go see it this weekend, I didn't see it in theaters last weekend.
Quote from: Nayrman on August 17, 2009, 03:21:50 PM
If you do find it though, definitely take your gf. I guarantee she'll love it.
The AMC theatres and Marquee Cinemas around here aren't playing it. If they aren't playing it now they won't play it later so I'm probably out of luck.
Hopefully my luck changes otherwise I'll have to wait for the DVD release.
Quote from: Zero on August 17, 2009, 03:51:19 PM
The AMC theatres and Marquee Cinemas around here aren't playing it. If they aren't playing it now they won't play it later so I'm probably out of luck.
Hopefully my luck changes otherwise I'll have to wait for the DVD release.
and yet crap like GI Joe gets top billing. What a sad country we live in.
Quote from: Nayrman on August 17, 2009, 04:00:09 PM
and yet crap like GI Joe gets top billing. What a sad country we live in.
Was it that bad? I heard it was a typical action movie, with over-the-top explosions and what not.
Quote from: Zero on August 17, 2009, 04:46:27 PM
Was it that bad? I heard it was a typical action movie, with over-the-top explosions and what not.
typical action movies are frankly crap. No thought is put into it and it's nothing but loud noises and flashy frames.
Not to mention it's licensed making it creatively bankrupt.
Eh my friend said he liked it. He doesn't watch many movies though.
Almost forgot about this. I saw Ponyo this Saturday, and here is my verdict:
As far as Miyazaki films go, it was okay.
As far as animated movies nowadays go, this movie was a gem.
The art was beautiful, the characters were strong, the American voice acting was actually pretty good (Liam Neeson as Fujimoto = Perfect casting), and overall, it was very good. A lot of people I've seen say its most weak point is the plot, which, although it isn't that strong, was still adequate. The story had that classic Miyazaki feel to it, and it was what it was supposed to be; a Japanese fairy tale.
I encourage people here to go see it, if they haven't already.
Quote from: Zero on August 17, 2009, 04:46:27 PM
Was it that bad? I heard it was a typical action movie, with over-the-top explosions and what not.
I thought it was worse than your typical action movie...
Quote from: Zero on August 17, 2009, 04:46:27 PM
Was it that bad? I heard it was a typical action movie, with over-the-top explosions and what not.
The problem is that it extremifies everything that genre has wrong with it.
I expected more Cyrus/Jonas rage in this thread. I'm glad you guys are mature enough to look past that. I can't say that much about GameFAQs.
It seems okay to me. I'd love Disney to start making more animated works, even if Miyazaki works with them.