(http://i457.photobucket.com/albums/qq292/BalladOfGales/halolz-dot-com-pokemon-flareon-usefulmoveset.jpg)
Please tell me I'm not the only one who has never heard of this.
Flareon will never be useful, regardless.
GameFreak hates the poor thing.
I think they have something against Fire in general.
-Screw over Fire Eeveelution
-Screw over Johto Fire Starter (besides Eruption, I guess)
-STEALTH ROCK
-Only two fires in Sinnoh Dex, one of which sucks
-Three /Fighting starters in a row
Wait, does that mean I could potentially have a Vaporeon with Fire Blitz? What? @_@
Quote from: Nayrman on September 21, 2011, 06:37:21 PM
Wait, does that mean I could potentially have a Vaporeon with Fire Blitz? What? @_@
I could have a Flareon with Explosion or Hydro Pump. So what? Weird how out of all the possible options, they decided that Flare Blitz was the only good one.
Quote from: Kayo on September 21, 2011, 06:41:17 PM
Weird how out of all the possible options, they decided that Flare Blitz was the only good one.
You don't understand why Flareon is "meh", then. The reason that usually gets the most emphasis as to why its "meh" is that it has a huge attack stat but can't learn Flare Blitz.
A Flareon with Flare Blitz would hit so intercourse ing hard, and easily bump it up at least one tier.
Quote from: Zero on September 21, 2011, 07:30:48 PM
You don't understand why Flareon is "meh", then. The reason that usually gets the most emphasis as to why its "meh" is that it has a huge attack stat but can't learn Flare Blitz.
A Flareon with Flare Blitz would hit so intercourse ing hard, and easily bump it up at least one tier.
i'm not saying it wouldn't, but if you're gonna do something that's technically illegal, why not abuse it even more than that?
tl;dr i'm overthinking intentionally to be a vagina cleaning device. i know Flare Blitz (or lack thereof) is what's killing it.
I hacked my Flareon to have it I don't give two poops.
^oh right, and there's also Pokesav if you wanted to do something like that
What do you think I used to give it Flare Blitz? lol
Quote from: Zero on September 21, 2011, 08:46:31 PM
What do you think I used to give it Flare Blitz? lol
I wasn't exactly replying to you; your post just reminded me of that lol
Quote from: Kayo on September 21, 2011, 08:57:39 PM
I wasn't exactly replying to you; your post just reminded me of that lol
I see
Speaking of Pokesav, has the B/W been updated for the NA version yet? I checked like a week ago but the version I found still had japanese names.
Quote from: Zero on September 21, 2011, 08:59:55 PM
I see
Speaking of Pokesav, has the B/W been updated for the NA version yet? I checked like a week ago but the version I found still had japanese names.
i.. have a completely english version of pokesav for BW. what are you talking about
Ah, the sites I went on were projectpokemon and the like. Guess they had poopty versions or something, because I just found http://gbatemp.net/index.php?showtopic=256531 (http://gbatemp.net/index.php?showtopic=256531). We're good.
Though Pokesav doesn't do me much good unless I can configure legitimate stats. Without a wild nature/IV mod code its going to be a pain in the ass unless altered natures in turn alter stats.
intercourse
Quote from: Zero on September 21, 2011, 09:05:41 PM
Ah, the sites I went on were projectpokemon and the like. Guess they had poopty versions or something, because I just found http://gbatemp.net/index.php?showtopic=256531 (http://gbatemp.net/index.php?showtopic=256531). We're good.
Though Pokesav doesn't do me much good unless I can configure legitimate stats. Without a wild nature/IV mod code its going to be a pain in the ass unless altered natures in turn alter stats.
intercourse
i get legit stats just fine, in my version I just insert the IVs and EVs. i don't have to guess on stats or anything, it works perfectly fine.
Quote from: Kayo on September 21, 2011, 09:07:41 PM
i get legit stats just fine, in my version I just insert the IVs and EVs. i don't have to guess on stats or anything, it works perfectly fine.
wait so the game inserts stats for you? HOT DAMN i've been doing it wrong
Quote from: Zero on September 21, 2011, 09:10:31 PM
wait so the game inserts stats for you? HOT DAMN i've been doing it wrong
You've been entering "359, 284" etc. manually?
You mean you don't have this?
(http://gyazo.com/146aceaf4743f9466a1f2a27ec53d783.png)
Quote from: Kayo on September 21, 2011, 09:14:18 PM
You've been entering "359, 284" etc. manually?
You mean you don't have this?
(http://gyazo.com/146aceaf4743f9466a1f2a27ec53d783.png)
No I do. I'll describe what I used to do.
-Use wild pokemon mod code in conjuction with wild nature mod code and iv mod code depending on what ivs i wanted
-Catch said pokemon
-look at stats
-copy stats into pokesav
-put EVs/IVs
-Create
-Party because I don't have to grind EVs for 72 hours
I haven't been able to do this for B/W because, well, can't find any wild nature mod or any wild iv mod codes.
Quote from: Zero on September 21, 2011, 09:17:16 PM
No I do. I'll describe what I used to do.
-Use wild pokemon mod code in conjuction with wild nature mod code and iv mod code depending one what ivs i wanted
-Catch said pokemon
-look at stats
-copy stats into pokesav
-put EVs/IVs
-Create
-Party because I don't have to grind EVs for 72 hours
Nah just use the PID generator. Just select nature from the drop-down and fill in some IVs and EVs. As far as I know that doesn't intercourse up anything as long as you do it correctly. In fact, I've used a completely different Pokemon as the template. All you really need from the game is your ID and SID.
Though I have run into problems with Pokemon that have 2 different abilities.
Found the PID Generator but uh, what the intercourse does this do? Give me stats?
Quote from: Zero on September 21, 2011, 09:22:04 PM
Found the PID Generator but uh, what the intercourse does this do? Give me stats?
The thing that says IV/PID? As far as I know that isn't necessary. It might be to fix the two-abilities thing (all of a given pokemon created on pokesav will always have the same ability if they evolve, e.g. I tried making a Golett with Iron Fist and it always defaulted to Klutx on evolution) but for everything else, I use the "generate" button above it.
Oh its just a random nature/gender/ability generator or whatever.
I'm talking about the Stat Editor in the top left corner. So I don't have to mess with those stats at all except for the level or what?
Quote from: Zero on September 21, 2011, 09:42:02 PM
Oh its just a random nature/gender/ability generator or whatever.
I'm talking about the Stat Editor in the top left corner. So I don't have to mess with those stats at all except for the level or what?
That's grayed out for me, so I dunno.
greyed out? wut
I think I just figured this out. Thanks for the help
Yeah I can't click the "stat edit" thing, at least on the pokemon I just loaded.
But uh, no problem I guess
Actually I'm having difficulty with the hex values. Is there a list for B/W hex value? I can't find anything.
Scratch that I just found this
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1zbjuL-4c68&feature=related
It intercourse ing works.
The only reason why Flareon sucks so bad is because of its shallow movepool.
Fire Fang is its only reliable physical based STAB move, and with such a low base power coupled with a base 130 Attack, it barely does anything. (Even to most Steels)
Arcanine was almost in the exact same situation as Flareon. However, not only did it get Flare Blitz this Gen, but it also got Close Combat. Whereas Flareon is stuck with using Fire Fang and Super Power. Which is lame.
Flareon is also bad in Speed and Endurance. It has a nice base 110 Special Defense, but that's completely derailed by its terrible HP stat. Like Durant, it can't take a hit unless it resists the attack.
Even a boost from Guts wouldn't make him any better.
But lets face it. GameFreak has been trolling pokemon since 1st Gen.
(http://wildcritters.ws/data/e26bfab3698ec8d52e4a25a74a5ae340.jpg?1289496217)
(http://wildcritters.ws/data/fda72f38e494a3ecd72e32df316a7b21.jpg?1289496125)
Quote from: FruitFlow on September 24, 2011, 11:34:29 PM
The only reason why Flareon sucks so bad is because of its shallow movepool.
Fire Fang is its only reliable physical based STAB move, and with such a low base power coupled with a base 130 Attack, it barely does anything. (Even to most Steels)
Arcanine was almost in the exact same situation as Flareon. However, not only did it get Flare Blitz this Gen, but it also got Close Combat. Whereas Flareon is stuck with using Fire Fang and Super Power. Which is lame.
Flareon is also bad in Speed and Endurance. It has a nice base 110 Special Defense, but that's completely undermined by its terrible HP stat. Like Durant, it can't take a hit unless it resists the attack.
Even a boost from Guts wouldn't make him any better.
But lets face it. GameFreak has been trolling pokemon since 1st Gen.
(http://wildcritters.ws/data/e26bfab3698ec8d52e4a25a74a5ae340.jpg?1289496217)
(http://wildcritters.ws/data/fda72f38e494a3ecd72e32df316a7b21.jpg?1289496125)
I think Arcanine's had Flare Blitz since D/P. But yeah, GameFreak hates fire-types so much.
Quote from: Kayo on September 24, 2011, 11:36:16 PM
I think Arcanine's had Flare Blitz since D/P. But yeah, GameFreak hates fire-types so much.
Ah, yes.
You're right. I forgot he learned it as an egg move.
My bad.
Quote from: FruitFlow on September 24, 2011, 11:41:40 PM
Ah, yes.
You're right. I forgot he learned it as an egg move.
My bad.
We haven't had any really good fire types for like 8 years
But then Chandelure came along. All's well now.
Quote from: Kayo on September 24, 2011, 11:43:24 PM
We haven't had any really good fire types for like 8 years
But then Chandelure came along. All's well now.
Blaziken, Heatran, Infernape, Volcarona, Ninetales.
Charizard is a intercourse ing monster in UU right now, and I've been seeing him on some OU Sun teams lately. He's quite effective when used right. Dat Solar Power ability is intercourse ing scary.
There are probably more, and if Stealth Rock wasn't so standard we'd see more Fire types being used.
Quote from: Zero on September 25, 2011, 11:35:59 AM
Blaziken, Heatran, Infernape, Volcarona, Ninetales.
Charizard is a intercourse ing monster in UU right now, and I've been seeing him on some OU Sun teams lately. He's quite effective when used right. Dat Solar Power ability is intercourse ing scary.
There are probably more, and if Stealth Rock wasn't so standard we'd see more Fire types being used.
Blaziken was okay, and now Speed Boost made it Uber so I'm not even counting it. Poor thing.
Heatran? Ugh. Yeah, it's good competitively, but since it's the ONLY non-starter Fire type of the 4th gen I see it differently. And it's a legendary, which we have too many per gen now. It doesn't live up to the legendary hype for me.
Infernape? Another Fire/Fighting starter? Lazy old GameFreak.
Volcarona's alright, I'll give it that. I really dig the name.
Ninetales is 1st gen, more than 8 years ago.
5th gen has Chandelure and Volcarona. Not much, but better than the past few gens. Yeah I know there's more, but those are the only two I like. Victini's okay.
lol
Ninetales has Drought now. OMG HEATRAN DOESN'T LIVE UP TO ITS LEGENDARY STATUS. Who gives a intercourse ?
You're technically wrong btw. Gen IV also had Rotom's heat form.
Quote from: Zero on September 26, 2011, 08:19:49 AM
You're technically wrong btw. Gen IV also had Rotom's heat form.
Unfortunately, that was pre-Fire-Type-Platinum era. Besides, Gen V allowed Rotom to change its Typing.
well then
Quote from: Zero on September 26, 2011, 08:19:49 AM
lol
Ninetales has Drought now. OMG HEATRAN DOESN'T LIVE UP TO ITS LEGENDARY STATUS. Who gives a intercourse ?
You're technically wrong btw. Gen IV also had Rotom's heat form.
Okay maybe I'm confused considering I think you're on a different page than me. Looking at fire types as a whole, the best ones were at the beginning and end of the national Pokedex. For me, Heatran isn't doing it as the ONLY fire-type we have. I didn't say it was a major offense that it didn't live up to legendary status. It doesn't, at all, in my view. I mean that's not the ONLY thing that decides it. I mean, I think it's a decent Pokemon (I like the typing, for one) but... well
tl;dr it's a good Pokemon, but not for a legendary. Because of the massive amount of legendaries, if I could pick ONE from Gen IV to lose its legendary status, it would be Heatran. Yeah I know that's a silly point. But yeah.
I'm talking competitively. Which is really all that matters.
Heatran easily lives up to its "legendary" status. It was used on just about every OU team towards the end of D/P and appeared on plenty of uber teams. It's Base 130 SpAtk, ability, defenses, typing, and movepool make it one monster of a pokemon.
I agree that its intercourse ing stupid that GF decided not to add many fire types during Gen IV, but saying its less of a legendary than say, Cresselia, is laughable.
Quote from: Zero on September 26, 2011, 12:39:28 PM
I'm talking competitively. Which is really all that matters.
Heatran easily lives up to its "legendary" status. It was used on just about every OU team towards the end of D/P and appeared on plenty of uber teams. It's Base 130 SpAtk, ability, defenses, typing, and movepool make it one monster of a pokemon.
I agree that its intercourse ing stupid that GF decided not to add many fire types during Gen IV, but saying its less of a legendary than say, Cresselia, is laughable.
Oh, COMPETITIVELY. Yeah, that's different. It's stats are huge. However, it just seems more filler than legendary compared to any of the others. I just think that Heatran could even function, if you have a creative imagination, as a pseudo-legendary. I mean, say it was the last in a 3-pokemon evolution chain. I really don't see anything wrong with that. Cresselia has a bit more of a legendary appearance than Heatran, to be fair. It's got that whole "lunar, sparkly" feel to it.
lol
You go through an annoying dungeon to battle it, it plays legendary music, it intercourse ing rapes poop, what more do you need? It's no where near being a filler legendary.
Quote from: Zero on September 26, 2011, 01:12:01 PM
You go through an annoying dungeon to battle it, it plays legendary music, it intercourse ing rapes poop, what more do you need? It's no where near being a filler legendary.
It has no story or anything, it's just there. GameFreak just decided "Oh hell let's just throw another one in there." There's no plot to it or anything. It's like Mewtwo in gen I... only Mewtwo was one of four obtainable legendaries. Heatran is one of... seven? AT LEAST. There's the trio, the cover legendary, Giratina, Cresselia, Regigigas... which is seven right there. Then there are FOUR specially obtained Legendaries (counting Manaphy).
It's the number.
Trio: There's always a trio. Been that way since Gen I; it's understandable.
Dialga/Palkia: Climax of the story, etc etc.
Giratina: Seemed more filler until Platinum, which completely gave it meaning.
Cresselia: Your roamer. As if Mesprit didn't count, but at least there's the whole Cresselia/Darkrai rivalry thing.
Regigigas: The kind of past legendaries. Not exactly necessary, but at least it has a backstory
Heatran: As if that wasn't enough let's throw another in at the end of a cave, why not?
I understand its purpose: It gives meaning to the Battle Zone. The whole island is optional, but if you travel to the deepest part of the island possible, you find Heatran. It's cool. I just didn't like the way they kind of kept him underground. I'm not sure if anyone in-game even references it. If they threw a little legend behind it (Like Kyurem in B/W--the citizens of the town right next to its lair go in their houses at night because the big scary monster comes out of the giant hole, etc.)
I mean, it needs at least SOMETHING. It didn't get anything. It just sat there chilling in the back of a volcano until someone decided "What's in there?"
Needs more legend story.
Quote from: Kayo on September 26, 2011, 01:29:27 PM
It has no story or anything, it's just there. GameFreak just decided "Oh hell let's just throw another one in there." There's no plot to it or anything. It's like Mewtwo in gen I... only Mewtwo was one of four obtainable legendaries. Heatran is one of... seven? AT LEAST. There's the trio, the cover legendary, Giratina, Cresselia, Regigigas... which is seven right there. Then there are FOUR specially obtained Legendaries (counting Manaphy).
It's the number.
Trio: There's always a trio. Been that way since Gen I; it's understandable.
Dialga/Palkia: Climax of the story, etc etc.
Giratina: Seemed more filler until Platinum, which completely gave it meaning.
Cresselia: Your roamer. As if Mesprit didn't count, but at least there's the whole Cresselia/Darkrai rivalry thing.
Regigigas: The kind of past legendaries. Not exactly necessary, but at least it has a backstory
Heatran: As if that wasn't enough let's throw another in at the end of a cave, why not?
I understand its purpose: It gives meaning to the Battle Zone. The whole island is optional, but if you travel to the deepest part of the island possible, you find Heatran. It's cool. I just didn't like the way they kind of kept him underground. I'm not sure if anyone in-game even references it. If they threw a little legend behind it (Like Kyurem in B/W--the citizens of the town right next to its lair go in their houses at night because the big scary monster comes out of the giant hole, etc.)
I mean, it needs at least SOMETHING. It didn't get anything. It just sat there chilling in the back of a volcano until someone decided "What's in there?"
Needs more legend story.
Charon clearly wants to harness its power in Platinum. Besides, taking away the meaning to the Battle Zone is ignoring it had another meaning.
Quote from: Zero on September 26, 2011, 01:12:01 PM
You go through an annoying dungeon to battle it, it plays legendary music, it intercourse ing rapes poop, what more do you need? It's no where near being a filler legendary.
Quote from: Zero on September 26, 2011, 07:06:48 PM
I don't need to see your post again; it's more filler than any other legendary.
It's no less "filler" than 90% of the legendaries found in the first few gens.
Quote from: Kayo on September 26, 2011, 07:09:03 PM
I don't need to see your post again; it's more filler than any other legendary.
Quote from: Zero on September 26, 2011, 01:12:01 PM
You go through an annoying dungeon to battle it, it plays legendary music, it intercourse ing rapes poop, what more do you need? It's no where near being a filler legendary.
Thread about giving Eevee good moves turns into a Fire Pokemon debate.
God dangit you guys don't know how to stay on topic about anything.
Quote from: Riddler21 on September 26, 2011, 07:26:22 PM
Thread about giving Eevee good moves turns into a Fire Pokemon debate.
God dangit you guys don't know how to stay on topic about anything.
It's what happens when everything that can be said about said topic is said and Kayo posts.
Recipe for disaster.
I miss Flareon.
I remember choosing Flareon in original Red... and my starter was Venusaur. Good times; good, mediocre times.
I do really want to use this "glitch," though; I could at long last fulfill my dream of having a useful all-Eeveelution team (and I need Flareon because he's awesome and Glaceon's lame). Too bad I don't own either of the two games required for it to work.
Quote from: Neerb on September 26, 2011, 08:09:46 PM
I remember choosing Flareon in original Red... and my starter was Venusaur. Good times; good, mediocre times.
I do really want to use this "glitch," though; I could at long last fulfill my dream of having a useful all-Eeveelution team (and I need Flareon because he's awesome and Glaceon's lame). Too bad I don't own either of the two games required for it to work.
pokesav?
Quote from: Kayo on September 26, 2011, 08:16:12 PM
pokesav?
^
If you want the moves then just pokesav it. Don't waste your time.