i'm really leaning on getting action replay for the DS for pearl. i did research online and some people didn't mention any risks and some said that if you type the code in wrong there a chance your file will get deleted. that true?
Probably, but if you use a flashcart or an emulator, that wouldn't be a problem.
Quote from: Rayquarian on April 29, 2009, 05:19:09 PM
Probably, but if you use a flashcart or an emulator, that wouldn't be a problem.
what are flashcarts and emulators?
I was in a Serebii chat room, soon after I got there, another person came in and said "Action Replay erased my Diamond file! Help me!" or something of the sort. But I think I have a wrong code on my action replay (doesn't work) and my Pearl file's fine.
As long as you're not a complete idiot, Action Replay has no notable risks.
And for extra cautiousness, it's probably best not to:
- Save when using codes that don't work
- Use a code to reach an inescapable area, especially with 'walk through walls'
- Save after a code makes something really weird, like making a Pokemon's HP bar exceed the width of the screen, corrupting the tiles you see on-screen, make NPCs speak really strange symbols, etc. (generally anything that Missingno can cause in older games)
- Trigger storyline events out-of-order by using an HM before you should or walking through walls.
- Use Pokemon with unrealistic stats or movesets online
- Enable every single code at once
Don't use Action Replay because:
- It's not worth it
- No self-respecting Pokemon trainer would DARE USE IT
- No self-respecting Pokemon trainer would respect YOU if you used it
- It's a waste of time, money, effort, etc.
- It could harm your game
ALSO, emulators (copies of games made into computer files) are bad because you can't trade or play with others and they're all ILLEGAL.
Flashcarts? lolwut
Quote from: TerribleFrog on May 03, 2009, 06:41:04 PM
Don't use Action Replay because:
- It's not worth it
- No self-respecting Pokemon trainer would DARE USE IT
- No self-respecting Pokemon trainer would respect YOU if you used it
- It's a waste of time, money, effort, etc.
- It could harm your game
- Yes it is.
- I may not respect myself, and neither does Bluaki (dislikes his gender), so maybe you're right there.
- Many people respect Bluaki, and everyone knows he uses it, so wrong there.
- Wrong.
- True, but that's mostly if you overuse it and use it stupidly.
Just as a point though, should you use it here, and on Pokemon, make sure any trades you do are legit. Make sure the user knows they are getting a "hacked" Pokemon. And no, many legitimate trainers use one.
Quote from: Macbeth on May 04, 2009, 10:22:32 PM
Just as a point though, should you use it here, and on Pokemon, make sure any trades you do are legit. Make sure the user knows they are getting a "hacked" Pokemon. And no, many legitimate trainers use one.
WRONG. Sorry for being blunt and outright disagreeing, but hacking is not legitimate. Is hacking into someone's computer legitimate? I think not. Hacking in a Pokemon game is cheating. If you hack, you cheat, and are therefore not legitimate. If you couldn't normally get a [insert wanted Pokemon here] through normal gameplay, what makes you think you can get it through Action Replay and call it legitimate? It was meant to be that way. It's just the way the games were made. The developers meant for gamers to actually travel to downloads, the only legitimate way to get many Pokemon. Action Replay and similar devices are meant for cheating/hacking and obtaining Pokemon in ways that they are not normally meant to be obtained. Please don't try to legitimize cheating/hacking, etc. and any variations thereof. It'll just make you look desperate (no offense).
TerribleFrog, just shut up. You're making yourself look like a fool.
Everyone here is laughing at you, Terriblefrog.
Quote from: Friendly Hostile on May 11, 2009, 09:40:05 AM
TerribleFrog, just shut up. You're making yourself look like a fool.
Well you have to agree to an extent. I hack all the time but I use it for multiplayer games where no progress is made. Using it to hack a one player game just so you can skip most of the play through does seem a bit of a waste to me.
Quote from: Ridley on May 11, 2009, 10:30:23 AM
Well you have to agree to an extent. I hack all the time but I use it for multiplayer games where no progress is made. Using it to hack a one player game just so you can skip most of the play through does seem a bit of a waste to me.
The way he's choosing to present that opinion is why he should quit now instead of arguing this further. He's not helping his case at all.
Quote from: TerribleFrog
WRONG.
Oh this should be fun.
Quote from: TerribleFrogSorry for being blunt and outright disagreeing, but hacking is not legitimate.
I don't claim it is LEGIT, I clearly note that if one does hack, they should inform the users of the trade as a condition. This way I don't have to hound them for causing issues. I also note that legitimate trainers may hack, but I never specifically say it is.
Quote from: TerribleFrogIs hacking into someone's computer legitimate? I think not.
Is using an anti venom to stop poisoning legit? The fact is you are using a poison to cure poisoning. As such, hacking can be a legitimate process - it all depends on the circumstance. Use founded arguments, not fallacies, please.
Quote from: TerribleFrogHacking in a Pokemon game is cheating. If you hack, you cheat, and are therefore not legitimate.
What is illegitimate here, though? You're using a device to enhance your own gameplay - is that not the point of video games?
Quote from: TerribleFrogIf you couldn't normally get a [insert wanted Pokemon here] through normal gameplay, what makes you think you can get it through Action Replay and call it legitimate?
Many "hackers" use devices to help speed up the process of finding perfectly IV'd Pokemon, rather than SRíng constantly, they can make the process a bit easier on themselves. They still go through and do the work, it's just a matter of how.
Quote from: TerribleFrogIt was meant to be that way. It's just the way the games were made. The developers meant for gamers to actually travel to downloads, the only legitimate way to get many Pokemon. Action Replay and similar devices are meant for cheating/hacking and obtaining Pokemon in ways that they are not normally meant to be obtained.
No, you missed the boat. Hacked Pokemon can't get you events. You can't hack a legitimate event - never have been able to, never will. What you can hack is a desirable Pokemon in terms of stats, etc. And who are you to dictate how a Pokémon is meant to be obtained? Unless you developed the game yourself, you're just a bystander.
Quote from: TerribleFrogPlease don't try to legitimize cheating/hacking, etc. and any variations thereof. It'll just make you look desperate (no offense).
How do I look desperate? I myself don't partake in hacking, but I have numerous friends that do for the reasons highlighted above and a myriad of others. Said process has no effect on the game and is strictly a matter of convenience. Your vendetta against it bothers me, mainly because you haven't presented a solid reason not to use devices as such. SHFFLing in Smash Bros. could therefore be called hacking, but it isn't - merely exploiting something that was overlooked. Nothing wrong with that. And in terms of this board and this forum, hacking is perfectly acceptable.
i got action replay and since i have an ancient pearl file that i'd cry if i lost it (it has everything from every game i've played on there) i use my platinum that i never bothered beating as my guinea pig. i hack my platinum to get rare candies, Tm's, etc. and trade pearl pokemon to platinum, give them the goods, and then trade them back. I've been doing it for a week and its worked great.
For those of you that are against action replay you should open your eyes.Technically hacking for rare candies isn't cheating. I mean, I don't have the time to sit around and beat the elite 4 200 times just so my Salemence grows to level 80. Nor do I have the time to beat the battle tower 200 times so i can get one rare candy or TM. Besides, it has a drawback ( pokemon leveled by rare candies don't have as high a potential in terms of stats as purely trained pokemon), which therefore makes it fair; I'm making a sacrifice. And where am I supposed to get a decent TM? I don't have wi-fi, so my only outside resources are Red, Sapphire/Colleseum. Just to be clear its not like i use it to get all my gym badges and nat dex for me. I don't use use it to hack pokemon I don't have (unless I want it for my party), I'm not much of a collector. I only like to battle really. Basically anyone that doesn't want to spend hours beating the elite 4 over and over again and doesn't have wi-fi could have a lot more opportunity by getting action replay.
oh yeah, thanks for the advice people.
Quote from: tibar21 on May 11, 2009, 06:44:05 PM
( pokemon leveled by rare candies don't have as high a potential in terms of stats as purely trained pokemon)
Actually, if a Pokémon is already fully EV trained, then it doesn't matter how you level it up to 100, the stats will be the same.
Quote from: Macbeth on May 11, 2009, 03:20:45 PM
Oh this should be fun.
I don't claim it is LEGIT, I clearly note that if one does hack, they should inform the users of the trade as a condition. This way I don't have to hound them for causing issues. I also note that legitimate trainers may hack, but I never specifically say it is.
Is using an anti venom to stop poisoning legit? The fact is you are using a poison to cure poisoning. As such, hacking can be a legitimate process - it all depends on the circumstance. Use founded arguments, not fallacies, please.
What is illegitimate here, though? You're using a device to enhance your own gameplay - is that not the point of video games?
Many "hackers" use devices to help speed up the process of finding perfectly IV'd Pokemon, rather than SRíng constantly, they can make the process a bit easier on themselves. They still go through and do the work, it's just a matter of how.
No, you missed the boat. Hacked Pokemon can't get you events. You can't hack a legitimate event - never have been able to, never will. What you can hack is a desirable Pokemon in terms of stats, etc. And who are you to dictate how a Pokémon is meant to be obtained? Unless you developed the game yourself, you're just a bystander.
How do I look desperate? I myself don't partake in hacking, but I have numerous friends that do for the reasons highlighted above and a myriad of others. Said process has no effect on the game and is strictly a matter of convenience. Your vendetta against it bothers me, mainly because you haven't presented a solid reason not to use devices as such. SHFFLing in Smash Bros. could therefore be called hacking, but it isn't - merely exploiting something that was overlooked. Nothing wrong with that. And in terms of this board and this forum, hacking is perfectly acceptable.
All right, I agree that you should inform people of trades with hacked Pokemon. I accidentally traded for a hacked Darkrai (which I will probably never use) and didn't find out until after the trade.
Also, you may be right in the case that hacking can be a legitimate process, but it is not in this case. I shouldn't have used that analogy because we're not talking about stealing someone's "docs", it's just a Pokemon game. But then again, we're not talking about an anti venom curing poison. That analogy is wrong also (in the case of anti venom:poison
: hacking/Action Replay etc.:Pokemon games) because the anti venom is a solution to a
problem. No problem exists (that can be hacked to overcome) in any Pokemon game unless the trainer decides to make a problem out of it (i.e. Pokemon not on high level, needs good EV's, needs good IV's etc.). All other "problems" are present in the main storyline and can easily be beaten by progressing through the main game.
"Enhance [my] own gameplay"? I'd say that's good, but it's not the main point of video games. Isn't the main point of video games to have fun? I think that's a fair generalization. Of course, some people may use Action Replay to further their video gaming enjoyment, but in the case of Pokemon games, if you want to legitimately battle another trainer fairly, Action Replay is not acceptable for use on either side. It just gives an unfair advantage to one player. If handicaps are used, I could see the argument, but in a fair fight? I think not. It just allows one trainer to achieve better things in shorter amounts of time. I don't think that's fair. In case you didn't know, all this time, I've been talking about
official competitive play. I don't approve of Action Replay in any case, but I guess it's okay when used among a group of friends who casually play without serious battling intention. But isn't it a competition to see who can cheat the best? That changes the spirit of the game, in my opinion.
And no, I didn't "miss the boat". You have the opposite understood. I didn't say hacked Pokemon can get you events nor did I say that you can hack legitimate events. I may be just a "bystander", but I'm not dictating how they can be obtained. I'm merely stating how they are
meant to be obtained. I said that for some Pokemon (i.e. Mew, Deoxys, Darkrai, Celebi, etc.) you must travel in the real world to a download event (i.e. at Toys 'R' Us, GameStop") at a certain time to download a Pokemon. This information is revealed by Pokemon.com whenever it is available.
The possible effect hacking can have on a game is erase it or corrupt it. I'll admit that I haven't heard much of these except for the infamous "bad egg" which erases the file that it is saved in (after three cheats are used). I'm not sure if it still exists, but I'm pretty sure it has happened before.
I don't know what "SHFFLing" is (I'm not a big Brawl player) but Action Replay isn't something that was "overlooked". You must go out of your way to obtain it and deliberately use it to enhance your gameplay. It could not have been prevented as it is not "in game" but an add-on.
My main (and solid) reason for not using hacking devices including (but not limited to Action Replay) is that it gives a player an unfair and ill-gotten advantage over another player who cannot compete because of their lack of Action Replay (and/or similar devices). Remember, I'm talking about someone WITH Action Replay versus someone WITHOUT Action Replay in a battle. It just isn't fair.
As a side note, if you don't take part in hacking (good for you), why does my "vendetta" bother you? Just curious.
Quote from: Friendly Hostile on May 11, 2009, 09:40:05 AM
TerribleFrog, just shut up. You're making yourself look like a fool.
Quote from: Sgt. Pepper on May 11, 2009, 10:29:43 AM
Everyone here is laughing at you, Terriblefrog.
Also, I'd appreciate it if you wouldn't say mean things when someone tries to have a serious discussion. I realize that this isn't that board, but if you don't have anything nice to say, DON'T SAY IT. ;D
Oh, and thanks Ridley. ;D
Quote from: TerribleFrog on May 11, 2009, 08:31:06 PM
Also, I'd appreciate it if you wouldn't say mean things when someone tries to have a serious discussion. I realize that this isn't that board, but if you don't have anything nice to say, DON'T SAY IT. ;D
Grow a pair dear. You'll certainly need them here.
Quote from: tibar21 on May 11, 2009, 06:44:05 PM
i got action replay and since i have an ancient pearl file that i'd cry if i lost it (it has everything from every game i've played on there) i use my platinum that i never bothered beating as my guinea pig. i hack my platinum to get rare candies, Tm's, etc. and trade pearl pokemon to platinum, give them the goods, and then trade them back. I've been doing it for a week and its worked great.
For those of you that are against action replay you should open your eyes.Technically hacking for rare candies isn't cheating. I mean, I don't have the time to sit around and beat the elite 4 200 times just so my Salemence grows to level 80. Nor do I have the time to beat the battle tower 200 times so i can get one rare candy or TM. Besides, it has a drawback ( pokemon leveled by rare candies don't have as high a potential in terms of stats as purely trained pokemon), which therefore makes it fair; I'm making a sacrifice. And where am I supposed to get a decent TM? I don't have wi-fi, so my only outside resources are Red, Sapphire/Colleseum. Just to be clear its not like i use it to get all my gym badges and nat dex for me. I don't use use it to hack pokemon I don't have (unless I want it for my party), I'm not much of a collector. I only like to battle really. Basically anyone that doesn't want to spend hours beating the elite 4 over and over again and doesn't have wi-fi could have a lot more opportunity by getting action replay.
oh yeah, thanks for the advice people.
Though AR isn't that bad, getting many Rare Candies due to you being lazy IS cheating.
Quote from: TerribleFrog on May 11, 2009, 08:31:06 PM
Also, I'd appreciate it if you wouldn't say mean things when someone tries to have a serious discussion. I realize that this isn't that board, but if you don't have anything nice to say, DON'T SAY IT. ;D
PfffHAHAH! Dude, either leave forever or learn the ways of the Internet/NSFCD, barely anyone follows the rule of "if you don't have anything nice to say, don't say anything at all."
Also, yes AR IS cheating, but it isn't as bad as you make it out to be. "When someone with an AR is battling against someone without an AR, it is at a disadvantage, and I think that's unfair." Oh boo hoo, cry me a river, then jump in it and drown. Life isn't fair. And it's not
that unfair, it's just to get some extra stuff.
Oh god, this thread just keeps getting better and better.
Quote from: TerribleFrog on May 11, 2009, 08:31:06 PM
Also, I'd appreciate it if you wouldn't say mean things when someone tries to have a serious discussion. I realize that this isn't that board, but if you don't have anything nice to say, DON'T SAY IT. ;D
How the hell is anything in this thread a serious discussion? You're making yourself sound like a complete dippoop. Whoops, I said something mean, oh well life goes on.
I do know the ways of the internet. Why are you butting in? I'd just rather you not insult me. Learn to express yourself without hatred "dear" (both of you). You may not think I have "a pair", but at least I can reason with someone without insulting them.
Quote from: TerribleFrog on May 12, 2009, 05:07:17 AM
I do know the ways of the internet. Why are you butting in? I'd just rather you not insult me. Learn to express yourself without hatred "dear" (both of you). You may not think I have "a pair", but at least I can reason with someone without insulting them.
Except your reasoning is flawed and biased.
This thread is too funny. Hostile telling Peter to grow a pair is really funny because he (Hostile) is gay lol. Also guys it might be worthwhile to argue his main statement instead of picking out a particular phrase and insulting him for it.
There is one thing I am confused about though. What are Matt and Hostile even doing here? They don't use action replay. ????
Edit: What am I even doing here. I don't play pokemon. ????
Quote from: Ridley on May 12, 2009, 11:15:45 AM
There is one thing I am confused about though. What are Matt and Hostile even doing here? They don't use action replay. ????
I used to for Diamond, but I find no point for it anymore.
Quote from: Sgt. Pepper on May 12, 2009, 12:58:24 PM
I used to for Diamond, but I find no point for it anymore.
K, thanks for the clarification.
Quote from: Ridley on May 12, 2009, 01:19:09 PM
K, thanks for the clarification.
I just can't help but to laugh at Terriblefrog, he is like the smart yet still retarded version of phatyo.
Quote from: Sgt. Pepper on May 12, 2009, 02:31:07 PM
I just can't help but to laugh at Terriblefrog, he is like the smart yet still retarded version of phatyo.
Don't worry, even his brother laughs at him. lol. Again no offense Peter.
Quote from: Friendly Hostile on May 12, 2009, 09:37:57 AM
Except your reasoning is flawed and biased.
Please give specific examples and quotes. Also, even if I am both of those, you should notice that I did not insult you or anyone else here by any means. What is the point of insulting me? If you have an opinion, please organize it into a complete and well-written thought and post it here so that I may understand it. In my opinion, Macbeth and I (and I hope he agrees with me on this) are trying to understand each others' viewpoints and point out what we think is wrong or misunderstood in the other one's in what we think is a reasonable manner.
Quote from: TerribleFrog on May 12, 2009, 02:48:41 PM
Please give specific examples and quotes. Also, even if I am both of those, you should notice that I did not insult you or anyone else here by any means. What is the point of insulting me? If you have an opinion, please organize it into a complete and well-written thought and post it here so that I may understand it. In my opinion, Macbeth and I (and I hope he agrees with me on this) are trying to understand each others' viewpoints and point out what we think is wrong or misunderstood in the other one's in what we think is a reasonable manner.
And you call yourself an EDiot.
Quote from: Ridley on May 12, 2009, 03:01:05 PM
And you call yourself an EDiot.
This is not ED though.
Okay.
This has quickly degraded into petty insults and an off topic discussion on the principles of using an AR and other cheating devices. That isn't what this thread was meant for. Under that logic, I am locking this....on two notes:
1. Feel free to make a thread discussing the use of "cheating" devices; being acceptable, the processes, whatever.
2. While I do appreciate trying to toughen him up, this is not the place to do so. While I can be guilty of it myself, I'm saying enough is enough on this one. It's been made quite clear by some of you as to what you think of Terrible. Wonderful. But it doesn't apply.
With that, this thread comes to an end. If Tibar has further questions regarding the AR, he is free to post a new topic.