Have you ever listened to death metal?
I was curious to see how s**ty it was, so I listened to it on the iTunes store and it was the worse thing i've ever heard in my life. It really creeped me out. anyone else have opinions on death metal?
2 worst forms of music: Rap and Death Metal.
Death metal is what emos generally enjoy, and it has to do with hell and all that. Its not even music, its just screaming with abused instruments in the background.
Rap is what gangsters generally enjoy. It talks about death and killing, as well as gang banging and slutty women. It uses the words "intercourse " and "n_gger" alot, and I disapprove. Its also not even music, just fancy talking with a beat to it.
Ehh...I usually like crazy music, but Death Metal isn't very appealing to me. I view it as a mosh pit being jammed in my ear.
That said, I listen to electronic music that's so hard that it's sometimes the antithesis of discernable music...but that stuff is actually good :B
Quote from: thunderhero4 on August 23, 2008, 12:19:55 AM
Death metal is what emos generally enjoy, and it has to do with hell and all that.
Seems like someone doesn't know the difference between screamo/emo and death metal. Death metal is for people who think they're complete badasses, not for people who cry for hours over their lost girlfriends and dye their hair jet black.
Quote from: Kaz on August 23, 2008, 12:30:17 PM
Quote from: thunderhero4 on August 23, 2008, 12:19:55 AM
Death metal is what emos generally enjoy, and it has to do with hell and all that.
Seems like someone doesn't know the difference between screamo/emo and death metal. Death metal is for people who think they're complete badasses, not for people who cry for hours over their lost girlfriends and dye their hair jet black.
people who die their hair jet black are punk. or at least thats how it used to be until the emos came and ruined everything. :(
Quote from: tibar21 on August 23, 2008, 03:51:39 PM
Quote from: Kaz on August 23, 2008, 12:30:17 PM
Quote from: thunderhero4 on August 23, 2008, 12:19:55 AM
Death metal is what emos generally enjoy, and it has to do with hell and all that.
Seems like someone doesn't know the difference between screamo/emo and death metal. Death metal is for people who think they're complete badasses, not for people who cry for hours over their lost girlfriends and dye their hair jet black.
people who die their hair jet black are punk. or at least thats how it used to be until the emos came and ruined everything. :(
People can still be punk with dyed black hair. It just can't be straight and pushed to one eye.
Besides, more vibrant hair colors suit punk kids better anyway. But I still think punk kids look stupid too.
I like Dethklok, do they count? I don't really think they do.. Yeah, I really don't like Death Metal. A few Death Metal songs are cool. Just not a lot of it.
Quote from: Customrobo13 on August 25, 2008, 04:25:44 PM
I like Dethklok, do they count? I don't really think they do.. Yeah, I really don't like Death Metal. A few Death Metal songs are cool. Just not a lot of it.
They sort of count if you ask me.
But I hate them anyway so I don't care.
It sounds like nobody here actually understands what death metal is.
What are the so-called "Death Metal" bands that you listened to?
Why not try some Opeth? Bloodbath maybe? How about some Arsis?
You people really don't understand Death Metal at all. How about reading some of the poetry written by these bands before you go off bashing a genre you know nothing about? Yes, I understand that what I'm doing is flaming, but people also need to understand not to judge what they are ignorant of.
Burden by Opeth (Melodic Death Metal)
Listen to the song here: http://www.myspace.com/sirerichenbach
There are no death metal growls in this particular song. I, once upon a time
Carried a burden inside
I sung a last goodbye
A broken rhyme I had underlined
There's an ocean of sorrow in you
A sorrow in me
I saw movement in their eyes
Thay said I no longer knew the way
I had given up the ghost
A passive mind submit to fear
And the wait for redemption at hand
Waiting to fail
Failing again
If death should take me now
Count my mistakes and let me through
Whisper in my ear
You've taken more than we've received
And the ocean of sorrow is youChange your opinion of Death Metal yet or do you need more?
This will probably reinforce your opinion of Death Metal, but oh well.
Sightless Wisdom by Arsis
Couldn't find the song online, sorry.
WARNING: Black Metal Screams, Death Metal Growls, Anti-religious lyrics (Even though you have quite the vocabulary to understand it, so bravo.)The congregation mourn the pale and listless,
Sullen eyes were blind to you
Then let blindness be their only truth,
Sightless wisdom in the shade of longing
For failure comes in many disguises, vicious flaws entombed by prose
Then let this grave hold their only secret,
Sightless wisdom in the shade of longing
Upon these grounds dwells an aura of mourn where every womb-bound soul shall awaken stillborn
The congregation celebrate their shame,
Sullen eyes blinded by guilt
Then let this guilt be their only virtue,
United by their flaws
Upon these grounds dwells an aura of mourn where every womb-bound soul shall awaken stillborn
Let blindness be their only truth
Let guilt be their only virtue
Let this grave hold their only secret
Sightless wisdom in the shade of longing
Upon these grounds dwells an aura of mourn where every womb-bound soul shall awake stillborn.The majority of James Malone's lyrics (writer/vocalist/lead guitarist for Arsis) are about a bad relationship though. I picked an odd one for him, haha.
Quote from: Customrobo13 on August 25, 2008, 04:25:44 PM
I like Dethklok, do they count? I don't really think they do.. Yeah, I really don't like Death Metal. A few Death Metal songs are cool. Just not a lot of it.
Dethklok is generic metalcore guitar rifts with semi-death vocals.
Quote from: Kaz on August 23, 2008, 12:30:17 PM
Quote from: thunderhero4 on August 23, 2008, 12:19:55 AM
Death metal is what emos generally enjoy, and it has to do with hell and all that.
Seems like someone doesn't know the difference between screamo/emo and death metal. Death metal is for people who think they're complete badasses, not for people who cry for hours over their lost girlfriends and dye their hair jet black.
Seems like someone understands the difference between screamo/emo and death metal, but not death metal and hardcore. Hardcore is for people who think they're complete badasses, Death Metal is for... interesting people... I listen to a bit of death metal myself.
Congratulations, you've made it through another one of my rants.
Quote from: ninja on September 01, 2008, 12:30:44 AM
Quote from: Kaz on August 23, 2008, 12:30:17 PM
Quote from: thunderhero4 on August 23, 2008, 12:19:55 AM
Death metal is what emos generally enjoy, and it has to do with hell and all that.
Seems like someone doesn't know the difference between screamo/emo and death metal. Death metal is for people who think they're complete badasses, not for people who cry for hours over their lost girlfriends and dye their hair jet black.
Seems like someone understands the difference between screamo/emo and death metal, but not death metal and hardcore. Hardcore is for people who think they're complete badasses, Death Metal is for... interesting people... I listen to a bit of death metal myself.
Congratulations, you've made it through another one of my rants.
Apparently you haven't met any of my death metal-listening friends.
But okay.
Quote from: ninja on September 01, 2008, 12:30:44 AM
Quote from: Kaz on August 23, 2008, 12:30:17 PM
Quote from: thunderhero4 on August 23, 2008, 12:19:55 AM
Death metal is what emos generally enjoy, and it has to do with hell and all that.
Seems like someone doesn't know the difference between screamo/emo and death metal. Death metal is for people who think they're complete badasses, not for people who cry for hours over their lost girlfriends and dye their hair jet black.
Seems like someone understands the difference between screamo/emo and death metal, but not death metal and hardcore. Hardcore is for people who think they're complete badasses, Death Metal is for... interesting people... I listen to a bit of death metal myself.
Interesting people...I guess, but not the kind of interesting people I usually hang out with. In my school, those "interesting people" are the chain-smokers and people in the lowest academic tiers.
I consider music for "interesting people" experimental rock, IDM, and breakcore. But then again, I have a very strong bias against non-electronic music, and American music for that matter (although I know that a good amount of metal is foreign).
Quote from: Zovistograt on September 01, 2008, 09:29:14 AM
Quote from: ninja on September 01, 2008, 12:30:44 AM
Quote from: Kaz on August 23, 2008, 12:30:17 PM
Quote from: thunderhero4 on August 23, 2008, 12:19:55 AM
Death metal is what emos generally enjoy, and it has to do with hell and all that.
Seems like someone doesn't know the difference between screamo/emo and death metal. Death metal is for people who think they're complete badasses, not for people who cry for hours over their lost girlfriends and dye their hair jet black.
Seems like someone understands the difference between screamo/emo and death metal, but not death metal and hardcore. Hardcore is for people who think they're complete badasses, Death Metal is for... interesting people... I listen to a bit of death metal myself.
Interesting people...I guess, but not the kind of interesting people I usually hang out with. In my school, those "interesting people" are the chain-smokers and people in the lowest academic tiers.
I consider music for "interesting people" experimental rock, IDM, and breakcore. But then again, I have a very strong bias against non-electronic music, and American music for that matter (although I know that a good amount of metal is foreign).
A good amount of everything is foreign. Europe, particularly England, is the rock capital of the world.
Quote from: Kaz on September 01, 2008, 09:45:10 AM
Quote from: Zovistograt on September 01, 2008, 09:29:14 AM
Quote from: ninja on September 01, 2008, 12:30:44 AM
Quote from: Kaz on August 23, 2008, 12:30:17 PM
Quote from: thunderhero4 on August 23, 2008, 12:19:55 AM
Death metal is what emos generally enjoy, and it has to do with hell and all that.
Seems like someone doesn't know the difference between screamo/emo and death metal. Death metal is for people who think they're complete badasses, not for people who cry for hours over their lost girlfriends and dye their hair jet black.
Seems like someone understands the difference between screamo/emo and death metal, but not death metal and hardcore. Hardcore is for people who think they're complete badasses, Death Metal is for... interesting people... I listen to a bit of death metal myself.
Interesting people...I guess, but not the kind of interesting people I usually hang out with. In my school, those "interesting people" are the chain-smokers and people in the lowest academic tiers.
I consider music for "interesting people" experimental rock, IDM, and breakcore. But then again, I have a very strong bias against non-electronic music, and American music for that matter (although I know that a good amount of metal is foreign).
A good amount of everything is foreign. Europe, particularly England, is the rock capital of the world.
Except for American mainstream music. :B
Quote from: Kaz on September 01, 2008, 09:45:10 AM
Quote from: Zovistograt on September 01, 2008, 09:29:14 AM
Quote from: ninja on September 01, 2008, 12:30:44 AM
Quote from: Kaz on August 23, 2008, 12:30:17 PM
Quote from: thunderhero4 on August 23, 2008, 12:19:55 AM
Death metal is what emos generally enjoy, and it has to do with hell and all that.
Seems like someone doesn't know the difference between screamo/emo and death metal. Death metal is for people who think they're complete badasses, not for people who cry for hours over their lost girlfriends and dye their hair jet black.
Seems like someone understands the difference between screamo/emo and death metal, but not death metal and hardcore. Hardcore is for people who think they're complete badasses, Death Metal is for... interesting people... I listen to a bit of death metal myself.
Interesting people...I guess, but not the kind of interesting people I usually hang out with. In my school, those "interesting people" are the chain-smokers and people in the lowest academic tiers.
I consider music for "interesting people" experimental rock, IDM, and breakcore. But then again, I have a very strong bias against non-electronic music, and American music for that matter (although I know that a good amount of metal is foreign).
A good amount of everything is foreign. Europe, particularly England, is the rock capital of the world.
lol, the majority of Death Metal and Black Metal is from northern europe. Numetal and Metalcore are the American ones, which fail miserably.
Quote from: Kaz on September 01, 2008, 01:48:23 AM
Quote from: ninja on September 01, 2008, 12:30:44 AM
Quote from: Kaz on August 23, 2008, 12:30:17 PM
Quote from: thunderhero4 on August 23, 2008, 12:19:55 AM
Death metal is what emos generally enjoy, and it has to do with hell and all that.
Seems like someone doesn't know the difference between screamo/emo and death metal. Death metal is for people who think they're complete badasses, not for people who cry for hours over their lost girlfriends and dye their hair jet black.
Seems like someone understands the difference between screamo/emo and death metal, but not death metal and hardcore. Hardcore is for people who think they're complete badasses, Death Metal is for... interesting people... I listen to a bit of death metal myself.
Congratulations, you've made it through another one of my rants.
Apparently you haven't met any of my death metal-listening friends.
But okay.
Apparently, your friends don't make the stereotype, the majority of the community do.
Quote from: Zovistograt on September 01, 2008, 09:29:14 AM
Quote from: ninja on September 01, 2008, 12:30:44 AM
Quote from: Kaz on August 23, 2008, 12:30:17 PM
Quote from: thunderhero4 on August 23, 2008, 12:19:55 AM
Death metal is what emos generally enjoy, and it has to do with hell and all that.
Seems like someone doesn't know the difference between screamo/emo and death metal. Death metal is for people who think they're complete badasses, not for people who cry for hours over their lost girlfriends and dye their hair jet black.
Seems like someone understands the difference between screamo/emo and death metal, but not death metal and hardcore. Hardcore is for people who think they're complete badasses, Death Metal is for... interesting people... I listen to a bit of death metal myself.
Interesting people...I guess, but not the kind of interesting people I usually hang out with. In my school, those "interesting people" are the chain-smokers and people in the lowest academic tiers.
I consider music for "interesting people" experimental rock, IDM, and breakcore. But then again, I have a very strong bias against non-electronic music, and American music for that matter (although I know that a good amount of metal is foreign).
lol, the "interesting people" thing was sort of poking fun at myself and others who listen to death metal... because most of us don't quite seem right in the head... (not talking intelligence-wise though... the ones who failed out were the slipcock fans [numetal])
BTW- did you guys listen to Burden/read the lyrics for the songs?
What do you call this?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mnDEFyV88Qs
Because I like the occasional ATR now and again.
Yeah, I'm more into hardcore, like Set Your Goals and Four Year Strong, but I know s*** about music so saying it's hardcore is probably a misnomer.
I like Nightwish but that's symphonic metal.
And yeah, one thing that's been killing me. There was this band that I heard on iTunes maybe 5 months ago, and from what I remember it was, like, female fronted screamo, as in the singer. Might've had some black metal thrown in there too. If I remember, they had one of those weird names that's spelled kinda weird, but hell, every metal band is like that. I also might just be forgetting.
This has been killing me. Any suggestions/ideas?
Oh, and if you're totally lost, I think they're kinda like Wykked Wytch but a fair bit lighter.
Quote from: Level_9_Chao on September 02, 2008, 07:55:53 PM
Yeah, I'm more into hardcore, like Set Your Goals and Four Year Strong, but I know s*** about music so saying it's hardcore is probably a misnomer.
I like Nightwish but that's symphonic metal.
And yeah, one thing that's been killing me. There was this band that I heard on iTunes maybe 5 months ago, and from what I remember it was, like, female fronted screamo, as in the singer. Might've had some black metal thrown in there too. If I remember, they had one of those weird names that's spelled kinda weird, but hell, every metal band is like that. I also might just be forgetting.
This has been killing me. Any suggestions/ideas?
Oh, and if you're totally lost, I think they're kinda like Wykked Wytch but a fair bit lighter.
Yeah, I occasionally enjoy Nightwish, but not something I listen to often. Symphonic metal isn't always my thing. I'm not too big a fan of the slow female vocals, but I do thoroughly enjoy "Shadowsouls" by Imperanon (album: stained). It is more of a black metal/power metal though IMO... but I'm not sure what they technically are.
Not sure what band you're talking about. Sir Petenik may know, he knows more about metal than myself.
Quote from: Hector_the_Axe on September 02, 2008, 07:03:15 PM
What do you call this?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mnDEFyV88Qs
Because I like the occasional ATR now and again.
All That Remains is Metalcore. Some may argue that the vocals are Hardcore with a bit of hardcore chugga chugga guitar, but overall the band is a Metalcore band.
Either way ATR is great. D:
This thread has an incredible amount of bad generalizations. It's almost laughable.
Also, I don't really like death metal at all. The vocals usually turn me off.
Guys... I'm amazed by how hard some of you fail at categorizing music.
On topic, I listen to death metal. I'm not one of those guys who listens to it exclusively, but when I'm in the mood for it I like some of the smarter stuff like Death and Atheist. Death metal made for a select audience, and basing your opinion on it on a 30 second clip of some random band you picked is mega-stupid.
Quote from: Chloroform? on September 20, 2008, 08:00:46 AM
This thread has an incredible amount of bad generalizations. It's almost laughable.
Just "almost?"
Quote from: Beatnik on September 20, 2008, 01:10:13 PM
Guys... I'm amazed by how hard some of you fail at categorizing music.
On topic, I listen to death metal. I'm not one of those guys who listens to it exclusively, but when I'm in the mood for it I like some of the smarter stuff like Death and Atheist. Death metal made for a select audience, and basing your opinion on it on a 30 second clip of some random band you picked is mega-stupid.
hmm...it is true that people do the same to some types of electronic music. Labeling all of it as techno is dead wrong (most electronic music isn't techno at all :P).
The problem is that people have instilled taste, and things that are on the outer extremes of the spectrum (death metal...gabber/speedcore) are said to be just annoying, or whatever. I don't like death metal simply because when I want hard music, I always prefer electronic. It's hard to compare the hardness of something like gabber, breakcore, hardstyle, or speedcore to the likes of death metal because they are simply different in their own right.
But that's just coming from my electronic-music-loving-most-rock-is-meh approach to music.
It's just like when people put Happy Hardcore and Trance into the same genre. Sure, they can both be considered techno, but it's like putting NuMetal and Black Metal in the same category, because they're both types of metal (haha, I still don't understand numetal being considered new metal...)
Well, everyone's favorite death metal bands?
Opeth takes the cake for me.
Once in a while I'll listen to one of the more traditional stuff like Cannibal Corpse, Cyrptopsy or Aborted, but usually that stuff gets old fast. Too much focus on being loud and fast, not enough focus on doing something interesting.
Black metal, on the other hand, is one of the few genres of music that actually tries to expand the borders of the genre. Of course, there will always be bands like Sargeist who just immitate other bands, but guys like Wolves in the Throneroom and Darkestrah do some really inventive stuff.
Is anyone here familiar with the term Southern Rock? Because that's pretty much what every calls death metal, black metal, viking metal, and whatnot around here. It's fairly close to being the most popular genre at all the clubs. It's very rare that you'll go to a show and not have 3/5 of the bands playing be Southern Rock.
They aren't my tastes, and I would never listen to them by choice, but I love going to shows where there's a big crowd. I, myself, have never witnessed anyone die, but I know plenty of people that have called me at around three in the morning, bawling because they just saw some small girl get massacred by the dancers.
Where I live, the kids that hardcore dance at death metal shows are the ones that get the crap beat out of them.
Hooray that 24 crew is dead, bunch of pussies that they are.
Quote from: ninja on September 22, 2008, 09:50:15 PM
Where I live, the kids that hardcore dance at death metal shows are the ones that get the crap beat out of them.
Hooray that 24 crew is dead, bunch of pussies that they are.
To me, that just doesn't make sense. If you dance here, that's considered a non-verbal way of telling the band that you're enjoying their music. So even if you're the only one dancing, chances are the band will come up to you after the show and thank you.
Depends on what kind of music you're listening to for what kind of dance you give people.
Normally, death metal shows involve the Wall of Death and circlepits
myself, I prefer to go to ska shows and skank it up. I just did this last night haha, but I fell asleep before it finished uploading onto youtube.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fNLHrB4ItQs
bababoosh skankin ftw
Death metal and thrash metal form the border of 'loudness' that I'll willingly listen to in music. There are certain bands in both genres that I will/won't listen to. Typically, the difference between whether I will or won't listen depends on how melodic they are. The more dissonant and mosh-y a band gets (lol hi slayer), the more turned off I get. I'll listen to Opeth and In Flames on occasion, and I also enjoy Metallica and Megadeth. However, I don't listen to these songs continually...they're perhaps a once-every-hour-on-my-playlist kind of thing.
Quote from: PsychoYoshi on September 24, 2008, 07:14:34 AM
The more dissonant and mosh-y a band gets (lol hi slayer), the more turned off I get.
I understand that completely. I listen to stuff that's unlistenable to even a large portion of the metal community, and even I don't care much for Slayer. It also doesn't help that Tom Araya is a total choad.
Quote from: ninja on September 24, 2008, 06:46:17 AM
Depends on what kind of music you're listening to for what kind of dance you give people.
Normally, death metal shows involve the Wall of Death and circlepits
myself, I prefer to go to ska shows and skank it up. I just did this last night haha, but I fell asleep before it finished uploading onto youtube.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fNLHrB4ItQs
bababoosh skankin ftw
I wish I could skank like that. My technique is atrocious.
Quote from: ninja on September 24, 2008, 06:46:17 AM
Depends on what kind of music you're listening to for what kind of dance you give people.
Normally, death metal shows involve the Wall of Death and circlepits
myself, I prefer to go to ska shows and skank it up. I just did this last night haha, but I fell asleep before it finished uploading onto youtube.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fNLHrB4ItQs
bababoosh skankin ftw
Not enough kicking and punching. I never thought I'd say that to an Asian.
I don't think Ninja's that kind of skank.
haha, what can I say? I'm not a violent skank.
Petenik, you should post your rockin out video on here for what you do at concerts ^,^
Only Death Metal I like is Slipknot (Is that Death Metal or just Metal?).
Please, GTFO this thread, NOW.
NuMetal fails.
Eh, I like some kinds of metal, but I don't think I've ever been able to stand death metal.
Quote from: Phaze on October 05, 2008, 09:07:54 PM
Only Death Metal I like is Slipknot (Is that Death Metal or just Metal?).
What Ninja said, GTFO. That's nu metal, and it's a well-known fact that nu metal isn't really metal to begin with. Only reason that I'll listen to any Disturbed now is because they've gotten away from that genre.
As for Slipknot, they're one of my least favorite bands ever, right up there with Slayer, Nirvana, Linkin Park, System of a Down, and RATM.
Okay, because I am never really good at getting genres of music right, I have been into this band DevilDriver lately.
Links to some of their songs:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bDm-QVrPd8A
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UUK6Qh9tFrQ
Are they considered Death Metal?
Quote from: Customrobo13 on October 09, 2008, 01:11:09 PM
Okay, because I am never really good at getting genres of music right, I have been into this band DevilDriver lately.
Links to some of their songs:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bDm-QVrPd8A
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UUK6Qh9tFrQ
Are they considered Death Metal?
Groove metal, I believe.
Never really listened to them, don't plan to.
Quote from: metroidhunter777 on October 09, 2008, 05:56:16 PM
Quote from: Customrobo13 on October 09, 2008, 01:11:09 PM
Okay, because I am never really good at getting genres of music right, I have been into this band DevilDriver lately.
Links to some of their songs:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bDm-QVrPd8A
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UUK6Qh9tFrQ
Are they considered Death Metal?
Groove metal, I believe.
Never really listened to them, don't plan to.
I've never heard of Groove Metal. Rock Band did it to me, you should know that.
Other than the fact that nearly all death metal bands sound like they have the cookie monster for their lead vocalist, their riffs can be pretty sweet.
Cookie Monster vocals my ass. People always say that because they're not used to the music and just have to bash it to avoid giving it a chance.
I admit, death metal often needs something to transition people into it, such as metalcore. You don't get straight into death metal, it grows on you.
HOWEVER, I did see Opeth last night, and it was absolutely epic! Quite possibly the greatest performance I've seen.
Oh please, so many death metal bands use that voice all the time. I'm not trying to bash though, it's the truth.
most of the people that listen to death metal do it just to be different or bad ass. The Lead vocalist does not even have to know how to sing they just nedd to know how to scream. Besides the guitar riffs there is virtually no melody. I don't acknowledge death metal as music. it just flat out sucks.
Quote from: tibar21 on October 26, 2008, 11:37:50 AM
most of the people that listen to death metal do it just to be different or bad ass. The Lead vocalist does not even have to know how to sing they just nedd to know how to scream. Besides the guitar riffs there is virtually no melody. I don't acknowledge death metal as music. it just flat out sucks.
Metal core is actually pretty melodic from what I've experienced.
Speaking of, Overcome came out recently- ATR's new album- And i recommend you listen to that if you want a good mix of metal, melody, and vocals.
They changed their sound a bit... for the better I believe.
Quote from: tibar21 on October 26, 2008, 11:37:50 AM
most of the people that listen to death metal do it just to be different or bad ass. The Lead vocalist does not even have to know how to sing they just nedd to know how to scream. Besides the guitar riffs there is virtually no melody. I don't acknowledge death metal as music. it just flat out sucks.
You're...being kinda idiotic.
I could say people listen to classical just to try and be sophisticated. Or people listen to hip hop to try and be ghetto. Or people listen to Electronic because all they do is play video games. You are basing everything about the genre on stereotypes.
I listen to a bunch of Metal, and harsh vocals are extremely difficult to do. You just can't tell the difference between good and bad because you don't listed to any death metal. Any yet, you insult it.
That being said, many death metal bands have absolutely incredible clean singers. Scar symmetry, Soilwork. Both singers are classically trained.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XX0p7Y3gND4
Go to 2:05
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wAfRW_RMK4M
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dNP68roEQBY
You forget Drums on that talent part. Death metal drumming is considered to be the hardest, along with jazz.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fH72VUa-Fso
Fucking beautiful sweeps. Go to about...3:38 for awesomeness.
Grindcore is a terrible genre. If you have to bash something, bash that.
i have listened to countless death metal bands just to see what it was like. Next time ask me if I've ever tried it before saying I didn't. If death metal doesn't suck than why does 90% of death metal bands only last for one album? I'd have to say the most thrash death metal band I found was Braindrill.
Quote from: tibar21 on November 12, 2008, 06:19:11 PM
i have listened to countless death metal bands just to see what it was like. Next time ask me if I've ever tried it before saying I didn't.
Can you blame him for assuming that you don't know what you're talking about? Especially when you factor in the fact that you
don't know what you're talking about?
Quote from: tibar21 on November 12, 2008, 06:19:11 PM
If death metal doesn't suck than why does 90% of death metal bands only last for one album?
The reason so many Death Metal bands break up after one album is because there's no money in it. Some bands like Cannibal Corpse and Death have released dozens of albums and EP's because they had commercial success, but the majority of bands don't get signed because the music doesn't appeal to mainstream audiences.
See, you can make a lot of money and intercourse a lot of girls if you play simple stuff that appeals to the ignorant masses, like that atrocious pop-punk you listen to. Death metal isn't about money, glamor, or vagina-y. Death metal is about going to a little underground club that nobody has ever even heard of, the feeling of being thrown around in a mosh pit, the smell of sweat, the taste of blood in your mouth because you just got elbowed in the face by some guy, and the total sensory overload of the music hitting you like a tsunami of sound.
I may sound pretentious, but I'm not exaggerating. It's quite an experience.
Anyway, basing the quality of a genre on the way albums sell is like basing a review of a restaurant on how many people they've served. By your reasoning, my favorite restaurant (an amazing little german place called Jennifer's) is low quality because they generally only have a dozen or so people eating there on any given night. By your juvinile method of judging things, McDonalds would be a five star restaurant.
Quote from: tibar21 on November 12, 2008, 06:19:11 PM
I'd have to say the most thrash death metal band I found was Braindrill.
Hahaha, alright, that one wasn't even a coherant sentence.
at least in pop punk you can understand what they're saying. Death metal is the most atrocious genre in music.
Death metal bands only last for one record because people generally don't like it at all. When ever i tried listening to death meatal I couldn't even recognize the song structure. Face it death metal isn't popular because 9 out of 10 people think it sucks.
And by the way, being thrown around in a pit is what early punk rock was about, like the sex pistols and the clash. Punk rock pretty much invented pits once the sex pistols came up in 1975. And you don't need a drummer hitting a snare drum every split second with some guy screaming constantly to feel like you're getting hit by a tsunami of sound.
Just because I think death metal sucks doesn't mean I am to quick to judge. I don't even eat at McDonalds. Death metal may have some great blistering fast guitar, but if I wanted that I'd just listen to Dragonforce or Metallica.
Quote from: tibar21 on November 13, 2008, 05:05:04 PM
at least in pop punk you can understand what they're saying.
I can understand most of the death metal bands I listen to, but that's not even important. Music isn't about lyrics, music is about energy.
Quote from: tibar21 on November 13, 2008, 05:05:04 PMDeath metal is the most atrocious genre in music.
It really tickles me that you're reacting to death metal in the same way that people reacted to punk rock in the '70's.
Quote from: tibar21 on November 13, 2008, 05:05:04 PMDeath metal bands only last for one record because people generally don't like it at all. When ever i tried listening to death meatal I couldn't even recognize the song structure. Face it death metal isn't popular because 9 out of 10 people think it sucks.
9 out of 10 germans thought the holocaust was a swell idea. Popular opinion does not make something right.
Most people don't like death metal, that part is true, but it was never meant to appeal to "most people." It caters to a small audience of diehard fans. Just because you can't hear the intricacies of the music doesn't mean they don't exist.
Quote from: tibar21 on November 13, 2008, 05:05:04 PMAnd by the way, being thrown around in a pit is what early punk rock was about, like the sex pistols and the clash. Punk rock pretty much invented pits once the sex pistols came up in 1975.
I had a punk phase when I was young and stupid. You're not telling me anything I don't already know.
Quote from: tibar21 on November 13, 2008, 05:05:04 PMAnd you don't need a drummer hitting a snare drum every split second with some guy screaming constantly to feel like you're getting hit by a tsunami of sound.
True, but no other genre does it in the same way as death metal does.
Quote from: tibar21 on November 13, 2008, 05:05:04 PMJust because I think death metal sucks doesn't mean I am to quick to judge. I don't even eat at McDonalds. Death metal may have some great blistering fast guitar, but if I wanted that I'd just listen to Dragonforce or Metallica.
Ok, first off; Dragonforce is poop, and Metallica sold out harder than any other band in history.
Also, my post wasn't about McDonalds. I was making a metaphor.
I actually like metal, but I don't know if I have any music that constitutes 'death metal', per se.
The way I see it is, well I just don't like death metal.
I'm not a fan of listening to really "heavy" music.
THAT BEING SAID, I'm not going to criticize you for what music you listen to.
Everyone's entitled to listen to what they like.
Quote from: Beatnik on November 13, 2008, 08:12:01 PM
Quote from: tibar21 on November 13, 2008, 05:05:04 PM
at least in pop punk you can understand what they're saying.
I can understand most of the death metal bands I listen to, but that's not even important. Music isn't about lyrics, music is about energy.
Not defending Tibar, but you really can't make a valid argument out of that.
Music is different to each person.
Some people prefer meaningful lyrics others prefer listening to the instruments.
My point was that basing your opinion of a band on their lyrics is a shallow way of listening to music. I say that music is about energy because if music didn't make you feel anything, we wouldn't listen to it.
Quote from: Beatnik on November 14, 2008, 03:00:53 PM
My point was that basing your opinion of a band on their lyrics is a shallow way of listening to music. I say that music is about energy because if music didn't make you feel anything, we wouldn't listen to it.
And, thus, music is entirely a point of one's opinion. There's no point in defending it or promoting it, unless that makes you feel good, I guess, because everyone has a different opinion that they won't get away from.
Basically, what I've heard of death metal is kinda blah to me. Like you said, the musical technicality exist, but they're covered over by the drums blast beats and double pedal and the singer's... screaming. If it was really about the music, then you'd have more of a front in the bass and guitar. I prefer stuff that just dishes out the insane musical coolness second after second. Which is why I listen mainly to progressive rock or metal, Rush and Dream Theater, for example. They play what appeals to me musical; intercourse ing impressive musicianship. I listen to mainstream metal, as well, such as Metallica, and, although true they sold out, they still make decent music. Load-St. Anger was crap, but everything before and after is wholly Metallica, maybe outside of The Black Album. Again, Rush is mainstream, but barely; they just still have Tom Sawyer playing on the radio after 15 years. There was that brief sell-out period in the 90's, but they got over that. And Dream Theater... well, most people have never heard of them, so... ha.
So, you've explained what you enjoy musically... or, rather, physically, with the mosh pit and all that good stuff. And what I enjoy is completely different, being the musicianship or the solos or whatnot. No matter what, music is probably the biggest expression of one's opinion (unless you're just swept up in what everyone else is listening to...) and you're not gonna change that however much you argue against.
My two cents.
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Quote from: Beatnik on November 14, 2008, 03:00:53 PM
My point was that basing your opinion of a band on their lyrics is a shallow way of listening to music. I say that music is about energy because if music didn't make you feel anything, we wouldn't listen to it.
And, thus, music is entirely a point of one's opinion. There's no point in defending it or promoting it, unless that makes you feel good, I guess, because everyone has a different opinion that they won't get away from.
Basically, what I've heard of death metal is kinda blah to me. Like you said, the musical technicality exist, but they're covered over by the drums blast beats and double pedal and the singer's... screaming. If it was really about the music, then you'd have more of a front in the bass and guitar. I prefer stuff that just dishes out the insane musical coolness second after second. Which is why I listen mainly to progressive rock or metal, Rush and Dream Theater, for example. They play what appeals to me musical; f***ing impressive musicianship. I listen to mainstream metal, as well, such as Metallica, and, although true they sold out, they still make decent music. Load-St. Anger was crap, but everything before and after is wholly Metallica, maybe outside of The Black Album. Again, Rush is mainstream, but barely; they just still have Tom Sawyer playing on the radio after 15 years. There was that brief sell-out period in the 90's, but they got over that. And Dream Theater... well, most people have never heard of them, so... ha.
So, you've explained what you enjoy musically... or, rather, physically, with the mosh pit and all that good stuff. And what I enjoy is completely different, being the musicianship or the solos or whatnot. No matter what, music is probably the biggest expression of one's opinion (unless you're just swept up in what everyone else is listening to...) and you're not gonna change that however much you argue against.
My two cents.
i actually do argue about music and everything for that matter because it makes me feel good. The sad thing is that most people don't bother getting their own musical taste and just listen to Lil Wayne or Fergie or Nickleback. Music might actually be doing good if everyone had their own taste. For those that have their own taste, like us, we all think everyone else's taste of music sucks but ours. And sure the holocaust might have been popular among Germans 60 years, but people are smarter nowadays and most people know whats right. You're right on how death metal doesn't appeal to most people, but there's a pretty good reason why. And if you think music is about energy you should watch a live video of Sum 41 or Yellowcard. They're full of energy. And even though I don't like Dragon force I know that they're not poop. They have crazy guitars and they have improved live.
How can you possibly say that people are smarter now a days when there is a genocide clearly going on in Sudan?
Humanity isn't getting smarter. We're just getting better at hiding our stupidity.
Quote from: Java_Java on November 14, 2008, 10:39:40 PM
How can you possibly say that people are smarter now a days when there is a genocide clearly going on in Sudan?
that's not what I mean. I meant that civilized people are getting more knowledgable. Schools are much more advanced nowadays and people are inventing more things. That nakes it perfectly logical to think that normal people cam whats good and not good. Humans aren't stupid, they're just lazy and inconsiderate about not trashing the earth.
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Quote from: Java_Java on November 14, 2008, 10:39:40 PM
How can you possibly say that people are smarter now a days when there is a genocide clearly going on in Sudan?
that's not what I mean. I meant that civilized people are getting more knowledgable. Schools are much more advanced nowadays and people are inventing more things. That nakes it perfectly logical to think that normal people cam whats good and not good. Humans aren't stupid, they're just lazy and inconsiderate about not trashing the earth.
The fact that Americas epidemic is obesity proves you wrong.
And, honestly, you like intercourse ing Sum 41 and Yellowcard. Post punk poop. You claim to have your own taste in music. Do you have any idea how mainstream those bands are?
Repetitive riffs and whiny voices. And then you say "I criticize other music because it makes me feel good". How narcissistic. Get a intercourse ing clue.
Hypocrisy is fun, isn't it?
Quote from: Beatnik on November 17, 2008, 01:26:35 PM
Hypocrisy is fun, isn't it?
Eh, it's just Tibar is criticizing all he can. I have no problem with people who choose to listen to those bands, but he's calling death metal stupid. A whole genre. Not just that, but he says it's talentless. He then is also criticizing those who listen to pop.
He points out the main stream bands and "talentless" bands are crap. Then he turns around and listens to simple plan. If he's into that fine. Personally, I dislike nasally songs with lyrics aimed at 15 year old girls. And simple plan are a huge band.
I just think criticizing whole genres is pointless.
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Quote from: tibar21 on November 15, 2008, 09:18:31 PM
Quote from: Java_Java on November 14, 2008, 10:39:40 PM
How can you possibly say that people are smarter now a days when there is a genocide clearly going on in Sudan?
that's not what I mean. I meant that civilized people are getting more knowledgable. Schools are much more advanced nowadays and people are inventing more things. That nakes it perfectly logical to think that normal people cam whats good and not good. Humans aren't stupid, they're just lazy and inconsiderate about not trashing the earth.
The fact that Americas epidemic is obesity proves you wrong.
And, honestly, you like f***ing Sum 41 and Yellowcard. Post punk s***. You claim to have your own taste in music. Do you have any idea how mainstream those bands are?
Repetitive riffs and whiny voices. And then you say "I criticize other music because it makes me feel good". How narcissistic. Get a f***ing clue.
now you're the one without a clue. Yellowcard is mainstream pop-punk but Sum 41 isn't; people who actually know them describe them as alternative punk and street metal.According to MetalBot their a mainstream pop band. They were only mainstream in their last album. Just because any band isn't f*ckin death metal doesn't mean that they're mainstream. At least my taste of musice is somewhat diversed, and I like more than one subgenre. I like music from The Killers to hardcore punk like Black Flag and The Dead Kennedys. Then I listen to some bands like Simple Plan, The All-American Rejects, and Yellowcard. Then I listen to all kinds of bands like AFI, Alkaline Trio, Bowling For Soup, blink-182, Green Day, Good Charlotte, The Offspring,
Goldfinger, Jimmy Eat World, Mxpx, NOFX, Pennywise, The Ramones, Smashing Pumpkins, Weezer, so many more, that was just off the top of my head.
I never criticized pop, I just said that that's what most people choose to listen too, because most people don't really have their own taste of music, they just listen to what's on the radio.
Face it death metal is very unpopular because even most musicians think it sucks. that's right. even the people that know music think its attrocious.
its the hardest music out there to play (in terms of guitar/bass and drums), but for whatever reason it doesn't sound good to most music listeners.
And don't tell me that it takes a boatload of talent to scream at the top of your lungs accompinied by instruments. My little brother could be a death metal vocalist. You don't even need a good voice to be a death metal vocalist. If they actually did some decent singing the genre would be pretty good, but then again it wouldn't be death metal, so whatever.
You can listen to whatever music you want, I won't make fun of you for it, but I'll still keep my opinion of the music itself.
Quote from: tibar21 on November 20, 2008, 03:13:05 PM
now you're the one without a clue. Yellowcard is mainstream pop-punk but Sum 41 isn't; people who actually know them describe them as alternative punk and street metal.According to MetalBot their a mainstream pop band. They were only mainstream in their last album. Just because any band isn't f*ckin death metal doesn't mean that they're mainstream. At least my taste of musice is somewhat diversed, and I like more than one subgenre. I like music from The Killers to hardcore punk like Black Flag and The Dead Kennedys. Then I listen to some bands like Simple Plan, The All-American Rejects, and Yellowcard. Then I listen to all kinds of bands like AFI, Alkaline Trio, Bowling For Soup, blink-182, Green Day, Good Charlotte, The Offspring,
Goldfinger, Jimmy Eat World, Mxpx, NOFX, Pennywise, The Ramones, Smashing Pumpkins, Weezer, so many more, that was just off the top of my head.
I never criticized pop, I just said that that's what most people choose to listen too, because most people don't really have their own taste of music, they just listen to what's on the radio.
Face it death metal is very unpopular because even most musicians think it sucks. that's right. even the people that know music think its attrocious.
its the hardest music out there to play (in terms of guitar/bass and drums), but for whatever reason it doesn't sound good to most music listeners.
And don't tell me that it takes a boatload of talent to scream at the top of your lungs accompinied by instruments. My little brother could be a death metal vocalist. You don't even need a good voice to be a death metal vocalist. If they actually did some decent singing the genre would be pretty good, but then again it wouldn't be death metal, so whatever.
You can listen to whatever music you want, I won't make fun of you for it, but I'll still keep my opinion of the music itself.
Well, with your first paragraph, you shot yourself in the foot there. I've heard of all of those bands, and I don't listen to punk... I myself don't even remotely like today's punk music, or at least what my friend listens to, it's just... no.
It's a very unpopular genre of music. And, from most standpoints, although most musicians don't like it, it's hard to say there isn't decent musicianship in there, musical technicality for one, and the entire lack of being mainstream brings the whole "sell-out" thing out of the picture.
For the last paragraph there, you can't bash it until you try it. No matter how good of a death metal singer you think you could be, there are people who are paid to scream. There is very little music in the vocals part, but they have all the trouble of lyrics... and making sure they don't scream themselves out, which is what happened with the Avenged Sevenfold singer, M. Shadows, is it? He experienced vocal troubles due to the screaming, and had to stop, and then they came out with their more recent albums, which are much more mainstream. So there's at least some difficulty there...
And, again, I'm not defending it. I can't stand it myself. I'm just kinda proving exactly how weak your argument here is...
"Face it death metal is very unpopular because even most musicians think it sucks. that's right. even the people that know music think its attrocious.
its the hardest music out there to play (in terms of guitar/bass and drums), but for whatever reason it doesn't sound good to most music listeners."
D:
Nice imaginary figures there pal.
How bout I go off and say that every person on the planet thinks Blink-182 sucks ass?
Not a valid argument eh?
Criticizing music is almost as laughable as defending it.
For God's sake if you think its bad, drop it.
But If there are still songs being made, then the genre does not suck.
It just doesn't appeal to you... it obviously appeals to someone though. D:
And really, take no offense when I say all the bands you mentioned are either sell-outs, pansies, or flat out music killers.
I half expected Jonas Brothers to be in there...
Really, you should commend Death Metal bands... at least we know they are in it for love of the music and not the money or fame...
Quote from: tibar21 on November 20, 2008, 03:13:05 PM
Quote from: Metalbott on November 16, 2008, 01:12:20 PM
Quote from: tibar21 on November 15, 2008, 09:18:31 PM
Quote from: Java_Java on November 14, 2008, 10:39:40 PM
How can you possibly say that people are smarter now a days when there is a genocide clearly going on in Sudan?
that's not what I mean. I meant that civilized people are getting more knowledgable. Schools are much more advanced nowadays and people are inventing more things. That nakes it perfectly logical to think that normal people cam whats good and not good. Humans aren't stupid, they're just lazy and inconsiderate about not trashing the earth.
The fact that Americas epidemic is obesity proves you wrong.
And, honestly, you like f***ing Sum 41 and Yellowcard. Post punk s***. You claim to have your own taste in music. Do you have any idea how mainstream those bands are?
Repetitive riffs and whiny voices. And then you say "I criticize other music because it makes me feel good". How narcissistic. Get a f***ing clue.
now you're the one without a clue. Yellowcard is mainstream pop-punk but Sum 41 isn't; people who actually know them describe them as alternative punk and street metal.According to MetalBot their a mainstream pop band. They were only mainstream in their last album. Just because any band isn't f*ckin death metal doesn't mean that they're mainstream. At least my taste of musice is somewhat diversed, and I like more than one subgenre. I like music from The Killers to hardcore punk like Black Flag and The Dead Kennedys. Then I listen to some bands like Simple Plan, The All-American Rejects, and Yellowcard. Then I listen to all kinds of bands like AFI, Alkaline Trio, Bowling For Soup, blink-182, Green Day, Good Charlotte, The Offspring,
Goldfinger, Jimmy Eat World, Mxpx, NOFX, Pennywise, The Ramones, Smashing Pumpkins, Weezer, so many more, that was just off the top of my head.
I never criticized pop, I just said that that's what most people choose to listen too, because most people don't really have their own taste of music, they just listen to what's on the radio.
Face it death metal is very unpopular because even most musicians think it sucks. that's right. even the people that know music think its attrocious.
its the hardest music out there to play (in terms of guitar/bass and drums), but for whatever reason it doesn't sound good to most music listeners.
And don't tell me that it takes a boatload of talent to scream at the top of your lungs accompinied by instruments. My little brother could be a death metal vocalist. You don't even need a good voice to be a death metal vocalist. If they actually did some decent singing the genre would be pretty good, but then again it wouldn't be death metal, so whatever.
You can listen to whatever music you want, I won't make fun of you for it, but I'll still keep my opinion of the music itself.
Had you listened to any videos I sent you, you would have seen that many death metal vocalists are classically trained, and sing cleanly as well as distorted. I suggest you listen to them...open your mind.
I love many other genres and musicians as well. I know many underground bands that aren't diverse. You jump to the conclusion that I only like death metal? That's a bit laughable. Honestly though, every band you mentioned is very famous.
http://www.last.fm/user/Edible-Teeth
There. Take a look at my profile if you want to see some other favorite bands of mine.
The people who know music? Examples?
For some reason, you seem to think music being unpopular makes it bad. That's a terrible mindset. At least the lower down the charts you go, the more heart you seem to find.
Quote from: HTA on November 20, 2008, 07:52:41 PM
"Face it death metal is very unpopular because even most musicians think it sucks. that's right. even the people that know music think its attrocious.
its the hardest music out there to play (in terms of guitar/bass and drums), but for whatever reason it doesn't sound good to most music listeners."
D:
Nice imaginary figures there pal.
How bout I go off and say that every person on the planet thinks Blink-182 sucks ass?
Not a valid argument eh?
Criticizing music is almost as laughable as defending it.
For God's sake if you think its bad, drop it.
But If there are still songs being made, then the genre does not suck.
It just doesn't appeal to you... it obviously appeals to someone though. D:
And really, take no offense when I say all the bands you mentioned are either sell-outs, pansies, or flat out music killers.
I half expected Jonas Brothers to be in there...
Really, you should commend Death Metal bands... at least we know they are in it for love of the music and not the money or fame...
sure Good Charlotte and AFI are somewhat of sellouts, but pansies and music killers?
And why would you expect the Jonas Brothers to be there fitting in with Dead Kennedys and Black Flag and the Offspring. that was the most retarded statement I've heard in a very long time.
yeah I respect anyone a lot that cares more about the music than the money, but you don't have to prove by playing a genre most people don't like. You could be a pop artist or a rapper and still be in it for the music more than anything else. Obviously there's always going to be bands that sellout but look at Sum 41, when they're on tour they play gigs on most days of the week. Not to mention they're very enthusiastic and get the crowd into it.
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Quote from: HTA on November 20, 2008, 07:52:41 PM
"Face it death metal is very unpopular because even most musicians think it sucks. that's right. even the people that know music think its attrocious.
its the hardest music out there to play (in terms of guitar/bass and drums), but for whatever reason it doesn't sound good to most music listeners."
D:
Nice imaginary figures there pal.
How bout I go off and say that every person on the planet thinks Blink-182 sucks ass?
Not a valid argument eh?
Criticizing music is almost as laughable as defending it.
For God's sake if you think its bad, drop it.
But If there are still songs being made, then the genre does not suck.
It just doesn't appeal to you... it obviously appeals to someone though. D:
And really, take no offense when I say all the bands you mentioned are either sell-outs, pansies, or flat out music killers.
I half expected Jonas Brothers to be in there...
Really, you should commend Death Metal bands... at least we know they are in it for love of the music and not the money or fame...
sure Good Charlotte and AFI are somewhat of sellouts, but pansies and music killers?
And why would you expect the Jonas Brothers to be there fitting in with Dead Kennedys and Black Flag and the Offspring. that was the most retarded statement I've heard in a very long time.
yeah I respect anyone a lot that cares more about the music than the money, but you don't have to prove by playing a genre most people don't like. You could be a pop artist or a rapper and still be in it for the music more than anything else. Obviously there's always going to be bands that sellout but look at Sum 41, when they're on tour they play gigs on most days of the week. Not to mention they're very enthusiastic and get the crowd into it.
WOW. Almost every respectable artist does that.
There not trying to prove anything, there playing what they want.
Blah, blah...
Quote from: Metalbott on December 02, 2008, 09:18:35 PM
Quote from: tibar21 on December 02, 2008, 04:03:15 PM
Quote from: HTA on November 20, 2008, 07:52:41 PM
"Face it death metal is very unpopular because even most musicians think it sucks. that's right. even the people that know music think its attrocious.
its the hardest music out there to play (in terms of guitar/bass and drums), but for whatever reason it doesn't sound good to most music listeners."
D:
Nice imaginary figures there pal.
How bout I go off and say that every person on the planet thinks Blink-182 sucks ass?
Not a valid argument eh?
Criticizing music is almost as laughable as defending it.
For God's sake if you think its bad, drop it.
But If there are still songs being made, then the genre does not suck.
It just doesn't appeal to you... it obviously appeals to someone though. D:
And really, take no offense when I say all the bands you mentioned are either sell-outs, pansies, or flat out music killers.
I half expected Jonas Brothers to be in there...
Really, you should commend Death Metal bands... at least we know they are in it for love of the music and not the money or fame...
sure Good Charlotte and AFI are somewhat of sellouts, but pansies and music killers?
And why would you expect the Jonas Brothers to be there fitting in with Dead Kennedys and Black Flag and the Offspring. that was the most retarded statement I've heard in a very long time.
yeah I respect anyone a lot that cares more about the music than the money, but you don't have to prove by playing a genre most people don't like. You could be a pop artist or a rapper and still be in it for the music more than anything else. Obviously there's always going to be bands that sellout but look at Sum 41, when they're on tour they play gigs on most days of the week. Not to mention they're very enthusiastic and get the crowd into it.
WOW. Almost every respectable artist does that.
There not trying to prove anything, there playing what they want.
Blah, blah...
i mean they usually take only 2 days off during the week on tour.
Quote from: tibar21 on December 09, 2008, 07:31:57 AM
Quote from: Metalbott on December 02, 2008, 09:18:35 PM
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Quote from: HTA on November 20, 2008, 07:52:41 PM
"Face it death metal is very unpopular because even most musicians think it sucks. that's right. even the people that know music think its attrocious.
its the hardest music out there to play (in terms of guitar/bass and drums), but for whatever reason it doesn't sound good to most music listeners."
D:
Nice imaginary figures there pal.
How bout I go off and say that every person on the planet thinks Blink-182 sucks ass?
Not a valid argument eh?
Criticizing music is almost as laughable as defending it.
For God's sake if you think its bad, drop it.
But If there are still songs being made, then the genre does not suck.
It just doesn't appeal to you... it obviously appeals to someone though. D:
And really, take no offense when I say all the bands you mentioned are either sell-outs, pansies, or flat out music killers.
I half expected Jonas Brothers to be in there...
Really, you should commend Death Metal bands... at least we know they are in it for love of the music and not the money or fame...
sure Good Charlotte and AFI are somewhat of sellouts, but pansies and music killers?
And why would you expect the Jonas Brothers to be there fitting in with Dead Kennedys and Black Flag and the Offspring. that was the most retarded statement I've heard in a very long time.
yeah I respect anyone a lot that cares more about the music than the money, but you don't have to prove by playing a genre most people don't like. You could be a pop artist or a rapper and still be in it for the music more than anything else. Obviously there's always going to be bands that sellout but look at Sum 41, when they're on tour they play gigs on most days of the week. Not to mention they're very enthusiastic and get the crowd into it.
WOW. Almost every respectable artist does that.
There not trying to prove anything, there playing what they want.
Blah, blah...
i mean they usually take only 2 days off during the week on tour.
So?
Most death metal bands don't take any.
Whoagh whoagh whoagh, i heard Sum 41 mentioned. Who's dissing my favorite band?
I am, for one. You coudln't pay me to listen to Sum 41.
Also, the word is "whoa."
Quote from: tibar21 on November 20, 2008, 03:13:05 PM
now you're the one without a clue. Yellowcard is mainstream pop-punk but Sum 41 isn't; people who actually know them describe them as alternative punk and street metal. According to MetalBot their a mainstream pop band. They were only mainstream in their last album. Just because any band isn't f*ckin death metal doesn't mean that they're mainstream.
I laughed out loud at this segment. Sum 41 is one of the most generic soft-core punk bands out there, and I haven't ever met somebody older than 15 who thinks they're a decent band. You seem to talk about "people who actually know music" a lot, which I suspect is your attempt of adding validity to your otherwise invalid arguments. Sum 41 has been mainstream practically since the beginning. I love how you pretend that these bands that are listened to by billions of people are somehow unique and individual.
Also, "street metal" is not a real genre.
Quote from: tibar21 on November 20, 2008, 03:13:05 PM
At least my taste of musice is somewhat diversed, and I like more than one subgenre. I like music from The Killers to hardcore punk like Black Flag and The Dead Kennedys. Then I listen to some bands like Simple Plan, The All-American Rejects, and Yellowcard. Then I listen to all kinds of bands like AFI, Alkaline Trio, Bowling For Soup, blink-182, Green Day, Good Charlotte, The Offspring, Goldfinger, Jimmy Eat World, Mxpx, NOFX, Pennywise, The Ramones, Smashing Pumpkins, Weezer, so many more, that was just off the top of my head.
First of all, Diversed is not a word. You say you listen to more than one "sub-genre," but you're still mostly in the same genre. Fuck your assumptions that death metal fans only listen to death metal. If you want an example of eclectic musical taste, I'm a good example. I listen to everything from Beethoven, Atheist; The Mamas and The Papas; Burzum; Richard Wagner; The Kinks; Devo; Billie Holiday; and unline you, bands that nobody here has ever heard of.
Quote from: tibar21 on November 20, 2008, 03:13:05 PM
I never criticized pop, I just said that that's what most people choose to listen too, because most people don't really have their own taste of music, they just listen to what's on the radio.
Good sir, the music you listen to is also radio-friendly sugar coated garbage. You're nobody to judge the people who listen to Coldplay or Beyonce or whatever. Your music is just the same; created soley for profit. Nothing more, nothing less.
Quote from: tibar21 on November 20, 2008, 03:13:05 PM
Face it death metal is very unpopular because even most musicians think it sucks. that's right. even the people that know music think its attrocious.
its the hardest music out there to play (in terms of guitar/bass and drums), but for whatever reason it doesn't sound good to most music listeners.
You're right, most mustic listeners can't stand death metal. Many would rather be trapped in a room with a rabid raccoon. The part you fail to understand is that they're not trying to make most people like them. They're not trying to impress these nonexistant "musicians who know music" you constantly reference. They're trying to play the music they want to play, and in that sense, it is purely art for the sake of art.
Quote from: tibar21 on November 20, 2008, 03:13:05 PM
And don't tell me that it takes a boatload of talent to scream at the top of your lungs accompinied by instruments. My little brother could be a death metal vocalist. You don't even need a good voice to be a death metal vocalist. If they actually did some decent singing the genre would be pretty good, but then again it wouldn't be death metal, so whatever.
If you, your little brother, or anybody else you know can do death metal vocals better than Corpsegrinder from Cannibal Corpse, I will give you the code to a $50 iTunes gift card. I'm not intercourse ing with you. Do it, and it's yours to spend on whatever flavor of the month band you're into this week.
PM me if you're interested.
Quote from: tibar21 on November 20, 2008, 03:13:05 PM
At least my taste of musice is somewhat diversed, and I like more than one subgenre. I like music from The Killers to hardcore punk like Black Flag and The Dead Kennedys. Then I listen to some bands like Simple Plan, The All-American Rejects, and Yellowcard. Then I listen to all kinds of bands like AFI, Alkaline Trio, Bowling For Soup, blink-182, Green Day, Good Charlotte, The Offspring,
Goldfinger, Jimmy Eat World, Mxpx, NOFX, Pennywise, The Ramones, Smashing Pumpkins, Weezer, so many more, that was just off the top of my head.
Uh... that's not a very diverse group of bands. Most of those are pop-punk and alternative.
How can you call Sum 41 mainstream? Besides possibly Fat Lip and In Too Deep, they've barely ever released anything close to Mainstream. Besides, what is Mainstream anyway? If Death Metal was actually LIKED, it would be considered Mainstream as well, but see most people would rather cut their eyes out than listen to that garbage. Without a lyrical value, Music is just sound...and if you can't understand what the people are even "singing" (Or should i say, screaming), then what's the point? Might as well band a bunch of drums together and make as many disturbing noises as possible.
I'm not even saying that I am a huge fan of most of the top music these days, since way too much of it is rap, and the lyrics are garbage...
People like what they like. I can understand why people could like all of the different genres...Except for Death Metal. I mean, seriously?
Wow, you're like a parody of yourself.
Alright, with Tibar I felt like I could have an intelligent debate, but I'm not doing this dance with you untill you can actually make some solid arguments.
Not looking for an argument, just implementing my point of view into the conversation...carry on with the nonsense that you were posting before.
Thank you.
Whoever is insulting the lyrics of any death metal song...
A) Death metal isn't primarily about lyrics
B) Some Death metal bands have great lyrics. In Flames come to mind.
C) Most bands mentioned such as "Sum 41" and "Green day" have lyrics written for 13 year olds girls.
That is that :D
Some death metal bands have really intellligent lyrics. Granted, some are really juvinile and asinine, but some of them are really deep and meaningful. Pretty much every song in Napalm Death's last album was a statement about religion and morality, and bands like Death and Atheist had a lot of political songs.
Quote from: tibar21 on August 22, 2008, 09:44:12 PM
me and Tollhouse came to the conclusion that anyone that actually lisens to that sh*t is very likely to go to hell.
Oh hey vagina cleaning devicebag what's the weather like up your own ass?
prick.
How do you go "Oh hey guys me and my friends think this genre of music sucks and anyone who likes it should be condemned to eternal suffering for their stupidity. What is your opinion on the genre music that we wouldn't waste our piss on?"
Seriously you're what 14?
Quote from: TimeMage on December 11, 2008, 11:57:26 AM
Quote from: tibar21 on August 22, 2008, 09:44:12 PM
me and Tollhouse came to the conclusion that anyone that actually lisens to that sh*t is very likely to go to hell.
Oh hey vagina cleaning devicebag what's the weather like up your own ass?
prick.
How do you go "Oh hey guys me and my friends think this genre of music sucks and anyone who likes it should be condemned to eternal suffering for their stupidity. What is your opinion on the genre music that we wouldn't waste our piss on?"
Seriously you're what 14?
I'm 14 and I'm not THAT stupid concerning other people's opinions. >_>
It's really the vocals... everything else about the music is pretty sweet to me. Amazing riffs, fast-as-hell drumming... I just can't listen to the screaming. xO So that's why I have Dream Theater. <3
Quote from: TimeMage on December 11, 2008, 11:57:26 AM
Quote from: tibar21 on August 22, 2008, 09:44:12 PM
me and Tollhouse came to the conclusion that anyone that actually lisens to that sh*t is very likely to go to hell.
Oh hey d**chebag what's the weather like up your own ass?
prick.
How do you go "Oh hey guys me and my friends think this genre of music sucks and anyone who likes it should be condemned to eternal suffering for their stupidity. What is your opinion on the genre music that we wouldn't waste our piss on?"
Seriously you're what 14?
jeez sorry. i take that back.
Quote from: Metalbott on December 10, 2008, 09:00:30 PM
Whoever is insulting the lyrics of any death metal song...
A) Death metal isn't primarily about lyrics
B) Some Death metal bands have great lyrics. In Flames come to mind.
C) Most bands mentioned such as "Sum 41" and "Green day" have lyrics written for 13 year olds girls.
That is that :D
you have to be absolutely f*ckin kidding me. Sum had a couple songs like that in their last album, but Green Day? Never. If you want to know the true Sum 41 or Green Day you should listen to "The Hell Song" or "St. Jimmy."
Pop punk in general is marketed towards angsty midddle schoolers. As a fan of it, you might not see it, but from the outside it's obvious.
You guys really need to understand that Sum 41 and Green Day are not pop punk. Green Day isn't even punk at all.
Songs that really characterize the bands are (Sum 41: Over My Head (Better Off Dead), Thanks For Nothing, Still Waiting, We're All To Blame, Makes No Difference, The Jester, Underclass Hero, and of course, Fat Lip)
(Green Day: American Idiot, Jesus of Suburbia, Letterbomb, Basketcase, Longview, Welcome to Paradise, and Governator).
Get your genres right.
If you want pop-punk listen to late blink-182 or Yellowcard or Simple Plan who are a few of the best bands in the genre.
Green Day is pop-punk. I actually enjoy some of their music, although American Idiot is pretty much garbage with generic "intercourse society" lyrics and pretty much for middle schoolers only. They were decent in the 90s, although kind of repetitive, and they finally are starting to wear really thin because they lack the musical talent to keep themselves fresh and exciting for 9 albums. Kerplunk, Dookie, Insomniac, and Nimrod were decent, not great, but decent. Anything after that is mediocre at best. And for the record nothing really off their new album could be considered to "characterize" the band at all.
Pop-punk doesn't mean punk at all. It means the band took attributes of punk and made it into a radio-friendly genre.
if you think pop-punk is so radio friendly, go listen to give me one good reason by blink-182. you obviously don't know what ur talking about. the main attribute of punk is sending a political message or at least having rebelling lyrics.. last I check Green Day doesn't really do that. they only have the muted guitars which gives it a punk sound. even Johnny Rotten of the Sex Pistols said that Green Day wasn't punk at all. Green Day is just an alternative rock band.
Quote from: thunderhero4 on August 23, 2008, 12:19:55 AM
Death metal is what emos generally enjoy, and it has to do with hell and all that. Its not even music, its just screaming with abused instruments in the background.
You obviously have NO idea what the intercourse you're talking about.
Quote from: tibar21 on December 15, 2008, 08:25:05 AM
if you think pop-punk is so radio friendly, go listen to give me one good reason by blink-182. you obviously don't know what ur talking about. the main attribute of punk is sending a political message or at least having rebelling lyrics.. last I check Green Day doesn't really do that. they only have the muted guitars which gives it a punk sound. even Johnny Rotten of the Sex Pistols said that Green Day wasn't punk at all. Green Day is just an alternative rock band.
LMFAO LMFAO LMFAO.
Do you have any idea what you're talking about?
Did you not listen to American Idiot?
Hell even the title AMERICAN IDIOT.
How about Holiday?
What about the lyrics in there...
Quote from: Zero on December 15, 2008, 08:32:37 AM
Quote from: thunderhero4 on August 23, 2008, 12:19:55 AM
Death metal is what emos generally enjoy, and it has to do with hell and all that. Its not even music, its just screaming with abused instruments in the background.
You obviously have NO idea what the intercourse you're talking about.
There's an awful lot of that going on in this thread.
Quote from: Beatnik on December 15, 2008, 10:51:23 AM
Quote from: Zero on December 15, 2008, 08:32:37 AM
Quote from: thunderhero4 on August 23, 2008, 12:19:55 AM
Death metal is what emos generally enjoy, and it has to do with hell and all that. Its not even music, its just screaming with abused instruments in the background.
You obviously have NO idea what the f*** you're talking about.
There's an awful lot of that going on in this thread.
You aren't joking
Quote from: Java_Java on December 15, 2008, 09:41:33 AM
Quote from: tibar21 on December 15, 2008, 08:25:05 AM
if you think pop-punk is so radio friendly, go listen to give me one good reason by blink-182. you obviously don't know what ur talking about. the main attribute of punk is sending a political message or at least having rebelling lyrics.. last I check Green Day doesn't really do that. they only have the muted guitars which gives it a punk sound. even Johnny Rotten of the Sex Pistols said that Green Day wasn't punk at all. Green Day is just an alternative rock band.
LMFAO LMFAO LMFAO.
Do you have any idea what you're talking about?
Did you not listen to American Idiot?
Hell even the title AMERICAN IDIOT.
How about Holiday?
What about the lyrics in there...
well this is what Chloroform said:
"And for the record nothing really off their new album could be considered to "characterize" the band at all."
stay out of my argument.
May I ask if you remember what exactly you listened to? The artist(s)?
Chances are it wasn't even death metal.
Quote from: Zero on December 15, 2008, 12:18:23 PM
May I ask if you remember what exactly you listened to? The artist(s)?
Chances are it wasn't even death metal.
a hole bunch of bands with satanic names.
there was also a band called braindrill.
Quote from: tibar21 on December 15, 2008, 12:24:10 PM
Quote from: Zero on December 15, 2008, 12:18:23 PM
May I ask if you remember what exactly you listened to? The artist(s)?
Chances are it wasn't even death metal.
a hole bunch of bands with satanic names.
there was also a band called braindrill.
Death Metal and Satanism don't really coincide. The only one off the top of my head I can think of is Deicide, Morbid Angel maybe, but that's debatable. Either some Black Metal bands were thrown in there or you're mistaking morbidity/vulgarity for satanic imagery. I highly doubt it was the former because Black Metal and iTunes don't get a long very well.
Braindrill? Well there's one. A "hole bunch" more to go.
And even if he was talking about Black Metal, it wouldn't matter. Black Metal is just as legitimate a genre as any other. LIke death metal, much of it is crap, but the smarter bands and artists create some incredibly intricate music.
Well said.
I was just curious as to who exactly he listened to. I suppose it doesn't matter, just bored.
Quote from: Zero on December 15, 2008, 12:32:34 PM
Quote from: tibar21 on December 15, 2008, 12:24:10 PM
Quote from: Zero on December 15, 2008, 12:18:23 PM
May I ask if you remember what exactly you listened to? The artist(s)?
Chances are it wasn't even death metal.
a hole bunch of bands with satanic names.
there was also a band called braindrill.
Death Metal and Satanism don't really coincide. The only one off the top of my head I can think of is Deicide, Morbid Angel maybe, but that's debatable. Either some Black Metal bands were thrown in there or you're mistaking morbidity/vulgarity for satanic imagery. I highly doubt it was the former because Black Metal and iTunes don't get a long very well.
Braindrill? Well there's one. A "hole bunch" more to go.
how can you say death metal and satanism don't coincide.
that's like saying punk and skateboarding don't go together
if you search death metal on the iTunes Store (who catorgorizes their genres pretty well) you'll find hundreds of death metal bands with songs with satanic titles. Even their names are satanic.
Quote from: tibar21 on December 16, 2008, 02:59:06 PM
Quote from: Zero on December 15, 2008, 12:32:34 PM
Quote from: tibar21 on December 15, 2008, 12:24:10 PM
Quote from: Zero on December 15, 2008, 12:18:23 PM
May I ask if you remember what exactly you listened to? The artist(s)?
Chances are it wasn't even death metal.
a hole bunch of bands with satanic names.
there was also a band called braindrill.
Death Metal and Satanism don't really coincide. The only one off the top of my head I can think of is Deicide, Morbid Angel maybe, but that's debatable. Either some Black Metal bands were thrown in there or you're mistaking morbidity/vulgarity for satanic imagery. I highly doubt it was the former because Black Metal and iTunes don't get a long very well.
Braindrill? Well there's one. A "hole bunch" more to go.
how can you say death metal and satanism don't coincide.
that's like saying punk and skateboarding don't go together
if you search death metal on the iTunes Store (who catorgorizes their genres pretty well) you'll find hundreds of death metal bands with songs with satanic titles. Even their names are satanic.
lol
You don't know what you're talking about. Define "satanic". I'm actually referring to lyrical themes and as to whether the bands themselves are satanic, which, most aren't. It's all imagery for the most part. Granted, there are a few bands here and there, but the genre as a whole isn't associated with Satanism.
I guess this makes Iron Maiden satanic cultists.
Really man, think before you speak...
Quote from: HTA on December 16, 2008, 03:39:23 PM
I guess this makes Iron Maiden satanic cultists.
Really man, think before you speak...
And a Death Metal band... try New Wave of English Heavy Metal...
Iron Maiden HAS always been on the darker side of things, though... but that doesn't stop me from liking them. :p
He wasn't calling them a death metal band. He was making the point that Satanic themes don't make you Satanic.
Quote from: tibar21 on December 15, 2008, 08:25:05 AM
if you think pop-punk is so radio friendly, go listen to give me one good reason by blink-182. you obviously don't know what ur talking about. the main attribute of punk is sending a political message or at least having rebelling lyrics.. last I check Green Day doesn't really do that. they only have the muted guitars which gives it a punk sound. even Johnny Rotten of the Sex Pistols said that Green Day wasn't punk at all. Green Day is just an alternative rock band.
I said "POP PUNK ISN'T REALLY PUNK, IT'S JUST BANDS THAT TOOK PUNK ELEMENTS AND MADE IT MORE RADIO FRIENDLY."
And Blink 182 is incredibly radio friendly and mainstream. More so than even Green Day in the 90s. The whole reason it's called "Pop-punk" is because it's POP with PUNK elements. Hence POP PUNK. How can you possibly think that it won't be radio friendly? You seem to act like you have some sort of authority over the classification of music even though you don't know what you're talking about. You should look up some definitions of genres maybe, and possibly even branch out and listen to things outside the pop-punk/alternative genre, before acting like the all knowing music collector with a wide variety of tastes.
Quote from: Chloroform? on December 17, 2008, 04:32:55 PM
Quote from: tibar21 on December 15, 2008, 08:25:05 AM
if you think pop-punk is so radio friendly, go listen to give me one good reason by blink-182. you obviously don't know what ur talking about. the main attribute of punk is sending a political message or at least having rebelling lyrics.. last I check Green Day doesn't really do that. they only have the muted guitars which gives it a punk sound. even Johnny Rotten of the Sex Pistols said that Green Day wasn't punk at all. Green Day is just an alternative rock band.
I said "POP PUNK ISN'T REALLY PUNK, IT'S JUST BANDS THAT TOOK PUNK ELEMENTS AND MADE IT MORE RADIO FRIENDLY."
And Blink 182 is incredibly radio friendly and mainstream. More so than even Green Day in the 90s. The whole reason it's called "Pop-punk" is because it's POP with PUNK elements. Hence POP PUNK. How can you possibly think that it won't be radio friendly? You seem to act like you have some sort of authority over the classification of music even though you don't know what you're talking about. You should look up some definitions of genres maybe, and possibly even branch out and listen to things outside the pop-punk/alternative genre, before acting like the all knowing music collector with a wide variety of tastes.
blink-182 has songs called "f**k a dog, Grandpa is an assehole, happy holidays you bastard, when you f**ked Granpa, and sex with his sister." Just because a band's select group of songs that appeal to mainstream audiences are radio friendly it doesn't tottally classify the genre they play. Overall They're definitely not a "radio friendly band."
You probably only say that they are because you've only heard "All the small things, I miss you," etc.
They're pop punk and in my opinion the best poppunk band, but they have an edge to their music. You probably haven't even heard their early stuff which is a lot better than their later stuff.
there's plenty of punk/alternative bands have not radiofriendly songs like
Green Day- Platypus (I hate you)
Mxpx- Chop Shop
Bowling For Soup- Next Ex-Girlfriend
Green Day-St. Jimmy
Pennywise- F**k Authority
I'm not outside the poppunk/alternative genre?
You have no idea what I listen to. Just going through some of my iTunes
The Adicts, AFI (early stuff), Bad Religion, Bouncing Souls, the Clash, Cockney Rejects, Dead Kennedys, Goldfinger,
NOFX, Pennywise, The Ramones, Screeching Weasel, Sex Pistols, Smashing Pumpkins, Social Distortion, Subhumans,
Vandals, Mad Parade, 7 Seconds, and Welt. Some of the most inventive and creative music out there.
Once again, that's not a very diverse group.
Just because I'm bored, I decided to sort those bands by genre to make my point a little clearer.
Punk rock: The Addicts, Bad Religion The Bouncing Souls, The Clash, Cockney Rejects, Dead Kennedys, Goldfinger, NOFX, Pennywise, The Ramones, Screeching Weasel, Sex Pistols, Social Distortion, Subhumans, Vandals and 7 Seconds.
Other: Smashing Pumpkins and AFI, although AFI has some stuff thats borderline punk.
Couldn't find: Mad Parade and Welt.
It's still pop-punk, it doesn't have the edge that legit punk has because they care about how much money they make too much and cater towards pop culture. I actually listen to/have listened to most of the music you talk about, but you seem to be stuck in the bubble of what you listen to. Just cause a song has a "bad word" doesn't mean it's not directed to the mainstream audience.
Also like Beatnik said, all those bands ARE pop-punk, punk, and alternative. That doesn't mean they're bad, but you can't possibly call yourself someone who branches out and listens to all sorts of genres when you really have like, 3 genres (that are all pretty closely related) worth of taste. Also I laugh at you calling it "the most inventive and creative music out there." I'm not knocking their music or anything, but even they would laugh at someone saying that (except for a few like Green Day who seem to think they're musical geniuses even though over half their songs are made up of three chords).
Quote from: Beatnik on December 18, 2008, 09:17:57 AM
Once again, that's not a very diverse group.
Just because I'm bored, I decided to sort those bands by genre to make my point a little clearer.
Punk rock: The Addicts, Bad Religion The Bouncing Souls, The Clash, Cockney Rejects, Dead Kennedys, Goldfinger, NOFX, Pennywise, The Ramones, Screeching Weasel, Sex Pistols, Social Distortion, Subhumans, Vandals and 7 Seconds.
Other: Smashing Pumpkins and AFI, although AFI has some stuff thats borderline punk.
Couldn't find: Mad Parade and Welt.
I didn't say it was a diversed group of artists. I was making the point that pop-punk/alternative isn't the only stuff I listen to.
Quote from: Chloroform? on December 18, 2008, 11:34:23 AM
It's still pop-punk, it doesn't have the edge that legit punk has because they care about how much money they make too much and cater towards pop culture. I actually listen to/have listened to most of the music you talk about, but you seem to be stuck in the bubble of what you listen to. Just cause a song has a "bad word" doesn't mean it's not directed to the mainstream audience.
Also like Beatnik said, all those bands ARE pop-punk, punk, and alternative. That doesn't mean they're bad, but you can't possibly call yourself someone who branches out and listens to all sorts of genres when you really have like, 3 genres (that are all pretty closely related) worth of taste. Also I laugh at you calling it "the most inventive and creative music out there." I'm not knocking their music or anything, but even they would laugh at someone saying that (except for a few like Green Day who seem to think they're musical geniuses even though over half their songs are made up of three chords).
an F-bomb or two will sometimes stop radio stations from getting certain songs, but its more about what those songs are about. If it has a title like "Sex with his sister" or its about a murderer or something (like Chop Shop by Mxpx) its obviously not radio friendly. and many poppunk/ alternative bands have songs like that. listen to "Please Put This Song on the Radio" by NOFX.
You need to get in your head that poppunk bands don't care too much about the money. they love the fans (at least most of them) and giving them music. You don't need to be in a genre with little chance for success (like death metal) to prove you're in it for the music more than the money.
Absolutely none of those bands I mentioned are poppunk/alternative. Smashing Pumpkins would be the band in that group that's closest to alternative. All of them are absolute punk bands.
Quote from: tibar21 on December 18, 2008, 06:12:23 PM
Quote from: Beatnik on December 18, 2008, 09:17:57 AM
Once again, that's not a very diverse group.
Just because I'm bored, I decided to sort those bands by genre to make my point a little clearer.
Punk rock: The Addicts, Bad Religion The Bouncing Souls, The Clash, Cockney Rejects, Dead Kennedys, Goldfinger, NOFX, Pennywise, The Ramones, Screeching Weasel, Sex Pistols, Social Distortion, Subhumans, Vandals and 7 Seconds.
Other: Smashing Pumpkins and AFI, although AFI has some stuff thats borderline punk.
Couldn't find: Mad Parade and Welt.
I didn't say it was a diversed group of artists. I was making the point that pop-punk/alternative isn't the only stuff I listen to.
Alright, so you don't listen to two genres. You listen to three. Wow man, you really showed us.
Quote from: Beatnik on December 17, 2008, 04:07:38 PM
He wasn't calling them a death metal band. He was making the point that Satanic themes don't make you Satanic.
Sarcasm, it was. You have to watch that. It's very hard to catch. :p
There's little to add to this except that if this is some sort of an argument, tibar is getting his ass handed to him. :x
Quote from: tibar21 on December 17, 2008, 07:46:02 PM
Quote from: Chloroform? on December 17, 2008, 04:32:55 PM
Quote from: tibar21 on December 15, 2008, 08:25:05 AM
if you think pop-punk is so radio friendly, go listen to give me one good reason by blink-182. you obviously don't know what ur talking about. the main attribute of punk is sending a political message or at least having rebelling lyrics.. last I check Green Day doesn't really do that. they only have the muted guitars which gives it a punk sound. even Johnny Rotten of the Sex Pistols said that Green Day wasn't punk at all. Green Day is just an alternative rock band.
I said "POP PUNK ISN'T REALLY PUNK, IT'S JUST BANDS THAT TOOK PUNK ELEMENTS AND MADE IT MORE RADIO FRIENDLY."
And Blink 182 is incredibly radio friendly and mainstream. More so than even Green Day in the 90s. The whole reason it's called "Pop-punk" is because it's POP with PUNK elements. Hence POP PUNK. How can you possibly think that it won't be radio friendly? You seem to act like you have some sort of authority over the classification of music even though you don't know what you're talking about. You should look up some definitions of genres maybe, and possibly even branch out and listen to things outside the pop-punk/alternative genre, before acting like the all knowing music collector with a wide variety of tastes.
blink-182 has songs called "f**k a dog, Grandpa is an assehole, happy holidays you bastard, when you f**ked Granpa, and sex with his sister." Just because a band's select group of songs that appeal to mainstream audiences are radio friendly it doesn't tottally classify the genre they play. Overall They're definitely not a "radio friendly band."
You probably only say that they are because you've only heard "All the small things, I miss you," etc.
They're pop punk and in my opinion the best poppunk band, but they have an edge to their music. You probably haven't even heard their early stuff which is a lot better than their later stuff.
there's plenty of punk/alternative bands have not radiofriendly songs like
Green Day- Platypus (I hate you)
Mxpx- Chop Shop
Bowling For Soup- Next Ex-Girlfriend
Green Day-St. Jimmy
Pennywise- F**k Authority
I'm not outside the poppunk/alternative genre?
You have no idea what I listen to. Just going through some of my iTunes
The Adicts, AFI (early stuff), Bad Religion, Bouncing Souls, the Clash, Cockney Rejects, Dead Kennedys, Goldfinger,
NOFX, Pennywise, The Ramones, Screeching Weasel, Sex Pistols, Smashing Pumpkins, Social Distortion, Subhumans,
Vandals, Mad Parade, 7 Seconds, and Welt. Some of the most inventive and creative music out there.
Open your mind. It's amazing that you think that's some of the most creative music. Don't listen to death metal if you dont like it, but hell, your closing yourself up from the amazing world of real music out there.
I was born with that taste of music and I've never liked anything else. I've tries just about everything, but no.
And one genre is a big difference in someone's musical taste. what if I started listening to hip hop? people would view my musical taste really differently. And it doesn't matter if the genres are similar to eachother or not.
Listening to one genre isn't a bad thing. It shows more commitment to that genre. I think like that because my music means a lot more to me than most other people.
I looked at your profile. Even within the genres you like, it seems that you mostly stick to the more popular bands, rather than searching a little harder for more obscure ones who haven't sacrificed their uniqueness in order to cater to a wider audience. You're not dedicated to the genre, you're trapped in it.
I'm not talking out of my ass, I know how it works because I used to be just like you. Listening to the music that was easy to find, thinking I was special for listening to bands that have millions of other fans, basically swallowing anything the so called non-conformist subculture spat out at me. Fortunately I grew out of it. I hope you will too.
I've said all that I can say in this debate, and I'm prety sure I'm done with it. If somebody doesn't want to listen to death metal, that's their prerogative, but making a thread about how much you think it sucks is another matter. That's all I have to say. Thanks for the debate.
Edit: I was grumpy when I wrote that. Don't take it too seriously.
Edit2: When I say "grumpy," what I really mean is when I was on a low (I'm bipolar) and I pretty much hated everyone on the planet. I'm over it now.
I am dedicated to the genre. There's almost always a good reason why the band is popular. They're usually more qualified or talented than obscure.
Actually a lot of popular music is only popular because the record companies get radio stations and MTV to play the music constantly so that as many people as possible can get to download it either because they found it catchy or because they feel like they need to keep up with the popular trends. It USED to be so that popular bands were also some of the best bands (back in like, the 70s) but somehow that changed. Nowadays most of the talented bands and musicians are less noticed than the simple music by numbers crap that are publicized so much. This is a generalization of course, cause there are plenty of famous bands that are deserving, but the ratio has definitely shifted.
Also why would you want to dedicate yourself to only one genre? There's so much out there to listen to and discover.
That's like somebody who only eats one food. That's not dedication, it's immaturity.
Quote from: Beatnik on December 23, 2008, 09:39:47 PM
That's like somebody who only eats one food. That's not dedication, it's immaturity.
And vitamin deficiency.
Fortunately, unlike malnutrition, being musically unadventurous doesn't make your liver shrivel up.
It just makes you boring.
Quote from: Chloroform? on December 23, 2008, 02:11:57 PM
Actually a lot of popular music is only popular because the record companies get radio stations and MTV to play the music constantly so that as many people as possible can get to download it either because they found it catchy or because they feel like they need to keep up with the popular trends. It USED to be so that popular bands were also some of the best bands (back in like, the 70s) but somehow that changed. Nowadays most of the talented bands and musicians are less noticed than the simple music by numbers crap that are publicized so much. This is a generalization of course, cause there are plenty of famous bands that are deserving, but the ratio has definitely shifted.
Also why would you want to dedicate yourself to only one genre? There's so much out there to listen to and discover.
I understand that. That's generally why bands I like within the punk/alternative genre don't see much time on the radiostation that almost everybody listens to. Do you actually think that someone who likes punk will also like pop or rap or folk or classical? Punk is often for people that don't care for any other stlye of music that's too far away from it.
Quote from: tibar21 on December 26, 2008, 05:03:25 PM
Quote from: Chloroform? on December 23, 2008, 02:11:57 PM
Actually a lot of popular music is only popular because the record companies get radio stations and MTV to play the music constantly so that as many people as possible can get to download it either because they found it catchy or because they feel like they need to keep up with the popular trends. It USED to be so that popular bands were also some of the best bands (back in like, the 70s) but somehow that changed. Nowadays most of the talented bands and musicians are less noticed than the simple music by numbers crap that are publicized so much. This is a generalization of course, cause there are plenty of famous bands that are deserving, but the ratio has definitely shifted.
Also why would you want to dedicate yourself to only one genre? There's so much out there to listen to and discover.
I understand that. That's generally why bands I like within the punk/alternative genre don't see much time on the radiostation that almost everybody listens to. Do you actually think that someone who likes punk will also like pop or rap or folk or classical? Punk is often for people that don't care for any other stlye of music that's too far away from it.
Then that's still narrow-minded. Again, shot yourself in the foot. I mainly listen to metal or progressive rock/metal, but I highly enjoy classic rock and orchestrated or symphonic music. There's no set rule that says "people who like *genre* only listen to *genre* because they're too *adjective*." =\
Quote from: metroidhunter777 on December 26, 2008, 05:48:54 PM
Quote from: tibar21 on December 26, 2008, 05:03:25 PM
Quote from: Chloroform? on December 23, 2008, 02:11:57 PM
Actually a lot of popular music is only popular because the record companies get radio stations and MTV to play the music constantly so that as many people as possible can get to download it either because they found it catchy or because they feel like they need to keep up with the popular trends. It USED to be so that popular bands were also some of the best bands (back in like, the 70s) but somehow that changed. Nowadays most of the talented bands and musicians are less noticed than the simple music by numbers crap that are publicized so much. This is a generalization of course, cause there are plenty of famous bands that are deserving, but the ratio has definitely shifted.
Also why would you want to dedicate yourself to only one genre? There's so much out there to listen to and discover.
I understand that. That's generally why bands I like within the punk/alternative genre don't see much time on the radiostation that almost everybody listens to. Do you actually think that someone who likes punk will also like pop or rap or folk or classical? Punk is often for people that don't care for any other stlye of music that's too far away from it.
Then that's still narrow-minded. Again, shot yourself in the foot. I mainly listen to metal or progressive rock/metal, but I highly enjoy classic rock and orchestrated or symphonic music. There's no set rule that says "people who like *genre* only listen to *genre* because they're too *adjective*." =\
Hey, what's this? I listen to anything from Rock to Salsa to Hip-Hop to Disco to R&B to Alternative to Reggaeton to anything as long as it sounds good to my ears.
Quote from: thunderhero4 on August 23, 2008, 12:19:55 AM
2 worst forms of music: Rap and Death Metal.
Death metal is what emos generally enjoy, and it has to do with hell and all that. Its not even music, its just screaming with abused instruments in the background.
Rap is what gangsters generally enjoy. It talks about death and killing, as well as gang banging and slutty women. It uses the words "intercourse " and "n_gger" alot, and I disapprove. Its also not even music, just fancy talking with a beat to it.
You fail at stereotypes and the knowledge of music.
Quote from: `Matt` on December 27, 2008, 03:51:46 AM
Quote from: thunderhero4 on August 23, 2008, 12:19:55 AM
2 worst forms of music: Rap and Death Metal.
Death metal is what emos generally enjoy, and it has to do with hell and all that. Its not even music, its just screaming with abused instruments in the background.
Rap is what gangsters generally enjoy. It talks about death and killing, as well as gang banging and slutty women. It uses the words "f***" and "negro" alot, and I disapprove. Its also not even music, just fancy talking with a beat to it.
You fail at stereotypes and the knowledge of music.
There's no point in replying to him, he doesn't come here anymore.
Death Metal...
I can respect it, but I'm still going to avoid it like a plague >_<
Now Power Metal on the other hand....
Amazing (except for DragonForce, they're just good, not amazing) Bands like Sonata Arctica, Kamelot, Stratovarius, Rhapsody of Fire, Dragonland, etc.
There are some really great power metal bands. It's probably the most widely appealing subgenre of metal, friends of mine who can't stand 90% of metal can even enjoy power metal.
There is more to rap than meets the eye as well...
Some is total poop,I'll give you that.
But there are a few artists that have some serious musical talent...
Quote from: HTA on December 28, 2008, 04:53:26 PM
There is more to rap than meets the eye as well...
Some is total s***,I'll give you that.
But there are a few artists that have some serious musical talent...
I can agree with that.
Take Fort Minor for instance. They don't have songs about sex drugs and women.
Quote from: HTA on December 28, 2008, 04:53:26 PM
There is more to rap than meets the eye as well...
Some is total poop,I'll give you that.
But there are a few artists that have some serious musical talent...
I think the most talented rapper of all time is Soulja Boy.
Quote from: Beatnik on December 30, 2008, 07:25:47 PM
Quote from: HTA on December 28, 2008, 04:53:26 PM
There is more to rap than meets the eye as well...
Some is total s***,I'll give you that.
But there are a few artists that have some serious musical talent...
I think the most talented rapper of all time is Soulja Boy.
You deserve a kick in the nuts for that.
You're wrong, Soulja Boy is the best rapper on the planet.
Quote from: Beatnik on January 02, 2009, 08:01:36 PM
You're wrong, Soulja Boy is the best rapper on the planet.
Ok, now you deserve to be raped.
Soulja Boy will protect me.
I'm not really into any type of mental. I more into ska. Bands like Streetlight Manifesto, Real Big Fish, MustardPlug, and the AquaBats. It kinda of shame that ska isn't mainstream yet.
Quote from: Beatnik on January 02, 2009, 08:55:41 PM
Soulja Boy will protect me.
I agree. He pwns at Halo.
Quote from: RevolutionSoldier on January 03, 2009, 05:09:47 PM
I'm not really into any type of mental. I more into ska. Bands like Streetlight Manifesto, Real Big Fish, MustardPlug, and the AquaBats. It kinda of shame that ska isn't mainstream yet.
Ska's been in and out of the mainstream several times.
Quote from: RevolutionSoldier on January 03, 2009, 05:09:47 PM
I'm not really into any type of mental.
Mental music. XD
I'm sure that sounds interesting.
Quote from: Zero on January 03, 2009, 08:08:26 PM
Quote from: RevolutionSoldier on January 03, 2009, 05:09:47 PM
I'm not really into any type of mental. I more into ska. Bands like Streetlight Manifesto, Real Big Fish, MustardPlug, and the AquaBats. It kinda of shame that ska isn't mainstream yet.
Ska's been in and out of the mainstream several times.
I did not know that. I only been into ska for a little less than a year. I assumed it not mainstream because when ever I bring it up the only people who herd of it were in my circle of friends who introduced it to me in the first place.
Quote from: RevolutionSoldier on January 03, 2009, 10:37:36 PM
Quote from: Zero on January 03, 2009, 08:08:26 PM
Quote from: RevolutionSoldier on January 03, 2009, 05:09:47 PM
I'm not really into any type of mental. I more into ska. Bands like Streetlight Manifesto, Real Big Fish, MustardPlug, and the AquaBats. It kinda of shame that ska isn't mainstream yet.
Ska's been in and out of the mainstream several times.
I did not know that. I only been into ska for a little less than a year. I assumed it not mainstream because when ever I bring it up the only people who herd of it were in my circle of friends who introduced it to me in the first place.
The more you know
There's always a little ska in bands like NOFX and Goldfinger. I don't really like anymore of it though.
I thought of a mataphor for this death metal thing.
Death metal is like really spicy food. You either like it or you don't, and if you don't like it you can't understand how anybody could enjoy it. If you don't like spicy food, it's very easy to just say "spicy food is bad," because you don't understand the appeal. Unless you like it, it just won't make sense to you, and that's all there is to it.
Quote from: Beatnik on January 09, 2009, 10:50:02 AM
I thought of a mataphor for this death metal thing.
Death metal is like really spicy food. You either like it or you don't, and if you don't like it you can't understand how anybody could enjoy it. If you don't like spicy food, it's very easy to just say "spicy food is bad," because you don't understand the appeal. Unless you like it, it just won't make sense to you, and that's all there is to it.
true but you could say that about a lot of other genres too. I love spicy food.
It does apply to a lot of genres, but death metal especially.
I love Grindcore, Hardcore, those type of things.
ex. Bring Me The Horizon, Norma Jean, iwrestledabearonce
I don't know if I would classify any of those as Death Metal though.
No, not really death metal. Death metal influenced, maybe.
This thread is still alive? :-X
So it seems. The main argument seems to have died though.
Quote from: darkmariov2 on January 22, 2009, 03:47:37 PM
I love Grindcore, Hardcore, those type of things.
ex. Bring Me The Horizon, Norma Jean, iwrestledabearonce
I don't know if I would classify any of those as Death Metal though.
oh, Grindcore is good. It reminds me sometimes of industrial breakcore.
A lot of it is crap though.
Quote from: Beatnik on January 28, 2009, 03:35:16 PM
A lot of it is crap though.
Agreed
In addition, most bands that label themselves as "grindcore" aren't really grindcore. It's amazing how young musicians don't even know what music they're playing and creating.