While looking at IGN, one of their many inherently pointless lists caught my eye. They decided to rank Pixar's films since their inception.
Well, here's their list (you can head to their site to read as to why this order):
9. Cars
8. Monsters Inc.
7. A Bug's Life
6. Ratatoullie
5. Finding Nemo
4. The Incredibles
3. Toy Story 2
2. Wall-E
1. Toy Story
Now, I'll have my order as to why.
9. Cars - Seriously, even George Lucas on the best writing day of his life, Stephen Speilberg on the best directing day of his life, and the best John William's score ever couldn't make Nascar interesting. Not to mention it's way too kiddy, and the whole "winning isn't everything" moral is so overdone, cliche'd and kind of stupid considering every time Pixar makes a movie the academy might as well just hand them the oscar.
8. Finding Nemo - Basically because nothing really happens. Nemo get captured, his father walks (swims) around to get him back. Story is so bare bones it's quite snoozeworthy. Although, I did like the side characters, and frankly no one has made underwater look so refreshing.
7. Ratatoullie - Another idea that has been done before (can't name the cartoon, but I KNOW it's been done before), few laughs, but I can at least tell they tried.
6. Monster's Inc. - Boring characters and no real plot until the end makes this movie another dud in my opinion. Not to mention an old Nickelodean cartoon "Ahhh! Real Monsters!" did this concept a million times better back in the early 90's, with better visuals to boot. At least the monsters had some good designs and it had a couple of good laughs.
5. A Bug's Life - While boring at parts, it is a decent enough idea to where the writers and designers could be creative enough to have fun with it. While the ultimate problem is quite trivial it at least get's the fact that it's an actual problem across. Just some flat performances and some boring scenes holds it down a bit.
4. Wall-E - A visually appealing and nice story. I also like the lack of voice work (mostly). Although an all silent film would have been a more interesting film (well, from a film student's perspective anyway), it is a good idea for the design of the film. Although, frankly the whole "robots having human emotions" has been going on a LONG time (hell, even Metropolis issued this to a certain extent). Like most Pixar films, overrated as all hell, but it at least deserves praise.
3. Toy Story 2 - Pretty much the ONLY good sequel to a Disney movie ever made (although I pray there never be a Toy Story 3), it just feels like a continuation of the previous story. Good movie, good laughs, just not as good characters or growth of the first film.
2. Toy Story - I remember seeing this in theaters when it came out in '95, and like everyone being blown away. Wonderful idea, characters who are actually developed (looks at all non-Pixar Disney ANYTHING since the "renaissance" of the 90's besides Lion King **which btw, is a Kimba the White Lion copy...had to say it**). Not to mention with toys you could easily do anything you want and it'll still be plausible. Only problem is that the moral is a little corny as you get older, but a perfect kids film, and still enjoyable regardless. Not to mention the look (despite it's age) is still wonderful.
1. The Incredibles - In my opinion, EASILY Pixar's best film (IGN, Wall-E can go suck it if you think that movie is better than the Incredible's). Also the deepest in terms of satire, and character development. Great caricature look, and humor of the usual superhero cliche's ( "You caught me monologueing!" ), not to mention probably the most challenging of subject matter in terms of anything Pixar is willing to go into. I still enjoy this movie even today.
Obviously I'm going to ask you what your list is, and why. So go ahead with that. Also, what is your opinion of Pixar as a whole? I think they're an above average animation company, that is unfortunately shackled to the evil heartless Disney corporation. This means that they'll always be stuck making kids movies, with little to no attempt to make any really challenging or deep material (sure Incredibles and Toy Story were great, but honestly, Batman the Animated series had LOTS more depth). I do give them credit when they deserve it though. Not to mention besides Shrek (which is STILL overrated) no studio has produced anything even remotely decent in the CGI department. I just want to see if they'll ever get to try even ONE more mature film, they deserve the shot. I'd love to see them try, but I doubt that'll ever happen.
To me, only two Pixar films fail to live up to being animation masterpieces, Cars and A Bugs Life.
Cars was just an odd departure, and describing a post I saw on a movie board when it came out; "You know how when you get straight A's on everything but one time you get a B- and you're disappointed but you're still satisfied with it? That's what this movie is like."
A Bugs Life...I don't know, I don't think it has aged well. Hopefully the newer movies are better, here's the release schedule for the next few years:
2009: Up (Can't wait to see it)
2010: Toy Story 3 (Hope this one is good...)
2011: Cars 2 (The sequel to my least favorite Pixar movie. Could be good, I guess)
2011: The Bear and the Bow (Partially based on an old Irish fairytale)
2012: Newt (Honestly wish this was coming out next year, has the most interesting premise)
Quote from: Tupin on May 26, 2009, 05:57:47 PM
To me, only two Pixar films fail to live up to being animation masterpieces, Cars and A Bugs Life.
Cars was just an odd departure, and describing a post I saw on a movie board when it came out; "You know how when you get straight A's on everything but one time you get a B- and you're disappointed but you're still satisfied with it? That's what this movie is like."
A Bugs Life...I don't know, I don't think it has aged well. Hopefully the newer movies are better, here's the release schedule for the next few years:
2009: Up (Can't wait to see it)
2010: Toy Story 3 (Hope this one is good...)
2011: Cars 2 (The sequel to my least favorite Pixar movie. Could be good, I guess)
2011: The Bear and the Bow (Partially based on an old Irish fairytale)
2012: Newt (Honestly wish this was coming out next year, has the most interesting premise)
Up - been done but could be interesting, not to mention nothing else this summer looks even remotely good (Star Trek I hear was "meh" but nothing on Iron Man or Dark Knight's scale)
Toy Story 3 - for the love of god why won't people LEAVE A GOOD THING ALONE. Disney got BEYOND lucky for 2.
Cars 2 - for the love of god no! I don't care how much Nascar is paying you guys, it's not worth it.
The Bear and the Bow - I thought Disney got over the fairytale stuff in the early 90's. Could be good, but all fairytale movies have the potential to be boring kiddy-fests.
Newt - never heard of....what's it about?
Newt's premise, as explained by Wikipedia:
QuoteNewt and Brooke live in a community college science lab and don't care for each other, yet as the last remaining blue-footed newts on the planet they are forced to mate and save the species.
Like I said, interesting premise.
Quote from: Tupin on May 26, 2009, 06:27:45 PM
Newt's premise, as explained by Wikipedia:
Like I said, interesting premise.
and since it's Disney the whole "mating" thing will probably get overlooked.
But yes, sounds very intriguing. I pray Disney doesn't screw it up by placing needless "boundaries" on it.
I still demand a story about a clown and a mime teaming up for whatever reason. I mean common that stuff practically writes itself (or a captain Marvel movie. Seriously how does that guy not have a movie?!)
Eh, the list seems fine. I do agree that the Incredibles is one of their best, but I fell in love with Monsters Inc. It was fresh and original, and it just offered something the other don't. I don't quite recall what, but it has a spark to it. Easily one of my favorite movies.
In terms of the company itself, it does feel like it has gone downhill. Very far down. Perhaps my issue is the animation style in general. Not a fan of the looks of things like "Up" at all. Hell, Wall-E mad me off. Furthermore, I think the creative departments have just gotten dumber over the years. The concepts seem less and less appealing, and we're seeing sequels before new properties. Pah!
Monster's Inc needs to be higher, as do the Incredibles.
Toy Story is easily the most epic Pixar film ever.
And Wall-E needs to be farther down.
9. Cars
8. WALL-E
7. Ratatouille
6. A Bug's Life
5. Toy Story 2
4. Finding Nemo
3. Toy Story
2. Monsters, Inc.
1. The Incredibles
It's hard for me to give reasons, this is just the way I feel about it.
9. Finding Nemo
8. Ratatouille
7. A Bug's Life
6. Toy Story 2
5. Cars
4. Monsters, Inc.
3. Toy Story
2. The Incredible
1. WALL-E
Yeah don't ask me why I just like them in this order.
Hey Nayr, everything has been done before.
There is no such thing as an original idea, just those that are more interesting than their predecessors.
I have 2 rankings-
A+ Bug's Life, Toy Story 1-2, Monster's Inc, Incredibles, Ratatouille
B All others
Didn't like Wall-E, loved Cars but it isn't in the same caliber as those above, and Nemo bored me.
Well, I might as well re-order the list to my liking. Not going to add reasons to why, as they aren't needed seeing this going to my ranking of them and only I need to know why.
9. Ratatoullie
8. Toy Story 2
7. Wall-E
6. Cars
5. Monsters Inc.
4. The Incredibles
3. Finding Nemo
2. A Bug's Life
1. Toy Story
I will say that I am not fond of the way I listed these, seeing I liked all of them... only thing I agree with on the list is Rataoullie being last. Out of all them it wasn't as entertaining compared to such a incredible film as "The Incredibles".
I've been fond of all of Pixar's movies, save Cars. (also, I haven't watched Wall-E) Not sure if I can make a list of favorites.
Teaser for Toy Story 3. Disney... leave a good thing alone. I mean honestly, you're worse than George Lucas when it comes to sequels to older properties. and thats pretty darn pathetic.
And it's in 3D... not joy. Seriously, will that gimmick please go away?
But still, it looks better than most of Pixar's recent romps.
Quote from: Nayrman on May 29, 2009, 05:21:00 PM
Teaser for Toy Story 3. Disney... leave a good thing alone. I mean honestly, you're worse than George Lucas when it comes to sequels to older properties. and thats pretty darn pathetic.
And it's in 3D... not joy. Seriously, will that gimmick please go away?
But still, it looks better than most of Pixar's recent romps.
THIS BETTER BE GOOD.
Seriously, Disney better not be raping this franchise for a quick buck. They better put a poop load of effort into it.
Toy Story 1 & 2 are some of my favorite movies of all time.
*looks at every sequel Disney has EVER made not named Toy Story 2*
Yea... sad to say this is probably just a quick buck no effort will be put into... ;_;
I haven't seen Cars, Ratatoullie, or Wall-E
1. Toy Story
2. Toy Story 2
3. Monsters Inc.
4. A Bug's Life
5. Finding Nemo
6. The Incredibles
I just didn't find The Incredibles to be funny......at all.
I have to say, I really enjoyed Up. :)
Quote from: Java on May 30, 2009, 07:50:28 PM
I have to say, I really enjoyed Up. :)
I'm seeing it tomorrow. Due to how much I loved WALL-E, I'm setting my expectations extraordinarily low. Still, I have heard many rave reviews of it...
Yeah I actually just got back from a date to see Up.
It was definitely up there on my list of favorites by Pixar.
One thing I have to ask is, Where is Meet the Robinsins?
I actually loved that movie. I almost forgot about it, but it was an awesome movie.
Was that a pixar thing?
Wow, Up was pretty good, one of the best. Still not as good as WALL-E, but they can't really be compared.
I really liked Wall-E, monsters inc, and bugs life. Toy story is a classic, and i haven't seen ratatouille
I've finally decided to do my rankings.
I'm a pretty big fan of Pixar's and I can actually say that I have enjoyed the nine movies that I have watched of theirs and I have no doubt in my mind that I will enjoy the last movie of theirs that I still need to watch.
Well here goes nothing:
9. Cars
8. A Bug's Life
7. Monster's Inc.
6. The Incredibles
5. Toy Story 2
4. Ratatouille
3. Up
2. Finding Nemo
1. Toy Story
NOTE: I have yet to see WALL-E and I hope to see it soon. I'll edit it when I've seen it.
Finding Nemo > The Incredibles
I haven't seen Wall-E yet :(
Here is Moviefone's Reader's Choice Poll, which I find to be kinda ridiculous.
10. A Bug's Life
9. Toy Story 2. (Should be ranked higher)
8. Ratatouille
7. Up (WTF? It's easily one of the Top 5)
6. Cars (Definitely shouldn't have ranked that high)
5. WALL-E
4. The Incredibles
3. Monster's Inc. (IMO, doesn't deserve to be ranked that high)
2. Toy Story
1. Finding Nemo (I know that people loved Nemo, but IMO, I think it 1. & 2. should switch)
I didn't see Cars... But I just saw Up last weekend, so I'll incorporate that into my list.
9. Toy Story 2 - I know I saw it, but the memory of it has pretty much left me. It obviously wasn't good enough to be recalled to my attention at any mention of it.
8. Monsters Inc. - I just really didn't like it... It's been a while, all I remember from this movie is not liking it.
7. Ratatoullie - Yeah... Didn't like the premise or how it ended. And how does pulling someone's hair control them?
6. A Bug's Life - Cute movie and all, but just doesn't have enough to get it a better ranking on this list.
5. Finding Nemo - Funny, but once again there are plenty of films that surpass it.
4. Toy Story - This must have been the first Pixar movie I saw, and it'll always hold a special place in my heart.
3. Wall-E - Honestly, I barely noticed that there was no talking in the first half hour or whatever it was. It was an overall touching film, although I'll never know how they fit the entire world on that ship or got them back off (or was it just the people in America? Either way, that's a lot of people to account for).
2. The Incredibles - This movie was my favorite movie for a while when I was younger. I just like the premise of super heroes in general, and I enjoyed the humorous mention of super hero clichés (the capes, monologues, etc).
1. Up - It was funny, had a talking version of one of my favorite animals, and its new. I'll be honest, this is probably number one because it's fresh in my mind and I just saw it. But either way, it deserves to be on this list.
Sorry the comments on why are a bit lazy. I'm multitasking and my mind is pretty much shot from the end of school cramming.
1. The Incredibles
2. Wall-E
3. Toy Story
4. Toy Story 2
5. Monster's Inc.
6. A Bug's Life
7. Finding Nemo
8. Cars
Haven't seen Ratatouille, Meet The Robinsons (Probably won't ever), or Up (WANT).
Quote from: Mystic on June 14, 2009, 09:06:50 PM
Haven't seen Ratatouille, Meet The Robinsons (Probably won't ever), or Up (WANT).
Meet the Robinsons isn't Pixar. Only Disney.
Quote from: Java on June 15, 2009, 01:48:13 PM
Meet the Robinsons isn't Pixar. Only Disney.
No wonder it was bad...
Quote from: Nayrman on June 15, 2009, 02:20:19 PM
No wonder it was bad...
I never saw it and don't really know much about it, so I don't have an opinion on it.
Quote from: Java on June 15, 2009, 03:52:51 PM
I never saw it and don't really know much about it, so I don't have an opinion on it.
Nearly every joke fell flat since they were all incredibly predictable. And once again it proves to me Disney on their own hasn't made anything of worth since the Lion King in 1995. (not counting Pixar... I refuse to dump Pixar with those hacks)
Pocahontas, The Hunchback of Notre Dame, Hercules, Mulan, Tarzan, Atlantis, Lilo & Stitch, and Treasure Planet. None of those are good? All came out between 1995 and 2002, all were made by Disney.
2002 was the last year of great non-CGI Disney films. After Treasure Planet bombed, they basically gave up on it, save for Brother Bear and Home on the Range. (Which were mediocre compared to the above list, I might add)
This year, The Princess and the Frog will be their first 2D film in 5 years. Hopefully they can make it good.
Quote from: Tupin on June 15, 2009, 06:28:32 PM
Pocahontas, The Hunchback of Notre Dame, Hercules, Mulan, Tarzan, Atlantis, Lilo & Stitch, and Treasure Planet. None of those are good? All came out between 1995 and 2002, all were made by Disney.
2002 was the last year of great non-CGI Disney films. After Treasure Planet bombed, they basically gave up on it, save for Brother Bear and Home on the Range. (Which were mediocre compared to the above list, I might add)
This year, The Princess and the Frog will be their first 2D film in 5 years. Hopefully they can make it good.
The only one I'll really give credit to is Treasure Planet and Lilo and Stitch.
I never once cared for the "re-tellings" like Hunchback, Hercules, etc. It's just an excuse to not have to come up with original characters and borrow from things already done.
Treasure Planet bombing made me really mad, and yes that's why Disney stopped trying (in pursuit of "other interests" such as crappy musicians who aren't musicians and giving kids the wrong idea about the harsh mistress of high school).
The Princess and the Frog seems like a desperate attempt to recapture the success of the Little Mermaid in the early 90's. At least that's the vibe I got from the plot synopsis. I just wish people would quit making a big deal about the princess being black. It's no big deal people get the crap over it.
Ever see any of the lesser known Dreamworks films? Once you see Antz and Spirit: Stallion of the Cimarron, you'll wish you hadn't. The former was just a quick cash-in on A Bug's Life, which came out a month later, and the latter, despite being horrible, sounded a lot like Brother Bear, which came out the year after.
Until they hit a gold mine with Shrek, all Dreamworks did was rip off Pixar by making a movie based on their concept as soon as Pixar announced what their new movie was about. They have only made one good non-Shrek movie. Prince of Egypt. Everything else was just like a really bad Pixar movie.
Antz was intercourse ing terrible. Even as a kid I knew it was a terrible Bugs Life rip-off. Stallion of the Cimarron was okay. Switching between the human perspective and the horse perspective was interesting, but it was poorly executed as frankly neither story really interacted with each other.
Shrek was pretty good. Had some clever jokes (Dulac's information desk and the castle "compensating for something" being my favorites) but the sequels were poop. Dreamworks is a wannabe animation company. Prince of Egypt was good, but frankly I don't see the big fuss over it.
Now you know why I got into anime...
I'm just glad Eisner isn't in charge anymore.
Remember all those direct-to-DVD/VHS movies that were out in like the early 2000's? Guess whose ideas those were.
Quote from: Tupin on June 15, 2009, 09:32:43 PM
I'm just glad Eisner isn't in charge anymore.
Remember all those direct-to-DVD/VHS movies that were out in like the early 2000's? Guess whose ideas those were.
Was he in charge of all those god awful sequels that didn't need to be made, or should've been made except for Disney's illustrious greed and evil-ness? (Isn't it ironic though that the game Disney's had the most influence in Kingdom Hearts, they act more like the Heartless than any other company involved in gaming?)
Quote from: Nayrman on June 15, 2009, 06:33:22 PM
The only one I'll really give credit to is Treasure Planet and Lilo and Stitch.
I never once cared for the "re-tellings" like Hunchback, Hercules, etc. It's just an excuse to not have to come up with original characters and borrow from things already done.
Treasure Planet bombing made me really mad, and yes that's why Disney stopped trying (in pursuit of "other interests" such as crappy musicians who aren't musicians and giving kids the wrong idea about the harsh mistress of high school).
Seriously? I thought all those "re-tellings" were great movies, especially Mulan and Tarzan, which had an amazing soundtrack. The Hunchback of Notre-Dame and Hercules weren't bad either...
Atlantis, on the otherhand, I always thought was really bad.
I thought Lilo & Stitch was good, I guess.
Treasure Planet, I never saw and I don't think it ever interested me when it came out.
Quote from: Java on June 16, 2009, 11:47:48 AM
Seriously? I thought all those "re-tellings" were great movies, especially Mulan and Tarzan, which had an amazing soundtrack. The Hunchback of Notre-Dame and Hercules weren't bad either...
Atlantis, on the otherhand, I always thought was really bad.
I thought Lilo & Stitch was good, I guess.
Treasure Planet, I never saw and I don't think it ever interested me when it came out.
All the re-tellings were essentially the same movie copy pasted and someone went in to change the name of the location and main characters.
You know The Little Mermaid was a retelling, right? It was originally a story written by Hans Christian Andersen. The only difference was that in the story Ariel wanted to become a human not only to marry the prince, but also to have an eternal soul and worship in a church. Oh, and the story ends with Ariel turning into sea foam, so Disney did stuff with it to make it family friendly.
Really, these "retellings" differ so much from the original plot that they basically are their own movies. Plus, you can't beat the music of Alan Menken.
I will give you that The Hunchback of Notre Dame was basically like The Little Mermaid. Out There=Part of Your World.
Mulan was a personal favorite of mine, though.
Yea, I know about the Little Mermaid. And Alice in Wonderland is actually about Alice essentially "having a bad trip".
Lol making things kid friendly when they were fine as is. No wonder so many kids these days get the wrong idea about everything.
It's still really hard for me to count those movies, as frankly it's still taking characters and ideas from myths and stories and just making a kid friendly movie out of it. It doesn't take much creative thinking or thought to really do, and the idea is still essentially the same in all of them.
The only one I can really excuse is Snow White, because frankly Disney needed something known to market the first full length animated movie in the 1930's.
And for those wondering, yes I liked them as a kid, however I've come to realize just how shallow and one shot all these movies really are. Obviously a few manage to get away from that (Dumbo I think was mostly original, Lion King *even though it is borrowing Kimba the White Lion from Japan*, and Toy Story which isn't even Disney*).
I do admit, I can stand Mulan, only because the soundtrack is still listenable, compared to some other soundtracks I shall not mention.
(http://images4.wikia.nocookie.net/southpark/images/a/a9/Philcollins.JPG)
**South Park got him totally right**
Quote from: Nayrman on June 17, 2009, 05:35:39 PM
Yea, I know about the Little Mermaid. And Alice in Wonderland is actually about Alice essentially "having a bad trip".
Lol making things kid friendly when they were fine as is. No wonder so many kids these days get the wrong idea about everything.
It's still really hard for me to count those movies, as frankly it's still taking characters and ideas from myths and stories and just making a kid friendly movie out of it. It doesn't take much creative thinking or thought to really do, and the idea is still essentially the same in all of them.
The only one I can really excuse is Snow White, because frankly Disney needed something known to market the first full length animated movie in the 1930's.
And for those wondering, yes I liked them as a kid, however I've come to realize just how shallow and one shot all these movies really are. Obviously a few manage to get away from that (Dumbo I think was mostly original, Lion King *even though it is borrowing Kimba the White Lion from Japan*, and Toy Story which isn't even Disney*).
I do admit, I can stand Mulan, only because the soundtrack is still listenable, compared to some other soundtracks I shall not mention.
[spoiler](http://images4.wikia.nocookie.net/southpark/images/a/a9/Philcollins.JPG)[/spoiler]
**South Park got him totally right**
...And what is wrong with the Tarzan soundtrack exactly? I, for one, happen to like it.
Quote from: Nayrman on June 15, 2009, 06:33:22 PM
The only one I'll really give credit to is Treasure Planet and Lilo and Stitch.
I never once cared for the "re-tellings" like Hunchback, Hercules, etc. It's just an excuse to not have to come up with original characters and borrow from things already done.
Treasure Planet bombing made me really mad, and yes that's why Disney stopped trying (in pursuit of "other interests" such as crappy musicians who aren't musicians and giving kids the wrong idea about the harsh mistress of high school).
The Princess and the Frog seems like a desperate attempt to recapture the success of the Little Mermaid in the early 90's. At least that's the vibe I got from the plot synopsis. I just wish people would quit making a big deal about the princess being black. It's no big deal people get the crap over it.
Hey now, Mulan kicks ass
Quote from: Zero on June 17, 2009, 08:05:13 PM
Hey now, Mulan kicks ass
yes it does....
Tarzan and Hercules were awesome also.
Wow Up was amazing
Quote from: Echo on June 17, 2009, 08:10:06 PM
yes it does....
Tarzan and Hercules were awesome also.
Glad someone else agrees.
Quote from: Echo on June 18, 2009, 09:08:01 PM
Wow Up was amazing
It took a while to get going although there was some parts that I thought were mildly funny, I thought it was overall not that great.
my favorites would probably be Toy Story, Bugs Life, Ratatooie, and Up, which was amazing. the worst movie Pixar ever made was probably the Incredibles