New clones wanted?

[JrDude]

The way most determine clone: Same B moves (whether they are SLIGHTLY different or not)

[Captain Justice]

???  Okay, I can almost see an argument for him not being a clone in brawl, but there is absolutely no question that he's a clone in Melee.

try playing Fox.....then try playing Falco. The play style for the two characters is drastically different,

[Nayrman]

try playing Fox.....then try playing Falco. The play style for the two characters is drastically different,

It doesn't matter, the moves are the same in Melee, and still similar in Brawl.
Both B's are blasters, both side B's are illusions, both up b's are "fiyas!", both down b's are reflectors and both final smashes are LANDMASTA!
If the moves are the same and called the same thing, then they're clones. The only person this makes sense for is, well, Toon Link/Link... since they're inherently the same person. But even then I don't like it.

[HTA!]

Hey guys, Samus and Mario have the same N-aair.
Damn clones.

[JrDude]

Hey guys, Samus and Mario have the same N-aair.
Damn clones.

I know, they should just remove Samus all together :|

[Neerb]

In case anyone actually considers that sarcasm, just let me state (as Nayr and Jr have already said on this same page!) that in Super Smash Bros., a "clone" is someone whose entire Special moveset is nearly identical to another.  For example:

Wolf and Falco = Fox clones
Ganondorf = Captain Falcon clone
Toon Link = Link clone
Lucas = Ness clone

Luigi = NOT Mario clone (possibly as of Melee, but definitely as of Brawl)
Lucario = NOT Mewtwo clone

[Captain Justice]

If the moves are the same and called the same thing, then they're clones.

hmm, if the moves are the same, then shouldn't they play the same? Fortunately the moves aren't the same, they perform very differently, they just look the same.

Plus if Falco Phantasm is the same name as Fox Illusion then.......

[Mutilator7]

Another pokemon clone i suppose. Or bring pichu back

[StarWindWizard7]

Another pokemon clone i suppose. Or bring pichu back

Your kidding, right?

[chaosgear]

shadow as a sonic clone. raiden would be a good snake clone. only more agile

[HTA!]

Specials have to be the same?

Keep in mind, besides from some animations-

Samus and Link both have bombs as Down B
Samus and Link both have multihit, mainly vertical, recoveries
Samus and Link can both charge the neutral B's which are projectiles
Samus and Link both have projectiles as Side-B
Samus and Link both have the same N-air
Samus and Link both have grappling hook grabs
Samus and Link have the same Z-air
Samus and Link both have the same U-smash, multi-hit and small horizontal range.
Samus and Link have the same B-air, animation looks almost identical

But they aren't clones?

[Neerb]

I compare Falco's Reflector to Fox's Reflector, Falco's Blaster to Fox's Blaster, Falco's illusion dash to Fox's illusion dash, and Falco's flame-covered launch to Fox's flame-covered launch.
You compare Samus' morph-ball bombs with Link's bombs, Samus' charge beam with Link's Bow & Arrow, Samus' missile with Link's Gale Boomerang, and Samus' Screw Attack with Link's Spin Attack?

REALLY?

[HTA!]

I compare Falco's Reflector to Fox's Reflector, Falco's Blaster to Fox's Blaster, Falco's illusion dash to Fox's illusion dash, and Falco's flame-covered launch to Fox's flame-covered launch.
You compare Samus' morph-ball bombs with Link's bombs, Samus' charge beam with Link's Bow & Arrow, Samus' missile with Link's Gale Boomerang, and Samus' Screw Attack with Link's Spin Attack?

REALLY?

Yes, because they are similar moves, with similar hitobxes, with similar animations, with similar uses.

What is the difference between Link's arrow and Samus' charge shot besides how they look?
Anything? Some damage and knockback tweaks obviously... but isn't that what they do with all "clones" attacks?

[Neerb]

Link= Arrow, slightly glows, hold to charge, small damage and knockback
Samus= Energy Ball, greatly increase in size, tap to charge, large damage and knockback

Falco= Reflector, deflects projectiles, damages enemies during initial start-up, moves forward before turning off
Fox= Reflector, deflects projectiles, damages enemies during initial start-up, stays in place while held

As you can see, there is a difference between having many differences and having few differences... which I believe they teach kids on Sesame Street.  I suppose next you'll be saying Captain Falcon is a DK clone because they both have chargable punches, or that Ness is a Mario clone because they both shoot fire?   You are greatly exaggerating in your arguments for reasons I don't quite understand (are you somehow offended by certain characters being called clones?), and it seems either you're not getting what a "clone" in Smash really is, or you're being a smart a**, neither of which holds any ground.

[HTA!]

Link= Arrow, slightly glows, hold to charge, small damage and knockback
Samus= Energy Ball, greatly increase in size, tap to charge, large damage and knockback

Falco= Reflector, deflects projectiles, damages enemies during initial start-up, moves forward before turning off
Fox= Reflector, deflects projectiles, damages enemies during initial start-up, stays in place while held

As you can see, there is a difference between having many differences and having few differences... which I believe they teach kids on Sesame Street.  I suppose next you'll be saying Captain Falcon is a DK clone because they both have chargable punches, or that Ness is a Mario clone because they both shoot fire?   You are greatly exaggerating in your arguments for reasons I don't quite understand (are you somehow offended by certain characters being called clones?), and it seems either you're not getting what a "clone" in Smash really is, or you're being a smart a**, neither of which holds any ground.

High five.