Abused topic, but whatever.
What Pokemon would you like to see evolutions, pre-evolutions, or alternates for in the upcoming games?
Eevees are obvious, so don't bother with them.
Farfetch'd needs an evolution, in my opinion.
Also, I'd like to see Baby Kangaskhan, finally. That, with a new hold item that allows him to turn into Cubone. Also, a male Kangaskhan without the pouch.
In addition to the whole Kangaskhan ordeal, I want to see a baby Lapras. If Mantine can get a prevo, Lapras should too.
Well, with Mantine, it was known that a Remoraid was attached, so making Mantyke made sense.
We got a Magmar and Electabuzz evo, why not Jynx? They've all been together the first few gens (getting a baby in the 2nd, etc)
...not that I want one. It would look horrifying.
Quote from: Zorua on June 07, 2010, 12:46:52 PM
We got a Magmar and Electabuzz evo, why not Jynx? They've all been together the first few gens (getting a baby in the 2nd, etc)
...not that I want one. It would look horrifying.
Maybe Jynx would lose weight and be a sexy black woman. .def happy.
If Jynx, we can't forget Mr. Mime.
Pinsir also.
Eeveelutions, preferably Dragon, Ground, and/or Steel.
Baby Kangaskhan and Male Kangaskhan (just alternate gender, not alternate evo).
Farfetch'd evo.
Pinsir evo (like Scyther to Scizor, in the sense that it's more of a stat and type change than a 100% improvement).
Dunsparce evo.
Mrs. Mime
I only want Farfetch'd an Dunsparce. The problem is that both are perfectly awesome in every way but stats and movepool in Farfetch'd's case, and their new evos would probably be hideous in comparison. How about make the Dunsparce evo be Dunsparce with angry eyes and better stats, and just give the new Farfetch'd a bigger stick.
Actually no, I don't want them to get new evos. I'd rather take a completely useless Farfetch'd and a risky but awesome Dunsparce than see them get evos.
New forms for hidden Pokés.
By that I mean, Digglet, it's face is the same, and it comes out of the ground, the fact that it's new form is out of the ground would make it less of a ground Pokémon, possibly a new Dugtrio as well, that would look interesting.
New form of Cubone, I'd say max happy a female Marowak (because Cubone wears the skull because it's sad, though it's because it's mother died, if the mother is alive and happy it shouldn't need to), give it some item, breed it (male Marowak or Ditto), then the baby is a new form of Cubone without his mother's skull as a helmet. Evo would also be without the skull-like head.
Prevo for Kangaskhan, basically the Baby in the pouch, of course Kangaskhan would have to be holding a special item for it to work. That baby in the pouch should evolve into a new Pokémon if male, not a Kangaskhan, that wouldn't make sense. If female, it should need another Prevo of Kangaskhan in the party in order to evolve, neither disappear.
This is how Farfetch'd should work to evolve. Remove item, then do something in game that makes it somehow lose it's stick that it can't let got of. This being a new form of Farfetch'd, no stick. Give it it's held stick item and it still won't have it in it's sprite, drain the intercourse out of it's happiness, then when it hates your guts, level it up (with the stick), and it will evolve as a big mad off bird with a stick.
Banette should also get an evo. Hold item, and level up at night when it's happiness it like, below 5 or something. Don't know what it would be, but Banette seems suitable to me.
And an old idea I brought up before, breed Poké A with Poké B and get Poké C. I don't mean Poké A with Ditto and get Poké a. This could work. Breed Tauros with Miltank and get a calf, it's color will be determined by it's gender, it evolves into Tauros or Miltank based on it's gender. This would either need one/both to hold a special item, or there could be a special breeder for these things, where it's not there to grow levels, just to breed, or something, that just came to me there.
This could also work for other things that are similar in species, but not always have to evolve into it's parents. Like my old example, it could be a Tiger Poké mom and Lion Poké dad and get a Liger Poké baby that evolves into, a Liger.
Also, Kangaskhan baby being able to turn into Cubone is a horrible idea.
Edit: I also think a new Deoxys form would be cool, like an epic looking one. I was thinking it would be like evil or something, my mind thought "Virus Forme"
Edit 2.0: Also a new form of Darkrai, one super horrible looking. I was thinking white. Nightmare Forme? With that, a new Cresselia form, can't think of anything, but since it's the counter of Darkrai, I thought it should be included.
Quote from: JrDude φ on June 07, 2010, 05:27:50 PM
Also, Kangaskhan baby being able to turn into Cubone is a horrible idea.
Sorry to attack a personal opinion, but learn to firstGenGlitch
Kangashkan Baby to Cubone makes so much sense. I don't care what you have to say about that.
Quote from: Riddler on June 07, 2010, 06:20:25 PM
Kangashkan Baby to Cubone makes so much sense. I don't care what you have to say about that.
No, it doesn't make any intercourse ing sense. Regardless of the glitch they're two ENTIRELY different species of pokemon. Both your logic and Cornwad's logic are so intercourse ing outrageous
But yeah a Male Khan would be pretty sweet. Isn't an evo though, so I feel that a Skarmory pre-evolution is in order.
I think my logic is perfectly sound in this case. Riddler's makes a fair bit too, both kinda look the same.
Quote from: Zero on June 07, 2010, 07:22:34 PM
No, it doesn't make any intercourse ing sense. Regardless of the glitch they're two ENTIRELY different species of pokemon. Both your logic and Cornwad's logic are so intercourse ing outrageous
But yeah a Male Khan would be pretty sweet. Isn't an evo though, so I feel that a Skarmory pre-evolution is in order.
(http://ares.cantbeunseen.com/content/11612/resized/1255824562786.jpg)
Fuck you, I believe in it.
Quote from: Riddler on June 07, 2010, 07:30:22 PM
Fuck you, I believe in it.
Well I have to say that the altering of a Cubone sprite into a baby Khan by some retard that can't spell "growth" is amazingly credible, so you've changed my mind completely.
@Cornwad:
I was talking about the poop that went down in the Smash thread. lol
Quote from: Zero on June 07, 2010, 07:59:58 PM
Well I have to say that the altering of a Cubone sprite into a baby Khan by some retard that can't spell "growth" is amazingly credible, so you've changed my mind completely.
@Cornwad:
I was talking about the poop that went down in the Smash thread. lol
I went to google images and took an image. This guy isn't the one who realized it, he's just one posting it.
Even the anime baby has a similar body to Cubone.
(http://archives.bulbagarden.net/media/upload/thumb/6/62/Baby_Kangaskhan.JPG/180px-Baby_Kangaskhan.JPG)
Only difference is color, and Pokemon are known to have color changes in evolutions.
Quote from: Riddler on June 07, 2010, 08:02:51 PM
I went to google images and took an image. This guy isn't the one who realized it, he's just one posting it.
Even the anime baby has a similar body to Cubone.
(http://archives.bulbagarden.net/media/upload/thumb/6/62/Baby_Kangaskhan.JPG/180px-Baby_Kangaskhan.JPG)
Only difference is color, and Pokemon are known to have color changes in evolutions.
I think the color itself will probably be a dead giveaway that there's no connection to Cubones and Kangaskhans.
...Wait, the Pokedex should have already said something like that before.
Qwilfish and Luvdisc need something to make them useable, mostly Luvdisc
Quote from: TheAuraWielder on June 07, 2010, 08:07:10 PM
I think the color itself will probably be a dead giveaway that there's no connection to Cubones and Kangaskhans.
...Wait, the Pokedex should have already said something like that before.
(http://minusvalismo.files.wordpress.com/2009/04/psyduck-golduck-the-beginning2.jpg)
Cause all pokemon are the same color as their families. btwthiswashtheonlyimageicouldfindwithbothofthemandimlazy
Of course there is no canon connection between them. But physically they're all very similar. The skull Cubone wears is VERY close to a Kangaskhan head which is said to be "it's mothers skull." Aside from the obvious features, Marowak even has that same spike on it's tail as Kang. It's a cool way to look at things, you guys are just poop holes.
Edit: Actually, hell, the color should PROVE they're related if you go by your logic. Kangaskhan, Cubone, and Marowak are all similar in color. The baby is the only one that's different. :|
lol don't lump my logic in with his
Secondly, this is just one of those things that people over-analyze. To beat over-analysis, sometimes I guess you have to over-analyze things yourself.
You say that the skull Cubone wears is similar to a Khans head but honestly the only similarities between the two are the pointy horn things and even then its a huge stretch to say that they're exactly the same. The snout is different, the basic intercourse ing SHAPE is different for crying out loud. Look at a Khan's head then go and look at Cubone's skull again. They're quite different.
Now the same exact spike that a Khan and a Marowak have is interesting and its something I never noticed before. In the anime, I remember it being a bunch of spikes going up along the tail of a Kangaskhan, and the Ruby/Sapphire/Emerald sprite has it like that, but the D/P sprite lacks it, possibly due to the angle or maybe not, who knows. If you wanted to prove that your argument had merit you probably should have pointed out the spikes from the start, because the skulls have hardly any similarities. Maybe someday we'll have some sort of explanation, but this is Game Freak so probably not.
Quote from: Zero on June 07, 2010, 08:33:56 PM
lol don't lump my logic in with his
Secondly, this is just one of those things that people over-analyze. To beat over-analysis, sometimes I guess you have to over-analyze things yourself.
You say that the skull Cubone wears is similar to a Khans head but honestly the only similarities between the two are the pointy horn things and even then its a huge stretch to say that they're exactly the same. The snout is different, the basic intercourse ing SHAPE is different for crying out loud. Look at a Khan's head then go and look at Cubone's skull again. They're quite different.
Now the same exact spike that a Khan and a Marowak have is interesting and its something I never noticed before. In the anime, I remember it being a bunch of spikes going up along the tail of a Kangaskhan, and the Ruby/Sapphire/Emerald sprite has it like that, but the D/P sprite lacks it, possibly due to the angle or maybe not, who knows. If you wanted to prove that your argument had merit you probably should have pointed out the spikes from the start, because the skulls have hardly any similarities. Maybe someday we'll have some sort of explanation, but this is Game Freak so probably not.
Actually I just noticed the spike beforehand and edited it in. :X
The basic shape of the skulls is similar. The snout has a different curvature, but the horn things are in the right position, the eyes are in the right position, and the teeth are in the right position. You could argue that that shielding on Kang's head isn't a part of the skull, and the curvature is plausible. Sure, they're not exactly the same, but they're very similar. The argument to this could be that it morphed abit on the evolution, like the Cubone-Marowak evolution isn't the same shaped skull (in fact, Marowak's skull is even more similar to Kangaskhans.)
Using Marowak as a comparison just makes everything more interesting, because you can't deny the similarities are there and are striking.
I know it's over analysis, but it's a fun way to look at things. Don't call someone intercourse ing retarded or outrageous, it's just fun and interesting. And if they ever DID by some longshot make the connection canon, we'd be able to laugh our asses off at you.
Laugh your ass off at a skeptic? Well hell if they do end up making a clarification in your favor someday it will not be the first time I've been wrong. lol because I'd totally think back and laugh my ass off at you for being wrong, seriously come the intercourse on. I'm just calling things as I see them.
The skull is too long and narrow, Rob. A Khans head and mouth are very, very, round, not to mention the fact that the nostrils on a Khan's head are no where near where they are on the skull a Cubone has. The pointy things are way larger on a Kangaskhan than on the skull a Cubone has.
It's safe to say that the similarities between Cubone and Kangaskhan are few and far between, and every one you find is just your desperation to find similarities. It happens a lot during over-analysis.
Now when you bring up Marowak, the skulls aren't the same, but the eyes are. They're the same shape almost, and the same color. That coupled with the spike thing you pointed out actually make it out to be a possibility and to be honest I think it'd be pretty cool if some how the two species were distant cousins.
I apologize for calling your logic outrageous, but lol the only one I called retarded was the retard that couldn't spell "growth".
EDIT: lol i only have one ass
I have yet to call anyone retarded, I guess since it's me you'll just assume it though. Saying it's a horrible idea is my opinion, saying it's a good idea is your opinion.
I'll tell you why I don't like the idea. Kangaskhan is a kangaroo, Cubone is... not a kangaroo.
Also, your logic on the skull isn't accurate on that pic, they are at the same angle, yet Kanga's head doesn't look like the skull on Cubone's head at all. Head shape is very different, teeth in the wrong spot, eye socket WAY too big for a Kangaskhan's eyes, nose holes are big, I could possibly point out more differences but I don't feel like looking for more.
Regardless, I can guarantee that if a baby Kanga comes, it won't be able to turn into Cubone. Also, I can ALMOST guarantee that there won't be a prevo created for Kangaskhan (at least not in this gen), they've had 3 chances after 1st gen, I really don't think they want one.
I see the similarities. I dunno, they're there for me.
But any differences that could be there, you gotta keep in mind it'd be an evolution. Cubone wouldn't be straight out of the pouch. Put the skull on and evolve. The skull morphs like when it does from Cubone to Marowak. They may not be identical but it's close enough to be plausible.
Another thing I meant to mention, Cubone wears the skull of it's dead mother. In game, and possibly in anime, the mother was shown as a ghost, and, guess who? Marowak! Not Kangaskhan.
Quote from: Riddler on June 07, 2010, 09:20:43 PM
I see the similarities. I dunno, they're there for me.
But any differences that could be there, you gotta keep in mind it'd be an evolution. Cubone wouldn't be straight out of the pouch. Put the skull on and evolve. The skull morphs like when it does from Cubone to Marowak. They may not be identical but it's close enough to be plausible.
If it's the skull of his dead mother, and the mother is Kangaskhan, there shouldn't be any differences in their shape, the skull didn't evolve, it was just put on a Cubone's head.
While it was said in-game that the Cubone's mother was a Marowak, the ghost itself looked like a conventional ghost.
This whole thing originates to some poop hole that was far too lazy and made similar pokemon designs.
Quote from: Zero on June 07, 2010, 09:35:08 PM
While it was said in-game that the Cubone's mother was a Marowak, the ghost itself looked like a conventional ghost.
This whole thing originates to some poop hole that was far too lazy and made similar pokemon designs.
Of course, it couldn't possibly be a coincidence, it was laziness.
Really try to think of it though, would you like the look of either of those 2 being a different color or something?
Quote from: JrDude φ on June 07, 2010, 09:25:23 PM
Another thing I meant to mention, Cubone wears the skull of it's dead mother. In game, and possibly in anime, the mother was shown as a ghost, and, guess who? Marowak! Not Kangaskhan.
If it's the skull of his dead mother, and the mother is Kangaskhan, there shouldn't be any differences in their shape, the skull didn't evolve, it was just put on a Cubone's head.
Well, the argument for that could be: Marowaks also breed Cubones. Derp.
Things change when Pokemon evolve. Hell, Shellder mutates completely.
Edit: Actually your point is moot entirely. The Marowak skull is not what is on Cubone's head, so the shape is pretty much irrelevant there.
Quote from: JrDude φ on June 07, 2010, 09:40:07 PM
Of course, it couldn't possibly be a coincidence, it was laziness.
Really try to think of it though, would you like the look of either of those 2 being a different color or something?
lol well if you have it so plenty of pokemon have a peach colored circle on their stomachs, spiky tails, and pointy heads because you possess no originality then of course you're a lazy-intercourse . The entire Charmander line has that peach colored circle on their stomach too for gods sake.
You're going to have to be a bit more specific on that last part.
lol this doesn't really correlate much to Rob's point but it probably should be mentioned that, in the games you can definitely breed a male Marowak with a Khan but you pretty much always produce a Cubone. Hell I don't think I've ever had a Khan hatch out of an egg, and if it did it'd be pretty weird seeing that it already would have a baby and poop. The games are fundamentally flawed in that aspect, if you can hatch a Khan. I never got why we had a Male and Female nidoran line but not a full Kangaskhan line. It could totally work.
@Rob: So you're saying you think when the baby Kangaskhan puts on the skull, the skull and the color change? So basically he evolves? I guess it makes sense considering when Cubone evolves into Marowak the skull fuses to fit around Cubone's new head, and essentially becomes an exoskeleton for his head, growing parts that cover its jaw. So the skull could change.
I once tried it to see the result, A Kangaskhan did indeed come out of the egg with the baby in it and all.
Quote from: Zero on June 07, 2010, 09:54:06 PM
@Rob: So you're saying you think when the baby Kangaskhan puts on the skull, the skull and the color change? So basically he evolves? I guess it makes sense considering when Cubone evolves into Marowak the skull fuses to fit around Cubone's new head, and essentially becomes an exoskeleton for his head, growing parts that cover its jaw. So the skull could change.
Yes. It's like a held item, basically. Kangaskhan <-Level Up- Babykhan -Skull-> Cubone
Quote from: JrDude φ on June 07, 2010, 09:57:48 PM
I once tried it to see the result, A Kangaskhan did indeed come out of the egg with the baby in it and all.
Then the games just deny all consistency for simplicity, because Cubones come straight out of the egg with skull and all.
One they put on the skull they are a completely different species, and now breed with a skull on. Plus, you can get a Snorlax to hatch from an egg.
If you give them the right incense, you can also get a Munchlax. Although why anyone would want to, considering Snorlax just levels better, I don't know.
This whole Kangascubone thing just sounds like nonsense to me. I see absolutely no reason at all outside of a single fan's desire for it to happen. It's like saying Meowth should be able to turn into Mewtwo because they're both cats and I said so. Granted, this thread is solely for fan desires, but it's still a stretch to say that two species who previously had no relation should become a single species.
Quote from: Mewtwo on June 08, 2010, 08:26:43 AM
This whole Kangascubone thing just sounds like nonsense to me. I see absolutely no reason at all outside of a single fan's desire for it to happen. It's like saying Meowth should be able to turn into Mewtwo because they're both cats and I said so. Granted, this thread is solely for fan desires, but it's still a stretch to say that two species who previously had no relation should become a single species.
A single fans desire? Bahahaha try googling it. It has plenty of support.
Alright, on the Kangaskhan/Cubone thing, let me tell you something.
Let's look at game stats and poop. Cubone.. already really darn weak. If Kangaskid (cheesy name I made for reference :3) EVOLVED or whatever into Cubone, do you know how weak it would have to be? And how would it evolve? Usually, in fact, in pretty much every case except for Scyther/Scizor, pokemon get much stronger upon evolution. Kangaskid would have to be, like, weaker than Happiny to make that make sense. Also, it would be very confusing.
And by your logic, that would mean that:
Plusle and Minun should have a common pre-evo.
So should Volbeat and Illumise
Why not Igglybuff and Cleffa? Fuck, they look about as similar as Cubone/Kangaskid (not very other than shape) So why not give them a intercourse in' pre evo? Base stat of 1 in all stats.
Magikarp, Goldeen, etc. are all fish. DO YOU WANT THEM TO HAVE A COMMON PRE-EVO TOO?
One word: No. Get the idea out of your head. Cubone would never have a pre-evo, related to Kangaskhan.
I registered only to say:
1. This whole Kangaskahn Cubone root pokémon idea is absurd in the most speculative fashion.
2. It's also clear that a baby Kangaskahn should be called Kangaschan. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/-chan#Chan (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/-chan#Chan)
Not to brag, but I think I may have just used fact to put a serious dent in this Cubokhan theory:
If a Cubone wears it's mother's skull, and it's mother is Kangaskhan, don't you think that skull would bear at least a tiny bit of resemblance to a real Kangaskhan's? Kangaskhan don't have horns, you know, and don't tell me those are ear nubs because I'm fairly certain we all know that ears aren't actually part of the bone that is the skull. Another thing: Cubone is 1'04", while Kangaskhan is 7'03". Given Kangaskhan's proportions, that would make Kangaskhan's skull approximately 2' tall! Obviously, if a Kangaskhan's skull is almost twice as tall as a Cubone, then Cubone probably isn't wearing a Kangaskhan's skull.
Don't believe me? here's Cubone and Kangaskhan's respective Serebii entries, followed by a rough measuring rod I made in Paint for Kangaskhan:
http://www.serebii.net/pokedex-dp/104.shtml (http://www.serebii.net/pokedex-dp/104.shtml)
http://www.serebii.net/pokedex-dp/115.shtml (http://www.serebii.net/pokedex-dp/115.shtml)
(http://i457.photobucket.com/albums/qq292/BalladOfGales/untitled-1.jpg)
Quote from: Mewtwo on June 08, 2010, 12:58:21 PM
Not to brag, but I think I may have just used fact to put a serious dent in this Cubokhan theory:
If a Cubone wears it's mother's skull, and it's mother is Kangaskhan, don't you think that skull would bear at least a tiny bit of resemblance to a real Kangaskhan's? Kangaskhan don't have horns, you know, and don't tell me those are ear nubs because I'm fairly certain we all know that ears aren't actually part of the bone that is the skull. Another thing: Cubone is 1'04", while Kangaskhan is 7'03". Given Kangaskhan's proportions, that would make Kangaskhan's skull approximately 2' tall! Obviously, if a Kangaskhan's skull is almost twice as tall as a Cubone, then Cubone probably isn't wearing a Kangaskhan's skull.
Don't believe me? here's Cubone and Kangaskhan's respective Serebii entries, followed by a rough measuring rod I made in Paint for Kangaskhan:
http://www.serebii.net/pokedex-dp/104.shtml (http://www.serebii.net/pokedex-dp/104.shtml)
http://www.serebii.net/pokedex-dp/115.shtml (http://www.serebii.net/pokedex-dp/115.shtml)
(http://i457.photobucket.com/albums/qq292/BalladOfGales/untitled-1.jpg)
Have you read any of my arguments?
It does bare a resemblence. It's not identical, but it's there.
And like the Cubone to Marowak evolution, the skull could change shape on evolution.
Aside from that, the body shapes and colors are spot on. Marowak gets the spike on the tail, they both have the big yellow belly, etc etc. You cannot deny that they're similar, and the skull is similar enough where a mutation is plausible.
But the size! It doesn't say that Cubone wore the skull and then it changed, it says it wears the skull. You could fit almost two entire Cubones inside a Kangaskhan skull! How could that armor it's wearing possibly be that of it's mother's!? Unless, of course, you think that it's mother was a freak 1/7th size Kangaskhan that gave birth to a child the same size as itself...
Quote from: Mewtwo on June 08, 2010, 01:27:12 PM
But the size! It doesn't say that Cubone wore the skull and then it changed, it says it wears the skull. You could fit almost two entire Cubones inside a Kangaskhan skull! How could that armor it's wearing possibly be that of it's mother's!? Unless, of course, you think that it's mother was a freak 1/7th size Kangaskhan that gave birth to a child the same size as itself...
You're right, it doesn't say that it changed. But it doesn't say that it didn't. Even if it DID change, it's still it's mother's skull, no? Marowak is about three times the size of Cubone, and the skull changed in both shape and size. How come the reverse isn't plausible?
Look at any other held-item evolution; Appearance's change drastically. That tiny little metal coat that covers Scizor also covers Steelix's entire body.
You really can't use physics like that here. You gotta suspend disbelief.
It just seems a bit... overly complicated. Since this is Pokemon, I suppose it could happen, but it just doesn't seem like it should happen. Linking two different typed, different looking, separated-for-the-past-15-years species seems more than a little random, especially given the evidence against it. I mean, this isn't a meant-to-be pairing like Hitmonlee and Hitmonchan, this is like deciding that Lapras and Tropius belong together, or Spiritomb and Gengar, or Pachirisu and Lopunny; there's just no real reason for this to happen outside of some fans deciding one looks a bit like the other.
Can we...drop the whole Cubone and Kangaskhan theory? I don't remember Cubone being a kangaroo before, anyway...
I want a Scyther pre-evo.
Quote from: Mewtwo on June 08, 2010, 01:53:18 PM
It just seems a bit... overly complicated. Since this is Pokemon, I suppose it could happen, but it just doesn't seem like it should happen. Linking two different typed, different looking, separated-for-the-past-15-years species seems more than a little random, especially given the evidence against it. I mean, this isn't a meant-to-be pairing like Hitmonlee and Hitmonchan, this is like deciding that Lapras and Tropius belong together, or Spiritomb and Gengar, or Pachirisu and Lopunny; there's just no real reason for this to happen outside of some fans deciding one looks a bit like the other.
I still disagree that they look different. Their bodies are near identical in color and shape. Your only true argument is that they've never been linked and that the skull is a little different. I debunked the skull thing by suspending disbelief.
Like I've said a thousand times before. It's a fun way to look at it, it makes the whole thing more interesting. With all the signs pointing to it, even if it isn't canon, it's still cool to think of it that way.
So, intercourse you, I'm a believer. rage;
People have always wanted baby Kangaskhan to grow up, and nowbody knows what Cubone is. It would solve two mysteries at once. Plus, Cubone loved its mother so much that it wears her head, and baby Kangaskhan lives in its mother its whole life. It makes perfect sense, even if it would be hard to integrate.
Oh, and MechaWatts is a moron.
Considering that Rob's source for that Cubone/Kanga pic also provided us with this: [spoiler](http://zeus.cantbeunseen.com/content/18053/resized/tooth.jpg?1267073881)[/spoiler]
Can't say I take it seriously. Now to consider it. Sure, they could make Kangaskhan and Cubone related. They could also make Mr. Mime and Magikarp related; it's just as likely.
The major supporting "evidence" I've seen so far is that they have similar body shapes. Oh my god, a game that has Body Shape as creature category features two Pokemon with similar body shapes. It's unreal! While we're at it, let's relate Regigigas and Dunsparce since they're both in the same creature category, Normal type. Or let's limit it to body type... Solrock and Starmie are both in the same Body Shape category, so they can be related! As a bonus, they're both Psychic type!
...No. Magikarp and Gyarados look radically different, yet they're related. Already used in this thread, Psyduck and Golduck. A lot of discussion considered Cubone's skull; ignoring the relative size of Kangaskan's head to Cubone, the heads of Kangaskhan and Cubone look nothing alike. Which kind of makes sense, considering it's supposed to be Marowak's skull. The skull Marowak wears looks a bit different from Cubone's, sure; it is not, however, radically different in shape in size, as opposed to Kangaskhan's. Furthermore, the skull we see on Marowak is the same skull it wore as Cubone, weathered over time and fused to Cubone's head... it's more like an external skull, so we have no idea what Marowak's internal skull looks like. Unless you look at Cubone, of course. Seriously, appearance wise, Charmander and Cubone are more likely to be related, and at least Charizard's skull barely looks like Cubone's.
Cubone is obviously reptilian (Marowak even has tummy scales), as to be expected since they're Ground-type bone Pokemon. Hm... what bones do we find in the ground... well, the answer depends on whether you're a tomb raider or a paleontologist, but I was going for fossils. Cubone and Marowak are fossil-based Pokemon (as opposed to Fossil Pokemon, courtesy of Pokemon science). Kangaskhan is a really violent kangaroo. Totally the same thing.
Getting away from appearance, with the exception of one pair of Pokemon, Game Freak has never retroactively connected to Pokemon species with an evolution. That one exception happens to be Hitmonchan and Hitmonchan, Pokemon that were intentionally and obviously counterparts to one another. And that happened as soon as Baby Pokemon hit the scene. So if Game Freak were to retroactively connect Pokemon families, it would be ones that actually have in-game connections, such as the Nidoran or Plusle/Minun, etc. I would say the biggest stretch that rule could possibly be extended to is Gyarados and Milotic, Pokemon that aren't even in that same breeding group but have way more similarities than Cubone and Kangaskhan. I mean, if the two were right next to each other in the Pokedex, then maybe... but they don't even have that. There is absolutely no in-game connection between the two.
Just pointing out my observations, since the topic dominated the thread. Back to the main point...
I
would like to see all of those paired Gen III Pokemon share an evolution somehow; for example, you breed Plusle and Minun together while they hold a battery or soemthing, and you get some kind of neutral Pokemon or something.
I would like to see Jynx and Wobbuffet get evolved forms, as well; with the exception of the Hitmons, those two Pokemon are the only ones with pre-Gen IV Baby forms that do not have a third form. Also, the analogues between Jynx and Electabuzz/Magmar are so apparent, it deserves one.
I think Eevee needs a Dragon evolution. All the Eeveelutions are former special types; Dragon is the only special type Eevee doesn't have an evolved form for.
I would like to see a male counterpart to Kangaskan and the (I like the name) Kangachan pre-evo. It's not absurd, unlike the Cubone idea. Also, Miltank should be able to produce Tauros eggs. And Nidoqueen should be able to breed period.
Stealing from the evil Pokemon thread, I would like to see a Cerebus evolution for Houndoom. It would be amaaaaaazing.
And that's it. Sorry if I was a little touchy. ^_^
Quote from: Riddler on June 08, 2010, 05:21:38 PM
I still disagree that they look different. Their bodies are near identical in color and shape. Your only true argument is that they've never been linked and that the skull is a little different. I debunked the skull thing by suspending disbelief.
Like I've said a thousand times before. It's a fun way to look at it, it makes the whole thing more interesting. With all the signs pointing to it, even if it isn't canon, it's still cool to think of it that way.
So, intercourse you, I'm a believer.
If it's just for fun, then sure. I mean, when I saw that pic I was like: "Oh my god, it's so obvious." But then it became serious business. :|
I'm almost 100% sure someone already mentioned this before, but I'm too lazy to check, so... maybe we could do some DNA-Digivolving stuff. Like, have Plusle and Minun in your team at the same time, and when the both reach a certain level, they combine into some better, awesomer pokemon. The explanation for why it didn't happen in old games could be, as per usual, a hold item... although only one has to be holding it. Of course, we should have been able to do this back in first and second gen, since Slowpoke+Shellder=Slowbro/SlowKing, and I guess it would be awkward if they couldn't evolve the same way anymore or if they were suddenly the only ones unable to do it despite their entries.
Oh, and a final note on Marokhan: if you look back at my little Kangaskhan measurement picture, you'll notice that the baby Kangaskhan in the pouch has a head 1' tall. Now, how tall was Cubone again? That's right, 1'04". So, even if the skull that's twice as tall as Cubone magically shrunk, there's still the fact that even the oldest Cubones will only be about the size of a newborn Kangaskhan's head. So, in addition to the adult skull shrinking to about 1/4 it's size and growing horns, does this evolution to Cubone also cause the babykhan to shrink to half it's size?
All Pokemon including the likes of Groudon and Wailord fit into balls that easily fit in your pockets, and you're worried about measurements. Somebody's being dumb. That Diglett thing is pretty amazing too. Diglett is forever ruined for me.
Rius, For the image, it was a quick google image search. Search it and you'll find a thousand or more sources.
You're using Body Shape based on the category. That is NOT what I'm getting at. I mean physically they're the same shape. Biped, big intercourse ing tail (with the bonus of the spike on Marowaks that Kangaskhan shares), spikes on the back (Cubone and Kangaskhan share this), toe claws, big yellow belly, etc. They're actually the same shape. I didn't mean the group. You could cut off Cubones head and replace it with Kangaskhans and it'd still be a close match, minus all the scales. Charmander has different arms, legs, and tail compared to Cubone. Cubones full body is a close match to Kangaskhans.
Yes, Kangaskhan is a Kangaroo. But it has spikes and scales. Hardly a sound argument there, especially since they're Pokemon. Cubone and Marowak have no definitive base. They're the "Lonely Pokemon" and "Bone Keeper Pokemon". You can't say what they are at all.
The skull Cubone wears does not look like a weathered version of Marowaks. It's a different shape, it has different eye and nose holes, Marowaks doesn't even have teeth. Marowak's head is three times the size of Cubones, as well. I know they're similar, but if the argument is that "Kangaskhans head is a different shape", then by that logic Marowaks is off too. Kangaskhans head IS similar enough to be plausible.
And for the last time, I know there is no in-game or canon connection. That's why this is all fan-belief, and it's something I'll be stubborn on. No sense in arguing that point.
Quote from: Cornwad on June 08, 2010, 06:27:14 PM
All Pokemon including the likes of Groudon and Wailord fit into balls that easily fit in your pockets, and you're worried about measurements. Somebody's being dumb. That Diglett thing is pretty amazing too. Diglett is forever ruined for me.
I'm pretty sure that has something to do with the pokeball tech, not all pokemons' magic abilities to shrink whenever the heck they want. :|
Quote from: Mewtwo on June 08, 2010, 06:46:50 PM
I'm pretty sure that has something to do with the pokeball tech, not all pokemons' magic abilities to shrink whenever the heck they want. :|
Might I remind you that not every single Pokemon of a species is the same size.
This conversation is as crazy as to believe why the heck Digglet can use Scratch and Slash.
And Pikachu can learn Fly
Or Rhydon can surf.
Quote from: Cornwad on June 08, 2010, 07:43:21 PM
And Pikachu can learn Fly
Doesn't the sprite of that have balloons? Or was that just a fan-made thing?
Nope, it's just Pikachu. I think the lesson her is that if the baby Kangaskhan did evolve, it would evolve into Cubone.
Quote from: Cornwad on June 08, 2010, 08:22:48 PM
Nope, it's just Pikachu. I think the lesson her is that if the baby Kangaskhan did evolve, it would evolve into Cubone.
It just changed colors, grew 7 inches, and got a skull out of nowhere, then?
Quote from: TheAuraWielder on June 08, 2010, 08:23:54 PM
It just changed colors, grew 7 inches, and got a skull out of nowhere, then?
Skull is a hold item. The rest is evolution, mang.
Quote from: Cornwad on June 08, 2010, 08:22:48 PM
Nope, it's just Pikachu. I think the lesson her is that if the baby Kangaskhan did evolve, it would evolve into Cubone.
:| Um... I don't think that's the lesson here... I think the lesson is simply that regardless of whether or not Cubone is related to Kangaskhan, questioning fiction will generally get you no where.
I still don't believe it though. >:(
i'm gonna ignore the dicussion about cubone for this moment of time. i don't feel like getting into this conflict for the moment.
hmm... 1st gen..., the pre-form of Kangaskan does sound cool, and i've been wondering if they'd involve it anytime soon. and more evos for Jynx, Pinsir, Lapras, and Mr.Mime is also a good idea.
in the 2nd gen.., can't really think of many but Skarmory, Dunsparce, Qwilfish, and Wobuffet. If Skarmory was to get a evo form, that'd be really sweat. And considering Dunsparce and Qwilfish, definetly need evolved forms.
for the 3rd, can definetly name a few. Mawile needs either a pre or evo form, one of these two should make it a bit more popular. And i agree about Luvdisc fo sho. Sabelye, Torkoal, Spinda, Hairyama(is that it?), Tropius, Absol, and Kecleon could use evo's as well.
I wouldn't say that Dunsparce and Qwilfish really need evos, they're already pretty deadly under the right circumstances.
Quote from: Cornwad on June 09, 2010, 03:37:10 AM
I wouldn't say that Dunsparce and Qwilfish really need evos, they're already pretty deadly under the right circumstances.
Thanks to their abilities and movepools, yes, but they suck in the stats department.
People keep saying Lapras should have evos... I'm not too keen on that personally. It's just that, Lapras has always had that legendary feel; it was impossibly rare in its first game, and it didn't have evos because that would only detract from how special it was. Plus, it's stats and movepool are at that point where any higher would seem overpowered while any lower might not be worth anything. Granted, I felt the same way about Snorlax and he got a prevo anyway... just an opinion.
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Delibird...
That is all....
Quote from: Magnum on June 09, 2010, 10:14:30 AM
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Delibird...
That is all....
I believe it was only made as a novelty, to abuse its Present attack (since it can learn nothing else upon level-up)
It was meant to suck.
Quote from: Mewtwo on June 09, 2010, 08:29:03 AM
Thanks to their abilities and movepools, yes, but they suck in the stats department.
No way, Qwilfish is deadly as long as there's rain, good stats wouldn't change that. Dunsparce has bad stats, but they're good enough to help him compete and if he had anymore he would be broken. You can already kill anything with a decent chance at not getting any damage.
Quote from: Cornwad on June 09, 2010, 12:39:36 PM
No way, Qwilfish is deadly as long as there's rain, good stats wouldn't change that. Dunsparce has bad stats, but they're good enough to help him compete and if he had anymore he would be broken. You can already kill anything with a decent chance at not getting any damage.
Key phrase on Qwilfish is "as long as there's rain." Like I said earlier, he needs his ability; sure, he isn't 100% useless with a 95 Attack and 85 Speed, but stats and movepool alone would make him even worse than Raichu.
Abilities should always count. A lot of really good pokemon wouldn't be so good without their abilities.
My last mention of this topic (unless someone replies, then I may reply back): You can believe all you want, but if Kanga gets a Roo (Winnie the Pooh joke), it won't evolve into Cubone. I can guarantee it. I don't need facts and stats, with all these arguments we can tell that they aren't very helpful sources anyway, to me it's common sense, to you it's not, either way, it won't happen. I admit your facts and stuff is impressive, and it actually sounds interesting and sorta cool, but it will not happen.
Also, that Digglet pic is dumb, it's not a tooth, 3D games make that obvious, it's his nose. First glance after mentioned makes it seem so true, but it's not.
Lapras shouldn't get an evo.
Along with Eevee, I think Tyrogue should get a new evo, obviously fighting type. I also think along with that should be some female only fighting Poké that's basically paired with the Tyrogue family, just to give it a mother. The mother would be like impossible to get through breeding though, it would only lay Tyrogue eggs, which are all Male. Just a thought.
And what's with you guys and all these single Pokés getting evos? Soon it seems there's gonna be no Poké that is an island in itself, they all have to have some Pokémon family member (excluding legendaries).
Quote from: JrDude φ on June 09, 2010, 01:58:39 PM
My last mention of this topic (unless someone replies, then I may reply back): You can believe all you want, but if Kanga gets a Roo (Winnie the Pooh joke), it won't evolve into Cubone. I can guarantee it. I don't need facts and stats, with all these arguments we can tell that they aren't very helpful sources anyway, to me it's common sense, to you it's not, either way, it won't happen. I admit your facts and stuff is impressive, and it actually sounds interesting and sorta cool, but it will not happen.
Also, that Digglet pic is dumb, it's not a tooth, 3D games make that obvious, it's his nose. First glance after mentioned makes it seem so true, but it's not.
Lapras shouldn't get an evo.
Along with Eevee, I think Tyrogue should get a new evo, obviously fighting type. I also think along with that should be some female only fighting Poké that's basically paired with the Tyrogue family, just to give it a mother. The mother would be like impossible to get through breeding though, it would only lay Tyrogue eggs, which are all Male. Just a thought.
And what's with you guys and all these single Pokés getting evos? Soon it seems there's gonna be no Poké that is an island in itself, they all have to have some Pokémon family member (excluding legendaries).
On your last note, GameFreak actually made some single-evo pokemon usable, like Absol, Lapras, and Seviper (who isn't used only due to being outclassed, but its stats and moves really aren't horrible. They're average, but they don't suck.)
Rhydon didn't need an evo.
Porygon2 didn't really need one either.
Sneasel? Meh, Weavile is so overused I wish that Sneasel was just left alone.
etc. etc. etc.
And for once, I agree with you. this whole CuboneKhan thing is like when those immature, bratty little kids are all "MEWTWO IS THE BEST POGEYMAN NO ONE CAN BEAT IT DERPHURR" I mean seriously.
"LETS HAVE THREE TYPES PER POGEYMAN OKAY"
"THERE SHOULD BE LIKE A MEGA TYPE THAT BEATS EVERYTHING"
"WHAT IF MEWTWO EVOLVED HERP"
Seriously, get it through your head. It is not happening. You guys sound very immature, in fact when I hear those snot-nosed brats talking about that poop it almost hurts me inside, to think people really are that stupid. Even when I walk up and confront one.
"Guys there is no 'Mega type' and there never will be."
"NOOOOOOOO MY FRIEND AIDEN TOLD ME THERE IS"
"It's possible to beat a Mewtwo."
"NOOOOOOO NOT IF YOU USE PIH-SIKIK" (because have you heard some kids try to pronounce "Psychic"? Rather amusing, actually.
But I digress.
That's right, Zorua, show how mature you are compared to Cubokhan fans by calling them names and using "quotes" with terrible grammar and spelling. :|
It may seem very unlikely, but there are at least enough bits of evidence for some people to believe it, and almost all posters on this current discussion have been very civil about it by supplying more evidence or simply leaving it at "I don't believe you, I'm going to move on." Now, the fact that this discussion has derailed the thread may initially almost justify your anger, but the fact that you continue to fuel the discussion by throwing in these insults eliminates that possibility.
Quote from: Zorua on June 09, 2010, 02:12:40 PM
You guys sound very immature
As do you then. Just about everyone in the argument has been using the same amount of maturity, the fact that they disagree with you makes them seem more immature because you are immature, if that made sense.
Quote from: Mewtwo on June 09, 2010, 02:38:39 PM
That's right, Zorua, show how mature you are compared to Cubokhan fans by calling them names and using "quotes" with terrible grammar and spelling. :|
Well, apparently you didn't read my post at all. Otherwise, you would have known that I was referring to the annoying little 9-and-10-year-olds who follow you around in the park, etc. trying to teach you poop about a pokemon game. I was trying to throw a hook by showing you all what you guys remind me of, because you're sounding a lot like those snotty little kids to me.
Excuse me if you didn't read my entire post, but I can't be the one to blame about that.
That has nothing to do with the secret of Cubone. Little kids aren't mature enough to understand. They would point out how the skull is a little too big and how Cubone is a different type than Kanghaskan. Of course, being little kids they would be wrong.
You're both acting like little brats, now shut up.
Quote from: JrDude φ on June 10, 2010, 03:46:35 AM
You're both acting like little brats, now shut up.
I know you are, but what am I?
Quote from: Cornwad on June 10, 2010, 03:51:21 AM
I know you are, but what am I?
For your advanced logic and dedication to the art of debate, I hereby award you with the Internet for the rest of the day.
I don't really feel like prolonging this debate or the religious undertones I see in it, so I'll just propose we end the Cubone/Kangaskhan discussion. Also, a certain person should remember that uncivil behavior does violate the rules of the Olympics and are grounds for disqualification.
With that said, I wonder if Pikachu will see any changes this generation. 1st Gen had Surf and Fly, 2nd Gen had Pichu, 3rd Gen had Light Ball and Volt Tackle, and 4th Gen (a bit of a stretch) introduced heart-tail females and a change to Light Ball. I kind of hope Pikachu gains an alternate evo like Poliwhirl did; Raichu's cute and all, but it's kind of more useless than Pikachu.
Quote from: Rius on June 10, 2010, 04:26:30 PM
I don't really feel like prolonging this debate or the religious undertones I see in it, so I'll just propose we end the Cubone/Kangaskhan discussion. Also, a certain person should remember that uncivil behavior does violate the rules of the Olympics and are grounds for disqualification.
With that said, I wonder if Pikachu will see any changes this generation. 1st Gen had Surf and Fly, 2nd Gen had Pichu, 3rd Gen had Light Ball and Volt Tackle, and 4th Gen (a bit of a stretch) introduced heart-tail females and a change to Light Ball. I kind of hope Pikachu gains an alternate evo like Poliwhirl did; Raichu's cute and all, but it's kind of more useless than Pikachu.
lolwut
Anyway, that alternate evo idea sounds interesting. I suppose it would help make the Pika family halfway useful, but I don't know if they would... I mean, this is
Pikachu we're talking about. Sure, we got Pichu, but after... what, 10 years, it seems kinda odd that they would do something like this to the mascot.
Quote from: Mewtwo on June 10, 2010, 04:31:42 PM
Anyway, that alternate evo idea sounds interesting. I suppose it would help make the Pika family halfway useful, but I don't know if they would... I mean, this is Pikachu we're talking about. Sure, we got Pichu, but after... what, 10 years, it seems kinda odd that they would do something like this to the mascot.
I agree. Giving Pikachu an alternate evolution would look out of place, unless they start giving Pokemon a third evolution...which will not happen.
I highly doubt Pikachu would get a new evo, but I seriously hope they do something to it. Maybe give it a new ability or something. On the other hand, weirder things have happened. (Magneton and Rhydon getting evos)
Quote from: Rius on June 10, 2010, 04:42:35 PM
I highly doubt Pikachu would get a new evo, but I seriously hope they do something to it. Maybe give it a new ability or something. On the other hand, weirder things have happened. (Magneton and Rhydon getting evos)
Yeah, I definitely didn't see Rhyperior coming. What's worse... he doesn't look as cool. :(
i don't want any evos related to pre-existing pokemon in the 5th gen exept for evee. i doubt it though.
haven't they already intercourse ed enough pokemon (Rhydon along with many others?
Rhyperior looks much better than Rhydon, I don't know what you guys are talking about. Rhydon looks like an evil elf with those ears. I don't like Electrivire and Magmorter's designs though. Most of the new evos looked pretty good in my opinion, especially ones like Tangrowth.
What the intercourse ? Seriously?
Tangrowth is complete poop. Rhyperior is alright but Tangrowth is terrible.
What else would you make a Tangela evolution look like?
Quote from: Cornwad on June 10, 2010, 06:07:09 PM
What else would you make a Tangela evolution look like?
Nothing, that's what. I don't know about you, but I was more than ready to let Tangela fade off into the distance. I was kinda hoping for a Lickitung evo, but Lickilicky was pretty disappointing visually.
Yeah, Lickilicky is another one of the horrendous evos. I think Tangela needed one. It's pretty much the only grass type without one.
I just looked up Rhyperior.
My immediate reaction was simply: WTF?!
Quote from: Java on June 10, 2010, 06:23:13 PM
I just looked up Rhyperior.
My immediate reaction was simply: WTF?!
You'd never seen him?
Quote from: Mewtwo on June 10, 2010, 06:25:46 PM
You'd never seen him?
I lost interest in Pokemon when the 4th generation came out, so I'm not very familiar with many of the Pokemon that came out then.
Quote from: Java on June 10, 2010, 06:32:01 PM
I lost interest in Pokemon when the 4th generation came out, so I'm not very familiar with many of the Pokemon that came out then.
I personally think it's better than 3rd gen, but I guess I can't really blame you.
i thought the 3 gen was way better than 4. the only ones from 4 that i really like are leafeon, gliscor, and milotic and i think thats it. 3 had some cool legendaries.
Yeah, 4th gen Pokemon design was terrible compared to 3. Groudon, Kyogre, and Rayquaza are some of the best designed legendaries in my opinion, definitely better than all of the ones in DP.
Quote from: tibar21 on June 10, 2010, 08:02:38 PM
i thought the 3 gen was way better than 4. the only ones from 4 that i really like are leafeon, gliscor, and milotic and i think thats it. 3 had some cool legendaries.
Milotic was 3rd gen. I guess that's all the more reason to like 3 better, though.
Quote from: Cornwad on June 10, 2010, 06:13:55 PM
Yeah, Lickilicky is another one of the horrendous evos. I think Tangela needed one. It's pretty much the only grass type without one.
It's a mass of vines. The only thing they could do really is make it a larger mass of vines, which they did, and it ended up looking like crap.
Quote from: Mewtwo on June 10, 2010, 07:04:50 PM
I personally think it's better than 3rd gen, but I guess I can't really blame you.
I'm actually getting back into the series, as seen by the topic I made not too long ago and by my avatar. I started playing SoulSilver today. Brought back some good memories. I don't know if I'll ever get around to buying Diamond, Pearl, or Platinum though.
Quote from: Java on June 10, 2010, 09:19:40 PM
I'm actually getting back into the series, as seen by the topic I made not too long ago and by my avatar. I started playing SoulSilver today. Brought back some good memories. I don't know if I'll ever get around to buying Diamond, Pearl, or Platinum though.
Eh, I don't know if that counts; 2nd gen is far better than 4th anyway, and now you have it with higher specs than the Sinnoh games anyway. :P
More Eeveelutions please.
As far as Evos/Pre/Alts go, I'd rather try to come up with more original ones. Hell, most of the Gen 1 (minus legendaries) have an evo of some kind anyway, we don't need more...
Frankly I think Electrivire, Lickylicky, etc. were just being lazy or an ass pull, but that's just my opinion.