A totally awesome art book/encyclopedia for Zelda is available in Japan now (come to America now, please), and in it is the long-awaited timeline. This is it: the order in which the Zelda games take place.
1. Skyward Sword
2. The Minish Cap
3. Four Swords
4. Ocarina of Time
Post-Ocarina Timeline A: Game Over Ending: Link fails to stop Ganondorf (so a "what-if" scenario, not Ocarina's real ending)
5A. A Link to the Past
6A. Oracle of Seasons
7A. Oracle of Ages
8A. Link's Awakening
9A. The Legend of Zelda
10A. The Adventure of Link
Post-Ocarina Timeline B: Child Ending: Zelda sends Link back to his childhood, where he makes sure the horrible future never happens
5B. Majora's Mask
6B. Twilight Princess
7B. Four Sword Adventures
Post-Ocarina Timeline C: Adult Ending: The future after Ganon is sealed, where Link doesn't exist because Zelda sent him back to his past
5C. The Wind Waker
6C. Phantom Hourglass
7C. Spirit Tracks
Enjoy.
>ALTTP / Oracles / Awakening / LoZ didn't happen, but PH and ST did.
So, how "official" is this, and how retarded are the people who wrote it?
There's no way that's accurate.
Quote from: The Riddler on December 23, 2011, 06:28:41 PM
>ALTTP / Oracles / Awakening / LoZ didn't happen, but PH and ST did.
So, how "official" is this, and how retarded are the people who wrote it?
There's no way that's accurate.
This is accurate; the book comes straight from Nintendo of Japan (http://www.nintendo.co.jp/zelda25th/guidebook/index.html), and multiple sites have translated it to find this exact timeline.
And what's so "retarded" about it? There aren't any contradictions, and they can still make new games on any of the four parts if they want. This is the actual order in which the games take place; no point in getting into denial just because the better 2D games are an alternate universe.
In fact, believe it or not, this isn't even a new idea; Miyamoto said long ago that OoT was a prequel to ALttP, and so, when TWW came out and claimed that spot on the Adult Timeline, theorists started coming up with the idea that the 2D games were an alternate universe. Heck, EVERY placement on this timeline has been previously thought of thousands of times before; the only thing even moderately surprising to me is that FSA isn't right after FS, since most theorists thought that those were the same Link.
Quote from: Delibird on December 23, 2011, 06:39:41 PM
This is accurate; the book comes straight from Nintendo of Japan (http://www.nintendo.co.jp/zelda25th/guidebook/index.html), and multiple sites have translated it to find this exact timeline.
And what's so "retarded" about it? There aren't any contradictions, and they can still make new games on any of the four parts if they want. This is the actual order in which the games take place; no point in getting into denial just because the better 2D games are an alternate universe.
it feels like it was just thrown together for the sake of having a timeline.
how the hell can you say the original game never happened?
Everything is based off of Ocarina of Time, huh? I always thought the original Zelda was the last part of the timeline.
They are just exploring three separate timelines based on the outcome of one event. I wonder if they will revise this, or if Skyward Sword will always be the first. I kind of want to see one set during one of the wars in Hyrule, I wonder where those fit in.
Quote from: The Riddler on December 23, 2011, 06:46:26 PM
it feels like it was just thrown together for the sake of having a timeline.
this is exactly what it is.
either every game (with the exception of direct sequels) is a retelling of the same story, or every couple of years a new link pops up, completes the same quest as the last link, and contributes his chapter to a growing yet constant legend. is either case the order is and always has been completely irrelevant.
nintendo, for whatever reason, saw fit to tell fans for years that this was not the case and there was a definite continuity. when they realized they could no longer keep up this facade, they threw this poop together in an attempt to shut up the fans. (also marketing etc etc)
Quote from: zephilicious on December 23, 2011, 06:56:24 PM
this is exactly what it is.
either every game (with the exception of direct sequels) is a retelling of the same story, or every couple of years a new link pops up, completes the same quest as the last link, and contributes his chapter to a growing yet constant legend. is either case the order is and always has been completely irrelevant.
nintendo, for whatever reason, saw fit to tell fans for years that this was not the case and there was a definite continuity. when they realized they could no longer keep up this facade, they threw this poop together in an attempt to shut up the fans. (also marketing etc etc)
Err, no. EVERY game since THE ADVENTURE OF LINK has come with Miyamoto or Aonuma explaining how it connects to some other game; there has always been
an order, even if it wasn't planned out from the beginning. In fact, EVERY placement on this official timeline can be linked back to some previous quote in which they connected one game to another.
Miyamoto and Aonuma, the game's creators, have ALWAYS said there was a timeline; they just didn't think it a big deal, so they built it as they went along, and there is documented proof of that in dozens of past interviews. Was the timeline sloppily built? Yes. Is it terribly relevant? No. But it wasn't just made up for this book.
Skyward Sword was created as a prequel to Ocarina of Time, which was created as a prequel to A Link to the Past, which was created as a prequel to The Legend of Zelda, which The Adventure of Link was created as the sequel to.
Oracle of Seasons and Oracle of Ages were created as prequels to Link's Awakening, which was created to take place some time after A Link to the Past.
Four Swords was called by Aonuma "the oldest tale in the series" when it was made, after which Four Swords Adventures was created as a sequel and The Minish Cap was created as a prequel.
Majora's Mask was created as a sequel to Ocarina of Time, and Twilight Princess was created as a sequel to Majora's Mask.
The Wind Waker was created as a sequel to Ocarina of Time, and Phantom Hourglass was created as a sequel to The Wind Waker, and Spirit Tracks was created as a sequel to Phantom Hourglass.
The only people who say "there's no timeline" are people who never bothered to check with
Nintendo.
this is exactly what I said in my last statement and you are the fans i am talking about.
The timeline says "failed" but I doubt it's literally a game over. It could just be a general failure of the Hero of Time to actually defeat Ganon for whatever the reason. I think there's some speculation that there's actually just a split that causes Link to vanish from that timeline or something.
The "game over" bit just sounds retarded, because that could apply to any Link and we could have offshoots for every possible opportunity for failure.
I'm looking at it the same way you look at Marvel and DC: there are infinite parallel universes. This timeline would show two universes that were exactly the same until Ocarina of Time, where Link was killed by Ganon in one and won in the other. Then of course there's the split timeline, where the Link that won is sent to his past, creating a new universe, totaling in 3 by the end.
I don't like the concept of Link being killed by Ganon in any timeline. Where the intercourse is there canon evidence of Link ever losing? The whole "failed" timeline is horsepoop.
Maybe it's actually failing to save Termina from the Moon falling, since that can actually happen within the game with cutscenes and whatnot.
Quote from: JrDude 益 on December 25, 2011, 12:31:15 AM
Maybe it's actually failing to save Termina from the Moon falling, since that can actually happen within the game with cutscenes and whatnot.
it says specifically it's if link loses to ganondorf in OoT
jesus you all care way too much about this sort of thing
Quote from: Bearissoslow on December 25, 2011, 01:03:58 AM
jesus you all care way too much about this sort of thing
nintendo made it official that LoZ, ALttP, both Oracle Games, and Links Awakening "never happened"
:|
What about all the kids who first picked up OoT and got to the final boss and could never win? What about those people?
Probably won't happen, but I think the next game should be a prequel to Link to the past, sequel to OoT where Link loses, and it goes into the history of Link losing (Like in Wind Waker's beginning cutscene, except loser)
Quote from: The Riddler on December 25, 2011, 01:05:28 AM
nintendo made it official that LoZ, ALttP, both Oracle Games, and Links Awakening "never happened"
:|
technically links awakening was always a dream and never happened
Plenty of people have had a Game Over screen at Ocarina's final boss. Plus, even if it didn't happen in-game, plenty of stuff happens off-screen in this series, most notably Ganon being revived between games.
Also, since the ORIGINAL games are in that "Downfall" timeline, that technically means that the 3D games "never happened." And again, if you think about it in terms of universes, it ALL happened, just in different universes, with the one where Link loses being "Prime" since that's where the first game is.
uh wait a second
I remember during the wait for Twilight Princess the previews kept saying that it took place after the flood in Wind Waker, after Hyrule was restored. I remember people in-game mentioning the great flood.
I could be wrong about the last one, but I definitely remember the previews stating this.
I'm with Riddler and Zeph on this. Seems like it was really just thrown together without any real thought.
Quote from: Michio Kaku on December 25, 2011, 06:43:26 PM
uh wait a second
I remember during the wait for Twilight Princess the previews kept saying that it took place after the flood in Wind Waker, after Hyrule was restored. I remember people in-game mentioning the great flood.
I could be wrong about the last one, but I definitely remember the previews stating this.
I'm with Riddler and Zeph on this. Seems like it was really just thrown together without any real thought.
That was just an idea tossed around during development. It's been confirmed as a MM sequel for YEARS.
Quote from: Delibird on December 25, 2011, 07:38:57 PM
That was just an idea tossed around during development. It's been confirmed as a MM sequel for YEARS.
this only further supports my claim. the timeline is irrelevant until the fans ask about it.
Quote from: zephilicious on December 25, 2011, 03:23:32 AM
technically links awakening was always a dream and never happened
Fair.
Quote from: Delibird on December 25, 2011, 07:55:24 AM
Plenty of people have had a Game Over screen at Ocarina's final boss.
Terrible terrible terrible terrible terrible terrible terrible excuse to justify a "failure" timeline. And you know that darn well. If you honestly believe that's a good justification you're retarded.
There is non canonical failure for Link. The logic you're using here means that any time the player fails, a new universe begins.
Fuck that.
Quote from: The Riddler on December 25, 2011, 01:05:28 AM
nintendo made it official that LoZ, ALttP, both Oracle Games, and Links Awakening "never happened"
:|
yeah there is no god etc. etc.
Sometimes I wish Wind Waker never happened.
Anyways, while you're all arguing about the order they came in, I'll be over here playing... not caring...
Quote from: The Riddler on December 26, 2011, 12:39:10 AM
Fair.
Terrible terrible terrible terrible terrible terrible terrible excuse to justify a "failure" timeline. And you know that darn well. If you honestly believe that's a good justification you're retarded.
There is non canonical failure for Link. The logic you're using here means that any time the player fails, a new universe begins.
Fuck that.
Well, it's canonical now, I guess. Also, who says it has to be in a game to be canon? It's just an off-screen event between Four Swords and A Link to the Past as far as I'm concerned.
Quote from: zephilicious on December 25, 2011, 11:16:26 PM
this only further supports my claim. the timeline is irrelevant until the fans ask about it.
Fans didn't ask, it was announced, because it was decided while the game was still in development. It's placement after Majora's Mask is entirely relevant, too; the whole reason Ganondorf is "executed" in TP's backstory is because he invaded Hyrule but was stopped before reaching the Sacred Realm, which is
exactly what would happen on the Child Timeline since, at the end of Ocarina of Time, Link was sent there with all the knowledge of the Adult Timeline before Ganondorf's invasion had begun. It's
in-game canonization ala Majora's Mask, The Wind Waker, and Skyward Sword.
Here's the timeline with a bit more detail. Maybe it'll clear some things up.
[spoiler](http://cache.gawkerassets.com/assets/images/9/2011/12/29631a766f1537530abc0ec5e6d15515.jpg)[/spoiler]
Quote from: Snowflake Mona on December 27, 2011, 05:05:40 PM
Here's the timeline with a bit more detail. Maybe it'll clear some things up.
[spoiler](http://cache.gawkerassets.com/assets/images/9/2011/12/29631a766f1537530abc0ec5e6d15515.jpg)[/spoiler]
Hero is defeated, but Ganon still gets revived in ALttP? what? I hope that "Sealing War" is what explains that.
Quote from: Michio Kaku on December 27, 2011, 06:21:36 PM
Hero is defeated, but Ganon still gets revived in ALttP? what? I hope that "Sealing War" is what explains that.
Yes; the "Sealing War" is the backstory to ALttP, where Ganon had the Triforce, but there was no hero to wield the Master Sword, so the six sages sealed him away with the help of the Knights of Hyrule.
Quote from: Delibird on December 27, 2011, 10:57:45 PM
Yes; the "Sealing War" is the backstory to ALttP, where Ganon had the Triforce, but there was no hero to wield the Master Sword, so the six sages sealed him away with the help of the Knights of Hyrule.
right
I've been watching a few videos and apparently this translation might be partially incorrect. I've heard several people say that the third timeline was when Link draws the Master Sword and vanishes forever, and that is the "Doomed" timeline. Then there's one where Link is sent back in time by Zelda. Then there's Young Link who was sent, not to the past, but to an alternate past. I explained it badly, but that's what I've heard. Is it right? I dunno.
Quote from: JrDude 益 on January 02, 2012, 01:14:29 AM
I've been watching a few videos and apparently this translation might be partially incorrect. I've heard several people say that the third timeline was when Link draws the Master Sword and vanishes forever, and that is the "Doomed" timeline. Then there's one where Link is sent back in time by Zelda. Then there's Young Link who was sent, not to the past, but to an alternate past. I explained it badly, but that's what I've heard. Is it right? I dunno.
That does make a little more sense then Link failing.
Whatever. I'm okay with this timeline so everyone shuts up.
This is how it makes sense to my brain:
The "Doomed" Timeline is created when you do the Spirit Temple. Normally, throughout your adventure, you are without the Silver Gauntlets. And if you were to have done the kid spirit temple thing already, you would automatically have them at the start of your adult adventure, but you don't. In fact, The Windmill part DID always happen, as the Windmill guy tells you of what you did, before you did it (so the Windmill part isn't changing your past at all. Just thought I'd clear that up). So, I think when Link goes back in Time after learning the song from the Spirit Temple, Requiem of Spirit, Link vanishes, never to be seen again within that timeline, because after that you go back to the past and get the Silver Gauntlets, you are in an alternate future, where Link has always had the Silver gauntlets.
Quote from: JrDude 益 on January 02, 2012, 11:17:47 AM
This is how it makes sense to my brain:
The "Doomed" Timeline is created when you do the Spirit Temple. Normally, throughout your adventure, you are without the Silver Gauntlets. And if you were to have done the kid spirit temple thing already, you would automatically have them at the start of your adult adventure, but you don't. In fact, The Windmill part DID always happen, as the Windmill guy tells you of what you did, before you did it (so the Windmill part isn't changing your past at all. Just thought I'd clear that up). So, I think when Link goes back in Time after learning the song from the Spirit Temple, Requiem of Spirit, Link vanishes, never to be seen again within that timeline, because after that you go back to the past and get the Silver Gauntlets, you are in an alternate future, where Link has always had the Silver gauntlets.
Basically this, except the "Doomed" Timeline (probably better reffered to as Ganondorf wins rather than Link loses) is really all of those timelines that are made when you go back in time.
Quote from: JrDude 益 on January 02, 2012, 11:17:47 AM
This is how it makes sense to my brain:
The "Doomed" Timeline is created when you do the Spirit Temple. Normally, throughout your adventure, you are without the Silver Gauntlets. And if you were to have done the kid spirit temple thing already, you would automatically have them at the start of your adult adventure, but you don't. In fact, The Windmill part DID always happen, as the Windmill guy tells you of what you did, before you did it (so the Windmill part isn't changing your past at all. Just thought I'd clear that up). So, I think when Link goes back in Time after learning the song from the Spirit Temple, Requiem of Spirit, Link vanishes, never to be seen again within that timeline, because after that you go back to the past and get the Silver Gauntlets, you are in an alternate future, where Link has always had the Silver gauntlets.
In other words... PIME TARADOX
The doomed timeline isn't because Link drew the Master Sword and "vanished forever", that's linear and should be obvious. He didn't vanish forever, he basically was frozen/asleep in time for 7 years then went on to fight Ganondorf and win.
The failure timeline is a crock of poop.
Quote from: The Riddler on January 02, 2012, 04:39:47 PM
The doomed timeline isn't because Link drew the Master Sword and "vanished forever", that's linear and should be obvious. He didn't vanish forever, he basically was frozen/asleep in time for 7 years then went on to fight Ganondorf and win.
The failure timeline is a crock of poop.
For some reason I pictured you exactly bringing that up, Rob, which is why I made a follow up post on how it makes sense to me.
which also makes no sense as there are at least a dozen items that travel back and forth in time with you.
and of course ocarina is far from the only game in the series to feature time travel
Hey, the whole time I thought Nintendo sucked at Time logic, but now that I find out it wants to makes sense in one part (maybe), I'm willing to defend it. Is it gonna be completely logical? Absolutely not. But besides unimportant items that do nothing, the only argument I can see is the Lens of Truth, which is never taken out, so for this case, I'm saying is an ability to see the truth with Magic, not use of an actual lens. Or maybe it was in his pocket, but he didn't know how to use it's magic until he obtained it in reality.
Regardless of whether you want it to be true or not, is it at least "better" than Ganondorf killing Link?
Quote from: JrDude 益 on January 03, 2012, 03:16:18 AM
Hey, the whole time I thought Nintendo sucked at Time logic, but now that I find out it wants to makes sense in one part (maybe), I'm willing to defend it. Is it gonna be completely logical? Absolutely not. But besides unimportant items that do nothing, the only argument I can see is the Lens of Truth, which is never taken out, so for this case, I'm saying is an ability to see the truth with Magic, not use of an actual lens. Or maybe it was in his pocket, but he didn't know how to use it's magic until he obtained it in reality.
Regardless of whether you want it to be true or not, is it at least "better" than Ganondorf killing Link?
it's not better, because it's just grasping at straws
this timeline is a crock of poop there is no justifying it other than this simple fact:
Nintendo threw it together to make fans shut up.
Proof of it just being thrown together is in the contradictions of past interviews.
"Ocarina of Time is the first story, then the original Legend of Zelda, then Zelda II: The Adventure of Link, and finally A Link to the Past." —Shigeru Miyamoto (1998 Nintendo Power Interview)
I'm sure there are others.
Quote from: The Riddler on January 03, 2012, 03:17:43 AM
it's not better, because it's just grasping at straws
this timeline is a crock of poop there is no justifying it other than this simple fact:
Nintendo threw it together to make fans shut up.
If they just wanted to make fans shut up, they wouldnt have added a third split in the timeline, as no one ever guessed that, like, ever. So it would obviously cause MORE talk, rather than shut anyone at all up.
Also, that other thing doesn't count, that's an alternate time.
Quote from: JrDude 益 on January 03, 2012, 04:50:57 AM
If they just wanted to make fans shut up, they wouldnt have added a third split in the timeline, as no one ever guessed that, like, ever. So it would obviously cause MORE talk, rather than shut anyone at all up.
Also, that other thing doesn't count, that's an alternate time.
You completely miss the point. Fans begged for a timeline.
Nintendo threw it together randomly to give it to them.
And according to this timeline, OoT is the last game before the split, then ALttP, LoZ, and AoL.
According to Shiggy's quote, ALttP is supposed to be after it the other two, not before it.
Apparently the Hyrule Hystoria doesn't just list the games' order, it has some more specific details, and is being translated by fans as we speak.
Some interesting points:
The timeline with the old games is not a split caused by time travel, it is in fact an alternate timeline where the Ocarina of Time Link was killed in the final battle with Ganon.
Also, the Hero's Shade, the ghost that teaches Link moves in Twilight Princess, is confirmed to be the ghost of Ocarina of Time's Link. So, I guess that means we have now seen a Link talk in full sentences...
Lotsa cool concept art too, like what Ganondorf might have looked like in the Oracles (huge pointy collar and curly-toed shoes); I hope this book comes to America so I can check those out myself.
Quote from: The Riddler on January 03, 2012, 03:23:51 AM
Proof of it just being thrown together is in the contradictions of past interviews.
"Ocarina of Time is the first story, then the original Legend of Zelda, then Zelda II: The Adventure of Link, and finally A Link to the Past." —Shigeru Miyamoto (1998 Nintendo Power Interview)
I'm sure there are others.
In 1999 a Japanese magazine interviewed Miyamoto and he stated that OoT was first and ALttP was second, an interview which we still have the original Japanese quote of, unlike the NP one where we have nothing but NP's word. That NP interview and the fact that it was a mistranslation is decade-old news.
Also, I'm not sure why people are still making a big deal about the Official Timeline. Even IF Aonuma had made it up at the last second (which has been factually proven not to be the case), that wouldn't change how official the timeline is. And SO WHAT if the old games take place in another universe? That doesn't affect how important they are to the player or how they've defined the series or even how much they mean to the continuity (the fact that they are on the timeline means that their alternate universe is no less important than the others; TONS of important events happen off-screen, and what happened between FS and ALttP is just another one of those). The timeline is official according to Nintendo itself and Aonuma, and that's that; this isn't a debate about someone's opinion. All the complaining in the world won't change it, and the sooner people accept it and move on, the sooner they can get back to loving/hating the games for what they really are.
Quote from: Delibird on January 03, 2012, 12:12:09 PM
The timeline with the old games is not a split caused by time travel, it is in fact an alternate timeline where the Ocarina of Time Link was killed in the final battle with Ganon.
Horsepoop.
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Also, the Hero's Shade, the ghost that teaches Link moves in Twilight Princess, is confirmed to be the ghost of Ocarina of Time's Link. So, I guess that means we have now seen a Link talk in full sentences...
Let's make poop up while we're at it.
The thing with media is that it needs to be canonized somewhere for it to be taken seriously. Link wasn't defeated by Ganondorf, that's a cop-out to split a timeline they themselves can't figure out.
IIRC Nowhere in the game do they even HINT that that's OoT Link. There is no external media that could canonize it either, as far as I know.
I get the "creator is god" thing, but it takes so much away from the Zelda universe when they make random bullpoop up that way. If they were to go more in depth in a game then we can't take it seriously.
Are you dense? It was heavily hinted at. Howling OoT/MM songs, and he talks to you about being a hero and a descendent and the Triforce of Courage. The whole The Hero's Shade = OoT Link debate has been around since shortly after the game came out.
http://www.zeldauniverse.net/zelda-news/hyrule-historia-reveals-oot-links-cameo-in-twilight-princess/
Also I think you're making far too big of a deal out of the "Link is defeated" timeline poop. :U
It was the intercourse ing 80's and early 90's. They didn't really care about the plot that much. Obviously the earlier games (and OoA/OoS, being they were made to fit in with ALttP and LA) won't fit well with the newer games actually designed to be strung together.
the problem with that theory is that the zora have ultimately given a historical background that dictates this is false (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kZwhNFOn4ik)
Quote from: Bearissoslow on January 03, 2012, 04:04:56 PM
the problem with that theory is that the zora have ultimately given a historical background that dictates this is false (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kZwhNFOn4ik)
That is some pretty darning evidence you have there...
Quote from: Bearissoslow on January 03, 2012, 04:04:56 PM
the problem with that theory is that the zora have ultimately given a historical background that dictates this is false (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kZwhNFOn4ik)
welp
I lose
I lost so hard
intercourse you bear
So, MOST of the timeline details (they go into it in details, not just listing them) are translated now, and we can now divide the games to know just how many Links there have been so far.
1. Skyward Sword
2. The Minish Cap
3. Four Swords
4. Ocarina of Time/Majora's Mask
5. A Link to the Past/Oracle of Seasons/Oracle of Ages/Link's Awakening
6. The Legend of Zelda/Adventure of Link
7. Twilight Princess
8. Four Swords Adventures
9. The Wind Waker/Phantom Hourglass
10. Spirit Tracks
Ten! Ten Links! Ah Ah Ah!
We pretty much knew that before
Except FSA, because nobody knew where that was really supposed to go
With this, if it IS "Ganondorf kills Link," they should make a game where you play as Ganondorf, and kill Link in the end. Like, "Legend of Zelda: Ganondorf's Rise to Power" or something, or "Ocarina of Time II". I don't even care about the title, but I think it would be cool to play the enemy of the Zelda series, and since it might be canon that he wins in a timeline, then it gives them a good excuse to.
Quote from: JrDude 益 on January 11, 2012, 01:52:55 PM
With this, if it IS "Ganondorf kills Link," they should make a game where you play as Ganondorf, and kill Link in the end. Like, "Legend of Zelda: Ganondorf's Rise to Power" or something, or "Ocarina of Time II". I don't even care about the title, but I think it would be cool to play the enemy of the Zelda series, and since it might be canon that he wins in a timeline, then it gives them a good excuse to.
I'm surprised that they haven't done this yet, honestly. It would probably be a darker game than the rest of the series, but it would be interesting to say the least.
Quote from: JrDude 益 on January 11, 2012, 01:52:55 PM
With this, if it IS "Ganondorf kills Link," they should make a game where you play as Ganondorf, and kill Link in the end. Like, "Legend of Zelda: Ganondorf's Rise to Power" or something, or "Ocarina of Time II". I don't even care about the title, but I think it would be cool to play the enemy of the Zelda series, and since it might be canon that he wins in a timeline, then it gives them a good excuse to.
such a dark intercourse ing game
>OoT from Ganondorfs perspective.
Start as a Gerudo, the only male amongst hundreds of women. Live in poverty and harsh desert climates.
Ally with the King.
Secretly visit all known locations for the stones, poison the Deku Tree, leave monsters in Jabu Jabu, and cut off the food supply for the Gorons.
Betray the King.
Hunt down the Entrance to the Sacred Realm.
Take the Triforce.
Remove Malon and Talon from the ranch and give it to Ingo.
Conquer each of the dungeons as Link did but instead of killing bosses, capture them and make them your minions.
Fight Link at your tower
Go beast mode
Kill that ninny
>every puzzle is replaced with just kicking the asses of a poopload of enemies
Quote from: The Riddler on January 03, 2012, 03:55:19 PMLet's make poop up while we're at it.
IIRC Nowhere in the game do they even HINT that that's OoT Link. There is no external media that could canonize it either, as far as I know.
You need to play TP again. That was one of the theories from the very beginning. It's heavily hinted that he's either TP Link's ancestor or a past hero. I read that and wasn't even remotely surprised. I don't see how this could seem impossible to you.