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First thing I noticed was the logo is the DS logo with a 3 added.

So much for "a new line of handhelds." I knew it was a new DS.

It plays movies, it has 3D, it has an analogue control, it has motion sensing; it's a new console, dude.

But it's SO FREAKING SHINY... OMYGOSH IT'S KID FREAKING ICARUS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

(http://cache.gawkerassets.com/assets/images/9/2010/06/500x_phpqsqbbmimg_0087-w1000.jpg)

This better not be the only color.  If I had my way, it'd be like the GBA launch.  Three colors with a fourth one coming out soon after.

Oh look, they just showed a red 3DS.

I'm kind of disappointed with the slide pad.

That commercial they made was pretty awesome.

Also, Mario, Zelda, DK, and... Star Fox? Hm... Nintendo, are you hinting at something?

Quote from: Magnum on June 15, 2010, 10:17:44 AM
That commercial they made was pretty awesome.

Also, Mario, Zelda, DK, and... Star Fox? Hm... Nintendo, are you hinting at something?

there was a maximum tomato there as well

Quote from: SkyMyl on June 15, 2010, 10:06:53 AM
Oh look, they just showed a red 3DS.

I'm kind of disappointed with the slide pad.

I think it's a clever idea; I mean, they can't really fold a 3DS over a stick sticking out of the bottom half.

It also has motion sensitive controls and a gyroscope. I think the analog stick is called a touch pad. Does that mean it's like a laptop's touch pad, no tactile feedback?

But yeah, hopefully they have other colors. Oh, and the games are the size of CompactFlash cards, it's a new system.

Graphics look like a PS1 basically, so much for Cube/PS2 that were rumored. Nintendo still doesn't care about graphics.
Kid Icarus still looks good though.

I was so freaking relieved when Iwata showed the slider. You never HAVE to have 3D, so it's not CRAMMED down our throats like everything else is. THANK YOU IWATA. (hot glues the slider at zero 3D)

Screw the motion controls, I hate motion controls. It's not gonna work on a handheld.

Also, thank god for an analog stick.

My only complaint is that we really didn't see anything besides Kid Icarus. You mean to tell me you got a Batman game, Resident Evil, Metal Gear Solid, and an Assassin's Creed game being made, but don't SHOW anything? Ugh.

Quote from: Nayrman on June 15, 2010, 10:26:19 AM
My only complaint is that we really didn't see anything besides Kid Icarus. You mean to tell me you got a Batman game, Resident Evil, Metal Gear Solid, and an Assassin's Creed game being made, but don't SHOW anything? Ugh.

I know.  I really want a Batman game.  And MGS?  Hell yeah.

Quote from: Detective Conan on June 15, 2010, 09:59:23 AM
First thing I noticed was the logo is the DS logo with a 3 added.

So much for "a new line of handhelds." I knew it was a new DS.

Gameboy Advance.

Colors seem to be bluish, reddish and black/bluish.

Graphics looked pretty nice in Kid Icarus, so I want to see how other games look.

Quote from: Nayrman on June 15, 2010, 10:26:19 AM
Graphics look like a PS1 basically, so much for Cube/PS2 that were rumored. Nintendo still doesn't care about graphics.

Are you blind? That Kid Icarus game looks better than a intercourse ing Dreamcast game.

Quote from: Zero on June 15, 2010, 10:43:41 AM
Are you blind? That Kid Icarus game looks better than a intercourse ing Dreamcast game.

Did you not see the pixelation in the environments? Character models are nice, but it's not the Dreamcast quite yet.

Quote from: Nayrman on June 15, 2010, 10:46:08 AM
Did you not see the pixelation in the environments? Character models are nice, but it's not the Dreamcast quite yet.

PSP games had pixelization too. You're going to get that on a handheld no matter what. Obviously seeing as the character models kick ass we see at least what its capable of.

Throwing it on a higher def, giant TV might have added to the pixelation as well; it probably looks better in standard compressed form on the console itself.

As for the analogue, I'm fairly sure he called it a "slide pad" or something like that. What I imagine is a little square sticking up that can be slid around, allowing for analogue control but not actually being a stick.

Here's a list of 3DS titles:

(http://img38.imageshack.us/img38/1498/3ds2.jpg)

Paper Mario, Pilotwings Resort, Star Fox 64 3D, Chocobo Racing 3D, Kid Icarus, Sonic, Super Monkey Ball, Assassin's Creed, and Dead or Alive sound awesome.

The character ANIMATION looks amazing, but to be honest the graphics leave a bit to be desired. I really want to see it fully in action instead of a trailer. But we'll see.
The environments look kind of bland form a graphical speaking. Animation nice, graphical horsepower not so much.

Looks fun as hell to play though. Again, something that really stuck with me was the surprisingly good voice acting. Seriously, maybe Nintendo will actually start trying to bring their games into this century. Still no word on voices for the NPC's in Zelda though. Nintendo better not get lazy with that again...

Quote from: Tupin on June 15, 2010, 11:15:00 AM
Paper Mario, Pilotwings Resort, Star Fox 64 3D, Chocobo Racing 3D, Kid Icarus, Sonic, Super Monkey Ball, Assassin's Creed, and Dead or Alive sound awesome.

PAPER MARIO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Tupin, that's just half the list.
http://press.nintendo.com/E32010/3DS/FACT_E3_UpcomingGames_3DS.pdf
User: guest; password: nintendo

Though it's untranslated there, BOKUJOU MONOGATARI is Harvest Moon

Also:
(http://img405.imageshack.us/img405/6383/1276625140799.png)

Ignoring nayr's complaints about every single thing...I'm surprised Kung Fu Panda is still making games. Was the movie really good or was its games (very uncertainly) good?

Quote from: TheAuraWielder on June 15, 2010, 11:20:52 AM
Ignoring nayr's complaints about every single thing...I'm surprised Kung Fu Panda is still making games. Was the movie really good or was its games (very uncertainly) good?

If you would read my posts, you'd notice that my complaints and praises balance out. So NYEH.

Oh, and Star Fox and Paper Mario YES! Nintendo, SHOW THIS STUFF. One trailer won't do for your big system reveal. Eh, as long as they're being made, yay.

Quote from: bluaki on June 15, 2010, 11:20:34 AM
Tupin, that's just half the list.
http://press.nintendo.com/E32010/3DS/FACT_E3_UpcomingGames_3DS.pdf
User: guest; password: nintendo

Though it's untranslated there, BOKUJOU MONOGATARI is Harvest Moon

Also:
(http://img405.imageshack.us/img405/6383/1276625140799.png)

a Chain Chomp partner? hells yeah, so it's not a remake on the 64 one

Here's the first half of that list in image form:

(http://imgur.com/qZTSk.png)

Persona? Atlus wants to revive the Persona franchise in Nintendo. :)

Nintendo's site shows three colors for 3DS
[spoiler](http://e3.nintendo.com/images/ctr/hardware/black.jpg)(http://e3.nintendo.com/images/ctr/hardware/red.jpg)(http://e3.nintendo.com/images/ctr/hardware/blue.jpg)[/spoiler]

MGS: Snake Eater on 3DS:

http://e3.nintendo.com/3ds/game/?g=mgseater (http://e3.nintendo.com/3ds/game/?g=mgseater)

Many games have screenshots on that site.

Animal Crossing seems to look different, the characters look more realistic, and they finally improved the graphics, things look smooth.

Mario Kart looks good, but it's a little blocky. Not as bad as Mario Kart DS, just a little.

Paper Mario obviously is awesome, and you can't go wrong with the art style it has.

Pilotwings Resort is good just because I've been wanting a new Pilotwings forever.

Star Fox 64 3D looks like it has slightly improved graphics.

Steel Diver looks...interesting, it's a new IP. Not sure what to expect.

Quote from: bluaki on June 15, 2010, 11:33:54 AM
Nintendo's site shows three colors for 3DS
[spoiler](http://e3.nintendo.com/images/ctr/hardware/black.jpg)(http://e3.nintendo.com/images/ctr/hardware/red.jpg)(http://e3.nintendo.com/images/ctr/hardware/blue.jpg)[/spoiler]

Ah, so it will be like the Gameboy Advance launch.  I hope it's like the Gameboy Advance launch.

(http://www.gameconsoles.com/images/Gba001.jpg)

Then we got this one a few months later if I recall correctly:

(http://www.hartware.de/media/reviews/148/gba_milky_pink.jpg)

one of the mario kart courses is the island from wii sports resort

Quote from: Tupin on June 15, 2010, 11:47:04 AM
MGS: Snake Eater on 3DS:

http://e3.nintendo.com/3ds/game/?g=mgseater (http://e3.nintendo.com/3ds/game/?g=mgseater)

Funny, when I saw Hideo Kojima talking about the 3DS, I was thinking about what  The Sorrow fight would be like on the 3DS.

The irony.

For the love of all that is Nintendo, take a look at this screen shot of Star Fox!


(http://e3.nintendo.com/images/ctr/othergames/starfox/0.png)

Quote from: Mewtwo on June 15, 2010, 12:00:32 PM
For the love of all that is Nintendo, take a look at this screen shot of Star Fox!


(http://e3.nintendo.com/images/ctr/othergames/starfox/0.png)

I came so hard my computer desk just melted.

(http://imgur.com/TQ268.png)

Quote from: bluaki on June 15, 2010, 12:11:48 PM
(http://imgur.com/TQ268.png)

It looks like Paper Mario 64 and TTYD made sweet, passionate love. And this is the beautiful child that was created in the process.

Also, Super Street Fighter IV 3D. I'm not sure if I'm happy about this.

Quote from: SkyMyl on June 15, 2010, 11:58:04 AM
Funny, when I saw Hideo Kojima talking about the 3DS, I was thinking about what  The Sorrow fight would be like on the 3DS.

The irony.

No, a coincidence.

A portable Paper Mario YEAH!

(http://e3.nintendo.com/images/ctr/othergames/kh3d/0.png)

THIS LOOKS BETTER THAN THE PS2 GRAPHICS  =O

Re:coded, here I come!

intercourse  im late

anyways

Nintendo is stealing my intercourse ing money

Quote from: Zero on June 15, 2010, 12:25:19 PM
intercourse  im late

anyways

Nintendo is stealing my intercourse ing money

bluaki was first, sorry.

Quote from: TheAuraWielder on June 15, 2010, 12:28:07 PM
bluaki was first, sorry.

lol i don't have a problem with it

Hey wait a minute, I just realized something...

(http://e3.nintendo.com/images/ctr/hardware/blue.jpg)

There, at the bottom... is that a... normal headphone jack? I think I might cry...

Also, why the heck are the battery and wifi lights at the bottom?

Quote from: Magnum on June 15, 2010, 10:17:44 AM
That commercial they made was pretty awesome.

Also, Mario, Zelda, DK, and... Star Fox? Hm... Nintendo, are you hinting at something?

No, they are not hinting at Smash Bros. They're using their first party titles to promote the 3DS.

The Maxim Tomato is Kirby.

Quote from: Detective Conan on June 15, 2010, 12:43:08 PM
No, they are not hinting at Smash Bros. They're using their first party titles to promote the 3DS.

The Maxim Tomato is Kirby.

I know the Maxim Tomato is Kirby

does anyone know if its compatible with DS or GBA games?

Quote from: Nik on June 15, 2010, 01:04:27 PM
does anyone know if its compatible with DS or GBA games?

It's been stated that the 3DS is backwards compatible with the DS.

No mention was made for GBA support, but it's safe to say that the 3DS won't be compatible with GBA games.

Quote from: Nik on June 15, 2010, 01:04:27 PM
does anyone know if its compatible with DS or GBA games?

Just before showing that it has cameras, I think they said something about compatibility with DSi.


Animal Crossing 3DS looks less chibi than the rest of the series
(http://e3.nintendo.com/images/ctr/othergames/animal/1.png)

 :O

Screw Skyward Sword, we're getting an Ocarina of Time 3DS remake!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

http://ds.ign.com/articles/109/1098192p1.html (http://ds.ign.com/articles/109/1098192p1.html)

(http://dsmedia.ign.com/ds/image/article/109/1098192/e3-2010-ocarina-of-time-3ds-on-the-way-20100615014903739_640w.jpg)
(http://dsmedia.ign.com/ds/image/article/109/1098192/e3-2010-ocarina-of-time-3ds-on-the-way-20100615014900411_640w.jpg)
(http://dsmedia.ign.com/ds/image/article/109/1098192/e3-2010-ocarina-of-time-3ds-on-the-way-20100615014856396_640w.jpg)
(http://dsmedia.ign.com/ds/image/article/109/1098192/e3-2010-ocarina-of-time-3ds-on-the-way-20100615014852708_640w.jpg)

This is now officially the greatest day in gaming history!  :D

Nintendo is kicking some major ass today.

HELLZ YES.

It's pretty easy to forgive them for the last two E3s after today.

Apparently the Ocarina of Time thing is just a demo at this point, so I wouldn't get too excited.

HOLY FUCKING SHIT. THIS IS WHY I LOVE NINTENDO. THIS MAKES UP FOR EVERYTHIGN THEY'VE DONE THE PAST FEW YEARS.

So yeah, I'm intercourse ing stoked.

Quote from: Cornwad on June 15, 2010, 04:20:11 PM
Apparently the Ocarina of Time thing is just a demo at this point, so I wouldn't get too excited.

Why make a demo if you're not going to re-make the whole thing? You're doing that for Star Fox...
Most likely a remake, but I wouldn't be shocked if it were just a demo like you said.

Quote from: Nayrman on June 15, 2010, 04:29:03 PM
Why make a demo if you're not going to re-make the whole thing? You're doing that for Star Fox...
Most likely a remake, but I wouldn't be shocked if it were just a demo like you said.

Yeah, I think it's just a warning in case they don't go completely through with it. I'm still expecting to see it eventually.

The Snake Eater demo is also just a tech demo to show off the 3DS's power, but there will be a Metal Gear game on the system. It may be Snake Eater, and hopefully it will look as good as the PS2 version, have they come out with specs for the 3DS yet?

Also, the touch pad is not an analog stick, it's a pad on top of a digital d-pad, which apparently works as well and is better than an analog nub like the PSP.

The OoT pictures may just show a game really early in development, hence why the pictures are all of Link on Epona. That's my best guess.

Guys, it's basically the PSP Analog.

Also, I can't find any gameplay footage of it.

They talked about everything it can do but didn't show any of it?

:|

I don't think there's much of a point in showing it when we can't see the 3D, but they gave everyone at the show multiple chances to play it. And those people have said that it is nothing like the PSP's nub.

Quote from: Cornwad on June 15, 2010, 05:16:28 PM
I don't think there's much of a point in showing it when we can't see the 3D, but they gave everyone at the show multiple chances to play it. And those people have said that it is nothing like the PSP's nub.

If you don't need glasses, you should be able to film it and everyone would get the idea.

It's all about how the eyes see the screen. Unless you have a 3DS screen for a TV/Computer you wouldn't be able to pick up on anything. Also, normal cameras don't record in 3D either, so it would only be captured in two dimensions.

If you stick 3D glasses up to a camera and filmed a 3D movie, it wouldn't look 3D on your computer. Same thing works without the glasses.

Well, the N64 remakes and the SNAKE EATER(!) screens seem to show it's at least adequately powerful on graphics alone. Sorry to say but the DS just couldn't handle 3D in the slightest, glad to see some CLEAN 3D, even if it isn't the rumored PS2/Cube level of graphics.

Quote from: Cornwad on June 15, 2010, 05:21:36 PM
It's all about how the eyes see the screen. Unless you have a 3DS screen for a TV/Computer you wouldn't be able to pick up on anything. Also, normal cameras don't record in 3D either, so it would only be captured in two dimensions.

If you stick 3D glasses up to a camera and filmed a 3D movie, it wouldn't look 3D on your computer. Same thing works without the glasses.

You're missing my point.
If you don't need glasses, you can film it. The reason you can't film things that need glasses is because it's filmed and edited a different way that the human eye can't normally interpret.

The 3DS requires no glasses, thus a camera lens will see the same thing we see. It has a depth slider, which means it's not "Real" 3D, it's increased depth. Nothing jumps off the screen at you like with 3D movies.

This should be completely film-able.

I will not be excited for any of this until I see some gameplay.

I did see a comparison that it looked just as good as a PSP, and maybe slightly better, but I'm not so sure. The DS was essentially a portable N64, and since they didn't want to blur the edges to make things look smooth, they just decided to leave them jagged.

It still comes down to the fact that a camera doesn't film with two lenses. The screen only shows 3D when you look at it in two different ways at once, which can't be done when filmed. I saw the 3DS live on tv earlier, and it wasn't 3D at all because it was on camera. So either I'm right or everyone at E3 is just pretending that it works.

You can't get 3D online because it wasn't filmed that way, and your monitor wasn't BUILT for it.

Not to mention it's using a similar idea to the anaglyphic 3D glasses of using two different perspectives to give the effect, which a 1 angle lens can't do.

Quote from: Detective Conan on June 15, 2010, 05:46:40 PM
You're missing my point.
If you don't need glasses, you can film it. The reason you can't film things that need glasses is because it's filmed and edited a different way that the human eye can't normally interpret.

The 3DS requires no glasses, thus a camera lens will see the same thing we see. It has a depth slider, which means it's not "Real" 3D, it's increased depth. Nothing jumps off the screen at you like with 3D movies.

This should be completely film-able.

I will not be excited for any of this until I see some gameplay.

3D in any form can only be observed with two eyes. Obviously, a camera only has one, so the illusion is impossible to project into video form.

Also, for those who have a DSi, does the front camera get scratched over time? I can entirely imagine the 2 outside cameras getting completely mauled by stuff like keys or a cell phone.

I've no issues with the XL's camera. I must say, 3DS is a go for me. Ubisoft is launching 6 titles with it, and I imagine Nintendo will have three or so. I'll be poor.

I stand corrected. Still, I'm not excited for it 'til I see it myself. Demos at Gamestop and Nintendo World, please.

Quote from: Mace on June 15, 2010, 06:15:36 PM
I've no issues with the XL's camera. I must say, 3DS is a go for me. Ubisoft is launching 6 titles with it, and I imagine Nintendo will have three or so. I'll be poor.

Do you carry it in your sweatpants and/or baggy jeans, or does it sit at home?

Also  you better be getting that Star Fox remake.

XL can't fit in my pants, but I throw it in a duffle bag and backpack with other junk and it's fine.

And none of those remakes are confirmed yet. They're just tech demos as of now.

Quote from: Mace on June 15, 2010, 06:25:42 PM
XL can't fit in my pants, but I throw it in a duffle bag and backpack with other junk and it's fine.

And none of those remakes are confirmed yet. They're just tech demos as of now.

Actually, Ocarina of Time was just officially confirmed. And I'm sure Star Fox will be real since they have pics on the Nintendo E3 website.

My DSi's camera survived France. It got pencil marks and scratches all over the casing, but as far as I can tell the camera is unharmed. It was stuck in the pocket of my backpack which was essentially crushed by the super awesome charter flight first class reclining seats.

Apparently we missed that this will have some multimedia functions as well, they mentioned watching movies. I'm guessing Netflix.

I see no official confirmation. Rawmeatcowboy just posted on Gonintendo after talking to Ninty reps that it isn't.

edit: see the tweet

Lots of good stuff here:

http://wii.ign.com/articles/109/1098500p1.html

From what I've gathered, the 3DS is basically the middle form of the DS Lite and the DSi.

Measurements (in inches)
3DS: 5.3x2.9x0.8
DS Lite: 5.2x2.9x0.85
DSi: 5.39x2.95x0.75
DS: 5.85x3.33x1.13

I wish the 3DS was as thin as the DSi though...

"Cats are interesting, they're like girls...if they come and talk to you, it's great! But if you go and talk to them, it might not go so well. (laughs)"

Quote of the day.

Quote from: SkyMyl on June 15, 2010, 06:48:38 PM
"Cats are interesting, they're like girls...if they come and talk to you, it's great! But if you go and talk to them, it might not go so well. (laughs)"

Quote of the day.

That is so true. Quote of the year more like it.

Apparently, the 3DS looks better than the Wii and is approaching 360/PS3 power:

http://ds.ign.com/articles/109/1098713p1.html (http://ds.ign.com/articles/109/1098713p1.html)

Jesus hell Nintendo. You just made me a full fanboy again. Thank you.

Quote from: Tupin on June 15, 2010, 11:18:59 PM
Apparently, the 3DS looks better than the Wii and is approaching 360/PS3 power:

http://ds.ign.com/articles/109/1098713p1.html (http://ds.ign.com/articles/109/1098713p1.html)

Just from the screenshots on Ninty's site, it looked pretty amazing for a handheld, but approaching PS3/360 power? I find that hard to believe. If that's true, then just imagine what'll happen if Nintendo puts effort into their next console.

Quote from: Magnum on June 15, 2010, 11:38:06 PM
Jesus hell

You turning into Raocow?

Quote from: SkyMyl on June 16, 2010, 10:02:00 AM
Just from the screenshots on Ninty's site, it looked pretty amazing for a handheld, but approaching PS3/360 power? I find that hard to believe. If that's true, then just imagine what'll happen if Nintendo puts effort into their next console.

No way it's PS3/360 power.
I've heard reports from the Snake Eater Tech Demo that it's about PS2/Xbox/Cube levels when the games are actually in motion, which to be honest is all I can ask for currently. Although to be honest the Kid Icarus game looks very late PS1 mostly Dreamcast type graphics. I guess it depends on the studio (Nintendo has never cared about graphics, as Reggie made PAINFULLY obvious during his introduction speech)

It could be PS3/360 power, but not graphics. Those 3D effects must use a lot of power.

Actually, I've never even heard of Raocow

Quote from: Nayrman on June 16, 2010, 10:15:14 AM
No way it's PS3/360 power.
I've heard reports from the Snake Eater Tech Demo that it's about PS2/Xbox/Cube levels when the games are actually in motion, which to be honest is all I can ask for currently. Although to be honest the Kid Icarus game looks very late PS1 mostly Dreamcast type graphics. I guess it depends on the studio (Nintendo has never cared about graphics, as Reggie made PAINFULLY obvious during his introduction speech)

Have you ever played a PS1? lol seriously none of what we saw was PS1 quality. The DS had better looking games than the PS1 for christ's sake.

Quote from: Zero on June 16, 2010, 03:45:03 PM
Have you ever played a PS1? lol seriously none of what we saw was PS1 quality. The DS had better looking games than the PS1 for christ's sake.

You've clearly never seen how badly the 3D has been handled in a LOT of DS games. The blockiness and terribly proportioned models in some of those games are just astounding.

Quote from: Nayrman on June 16, 2010, 03:55:06 PM
You've clearly never seen how badly the 3D has been handled in a LOT of DS games. The blockiness and terribly proportioned models in some of those games are just astounding.

lol I'm not saying the DS's graphic capabilities are good. I'm saying they're equal to or better than the PS1's. Super Mario 64 DS is a pretty good example of a game that's graphically superior to every single Playstation 1 game ever made, and it was a intercourse ing launch title. Go play the three Final Fantasies on the system, which were three of the best looking games on the system, and the only one that comes close to being graphically close to the DS's capabilities is Final Fantasy IX, which came out at the end of the systems life might I add.

The 3DS exceeds the DS's potential in pretty much every way and not just in terms of graphical capability and in that regard, I can't understand why you think these screens look like PS1 quality, when the PS1 is not that powerful. If you can't physically see this, you must have bad eyes. I look at the Kid Icarus game and see graphics superior to the Dreamcast, and hell I look at the Paper Mario game and see TTYD all over again. And from what IGN, Kotaku, and Destructoid said, it's more powerful than the PSP despite the slight resolution inferiority. Come the end of the systems life, I think we'll be seeing handheld games that look even better than what we're seeing.

Quote from: Cornwad on June 16, 2010, 11:46:42 AM
It could be PS3/360 power, but not graphics. Those 3D effects must use a lot of power.

I was thinking that too; keep in mind, Nayrman, that in order to be 3D, it needs to make each Gamecube-level graphic frame twice.

*Edit
http://ds.ign.com/dor/articles/1098013/e3-2010-nintendo-3ds-preview-video/videos/e310_3ds_spc_061610.html (http://ds.ign.com/dor/articles/1098013/e3-2010-nintendo-3ds-preview-video/videos/e310_3ds_spc_061610.html)

Nice little "hands-on;" unfortunately, they for some reason still won't show us the thing in action (we couldn't see it in 3D, but seeing a bit more video than Kid Icarus would be nice, and they can actually play Pilot Wings Resort and some others). Still, this shows a direct comparison size-wise to the DSi. The guys love everything about it, and apparently the stylus is in the back now, like on the original DS. NINTENDO, GIVE THESE THINGS TO GAMESTOP SO WE CAN SEE THE 3D OURSELVES, PLEASE!

*double edit

http://ds.ign.com/articles/109/1099734p1.html (http://ds.ign.com/articles/109/1099734p1.html)

WE MAY BE ABLE TO INSTALL GAMES FROM GAME CARTRIDGES ONTO THE 3DS'S INTERNAL MEMORY.

I've heard that the cartridges of the 3DS are the size of CompactFlash cards. It's good that we've reached a point where we don't need optical media to have large capacity, but it says only 2GB maximum at start?

Hopefully the 3DS has several GBs of internal storage. 256MB like the Wii isn't enough, my cheap Chinese PMP has 4GB and it cost $90.

I want a 3DS really badly due to the games announced and the awesomeness of 3D gaming (sure, it's a gimmick, but it's a darn good one at that), but I'm not too sure I'll be able to afford it...Maybe when there's a bit of a price drop or a cash gain for me, I'll be able to. Right now, I gotta save for RB3. But still, this is an awesome looking handheld, and I hope it does well and is constantly supplied with great games. Nintendo deserves redemption from the slump it's been having, and I believe after now it'll be better.

Regarding 3DS: What about left-handed people?
Plenty of regular DS games left the user write on the touch screen with their dominant hand, then have movement or certain actions assigned to the face buttons for left-handed people and to the D-pad for right-handed people.

By contrast, on 3DS, there's now a joystick which only left-handed people cannot use while touching the screen. Any game that wants to utilize both analog movement and precise touching might have issues with that.

Quote from: Tupin on June 17, 2010, 02:58:00 PM
I've heard that the cartridges of the 3DS are the size of CompactFlash cards. It's good that we've reached a point where we don't need optical media to have large capacity, but it says only 2GB maximum at start?
Hopefully the 3DS has several GBs of internal storage. 256MB like the Wii isn't enough, my cheap Chinese PMP has 4GB and it cost $90.

Not at all the size of "Compact"Flash cards. The physical slot for one of those things would take up half of the 3DS's entire size. They're about the same size as DS cartridges with a slight change in shape to prevent insertion in an old DS. The 3DS card reader can read both new and old DS games.

2GB is over half a gig more than Gamecube discs could hold; 16 times the max capacity of common DS carts (not counting the 256MB cart which like two games use). Considering that 3DS is most comparable in specs to Gamecube, this doesn't look too bad, although Gamecube itself was criticized for having lower capacity than ~4GB DVDs that other consoles used. At this point, any form of SDHC (full/mini/micro) can hold much more for a rather low price (my 8GB microSD was $10 even with a couple accessories included)

I'm left handed and I was worried about that at first, but then I realized that the touch screen doesn't really seem to be important on the 3DS. From what I can tell, its mostly there for backwards compatibility. Any situation in which you would need the accuracy of the slider, you won't need to use the stylus pretty much.

Quote from: Cornwad on June 23, 2010, 10:16:03 AM
I'm left handed and I was worried about that at first, but then I realized that the touch screen doesn't really seem to be important on the 3DS. From what I can tell, its mostly there for backwards compatibility. Any situation in which you would need the accuracy of the slider, you won't need to use the stylus pretty much.

Dual-analog exists on a bunch of gaming systems and many games use them. Left joy + touch may be used somewhat like that.

And a bunch of other possibilities exist. Making up one, consider a 3D first-person game in which you tap the screen to shoot a gun or examine something or whatever. You'd still be moving around with analog while you're touching the screen.

The touch screen is a major feature of both the DS and 3DS. We're not at all going to see it be abandoned by new games, although now with the next system its NEW appeal for developers is decreased and it won't be forcibly used in unsuitable ways as much.

*re-emerge & delurk*

IGN was having this same exact debate on their forum. "lol it's not even PS2 graphics" What gorram PS2s or PS1s were YOU playing?

MGS3DS compared to MGS4
[spoiler](http://img413.imageshack.us/img413/9549/metalgearo.jpg)[/spoiler]

MGS Peace walker
[spoiler](http://pspmedia.gamespy.com/psp/image/article/989/989730/metal-gear-solid-peace-walker-20090602032547609_640w.jpg)[/spoiler]

Now another MGS3DS shot
[spoiler](http://i45.tinypic.com/212hh78.jpg)[/spoiler]

These are launch title graphics, imagine what they'll be able to do later on! @_@

So, in a few words, the 3DS has graphics compared to MGS4 or what?

Quote from: TheAuraWielder on June 24, 2010, 11:14:13 AM
So, in a few words, the 3DS has graphics compared to MGS4 or what?

I 'spose so. Considering the screens. But it sure as hell is better than PS2 or PSP.

Couldn't find a close up shot of Snake from the PS2 version that was to scale. But here's a shot of the PS2 version.
[spoiler](http://ps2media.ign.com/ps2/image/article/651/651312/metal-gear-solid-3-subsistence-20050915065118995.jpg)[/spoiler]

Let's just remember that in-game graphics and cutscenes are two different things.

...that said, it's pretty amazing to see MGS3DS look as good as MGS4.

For the record, I'm pretty sure that Nintendogs + Cats is the only 3DS game from Nintendo that uses the touch screen for gameplay, and it definitely doesn't have heavy use of the slide pad.

I'm ambidextrous, so thankfully the stick placement doesn't hurt me. Though for some games I do feel inclined to use my left hand, so it could be a bit annoying later on.

Most left handed people I know are pretty good about dealing with stick placements though, like for arcade sticks. It sucks, but it isn't unplayable.

Quote from: Cornwad on June 25, 2010, 11:40:34 AM
For the record, I'm pretty sure that Nintendogs + Cats is the only 3DS game from Nintendo that uses the touch screen for gameplay, and it definitely doesn't have heavy use of the slide pad.

Nearly none of the revealed games have screenshots from the bottom screen. Look at Nintendo's official site and you'll notice that most screenshots are like this with only the 3DS logo on the bottom: [spoiler](http://e3.nintendo.com/images/ctr/othergames/zelda/4.png)[/spoiler]

Starfox 64 has some shown bottom screen that shows only button mapping and doesn't appear to use touch (in its current state, although that honestly doesn't look like the sort of thing they'd tack onto a final game) [spoiler](http://e3.nintendo.com/images/ctr/othergames/starfox/0.png)[/spoiler]

One other game with bottom screenshots is Steel Diver, which clearly uses touch: [spoiler](http://e3.nintendo.com/images/ctr/othergames/steeldiver/2.png)[/spoiler]

I can't find any Nintendogs bottom screenshot you're referring to, but the only other Nintendo game with a bottom screenshot on the site is PilotWings, for which I can't tell if it uses touch. [spoiler](http://e3.nintendo.com/images/ctr/othergames/pilotwings/0.png)[/spoiler]

I believe it's mentioned in an interview somewhere that OoT will allow you to use the touch screen to do things like navigate inventory (equip Iron Boots, in particular) while it's generally expected that normal movement is done with the analog slider.

I'm surprised at how great the graphics look. They look on par or better than Gamecube graphics (or lolWii), which is pretty darn impressive for a handheld. Especially a handheld that looks to retain the same size as the DS Lite. Perhaps Nintendo's next console will be a graphics powerhouse?

Yeah, that's what I meant. No game as of yet needs you to use the analog and the stylus at the same time. You may be able to look at the bottom for maps or inventory while moving around with the stylus or even use it for item selection in Zelda, but there is nothing like Metroid Prime when you need to be using both at once. Therefore there is no problem for lefties.

http://media.ds.ign.com/articles/110/1102159/imgs_1.html (http://media.ds.ign.com/articles/110/1102159/imgs_1.html)

Pics time. Cartridges, game cases, and some prototype 3DS colors: red, blue, awesome purple, and sicknastyawesome orange-bronze. As implied, I'm pretty stoked about the latter two, and I hope they will actually be available on launch.

For those who can't get to the link, the game cartridges and cases look the same as DS ones, but the cartridges have a little nub on the side (like half of the top of a GBA game) so that people won't shove them in their normal DS, and the 3DS cases have the "3DS" logo on the right side (near the opening) instead of on the left (near the spine).

This is a somewhat weird 3DS; seems slimmer and curvier than the others. Notice especially the headphone jack.

(http://dsmedia.ign.com/ds/image/article/110/1102159/e3-2010-3ds-glamour-shots-20100625033451093_640w.jpg)

Contrasted to all other 3DSes like:
[spoiler](http://e3.nintendo.com/images/ctr/hardware/blue.jpg)[/spoiler]

That 3DS appears to be on a base, Bluaki. That's why it seems different.

Still, it does seem a bit... odd. Ah well; all the styles kick ass. I like the orange and red ones. :3

Quote from: SkyMyl on June 26, 2010, 08:08:17 PM
That 3DS appears to be on a base, Bluaki. That's why it seems different.

Oh. That's a rather weird base.