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Game-o-rama => General Gaming => Pokemon => Topic started by: bluaki on July 12, 2009, 04:41:59 PM

Title: Kanto Rival's name in HGSS: Blue or Green
Post by: bluaki on July 12, 2009, 04:41:59 PM
This is just a rather trivial note, but...

Of course, we know the weirdness between Japan getting Red/Green for the first games and us getting Red/Blue instead. The rival's name changes accordingly in Gens 1 and 2. Although in Gen 1 it's just a selectable name that changes between the two versions, in Gen 2 it's his NPC name as a gym leader.

In Firered and Leafgreen, however, both the version colors and his default names follow the Japanese original Gen 1 games.

HeartGold and SoulSilver, assuming they retain the same gym leaders of Gen 2 Kanto, will feature Blue/Green with an unchangeable name. If the English DS games follow the Japanese games instead of the English GBC games in that sense, which would make sense considering that FRLG did, then I believe that will officially change his canon English name from Blue to Green.
Title: Re: Kanto Rival's name in HGSS: Blue or Green
Post by: jnfs2014 on July 12, 2009, 05:21:33 PM
Yeah, I think it should be Green. I mean Blue was ok and all for the 1st gen because of Red and Blue, but I think that Green is still the better choice....

Oh, and the manga.
Title: Re: Kanto Rival's name in HGSS: Blue or Green
Post by: Rayquarian on August 21, 2009, 05:27:05 PM
I'll call him Green, because I've read Pok?mon Special.
Title: Re: Kanto Rival's name in HGSS: Blue or Green
Post by: JrDude on August 21, 2009, 05:29:53 PM
For some reason I think Blue suits Gary more, but that may just be because that's what I'm used to.
Title: Re: Kanto Rival's name in HGSS: Blue or Green
Post by: RX-78-2 on August 21, 2009, 08:40:48 PM
I prefer these names for the characters in all instances:

- Ash/Red
- Gary/Blue
- Green for the girl in the Pok?mon Adventures manga(doesn't have an English name, but she's the female character in Pok?mon FireRed and Pok?mon LeafGreen)

Look here for more information: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pok%C3%A9mon_Adventures_protagonists#Green (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pok%C3%A9mon_Adventures_protagonists#Green)
Title: Re: Kanto Rival's name in HGSS: Blue or Green
Post by: bluaki on August 21, 2009, 09:34:25 PM
Quote from: Back to TerribleFrog on August 21, 2009, 08:40:48 PM
- Ash/Red
- Gary/Blue
- Green for the girl in the Pok?mon Adventures manga(doesn't have an English name, but she's the female character in Pok?mon FireRed and Pok?mon LeafGreen)
The manga might name her as Blue in Japan, but I think FR/LG names her Leaf.

And these names probably only apply to gens 1 and 2 outside of Japan. If FR/LG are enough basis to go off of, then the Pokemon games are making themselves internationally follow Japan's naming for those characters. Which keeps Red's name the same and swaps the names Blue and Green in all instances.
Title: Re: Kanto Rival's name in HGSS: Blue or Green
Post by: Neerb on August 21, 2009, 09:45:43 PM
American names for Kanto characters:

Male protagonist:  Red
Rival:  Blue
Female protagonist (FR/LG):  Leaf

I never played G/S/C, but if one of the enemies is the Kanto rival, I say his name is Blue.  I don't care what the Japanese call him, because I'm not playing the Japanese version.
Title: Re: Kanto Rival's name in HGSS: Blue or Green
Post by: Dog Food on August 21, 2009, 09:59:00 PM
I like the way the Americans do it, but that's mostly because my favorite color is blue and I want it to be included.
Title: Re: Kanto Rival's name in HGSS: Blue or Green
Post by: bluaki on August 21, 2009, 10:05:39 PM
Quote from: SmashBro25 on August 21, 2009, 09:45:43 PM
I never played G/S/C, but if one of the enemies is the Kanto rival, I say his name is Blue.
Um, isn't that completely ignoring the point of this topic?
Quote from: SmashBro25 on August 21, 2009, 09:45:43 PM
I don't care what the Japanese call him, because I'm not playing the Japanese version.
On the same note, I'm sure you don't care that the Japanese paired Red with Green instead of Blue originally. Of course that doesn't affect you, since you didn't play those games in Japanese. At least, it didn't affect you until Firered/Leafgreen, where the Japanese names DO matter, because now the American games have converted to the Japanese names.

If you want to completely ignore the details of the Japanese version, the facts would be this: The english original games are Red/Blue, but their remakes are Firered/Leafgreen. Because the english games renamed the second color from blue to green as of gen 3, all in-game names that are based on the version names are changed too, which makes Red keep his original name and should make Blue become Green.
Title: Re: Kanto Rival's name in HGSS: Blue or Green
Post by: Neerb on August 22, 2009, 10:01:55 PM
Male protagonist:  Red (http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/wiki/Red_(game))

Rival:  Blue (http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/wiki/Blue_(game))

Female protagonist:  Leaf (http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/wiki/Leaf_(game))

Nothing changed.  Like I said, it's not the Japanese version.
Title: Re: Kanto Rival's name in HGSS: Blue or Green
Post by: bluaki on August 22, 2009, 11:16:45 PM
Quote from: SmashBro25 on August 22, 2009, 10:01:55 PM
Male protagonist:  Red (http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/wiki/Red_(game))

Rival:  Blue (http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/wiki/Blue_(game))

Female protagonist:  Leaf (http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/wiki/Leaf_(game))

Nothing changed.  Like I said, it's not the Japanese version.
Because Bulbapedia has the canon answer to everything. Look at the discussion pages of Blue or probably even Leaf, and they are related to this thread. As an even more extreme example of their issues with naming game protagonists, check out their discussion page on the HG/SS female protagonist (http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/wiki/Talk:Soul_(game)#Name)
Title: Re: Kanto Rival's name in HGSS: Blue or Green
Post by: Neerb on August 23, 2009, 06:19:41 PM
Quote from: Bluaki on August 22, 2009, 11:16:45 PM
Because Bulbapedia has the canon answer to everything. Look at the discussion pages of Blue or probably even Leaf, and they are related to this thread. As an even more extreme example of their issues with naming game protagonists, check out their discussion page on the HG/SS female protagonist (http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/wiki/Talk:Soul_(game)#Name)

Well, no one's actually bothered to change the names, so clearly the debate in favor of Blue becoming Green isn't too pressing.  Also, according to those discussion pages, Leaf is apparently the actual name of the girl in the games' data, which also kinda rules out Blue being Green.  Furthermore, even if Bulbapedia isn't canon, do you have any better sources?
Title: Re: Kanto Rival's name in HGSS: Blue or Green
Post by: Drezford_the_Rebell on August 25, 2009, 12:29:35 PM
Personally, I think they should name him Gary MOTHERFUCKING Oak and be done with it.

Though with all logic inputted, they're probably going to name him Green.