Pokemon Gen 6 just got confirmed - Pokemon X and Pokemon Y, five new Pokemon confirmed (three starters, two legendary) - it's a full 3D world, 3D characters, 3D Pokemon (ABOUT FUCKING TIME). It'll be released in October.
It was broadcast on Nintendo Direct just now, I'm sure there will be new stories within minutes.
Initial impressions? The world looks great the game looks nice, but the three starters all look like poop.
Took it upon myself to make this:
(http://i.imgur.com/AP3BU.jpg)
(http://i.imgur.com/By1Vh.png)
(http://i.imgur.com/AtJHV.png)
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chespin looks great better than the terrible ones from last one
intercourse offff
chespin looks like it's knocking on oshawott
theory on starters:
Grass - Grass/Fighting - Reminds me of Oshawott and although it wasn't using a fighting move on Golurk since Golurk is a ghost type, it looked to be a fighting type.
Fire - Fire/Psychic - has a sort of mystical psychic look, and uses what looks like a psychic move on Kirlia.
Water - Water/Ice - Froakie - Frost/Croak(ie), or Water/Electric, based on the move it used.
Actually now that I think about it the water type could be /fighting too, based on the way is poses itself when it uses it's moves.
Actually now that I think about it the water type could be /fighting too, based on the way is poses itself when it uses it's moves.
I'm fairly certain on Fire/Psychic, though.
Fire/Psychic
Water/Fighting
Grass/Dark?
Would be a good circle on both ends. Fire < Water < Grass, Psychic < Fighting < Dark
Gen X and Y looks like they're actually going to be trying with the way the world works this time, rather than just doing the same old thing.
World Impressions: Obviously meant to be Europe after America got it's shot with Gen 5, but it looks nice. The game world and visuals kind of remind me of Persona for some reason, although I wouldn't be surprised if that was intentional to give a bit more "mature" look visually rather than the admittedly chibi looking overworld sprites we've been seeing. Everything looks colorful and that it works smoothly. It'll be nice to finally have some cities and towns that actually feel like a city rather than just castelia in gen 5.
Starter Impressions:
Chespin - Easily the weakest of the three. It's design is either too basic at points, or just too silly. Mind you, grass types almost always leave something to be desired, but still. I predict Grass/Fighting for this one. Gamefreak must now we're utterly sick of Fire/Fighting starters at this point.
Fennekin - I actually like this. My only gripe is that we kind of already have a fire type that's fox-like in Vulpix, although to be honest it looks more like if a Vulpix and an Eevee bred and this came out. Still, fire type is my favorite so far, heh. I predict it will just be a pure fire type the entire way through. We haven't had a pure fire type starter since Gen 2....
Froakie - I actually kind of like it's design. It's unique enough to stand out on it's own but not so wild it looks silly like Chespin. It's very cute in a way. Hrm.... looking at all the fluff around it's neck or so.... I can definitely see it being Water/Electric or Water/Ice. Oshawott was pure water all the way through, and Piplup's steel typing was utterly useless, so this may be pretty good.
Flying Legendary - Erm.... looks neat?
Walking legendary - It looks like Virizion in a way but much taller and flashier... looks ok I guess but I'll have to see it's typing first.
Gen X and Y as names though are a bit weak though. Ultimately, they were going to run out of colors eventually, but still, we're just using letters now? Will the third game be "Z"? Will Gen 7 be Pokemon Alpha and Beta? Ah well, I'm excited.
my gut is screaming type reversal on the starters
Fire/Psychic, Water/Fighting, Grass/Dark
also
just realized one issue with the full 3d world - it's still grid based four directional movement.
Quote from: The Riddler on January 08, 2013, 08:35:48 AM
my gut is screaming type reversal on the starters
Fire/Psychic, Water/Fighting, Grass/Dark
also
just realized one issue with the full 3d world - it's still grid based four directional movement.
I don't think it'll be pure reversal, but I wouldn't be surprised if that were the case.
Even if it's a grid based on 4 directional movement, the fact that everything is models now will make it far easier to tell depth rather than buildings being only somewhat 3D and everything else being oddly proportioned sprites. Hopefully by the time the game comes out they can implement full motion or at least 8 direction motion, but we'll see.
Fire Type master race
but seriously I like Chespin and Froakie a lot. Froakie's evo better have a beard.
Fennekin is going to be Fire/Fighting again, just wait for October.
Quote from: Escalayer on January 08, 2013, 10:33:36 AM
Fennekin is going to be Fire/Fighting again, just wait for October.
Despite that psychic attack and psychic-mysterious-majestic-type appearance?
Fennekin is not just a fox. It's a Fennec Fox.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fennec_fox
"The fennec fox or fennec (Vulpes zerda) is a small nocturnal fox found in the Sahara of North Africa. Its most distinctive feature is its unusually large ears, which serve to dissipate heat. Its name comes from the Arabic word فنك (fanak), which means fox, and the species name zerda comes from the Greek word xeros which means dry, referring to the fox's habitat.[2] The fennec is the smallest species of canid in the world. Its coat, ears, and kidney functions have adapted to high-temperature, low-water, desert environments. In addition, its hearing is sensitive enough to hear prey moving underground. It mainly eats insects, small mammals, and birds."
Looks like I can finally go back to picking the fire starter without feeling like I didn't make the best choice. Awesome.
Fennekin is so freaking adorable. <3
Honestly, the graphics so far don't look like they're quite as good as the 3DS can handle... but it's still early, so I'm not sure what to think about them at this point.
When I first heard about the names X and Y (via text from a friend) I was assuming that they were just code names because real titles haven't been thought of yet... but unfortunately it looks like that isn't the case. Damn. But if the deer legendary is for X and the bird legendary is for Y (most logical assumption based on appearances and the logos), it looks like I'm leaning a little more toward Y version at this point. Even though I never, ever even use the cover legendaries--Kyogre's really the only one that I have.
But yeah, I can't even begin to think on typings for those two (other than the bird-thing most likely being flying)
Anyway, there you have it. Gen V is officially over. A whole two (maybe 1 1/2) years early, too, like I (and several others) predicted. And with a global release too. Nice.
It's not too early.
Based on Japan releases:
RGB -> GS, 3 Years.
GS - > RS, 3 Years.
RS - > DP, 4 Years
DP - > BW, 4 Years.
In October, it'll be just over 3 years from BW -> XY
Holy crap, time has flown on by. Seems like just yesterday we were hating on B/W starters.
Anyway, at first glance, I hated every single look of all of these things, but they're all growing on me quickly.
Anyway, from these pictures and video, it seems like they may be doing what I said they probably need to do in order to make a good 3D Battling game. And by that I mean custom animations for each attack, rather than generic tail flip for Double Kick.
And 4 directional movement? Big deal. They're taking a step forward. Be happy it's 3D Looking. Maybe Z version will have 8, or maybe it will take until the next generation, Beta and Gamma (3rd Version Omega). But Game Freak is evolving.
And because these legendaries are based off of X and Y, I hope their names START with those letters.
Anyway, predictions:
Chespin: Grass/Ground.
Looks like a Beaver or a Gopher, and since it can't be Water, I'm guessing Ground. Though Fighting would be cooler, especially since we had a Grass/Ground before.
Fennekin: Fire/Fighting
Psychic is a good guess based on it's attack, but I still think pure Fire. I'd love to be wrong though.
Froakie: Water/Fighting
I wanna say Water/Ice, I really do, but last time we were given a freaking snowman, and it turned out being pure Water. So I would not guess Ice. But it does deal a fighting-like move on Patrat on the video, and it has a fighter like stance. So my guess is this.
Pokémon X: Grass/Psychic? (It's in a forest)
Looks like Stantler evolved again. They sure do like Deer.
Pokémon Y: Psychic/Dragon or Psychic/Fly
This one looks like Groudon evolved. Loving the look though
I'm hoping that it isn't a Fire/Psychic type, to be perfectly honest. That typing is very, very bad.
People seem to be assuming that the starters are Grass/Dark, Fire/Psychic, and Water/Fighting, from the 20 seconds of footage we've seen.
Quote from: Z on January 08, 2013, 01:34:53 PM
I'm hoping that it isn't a Fire/Psychic type, to be perfectly honest. That typing is very, very bad.
Okay, let's assume Fennekin can change that thought if it does end up being a very good one.
Quote from: The Riddler on January 08, 2013, 05:18:43 AM
theory on starters:
Grass - Grass/Fighting - Reminds me of Oshawott and although it wasn't using a fighting move on Golurk since Golurk is a ghost type, it looked to be a fighting type.
Fire - Fire/Psychic - has a sort of mystical psychic look, and uses what looks like a psychic move on Kirlia.
Water - Water/Ice - Froakie - Frost/Croak(ie), or Water/Electric, based on the move it used.
i hate oshawott
oshawott is poop
intercourse you
this one is way cooler
if you like htat fire starter you probably get NO PU$$Y
Quote from: Nayrman on January 08, 2013, 09:41:03 AM
I don't think it'll be pure reversal, but I wouldn't be surprised if that were the case.
Even if it's a grid based on 4 directional movement, the fact that everything is models now will make it far easier to tell depth rather than buildings being only somewhat 3D and everything else being oddly proportioned sprites. Hopefully by the time the game comes out they can implement full motion or at least 8 direction motion, but we'll see.
i'd say either keep it 4 or do full
8 direction in 2012 would be stupid as hell
These starters gave me a better first impression than any since gen 2. and i hate everything.
just saying.
but whatever we all now fennekin will evolve fire/fighting
also the flying legendary looks okay but hte ground one looks like poop
sostupid STUPID stpiud
Quote from: DededeCloneChris on January 08, 2013, 02:57:08 PM
Okay, let's assume Fennekin can change that thought if it does end up being a very good one.
It's not so much a thought as it is a cruel reality.
Even Victini is brought to its knees by that same typing, and it is otherwise a very, very good Pokemon.
i hope they're not fire water and grass
revolutionize pokemon have all new types
he's lava i swear
Quote from: Custom on January 08, 2013, 07:15:19 PM
i hope they're not fire water and grass
revolutionize pokemon have all new types
he's lava i swear
Wouldn't that just be Fire/Rock though?
Fire/Rock is even worse than Fire/Psychic.
plz no
Legendary names revealed.
Xerneas (Deer thing) and Yveltal (bird thing)
Probably getting Y version.
Yveltal might be an indication that it is indeed based on a Chital like everyone is speculating.
one pokemon you're never going to use in the first place shouldn't determine which version you buy
So. I think Xerneas is going to basically be the ancestor of all mammals, where Yveltal is going to be the ancestor of all egg-laying species, (even though ALL species lay eggs in Pokémon).
Also, Xerneas will be female, while Yveltal will be male. Xerneas is MOTHER Nature in this game. Even though both genders have the X chromosome, if any gender, it should be female, otherwise what I said is only half right.
(these are all guesses, nothing confirmed)
Quote from: zephilicious on January 09, 2013, 12:15:50 PM
one pokemon you're never going to use in the first place shouldn't determine which version you buy
That's what I was trying to tell Zero.
It's better to go by the other version exclusives rather than the legendaries.
Quote from: JrDude 益 on January 09, 2013, 01:08:03 PM
So. I think Xerneas is going to basically be the ancestor of all mammals, where Yveltal is going to be the ancestor of all egg-laying species, (even though ALL species lay eggs in Pokémon).
Also, Xerneas will be female, while Yveltal will be male. Xerneas is MOTHER Nature in this game. Even though both genders have the X chromosome, if any gender, it should be female, otherwise what I said is only half right.
(these are all guesses, nothing confirmed)
dude what are you on what does this MEAN
Quote from: zephilicious on January 09, 2013, 12:15:50 PM
one pokemon you're never going to use in the first place shouldn't determine which version you buy
I play in Ubers. I'll probably end up using it.
Man you sure love your assumptions
Quote from: Z on January 10, 2013, 02:53:27 AM
I play in Ubers. I'll probably end up using it.
Man you sure love your assumptions
what do you think PO is gonna do without sprites?
Quote from: The Riddler on January 10, 2013, 03:04:22 AM
what do you think PO is gonna do without sprites?
I use Pokemon Showdown. There, they create their own Pokemon for use in the Create a Pokemon tier. Chances are, they'll create their very own sprites for Gen 6 Pokemon. These sprites actually aren't that bad.
Example:
(http://cap.smogon.com/Sprites/frontnormal-mnecturna.png)
They're actually discussing it in the forums as we speak over at Smogon. It's really the only way they can keep their community up to date with Generation 6.
i know about the cap project
they're real stingie so i stopped posting
Quote from: The Riddler on January 10, 2013, 04:49:46 AM
i know about the cap project
they're real stingie so i stopped posting
Yeah they have really high standards. I really can't blame them.
Quote from: Z on January 10, 2013, 05:18:44 AM
Yeah they have really high standards. I really can't blame them.
They ignore what they call "flavor" and focus only on competitive - they're not designing Pokemon they're designing machines.
When everyone was talking about giving Arumoth Punch, Kick, and Tail attacks, I was like... what
They literally deleted every suggestion post I made
Plenty of Pokemon have punch/kick/tail attacks that probably shouldn't.
Still, you're mostly right.
Quote from: Z on January 10, 2013, 05:22:13 AM
Plenty of Pokemon have punch/kick/tail attacks that probably shouldn't.
Still, you're mostly right.
Wrong. Only example they were able to muster up was Wooper who has no arms yet uses punches. Literally their only example.
Other than that, there aren't many.
Quote from: The Riddler on January 10, 2013, 05:25:01 AM
Wrong. Only example they were able to muster up was Wooper who has no arms yet uses punches. Literally their only example.
Other than that, there aren't many.
Arcanine and Staraptor both learn Close Combat. Which is animated as a bunch of fists. There are other moves I'm sure I'm forgetting, but yeah. I'm not trying to say its common, just that it happens. I retract my use of the word "plenty".
Quote from: Z on January 10, 2013, 05:28:40 AM
Arcanine and Staraptor both learn Close Combat. Which is animated as a bunch of fists. There are other moves I'm sure I'm forgetting, but yeah. I'm not trying to say its common, just that it happens. I retract my use of the word "plenty".
Close Combat's name doesn't imply fists/feet/tail though, that's just how the animation is. I guarantee in XY they'll fix that with a different animation for each Pokemon.
I get that it's there but it's mostly oversights and it's super rare. But over at CAP, they use that ONE example to justify ignoring all standards.
The move description is "The user fights the foe up close without guarding itself". It's vague. I get that. Still, those two are the only ones that learn it that don't have fists.
Again, it's not a "Punch" move. It's also not one of the ones they used to justify their choices, they only sited Wooper. Their mindset is that "well, one pokemon out over over 600 broke the rules, so we can." They're not designing Pokemon, they're designing competitive machines, and as nice as the designs are, it makes the whole project vastly disappointing.
This is only one other example... but Mismagius uses Sucker Punch.
Slightly more justifiable because she's a ghost, but again, it's super limited on how many examples there are.
The CAP project only sites Wooper, they're making these Pokemon specifically for competitive and someone even explained to me, "We don't care if it makes sense for the Pokemon, if it fits in competitive we'll use it."
Oh, also, Shroomish can use Focus Punch and Drain Punch.
Quote from: The Riddler on January 10, 2013, 05:42:50 AM
Slightly more justifiable because she's a ghost, but again, it's super limited on how many examples there are.
The CAP project only sites Wooper, they're making these Pokemon specifically for competitive and someone even explained to me, "We don't care if it makes sense for the Pokemon, if it fits in competitive we'll use it."
I mostly agree with you, but I don't think that someone represents the community as a whole.
Looking at existing CAP pokemon in their database, I can see that every Pokemon they have finalized has moves that fit with the Pokemon. Stratagem doesn't have any punching moves, but as a Rock manipulating Pokemon he can use Rock Smash.
As far as Aramoth goes, he isn't finalized yet.
Quote from: Z on January 10, 2013, 05:49:19 AM
I mostly agree with you, but I don't think that someone represents the community as a whole.
Looking at existing CAP pokemon in their database, I can see that every Pokemon they have finalized has moves that fit with the Pokemon. Stratagem doesn't have any punching moves, but as a Rock manipulating Pokemon he can use Rock Smash.
As far as Aramoth goes, he isn't finalized yet.
There were multiple people who PM'd me the same shtick when they were deleting my posts and I was questioning it. I suggested moves that made sense for the Pokemon and would give them a nicer movepool (some of the moves were quite useful), but they deleted it and said "We don't deal with flavor."
It was so intercourse ing stupid.
Quote from: The Riddler on January 10, 2013, 05:52:36 AM
There were multiple people who PM'd me the same shtick when they were deleting my posts and I was questioning it.
Sorry you had to go through that.
Still, when all is said and done they seem to give these Pokemon moves that fit.
They're still super stingie pricks.
I will say though, Arghonaut, Colossoil, and Krillowatt are their best designs. They decent typings while still appearing the part of Pokemon. Mollux is alright too, but most of the others are just silly.
Quote from: The Riddler on January 10, 2013, 05:57:05 AM
They're still super stingie pricks.
I will say though, Arghonaut, Colossoil, and Krillowatt are their best designs. They decent typings while still appearing the part of Pokemon. Mollux is alright too, but most of the others are just silly.
I really like Mollux. The Fire/Poison typing has a lot of uses. Just have to watch out for Earthquakes.
Quote from: The Riddler on January 10, 2013, 05:20:11 AM
They ignore what they call "flavor" and focus only on competitive - they're not designing Pokemon they're designing machines.
When everyone was talking about giving Arumoth Punch, Kick, and Tail attacks, I was like... what
They literally deleted every suggestion post I made
good
you don't deserve to be in the competitive scene
all pokemon are numbers to me
(http://sphotos-a.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-prn1/74309_398606763558950_1377768521_n.jpg)
GUYS THERE'S A NEW... wait...
Well, looking at what we have so far, I'm leaning towards Y version, because I like the bird better than the deer.
Starter-wise, I'm liking all of them at least a little, and I definitely feel (due to the moves from the video) that this time we'll finally have our reverse type-cycle with Grass/Dark, Fire/Psychic, and Water/Fighting. That would also mean we FINALLY get a fire starter that isn't Fighting type. Also, Chespin is the first grass starter ever to be something other than a reptile.
Between the three of them, I obviously can't really decide until I see their evos, but Chespin seems most appealing right now. Froakie is second, with Fennekin in last; it doesn't look bad, but honestly the only thing I find appealing about Fennekin right now is that it might not be Fighting.
Quote from: Neerb on January 11, 2013, 12:15:35 PM
GUYS THERE'S A NEW... wait...
Well, looking at what we have so far, I'm leaning towards Y version, because I like the bird better than the deer.
Starter-wise, I'm liking all of them at least a little, and I definitely feel (due to the moves from the video) that this time we'll finally have our reverse type-cycle with Grass/Dark, Fire/Psychic, and Water/Fighting. That would also mean we FINALLY get a fire starter that isn't Fighting type. Also, Chespin is the first grass starter ever to be something other than a reptile.
Between the three of them, I obviously can't really decide until I see their evos, but Chespin seems most appealing right now. Froakie is second, with Fennekin in last; it doesn't look bad, but honestly the only thing I find appealing about Fennekin right now is that it might not be Fighting.
> I obviously can't really decide until I see their evos, but Chespin seems most appealing right now. Froakie is second, with Fennekin in last;
YES FINALLY SOMEONE COOL
i don't think Chikorita was a reptile though
Chikorita looks like a lima bean, but Bayleef and Meganium look like long-necked dinosaurs.
chespin is obviously the best choice
Nope
I'm still not convinced the Fennekin is going to be Fire/Psychic. The only basis for that is it used a move that made a purple ring around its opponent. I've been playing Emerald again recently and every time a stat gets lowered, the Pokemon gets covered with a purple zigzag sort of pattern. I think it's more likely that Fennekin was using growl in the video and the purple ring was just the animation for stats being lowered.
Chespin used a dark type looking move. Froakie a fighting type looking move.
Funny thing about the human brain is that it tries to make connections.
Quote from: Mona on January 11, 2013, 01:33:38 PM
I'm still not convinced the Fennekin is going to be Fire/Psychic. The only basis for that is it used a move that made a purple ring around its opponent. I've been playing Emerald again recently and every time a stat gets lowered, the Pokemon gets covered with a purple zigzag sort of pattern. I think it's more likely that Fennekin was using growl in the video and the purple ring was just the animation for stats being lowered.
Purple circles are generated from its face, then purple waves appear around the enemy moving upwards and outwards while the enemy does an "injured" animation.
Not guaranteed psychicness, but definitely similar, and I highly doubt it's Growl or a stat-drop animation.
wouldn't it be nice if they introduced an item that allowed pachirisu, luvdisc, and tauros to evolve into emolga, alomomola, and bouffalant, and for those three to breed into the first three?
wouldn't happen but it'd be nice
Emolga's stats are hardly an evolution of anything. But yeah, it would be nice.
it's too bad they'll never do it
Quote from: The Riddler on January 12, 2013, 04:34:33 AM
wouldn't it be nice if they introduced an item that allowed pachirisu, luvdisc, and tauros to evolve into emolga, alomomola, and bouffalant, and for those three to breed into the first three?
wouldn't happen but it'd be nice
luvdisc is the only one of those that makes sense
Considering Bouffalant is arguably worse than Tauros I'd wager its a good thing they stay separate.
i could accept a baby with branching evolutions to tauros and bouffalant but its still a stretch
Quote from: zephilicious on January 12, 2013, 10:58:28 AM
luvdisc is the only one of those that makes sense
i do hope you're only saying that because you're taking stats into account.
ignoring stats, they fit perfectly, and they've rewritten stats in the past
Pachirisu, Electric Squirrel. Emolga, Electric Flying Squirrel. They even look the same.
Tauros - Normal type Bull. Bouffalant - Normal type Buffalo. They even look the same.
Luvdisc - Heart shaped fish. Alomomola - heart shaped fish with fins. They even look the same.
let's talk about how chespin is the best
Quote from: The Riddler on January 12, 2013, 09:46:19 PM
ignoring stats, they fit perfectly, and they've rewritten stats in the past
They've only rewritten stats twice. Once when the Special stat was divided into Spatk and Spdef and once when EV's were introduced. In both cases, stats remained mostly the same.
Quote from: The Riddler on January 12, 2013, 09:46:19 PM
Pachirisu, Electric Squirrel. Emolga, Electric Flying Squirrel. They even look the same.
Tauros - Normal type Bull. Bouffalant - Normal type Buffalo. They even look the same.
Luvdisc - Heart shaped fish. Alomomola - heart shaped fish with fins. They even look the same.
Choose your words carefully. They don't look exactly the same.
Quote from: Custom on January 13, 2013, 03:04:20 AM
let's talk about how chespin is the best
This is the first time since RSE that I've liked all three.
Quote from: Custom on January 13, 2013, 03:04:20 AM
let's talk about how chespin is the best
What do you think he is? What will he turn into?
of all the fan art evos i've seen this guy (http://nastyjungle.deviantart.com/art/chespin-evolution-347516595)'s are the best
Quote from: zephilicious on January 13, 2013, 09:02:25 PM
of all the fan art evos i've seen this guy (http://nastyjungle.deviantart.com/art/chespin-evolution-347516595)'s are the best
those are god awful zeph
Quote from: Neerb on January 13, 2013, 07:33:50 PM
What do you think he is? What will he turn into?
doesn't matter
you just gotta wait for the time to come bro
you can't decide the fate of pokemon
Quote from: Z on January 13, 2013, 09:05:41 PM
those are god awful zeph
i like the bulky cutesy first gen vibe
So, the first stages of the starters are all confirmed for pure fire/water/grass.
Still, it's likely they could get a second typing in their later stages.
(http://images.4chan.org/vp/src/1358173067673.png)
(Not my screen shot)
I think Bulbasaur is literally the only first-stage starter that was dual type.
Yeah, it's not really that much of a surprise.
I just thought I'd share.
let's talk about things that matter
i hope you can turn battle animations off
this game looks slow as intercourse
fr/lg master race speeds
Quote from: Custom on January 15, 2013, 11:58:18 PM
let's talk about things that matter
i hope you can turn battle animations off
this game looks slow as intercourse
fr/lg master race speeds
I like the battle animations.
If I want speed I just play Pokemon on a simulator. But I do hope we get the option and I don't see why we wouldn't. We got it with past games.
i could see them taking it out. text based battles are going to look really awkward with 3d models standing around.
I'm just going to throw some speculation out there. If any of this was already said, then sorry, didn't get around to reading the whole thread at the time of writing:
Assuming we get a third version instead of sequels, it will most likely be called Pokemon Z. Pokemon X, Y, and Z therefore represent the X, Y, and Z axes which are present together for the first time in a Pokemon game, since we now have full 3D.
Xerneas represents land. Yveltal represents the air. The third Pokemon may be some sort of sea serpent--then we'll have land, air, and sea, and its serpentine body will allow it to form a vague Z shape, similar to how Yveltal is Y-shaped in flight and Xerneas is... well, its antlers and front legs could make an X if we saw it in a different pose.
And then there's this:
(https://i.chzbgr.com/maxW500/6967666432/h9DDC3776/)
I'm honestly hoping no to new types at this point, but it's an interesting theory. Especially because Soundproof could end up functioning like Levitate...
By the way, I like Yveltal. Haters gonna hate.
I highly, highly doubt we'll get any new types this gen. And what haters? Yveltal looks sick.
Also, the best theory right now (which is so good that I'd hardly call it theory at all) is that they're based on Norse Mythology. Yggdrasil, the world tree that connects all realms, is divided into three main section: branches, trunk, and roots. The branches, where realm of the gods is, are associated with a magic, blind eagle; the trunk, which is where earth is located, is associated with four deer, each of which has a different colored set of crystals in their antlers: yellow, red, purple, and blue. Finally, the roots, which spread out in all directions, have a serpent-like dragon that slithers through them.
Now, the eagle is certainly Yveltal; not only are they both flying creatures, but if you look at his eyes and compare them to, say, Xerneas', he definitely looks blind. He also is in the shape of a Y, and represents the Y plane, which is vertical, because he lives at the top of the tree.
The deer, then, is Xerneas. Just as there are 4 deer, he has 4 pairs of antlers... and they're the EXACT COLORS. He can look like an X, and he represents the X plane because he lives on the horizontal ground.
This just leaves the serpent as the Z Pokemon. It's perfect because, as you mention, he could make himself into a Z, plus he represents the Z plane in that his travels among the roots allow him to go along entirely new planes, which is basically all that the Z plane is in relation to X and Y. Plus, as you mentioned, if they made him watery, then they'd have land, air, and sea, although they kinda already did that with 3rd gen.
Another thing to note: Asgard, realm of the gods, is in Yggdrasil's branches; Midgard, realm of man, is at the base of the trunk; and Hel (self-explanatory) and the various monster-infested worlds are in the roots. So, the Yveltal is heaven, Xerneas is earth, and the Z serpent would be hell.
This theory makes great sense not only because Yveltal and Xerneas fit the bill perfectly and it's crazily meta with the whole X-Y-Z theme, but also because Norse is European, and the new region is in Europe.
Quote from: Neerb on February 05, 2013, 08:23:49 PM
I highly, highly doubt we'll get any new types this gen. And what haters? Yveltal looks sick.
Also, the best theory right now (which is so good that I'd hardly call it theory at all) is that they're based on Norse Mythology. Yggdrasil, the world tree that connects all realms, is divided into three main section: branches, trunk, and roots. The branches, where realm of the gods is, are associated with a magic, blind eagle; the trunk, which is where earth is located, is associated with four deer, each of which has a different colored set of crystals in their antlers: yellow, red, purple, and blue. Finally, the roots, which spread out in all directions, have a serpent-like dragon that slithers through them.
Now, the eagle is certainly Yveltal; not only are they both flying creatures, but if you look at his eyes and compare them to, say, Xerneas', he definitely looks blind. He also is in the shape of a Y, and represents the Y plane, which is vertical, because he lives at the top of the tree.
The deer, then, is Xerneas. Just as there are 4 deer, he has 4 pairs of antlers... and they're the EXACT COLORS. He can look like an X, and he represents the X plane because he lives on the horizontal ground.
This just leaves the serpent as the Z Pokemon. It's perfect because, as you mention, he could make himself into a Z, plus he represents the Z plane in that his travels among the roots allow him to go along entirely new planes, which is basically all that the Z plane is in relation to X and Y. Plus, as you mentioned, if they made him watery, then they'd have land, air, and sea, although they kinda already did that with 3rd gen.
Another thing to note: Asgard, realm of the gods, is in Yggdrasil's branches; Midgard, realm of man, is at the base of the trunk; and Hel (self-explanatory) and the various monster-infested worlds are in the roots. So, the Yveltal is heaven, Xerneas is earth, and the Z serpent would be hell.
This theory makes great sense not only because Yveltal and Xerneas fit the bill perfectly and it's crazily meta with the whole X-Y-Z theme, but also because Norse is European, and the new region is in Europe.
I agree with the mythology thing or whatever and decided not to mention it because I thought it was obvious; what I'm saying is that they could very well be based on multiple different things (which I'm sure has happened in the past, only to be overlooked)
I am 100% positive there will be no new types in this game.
Quote from: JrDude 益 on February 05, 2013, 11:59:56 PM
I am 100% positive there will be no new types in this game.
While I agree that I don't think we'll see any new types any time soon I have to say that you just don't know that with 100% certainty.
Also, guys, in the logo there is clearly a DNA strand. Obviously that is going to be an important part of the games, somehow. It'll definitely have to do with the legendaries.
Quote from: Z on February 06, 2013, 06:09:54 AM
While I agree that I don't think we'll see any new types any time soon I have to say that you just don't know that with 100% certainty.
Also, guys, in the logo there is clearly a DNA strand. Obviously that is going to be an important part of the games, somehow. It'll definitely have to do with the legendaries.
Yes I can.
In terms of the DNA thing,
Quote from: JrDude 益 on January 09, 2013, 01:08:03 PM
So. I think Xerneas is going to basically be the ancestor of all mammals, where Yveltal is going to be the ancestor of all egg-laying species, (even though ALL species lay eggs in Pokémon).
Also, Xerneas will be female, while Yveltal will be male. Xerneas is MOTHER Nature in this game. Even though both genders have the X chromosome, if any gender, it should be female, otherwise what I said is only half right.
i really hate the whole dna thing
hella dumb
i wish they would've went for this
(http://www.adobe.com/support/freehand/basics/3d_animations/images/xyz.gif)
that would've been hella sick yo
Quote from: JrDude 益 on February 06, 2013, 01:04:45 PM
Yes I can.
No, you can't, JrDude. I know you think you can, but you can't.
Quote from: Custom on February 06, 2013, 01:55:54 PM
i really hate the whole dna thing
hella dumb
i wish they would've went for this
(http://www.adobe.com/support/freehand/basics/3d_animations/images/xyz.gif)
that would've been hella sick yo
They did; I mentioned it in my post. Only, that picture would be turned to the side, so X is horizontal length (Xerneas lives on the grounded part of Yggdrasil), Y is vertical width (Yveltal live high above in the branches of the tree because it can fly) and Z is the added dimension of depth (the serpent dragon has more freedom of direction than Xerneas due to traveling around the tree's roots).
Quote from: Neerb on February 06, 2013, 11:04:01 PM
They did; I mentioned it in my post. Only, that picture would be turned to the side, so X is horizontal length (Xerneas lives on the grounded part of Yggdrasil), Y is vertical width (Yveltal live high above in the branches of the tree because it can fly) and Z is the added dimension of depth (the serpent dragon has more freedom of direction than Xerneas due to traveling around the tree's roots).
dude what the intercourse does htis even mean
Quote from: JrDude 益 on February 05, 2013, 11:59:56 PM
I am 100% positive there will be no new types in this game.
And I'm sure no one thought we'd ever have more than 15 types at one point. Look at that.
Quote from: Z on February 06, 2013, 06:09:54 AM
While I agree that I don't think we'll see any new types any time soon I have to say that you just don't know that with 100% certainty.
Also, guys, in the logo there is clearly a DNA strand. Obviously that is going to be an important part of the games, somehow. It'll definitely have to do with the legendaries.
Of course, that's only in the Japanese logo. I guess it wasn't important enough? But still, if it's there, and it stands out the way it does, it definitely means something.
Quote from: JrDude 益 on January 09, 2013, 01:08:03 PM
So. I think Xerneas is going to basically be the ancestor of all mammals, where Yveltal is going to be the ancestor of all egg-laying species, (even though ALL species lay eggs in Pokémon).
Also, Xerneas will be female, while Yveltal will be male. Xerneas is MOTHER Nature in this game. Even though both genders have the X chromosome, if any gender, it should be female, otherwise what I said is only half right.
(these are all guesses, nothing confirmed)
I wouldn't count on the cover legendaries having genders, honestly. It's one of those trends that doesn't seem to have a reason to change.
They have never changed the non-japanese logo. Ever. And they probably won't. It's too iconic for them to change it.
I doubt that the DNA strand is just there for poops and giggles
Quote from: Z on February 07, 2013, 05:11:51 PM
I doubt that the DNA strand is just there for poops and giggles
I don't think anyone said it was.
Quote from: Kayo on February 07, 2013, 05:24:49 PM
I don't think anyone said it was.
No, but you did say it "wasn't important enough". I explained why the non-japanese logo wouldn't be changed man.
have you guys seen the new main dudes
i'm glad there's a dude with long hair
now i can feel like i'm in da game
I'm liking both of the MC's for this game.
The femMC in particular is pretty adorbs from what we've seen so far.
Quote from: Z on February 07, 2013, 07:39:32 PM
No, but you did say it "wasn't important enough". I explained why the non-japanese logo wouldn't be changed man.
Well I meant more along the lines of it's not something that the average American Pokemon player will end up seeing.
But honestly, Japan always gets the cool logos. I know the American yellow-and-blue "Pokémon" graphic will never leave us, but it's still a bit more interesting what the Japanese logo does to the franchise name.
Quote from: Kayo on February 09, 2013, 02:48:49 PM
Well I meant more along the lines of it's not something that the average American Pokemon player will end up seeing.
But honestly, Japan always gets the cool logos. I know the American yellow-and-blue "Pokémon" graphic will never leave us, but it's still a bit more interesting what the Japanese logo does to the franchise name.
bro i think you pretty much lost your point here
just admit you said something that wasn't the smartest thing to say lol
we're still getting the pokemon game from japan, it's not like they're going to edit out all traces of the dna from the American game whenever that poop comes into play
Quote from: Custom on February 07, 2013, 08:35:06 PM
have you guys seen the new main dudes
i'm glad there's a dude with long hair
now i can feel like i'm in da game
Those intercourse ing glasses
Quote from: Custom on February 09, 2013, 03:26:04 PM
bro i think you pretty much lost your point here
just admit you said something that wasn't the smartest thing to say lol
we're still getting the pokemon game from japan, it's not like they're going to edit out all traces of the dna from the American game whenever that poop comes into play
You're not seeing my point at all, not even a little bit. But whatever.
Quote from: Kayo on February 09, 2013, 11:44:01 PM
You're not seeing my point at all, not even a little bit. But whatever.
Quote from: Kayo on February 09, 2013, 02:48:49 PM
Well I meant more along the lines of it's not something that the average American Pokemon player will end up seeing.
this is the part that's dumb
new information leaked
we're getting a platypus poison type and a electric cheetah
Quote from: The Riddler on February 10, 2013, 12:33:33 PM
new information leaked
we're getting a platypus poison type and a electric cheetah
[citation needed]
I've seen a lot of "leaks" in the last four days.
Quote from: The Riddler on February 10, 2013, 12:33:33 PM
new information leaked
we're getting a platypus poison type and a electric cheetah
How about a source? I've seen nothing about this.
(Protip: In the future, best not to even mention this kind of stuff without backing it up)
we're also getting a fire/steel evolution of durant
Quote from: The Riddler on February 10, 2013, 03:38:53 PM
we're also getting a fire/steel evolution of durant
[citation needed]
In other words, ignore any Gen VI info that you get from Rob.
oh we're getting a new turtle too, ground type.
did you hear they'r adding triple typing gyarados is becoing a water-flying-dragon type guys guys kthx
Quote from: The Riddler on February 10, 2013, 08:21:37 PM
oh we're getting a new turtle too, ground type.
stop posting
thanks
Quote from: Kayo on February 10, 2013, 08:35:10 PM
did you hear they'r adding triple typing gyarados is becoing a water-flying-dragon type guys guys kthx
i have an uncle that works at gamefreaks this is true
Quote from: The Riddler on February 10, 2013, 08:21:37 PM
oh we're getting a new turtle too, ground type.
[citation needed]
I am John Gamefreak CEO of Gamefreak and you'll be seeing me in court soon.
deoxys is getting new forms was also in the leak, since he's the dna pokemon it makes sense
Quote from: The Riddler on February 10, 2013, 10:59:06 PM
deoxys is getting new forms was also in the leak, since he's the dna pokemon it makes sense
seriously intercourse off i don't care unless you post a source
Edit #2: This is almost definitely a fake. I'm gonna leave it here anyway, though, for your viewing pleasure.
Take this with a grain of salt as it's not 100% absolutely confirmed yet, though this is apparently a leaked CoroCoro scan.
(http://i.imgur.com/UUrELfg.jpg)
It shows the male protagonist more clearly and contains some key information about Yveltal: It is said to be a Dragon/Dark type Pokémon with an ability called "Axis X," whatever that means. Somewhat odd considering Xerneas is the X-based Pokémon rather than Yveltal, but then again, Gen V went as far as to reverse the colors of the color legendaries and everyone was fine with it, so there could be a reason behind that which hints largely at the falseness of this scan. Its dimensions (5.8m and 203kg) have already been released prior to this leak.
Remember, this is not yet 100% confirmed at time of writing, so don't be surprised if something changes.
EDIT: Serebii now says via their Twitter feed (https://twitter.com/SerebiiNet/status/300861272923181056) that they are very suspicious of this scan, so the image in this post may have been removed from the site. This one might very well be is almost definitely fake, but I'm going to keep it here anyway just in case.
custom stop being retarded i'm obviously intercourse ing around
Quote from: The Riddler on February 11, 2013, 12:15:57 AM
custom stop being retarded i'm obviously intercourse ing around
it was really funny yeah
New CoroCoro scan, this one more trustworthy than the false leak yesterday. It shows a silhouette of a new Pokemon. Enjoy.
(http://www.serebii.net/corocoro2130.jpg)
EDIT: This Pokemon is to be called Ninfia (ニンフィア); this is not 100% confirmed but comes from a reliable source. Unknown whether or not Ninfia is its English name in addition to its Japanese name. If it is, this might be our new cute, tiny legendary for Gen VI. (Because of how early it was revealed; remember Victini was also revealed very early for B/W) Just kidding guys, it's a NEW EEVEELUTION of an unknown type.
(http://www.serebii.net/ninfia.jpg)
EDIT 2: Also, if anyone else cares, Serebii says the nest movie will feature Genesect and Mewtwo. yes, Mewtwo. Whee.
it looks like it could be normal but I'm kind of hoping it'll be flying
Quote from: RazorFilledCandy on February 11, 2013, 09:46:07 PM
it looks like it could be normal but I'm kind of hoping it'll be flying
People are theorizing that Ninfia is derived from "Nimbus" (Ninbasu in Japanese) with the same -ia suffix that new Eeveelutions have shared starting in Gen IV (Okay, so there's only two such Pokemon, but it's defenitely becoming a trend like the -eon suffix in English). Doesn't explain the letter F, but we're not going to get that picky.
It's more likely to be Flying than Normal, I think. Besides, It took until Gen V to have a pure Flying type, and even then we only have one. GF probably thought we could use another.
I'm almost positive it's Normal type. But I will wait until it's official type is released.
Quote from: JrDude 益 on February 12, 2013, 12:08:24 AM
I'm almost positive it's Normal type. But I will wait until it's official type is released.
I feel like it could honestly be either. Or a new type.
EDIT: Clearer image of Ninfia from Serebii. Doesn't show any new info, but it's a better view of the new Pokemon.
(http://www.serebii.net/corocoro213.jpg)
Normal type=Barf
I sincerely hope its Flying
Ninfia is pretty cool, and it's an eeveelution so I'm pleased.
Also, has anyone considered Dragon? After all Flygon and Altaria are dragons, yet Charizard isn't. It's the only "special" type that the Eeveelutions haven't covered yet.
But yeah, probably either Normal or Flying, but we'll have to see.
Quote from: Nayrman on February 12, 2013, 08:41:33 AM
Ninfia is pretty cool, and it's an eeveelution so I'm pleased.
Also, has anyone considered Dragon? After all Flygon and Altaria are dragons, yet Charizard isn't. It's the only "special" type that the Eeveelutions haven't covered yet.
But yeah, probably either Normal or Flying, but we'll have to see.
Agreed man
Well Flygon is based on the Adult Antlion(trapinch being its larval stage), which resembles a dragonfly. So that explains Flygon's dragon typing. Japanese lore takes that sort of literally, I guess. Same reason Kingdra is a dragon type. Sea horses are seen as sea dragons.
Altaria is based on the mythical Peng, which are Chinese birds with long dragon necks/heads and dragon whiskers but are otherwise very bird-like. That explains Altaria.
So I think a dragon typing for this Pokemon might be a bit of a stretch. If you look at the rest of the eeveelutions down on the bottom right page, you see "less than" symbols between Espeon and Umbreon and then Umbreon and Leafeon. Only for those two. Which is weird.
What if this new Eeveelution is a new type that is weak to Dark and Grass? I don't know, I'm just throwing poop around at this point.
Quote from: Z on February 12, 2013, 08:56:50 AM
Agreed man
Well Flygon is based on the Adult Antlion(trapinch being its larval stage), which resembles a dragonfly. So that explains Flygon's dragon typing. Japanese lore takes that sort of literally, I guess. Same reason Kingdra is a dragon type. Sea horses are seen as sea dragons.
Altaria is based on the mythical Peng, which are Chinese birds with long dragon necks/heads and dragon whiskers but are otherwise very bird-like. That explains Altaria.
So I think a dragon typing for this Pokemon might be a bit of a stretch. If you look at the rest of the eeveelutions down on the bottom right page, you see "less than" symbols between Espeon and Umbreon and then Umbreon and Leafeon. Only for those two. Which is weird.
What if this new Eeveelution is a new type that is weak to Dark and Grass? I don't know, I'm just throwing poop around at this point.
Oh, I know where they come from, it's just that "Dragon" type doesn't really mean "dragon" in the typical sense so really, it could be anything.
Ultimately, I doubt they're bringing in a new type at this juncture. They need to balance the types they DO have before I'd want any more. *Poison is still utterly useless btw*. But yeah, my three votes are on Normal, Flying, or Dragon.
Poison just isn't meant to be an offensive typing. They should buff its defensive capability slightly, but only slightly. Resistance to fighting, bug, and immunity to toxic is actually really good in competitive play. Toxicroak, Roserade, and Tentacruel's usability is very thanks in part to their poison typing.
I'd argue that Ice is more useless than Poison. Ice Pokemon have a great STAB but that doesn't matter when they're fodder to practically everything, only resist their own type, and are only immune to FRZ status(which is the rarest status effect in the games).
I agree that the typing chart is crazy imbalanced. At least its better than Psychic/Normal domination back in Gen I
Quote from: Z on February 12, 2013, 09:13:08 AM
Poison just isn't meant to be an offensive typing. They should buff its defensive capability slightly, but only slightly. Resistance to fighting, bug, and immunity to toxic is actually really good in competitive play. Toxicroak, Roserade, and Tentacruel's usability is very thanks in part to their poison typing.
I'd argue that Ice is more useless than Poison. Ice Pokemon have a great STAB but that doesn't matter when they're fodder to practically everything, only resist their own type, and are only immune to FRZ status(which is the rarest status effect in the games).
I agree that the typing chart is crazy imbalanced. At least its better than Psychic/Normal domination back in Gen I
Nothing is worse than Gen 1 in terms of balancing. Yeesh.
Ultimately, I think they just need to retool the entire chart, change some strengths and weaknesses around. For example, poison should be strong against fighting, as the more you move and exert yourself if poisoned, the faster it spreads. But yes, boost their defensive capabilities and poison won't be totally useless.
I also agree on Ice. It should probably be strong against water (as ice keeps your drinks cold rather than using drinks to heat up ice, heh.).
One major thing I wish they'd change is pointlessly complicated evolutions. Just make them level ups! We understand you didn't think of Electrivire or Gliscor back at the time. We don't need some pointlessly held item or whatever to "explain" why we couldn't get them before. We understand, just make them level ups. <_<:;
Quote from: Nayrman on February 12, 2013, 09:24:18 AM
One major thing I wish they'd change is pointlessly complicated evolutions. Just make them level ups! We understand you didn't think of Electrivire or Gliscor back at the time. We don't need some pointlessly held item or whatever to "explain" why we couldn't get them before. We understand, just make them level ups. <_<:;
Honestly I'm cool with the items as long as they're "Level Up w/item held" if you catch my drift.
I just think the trading to evolve thing is stupid and it has been stupid for a while. Everyone just traded back anyway, even back in Gen I.
"Dude can you help me evolve my Machoke?"
"Sure, I need to evolve my Kadabra anyway"
...was common chatter back then.
Quote from: Z on February 12, 2013, 09:35:08 AM
Honestly I'm cool with the items as long as they're "Level Up w/item held" if you catch my drift.
I just think the trading to evolve thing is stupid and it has been stupid for a while. Everyone just traded back anyway, even back in Gen I.
"Dude can you help me evolve my Machoke?"
"Sure, I need to evolve my Kadabra anyway"
...was common chatter back then.
Yeah, Trade evolutions never made much sense. I still think the held items are really lame though. I mean, how does a big red block make Magmar evolve somehow? Seriously, if they MUST be holding an item, just level up please... Or use the evolutionary stones more often. Hell, the Fire Stone was only used on Gen 1 pokemon until Pansear in gen 5.
Using the evolution stones more would make more sense
but new ways to evolve have always built hype up for the games. I'm guilty of this poop too. I remember thinking it was awesome how Eevee evolved into Umbreon/Espeon until the Dawn/Dusk stones were made. Ever since I've just wished that they'd switch.
Quote from: Z on February 12, 2013, 10:06:07 AM
Using the evolution stones more would make more sense
but new ways to evolve have always built hype up for the games. I'm guilty of this poop too. I remember thinking it was awesome how Eevee evolved into Umbreon/Espeon until the Dawn/Dusk stones were made. Ever since I've just wished that they'd switch.
Indeed, or better yet, just make it so they can evolve multiple ways. that'd solve everything. If you'd rather have a low level Electrivire, then just trade with Electrilizer. Or make it a later level (like 65) if you don't have anyone to trade with. Make some very simple means that you may have to go out of the way for, but simple stones/level ups should always be an option just to make it easier on people.
Quote from: Z on February 12, 2013, 08:56:50 AM
So I think a dragon typing for this Pokemon might be a bit of a stretch. If you look at the rest of the eeveelutions down on the bottom right page, you see "less than" symbols between Espeon and Umbreon and then Umbreon and Leafeon. Only for those two. Which is weird.
What if this new Eeveelution is a new type that is weak to Dark and Grass? I don't know, I'm just throwing poop around at this point.
Uh, what? Those aren't "less than" symbols, they're the Japanese character "く", which along with whatever else is written there could simply represent the types of the known Eeveelutions. (If memory serves, the Japanese spelling of the Dark type uses that symbol in the games).
It's so intercourse ing ugly, like Leafeon. Everything up to Glaceon was awesome. This looks like crap. They better use the 'eon' on the end, though.
Also, I'm saying it's Normal Type. It doesn't scream flying, dragon, or anything of the such. Just looks like a plain normal type akin Chansey, Clefairy, Audino, Mincinno, etc.
Quote from: The Riddler on February 12, 2013, 01:50:55 PM
They better use the 'eon' on the end, though.
Uh, did anyone honestly, even for a second, think they wouldn't?
QuoteAlso, I'm saying it's Normal Type. It doesn't scream flying, dragon, or anything of the such. Just looks like a plain normal type akin Chansey, Clefairy, Audino, Mincinno, etc.
It could very well be flying. I honestly wouldn't expect them to throw huge Pegasus wings onto an Eeveelution, for one. Two, we haven't had a pure Flying-type until Gen V, and even then it was just one, so they could likely be looking to make a few more--an Eeveelution is a perfect way to do this. Besides, the aforementioned pure Flying type doesn't possess wings of any sort (alternate forme aside), so it's a little late to use the "It doesn't have wings, it can't be a flying type" argument.
Not sure how to put this, but I'd imagine a Normal-type Eeveelution looking more... "normal" than this. It's just the ribbon-like features, etc. it has that make it look so different from Eevee...I'd just think a Normal Eeveelution would look a bit more similar to Eevee itself.
All that being said, it's more likely to be a Flying or Normal type than anything else. Or a new unreleased type. Which may be why they've taken special care to hide its typing, and also why they released this Pokemon so early. Whine all you want, I wouldn't quite put it past them to add one or two more that we'd just have to get used to.
Quote from: Kayo on February 12, 2013, 01:03:29 PM
Uh, what? Those aren't "less than" symbols, they're the Japanese character "く", which along with whatever else is written there could simply represent the types of the known Eeveelutions. (If memory serves, the Japanese spelling of the Dark type uses that symbol in the games).
Oh. Interesting.
I'm not familiar with japanese text
Quote from: The Riddler on February 12, 2013, 01:50:55 PM
It's so intercourse ing ugly, like Leafeon. Everything up to Glaceon was awesome. This looks like crap. They better use the 'eon' on the end, though.
Also, I'm saying it's Normal Type. It doesn't scream flying, dragon, or anything of the such. Just looks like a plain normal type akin Chansey, Clefairy, Audino, Mincinno, etc.
They will once it gets it's english name. Remember, Flareon is Booster and Umbreon is Blacky in Japan.
Tornadus, the only pure flying type, doesn't have wings. Also, Doduo/Dodrio have the flying type without wings. It's been done before.
Wonder why the past year or so has had GF really interested in Eevee/lutions. It's like they finally realized people like the little critter and his other forms.
Considering Eevee merch has been really popular since GSC I'd be surprised if Gamefreak had only just recently realized it.
I didn't say a word about wings. Plenty of flying types don't. But they have other features that make them look like they belong in the sky. This one doesn't. It has the generic colors of a normal type.
Quote from: Z on February 12, 2013, 03:07:12 PM
Considering Eevee merch has been really popular since GSC I'd be surprised if Gamefreak had only just recently realized it.
It wouldn't surprise me considering they've been shilling that annoying yellow rat for the last 18 years we're all sick of. I still look for official Eevee merch in the states but it's all in Japan only, so I think it's still reasonable to assume they're just realizing his popularity.
Quote from: The Riddler on February 12, 2013, 03:14:39 PM
I didn't say a word about wings. Plenty of flying types don't. But they have other features that make them look like they belong in the sky. This one doesn't. It has the generic colors of a normal type.
Because it's pink? Exploud is purple and that's normal. Snorlax is white and blueish grey, and that's normal. Gorebyss (or however you spell it) and Luvdisc are completely pink and are water types. There really is no set patten for colors and physiology for pokemon anymore to really base it off of for typing to be honest. (Remember, Altaria = Dragon, Charizard != Dragon. Heh)
Okay, so using a couple of examples means that it's colors aren't generic to that type?
Generally, normal types are Pink and White.
Generally, water types are Blue.
Generally, fire types are red.
yes there are other colors for each one but it was generally speaking. stop being stupid and trying to pick apart what i said
Quote from: Nayrman on February 12, 2013, 03:20:46 PM
It wouldn't surprise me considering they've been shilling that annoying yellow rat for the last 18 years we're all sick of.
Who's we? Pikachu is Pokemon's mascot and that won't change. People love Pikachu. What are you talking about?
Quote from: The Riddler on February 12, 2013, 03:33:23 PM
Okay, so using a couple of examples means that it's colors aren't generic to that type?
Generally, normal types are Pink and White.
Generally, water types are Blue.
Generally, fire types are red.
yes there are other colors for each one but it was generally speaking. stop being stupid and trying to pick apart what i said
Just because it's the average color pallete doesn't mean that it IS so. I was just merely showing that just because it's primarily pink doesn't mean it's normal type. Sheesh.
Quote from: Z on February 12, 2013, 03:40:01 PM
Who's we? Pikachu is Pokemon's mascot and that won't change. People love Pikachu. What are you talking about?
Oh, I know. I'm just tired of seeing it's face when it isn't even that good in the games and to be honest there isn't much special about it from other mons. Pikachu in it of itself is just fine. I'm just tired of seeing it. <_<;;
the fact that this is so contested is a pretty compelling argument in favor of a new type. every other eevee evolution is obvious at a glance.
not that i think we're getting a new type, but i'm less sure than i was yesterday
Quote from: Nayrman on February 12, 2013, 03:05:16 PM
Wonder why the past year or so has had GF really interested in Eevee/lutions. It's like they finally realized people like the little critter and his other forms.
What do you mean by that? Unless it's something partially irrelevant to this, because I thought it was generally assumed that they'd be following a pattern of releasing a pair of new Eeveelutions each even-numbered generation. I've heard that said a whole lot and so far it holds true.
Quote from: The Riddler on February 12, 2013, 03:14:39 PM
I didn't say a word about wings. Plenty of flying types don't. But they have other features that make them look like they belong in the sky. This one doesn't. It has the generic colors of a normal type.
So tell me what the generic colors of a flying type are. Oh, that's right. There are none.
Quote from: The Riddler on February 12, 2013, 03:33:23 PM
Generally, normal types are Pink and White.
Now you're just plain talking out your ass, so I'm going to do this. There are 97 Normal-type Pokemon. Only 17 of them are in the Pink color category. Of those 17, nine of them are part of only three evolutionary families (Clefairy, Chansey, and Jigglypuff along with their relatives).
Here's the interesting part. Of those 97 Normal-type Pokemon,
thirty-five of them are in the Brown color category, including our beloved Eevee. So why isn't Brown the "generic Normal-type color"? It's more than twice as populous as Pink.
Pink has never been a staple for Normal-type Pokemon; the only time it comes close is maybe if you were talking about only pure normal types (of which there are still a full 68) and you were only sticking to Generation I. But we're not.
Amendment: Maybe I should give credit to the seven White Normal-types, just for the sake of accuracy. Even with that included, it's not enough to defend your theory, though. Maybe the only place it has merit is the fact that of the 37 Pink Pokemon (not counting Ninfia) just under half of them are Normal types. Basically, Pink Pokemon are more often Normal than any other single type, but they're more likely to be a non-Normal type than Normal.
tl;dr Normal types are not "generally pink and white," factually speaking.Quote from: zephilicious on February 12, 2013, 03:57:44 PM
the fact that this is so contested is a pretty compelling argument in favor of a new type. every other eevee evolution is obvious at a glance.
not that i think we're getting a new type, but i'm less sure than i was yesterday
I've been secretly hinting at this a bit in transparent text, not because I strongly think we'll get a new type, but because I don't think it's impossible at all for us to get a new one. Or two.
Anyone else get the feeling that there may be a more "boyish" second eeveelution? I mean, not that GF hasn't had male feminine pokemon *coughGardevoircough* but this is incredibly feminine with the pink, hearts, bows/ribbons, etc. Just a thought.
I didn't say "it IS", I said I think it is. That's my call, my guess.'
Edit: Who gives a intercourse about color group that thing is intercourse ing dumb and inaccurate.
Quote from: The Riddler on February 12, 2013, 09:11:30 PM
I didn't say "it IS", I said I think it is. That's my call, my guess.'
Edit: Who gives a intercourse about color group that thing is intercourse ing dumb and inaccurate.
It's literally hilarious how you stand so firmly by something, but as soon as someone calls you out and proves you wrong you dismiss it as "intercourse ing dumb." That's cute.
The color group thing is actually inaccurate and dumb as hell. Citing color group and relating it to typing is dumb. I'm going by the actual color, not the "grouping"
you guys are nerddzz
Quote from: Kayo on February 12, 2013, 11:33:05 PM
It's literally hilarious how you stand so firmly by something, but as soon as someone calls you out and proves you wrong you dismiss it as "intercourse ing dumb." That's cute.
literally hilarious
you redundant chuckleintercourse
bear i miss you
i have a bad habit of joining communities, becoming the best person there, then leaving abruptly
get back on em ninny
kaos how many pink flying types are there PLEASE let me know becuase that is the only way i will believe you!
CHAOS!
CHAOOOS
CHAOS!!!!
CAHOSSSSS!!!!
CHAOS!@@@@
OHCOASH!!
Quote from: Bearissoslow on February 13, 2013, 03:13:06 AM
CHAOS!
CHAOOOS
CHAOS!!!!
CAHOSSSSS!!!!
CHAOS!@@@@
OHCOASH!!
my favorite part of ff7 is when they want to cut cloud's dick off
my favorite part of FFVII is the green label
lets go back to calling him kock
also just hoppip
Quote from: The Riddler on February 13, 2013, 03:15:44 AM
lets go back to calling him kock
also just hoppip
looks like you were right
confirmed for normal
Now that you guys bring up colors, I guess I'll throw something in that I just thought of.
The random Blue at the end of the ribbony thingies
Literally every Eeveelution has had the color of it's type in the color of it's type on it's body, regardless of what the "generic" color is.
(http://cdn.bulbagarden.net/upload/c/cb/FlyingIC_Big.png)
Hell, Dragon is similar, and the second color on Dragon isn't too far from this Eeveelution, though I still doubt it more than Flying.
(http://cdn.bulbagarden.net/upload/4/48/DragonIC_Big.png)
The fact that there's random blue parts at the end of the ribbons? Coincidence? or staying true?
I'm not saying I have full blown proof or anything, but I think the idea is considerable.
Though, who's to say it's not going to be a Normal/Flying?
Would be terrible and doubtful because of all the other Eevee types, but it's not impossible.
yo who cares you won't be able to get it until the sixth gym anyway
being that they're keeping the method of evolution a secret and it's type a secret
i'mma say this is the female version and there will be a male version, each a different type. this one will be normal. male will be fighting.
booyaka
Quote from: The Riddler on February 13, 2013, 03:19:28 AM
being that they're keeping the method of evolution a secret and it's type a secret
i'mma say this is the female version and there will be a male version, each a different type. this one will be normal. male will be fighting.
booyaka
i don't even think they can do that can they? that'll be all intercourse ed up
method of evolution via gender, they've done it before. plus it'd be a difference they havent done before for eevee. it used to be the fire/lightning/ice triangle, then dark/psychic, then grass/ice. normal/fighting works, as does male/female.
speculation obv, but this is clearly ladylike.
Quote from: The Riddler on February 13, 2013, 03:22:12 AM
method of evolution via gender, they've done it before. plus it'd be a difference they havent done before for eevee. it used to be the fire/lightning/ice triangle, then dark/psychic, then grass/ice. normal/fighting works, as does male/female.
speculation obv, but this is clearly ladylike.
i don't conform to your cis gender roles it can be a boy they're not going to do that to poor eevee
idk why you're all freaking about delcatty's final form
pokemon clearly hates transgenders
and gays
i want 4th evolutions
that'll be brutal
Quote from: Custom on February 13, 2013, 03:28:20 AM
i want 4th evolutions
that'll be brutal
It'd be crazy.
Imagine a Magmortor evolution.
Quote from: The Riddler on February 13, 2013, 03:19:28 AM
being that they're keeping the method of evolution a secret and it's type a secret
i'mma say this is the female version and there will be a male version, each a different type. this one will be normal. male will be fighting.
booyaka
I think that if there was going to be a male and female version they would have revealed them both at the same time.
I could be wrong, though.
I'm suspicious about them not revealing the type right away... It makes me think there's going to be a new type.
Even if there isn't going to be a new type, all of the dragon/flying/bug type theories seem very far fetched. If it's not a new type it's most likely normal.
They're keeping the method of evolving it a secret as well... also suspicious. Could it have something to do with the new "bonding" feature that Matsuda was talking about?
Just throwing out theories here.
you guys are dumb pokemon is dumb
Quote from: The Riddler on February 13, 2013, 03:26:20 AM
pokemon clearly hates transgenders
and gays
Random related fact: One of every three female Azurill will evolve into a male Marill, thus undergoing a gender change through evolution
Quote from: Custom on February 13, 2013, 03:10:04 AM
kaos how many pink flying types are there PLEASE let me know becuase that is the only way i will believe you!
Just one, maybe two. That wasn't my point in the slightest.
But wait guys I thought color groups are inacuate wut r u doin
Quote from: Kayo on February 13, 2013, 06:27:47 PM
Random related fact: One of every three female Azurill will evolve into a male Marill, thus undergoing a gender change through evolution
Just one, maybe two. That wasn't my point in the slightest.
But wait guys I thought color groups are inacuate wut r u doin
i don't think they are!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
IGN has official art for the eeveelution. Its English name is "Sylveon." Still no type.
Quote from: Neerb on February 14, 2013, 07:26:04 AM
IGN has official art for the eeveelution. Its English name is "Sylveon." Still no type.
nah son there was this vid
if you think this is anything but normal or a new type GE TOUT
but if it's a new type using swift is a terrible way to showcase it
Hm, well if Light IS a new type, this would be it, because those were all light-based moves.
Bet it's normal, though.
Quote from: Neerb on February 14, 2013, 08:45:29 AM
Hm, well if Light IS a new type, this would be it, because those were all light-based moves.
Bet it's normal, though.
WELL that's interesting
I'm sticking with Fairy if it's a new type. it fits better than all the other poop types people are throwing around.
also this http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sylph (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sylph)
and the german name translates to fairy
oh and nymph in french/japanese
the name is obviously based on fairies whatever that says about it's type.
Or spirit type i like that name better
Someone beat me to pointing out Sylph, which is fairy.
Fairys in Pokemon are usually Normal. I doubt it'll be a new type.
Echoed Voice: Learned by Eeve via leveling up. Normal type move.
or
Hyper Voice: Learned by Eevee via Tutor. Normal type move.
Trump Card: Learned by Eevee by leveling up. Normal type move.
Swift: Only learned via Dream World, but still, Normal type move.
I don't know what the third move is.
Quote from: The Riddler on February 14, 2013, 12:01:08 PM
Echoed Voice: Learned by Eeve via leveling up. Normal type move.
or
Hyper Voice: Learned by Eevee via Tutor. Normal type move.
Trump Card: Learned by Eevee by leveling up. Normal type move.
Swift: Only learned via Dream World, but still, Normal type move.
I don't know what the third move is.
Could be a new move.
Also, seems you're forgetting that moves can change types when a new type is added (Bite was a Normal-type in Gen I, for example). None of those except Swift could even partially make sense as a "light type," but any type of Pokemon can use normal type moves.
Flying seems to definitely be out of the question by now. Like I said before, they're releasing this single Pokemon super early and highlighting it, so if it was a new type it would make sense. Going with either Normal or an unreleased type on this one.
Quote from: The Riddler on February 14, 2013, 12:01:08 PM
Echoed Voice: Learned by Eeve via leveling up. Normal type move.
or
Hyper Voice: Learned by Eevee via Tutor. Normal type move.
Trump Card: Learned by Eevee by leveling up. Normal type move.
Swift: Only learned via Dream World, but still, Normal type move.
I don't know what the third move is.
general consensus is double edge, trump card,???, swift.
IE: all moves eevee learns and they mean nothing
i guess the moves you posted fit that too but whatever
Quote from: zephilicious on February 14, 2013, 01:32:37 PM
general consensus is double edge, trump card,???, swift.
IE: all moves eevee learns and they mean nothing
Yeah, like I said, Normal type moves that every Pokemon type can learn. If they're being so secretive about its type, they won't show it using attacks that are so obviously a certain type (Flamethrower, etc)
Let me just say, at this point, if they withheld the type just for it to be Normal I'm not going to be happy. I'm actually starting to hope for a new type, just because I think it would be interesting.
Quote from: Kayo on February 14, 2013, 02:19:47 PM
Yeah, like I said, Normal type moves that every Pokemon type can learn. If they're being so secretive about its type, they won't show it using attacks that are so obviously a certain type (Flamethrower, etc)
This.
They're showing typical Eevee moves to keep the type a secret. That doesn't mean it's normal. The more I think about it the more I really really think it's a new type. A fairy type would be cool, but I can hear all the male Pokemon fans groaning already. A light type would probably be the most likely thing.
it doesnt looks any more like light than normal or flying (or dragon or bug of any of the other bullpoop i've seen popping up)
spirit has multiple definitions that fit both fairies (except more gender neutral) and light/holy
covers all the bases and it sounds better than anything else i've heard next to the other types
the only negative being that it's a little too close to ghost. but we already have rock/ground and water/ice
The only reason why I say Light over Spirit or anything else is because we already have a Dark type.
but as is always argued, if noa hadn't been trying to be so family friendly, dark would have been better translated as evil.
fighting (which in japan brings connotations of honor and goodness) is already supposed to be the opposite of dark
the moves related to shadows and darkness are all currently ghost type. spirit strikes me as a better name for the opposite of ghost than light does.
Spirit=Ghost though
What about "life" or "Creation" type? "Divine" type?
they're definitely not going to do anything with religious connotations
Quote from: zephilicious on February 14, 2013, 03:37:03 PM
they're definitely not going to do anything with religious connotations
Too late for that one.
Groudon=Behemoth
Kyogre=Leviathan
Rayquaza=Zi
but yeah I don't see it. Its a better polar opposite to Ghost than Spirit is though
Quote from: zephilicious on February 14, 2013, 03:37:03 PM
they're definitely not going to do anything with religious connotations
eh they already got evolution going for em
we already lost that crowd
Ok, well, IF it's a new type, and we're going with the Light/etc. Why not "Pure" type. It gets the "Holy" or "Light" connotations without being religious at all. Thinking it could be strong against Dark and Psychic (as psychics are still really OP) and be weak to say, Fighting (It's been conveyed that fighting beats dark because they're "honorable" and fight fair against tricksters) and one other type, poison maybe? (poison adds impurities).
Just my thoughts.
Quote from: zephilicious on February 14, 2013, 02:44:54 PM
it doesnt looks any more like light than normal or flying (or dragon or bug of any of the other bullpoop i've seen popping up)
Well, let's look at colors, since every Eeveelution so far has matched the general color of its type (Flareon=fire/orange, Umbreon=dark/black, etc.) This thing is white and pink with a little bit of blue. If that doesn't say "Light" (or fairy/whatever fancy name GF might have up their sleeve) then I don't know what does.
I feel like people have been theorizing Light as a type since Gen II or III, to be honest, so it seems logical that we jump to that so quickly.
Quote from: Nayrman on February 14, 2013, 05:28:32 PM
Ok, well, IF it's a new type, and we're going with the Light/etc. Why not "Pure" type. It gets the "Holy" or "Light" connotations without being religious at all. Thinking it could be strong against Dark and Psychic (as psychics are still really OP) and be weak to say, Fighting (It's been conveyed that fighting beats dark because they're "honorable" and fight fair against tricksters) and one other type, poison maybe? (poison adds impurities).
Just my thoughts.
Psychic is actually a fairly poor defensive type now, so I don't think that would be necessary. It's weak to Bug, Ghost, and Dark, and while there aren't exactly super-powerful Ghost/Dark moves (ignoring the fact that common Psychic types are often defensively frail and can't take hits anyway) it would be more practical to just add some stronger Ghost/Dark moves than to throw in ANOTHER type that beats out Psychic.
But yeah, we could use another type that beats Dark. Or a type that's weak to Dark, honestly. If we had a "Light" type I feel it would be weak to Dark (maybe) and strong against Ghost (almost definitely), to start.
HOWEVER. If we do get a new type, above all I would like it if it was weak to Poison. That poor type only beats grass, and that isn't really a spectacular feat when Grass is [one of, if not] the most defensively weak type in the game. It would be nice if Poison gained a practical use on non-Poison type Pokemon. Just my opinion, there.
Well, the poison type is so effectively worthless because SO many grass types are also part poison. Hell, Tangela was the ONLY pure grass type in Gen 1, making all poison types effectively worthless in first gen.
Quote from: Kayo on February 14, 2013, 07:54:38 PM
This thing is white and pink with a little bit of blue. If that doesn't say "Light" (or fairy/whatever fancy name GF might have up their sleeve) then I don't know what does.
it screams "normal" to me
Quote from: Kayo on February 14, 2013, 07:54:38 PM
Well, let's look at colors, since every Eeveelution so far has matched the general color of its type (Flareon=fire/orange, Umbreon=dark/black, etc.) This thing is white and pink with a little bit of blue. If that doesn't say "Light" (or fairy/whatever fancy name GF might have up their sleeve) then I don't know what does.
holy intercourse you're a hypocrite
I'm just going to say that you guys are way too involved in speculating about the type of a single Pokemon. A single god darn Pokemon.
And Fairy sounds like an overly poopty name for a type. So does light. They're already playing a busy game of type balancing, I think dropping in a new type with a stupid name isn't going to assist anything.
Quote from: The Riddler on February 14, 2013, 08:44:16 PM
holy intercourse you're a hypocrite
oh yeah i guess that is pretty funny seeing as he got all mad at you calling it normal because pink which honestly was one of the things i first thought of when i saw it
Quote from: Flying Chickens on February 14, 2013, 09:45:58 PM
I'm just going to say that you guys are way too involved in speculating about the type of a single Pokemon. A single god darn Pokemon.
And Fairy sounds like an overly poopty name for a type. So does light. They're already playing a busy game of type balancing, I think dropping in a new type with a stupid name isn't going to assist anything.
i agree
honestly i've never used an eevee or eeveelution in my life hahaha
Quote from: Nayrman on February 14, 2013, 08:15:36 PM
Well, the poison type is so effectively worthless because SO many grass types are also part poison. Hell, Tangela was the ONLY pure grass type in Gen 1, making all poison types effectively worthless in first gen.
It's also the only attacking type that is only supereffective against one type, not counting Normal which doesn't beat anything and probably never will. And yeah, a good chunk of Grass types aren't even weak to it.
Quote from: Flying Chickens on February 14, 2013, 09:45:58 PM
I'm just going to say that you guys are way too involved in speculating about the type of a single Pokemon. A single god darn Pokemon.
And Fairy sounds like an overly poopty name for a type. So does light. They're already playing a busy game of type balancing, I think dropping in a new type with a stupid name isn't going to assist anything.
I'm still convinced that the fact that it was released so early (being the first non-starter, non-legendary Pokemon released in Gen VI) and without a brother Eeveelution means SOMETHING. I'm just not sure what.
Quote from: Custom on February 14, 2013, 10:07:45 PM
honestly i've never used an eevee or eeveelution in my life hahaha
Really? I've used all of them except Glaceon at one point or another; Espeon, Vaporeon, Umbreon, and Leafeon get the most use. Heck, either Espeon or Vaporeon are literally always on my team.
Quote from: Flying Chickens on February 14, 2013, 09:45:58 PM
I'm just going to say that you guys are way too involved in speculating about the type of a single Pokemon. A single god darn Pokemon.
And Fairy sounds like an overly poopty name for a type. So does light. They're already playing a busy game of type balancing, I think dropping in a new type with a stupid name isn't going to assist anything.
we can either not care and see what it is in 8 months. or we can spend that time having fun speculating.
i mean this is one of the most civil dicussions ive seen on here. most people seem to enjoy this.
Quote from: Nayrman on February 14, 2013, 08:15:36 PM
Well, the poison type is so effectively worthless because SO many grass types are also part poison. Hell, Tangela was the ONLY pure grass type in Gen 1, making all poison types effectively worthless in first gen.
Poison has a key resistance to fighting man. Weezing was used a lot back in competitive RSE and was the best fighting counter in the game by far.
In Gen I, yeah, poison was useless. But we aren't in Gen I anymore.
Quote from: Z on February 15, 2013, 11:05:33 AM
Poison has a key resistance to fighting man. Weezing was used a lot back in competitive RSE and was the best fighting counter in the game by far.
In Gen I, yeah, poison was useless. But we aren't in Gen I anymore.
I think we're talking about
offensively worthless. In which case Poison is and always has been as such. Defensively it's actually a pretty good type, having only two weaknesses which are often nullified by secondary types or abilities. (Weezing, Drapion, etc.)
But offensively it's poor and there is absolutely no denying it. There's really no reason to use a Poison-type move unless you're getting STAB from it. Forget the added chance of Poison status, because for one, normal poison is probably the least harmful status effect in the game, and if you want poison you'll use Toxic which most Pokemon can learn.
I know all of that. I'm just saying Poison isn't bad per se. And it isn't.
Though, Water could use another weakness.
Quote from: Z on February 15, 2013, 02:05:50 PM
I know all of that. I'm just saying Poison isn't bad per se. And it isn't.
Though, Water could use another weakness.
It's not a bad type for a Pokemon to be (they also remove toxic spikes from your side of the field if they so happened to be there) and I never said it was. I'm just saying it's a bad OFFENSIVE type. Which it is. And why I think there should be some other type weak to Poison so we'd have a reason to teach Poison-type attacks to non-Poison types.
Also, here's some speculation about Sylveon's type that might just be full of coincidences but a lot of people thought it might be flying already anyway so wynaut
(https://i.chzbgr.com/maxW500/7063681792/h56F6F4A5/)
i'm okay with both flying and normal
i'm not okay with a new type
i'm absolutely not okay with the genders being different type, that poop is intercourse ing awful
i just want more than one eeveelution come on gamefreak come ON
zero let's talk about something actually cool instead of lame ass eevee poop
what do you think they're going to do for pokemon #666? are they going to acknowledge the number? i'm probably going to use it no matter what it is, haha
If it isn't dark type I'll be mildly disappointed but i doubt they'll do anything
aside from Groudon/Kyogre/Rayquaza they've pretty much stayed out of Judeo-Christian bullpoop
Quote from: Custom on February 15, 2013, 03:02:23 PM
i'm absolutely not okay with the genders being different type, that poop is intercourse ing awful
where the intercourse did this come from. i don't think anyone actually suggested that
i'm very okay with flying
i'm okay with a new type
i'm absolutely not okay with normal
consensus: let it be flying
Quote from: Kayo on February 15, 2013, 03:35:49 PM
where the intercourse did this come from. i don't think anyone actually suggested that
/v/
it's not normal.
this isn't just fan speculation, nintendo has actively hyped up the mystery around it's typing. they wouldn't do that to say lol nevermind its just normal.
normal also has the issue of being seen as an 'official' evolution which kind of defeats the point of eevee.
flying is acceptable but the picture with the type advantages is intercourse ing coincidence. they're ordered top to bottom by generation. that's it.
i have yet to see an argument against a new type besides intercourse you change is bad.
Quote from: Kayo on February 15, 2013, 03:35:49 PM
where the intercourse did this come from. i don't think anyone actually suggested that
i'm very okay with flying
i'm okay with a new type
i'm absolutely not okay with normal
consensus: let it be flying
Quote from: The Riddler on February 13, 2013, 03:19:28 AM
being that they're keeping the method of evolution a secret and it's type a secret
i'mma say this is the female version and there will be a male version, each a different type. this one will be normal. male will be fighting.
booyaka
read the thread
Quote from: zephilicious on February 15, 2013, 03:54:27 PM
it's not normal.
this isn't just fan speculation, nintendo has actively hyped up the mystery around it's typing. they wouldn't do that to say lol nevermind its just normal.
normal also has the issue of being seen as an 'official' evolution which kind of defeats the point of eevee.
flying is acceptable but the picture with the type advantages is intercourse ing coincidence. they're ordered top to bottom by generation. that's it.
i have yet to see an argument against a new type besides intercourse you change is bad.
yes it is
they could be hyping up a normal evolution for eevee
nothin' wrong with that
Quote from: Custom on February 15, 2013, 04:05:48 PM
yes it is
they could be hyping up a normal evolution for eevee
nothin' wrong with that
He's absolutely right that a Normal evolution for Eevee defeats the purpose of Eevee man
Quote from: Custom on February 15, 2013, 04:00:40 PM
read the thread
there's your problem, you're taking rob seriously.
Besides, there's virtually no chance they'd pull something like that with an Eeveelution anyway, because Eevee's male 87.5% of the time (or some high percentage like that)
Quote from: zephilicious on February 15, 2013, 03:54:27 PM
flying is acceptable but the picture with the type advantages is intercourse ing coincidence. they're ordered top to bottom by generation. that's it.
the red flag I see with that is that, if they were in National Pokedex order (looking at them top to bottom) then Leafeon and Glaceon would be switched. It is most likely sheer coincidence, but it is weird that those two are out of order, and like I said, flying (to my knowledge) is the most widely speculated type for Sylveon.
Regardless, that chart also offers no room for another Eeveelution, so if we're getting a second one, it's losing all the spotlight to Sylveon. It would be really weird at this point to only release a single Eeveelution because they've ALWAYS been released two (or three) at a time.
So at this point, like I said, I'm willing to bet that either this is the only new Eeveelution we're getting or it's much more special than its upcoming brother. Which is kind of why I'm suggesting a new type (with the next one being one of the 9 types that we already have that aren't already covered) and at this point there really is no decent argument for it or against it. It's far from impossible, though, so you can't be so sure it's not going to happen.
we're not getting another. they would have revealed them at the same time.
Quote from: zephilicious on February 15, 2013, 04:32:20 PM
we're not getting another. they would have revealed them at the same time.
Unless they loosed this one early to showcase a new type. It's one of the two, quite frankly.
Quote from: Z on February 15, 2013, 03:05:47 PM
i just want more than one eeveelution come on gamefreak come ON
Quote from: Kayo on February 15, 2013, 04:23:25 PM
there's your problem, you're taking rob seriously.
that doesn't make it invalid, it could happen
i hate how you get so weird about admitting you're wrong
Quote from: Z on February 15, 2013, 04:08:35 PM
He's absolutely right that a Normal evolution for Eevee defeats the purpose of Eevee man
no it doesn't
people have wanted a normal type in the past
if anything I think it would make more sense for it to have an evolution for every single type (normal is still at type guys)
Quote from: Custom on February 15, 2013, 04:47:22 PM
i hate how you get so weird about admitting you're wrong
nobody is wrong about anything yet
Quote from: Custom on February 15, 2013, 04:47:22 PM
that doesn't make it invalid, it could happen
i hate how you get so weird about admitting you're wrong
and then i explained why it wouldn't make any sense
read the thread
Quote from: Custom on February 15, 2013, 04:47:22 PM
no it doesn't
people have wanted a normal type in the past
if anything I think it would make more sense for it to have an evolution for every single type (normal is still at type guys)
being that eevee is normal type and that its gimmick is that its genetic code is unstable and the slightest change in environment makes it evolve to better suit the environment don't you think it'd be strange for it to evolve into a normal type?
i dunno man seems weird
Quote from: Z on February 15, 2013, 05:20:13 PM
being that eevee is normal type and that its gimmick is that its genetic code is unstable and the slightest change in environment makes it evolve to better suit the environment don't you think it'd be strange for it to evolve into a normal type?
i dunno man seems weird
Eevee is famous for its ability to change its type completely upon evolution to one of many things; all the different, singular types make each evolution so much different from each other and from Eevee that a Normal type evolution is just incredibly unfitting. Save the Normal-typed evolved Pokemon for every other normal type in the same ('cept Azurill--never quite understood why that wasn't Water) and let Eevee do what makes it unique: the complete type changes.
I think there might be a chance of it being normal if it has something to do with its evolution method. Like if you raise its happiness or something along those lines.
I don't think it's flying, though. There's nothing about it that indicates flying type. No wings or anything that could catch the wind enough to make it airborne.
Quote from: Mona on February 15, 2013, 05:35:38 PM
I think there might be a chance of it being normal if it has something to do with its evolution method. Like if you raise its happiness or something along those lines.
I don't think it's flying, though. There's nothing about it that indicates flying type. No wings or anything that could catch the wind enough to make it airborne.
At this point I honestly don't think I'd be surprised if it was like, Steel. No, it doesn't look Steel but.. neither does Lucario.
Quote from: Kayo on February 15, 2013, 05:43:49 PM
At this point I honestly don't think I'd be surprised if it was like, Steel. No, it doesn't look Steel but.. neither does Lucario.
At least Lucario has those pointy spike things.
Quote from: zephilicious on February 15, 2013, 04:52:28 PM
nobody is wrong about anything yet
yes he was
he suggested that nobody suggested the thing i posted
then i showed him someone did suggest that
then he got mad becuase he looked dumb
Quote from: Custom on February 15, 2013, 05:50:11 PM
yes he was
he suggested that nobody suggested the thing i posted
then i showed him someone did suggest that
then he got mad becuase he looked dumb
he also said we're getting a fire/steel evolution of durant
Quote from: Kayo on February 15, 2013, 04:23:25 PM
they've ALWAYS been released two (or three) at a time.
or you know
none. they did that twice.
it's entirely possible they're only doing one.
and that chart is completely arbitrary. it's intercourse ing stupid to post it.
nothing wrong with a normal eevee and i sincerely doubt we're getting a new type
nintendo is NOT actively "avoiding outting it's type", they just didn't include it. they haven't gone out of their way to go: "we're not outting it's type. we're keeping it's type a secret!!". they just didn't include it.
Quote from: Kayo on February 15, 2013, 06:39:06 PM
he also said we're getting a fire/steel evolution of durant
and that makes any speculation he makes on this pokemon invalid? sure kid, keep believing that
Quote from: The Riddler on February 15, 2013, 06:49:31 PM
or you know
none. they did that twice.
it's entirely possible they're only doing one.
and that chart is completely arbitrary. it's intercourse ing stupid to post it.
nothing wrong with a normal eevee and i sincerely doubt we're getting a new type
nintendo is NOT actively "avoiding outting it's type", they just didn't include it. they haven't gone out of their way to go: "we're not outting it's type. we're keeping it's type a secret!!". they just didn't include it.
i agree with this
it's a magic type pokemon
that's why it used trump card DUH
Quote from: The Riddler on February 15, 2013, 06:49:31 PM
nintendo is NOT actively "avoiding outting it's type", they just didn't include it. they haven't gone out of their way to go: "we're not outting it's type. we're keeping it's type a secret!!". they just didn't include it.
Except that's wrong
What the intercourse do you think "???" means, man? Why not just say its a intercourse ing normal type? Why? We know the starters' types and they weren't secretive about Lucario's type or Zoroark's type when they teased them.
"We know the starters types"
hmm
i wonder what the blue starter is going to be
and the red starter
and the green one
Quote from: Z on February 15, 2013, 07:58:59 PM
Except that's wrong
What the intercourse do you think "???" means, man? Why not just say its a intercourse ing normal type? Why? We know the starters' types and they weren't secretive about Lucario's type or Zoroark's type when they teased them.
i'm still wondering if it's going to be fire/fighting it's about as much as mystery as the eevee
Quote from: The Riddler on February 15, 2013, 10:50:48 PM
"We know the starters types"
hmm
i wonder what the blue starter is going to be
and the red starter
and the green one
They revealed the starters types as pure Grass, Fire, and Water. They gave the types at the same time they gave the names for each of them in each of the main languages Pokemon is translated in (Japanese, English, Spanish, French, and German if I remember correctly)
The image of Sylveon in CoroCoro came with a little blurb that...hey, let's look at it again.
(http://www.serebii.net/corocoro213.jpg)
Right between Sylveon's legs, it says:
NINFIA
Type: ? ? ?
Ability: ? ? ?
Height: 1.0m
Weight: 23.5kg
Look at that, they went far enough to release height and weight but not type. I'm pretty sure that qualifies as "avoiding outting its type." If it was a matter of just not including it they would have posted no information beyond its name. But no, we got height and weight.
Honestly, we're more likely to get a new type than to get a Normal Eeveelution.
Quote from: The Riddler on February 15, 2013, 06:49:31 PM
nintendo is NOT actively "avoiding outting it's type", they just didn't include it. they haven't gone out of their way to go: "we're not outting it's type. we're keeping it's type a secret!!". they just didn't include it.
yes yes they are
the text plastered all over that coro coro scan is all "CHECK THIS MOTHERFUCKER OUT WHAT TYPE IS IT THIS TIME???"
What if it's a Psychic type? No one said they couldn't repeat a type.
the surprise is that it's normal
god i hope it's normal or flying
do not want anything else
Quote from: zephilicious on February 15, 2013, 03:54:27 PM
i have yet to see an argument against a new type besides intercourse you change is bad.
Quote from: zephilicious on February 16, 2013, 07:42:01 AM
i don't need an argument to not want something.
i think it'll make the game messy and I feel like each type has a good amount of counters as it is. i think it'll intercourse up the current balance even more
you can disagree all you want, it doesn't change that i don't want new types
Quote from: Custom on February 16, 2013, 02:48:39 PM
i don't need an argument to not want something.
i think it'll make the game messy and I feel like each type has a good amount of counters as it is. i think it'll intercourse up the current balance even more
you can disagree all you want, it doesn't change that i don't want new types
Ice type is absolute poop. Anything weak to rock is pretty poop. Grass is meh.
Steel, Dragon, Fighting and Water types are practically all BAMFs
how is 18 any messier than 17? it's a negligible difference.
Quote from: zephilicious on February 16, 2013, 03:29:20 PM
how is 18 any messier than 17? it's a negligible difference.
not in a game like this!
japanese eevee wheel further emphasizes the color/type relationship and secret type.
(http://i.imgur.com/Mal2rf6.jpg)
I'd like to point out that Eevee's type bar is white/grey and Sylveon's type bar is pink Normal has never been indicated by the color pink in the games. Always white/grey.
j/s
Quote from: zephilicious on February 16, 2013, 05:30:12 PM
japanese eevee wheel further emphasizes the color/type relationship and secret type.
this was already posted and is fanmade and completely arbitrary. glaceon/leafeon are flipped.
Quote from: The Riddler on February 16, 2013, 07:33:44 PM
this was already posted and is fanmade and completely arbitrary. glaceon/leafeon are flipped.
no it isn't
http://www.pokemon.co.jp/ex/xy/pokemon02/
http://www.pokemon.com/pokemonxy/en-us
the pink probably means a new type
UGHhghghh
in before something REALLY FUCKING DUMB like "love" type
also i don't know too much about this so correct me if i'm wrong
but i doubt fairy type because there are already fairy pokemon
http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/wiki/Snubbull_%28Pok%C3%A9mon%29
they could always change it's type i guess, but they don't do stuff like that, do they?
Quote from: Custom on February 16, 2013, 07:52:14 PM
also i don't know too much about this so correct me if i'm wrong
but i doubt fairy type because there are already fairy pokemon
http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/wiki/Snubbull_%28Pok%C3%A9mon%29
they could always change it's type i guess, but they don't do stuff like that, do they?
(http://pokemon.supercheats.com/artwork/81.png)
Quote from: JrDude 益 on February 16, 2013, 01:28:54 AM
What if it's a Psychic type? No one said they couldn't repeat a type.
Yeah, but given the whole purpose of Eevee thing which has been explained a few times in this thread already, that wouldn't happen. Especially given that little chart that was posted a few posts after yours. That chart also makes me nearly certain that it's a new type.
Quote from: Kayo on February 16, 2013, 08:07:58 PM
even then, this was a little different. he was a magnet pokemon, not a steel pokemon
is there any case like that? you know what i'm saying?
or like any case where there is a light pokemon or something?
man, i had completely forgot he was pure electric at some point CRAZY
Quote from: Custom on February 16, 2013, 09:16:53 PM
even then, this was a little different. he was a magnet pokemon, not a steel pokemon
is there any case like that? you know what i'm saying?
or like any case where there is a light pokemon or something?
man, i had completely forgot he was pure electric at some point CRAZY
The point is, they changed an existing Pokemon's typing because of a newly introduced type. I'm just saying that they do, in fact, "do that stuff."
Quote from: Kayo on February 16, 2013, 10:12:00 PM
The point is, they changed an existing Pokemon's typing because of a newly introduced type. I'm just saying that they do, in fact, "do that stuff."
yeah i know i acknowledged that
now i'm asking if there was like a pokemon listed as steel species before steel type
Quote from: Custom on February 16, 2013, 10:19:54 PM
yeah i know i acknowledged that
now i'm asking if there was like a pokemon listed as steel species before steel type
I don't see your point, then. I mean, Horsea is listed as Dragon species but is not a Dragon type. And it was the Dragon species before it even had the ability to evolve into a Dragon.
Now, I know the Dragon type existed in Gen I, but I also know that it was added very late in the game's development and--when it was added--intended to be unique to Dragonite and its evolutionary relatives (who would have been Normal and Normal/Flying otherwise). For that reason I guess you could argue that Horsea existed before the Dragon type, and it would fit with what you're saying...I think. I'm not entirely sure I get what you're saying, so sorry if this is a little off.
Also, to answer your question, Lanturn and Ampharos are both classified as "Light Pokémon", but that's it.
Quote from: Kayo on February 17, 2013, 12:38:29 AM
I don't see your point, then. I mean, Horsea is listed as Dragon species but is not a Dragon type. And it was the Dragon species before it even had the ability to evolve into a Dragon type.
Magnemite is of the magnet species or whatever right? It turned into a Steel type.
His point is that we've never seen anything like this before, where a type would become something already listed in the game as a species. "The Fairy Species" and then Fairy type. I'm not sure if he's right.
We have the Fairy egg group and the Dragon egg group. So who knows man.
Quote from: Z on February 17, 2013, 12:42:41 AM
Magnemite is of the magnet species or whatever right? It turned into a Steel type.
His point is that we've never seen anything like this before, where a type would become something already listed in the game as a species. "The Fairy Species" and then Fairy type. I'm not sure if he's right.
We have the Fairy egg group and the Dragon egg group. So who knows man.
Well, the last (and only) time they added types there were only 151 Pokemon to choose from. Now we have 649, so it's more likely for a coincidental situation like that to happen than it was before. Which explains why we haven't had a situation like that yet, but now we might.
Anyway, I'm sure it's generally agreeable that we're more likely to get a "Light" type than a "Fairy" type, if anything. And the Pokemon classified as "Light Pokemon" (Lanturn and Ampharos) could both feasibly have the "Light" type if it existed. (Lanturn could be Water/Light and Ampharos could be Light or Electric/Light. I can see it.)
the pink makes me feel that it won't be a light type though? you know?
man, this poop is crazy. also interesting info about the dragon stuff.
Quote from: Custom on February 16, 2013, 07:49:05 PM
in before something REALLY FUCKING DUMB like "love" type
If it is a new type, I'm calling "Heart" type right now. Eevee is one step closer to becoming Captain Planet.
Quote from: Custom on February 17, 2013, 02:10:34 AM
the pink makes me feel that it won't be a light type though? you know?
yep. I don't know where light ever came from it never made sense.
Quote from: zephilicious on February 17, 2013, 08:59:46 AM
yep. I don't know where light ever came from it never made sense.
There are a bunch of light-based attacks, and Dark was one of the last types introduced; it's completely believable. Bet it's Heart, though.
In the context of Sylveon light makes less sense than normal, and as we've already discussed dark type is not an elemental darkness and light it not it's opposite.
Elemental darkness is currently represented by ghost type so it follows that light would be represented by happy good spirits. IE Fairies.
hopefully it will have a better name, but it's fairy.
Quote from: zephilicious on February 17, 2013, 10:01:17 AM
In the context of Sylveon light makes less sense than normal, and as we've already discussed dark type is not an elemental darkness and light it not it's opposite.
Elemental darkness is currently represented by ghost type so it follows that light would be represented by happy good spirits. IE Fairies.
hopefully it will have a better name, but it's fairy.
Dark Pulse, Dark Void, and Night Daze don't count? And what makes fairies the official opposite of ghosts? Are there not friendly ghosts and wicked fairies in all sorts of fiction? What do the two even have in common besides "magic?"
Quote from: Neerb on February 17, 2013, 03:48:29 PM
Dark Pulse, Dark Void, and Night Daze don't count? And what makes fairies the official opposite of ghosts? Are there not friendly ghosts and wicked fairies in all sorts of fiction? What do the two even have in common besides "magic?"
Dark Pulse is "Evil Pulse" in Japan. The other two though, I have nothing on.
magic type ftw
Quote from: Z on February 17, 2013, 04:00:42 PM
Dark Pulse is "Evil Pulse" in Japan. The other two though, I have nothing on.
the other two are signature moves that exactly two pokemon can learn. obviously that's what defines the type.
Quote from: Neerb on February 17, 2013, 03:48:29 PM
Dark Pulse, Dark Void, and Night Daze don't count? And what makes fairies the official opposite of ghosts? Are there not friendly ghosts and wicked fairies in all sorts of fiction?
of course there are there are exceptions to everything. types aren't defined by their exceptions.
i'm going to pray for flying or normal type plz gamefreak
Pretty sure it's going to be flying.
Looking at its name derivations, and the fact that any new types would either belong to such a small group of pokemon or warrant a ton of retyping for fairy-esque pokemon, flying seems like the likely candidate.
Quote from: zephilicious on February 17, 2013, 08:59:46 AM
yep. I don't know where light ever came from it never made sense.
Pretty much the only reason it's so popular now in speculation is because, like I said half a dozen times by now, people have been theorizing a light type since as early as Gen III. It's definitely the most speculated non-existent type out there. If there are close seconds I honestly don't know any. But I have been seeing "Light" for ages.
Quote from: Sirwaddy on February 17, 2013, 07:14:04 PM
Pretty sure it's going to be flying.
Looking at its name derivations, and the fact that any new types would either belong to such a small group of pokemon or warrant a ton of retyping for fairy-esque pokemon, flying seems like the likely candidate.
The color scheme is the major argument against Sylveon being a Flying type, as far as I know. Because think about it, each and every one of the past evolutions have matched their types as far as color. Closest thing to an exception here is Espeon. It's classified as Purple--though appears some ambiguous pinkish color at times--and not many other Psychic types are (Psychic types tend to be any color of the rainbow with no clear preference) but as far as, say, the type "badges" ((http://www.serebii.net/pokedex-rs/type/psychic.gif)) it's pretty close.
Meanwhile Flying isn't represented by pink anywhere, and there's not a single pink Flying Pokemon to date. So it seems really weird that Sylveon's color wouldn't match its type if that were the case.
And since Psychic is taken by Espeon, there's really no other type that its color even comes close to matching. That coupled with the secrecy behind its typing is what's causing all this commotion about a new type.
Anyway, what exactly does Sylveon's name come from again? I'm sure I could think of it if Sylvan Learning didn't keep coming to mind >_>
Hey guys, wait a darn second. All this talking about Sylveon and no one seems to notice that Xerneas and Yveltal's types are being kept a secret too. Now, I know we didn't get cover legendaries' types right away last time, but it's a little different this time for pretty much the same reason as Sylveon. They gave us height and weight before typing. Anyone else think there's anything strange about that? If not, what types would those two even be?
Sylveon's English more than likely comes from Sylph, which is a wind spirit or nymph or something like that. The other languages had similar results as well.
As for the typing color, thing. The blue tips on Sylveon's ribbons almost exactly match Flying-type's bar color (http://serebii.net/pokedex-bw/type/flying.gif). But just because the previous eeveelutions match this color pattern theory doesn't mean it's a pattern that's still around. Need I remind you that GameFreak's been breaking some patterns lately.
As for Yveltal and Xerneas having hidden types as well, that's common for the legendary mascots. Reshiram and Zekrom weren't disclosed for a while either, and Reshiram was also highly speculated to be a Light-type. Look how that turned out.
Quote from: Sirwaddy on February 17, 2013, 08:51:15 PM
Sylveon's English more than likely comes from Sylph, which is a wind spirit or nymph or something like that. The other languages had similar results as well.
Yeah, "Ninfia" and etc. are said to come from "nymph" so it makes a ton of sense. Still doesn't exactly point it away from a new type, though.
QuoteAs for the typing color, thing. The blue tips on Sylveon's ribbons almost exactly match Flying-type's bar color (http://serebii.net/pokedex-bw/type/flying.gif). But just because the previous eeveelutions match this color pattern theory doesn't mean it's a pattern that's still around. Need I remind you that GameFreak's been breaking some patterns lately.
Either use the color coordination argument or don't. If you're going to go with GF breaking a pattern, the little blue accents on the ribbonlike features mean absolutely nothing. And like I said, it's not like the color pattern has been deviated from yet, even in the slightest. What "broken patterns" are you referring to, exactly? I can't think of any that are this significant (as little significance as it may hold) off the top of my head.
QuoteAs for Yveltal and Xerneas having hidden types as well, that's common for the legendary mascots. Reshiram and Zekrom weren't disclosed for a while either, and Reshiram was also highly speculated to be a Light-type. Look how that turned out.
If I remember correctly, they didn't give us height and weight for Reshy and Zek until we got their type combinations. But I could very well be wrong on that. I'm just saying we know just as much about Sylveon as we do about Xerneas and Yveltal, yet people are focusing more on Sylveon right now.
If they're making a pair of new types, the mascot pokemon could very well each have one of them. I know they didn't do that in Gen II, but at this point in time, a pair of new types is such a new and exciting change that it only seems natural that GF would have the mascot Pokemon representing them.
people are focusing on sylveon because game freak has been yelling WHAT TYPE IS IT since the reveal. xerneas and yveltal's reveals didn't come with types but they also didn't come with big signs saying LOOK AT ME WHAT TYPE AM I??
on the other hand I've heard plenty of speculation that xerneas will belong to the same fairy/spirit.magic type as sylveon. I don't buy it, they would have hyped up a new type first chance they got.
Quote from: Kayo on February 17, 2013, 08:42:17 PM
Pretty much the only reason it's so popular now in speculation is because, like I said half a dozen times by now, people have been theorizing a light type since as early as Gen III.
and it's been shot down every one of those times. With a bunch of pokemon that looked much more like light than sylveon.
normal is more likely than light and normal's not intercourse ing happening.
Quote from: zephilicious on February 17, 2013, 09:08:51 PM
people are focusing on sylveon because game freak has been yelling WHAT TYPE IS IT since the reveal. xerneas and yveltal's reveals didn't come with types but they also didn't come with big signs saying LOOK AT ME WHAT TYPE AM I??
Well, someone should find where they released the dimensions for those two. They might have the same "? ? ?" in the "Type" field as Sylveon did in its first appearance (CoroCoro).
Quoteon the other hand I've heard plenty of speculation that xerneas will belong to the same fairy/spirit.magic type as sylveon. I don't buy it, they would have hyped up a new type first chance they got.
I totally buy it, that is if and only if there is a new type in the first place. Partially because I literally can't think of any other type that Xerneas would be besides Normal or maybe Grass. Which are both (or together) poopty types for a cover legendary. It could also be Steel, to be completely honest. Not too sure at all, though.
Quoteand it's been shot down every one of those times. With a bunch of pokemon that looked much more like light than sylveon.
normal is more likely than light and normal's not intercourse ing happening.
but an unreleased type in general is more likely than Normal. I personally have just been using Light as an example, since hell if I know what the new type would be. Honestly I don't even have the slightest idea.
yes the xerneal and yveltal reveals listed ??? type, but no attention is drawn to it. it's been the same for the last couple generations. the point of the reveal was to show off the mascots.
the sylveon reveal on the other hand was entirely designed to drawn attention to the fact that his type was a mystery. every single sentence on the page references the type.
Quote from: zephilicious on February 17, 2013, 09:36:38 PM
yes the xerneal and yveltal reveals listed ??? type, but no attention is drawn to it. it's been the same for the last couple generations. the point of the reveal was to show off the mascots.
the sylveon reveal on the other hand was entirely designed to drawn attention to the fact that his type was a mystery. every single sentence on the page references the type.
While I agree that they're hyping Sylveon's type issue a lot more, I still find it odd that they would go as far as to give us the Pokemon's dimensions before their types. Again, if they've been known to do this in the past, let me know, because I'm not sure.
Quote from: Kayo on February 17, 2013, 09:38:38 PM
While I agree that they're hyping Sylveon's type issue a lot more, I still find it odd that they would go as far as to give us the Pokemon's dimensions before their types. Again, if they've been known to do this in the past, let me know, because I'm not sure.
i think this is a normal thing, i don't know if they've done it in the past
but let's be honest, nobody really gives a poop about dimensions but type can mean everything
Quote from: Kayo on February 17, 2013, 08:59:28 PM
Yeah, "Ninfia" and etc. are said to come from "nymph" so it makes a ton of sense. Still doesn't exactly point it away from a new type, though.
Either use the color coordination argument or don't. If you're going to go with GF breaking a pattern, the little blue accents on the ribbonlike features mean absolutely nothing. And like I said, it's not like the color pattern has been deviated from yet, even in the slightest.
In all honesty the color coordination argument is insignificant in the first place, I was just trying to appeal to multiple arguments for Sylveon's type. Leafeon is brown anyways, so its tail and ears being green (SAME COLOR AS GRASS WOW) means "absolutely nothing" just as much as Sylveon's ribbons do. I was just trying to defend my case from that theory's point of view too.
Quote from: Kayo on February 17, 2013, 08:59:28 PMWhat "broken patterns" are you referring to, exactly? I can't think of any that are this significant (as little significance as it may hold) off the top of my head.
The broken pattern I'm referring to is Black 2 and White 2. Everybody was expecting Gray, and GF broke that tradition/pattern/whatever you want to call it.
Quote from: Kayo on February 17, 2013, 08:59:28 PMIf I remember correctly, they didn't give us height and weight for Reshy and Zek until we got their type combinations. But I could very well be wrong on that. I'm just saying we know just as much about Sylveon as we do about Xerneas and Yveltal, yet people are focusing more on Sylveon right now. If they're making a pair of new types, the mascot pokemon could very well each have one of them. I know they didn't do that in Gen II, but at this point in time, a pair of new types is such a new and exciting change that it only seems natural that GF would have the mascot Pokemon representing them.
Height and weight mean absolutely nothing when Pokemon are being revealed, and in the actual mechanics weight is the only one that matters, and even then it's only involved with a handful of moves. The order of when this info comes out is just as meaningless. The legendaries' types are always kept secret, the focus is on Sylveon because that's where GF wants it to be. They're probably just hyping it up because if it does end up Flying-type, it'd be the first non-legendary that was Flying monotype. Which is certainly something GF would overhype people about.
Quote from: Kayo on February 17, 2013, 08:44:27 PM
Hey guys, wait a darn second. All this talking about Sylveon and no one seems to notice that Xerneas and Yveltal's types are being kept a secret too. Now, I know we didn't get cover legendaries' types right away last time, but it's a little different this time for pretty much the same reason as Sylveon. They gave us height and weight before typing. Anyone else think there's anything strange about that? If not, what types would those two even be?
We actually did talk about it earlier in the thread.
Quote from: Z on February 17, 2013, 10:25:44 PM
We actually did talk about it earlier in the thread.
Yeah, but like, really briefly. Then Sylveon stole all the thunder.
Quote from: Custom on February 17, 2013, 09:45:01 PM
but let's be honest, nobody really gives a poop about dimensions but type can mean everything
My point.
Quote from: Sirwaddy on February 17, 2013, 10:18:25 PM
In all honesty the color coordination argument is insignificant in the first place, I was just trying to appeal to multiple arguments for Sylveon's type. Leafeon is brown anyways, so its tail and ears being green (SAME COLOR AS GRASS WOW) means "absolutely nothing" just as much as Sylveon's ribbons do. I was just trying to defend my case from that theory's point of view too.
You have no point. If we were talking about Sylveon's pink color, you might have one. But no, we're talking about its blue (since it's similar to the Flying color). Leafeon has as much green as Sylveon has pink, not blue. You're just wrong on that one.
As trivial as it is, color coordination has been a thing with Eeveelutions so far and in all honestly, that doesn't look like something that will change unless we end up a dozen generations in the future and they have to figure out how to make a Dragon-type Eeveelution.
QuoteThe broken pattern I'm referring to is Black 2 and White 2. Everybody was expecting Gray, and GF broke that tradition/pattern/whatever you want to call it.
Explanation: We all know for a fact that Gen V was cut short to get main-series Pokemon onto the 3DS as soon as possible. Whether it was cut by one year or two depends on if you're talking Japanese or American release dates, but it didn't last a full four years like Gens II-IV did.
This didn't leave enough time to give both a "Gray" version and a pair of remakes (a tradition started in Gen III that will not go anywhere, since it's making GF a intercourse ton of money and we love it) so they went with sequels so they'd have four games in Gen V instead of only three. It was a simple measure to bring it just a bit closer to the five games we're used to, but yeah. It's awfully hard to explain, but someone explained it to me a while ago and it made a lot of sense. If they start doing sequels every Gen in the future, you can bet it's because they were more successful with B2W2 than they ever thought they'd be.
QuoteHeight and weight mean absolutely nothing when Pokemon are being revealed, and in the actual mechanics weight is the only one that matters, and even then it's only involved with a handful of moves. The order of when this info comes out is just as meaningless. The legendaries' types are always kept secret, the focus is on Sylveon because that's where GF wants it to be. They're probably just hyping it up because if it does end up Flying-type, it'd be the first non-legendary that was Flying monotype. Which is certainly something GF would overhype people about.
That's kind of what I'm saying. It looks like you're trying to argue with me but you're not even thinking any differently than I am. Anyway. Yeah. Dimensions are something that you see for the first time when you catch a new Pokemon in the game and check its Pokedex info. It's something that people don't get hyped over or anything. The thing is, because of that, GF
could have just released the names and nothing else. And no one would ask questions. But they released dimensions. From there it's not so much a matter of what they DID release, it's what they DIDN'T. Because just like that, it went from knowing only the name to knowing practically everything but the type.
Let's just say, I hope their type combinations are at least good. No Dragon/Flying or poop like that.
You guys are funny.
I've said it once, and I'll say it again. There will be no new type.
You can cry and be as logical as you want in terms of there being a new type Kayo, but it isn't gonna happen. And once the type is said, well, it was fun having hopes up again right? Just like with Black & White?
Quote from: Kayo on February 18, 2013, 12:33:13 AM
Explanation: We all know for a fact that Gen V was cut short to get main-series Pokemon onto the 3DS as soon as possible. Whether it was cut by one year or two depends on if you're talking Japanese or American release dates, but it didn't last a full four years like Gens II-IV did.
There was a 3 year gap from 1st to 2nd (2 years in US), and 2nd to 3rd. The only generation that
did have a four year gap was the transition from 4th to 5th. That said, Black and White came out in 2010, and we're getting X & Y the end of 2013.
This is the average generation gap we've had in the past that just seems rushed because 5th gen never had any remakes to divert the focus from Unova. But nothing was cut short to get the mian series to the 3DS asap. The exact opposite is more likely because they're gonna want to milk the DS for all it's worth.
Quote from: JrDude 益 on February 18, 2013, 12:53:41 AM
You guys are funny.
I've said it once, and I'll say it again. There will be no new type.
You can cry and be as logical as you want in terms of there being a new type Kayo, but it isn't gonna happen. And once the type is said, well, it was fun having hopes up again right? Just like with Black & White?
You can cry and be as stubborn as you want JrDude, but you can't actually say without a doubt that they won't add a new type. You seem pretty darn sure of yourself, so tell me. How do you know that we're not going to get one? What's your logic?
Quote from: Sirwaddy on February 18, 2013, 01:11:33 AM
There was a 3 year gap from 1st to 2nd, and 2nd to 3rd. The only generation that did have a four year gap was the transition from 4th to 5th. That said, Black and White came out in 2010, and we're getting X & Y the end of 2013.
This is the average generation gap we've had in the past that just seems rushed because 5th gen never had any remakes to divert the focus from Unova. But nothing was cut short to get the mian series to the 3DS asap. The exact opposite is more likely because they're gonna want to milk the DS for all it's worth.
You conveniently forgot 3rd to 4th. Once we got out of the first two generations, we had a literally SOLID four year gap. Ruby and Sapphire came out in Spring 2003. Diamond and Pearl, Spring 2007. Black and White, Spring 2011. X and Y will be Fall 2013. That's two and a half years compared to the four we've been getting used to. Can't argue that.
When Black and White came out, the 3DS had literally JUST hit the shelves. It wasn't so much "milking the 3DS for all its worth" as not wanting to restrict the game to people that bought the new (overpriced) piece of hardware. If they sold it for the DS, they figured more people could (and would) buy it, since everyone already had a DS. They were right.
Now, as you can imagine, that puts GF in an awkward situation. Here we have a new system waiting for games, and you just started a whole new generation on the system before. Are you going to sit through four more years on the DS before finally catching up to the times? No, you're not. GF has released Pokemon games two years into a handheld's life before. But not four.
See, here's why it's a tad awkward. It really wouldn't be a great idea to just stop Gen V at Black and White and move on. I mean, the past two generations had five games each. They weren't about to cut one at two. So what do they do? They turn the 3rd game into a pair, to get two games instead of one, since they know they're not going to bother with remakes this time. There just simply isn't the time to do that.
Thus, a mere year and a half later, Black 2 and White 2 were born, and they turned out better than expected (for most). They were pretty speedy, too, if you remember the localization period for B2W2 was the shortest in Pokemon history (only about four months, as opposed to the usual six or so.) They kicked it into high gear to get B2W2 out before the end of 2012 so they could jump up to a new generation, this time on 3DS, and finally be playing to the tune of the CURRENT Nintendo system.
I didn't say milking the 3DS. I said the DS.
Either way sometimes it's a three year gap sometimes it's four. It doesn't really matter.
Quote from: Sirwaddy on February 18, 2013, 01:30:00 AM
I didn't say milking the 3DS. I said the DS.
Either way sometimes it's a three year gap sometimes it's four. It doesn't really matter.
Blah, that's what I meant. Shut up, it's 3 AM.
No but my point is, it's BEEN a four year gap ever since the Gen III, when they really kicked off with remakes and spin-offs and such. For them to suddenly revert to a single shorter generation isn't just coincidence, given the lack of remakes and presence of a superior system that poor Gen V had to deal with.
Besides, Pokemon suffered a bit by staying on DS for so long. Because they did stay on the two-dimensional system longer than they should have (Of course, they didn't have much of a choice; I refer you back to my point on how B/W came out when not too many people had a 3DS so it would have sold better on the DS). Don't believe me? Well, just speaking from personal experience. When Pokemon Conquest came out in June 2012, my local GameStop (and probably others) blatantly REFUSED to carry the game because it was a DS game, not a 3DS one*. They still took pre-orders, but they absolutely would not order a single extra copy to sell. I know my GameStop isn't really a great store, but I guarantee it's not the only store that did that. Of course that hurts sales. Stores now are at the point where they're clearing a good portion of DS games off the shelf to make room for 3DS titles. And yet we still have DS games coming out as late as three months ago. So yes, I can see how you'd think they're "milking the DS for all it's worth," but the reality is GF dug themselves a bit of a hole by going into a new generation without advancing systems.
*I'm not just putting words into their mouth, I actually had a talk with the manager when I couldn't get myself a copy. Also, let's ignore the fact that the 3DS is backwards compatible. It's GameStop, they don't understand logic.
Quote from: Kayo on February 18, 2013, 01:43:55 AM
No but my point is, it's BEEN a four year gap ever since the Gen III, when they really kicked off with remakes and spin-offs and such. For them to suddenly revert to a single shorter generation isn't just coincidence, given the lack of remakes and presence of a superior system that poor Gen V had to deal with.
Black & White were said again and again to serve as somewhat of a reboot to this series, and was very pseudo-gen-1. So following that logic, they're following a similar time gap that the actual gen 1 had. And Gold and Silver were originally supposed to just be Red/Green with 2s slapped on them, much like what actually happened with Black & White. They're going back to their roots, so it's only natural to follow the same generational gap as before.
And that gamestop quote has been duly noted, and will most definitely be taken seriously.
Quote from: Kayo on February 18, 2013, 01:43:55 AM
Blah, that's what I meant. Shut up, it's 3 AM.
No but my point is, it's BEEN a four year gap ever since the Gen III, when they really kicked off with remakes and spin-offs and such. For them to suddenly revert to a single shorter generation isn't just coincidence, given the lack of remakes and presence of a superior system that poor Gen V had to deal with.
Besides, Pokemon suffered a bit by staying on DS for so long. Because they did stay on the two-dimensional system longer than they should have (Of course, they didn't have much of a choice; I refer you back to my point on how B/W came out when not too many people had a 3DS so it would have sold better on the DS). Don't believe me? Well, just speaking from personal experience. When Pokemon Conquest came out in June 2012, my local GameStop (and probably others) blatantly REFUSED to carry the game because it was a DS game, not a 3DS one*. They still took pre-orders, but they absolutely would not order a single extra copy to sell. I know my GameStop isn't really a great store, but I guarantee it's not the only store that did that. Of course that hurts sales. Stores now are at the point where they're clearing a good portion of DS games off the shelf to make room for 3DS titles. And yet we still have DS games coming out as late as three months ago. So yes, I can see how you'd think they're "milking the DS for all it's worth," but the reality is GF dug themselves a bit of a hole by going into a new generation without advancing systems.
*I'm not just putting words into their mouth, I actually had a talk with the manager when I couldn't get myself a copy. Also, let's ignore the fact that the 3DS is backwards compatible. It's GameStop, they don't understand logic.
LOL LOL LOL i can't even think straight after reading this garbage
conquest was hard to find, but using that as a reference point for all ds releases is poop
it was also hard to find everywhere in general and isn't a main series pokemon game.
there are tons of copies of b&w2
also really, you talked to the manager of your local gamestop? about conquest? that's your source? REALLY? are you joking???
he probably spouted bullpoop at you to try to get you to leave the store. or you probably just misquoted him as you tend to do
i really don't think the fact that they lingered on the ds was the main reason for sales hurting.
please post actual sources thanks
Quote from: Kayo on February 18, 2013, 01:13:35 AM
You can cry and be as stubborn as you want JrDude, but you can't actually say without a doubt that they won't add a new type. You seem pretty darn sure of yourself, so tell me. How do you know that we're not going to get one? What's your logic?
Any arguments I may have are pointless to say because,
1. You view my points and opinions as useless, so my word means nothing. Probably because I didn't accept your text-based friend request.
2. You're stubborn and dedicated to your belief that a new type will "probably" be coming into the game, that no matter what logic or argument thrown at you, you will counter argue with other things you think make your belief seem more true to others, when in fact it means nothing as well.
Anyone can argue anything and make any point seem logical. But if anyone believes something, anything suggesting anything that isn't their belief looks stupid. Which is why arguing with you, and most everyone else in this thread, is pointless. I have read every post in the thread (except for the last few that happened after my recent post because now it's getting old) and everyone arguing isn't open to the other side of the argument, thus people keep saying "That makes no sense, my theory is more right than yours because of this block of text I typed or this image that supports my argument."
Anyway. I can say without a doubt in my mind, there will be no new types. I can provide my arguments, but there's no reason to.
Conquest, hard to find? It's intercourse ing everywhere here.
Quote from: JrDude 益 on February 18, 2013, 05:21:23 AM
no matter what logic or argument thrown at you
once again, the only argument the no new type camp has been able to come up with is I hate change.
almost everyone that's been following the thread has conceded that a new type is starting to look pretty darn likely.
bubblegum type confirmed
There are two things that make me think we will not get any new types, and neither of them are "I hate change"
1. When Dark/Steel was introduced, Magnemite and Magneton were retyped to be part Steel. That was with 251 pokes at the time. Now with 649 pokes around, and a lot of people just comparing or grouping Sylveon with all the other pink normal types like Chansey or Clefairy, this "new type" would probably get all of those pokemon unecessarily retyped. It's essentially giving half the normal types out there a new type, so that's hardly a useful thing to do.
2. When Dark/Steel came out there were very few Pokemon with those types. And even now during 5th gen there aren't many of them. Even with types that have been around since gen 1, like Dragon. The type-chart is fine, that's all sorted and it works great. But for the pokes actually having each type, that aspect is severely unbalanced. 27 Ghost types for example, is insignificant to the 109 water types. And adding a new type to this unbalanced poop would just muddle things even further. If thing were much more balanced that they actually are I'd probably be expecting a new type as well, but they aren't. So I'm just not convinced.
Quote from: Sirwaddy on February 18, 2013, 11:13:15 AM
There are two things that make me think we will not get any new types, and neither of them are "I hate change"
1. When Dark/Steel was introduced, Magnemite and Magneton were retyped to be part Steel. That was with 251 pokes at the time. Now with 649 pokes around, and a lot of people just comparing or grouping Sylveon with all the other pink normal types like Chansey or Clefairy, this "new type" would probably get all of those pokemon unecessarily retyped. It's essentially giving half the normal types out there a new type, so that's hardly a useful thing to do.
Considering normal types are complete poop bar Blissey/Chansey/Snorlax I'd wager that the re-typing would be more helpful than you think. Also, careful what words you use. Why would it be unnecessary to retype them? Was it necessary to retype Magnemite? Why didn't Voltorb get retyped? Voltorb is clearly not organic.
2. When Dark/Steel came out there were very few Pokemon with those types. And even now during 5th gen there aren't many of them. Even with types that have been around since gen 1, like Dragon. The type-chart is fine, that's all sorted and it works great. But for the pokes actually having each type, that aspect is severely unbalanced. 27 Ghost types for example, is insignificant to the 109 water types. And adding a new type to this unbalanced poop would just muddle things even further. If thing were much more balanced that they actually are I'd probably be expecting a new type as well, but they aren't. So I'm just not convinced.
The type chart is not "fine" and it has never been "fine". It's very imbalanced and its clear that Gamefreak hasn't cared about balance since they introduced Dark and Steel to balance Psychic, which was way too good in Gen I. I see what you're getting at. A new type would not have many pokemon to represent it. We have a poop ton of Water and Normal types, etc. etc. Still, none of that pushes speculation against a new type into a convincing direction
Quote from: zephilicious on February 18, 2013, 09:45:25 AM
once again, the only argument the no new type camp has been able to come up with is I hate change.
almost everyone that's been following the thread has conceded that a new type is starting to look pretty darn likely.
And this post adds to my argument, you people are only reading what you want to read. I've read plenty of arguments against the new type.
Quote from: JrDude 益 on February 18, 2013, 05:21:23 AM
I can provide my arguments, but there's no reason to.
Come again?
Quote from: Z on February 18, 2013, 09:38:46 AM
Conquest, hard to find? It's intercourse ing everywhere here.
I remember a friend of mine wanted a physical copy around release and I had to go out and drive him to a bunch of stores. I think a Gamestop in a weird spot ended up getting a shipment in and we got one.
Quote from: Custom on February 18, 2013, 12:29:39 PM
I remember a friend of mine wanted a physical copy around release and I had to go out and drive him to a bunch of stores. I think a Gamestop in a weird spot ended up getting a shipment in and we got one.
cuhrayzee
its a pokemon game for intercourse 's sake
Quote from: JrDude 益 on February 18, 2013, 12:25:54 PM
And this post adds to my argument, you people are only reading what you want to read. I've read plenty of arguments against the new type.
fine. people have said there are already too many types, the types are perfectly balanced as is (???), and retyping old pokemon is bad.
aka change is bad.
on the other side, nobody is arguing that there should be a new type because we want a new type (whether or not we do is completely irrelevant, there are people on both sides of that opinion that agree a new type is likely). we're arguing that there is going to be a new type because game freak is throwing evidence in our faces.
Quote from: zephilicious on February 18, 2013, 01:03:42 PM
fine. people have said there are already too many types, the types are perfectly balanced as is (???), and retyping old pokemon is bad.
aka change is bad.
on the other side, nobody is arguing that there should be a new type because we want a new type (whether or not we do is completely irrelevant, there are people on both sides of that opinion that agree a new type is likely). we're arguing that there is going to be a new type because game freak is throwing evidence in our faces.
how would someone even present an argument that isn't "change is bad" in a situation like this?
you could classify every argument ever against something new under "change is bad"
stop saying it jesus christ it's so annoying
Quote from: zephilicious on February 18, 2013, 01:03:42 PM
retyping old pokemon is bad.
aka change is bad.
No. Magnemite was changed because it is quite clearly a magnet, making it fit the steel type before there even was one. It needed that retyping.
Chansey and all those others people relate to Sylveon are perfectly fine as normal. There is no Pokemon that is in desperate need of retyping to this "new type". I am rejecting this idea of changing old Pokemon when they do not need to be.
That is not akakakakaka change is bad. It is this particular change is unnecessary.
Quote from: Custom on February 18, 2013, 01:14:51 PM
how would someone even present an argument that isn't "change is bad" in a situation like this?
you could classify every argument ever against something new under "change is bad"
stop saying it jesus christ it's so annoying
you cant and that's the point. there is literally nothing at all wrong with a new type.
Quote from: zephilicious on February 18, 2013, 01:24:02 PM
you cant and that's the point. there is literally nothing at all wrong with a new type.
Nor is there anything wrong with
not adding a new type. Personal thoughts/opinions aside, both sides to this argument are completely valid at this point. It's a waiting game and no amount of speculation or "proof" is going to change what's likely to be revealed next month.
Quote from: Sirwaddy on February 18, 2013, 01:17:15 PM
No. Magnemite was changed because it is quite clearly a magnet, making it fit the steel type before there even was one. It needed that retyping.
Chansey and all those others people relate to Sylveon are perfectly fine as normal. There is no Pokemon that is in desperate need of retyping to this "new type". I am rejecting this idea of changing old Pokemon when they do not need to be.
That is not akakakakaka change is bad. It is this particular change is unnecessary.
Again, why was Magnemite's re-typing needed? Key word is need. Voltorb is clearly non-organic but he's still electric.
What constitutes a need? What criteria do you need?
Quote from: zephilicious on February 18, 2013, 01:24:02 PM
you cant and that's the point. there is literally nothing at all wrong with a new type.
are you dumb as intercourse ? seriously?
you realize if going HURR "CHANGE IS BAD" invalidated arguments against new things we'd be the most progressive society on earth right?
you should go marry your gosh darn cat because "change is bad" is an invalid argument and there are no negatives to intercourse ing your cat
don't reply with any argument against it that I could categorize under "change is bad" because that's invalid
we're not arguing that we want a type.
we're arguing that all evidence points strongly to the possibility, and you're arguing that that's wrong because you don't want it to be true.
what you should be looking for is evidence that sylveon matches an existing type, or that game freak would not add a new type. you have to counter the arguments not the conclusion.
Quote from: zephilicious on February 18, 2013, 01:43:05 PM
we're not arguing that we want a type.
we're arguing that all evidence points strongly to the possibility, and you're arguing that that's wrong because you don't want it to be true.
what you should be looking for is evidence that sylveon matches an existing type, or that game freak would not add a new type. you have to counter the arguments not the conclusion.
pretty much this
If it is anything other than a new type I will be surprised. Whatever happens, I'm sure I'll be cool with it.
I just want more than one new eeveelution intercourse gamfreak FUCK
Quote from: zephilicious on February 18, 2013, 01:43:05 PM
we're not arguing that we want a type.
we're arguing that all evidence points strongly to the possibility, and you're arguing that that's wrong because you don't want it to be true.
what you should be looking for is evidence that sylveon matches an existing type, or that game freak would not add a new type. you have to counter the arguments not the conclusion.
i never said that there wasn't going to be a new type
i think that it's likely and thought most of my posts conveyed that
see here:
Quote from: Custom on February 16, 2013, 07:49:05 PM
no it isn't
http://www.pokemon.co.jp/ex/xy/pokemon02/
http://www.pokemon.com/pokemonxy/en-us
the pink probably means a new type
UGHhghghh
in before something REALLY FUCKING DUMB like "love" type
i've been saying is that I don't want a new type
which is an opinion and something i'm entitled to, as are others
we've also been posting reasons why they shouldn't add a new type
i thought you were aware that most of those reasons were opinion? the fact that they exist means we acknowledged that a new type is a possibility. I don't think anyone but JrDude came out and said 100% NO NEW TYPES, THERE ABSOLUTELY WON'T BE ONE THERE ISN'T EVEN A 1% CHANCE
Quote from: Custom on February 18, 2013, 01:50:07 PM
I don't think anyone but JrDude came out and said 100% NO NEW TYPES, THERE ABSOLUTELY WON'T BE ONE THERE ISN'T EVEN A 1% CHANCE
This is what I'm arguing against
Quote from: zephilicious on February 18, 2013, 01:43:05 PM
what you should be looking for is evidence that sylveon matches an existing type, or that game freak would not add a new type. you have to counter the arguments not the conclusion.
Have you not been reading the last 3453 pages of this thread? BOTH sides have been giving "evidence" for their own claims. Whether or not you find the points against yours as valid is your own problem. It doesn't change the fact that the arguments have been countered.
Quote from: zephilicious on February 18, 2013, 01:53:20 PM
This is what I'm arguing against
oh, alright
Quote from: JrDude 益 on February 18, 2013, 05:21:23 AM
Any arguments I may have are pointless to say
this pretty much cleared up his thoughts for me, lol
Quote from: Sirwaddy on February 18, 2013, 01:55:49 PM
Have you not been reading the last 3453 pages of this thread? BOTH sides have been giving "evidence" for their own claims. Whether or not you find the points against yours as valid is your own problem. It doesn't change the fact that the arguments have been countered.
Except I haven't seen anything really get "countered".
Custom recently mentioned that you all have been posting reasons why they shouldn't add a new type. I can't say that I've seen any real reasons posted why there shouldn't be a new type except for the fear that the game would become even more imbalanced, which is a legitimate concern.
Other than that. Nothing rational.
so when there is no new type are yall gonna be like
yeah well i didnt think there was gonna be a new type i just thought well intercourse you
or
FUCK YOU NINTENDO WHY IS THERE NO NEW TYPE ?!?!1?!11?11
Quote from: The Riddler on February 18, 2013, 05:05:48 PM
so when there is no new type are yall gonna be like
yeah well i didnt think there was gonna be a new type i just thought well intercourse you
or
FUCK YOU NINTENDO WHY IS THERE NO NEW TYPE ?!?!1?!11?11
more like
"what is the point of playing up the mysteriousness of these pokemon's typings?"
because really, what intercourse ing point is there? They've never does this before.
I can't read Japanese. Which of the two lines with ??? signifies Type?
(http://i.imgur.com/QDBDoUv.png)
Quote from: Z on February 18, 2013, 06:07:59 PM
more like
"what is the point of playing up the mysteriousness of these pokemon's typings?"
because really, what intercourse ing point is there? They've never does this before.
because it's an eeveelution and they all revolve around type?
ftr i am starting to think there will be no second eevee
this one has too much hype, a second one would be downplayed
Quote from: The Riddler on February 18, 2013, 06:20:07 PM
ftr i am starting to think there will be no second eevee
this one has too much hype, a second one would be downplayed
There isn't going to be a second Eeveelution. Sylveon has been hinted at for a while now with Japan's movie short "Eevee & Friends". Each character represented an eeveelution and as you can see, there's only room for Sylveon.
(http://i81.photobucket.com/albums/j219/horohorozeno/pokejungle_eevee_speculation_zps3f9fbe02.png)
Quote from: The Riddler on February 18, 2013, 06:10:57 PM
I can't read Japanese. Which of the two lines with ??? signifies Type?
(http://i.imgur.com/QDBDoUv.png)
The first one
Quote from: Sirwaddy on February 18, 2013, 06:34:09 PM
There isn't going to be a second Eeveelution. Sylveon has been hinted at with Japan's movie short "Eevee & Friends". Each character represented an eeveelution and as you can see, there's only room for Sylveon.
(http://i81.photobucket.com/albums/j219/horohorozeno/pokejungle_eevee_speculation_zps3f9fbe02.png)
gay
intercourse ing japan
technically that only means sylveon will be the only new eevee in the movie.
but yeah there's not another.
Quote from: zephilicious on February 18, 2013, 06:38:54 PM
technically that only means sylveon will be the only new eevee in the movie.
Steel eevee confirmed
could be my colorblind but the colors for umbreon and glaceon in that picture really suck
Quote from: The Riddler on February 18, 2013, 08:04:01 PM
could be my colorblind but the colors for umbreon and glaceon in that picture really suck
those are the normal sprites
clap type confirmed
no, their japanese letter that "the colors match up with"
Quote from: The Riddler on February 18, 2013, 08:46:04 PM
no, their japanese letter that "the colors match up with"
That's because the logo is keeping a pastel color scheme for the sake of the short. That doesn't change anything.
Quote from: Custom on February 18, 2013, 02:00:18 AM
LOL LOL LOL i can't even think straight after reading this garbage
conquest was hard to find, but using that as a reference point for all ds releases is poop
it was also hard to find everywhere in general and isn't a main series pokemon game.
there are tons of copies of b&w2
also really, you talked to the manager of your local gamestop? about conquest? that's your source? REALLY? are you joking???
he probably spouted bullpoop at you to try to get you to leave the store. or you probably just misquoted him as you tend to do
i really don't think the fact that they lingered on the ds was the main reason for sales hurting.
please post actual sources thanks
It's a small intercourse ing store in the mall, the only people working there were the manager and one other employee. I spent a few minutes looking and eventually the girl behind the counter asked me if I needed help (I was the only customer in the store) and I told her what game I was looking for. She went and got the manager and he said it was only available to those who pre-ordered it. I asked him why they didn't have any extra copies and he said, word for word, "Because everything is 3DS now." Note: My local GameStop carries less Nintendo than Sony or Microsoft by a large amount, so it seemed to me like they wanted to use what little space they had for 3DS stuff and 3DS stuff alone.
I mentioned that they had shelves full of Black and White when they came out (which they did) and asked why they'd do that but not have a single extra copy of Conquest. He said, "Because Pokemon is a very popular franchise" which I didn't get at all, considering Pokemon Conquest...is...a Pokemon game. But whatever, I guess he figured that the main series games would sell better. Which is correct.
And then when Black 2 and White 2 came out, my local GameStop's deal was again pre-order only. So yeah. Sorry I couldn't intercourse ing videotape the conversation with him. But that is what happened. If your GameStop is bigger than a public restroom and you didn't have this problem, good for you.
Just like to add that I'm not blaming all GameStop stores. Just mine, which has known to be more than a bit unreliable. I just don't think it's the only store in the country that'll go that low.
Quote from: Z on February 18, 2013, 09:38:46 AM
Conquest, hard to find? It's intercourse ing everywhere here.
Eh, on an unrelated note, Target and Best Buy didn't have it either when I first went to get it (Day after release). The guy at Best Buy was very helpful and looked it up, and it turns out Best Buy had the wrong release date, and they weren't going to get it until exactly one week after the actual release date. Target was not helpful at all, and I couldn't get a reason why they didn't have it. It took until my fourth store (Fucking Wal-Mart, man) to actually find a copy of the darn game to pick it up.
I'm sure now you'll be able to find it anywhere except the GameStop in Kingston, New York (lol), which last I checked had still not a single new copy of Conquest.
Quote from: Kayo on February 18, 2013, 09:17:58 PM
It's a small intercourse ing store in the mall, the only people working there were the manager and one other employee. I spent a few minutes looking and eventually the girl behind the counter asked me if I needed help (I was the only customer in the store) and I told her what game I was looking for. She went and got the manager and he said it was only available to those who pre-ordered it. I asked him why they didn't have any extra copies and he said, word for word, "Because everything is 3DS now." Note: My local GameStop carries less Nintendo than Sony or Microsoft by a large amount, so it seemed to me like they wanted to use what little space they had for 3DS stuff and 3DS stuff alone.
I mentioned that they had shelves full of Black and White when they came out (which they did) and asked why they'd do that but not have a single extra copy of Conquest. He said, "Because Pokemon is a very popular franchise" which I didn't get at all, considering Pokemon Conquest...is...a Pokemon game. But whatever, I guess he figured that the main series games would sell better. Which is correct.
And then when Black 2 and White 2 came out, my local GameStop's deal was again pre-order only. So yeah. Sorry I couldn't intercourse ing videotape the conversation with him. But that is what happened. If your GameStop is bigger than a public restroom and you didn't have this problem, good for you.
Just like to add that I'm not blaming all GameStop stores. Just mine, which has known to be more than a bit unreliable. I just don't think it's the only store in the country that'll go that low.
Eh, on an unrelated note, Target and Best Buy didn't have it either when I first went to get it (Day after release). The guy at Best Buy was very helpful and looked it up, and it turns out Best Buy had the wrong release date, and they weren't going to get it until exactly one week after the actual release date. Target was not helpful at all, and I couldn't get a reason why they didn't have it. It took until my fourth store (Fucking Wal-Mart, man) to actually find a copy of the darn game to pick it up.
I'm sure now you'll be able to find it anywhere except the GameStop in Kingston, New York (lol), which last I checked had still not a single new copy of Conquest.
what was the point of posting all this lol
sorry kid try again next time
silverhawk: master of the forum
please share your input on the new eeveelution
Quote from: The Riddler on February 18, 2013, 06:10:57 PM
I can't read Japanese. Which of the two lines with ??? signifies Type?
(http://i.imgur.com/QDBDoUv.png)
First one, it's "taipu" in katakana. Phonetics.Was probably answered already but I'm just replying to like everything.
Quote from: Sirwaddy on February 18, 2013, 06:34:09 PM
There isn't going to be a second Eeveelution. Sylveon has been hinted at for a while now with Japan's movie short "Eevee & Friends". Each character represented an eeveelution and as you can see, there's only room for Sylveon.
(http://i81.photobucket.com/albums/j219/horohorozeno/pokejungle_eevee_speculation_zps3f9fbe02.png)
Or, they could hype the intercourse out of Sylveon (due to its new type????????), use only it in the short or whatever, then silently create a second one that we won't see until the game's release? Maybe they just haven't thought of a second one yet?
(Probably not very likely, I'm just being overly hopeful because I want a second one ;~;)
Quote from: Z on February 18, 2013, 07:55:56 PM
Steel eevee confirmed
Just assuming you're not serious because I haven't seen anything on this. Don't mess with me like that, though.
Quote from: The Riddler on February 18, 2013, 08:04:01 PM
could be my colorblind but the colors for umbreon and glaceon in that picture really suck
because putting black in a logo full of pastel colors would kind of mess up what they were going for
Quote from: Custom on February 18, 2013, 09:20:29 PM
what was the point of posting all this lol
sorry kid try again next time
Because it explains everything you criticized my original post for so have fun reading it. You asked.
Oh also @JrDude because I'm too lazy to pick one of your posts to reply to.
No one.
No one at all is saying that we're 100% going to get a new type. You're saying we're 100% keeping our current 17 with no additions. Stop being so gosh darn stubborn.
Quote from: Kayo on February 18, 2013, 09:28:47 PM
Going with either Normal or an unreleased type on this one.
Quote from: Kayo on February 18, 2013, 09:28:47 PM
I'm actually starting to hope for a new type
Quote from: Kayo on February 18, 2013, 09:28:47 PM
If that doesn't say "Light" (or fairy/whatever fancy name GF might have up their sleeve) then I don't know what does.
Quote from: Kayo on February 18, 2013, 09:28:47 PM
Which is kind of why I'm suggesting a new type (with the next one being one of the 9 types that we already have that aren't already covered) and at this point there really is no decent argument for it or against it.
Quote from: Kayo on February 18, 2013, 09:28:47 PM
Unless they loosed this one early to showcase a new type. It's one of the two, quite frankly.
Quote from: Kayo on February 18, 2013, 09:28:47 PM
Honestly, we're more likely to get a new type than to get a Normal Eeveelution.
Quote from: Kayo on February 18, 2013, 09:28:47 PM
Anyway, I'm sure it's generally agreeable that we're more likely to get a "Light" type than a "Fairy" type, if anything.
Quote from: Kayo on February 18, 2013, 09:28:47 PM
No one. No one at all is saying that we're 100% going to get a new type.
during a funfest mission in black 2 you can find an eevee
fun type confirmed
Quote from: Sirwaddy on February 18, 2013, 10:24:52 PM
Yeah, and in
none of those quotes did I say that we're definitely, without a doubt getting one. This whole time i've accepted the fact that, no matter how likely it seems, it's not set in stone until an official source comes out and says that "[Pokemon] will be of the [unreleased] type". You have to realize that most of this is just hypothetical speculation.
What type do you guys think Xerneas and Yveltal are going to be?
Quote from: Sirwaddy on February 19, 2013, 12:06:47 AM
What type do you guys think Xerneas and Yveltal are going to be?
normal or psy and fire/flying
I kind of see Xerneas as being something with Water. Initially when I saw its horns I thought of a light spectrum which lead me to think of a light type. But I also think that since water can refract light like that Water is a possibility. And it's blue...
Quote from: Sirwaddy on February 19, 2013, 12:24:22 AM
I kind of see Xerneas as being something with Water. Initially when I saw its horns I thought of a light spectrum which lead me to think of a light type. But I also think that since water can refract light like that Water is a possibility. And it's blue...
So was Dialga, which ended up being Steel. Which is why I said earlier that it could be Steel and I wouldn't be TOO surprised, but honestly if it's not a new type I have not the slightest clue what it could be.
Yveltal either, for that matter. They're both so ambiguous that there's no way to accurately tell. It was rumored via a recent fake CoroCoro "leak" that it was Dragon/Dark but even that doesn't seem to entirely fit.
Quote from: Custom on February 19, 2013, 12:22:47 AM
normal or psy and fire/flying
Other than it being red I don't see fire at all.
xerneas is half steel. sword feet.
Not once did I say, nor imply, that anyone thinks there is a 100% chance of being a new type. You're confusing my saying that "I know there won't be a new type" with other things I'm saying.
There's no point in arguing because you guys will argue against it with "evidence" of your side of the argument, and there's no changing anyone's mind in this thread.
Everyone who thinks there will probably be a new type, will think it regardless of what I, or anyone else says.
Everyone who thinks a new type is unlikely will think it regardless of what anyone else says.
Because we believe what we believe and think our beliefs are right so we won't let other beliefs cloud our beliefs. Make sense?
I give no poop about the fact that a lot of you think there will be a new type, it's true. I understand why you think so, and anything I say won't change the fact that you will continue to think so.
Which is why there's no point in arguing.
I can say any argument that supports my side, and it could be good, it could be bad, it could be a repeat of what someone else said but worded a bit differently, it could be a completely different argument not said yet, but no matter what is said, someone else will come along and put a reason on why their reasoning is more right than what I said. Show me multiple times where this DIDN'T happen and maybe I'll put my reasonings. But like I said, there's no point. You guys are just as stubborn as me, but you all cloud it with the "We don't think it's a 100% chance, we just think it's VERY LIKELY," which makes you all FEEL like you have an open mind, when you don't. And if I'm stubborn for not changing my mind, well if you keep that thought process the entire thread, you are just as stubborn.
I predict that most if not all that reply will still think I'm stubborn while they have open minds and insult me in some way because you have the exact same beliefs as you did before my post because every post goes over your head and you're more right than me.
Example of an "Open Mind"
I think there will probably be a new type, but it could be Normal.
*Reads arguments*
They make a good point, maybe it WON'T be a new type. But there's still a possibility it is.
or
I think it will probably be a new type.
*Reads Arguments*
I understand your arguments and why you think this, but I still think it's probably a new type.
What is being said
I think it will probably be a new type, but it could be Normal I guess.
*Reads arguments*
Well you're clearly wrong (and stupid, depending how much I like you within the forum), it's probably a new type.
ohey, I made it obvious this time that there's transparent text, so it's useless to be transparent this time. Aw well.
Nope it's just you.
I certainly would have argued against a new type a week ago, and plenty of other people have switched sides, some more than once.
Give me a better argument than the one I'm pushing now and I'll gladly switch back. I have no personal stake in whether or not there's a new type. At this point in time it seems more likely, and that's still all I've argued.
Quote from: Custom on February 18, 2013, 10:27:23 PM
during a funfest mission in black 2 you can find an eevee
fun type confirmed
its true
Quote from: Kayo on February 19, 2013, 12:44:58 AM
So was Dialga, which ended up being Steel.
Yes but then there is Suicune, Kyogre, Phione, and Manaphy that support my thought of it being at least part water.
Even if they did make a new type I doubt they'd shove it in our faces by making the legendaries that type. We got Dark and Steel in Gen 2 and we didn't get a Dark or Steel legendary.
Confirmed rumor!
(http://images.4chan.org/vp/src/1361225814223.png)
oh wow, not expected
Wowee I didnt not expect these new pokemangies I can not wait for the new christmas type
Quote from: zephilicious on February 19, 2013, 12:51:25 AM
xerneas is half steel. sword feet.
Right, I knew there had to be a better reason my mind kept going to Steel except shared color with Dialga. That was it, forgot.
Quote from: Sirwaddy on February 19, 2013, 09:00:28 AM
Yes but then there is Suicune, Kyogre, Phione, and Manaphy that support my thought of it being at least part water.
Even if they did make a new type I doubt they'd shove it in our faces by making the legendaries that type. We got Dark and Steel in Gen 2 and we didn't get a Dark or Steel legendary.
So everything blue = water. Okay. Cool. Also that sword feet thing that was mentioned was my other reason for thinking of Steel that just hadn't come to mind at the time. So yeah.
On that second point, I wouldn't be so sure. The reason I said they might do that is because, after four generations of having the same seventeen types we suddenly get more (hypothetically speaking), it's a pretty big deal. I just think, in my opinion, that such a change is drastic enough to warrant using the mascots as representatives to showcase it.
In Gen II, Pokemon as a whole was still a young franchise, and was arguably still really in the takeoff phase when they added the two new types. It just wasn't as big a deal adding a few more right off the bat as it would be to add them so far into the series. Which, from what I can tell is a generally agreeable view, considering a large argument against getting new types is because it's a drastic change from what we've been used to for four generations. If it's such a drastic change, it's a big deal. Honestly it seems like something they would do, use the cover legendaries to show the new pair of types
IF they were adding them at this point.
Of course, this is all just speculation as we know nothing about Xerneas and Yveltal's type combinations so far. I'm about to say I'd personally rather have them both have unreleased types than combinations that already exist :/
Quote from: Kayo on February 19, 2013, 10:09:29 PM
I'm about to say I'd personally rather have them both have unreleased types than combinations that already exist :/
I'm down for that. New type combinations for legendaries are always welcome. If Xerneas isn't Water/Steel or Steel/Water I don't know what it'd be.
As for Yveltal I don't know what it is. Likely part Flying, I hope Dragon doesn't have anything to do with it though. We need more non-legendary Dragon-types. Dark/Fire? Dark Flying? Fire/Flying? The legendaries' types are anyone's guess really.
Personally I think what their types are is more interesting than Sylveon's hidden type.
Quote from: Sirwaddy on February 19, 2013, 10:22:39 PM
I'm down for that. New type combinations for legendaries are always welcome. If Xerneas isn't Water/Steel or Steel/Water I don't know what it'd be.
As for Yveltal I don't know what it is. Likely part Flying, I hope Dragon doesn't have anything to do with it though. We need more non-legendary Dragon-types. Dark/Fire? Dark Flying? Fire/Flying? The legendaries' types are anyone's guess really.
Personally I think what their types are is more interesting than Sylveon's hidden type.
I don't know where you're getting Water from for Xerneas. I really, really don't see it at all. I see Grass before Water, but that's probably just because it reminds me too much of Sawsbuck. I'm sticking to my part Steel theory, though.
I'm pretty sure Yveltal will get a Flying type. I mean, it
could just get the Levitate ability, but I highly doubt they'd do that on a version mascot. I feel like unique abilities like they've gotten in Gens III and V (really everything but IV because abilities didn't exist in I and II, and honestly I'll never understand why they just slapped Pressure on Dia and Palk like they did) are going to become the norm, and we'll probably (hopefully) see that again. Two new abilities (or one shared) that no other Pokemon has. There's no way they're going to leave Yveltal grounded, so Flying seems to be a given. As for the other type, it's anyone's guess. Zekrom became an Electric type, after all.*
*Yeah, I know it's always depicted with blue electricity all around it, but before they told us its type there was absolutely none of that.
Quote from: Kayo on February 19, 2013, 10:09:29 PM
So everything blue = water. Okay. Cool.
Of course, this is all just speculation
maybe you don't realize it but every time you talk to anybody about this you sound so like uppity like you're the pokemon master or something (you're not)
maybe you're trying to be sarcastic or light-hearted or something but it just seems like you're always attacking people. am i just reading into it wrong?
i thought his reasoning for it was fine
http://www.nsfcd.com/index.php?topic=38277.msg620330#msg620330
the post wasn't just "IT'S BLUE I HAVE NO OTHER REASONING WHATSOEVER"
Quote from: Custom on February 19, 2013, 10:39:50 PM
maybe you don't realize it but every time you talk to anybody about this you sound so like uppity like you're the pokemon master or something (you're not)
maybe you're trying to be sarcastic or light-hearted or something but it just seems like you're always attacking people. am i just reading into it wrong?
i thought his reasoning for it was fine
http://www.nsfcd.com/index.php?topic=38277.msg620330#msg620330
the post wasn't just "IT'S BLUE I HAVE NO OTHER REASONING WHATSOEVER"
You could always just read what I quoted:
Quote from: Sirwaddy on February 19, 2013, 09:00:28 AM
Yes but then there is Suicune, Kyogre, Phione, and Manaphy that support my thought of it being at least part water.
I just don't see water. Nor do I see where he got it from other than "light=water because water reflects light" because other existing Pokemon could fit that that aren't Water. His "logic" is a bit of a leap.
I don't see Xerneas being water and I have yet to be convinced. That's all.
Quote from: Kayo on February 19, 2013, 10:46:31 PM
You could always just read what I quoted:
I just don't see water. Nor do I see where he got it from other than "light=water because water reflects light" because other existing Pokemon could fit that that aren't Water. His "logic" is a bit of a leap.
I don't see Xerneas being water and I have yet to be convinced. That's all.
oh so you are being a vagina cleaning device about this
thanks for the info
i think what he said is fine
Quote from: Custom on February 19, 2013, 10:49:22 PM
oh so you are being a vagina cleaning device about this
thanks for the info
i think what he said is fine
I still don't see how it could be water. You could be convincing me, kthx
Quote from: Kayo on February 19, 2013, 10:53:33 PM
I still don't see how it could be water. You could be convincing me, kthx
Quote from: Custom on February 19, 2013, 10:49:22 PM
i think what he said is fine
Quote from: Kayo on February 19, 2013, 10:09:29 PM
Of course, this is all just speculation as we know nothing about Xerneas and Yveltal's type combinations so far.
Quote from: Custom on February 19, 2013, 10:56:00 PM
fine if we're speculating then i think that froakie will evolve into a fire/fighting type
don't let's be silly now
Quote from: Kayo on February 19, 2013, 11:08:06 PM
fine if we're speculating then i think that froakie will evolve into a fire/fighting type
don't let's be silly now
you're an idiot and a vagina cleaning device
intercourse off
is this going to be intelligent speculation or "i don't agree with you so intercourse off" because if i wanted the latter i'd discuss it with 12-year-olds on Serebii
Quote from: Kayo on February 19, 2013, 11:16:00 PM
is this going to be intelligent speculation or "i don't agree with you so intercourse off"
what he said was fine
your speculation was fine
your dumb attack was not fine
you made fun of a user for something that was fine by stating something you obviously don't believe
that warrants a intercourse off
Quote from: Custom on February 19, 2013, 11:17:01 PM
what he said was fine
your speculation was fine
your dumb attack was not fine
you made fun of a user for something that was fine by stating something you obviously don't believe
that warrants a intercourse off
pretty sure saying "i don't see it" =/= attack
Quote from: Kayo on February 19, 2013, 11:18:33 PM
pretty sure saying "i don't see it" =/= attack
it's okay kayo everyone thinks you're real cool
everyone is dying to hear your master knowledge of pokemon speculation
please inform us more i don't want to listen to what other pleb users have to say
please continue acting like everyone that doesn't have the same train of thought as you is completely off base
it's really fun to read and i really want you to reply to this defending yourself more because that's what i want out of a pokemon speculation thread
Quote from: Kayo on February 19, 2013, 11:16:00 PM
is this going to be intelligent speculation or "i don't agree with you so intercourse off"
You're doing the exact same thing though. I or somebody else makes a speculation or shares a thought, and because you don't agree with it you don't consider it intelligent speculation and dismiss it. Pretty sure you saying "I don't see it" DOESN'T render a theory to be proven false.
You and I both have our own speculation and we have both provided plenty reasons to support our claims. Yet you deny the fact that other people
are making valid statements because they're irrelevant to what you believe to be true. If you want intelligent speculation and decent discussions in this thread don't treat everyone's theories as appeals to you and your theories.
This isn't the "convince Kayo" thread. Nobody is trying to change your opinions about what types these intercourse ing pokemon are. We're just trying to talk about them and share theories. And that's pretty intercourse ing hard to do when you ambush every theory that isn't yours.
Quote from: Sirwaddy on February 19, 2013, 11:24:42 PM
You're doing the exact same thing though. I or somebody else makes a speculation or shares a thought, and because you don't agree with it you don't consider it intelligent speculation and dismiss it. Pretty sure you saying "I don't see it" DOESN'T render a theory to be proven false.
I never said it did.
QuoteYou and I both have our own speculation and we have both provided plenty reasons to support our claims. Yet you deny the fact that other people are making valid statements because they're irrelevant to what you believe to be true. If you want intelligent speculation and decent discussions in this thread don't treat everyone's theories as appeals to you and your theories.
Well excuse me for not seeing where you're coming from. You made this whole post but you couldn't just explain where you got water from. That's quite literally all I asked.
QuoteThis isn't the "convince Kayo" thread. Nobody is trying to change your opinions about what types these intercourse ing pokemon are. We're just trying to talk about them and share theories. And that's pretty intercourse ing hard to do when you ambush every theory that isn't yours.
No you're not, because when I try to ask anyone to elaborate on their theory they get all defensive. This really isn't much of a discussion, lol. It's just a group of people with different ideas on the same thing all talking to themselves.
Quote from: Kayo on February 20, 2013, 12:57:08 AM
You made this whole post but you couldn't just explain where you got water from. That's quite literally all I asked.
Quote from: Sirwaddy on February 19, 2013, 12:24:22 AM
I kind of see Xerneas as being something with Water. Initially when I saw its horns I thought of a light spectrum which lead me to think of a light type. But I also think that since water can refract light like that Water is a possibility. And it's blue...
I
did explain where I got water from. But because you disagreed with it the words must have disappeared.
Xerneas is more likely to be Water type than Palkia. And Palkia is intercourse ing Water type. I literally see NO REASON AT ALL for that typing for Palkia.... I almost went on a rant.
But speaking of Palkia, there really is no telling what the type will be. They can throw a curve ball like with Black & White at any time. Hell, they could do this with the Eeveelution. Watch it be a Ghost Type.
In all honesty, I can see Game Freak being all "OH THEY LOVED PURE FLYING, LET'S DO IT AGAIN" And then make Yvetal Pure Flying Type. Hell, they did that with the Fire Starters. "EVERYONE LOVED BLAZIKEN AND IT'S TYPING, LET'S DO THAT TYPING AGAIN AND AGAIN!"
So that's my updated prediction for that.
As for Xerneas, Grass/Psychic prediction again. Maybe Grass/Steel? I dunno, but I still think it's going to be the representative of "Mother Nature"
Why? Well it's in a forest, it represents the Letter/Chromosome X, seems peaceful and whatnot. Maybe it will be pure Grass? OR GRASS/DRAGON, a unique (but very unlikely for this thing) type combination.
But because it's in a Forest as it's revealed display spot, I really don't see it NOT being a Grass type. Unless it was Bug. But then again, not only Grass things need to live in the forest, so... But I still think Grass type will be there somewhere.
Yeah I can kinda see Psychic as a subtype. Perhaps Water/Psychic, or like you said Grass/Psychic. Maybe Steel/Psychic? Haven't seen that since Jirachi so that'd be nice. Oh god I hope Yveltal isn't pure flying. To me that thing has got to have some subtype. What if it's Fighting/Flying? That'd be new.
Quote from: Kayo on February 20, 2013, 12:57:08 AM
Well excuse me for not seeing where you're coming from. You made this whole post but you couldn't just explain where you got water from. That's quite literally all I asked.
No you're not, because when I try to ask anyone to elaborate on their theory they get all defensive. This really isn't much of a discussion, lol. It's just a group of people with different ideas on the same thing all talking to themselves.
i really hope you're joking
Quote from: JrDude 益 on February 20, 2013, 02:32:20 AM
Xerneas is more likely to be Water type than Palkia. And Palkia is intercourse ing Water type. I literally see NO REASON AT ALL for that typing for Palkia.... I almost went on a rant.
But speaking of Palkia, there really is no telling what the type will be. They can throw a curve ball like with Black & White at any time. Hell, they could do this with the Eeveelution. Watch it be a Ghost Type.
In all honesty, I can see Game Freak being all "OH THEY LOVED PURE FLYING, LET'S DO IT AGAIN" And then make Yvetal Pure Flying Type. Hell, they did that with the Fire Starters. "EVERYONE LOVED BLAZIKEN AND IT'S TYPING, LET'S DO THAT TYPING AGAIN AND AGAIN!"
So that's my updated prediction for that.
As for Xerneas, Grass/Psychic prediction again. Maybe Grass/Steel? I dunno, but I still think it's going to be the representative of "Mother Nature"
Why? Well it's in a forest, it represents the Letter/Chromosome X, seems peaceful and whatnot. Maybe it will be pure Grass? OR GRASS/DRAGON, a unique (but very unlikely for this thing) type combination.
Anything is possible for the legendaries. It's half the fun! haha.
I like grass/steel, but water/psychic, water/steel or a normal legendary doesn't seem too far for me.
I really am hoping for fire/flying for Yvetal. Pure flying would be cool too though. As long as you know, they don't continue the fire/fighting trend you mention and keep it up forever.
Quote from: Sirwaddy on February 20, 2013, 02:35:55 AM
Yeah I can kinda see Psychic as a subtype. Perhaps Water/Psychic, or like you said Grass/Psychic. Maybe Steel/Psychic? Haven't seen that since Jirachi so that'd be nice. Oh god I hope Yveltal isn't pure flying. To me that thing has got to have some subtype. What if it's Fighting/Flying? That'd be new.
dude fighting/flying would be crazy
it does have like arm things lol
Palkia is a water type because it is the "Space" pokemon.
Have you plebs never heard of space being called the "celestial ocean"?
christ get out of your basement more its like i'm really on /vp/
Quote from: Z on February 20, 2013, 07:04:35 AM
Palkia is a water type because it is the "Space" pokemon.
Have you plebs never heard of space being called the "celestial ocean"?
christ get out of your basement more its like i'm really on /vp/
if that's good enough for it to be water then i can see Xerneas being typed water lol
I'd like to see steel/psychic vs dark/dragon
they're be pretty evenly matched, not that gamefreak cares
Yeah I'm liking the Steel/Psychic idea quite a bit now. I can kind of see Dark/Dragon for Yveltal but I still see more of a bird than a dragon, and dragon's kind of been done with legendaries too much. Watch they'll both get second forms and both be part dragon.
next dragon type should be Grass/Dragon
intercourse yeah
Quote from: Z on February 20, 2013, 02:54:06 PM
next dragon type should be Grass/Dragon
intercourse yeah
i'd like this
Quote from: Sirwaddy on February 20, 2013, 01:36:44 AM
I did explain where I got water from. But because you disagreed with it the words must have disappeared.
The fact that "water reflects light" seems like too much of a stretch to call it Water for me. For like the tenth time, I don't see it.
Quote from: JrDude 益 on February 20, 2013, 02:32:20 AM
Xerneas is more likely to be Water type than Palkia. And Palkia is intercourse ing Water type. I literally see NO REASON AT ALL for that typing for Palkia.... I almost went on a rant.
Dialga is based around the diamond, the hardest substance on earth, so it becomes Steel to reflect the durability of the diamond. Palkia is based on the pearl, a gem which comes directly from the sea, so it's Water. Would be my best guess.
QuoteIn all honesty, I can see Game Freak being all "OH THEY LOVED PURE FLYING, LET'S DO IT AGAIN" And then make Yvetal Pure Flying Type. Hell, they did that with the Fire Starters. "EVERYONE LOVED BLAZIKEN AND IT'S TYPING, LET'S DO THAT TYPING AGAIN AND AGAIN!"
So that's my updated prediction for that.
If they checked on the fanbase at all they'd know that we don't love the repeated Fire/Fighting typing. Even if they didn't, I honestly doubt they'd go a FOURTH generation in a row. Even three was a stretch. Sure, they were possessed enough to not stop after two generations, but I'd imagine they have a little bit of sense left in them.
QuoteAs for Xerneas, Grass/Psychic prediction again. Maybe Grass/Steel? I dunno, but I still think it's going to be the representative of "Mother Nature"
Why? Well it's in a forest, it represents the Letter/Chromosome X, seems peaceful and whatnot. Maybe it will be pure Grass? OR GRASS/DRAGON, a unique (but very unlikely for this thing) type combination.
But because it's in a Forest as it's revealed display spot, I really don't see it NOT being a Grass type. Unless it was Bug. But then again, not only Grass things need to live in the forest, so... But I still think Grass type will be there somewhere.
It was first seen in a forest, yeah, which is unusual for a version mascot I suppose. The only ones that really have been tied to the environment at all are the ones from Gens II and III, in which we've had the ocean twice, the skies twice (let's include Rayquaza) and whatever you'd call Groudon's land affiliation (volcanic?) and we've never had a Grass type mascot, so it seems pretty logical that Xerneas would be grass. Or the forest could mean absolutely nothing when it comes to type. That's equally possible.
Grass/Psychic is a poopty type combination and would be absolutely horrifying to have on a cover legendary. It sucks enough on Exeggutor and Celebi that I don't want to see it on another Pokemon at all, let alone a legendary. How about Grass/Steel? It's not a bad type combination at all. I really want to stand by Steel though. The swordlike legs are too much of a dead giveaway for me.
Quote from: zephilicious on February 20, 2013, 10:38:19 AM
I'd like to see steel/psychic vs dark/dragon
they're be pretty evenly matched, not that gamefreak cares
For whatever reason I don't see only ONE of them being Dragon. It seems as though if they're going to bring the whole dragon thing into it, it'll be a shared type. Personal opinion.
Dark/Flying for Yveltal would seem kind of boring, but it's a type only held by Honchkrow and Mandibuzz, so it's a rather uncommon type.
GameFreak seems to like unique type combinations for mascots lately, by the way. Dialga, Reshiram, and Zekrom were all unique, and Palkia only shared with Kingdra. It's not really too much of a pattern, but whatever. Would be nice to see what they can pull off.
so when are they announcing the new stuff
next coro coro will show up in a week and a half or so, there's always a chance for something there
the most popular fan speculator (one of those "my uncle works for gamefreak" types, but for some reason people believe him) says pre-evolutions of pinsir and heracross will be revealed then. it's incredibly unlikely, but if that happens then we know everything.
more likely we won't learn anything big until the next movie (and the sylveon short) releases in july.
i hate pre-evos
Not counting January because that was when the games were announced, we will likely get news the same day CoroCoro releases in Japan, which is the 14th here (when the site updated with Sylveon) and the 15th in Japan.
Also a little side note: Since our way of getting the news is through the Pokemon website as opposed to Japan's magazine source, we're also likely to get trailers and footage first like what happened with the Sylveon trailer. We got it when the rest of the Sylveon news came out, and Japan got it a few days later on their "Pokemon Smash" TV program.
Quote from: Custom on March 04, 2013, 01:14:33 PM
i hate pre-evos
They're like poopty cute do-nothing additions to the game.
There's nothing wrong with pre-evos that show up in the wild. they allow pokemon that are otherwise too strong to show up earlier in the game.
Quote from: zephilicious on March 04, 2013, 03:42:10 PM
There's nothing wrong with pre-evos that show up in the wild. they allow pokemon that are otherwise too strong to show up earlier in the game.
I honestly never thought of it that way before. I don't like pre-evos as much as I used to though, as I would much rather have more evolutions this generation. The only fourth gen Pokemon I really like are the evolutions like Electivire and Lickilicky.
I'm hoping we don't see a pre-evolution to Pinsir or Heracross tis month because that will prove everything Mr. XY said and I honestly feel like a bunch of the Pokemon he listed are crap. Though they might look a lot better than they sound, as I recall Tympole's and Leavanny's descriptions made them sound a whole hell of a lot worse than they actually looked. But I mostly hope it's all fake because I'd like there to still be an element of surprise with what Pokemon to expect in the coming months.
of course its bullpoop people don't leak poop on 4chan
Quote from: zephilicious on March 04, 2013, 09:09:54 PM
of course its bullpoop people don't leak poop on 4chan
I know. Though I'm not gonna lie I liked the yeti Ice/Fire Darmanitan variant the guy was talking about.
Quote from: zephilicious on March 04, 2013, 03:42:10 PM
There's nothing wrong with pre-evos that show up in the wild. they allow pokemon that are otherwise too strong to show up earlier in the game.
96% of my time is spent doing post-story post-post-game content like ev/iv training and fighting the e4 743123456 times to get my perfect pokemon to level 100
Let's talk about the new Pokemon from CoroCoro. I'm going to be slightly lazy and just quote Serebii. All the pictures and stuff are there so yeah.
QuoteThe first details of CoroCoro appears to have come out. With special thanks to my friend Gin for translation. First, the Pokémon on the far right is called Gogoat (ゴーゴート literally Gohgohto) and is the Riding Pokémon. It's Grass-type, 1.7m and 91.0kg. You can actually ride this Pokémon in the field. It can learn Horn Leech
The lizard is called Elikiteru (エリキテル) and is a Electric/Normal-type. It is the Generation Pokémon and is 0.5m and 6.0kg. It has a new move called Parabola Charge which heals the user while damaging opponents. It uses solar rays to generate electricity
The bird is called Yayakoma (ヤヤコマ) and is the Japanese Robin Pokémon. It is Normal/Flying, 0.3m and 1.7kg. It announces itself with a beautiful voice. It can use the move Flame Charge
The panda is called Yancham ( ヤンチャム) and is the Naughty Pokémon. It is Fighting-type, 0.6m and 8.0kg. It has a new move called Parting Remark
There appears to be more including the game's boxarts, and the Pokédex, as well as the region map but it's not completely visible. We'll bring more as it comes so be sure to keep checking. It also promises more information on Gogoat on a later page.
Edit: The game is set in the Karos Region which appears to be based on France. You can customise your trainer slightly with hair colour and skin shade. Main city is Miare City which is where it is seen to ride Gogoat
Gogoat is...actually really cute. Don't know what the purpose of the riding thing will be, but I'm glad its design is tolerable enough to get some use out of the riding feature from me.
Elikiteru has an awful type (Normal/Electric) but actually it's unique and it does add a Ghost immunity so maybe it will be interesting. I'm not a big fan of it's design but I have really high hopes for its evolution(s). I really like the Electric damage-absorbing move though. Probably going to be an Electric equivalent of Giga Drain and Drain Punch but it could bring use into the idea of a Bulky Electric-type (could get some use on Eelektross)
Oh and the fact that Elikiteru "uses solar rays to generate electricity" MIGHT be a hint that it can use Solarbeam which would honestly make for a really interesting Electric type. Like, one that would function better in the Sun than the Rain (as pretty much all other Electrics do these days barring the physical ones that can carry fire moves like Electivire).
The bird's (Yayakoma) design is pretty ugly IMO but the fact that it can use Flame Charge leads me to believe that it'll be a USABLE bird like Staraptor was. Even though it's red and uses that move I don't think it'll necessary be a Fire type (Zebstrika is also known for learning Flame Charge on level-up) but it very well could be.
Yancham is that panda-esque fighting type thing. I'm on the fence about how I feel about its design but I'm somewhat worried about how its evolutions will turn out. Might be cool. It's attack "Parting Remark" sounds like a mixture of U-Turn and Memento to me, like it'll lower stats or something and then switch out instead of fainting. But I'm just going based on the translated Japanese name which is every kind of subjective.
Three customization options per gender. I really love the tanner-skinned male and will probably be playing as him. But yeah, it took bringing the region to Europe to allow players to be Aryan. Figures.
All in all, I'm pleased with this new reveal. None of the Pokemon designs really strike me as overwhelmingly BAD yet, even if they're not spectacular. I'm not too worried; I trust Gen VI will turn out just fine.
ALSO, since--remember--we're not looking forward to the Japanese release with this information, it's a worldwide release. So that means we'll probably get translated information almost as quick as we get the Japanese info. So we'll probably get English names for these new Pokemon really soon. (Sylveon took under a week IIRC and the rest had English names released at the same time or before the Japanese names)
the panda is super cute but im not getting my hopes up until i see some evolutions, thats where they tend to go overboard.
the fact that they announced types for all of these and still didnt mention sylveon lends even more credibility to the speculated new type.
the us info will be available around wednesday (when corocoro actually releases)
The "customization" is a step in the right direction, but that doesn't change the fact that the girl looks great in all the games and they just throw blue and red garbage at the male trainer.
The pokemon themselves look nice and I'm looking forward to the english reveal in a few days with all of this info.
The goat and the panda are alright. The other two suck. D:
The lizard is called Elikiteru (エリキテル) and is a Electric/Normal-type. It is the Generation Pokémon and is 0.5m and 6.0kg. It has a new move called Parabola Charge which heals the user while damaging opponents. It uses solar rays to generate electricity
i really hope this isn't this gens pikachu
Quote from: zephilicious on May 11, 2013, 11:30:35 AM
the panda is super cute but im not getting my hopes up until i see some evolutions, thats where they tend to go overboard.
the fact that they announced types for all of these and still didnt mention sylveon lends even more credibility to the speculated new type.
the us info will be available around wednesday (when corocoro actually releases)
Pretty much. Sylveon was one of, if not THE only Pokemon that didn't have its type released immediately in not only Gen VI, but Gen V also, excluding the cover legendaries. Genereally CoroCoro presents it like "This is X, it is a Y-type Pokemon."
I still honestly can't believe people are so thick as to say, even at this point, that there is zero chance of a new type. The claim is really pretty well backed up and you have to be an utter moron to not even CONSIDER it. I'm not going to say it's definitely going to happen yet, but it's undoubtedly possible.
Quote from: Sirwaddy on May 11, 2013, 12:13:21 PM
The "customization" is a step in the right direction, but that doesn't change the fact that the girl looks great in all the games and they just throw blue and red garbage at the male trainer.
I'm going to have to disagree with you on that because IMO the male protags in Gen V looked better than the females. Hilbert actually had a great design, and while both the B2W2 characters were pretty sub-par, the male was a lot less inexcusable than the female.
Quote from: The Riddler on May 11, 2013, 12:45:34 PM
The goat and the panda are alright. The other two suck. D:
Wait for the evolutions, mang. I'm seeing loads of evolutionary potential in Yayakoma and Elikiteru. I just hope they don't intercourse it up.
Also, Serebii updated since I posted the quote and it seems as though Parting Remark is... EXACTLY how I predicted it:
QuoteThe panda is called Yancham ( ヤンチャム) and is the Naughty Pokémon. It is Fighting-type, 0.6m and 8.0kg. It has a new move called Parting Remark which lowers the opponents stats and causes the user to switch out[/img]
That's pretty cool.
yancham is the naughty Pokemon so fighting/dark evolutions are a possibility, scrafty was pretty cool i guess im ok with another
also at this point last gen they revealed stuff like drillbur and galvantula and braviary and everyone thought gen v was going to be great then they gave us garbage and ice cream.
Quote from: Sirwaddy on May 11, 2013, 12:13:21 PM
but that doesn't change the fact that the girl looks great in all the games and they just throw blue and red garbage at the male trainer.
b&w2
Anyone can disagree all they want, but they can't deny the fact the guys have been wearing blue and red since Platinum. I'm sick of that.
In other obvious news, Smash confirmed Sylveon isn't Fighting, Steel, or Poison-type.
the robin is cute as intercourse
what is wrong with you people?
Quote from: zephilicious on May 11, 2013, 02:31:41 PM
also at this point last gen they revealed stuff like drillbur and galvantula and braviary and everyone thought gen v was going to be great then they gave us garbage and ice cream.
Oh you mean how Gen I gave us sludge and eggs
seriously
enough about trubbish and vanillish honestly
besides, one or two pokemon in no way makes or breaks an entire generation so you're wrong
Quote from: Sirwaddy on May 11, 2013, 05:15:00 PM
In other obvious news, Smash confirmed Sylveon isn't Fighting, Steel, or Poison-type.
Good, now the idiots that think it's fighting can shut up. All that's left is to either confirm or debunk flying and if it's the latter then a new type is pretty much confirmed.
Quote from: Kayo on May 11, 2013, 09:17:12 PM
Oh you mean how Gen I gave us sludge and eggs
seriously
enough about trubbish and vanillish honestly
besides, one or two pokemon in no way makes or breaks an entire generation so you're wrong
Good, now the idiots that think it's fighting can shut up. All that's left is to either confirm or debunk flying and if it's the latter then a new type is pretty much confirmed.
implying sylveon can't be GrounD type
what about normal HUH
Quote from: Kayo on May 11, 2013, 09:17:12 PM
Good, now the idiots that think it's fighting can shut up. All that's left is to either confirm or debunk flying and if it's the latter then a new type is pretty much confirmed.
Who cares
Also I agree with Zero the robin is intercourse ing adorable THEY'RE ALL CUTE
also all like 80% of hte pokemon in gen 5 suck
design wise not stats wise btw they're pretty good in terms of stats
Quote from: Britz on May 11, 2013, 09:26:42 PM
Who cares
Also I agree with Zero the robin is intercourse ing adorable THEY'RE ALL CUTE
I'm with her. I like them all!
I'm super excited about the customization. Even though I'll probably just end up with a brown haired and brown eyed main character with light skin because I'll want her to look like me. Buuuuuut... it's great for people with blonde hair or darker skin tones that want a main character that looks like them. My friend said she's going to make her character look like a ganguro girl just because she can. haha
I'm crossing my fingers for clothing customization even though it's a long shot. Maybe next gen, though. Perhaps we'll get accessories? I've been wondering about the sunglasses on top of both of the main character's heads for a while now. Also in the trailer they showed us the sunglasses on top of the male MC's head glitched when he swung across the vine and stayed floating in the air. That makes me think it's not a permanent part of his attire.
Quote from: Custom on May 11, 2013, 09:26:46 PM
also all like 80% of hte pokemon in gen 5 suck
design wise not stats wise btw they're pretty good in terms of stats
I like 80% of the pokemon in gen 5
you people seem pretty resistant to change
[spoiler]gen 3 had the worst designs)[/spoiler]
gen 3 is my favorite design wise
it's too bad those pokemon's stats suck
My girlfriend continually complains about Trubbish/Garbodor and my response is always the same.
"Generation one literally had two piles of poop and a couple of magnets. Stop complaining."
god darn it guys its not about the concepts its about aesthetics. i would be ok with a pretty garbage pokemon but trubbish is just terrible to look at
so is magnemite
magnemite is one of the best electric types ever, granted magneton is a little stupid and magnezone is terrible but stilll
He's literally a sentient magnet with no living characteristics other than a single eye
but whats better the other options are a sentient pokeball and a bunch of pikachu ripoffs
and pikachu i guess
Quote from: zephilicious on May 12, 2013, 12:48:32 AM
god darn it guys its not about the concepts its about aesthetics. i would be ok with a pretty garbage pokemon but trubbish is just terrible to look at
Can't have dirty garbage!
(http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y98/little_fairy969/Canyhavedirtygarbage_zps717f3469.png)
Quote from: zephilicious on May 12, 2013, 01:30:47 AM
but whats better the other options are a sentient pokeball and a bunch of pikachu ripoffs
and pikachu i guess
sentient pokeball is more acceptable considering the pokeball is such an important item within that universe
magnemite is just a magnet with an eye
Quote from: Custom on May 11, 2013, 11:42:53 PM
gen 3 is my favorite design wise
it's too bad those pokemon's stats suck
there are some good ones but I don't even have to struggle when thinking of the bad ones: elektrike, mancetric, spinda, plusle/minun, volbeat/illuminise, Hariyama, Mawile, god dude the list goes on. Not only do every single one of those pokemon SUCK, they're just not appealing at all, and I am generally pretty easy to please.
on the other hand Dusclops is freakin' sweet.
Quote from: Zero on May 12, 2013, 02:27:18 AM
there are some good ones but I don't even have to struggle when thinking of the bad ones: elektrike, mancetric, spinda, plusle/minun, volbeat/illuminise, Hariyama, Mawile, god dude the list goes on. Not only do every single one of those pokemon SUCK, they're just not appealing at all, and I am generally pretty easy to please.
on the other hand Dusclops is freakin' sweet.
i like them
5th gen sucks my dick see losers like rob try to #defend5thgen
you know htey just stole the face for vanilla ice from the dragon quest slimes
YOU KNOW IT
they do suck stats wise though
3rd gen sucks competitively
but they're my favorite designs of all the gens
i think it goes 3rd -> 1st -> 2nd -> 4th -> 5th
(although you could interchange 4th and 5th i really don't care much about those)
6th gen actually looks promising though, let's just hope they don't intercourse all of these dudes final evos
I liked 5th a lot as well as 3rd. Except for some of the evos 4th was awful. 1/2 are like the foundation I can't dislike them. And so far none of 6th has disappointed me so I'm looking forward to seeing more.
Quote from: Custom on May 11, 2013, 09:26:46 PM
also all like 80% of hte pokemon in gen 5 suck
design wise not stats wise btw they're pretty good in terms of stats
I actually think V was overall better than IV by a long shot.
Quote from: Zero on May 11, 2013, 11:34:05 PM
I like 80% of the pokemon in gen 5
you people seem pretty resistant to change
[spoiler]gen 3 had the worst designs)[/spoiler]
I'm not sure you got the point of Hoenn and Gen III; after two regions based around the busiest part of IRL Japan they went to a new, more remote region on a less inhabited, more tropical island. This is reflected in the new ways of building settlements (on treetops and in the center of an extinct volcano) and the more out-there Pokemon designs. As a whole, the Gen III designs are more zany and eccentric than from the previous two generations (Ludicolo, Mawile, Masquerain, Tropius, to name a few), representing in a way like the crazy poop you can find in more tropical parts of the real world. If you didn't like it then that's on you, but it's actually really cool when you see what they were going for.
Quote from: Custom on May 11, 2013, 11:42:53 PM
gen 3 is my favorite design wise
it's too bad those pokemon's stats suck
Entirely this. Gen III sucked at making Pokemon that were usable in competitive battling. I don't really do competitive much, but Gen III pokes are almost always outclassed.
Quote from: Zero on May 12, 2013, 02:27:18 AM
there are some good ones but I don't even have to struggle when thinking of the bad ones: elektrike, mancetric, spinda, plusle/minun, volbeat/illuminise, Hariyama, Mawile, god dude the list goes on. Not only do every single one of those pokemon SUCK, they're just not appealing at all, and I am generally pretty easy to please.
on the other hand Dusclops is freakin' sweet.
Manectric was no worse than a select handful of Gen I and II Pokemon. Spinda was a little playground for the new Personality Value stuff (the spots) and Plusle/Minun were made to show off the new Double Battle mechanic in an extremely gimmicky way (and if they were created two generations later they'd probably be one Pokemon; they're more aesthetically similar than the two Basculins). The fireflies... Hell if I know. I really feel like they were just made to be cute about gender counterparts and breeding (Volbeat can hatch from an Illumise egg). Hariyama draws parallel to a portion of Japanese culture (sumo wrestling) that we as Americans aren't quite as close to (Gen V's Gothitelle has a similar story). And Mawile is just freakin' adorable I don't know why you have such a problem with it.
Quote from: Custom on May 12, 2013, 02:46:41 AM
they do suck stats wise though
3rd gen sucks competitively
but they're my favorite designs of all the gens
i think it goes 3rd -> 1st -> 2nd -> 4th -> 5th
(although you could interchange 4th and 5th i really don't care much about those)
6th gen actually looks promising though, let's just hope they don't intercourse all of these dudes final evos
I personally wouldn't be that mean to 5th. It had some pretty cool designs like Chandelure and stuff that are COMPLETELY drowned out by everyone's hatred of Vanilluxe and Garbodor. If you ask me 2nd is probably at the bottom. I mean it spawned some cool favorites like Ampharos, but there are loads of Pokemon from there (Dunsparce, Granbull, Aipom, etc.) that I could live without--honestly can't see why they're loved so much. It was also the smallest Gen
Pokemon-wise actually in every way so naturally it has less Pokemon that are appealing (to me).
Quote from: Sirwaddy on May 12, 2013, 10:39:14 AM
I liked 5th a lot as well as 3rd. Except for some of the evos 4th was awful. 1/2 are like the foundation I can't dislike them. And so far none of 6th has disappointed me so I'm looking forward to seeing more.
Yeah I feel the same way. It's hard to judge I and II so much, since they were never really NEW to me; we had 251 Pokemon at the time I REALLY got into the series so I always knew them as just being there. The best things that came out of 4th are--ironically--the Pokemon that are mere evolutions of stuff from past gens. And a select few like... ... like.... Drapion? Wow, there really wasn't much. Never mind. I did think Abomasnow was a cool idea though. Since the region from Gen IV was so insufferably northern and cold at least they had Abomasnow as a good Ice-type.
Gen V, being the largest in terms of new Pokemon (156?) is very extreme, it has a lot of really good and really bad. Whether or not you like it honestly depends on
how far the stick is lodged up your ass whether you're more of an optimist or a pessimist and which Pokemon you choose to look at.
Quote from: Custom on May 12, 2013, 02:44:49 AM
i like them
dude i just don't see how, all the ones I mentioned aren't even remotely appealing. What do you like about them?
5th gen sucks my dick see losers like rob try to #defend5thgen
you know htey just stole the face for vanilla ice from the dragon quest slimes
YOU KNOW IT
Yeah and plusle/minun are not only recolors of each other, but basically just slightly altered Pichus. At least the Vannilite and its evolutions drew inspiration from something awesome like DRAGON QUEST. The design didn't rip off of other Pokemon. Know what I mean?
Also when mentioning bad Gen V pokemon, people only bring up Garbodor and Vannilite.
OH NO, 2 DUDS OUT OF 156? SHIVER ME TIMBERS
and Kayo, what does the poopty designs of Pokemon in Gen III have to do with "the point" of Gen III? I get Gen III. It's a tropical island. That doesn't stop the Pokemon designs from being uninspired for the most part. There are some good ones but for example name a cool new Electric type in Gen III. It sure as intercourse isn't Mancetric.
As for Mawile, its just not very appealing to me at all. Its cute I guess. The other Pokemon I mentioned are worse. You bringing up their "inspiration" doesn't change how their designs are man. Hariyama is still lame as intercourse and is a pretty crappy fighting type to boot. It's hard to be a bad fighting type, but Hariyama pulls it off.
I just want to point out that I like every generation of Pokemon and IV pisses me off the most because of its lack of fire types(seriously WHY), but come on. The introduction of Double Battles really intercourse ed Game Freak's game up in terms of design. all of that filler crap ruined Gen III overall.
i'm going to go through by gen and name every pokemon (bottom to top evos) in the pokedex of the designs i enjoy
then i can truly have a tr00 list of which gens i think have the best designs
Quote from: Custom on May 12, 2013, 01:45:45 PM
i'm going to go through by gen and name every pokemon (bottom to top evos) in the pokedex of the designs i enjoy
then i can truly have a tr00 list of which gens i think have the best designs
custom, only the tr00est of the tr00 should make the list
that means farfetched
Quote from: Zero on May 12, 2013, 01:41:37 PM
and Kayo, what does the poopty designs of Pokemon in Gen III have to do with "the point" of Gen III? I get Gen III. It's a tropical island. That doesn't stop the Pokemon designs from being uninspired for the most part. There are some good ones but for example name a cool new Electric type in Gen III. It sure as intercourse isn't Mancetric.
Wow, I was trying to be nice about it earlier but you obviously just didn't get Gen III at all. The Pokemon designs aren't uninspired, if anything they can be argued to be MORE inspired than other generations because their designs are so unique. Look at Pokemon like Mawile and Tropius again, and tell me they're uninspired. They're a hell of a lot more inspired than say, Rattata or Golbat or Slowpoke or half the Gen I and II Pokemon you love so much. Look at intercourse ing Masquerain, Kecleon, Relicanth, Cradily, Sharpedo, Castform, and even god darned Zigzagoon and tell me there's no "inspiration" behind them. Name a cool Electric type? Gen III was less kind to Electric-types than Gen IV was to Fire types (there were only four) so you're not giving me anything to work with. Pick a different argument, since your little "example" just conveniently doesn't work.
I could also say that the lack of Electric-types is another nod at the "new development" of the Hoenn region, because honestly that makes perfect sense now that I think about it. The only Electric-types in the game are found on that route between Slateport and Mauville or in the Safari Zone (Pikachu). And Chinchou but that's a primary Water-type that you wouldn't find on land anywhere anyway.
QuoteAs for Mawile, its just not very appealing to me at all. Its cute I guess. The other Pokemon I mentioned are worse. You bringing up their "inspiration" doesn't change how their designs are man. Hariyama is still lame as intercourse and is a pretty crappy fighting type to boot. It's hard to be a bad fighting type, but Hariyama pulls it off.
I just want to point out that I like every generation of Pokemon and IV pisses me off the most because of its lack of fire types(seriously WHY), but come on. The introduction of Double Battles really intercourse ed Game Freak's game up in terms of design. all of that filler crap ruined Gen III overall.
You have a lot of strong opinions about Hariyama but I could also argue Primeape. I never understood that wretched thing. By the way, I don't care how appealing or unappealing you think Mawile is, you can't really say it's not unique.
Quote from: Kayo on May 12, 2013, 02:10:42 PM
Wow, I was trying to be nice about it earlier but you obviously just didn't get Gen III at all. The Pokemon designs aren't uninspired, if anything they can be argued to be MORE inspired than other generations because their designs are so unique. Look at Pokemon like Mawile and Tropius again, and tell me they're uninspired. They're a hell of a lot more inspired than say, Rattata or Golbat or Slowpoke or half the Gen I and II Pokemon you love so much. Look at intercourse ing Masquerain, Kecleon, Relicanth, Cradily, Sharpedo, Castform, and even god darned Zigzagoon and tell me there's no "inspiration" behind them. Name a cool Electric type? Gen III was less kind to Electric-types than Gen IV was to Fire types (there were only four) so you're not giving me anything to work with. Pick a different argument, since your little "example" just conveniently doesn't work.
Was R/S/E your first Pokemon games or something? Comparing Rattata to Slowpoke? Really? Dude, that's where you lost your mojo. Slowpoke is hella unique. Rattata, not so much. Mentioning Relicanth? Dude, its a intercourse ing FISH. We have a million of those. It isn't much more unique than other fish Pokemon. Masquerain and Cradily are awesome(though Masquerain loses its previous form's water typing and becomes a poopty bug/flying type, so that hurts it), but Zigzagoon and Linoone? Let's be real here, Zig and Lin are basically Sentret and Furret V2. First form is a raccoon, second form is a weasel thing. Gen II already did that. Check and mate bro. As for Sharpedo, Sharpedo just looks ridiculous. It's literally just a shark head. I get that its supposed to be like the head of a submarine's torpedo, but come on. Again, I GET gen III, but that doesn't mean that the double battle crap didn't hurt the pokemon list overall. There is just no defending Plusle/Minun or Volbeat/Illuminise. Even baby Pokemon are a better idea than that.
And dude, just because you don't like me pointing out the lack of elec types in your precious Gen III, that doesn't make the argument 'not work'. You can't name many Elec types at all, and that was my point. I make the same argument against Gen IV with its lack of fire types. The same poop applies, only, at least you can name Infernape and Heatran. So Gen III is a little bit off balance on the same issue.
I could also say that the lack of Electric-types is another nod at the "new development" of the Hoenn region, because honestly that makes perfect sense now that I think about it. The only Electric-types in the game are found on that route between Slateport and Mauville or in the Safari Zone (Pikachu). And Chinchou but that's a primary Water-type that you wouldn't find on land anywhere anyway.
You have a lot of strong opinions about Hariyama but I could also argue Primeape. I never understood that wretched thing. By the way, I don't care how appealing or unappealing you think Mawile is, you can't really say it's not unique.
Okay first of all, how does the lack of electric types in Hoenn make perfect sense because Pikachu happens to be in the safari zone, Elektrike happens to be between Slateport and Mauville, and Chinchou is in the water zones? Do you realize how unbelievably and desperately convenient that sounds? Not just convenient, it really just doesn't make sense. Think about it. Your argument is basically "The lack of elec types makes sense because of the lack of elec types and the existing elec types specific placements happen to be right where they should be, near a electric based town, in the throwback safari zone, and hurr hurr chinchou is water/elec so its in the water, which is everywhere in hoenn". That's a really weak defense dude. I love gen IV to death, but there is just no defending its lack of Fire types. The same goes for Gen III and its lack of elec types..
As for primeape, don't you know what a Baboon is? Baboons are pretty vicious fighters and have a pig-like nose. That's where Primeape draws his inspiration from. He's the Pig Monkey Pokemon.
I never said Mawile's design wasn't unique, I just said it was cute but unappealing. And it is.
OK YOU DUMB NERDS
i actually did it
i listed 1-whatever for each gen of designs i even remotely liked
as long as i wasn't like "EW" i included it
THIS IS ALL SOLELY BASED OFF OF APPEARANCE I USE A LOT OF 5TH GEN POKE DUDES FOR THE MOVESETS AND STATS OK
here are the results
GEN 1:
124/151
82.12%
GEN 2:
71/100
71%
GEN 3:
123/135
91.11%
GEN 4:
61/107
57.01%
GEN 5:
55/156
36.26%
5th gen confirmed for poop designs
name the gen 5's you didnt like
Quote from: The Riddler on May 12, 2013, 02:58:38 PM
name the gen 5's you didnt like
i knew some aspie would ask me to list them all so i actually wrote them down
i didn't write down the ones i didn't like though because i'm a positive guy
(pro tip the ones not on this list are the ones i didn't like)
i have all the other gens written down as well if you want those
[spoiler]POKEDUDES I LIKE (by design only of course)
GEN 5
1. SNIVY
2. EMBOAR
3. PURRLOIN
4. PANSAGE
5. PANSEAR
6. BLITZLE
7. ROGGENROLA
8. GIGALITH
9. DRILBUR
10. EXCADRILL
11. AUDINO
12. SEWADDLE
13. SWADLOON
14.LEAVANNY
15. VENIPEDE
16. WHIRLIPEDE
17. SCOLIPEDE
18. WHIMSICOTT
19. PETILIL
20. LILLIGANT
21. MARACTUS
22. DWEBBLE
23. SCRAGGY
24. SCRAFTY
25. SIGILYPH
26. COFAGRIGUS
27. CARRACOSTA
28. ARCHEN
29. MINCCINO
30. CINCCINO
31. EMOLGA
32. FOONGUS
33. JOLTIK
34. GALVANTULA
35. KLINK
36. KLANG
37. KLINKLANG
38. TYNAMO
39. ELGYEM
40. LITWICK
41. LAMPENT
42. CHANDELURE
43. AXEW
44. FRAXURE
45. HAXORUS
46. CRYOGONAL
47. MIENSHAO
48. GOLURK
49. BISHARP
50. HEATMOR
51. DEINO
52. HYDREIGON
53. ZEKROM
54. KYUREM
55. GENESECT
55/156
36.26%
[/spoiler]
missing a lot of cool pokemon, and you like the abortion that is Audino? what. man, subjectivity sure is a strange beast
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yeah audino is cool in the same way the blissey and those dudes are cool
Quote from: Custom on May 12, 2013, 03:31:51 PM
yeah audino is cool in the same way the blissey and those dudes are cool
people only like blissey because it can tank special hits bro
Quote from: Zero on May 12, 2013, 03:33:38 PM
people only like blissey because it can tank special hits bro
eh i don't think so chancy is better for that anyway
Quote from: Custom on May 12, 2013, 02:49:04 PM
OK YOU DUMB NERDS
i actually did it
i listed 1-whatever for each gen of designs i even remotely liked
as long as i wasn't like "EW" i included it
THIS IS ALL SOLELY BASED OFF OF APPEARANCE I USE A LOT OF 5TH GEN POKE DUDES FOR THE MOVESETS AND STATS OK
here are the results
GEN 1:
124/151
82.12%
GEN 2:
71/100
71%
GEN 3:
123/135
91.11%
GEN 4:
61/107
57.01%
GEN 5:
55/156
36.26%
5th gen confirmed for poop designs
i did this awhile ago and those numbers look pretty acurate
Gen 5 Pokemon with good designs - disclaimer: a lot of their NAMES suck:
Snivy, Serperior
Tepig, Emboar
Dewott, Samurott
Patrat
Lillipup, Herdier, Stoutland
Purrloin, Liepard
Pansear - all of the other monkeys intercourse ing suck.
Pidove, Tranquill
Blitzle, Zebstrika
Swoobat
Drillbur, Excadrill
Audino - gives me a Chansey vibe and I dig it.
Sewaddle, Swadloon
Venepede, Scolepede, Whirlepede
Cottonee, Whimsicott - Gives me a Vileplume vibe and I dig it.
Basculine
Sandile, Krookodile, Krokorok
Darmanitan
Maractus
Dwebble, Crustle
Tirtouga, Carracosta
Archen
Zorua - NOT Zoroark.
Mincinno
Ducklett
Deerling, Sawsbuck
Emolga
Joltik, Galvantula
Litwik - intercourse you i like it
Axew, Fraxure
Cubchoo
Golurk
Bouffalant
Rufflet, Braviary
Mandibuzz
Durant
Deino, Hydreigon
Cobalion
Keldeo
Landorus beast form
Genesect
63
Quote from: The Riddler on May 12, 2013, 03:42:28 PM
63
40.38%
now do the other gens and see which ones you like the best
aight i'll do this too. We'll see if the numbers come out right.
If my numbers come out similar to yours Custom then I'll go and buy Persona 4 RIGHT THEN.
Quote from: Custom on May 12, 2013, 03:47:53 PM
40.38%
now do the other gens and see which ones you like the best
i can tell you straight up gen 1 is my favorite. of gen 5 though, i hated the legendaries and almost every name.
the designs weren't all horrible.
Gen 1:
131/151
86.5%
Gen 2:
82/100
82%
Gen 3:
87/135
64.44%
Gen 4:
82/107
76.6%
Gen 5:
112/156
71.8%
Gen 3 is poop
Gen 4 w/ good designs:
Torterra
Chimchar
Starly, Staraptor
Bidoof - intercourse you, for a beaver he gets the job done
Shinx, Luxio
Cranidos
Shieldon
Vespiquen
Pachirisu
Drifloon - but i don't like the concept
Buneary
Honchkrow
Stunky
Bonsly
Happiny
Chatot
Gible
Munchlax
Riolu
Hippopotas, Hippowdon
Finneon, Lumineon
Glaceon
Mamoswine
Probopa-just kidding I can't even
Dusknoir
Rotom - not his formes.
Heatran
Shaymin
31. Gen 4 intercourse ing sucked.
Gen 3 Pokemon that I consider poop tier:
Combusken
Marshtomp
Zigzagoon
Linoone
Wurmple
Silcoon
Cascoon
Dustox
Beautifly
Lotad
Lombre
Ludicolo
Shiftry
Nincada
Whismur
Loudred
Exploud
Hariyama
Nosepass
Delcatty
Meditite
Medicham
Electrike
Mancetric
Plusle
Minun
Volbeat
Illumise
Carvanha
Numel
Spinda
Swablu
Lunatone
Solrock
Barboach
Crawdaunt
Baltoy
Claydol
Armaldo
Feebas
Spheal
Sealeo
Huntail
Gorebyss
Relicanth
Luvdisc
Shelgon
Quote from: The Riddler on May 12, 2013, 04:04:39 PM
Gen 4 w/ good designs:
Torterra
Chimchar
Starly, Staraptor
Bidoof - intercourse you, for a beaver he gets the job done
Shinx, Luxio
Cranidos
Shieldon
Vespiquen
Pachirisu
Drifloon - but i don't like the concept
Buneary
Honchkrow
Stunky
Bonsly
Happiny
Chatot
Gible
Munchlax
Riolu
Hippopotas, Hippowdon
Finneon, Lumineon
Glaceon
Mamoswine
Probopa-just kidding I can't even
Dusknoir
Rotom - not his formes.
Heatran
Shaymin
31. Gen 4 intercourse ing sucked.
You lost me at bidoof and then lost me again at stunky
also what do you not like about the concept of drifloon it's like the intercourse ing coolest pokedude
Quote from: Custom on May 12, 2013, 04:11:28 PM
also what do you not like about the concept of drifloon it's like the intercourse ing coolest pokedude
qft
Gen 3:
Torchic, Combusken
Mudkip, Marshtomp
Poochyena
Zigzagoon
Beautifly, Dustox
Seedot
Taillow, Swellow
Wingull, Pelipper
Surskit
Slakoth, Vigoroth, Slaking
Nincada, Ninjask, Shedinja
Whismur
Azurill
Skitty, Delcatty
Mawile
Aron, Lairon, Aggron
Plusle, Minun - if you like Pikachu you have to like these guys.
Carvanha, Sharpedo
Wailmer, Wailord
Numel
Torkoal
Spoink
Vibrava, Flygon
Cacnea
Swablu, Altaria
Zangoose
Seviper
Whiscash
Corphish, Crawdaunt
Claydol
Anorith
Feebas, Milotic
Kecleon
Duskull
Tropius
Absol
Wynaut
Spheal, Sealeo, Walrein
Relicanth
Salamence
Metagross
Latios, Latias
Groudon
Jirachi
65/66/67, I might have miscounted. I think it's 66.
Note: I'm not talking about their abilities, their battle tier, their names, etc. I'm only writing of design.
Stunky gets the job done for a skunk. He is exactly how I would imagine a Skunk pokemon.
Drifloon is a balloon that drags away little kids. It's creepy. I always have a Drifblim in my party for the typing though
Quote from: The Riddler on May 12, 2013, 04:13:52 PM
Plusle, Minun - if you like Pikachu you have to like these guys.
No you don't.
it's 66
Quote from: The Riddler on May 12, 2013, 04:15:36 PM
Note: I'm not talking about their abilities, their battle tier, their names, etc. I'm only writing of design.
Stunky gets the job done for a skunk. He is exactly how I would imagine a Skunk pokemon.
Drifloon is a balloon that drags away little kids. It's creepy. I always have a Drifblim in my party for the typing though
yeah that thing about drifloon is intercourse ing cool what's not cool about that? do you even like the horror films or the big spooky scares?
Quote from: Zero on May 12, 2013, 04:16:29 PM
No you don't.
what about if you like pichu you have to like those dudes?
Quote from: Custom on May 12, 2013, 04:18:21 PM
what about if you like pichu you have to like those dudes?
Nah. that's just an excuse.
If you like Pachurisu you HAVE to like Emolga, right? Fuck that man that is such a cop out.
also here are my full lists since you guys are doing it
gen 1:
[spoiler]1. BULBASAUR
2. IVYSAUR
3. VENUSAUR
4. CHARMANDER
5. CHARMELEON
6. CHARIZARD
7. SQUIRTLE
8. WARTORTLE
9. BLASTOISE
10. CARTERPIE
11. METAPOD
12. BUTTERFREE
13. WEEDLE
14. KAKUNA
15. BEEDRILL
16. PIDGEY
17. PIDGEOTTO
18. PIDGEOT
19. RATTATA
20. RATICATE
21. SPEAROW
22. FEAROW
23. EKANS
24. ARBOK
25. PIKACHU
26. RAICHU
27. SANDSHREW
28. SANDSLASH
29. NIDORINA
30. NIDORINO
31. NIDOKING
32. CLEFAIRY
33. CLEFABLE
34. VULPIX
35. NINETALES
36. JIGGLYPUF
37. WIGGLYTUFF
38. ZUBAT
39. ODDISH
40. VILEPLUME
41. PARAS
42. PARASECT
43. VENONAT
44. DIGLETT
45. DUGTRIO
46. MEOWTH
47. PSYDUCK
48. GOLDUCK
49. MANKEY
50. PRIMEAPE
51. GROWLITHE
52. ARCANINE
53. POLIWAG
54. POLIWHIRL
55. ABRA
56. ALAKAZAM
57. MACHOP
58. BELLSPROUT
59. TENTACRUEL
60. GEODUDE
61. GOLEM
62. PONYTA
63. RAPIDASH
64. SLOWPOKE
65. SLOWBRO
66. MAGNEMITE
67. MAGNETON
68. DODUO
69. DODRIO
70. SEEL
71. DEWGONG
72. GRIMER
73. MUK
74. SHELLDER
75. CLOYSTER
76. GASTLY
77. HAUNTER
78. GENGAR
79. ONIX
80. DROWZEE
81. KRABBY
82. KINGLER
83. VOLTORB
84. ELECTRODE
85. CUBONE
86. MAROWAK
87. HITMONLEE
88. HITMONCHAN
89. LICKITUNG
90. KOFFING
91. WEEZING
92. RHYHORN
93. RHYDON
94. CHANSEY
95. TANGELA
96. KANGASKHAN
97. HORSEA
98. SEAKING
99. SCYTHER
100. ELECTABUZZ
101. PINSIR
102. TAUROS
103. MAGIKARP
104. GYARADOS
105. LAPRAS
106. DITTO
107. EEVEE
108. VAPOREON
109. JOLTEON
110. FLAREON
111. PORYGON
112. OMANYTE
113. KABUTO
114. KABUTOPS
115. AERODACTYL
116. SNORLAX
117. ARTICUNO
118. ZAPDOS
119. MOLTRES
120. DRATINI
121. DRAGONAIR
122. DRAGONITE
123. MEWTWO
124. MEW
124/151
82.12%
[/spoiler]
gen 2:
[spoiler]1. CHIKORITA
2. MEGANIUM
3. CYNDAQUIL
4. QUILAVA
5. TYPHLOSION
6. TOTODILE
7. FERALIGATR
8. SENTRET
9. FURRET
10. HOOTHOOT
11. NOCTOWL
12. LEDYBA
13. SPINARAK
14. CHINCHOU
15. PICHU
16. CLEFFA
17. IGGLYBUFF
18. TOGEPI
19. TOGETIC
20. XATU
21. AMPHAROS
22. BELLOSSOM
23. MARILL
24. AZUMARILL
25. SUDOWOODO
26. POLITOED
27. AIPOM
28. SUNKERN
29. SUNFLORA
30. YANMA
31. WOOPER
32. QUAGSIRE
33. ESPEON
34. UMBREON
35. MURKROW
36. SLOWKING
37. MISDREAVUS
38. UNOWN
39. WOBBUFFET
40. PINECO
41. FORRETRESS
42. DUNSPARCE
43. STEELIX
44. SCIZOR
45. SHUCKLE
46. HERACROSS
47. SNEASEL
48. TEDDIURSA
49. SWINUB
50. CORSOLA
51. DELIBIRD
52. MANTINE
53. SKARMORY
54. HOUNDOUR
55. HOUNDOOM
56. PHANPY
57. DONPHAN
58. SMEARGLE
59. HITMONTOP
60. ELEKID
61. BLISSEY
62. RAIKOU
63. ENTEI
64. SUICUNE
65. LARVITAR
66. PUPITAR
67. TYRANITAR
68. LUGIA
69. LUGIA
70. HO-OH
71. CELEBI
71/100
71%
[/spoiler]
gen 3:
[spoiler]1. TREECKO
2. GROVYLE
3. SCEPTILE
4. TORCHIC
5. BLAZIKEN
6. MUDKIP
7. MARSHTOMP
8. SWAMPERT
9. POOCHYENA
10. MIGHTYENA
11. ZIGZAGOON
12. LINOONE
13. WURMPLE
14. SILCOON
15. BEAUTIFLY
16. CASCOON
17. DUSTOX
18. LOTAD
19. LOMBRE
20. LUDICOLO
21. SEEDOT
22. NUZLEAF
23. SHIFTY
24. TAILLOW
25. SWELLOW
26. WINGULL
27. RALTS
28. KIRILA
29. GARDEVOUIR
30. SURSKIT
31. MASQUERAIN
32. SHROOMISH
33. BRELOOM
34. SLAKOTH
35. SLAKING
36. NINCADA
37. NINJASK
38. SHEDINJA
39. WHISMUR
40. MAKUHITA
41. HARIYAMA
42. AZURILL
43. SKITTY
44. DELCATTY
45. SABLEYE
46. MAWILE
47. ARON
48. LAIRON
49. AGGRON
50. MEDITITE
51. MEDICHAM
52. PLUSLE
53. MINUN
54. VOLBEAT
55. ROSELIA
56. GULPIN
57. SWALOT
58. CARVANHA
59. SHARPEDO
60. WAILMER
61. WAILORD
62. NUMEL
63. CAMERUPT
64. TRKOAL
65. SPOINK
66. SPINDA
67. TRAPINCH
68. VIBRAVA
69. FLYGON
70. CACNEA
71. SWABLU
72. ALTARIA
73. ZANGOOSE
74. SEVIPER
75. LUNATONE
76. SOLROCK
77. BARBOACH
78. WISCASH
79. CORPHISH
80. CRAWDAUNT
81. BALTOY
82. CLAYDOL
83. LILEEP
84. CRADILY
85. ANORITH
86. ARMALDO
87. FEEBAS
88. MILOTIC
89. CASTFORM
90. KECLEON
91. SHUPPET
92. BANETTE
93. DUSKULL
94. DUSCLOPS
95. TROPIUS
96. CHIMECHO
97. ABSOL
98. WHYNAUT
99. SNORUNT
100. GLALIE
101. SPHEAL
102. SEALEO
103. WALREIN
104. CLAMPERL
105. HUNTAIL
106. GOREBYSS
107. RELICANTH
108. LUVDISC
109. BRAGON
110. SHELGON
111. SALAMENCE
112. BELDUM
113. METANG
114. METAGROSS
115. REGIROCK
116. REGICE
117. REGISTEEL
118. LATIAS
119. LATIOS
120. KYOGRE
121. GROUDON
122. RAYQUAZA
123. JIRACHI
123/135
91.11%
[/spoiler]
gen 4:
[spoiler]
1. TURTWIG
2. GROTLE
3. TORTERRA
4. MONFERNO
5. INFERNAPE
6. PIPLUP
7. STARLY
8. STARAPTOR
9. KRICKETUNE
10. SHINX
11. LUXIO
12. LUXRAY
13. BUDEW
14. ROSERADE
15. CRANIDOS
16. RAMPARDOS
17. PACHIRISU
18. BUIZEL
19. CHERUBI
20. SHELLOS
21. GASTRODON
22. DRIFLOON
23. DRIFBLIM
24. MISMAGIUS
25. GLAMEOW
26. CHINGLING
27. BONSLY
28. MIME JR.
29. GARCHOMP
30. MUNCHLAX
31. HIPPOWDON
32. SKORUPI
33. CROAGUNK
34. CARNIVINE
35. FINNEON
36. LUMINEON
37. MANTYKE
38. SNOVER
39. ABOMASNOW
40. WEAVILE
41. RHYPERIOR
42. ELECTIVIRE
43. MAGMORTAR
44. TOGEKISS
45. YANMEGA
46. LEAFEON
47. GLACEON
48. GLISCOR
49. PORYGON-Z
50. GALLADE
51. DUSKNOIR
52. FROSLASS
53. UXIE
54. MESPRIT
55. AZELF
56. dialga
57. HEATRAN
58. REGIGIGAS
59. GIRATINA
60. PHIONE
61. DARKRAI
61/107
57.01%
[/spoiler]
gen 5:
[spoiler]1. SNIVY
2. EMBOAR
3. PURRLOIN
4. PANSAGE
5. PANSEAR
6. BLITZLE
7. ROGGENROLA
8. GIGALITH
9. DRILBUR
10. EXCADRILL
11. AUDINO
12. SEWADDLE
13. SWADLOON
14.LEAVANNY
15. VENIPEDE
16. WHIRLIPEDE
17. SCOLIPEDE
18. WHIMSICOTT
19. PETILIL
20. LILLIGANT
21. MARACTUS
22. DWEBBLE
23. SCRAGGY
24. SCRAFTY
25. SIGILYPH
26. COFAGRIGUS
27. CARRACOSTA
28. ARCHEN
29. MINCCINO
30. CINCCINO
31. EMOLGA
32. FOONGUS
33. JOLTIK
34. GALVANTULA
35. KLINK
36. KLANG
37. KLINKLANG
38. TYNAMO
39. ELGYEM
40. LITWICK
41. LAMPENT
42. CHANDELURE
43. AXEW
44. FRAXURE
45. HAXORUS
46. CRYOGONAL
47. MIENSHAO
48. GOLURK
49. BISHARP
50. HEATMOR
51. DEINO
52. HYDREIGON
53. ZEKROM
54. KYUREM
55. GENESECT
55/156
36.26%
[/spoiler]
Quote from: Zero on May 12, 2013, 04:19:22 PM
Nah. that's just an excuse.
If you like Pachurisu you HAVE to like Emolga, right? Fuck that man that is such a cop out.
i like both those guys yeah
i think imight have missed pachurisu on my list
Gen 2:
Chikorita, Bayleef, Meganium
Cyndaquil, Quilava
Totodile - my favorite Gen 2 Pokemon, period.
Sentret, Furret
Hoothoot, Noctowl
Ledyba
Spinarak, Ariados
Lanturn
Pichu
Cleffa
Togepi
Mareep, Flaaffy
Bellossom
Marill
Politoed
Aipom
Sunflora
Espeon, Umbreon
Murkrow
Misdreavus
Girafarig
Pineco
Gligar
Steelix
Snubbull
Scizor
Shuckle
Heracross
Teddiursa, Ursaring
Slugma, Magcargo
Octillery
Delibird
Mantine
Houndoor, Houndoom
Phanpy, Donphan
Stantler
Smeargle
Elekid
Miltank
Raikou, Entei, Suicune
Lugia, Ho-Oh
Celebi
57
I hate that Emolga isn't an evolution of Pachirisu. That Bouffalant isn't an evolution of Tauros, and that Alomomola isn't Luvdisc pt 2
Quote from: The Riddler on May 12, 2013, 04:32:25 PM
I hate that Emolga isn't an evolution of Pachirisu. That Bouffalant isn't an evolution of Tauros, and that Alomomola isn't Luvdisc pt 2
please use spoiler tags and post percentages stop making the thread look too cluttered please
Gen 1:
Everything but:
Metapod
Magnemite, Magneton
Grimer, Muk
146.
Gen 1: 146
Gen 2: 57
Gen 3: 66
Gen 4: 31
Gen 5: 63
darn I have high standards
Quote from: The Riddler on May 12, 2013, 04:35:25 PM
Gen 1: 146
Gen 2: 57
Gen 3: 66
Gen 4: 31
Gen 5: 63
why do you even still play these games
idk I don't HATE the other designs. my list are just the best designs, i guess.
there are some i really do hate though
Quote from: The Riddler on May 12, 2013, 04:35:25 PM
Gen 1: 146 = 96. 7%
Gen 2: 57 = 57%
Gen 3: 66 = 48.9%
Gen 4: 31 = 29%
Gen 5: 63 = 40.4%
darn I have high standards
my god these lists
Zero I hate the way you deal with quotes.
QuoteWas R/S/E your first Pokemon games or something? Comparing Rattata to Slowpoke? Really? Dude, that's where you lost your mojo. Slowpoke is hella unique. Rattata, not so much. Mentioning Relicanth? Dude, its a intercourse ing FISH. We have a million of those. It isn't much more unique than other fish Pokemon. Masquerain and Cradily are awesome(though Masquerain loses its previous form's water typing and becomes a poopty bug/flying type, so that hurts it), but Zigzagoon and Linoone? Let's be real here, Zig and Lin are basically Sentret and Furret V2. First form is a raccoon, second form is a weasel thing. Gen II already did that. Check and mate bro. As for Sharpedo, Sharpedo just looks ridiculous. It's literally just a shark head. I get that its supposed to be like the head of a submarine's torpedo, but come on. Again, I GET gen III, but that doesn't mean that the double battle crap didn't hurt the pokemon list overall. There is just no defending Plusle/Minun or Volbeat/Illuminise. Even baby Pokemon are a better idea than that.
I can say with definite confidence that if Slowpoke was released in Gen V with its name and design, people would hate it. Relicanth is a bit more than a fish, it's a intercourse ing living fossil, a deep-sea fish that hasn't changed a bit in millions of years. Something that's been the same since prehistory (this happens so rarely in nature) and its link to opening the Regi tombs which were sealed thousands of years ago adds to the prehistoric qualities of it. I think it's a cool Pokemon. Look at Rattata, it's a freaking rat. At least with Zigzagoon they played the whole zigzagging theme, reflected in its name, behavior, appearance, and even its footprint. It was actually a comparatively unique twist on the generic Normal type that we only saw in Gen III and V (though I personally hate Patrat and Watchog).
QuoteAnd dude, just because you don't like me pointing out the lack of elec types in your precious Gen III, that doesn't make the argument 'not work'. You can't name many Elec types at all, and that was my point. I make the same argument against Gen IV with its lack of fire types. The same poop applies, only, at least you can name Infernape and Heatran. So Gen III is a little bit off balance on the same issue.
Then say that Gen III needed more electric types instead of complaining that the ones it had were bad. That's the more important argument, I'd think. Because if they had released say, another 5, they might have been better than Plusle and Minun.
QuoteOkay first of all, how does the lack of electric types in Hoenn make perfect sense because Pikachu happens to be in the safari zone, Elektrike happens to be between Slateport and Mauville, and Chinchou is in the water zones? Do you realize how unbelievably and desperately convenient that sounds? Not just convenient, it really just doesn't make sense. Think about it. Your argument is basically "The lack of elec types makes sense because of the lack of elec types and the existing elec types specific placements happen to be right where they should be, near a electric based town, in the throwback safari zone, and hurr hurr chinchou is water/elec so its in the water, which is everywhere in hoenn". That's a really weak defense dude. I love gen IV to death, but there is just no defending its lack of Fire types. The same goes for Gen III and its lack of elec types..
Uh, no. The reason Gen IV had little to no fire types was because it was in a geographically colder, more northern region. That's why the top half of the intercourse ing continent was covered with snow at all times, and in Platinum the protagonists wear thick clothing with scarves and there's snow even on the ground in your hometown.
If you look at other games, Electric types are found in the wild across the region in comparatively unfitting places. Pikachu in Viridian forest, Shinx and Blitzle in the early routes of their respective games, stuff like that. In Gen III there's no distribution. The electric types in the game: Plusle, Minun, Electrike, Voltorb, and Magnemite are concentrated between those two towns and are found nowhere else on the entire continent. Only in Hoenn are all the new electric types confined solely to the industrial center of the region. Also, on Pikachu, this isn't the only time that Pikachu is thrown into a slightly obscure place for the sake of it being included in the games (being the mascot and all.) If you remember, in Gen IV, the only place to find one was in that rich guy's backyard. I'm pretty sure their intention is to make it available, but not as a wild Pokemon you'll ever encounter through normal gameplay if you're not doing any side things at all. I excluded Chinchou from the count because it's not a land-dwelling Pokemon, so it wouldn't make logical sense for it to be in New Mauville or something. Here's what I don't get though. What I'm saying is agreeing with you, that there were basically no electric types in Hoenn, yet you're getting all defensive. I really don't know what you're trying to argue.
tl;dr Hoenn lacked Electric types in the same exact god darned intercourse ing way that Sinnoh lacked Fire types.
EDIT: Zero honestly don't even bother replying to this I mean it'll get lost under two pages of unrelated stuff and you and I both know we agree on this more or less so there's no actual point.
Quote from: The Riddler on May 12, 2013, 03:41:53 PM
Gen 5 Pokemon with good designs - disclaimer: a lot of their NAMES suck:
I find it laughable whenever people name fun of Gen V's names when they're the closest to Gen I naming conventions since Gen I itself. Think about it. In Gen I, a lot of evolutionary lines shared either the first or second half of their names (Charmander, -meleon, -izard; Bulba-, Ivy-, Venusaur, etc.) whereas in say, Gen III and IV, that similarity thing was extremely, extremely rare. It's back in Gen V with examples like Palpi- and Seismitoad, Eelektrik and -tross, and Vanillite, -ish, and -uxe. I personally like the return to that naming style.
And then Gen I had names like Slowpoke, Seel, Haunter, and Muk, and while they hold nostalgic significance now, when new Pokemon are released with equally simple names people get their panties in a knot. (Throh and Sawk we see as awful names but they're really not too far from Gen I naming styles)
Quote from: The Riddler on May 12, 2013, 04:35:25 PM
Gen 1: 146
Gen 2: 57
Gen 3: 66
Gen 4: 31
Gen 5: 63
darn I have high standards
Nostalgia-colored-glasses detected.
Oh, and by high standards you pretty much mean "If it's Gen I it's awesome. If it's not from Gen I, then more likely than not it sucks."
Why do you even still play Pokemon if it'll never be Gen I again
It must make you miserable.
i like slowpoke
I still enjoy the gameplay and like I said I don't hate the other ones, they're just not great designs.
Like I don't mind Trubbish and Garbodor like everyone else does.
Quote from: The Riddler on May 12, 2013, 05:14:07 PM
I still enjoy the gameplay and like I said I don't hate the other ones, they're just not great designs.
Like I don't mind Trubbish and Garbodor like everyone else does.
You're obviously a closet genwunner you can stop denying it. Apparently Pokemon will never live up to your expectations.
the goat's p cool
gen 6 > gen 4 > gen 5
intercourse w/ me
I'm waiting for more 6 to make my full judgement. But it's definitely 5>4 for me. The ones in four I mostly like are the evolutions of oldies anyway, give or take a few Sinnoh guys.
I decided to do this thing. I can tolerate a lot more than you guys can, apparently.
Gen I -> 151/151. 100% I can bring myself to outright hate anything in this gen. Probably because of nostalgia glasses but that's just how it is.
Gen II -> 97/100. 97%
Gen III -> 130/135. 96.3%
Gen IV -> 100/107. 93.5%
Gen V -> 144/ 156. 92.3% This gen was weird for me because the Pokemon I hated I REALLY hated and the Pokemon I loved I REALLY loved.
Gen VI so far is a 100% for me.
I can go ahead and make a list of what I dislike if you guys want.
The geographic location of Sinnoh is just an excuse, Kayo. The bottom line is that there is a restriction placed on the player that didn't need to be placed there. Same goes for Gen III.
Anyway, enough of that.
Mona hates Conkeldurr
Quote from: Zero on May 12, 2013, 07:55:15 PM
The geographic location of Sinnoh is just an excuse, Kayo. The bottom line is that there is a restriction placed on the player that didn't need to be placed there. Same goes for Gen III.
Oh come on, you don't mean to say that the fact that only one fire type was available during the playthrough of D/P was just an accident? And an older-gen Fire type at that? I'm trying to give GF a lot of credit by saying that it's due to the location of Sinnoh instead of just developers being stupid. Doesn't excuse it, but at least it's a reason. (And if you think that Sinnoh ISN'T colder than all the other regions by design there's something seriously wrong with you)
You give Game Freak too much credit Kayo. They at one time had some of the most incompetent programmers in the history of professional game development.
Quote from: Zero on May 12, 2013, 08:36:17 PM
You give Game Freak too much credit Kayo. They at one time had some of the most incompetent programmers in the history of professional game development.
this isnt a programming issue
Quote from: Zero on May 12, 2013, 08:36:17 PM
You give Game Freak too much credit Kayo. They at one time had some of the most incompetent programmers in the history of professional game development.
I think we're talking about developers though.
Quote from: zephilicious on May 12, 2013, 08:38:51 PM
this isnt a programming issue
It doesn't matter. Unprofessional conduct leaks out into other aspects of Game Freak. The programming side is just the worst of it.
Quote from: Kayo on May 12, 2013, 08:43:10 PM
I think we're talking about developers though.
Programmers are developers bro. In any case, you still give them far too much credit.
The "location" of Sinnoh is just a cop-out.
Quote from: Zero on May 13, 2013, 12:51:13 PM
It doesn't matter. Unprofessional conduct leaks out into other aspects of Game Freak. The programming side is just the worst of it.
Programmers are developers bro. In any case, you still give them far too much credit.
The "location" of Sinnoh is just a cop-out.
I'm not sure how many times I have to say this.
It doesn't excuse it by any means, but it was likely their reasoning. Because, it wasn't at all a question of thinking up new designs for Fire-types, because they could have put more than ONE old-gen fire in there. But they didn't. So someone had the "brilliant" idea of saying "Well, the region is up north and colder so fire types wouldn't live there anyway"
And then GF released the worst of the five Pokemon generations to date.
At least we all agree Gen IV sucked
New, large scan of the CoroCoro article showcasing the new Pokemon. Spoilered for sheer size.
[spoiler](http://i.imgur.com/wHrbtxW.jpg)[/spoiler]
I couldn't even see the leaf in the panda's mouth before. So cute. Also, I have to admit that the bird looks much better to me now after seeing it larger. Elikiteru still kind of looks like a reptilian Mawile without its signature jawhorns.
Quote from: Kayo on May 13, 2013, 03:12:08 PM
I'm not sure how many times I have to say this.
It doesn't excuse it by any means, but it was likely their reasoning. Because, it wasn't at all a question of thinking up new designs for Fire-types, because they could have put more than ONE old-gen fire in there. But they didn't. So someone had the "brilliant" idea of saying "Well, the region is up north and colder so fire types wouldn't live there anyway"
And then GF released the worst of the five Pokemon generations to date.
That is an AWFUL lot of conjecture Kayo.
It's not a leaf, it's his tongue. He's the naughty Pokemon, he's sticking his tongue out at you.
Quote from: The Riddler on May 13, 2013, 04:36:54 PM
It's not a leaf, it's his tongue. He's the naughty Pokemon, he's sticking his tongue out at you.
Idk, looks more like a leaf. Like how thugs chew on those grass straws or weeds or whatever.
Quote from: Sirwaddy on May 13, 2013, 03:13:07 PM
At least we all agree Gen IV sucked
Platinum is great. It just shouldn't take the second try to be great.
Quote from: Zero on May 13, 2013, 06:05:10 PM
Platinum is great. It just shouldn't take the second try to be great.
I mean the pokemon. I liked platinum a lot
Quote from: Zero on May 13, 2013, 03:39:21 PM
That is an AWFUL lot of conjecture Kayo.
I'm pretty sure I put the word "likely" in there instead of "definitely" if you read it.
Quote from: Sirwaddy on May 13, 2013, 05:45:56 PM
Idk, looks more like a leaf. Like how thugs chew on those grass straws or weeds or whatever.
As soon as I noticed it I thought of Treecko, how it always had a twig in its mouth in the anime and stuff like that.
Quote from: Zero on May 13, 2013, 06:05:10 PM
Platinum is great. It just shouldn't take the second try to be great.
Every other gen was better in the first pair of games to come out. But HGSS is what
really saved Gen IV, I think. If we're speaking on a broader basis than just the new main series games that come out at the beginning of each generation.
When I said "Gen IV sucks" I meant the fourth generation of Pokemon, not the games. We've been talking about the pokemon the whole time with those lists and everything idk how people thought I meant the games
Quote from: Kayo on May 13, 2013, 07:31:02 PM
I'm pretty sure I put the word "likely" in there instead of "definitely" if you read it.
Do you even know what conjecture is?
Using the word "likely" doesn't mean you aren't throwing it around.
Quote from: Zero on May 13, 2013, 08:02:46 PM
Do you even know what conjecture is?
Using the word "likely" doesn't mean you aren't throwing it around.
Considering this thread as a whole is basically about speculation I don't honestly see what issue you have
Quote from: Kayo on May 13, 2013, 03:12:08 PM
I'm not sure how many times I have to say this.
It doesn't excuse it by any means, but it was likely their reasoning. Because, it wasn't at all a question of thinking up new designs for Fire-types, because they could have put more than ONE old-gen fire in there. But they didn't. So someone had the "brilliant" idea of saying "Well, the region is up north and colder so fire types wouldn't live there anyway"
And then GF released the worst of the five Pokemon generations to date.
5th gen bottom tier for life
Quote from: Kayo on May 13, 2013, 08:12:01 PM
Considering this thread as a whole is basically about speculation I don't honestly see what issue you have
I criticized Gen III and you became noticeably irritated. You then grabbed at straws trying to defend one of the strongest criticisms that I made: the lack of elec types. Along came sinnoh and the lack of fire types. You made a similar excuse for game freak there too.
Its not so much an issue as it is something to talk about, though, so there isn't any need for you to get your panties in a bunch(Yes, we all notice that as you become more irritated you put on a pompous facade, chillax I'm not out to eat you, we're talking Pogaymon here).
Quote from: Zero on May 13, 2013, 08:53:18 PM
I criticized Gen III and you became noticeably irritated. You then grabbed at straws trying to defend one of the strongest criticisms that I made: the lack of elec types. Along came sinnoh and the lack of fire types. You made a similar excuse for game freak there too.
Its not so much an issue as it is something to talk about, though, so there isn't any need for you to get your panties in a bunch(Yes, we all notice that as you become more irritated you put on a pompous facade, chillax I'm not out to eat you, we're talking Pogaymon here).
Maybe if your criticism wasn't so weakly supported. You're arguing that the Pokemon designs of Gen III are uninspired when they're almost unarguably the most unique out of any generation. If you don't like them, that's probably because they're REALLY out-there at times, which is kind of the opposite of being "uninspired". I'm not saying that you have to like them, but if you don't like Hoenn Pokemon, like them for something they are instead of something they're not.
The reason people hate Gen III is because, as I think you ironically said, people are resistant to change. Gens I and II were incredibly similar, there's really no debate there. That's why Gen II is seen as an "extension"of Gen I or, more officially, a sequel to the Gen I games. The Pokemon were similar in style and level of design, the regions were adjacent and connected, the graphics were pretty much the same besides the addition of color; everything that really keeps I and II linked together. Gen III came and kind of shattered everything. It WAS radically different from the first two; a pretty big step. The Pokemon designs, yeah, got really different. That's why a lot of people rejected them. It was a step they weren't willing to make. To put it simply, the reason people didn't like Gen III is because it wasn't like I and II.
And stop saying I made excuses for GameFreak because I LITERALLY said the exact opposite at least two or three times. Please actually read my posts, thanks. That and your little "pompous facade" remark, and you say I'M grasping at straws for an argument.
Actually kayo i'm pretty sure this is the reason people hate Gen III
(http://1-media-cdn.foolz.us/ffuuka/board/vp/image/1363/80/1363800691449.png)
That's kind of interesting considering Tentacool is a Gen I pokemon. In all seriousness I think people would have hated it more if they made a new Tentacool replacement in R/S.
But the amount of water was not the main reason people didn't like it, it was really more the transition between II and III... are you saying that wasn't a severe jump? Also, might I add that there were an equal amount of people complaining about D/P only having a single water route, so...
Personally I didn't mind the water in Hoenn one bit. In fact that was one of my favorite things about the region. I mean, you have a big square of water on the right side of the map but much of it is completely optional in all. When you narrow it down there's really only three or four water routes that the storyline takes you through (The one between Lilycove and Mossdeep, the long vertical one with the Seafloor Cavern, the one that Sootopolis sits in, and the one leading up to Ever Grande) which is pretty much what Gen I had (though I'll admit that there was an option to avoid most of the water if you bypassed Seafoam Islands by going to Cinnabar from Pallet Town). I myself liked the idea of an open ocean because it was something to explore, with a bunch of extra trainers and items on obscure out-of-the-way islands, you're always finding something new.
anyway here is my actual reply
Quote from: Kayo on May 13, 2013, 09:31:44 PM
Maybe if your criticism wasn't so weakly supported. You're arguing that the Pokemon designs of Gen III are uninspired when they're almost unarguably the most unique out of any generation. If you don't like them, that's probably because they're REALLY out-there at times, which is kind of the opposite of being "uninspired".
How is my criticism weakly supported? I'm not talking about my general distaste for Gen III here. I'm talking the lack of elec types, which is a very real problem. We're not on the same page anymore. At any rate, just because something is "really out there", that does not mean it is immediately "inspired". There are definitely some ones that are awesome, but there are a lot of duds that drag down the list, like I mentioned. The double battle gimmick pokemon are the main ones that drag down the list, Kayo. I either implied it earlier, or outright stated it. Either way, you can't deny that double battle Pokemon suck and look meh to boot(P+M are cute, but rehashed).
Quote from: Kayo on May 13, 2013, 09:31:44 PM
I'm not saying that you have to like them, but if you don't like Hoenn Pokemon, like them for something they are instead of something they're not.
This is what I was talking about man, you seem to be upset that I'd even dare to criticize Gen III. I'm not liking or disliking any Pokemon for something they're not. I'm not sure where you'd even get that man. If it makes you happy, again, its the double battle pokes that drag it down. Clamperl's evolved forms aren't exactly awesome Pokemon. Neither is Luvdisc. Wouldn't you agree?
Quote from: Kayo on May 13, 2013, 09:31:44 PM
The reason people hate Gen III is because, as I think you ironically said, people are resistant to change. Gens I and II were incredibly similar, there's really no debate there. That's why Gen II is seen as an "extension"of Gen I or, more officially, a sequel to the Gen I games. The Pokemon were similar in style and level of design, the regions were adjacent and connected, the graphics were pretty much the same besides the addition of color; everything that really keeps I and II linked together. Gen III came and kind of shattered everything. It WAS radically different from the first two; a pretty big step. The Pokemon designs, yeah, got really different. That's why a lot of people rejected them. It was a step they weren't willing to make. To put it simply, the reason people didn't like Gen III is because it wasn't like I and II.
Eh, its time to put a couple things to rest so you stop lumping me in with people resistant to change. One of my favorite Poison Pokemon is Swalot. He's probably in my top 30 favorite Pokemon too. Torkoal is my nigga and I think he needs an evolution or a buff of some kind. Seedot is adorable. Breloom is practically my favorite grass type. Absol is a guilty favorite of mine. I already mentioned how much I liked the Duskull family. Trapinch family is sweet. And the starters are pretty appealing with the exception of Combusken and Marshtomp. For every awesome Poke in gen III there seems to be a Shiftry or Luvdisc though.
Quote from: Kayo on May 13, 2013, 09:31:44 PM
And stop saying I made excuses for GameFreak because I LITERALLY said the exact opposite at least two or three times. Please actually read my posts, thanks. That and your little "pompous facade" remark, and you say I'M grasping at straws for an argument.
You said the exact opposite of an excuse? I'm talking about your conjecture in regard to the reasons why Game Freak left out Fire in Sinnoh and Elec in Hoenn. Using conjecture as a base for a defense as to why someone did something is yes, what I would consider to be an "excuse". As for the remark I made, its just an observation man. As you become more irritated and more involved in a discussion, you get increasingly hostile and arrogant. Chill out. We all like Pokemon here.
so the bird's kinda cool
Quote from: Kayo on May 13, 2013, 09:47:17 PM
That's kind of interesting considering Tentacool is a Gen I pokemon. In all seriousness I think people would have hated it more if they made a new Tentacool replacement in R/S.
Yeah but the point is that you run into it everywhere and its annoying. It's just a joke.
Quote from: Kayo on May 13, 2013, 09:47:17 PM
But the amount of water was not the main reason people didn't like it, it was really more the transition between II and III... are you saying that wasn't a severe jump? Also, might I add that there were an equal amount of people complaining about D/P only having a single water route, so...
Dude I don't know how old you are or how long you've been on the internet but Ruby and Sapphire is INFAMOUS for its water and trumpet based soundtrack. I was in 6th grade when it was released, and the most discussed topic for weeks was how much you had to surf in Ruby and Sapphire and how Tentacool was the new Zubat. This has continued on until this very day.
As for D/P, is that so? I'm not sure that that is something to complain about considering how SLOW you surf in that game. The surfing speed was one of the main complaints if I remember correctly.
Quote from: Kayo on May 13, 2013, 09:47:17 PM
Personally I didn't mind the water in Hoenn one bit. In fact that was one of my favorite things about the region. I mean, you have a big square of water on the right side of the map but much of it is completely optional in all. When you narrow it down there's really only three or four water routes that the storyline takes you through (The one between Lilycove and Mossdeep, the long vertical one with the Seafloor Cavern, the one that Sootopolis sits in, and the one leading up to Ever Grande) which is pretty much what Gen I had (though I'll admit that there was an option to avoid most of the water if you bypassed Seafoam Islands by going to Cinnabar from Pallet Town). I myself liked the idea of an open ocean because it was something to explore, with a bunch of extra trainers and items on obscure out-of-the-way islands, you're always finding something new.
Yeah I didn't mind the water as much as other people. Some variety in wild water pokemon would have made it better though.
Quote from: Zero on May 13, 2013, 09:35:46 PM
Actually kayo i'm pretty sure this is the reason people hate Gen III
(http://1-media-cdn.foolz.us/ffuuka/board/vp/image/1363/80/1363800691449.png)
all of htis looks good
Quote from: Zero on May 13, 2013, 09:57:49 PM
anyway here is my actual reply
How is my criticism weakly supported? I'm not talking about my general distaste for Gen III here. I'm talking the lack of elec types, which is a very real problem. We're not on the same page anymore. At any rate, just because something is "really out there", that does not mean it is immediately "inspired". There are definitely some ones that are awesome, but there are a lot of duds that drag down the list, like I mentioned. The double battle gimmick pokemon are the main ones that drag down the list, Kayo. I either implied it earlier, or outright stated it. Either way, you can't deny that double battle Pokemon suck and look meh to boot(P+M are cute, but rehashed).
Your original argument was that the Pokemon of Gen III in general were "uninspired" which they're not. I'll keep saying this until it gets through your head, you don't HAVE to like them, but "uninspired" is a term that doesn't fit them. I'm not denying that Plusle and Minun hurt it, but come ON. Those are two intercourse ing Pokemon. Every generation has "duds" that "drag down the list," even your precious Gen I. The personal nostalgia that you may feel toward Gen I--which may make you think it's necessary to love each and every one of the original 151 Pokemon--doesn't change that fact.
QuoteThis is what I was talking about man, you seem to be upset that I'd even dare to criticize Gen III. I'm not liking or disliking any Pokemon for something they're not. I'm not sure where you'd even get that man. If it makes you happy, again, its the double battle pokes that drag it down. Clamperl's evolved forms aren't exactly awesome Pokemon. Neither is Luvdisc. Wouldn't you agree?
See above. To add on the Clamperl thing, it was a gimmick to show off the trade-with-items feature they introduced and used pretty heavily in the previous gen, introducing a Pokemon that has a branched evolution based on what item it holds. Personally I like the concept behind Clamperl and its evolutions even though I'm not crazy about the designs themselves. The gimmicks are generally hit-and-miss; Gen III did a LOT of gimmicky stuff, which definitely made it unique, but no one loves them ALL. (I think Castform is my personal favorite). Actually, I'll make a little list of all the new things that were added in Gen III that can be seen as gimmicky--or could at the time, since some of them may or may not have been repeated since. Also, let me add that a LOT of these are based on abilities that were unique to single Pokemon at the time. One of Gen III's biggest introductions was abilities, and Game Freak didn't hesitate to get super creative with them. Not only did it do cute things like remove Koffing's Ground weakness, it proved that abilities can COMPLETELY change Pokemon.
[spoiler]
Wurmple and its seemingly random branched evolution
Slaking: pokemon with ridiculous power but can only attack every other turn
Shedinja: An animated bug shell that comes to life after being discarded upon evolution. An incredibly flimsy Pokemon used mostly as a cute little gimmick to have fun with, it's INCREDIBLY unique since you play a completely different game when you use one. I personally love it.
Sableye: The first Pokemon with no weaknesses. Was gimmicky at the time, now we've had one in each gen since.
Plusle and Minun: They're stronger when used together in double battles
Volbeat and Illumise: The first and so far only example of true gender counterparts that are unrelated by evolution...if you don't count the Nidoran families whose breeding mechanics are insanely messed up which kind of makes it hard to do that.
Carvahna and Sharpedo: Doesn't seen like it from here, but I remember well the strange concept of a Pokemon hurting me every time I touched it. And since there were the ONLY Pokemon that did that until Gen V, it was definitely unique.
Wailord: It's not a gimmick, but I'm only including it because I like how the region with an expansive open ocean brought about the most absurdly enormous Pokemon to date.
Spinda: Look at one Spinda. Then at another. Then back at the first. Yeah.
Zangoose and Seviper: Not a real gimmick, but the whole "mortal enemy" thing and the version exclusiveness kind of made me think that, depending on which game you were playing, one species had successfully driven the other out of its habitat (which was only one location). It's a really interesting concept that they ruined in Black and White by making them both available in the same area regardless of game.
Feebas: The hardest Pokemon to locate. It was only available on six tiles of the entire river in one of the longest routes in Pokemon history.
Milotic: Separating it from Feebas because of its ridiculous evolution method. Kind of a literal "ugly duckling" story.
Castform: Yep.
Kecleon: Ayup.
Chimecho: Possibly the only time you'll ever play through an entire Pokemon game and not even know of the darn thing's existence. It couldn't function in battle, it was really only a trophy you got for spending an unnecessary amount of time in a place that you didn't even know had tall grass in it.
Clamperl: See above.
Luvdisc: While I wouldn't say it myself, many consider it a gimmick since it's more useless in battle than Chimecho, and its
primary one and only function is to hunt for Heart Scales. And I think the concept of wild Pokemon holding items was introduced in Gen III, but I could be wrong.
[/spoiler]So yeah, there's a lot. I kind of feel it's necessary to look at gimmicks in the other generations too, but Gen III was definitely the heaviest on them.
QuoteEh, its time to put a couple things to rest so you stop lumping me in with people resistant to change. One of my favorite Poison Pokemon is Swalot. He's probably in my top 30 favorite Pokemon too. Torkoal is my nigga and I think he needs an evolution or a buff of some kind. Seedot is adorable. Breloom is practically my favorite grass type. Absol is a guilty favorite of mine. I already mentioned how much I liked the Duskull family. Trapinch family is sweet. And the starters are pretty appealing with the exception of Combusken and Marshtomp. For every awesome Poke in gen III there seems to be a Shiftry or Luvdisc though.
I already mentioned Luvdisc's one and only use. But you seem to like Gen III a lot for someone who hates Gen III.
QuoteYou said the exact opposite of an excuse? I'm talking about your conjecture in regard to the reasons why Game Freak left out Fire in Sinnoh and Elec in Hoenn. Using conjecture as a base for a defense as to why someone did something is yes, what I would consider to be an "excuse". As for the remark I made, its just an observation man. You become more irritated and more involved in a discussion, you get increasingly hostile and arrogant. Chill out. We all like Pokemon here.
No, I said two or three times that I'm not excusing what they did and then you went and claimed the exact intercourse ing opposite. Read. My. Posts.
Post #2
Quote from: Zero on May 13, 2013, 10:04:16 PM
Yeah but the point is that you run into it everywhere and its annoying. It's just a joke.
Which is different from Gen I because...? At least Gen III had the decency to add Wingull so you had that little bit of mystery when you got into a water battle because "Which one of the two is it this time?"
QuoteDude I don't know how old you are or how long you've been on the internet but Ruby and Sapphire is INFAMOUS for its water and trumpet based soundtrack. I was in 6th grade when it was released, and the most discussed topic for weeks was how much you had to surf in Ruby and Sapphire and how Tentacool was the new Zubat. This has continued on until this very day.
Honestly both of those can be linked to the big change from I and II. Both of those used water as a one-time thing, which is really more like a badge-based roadblock in the same exact way as that obnoxious Cut tree to the east of Cerulean City. Gen III decided to actually incorporate water travel into the plot in some way by adding the whole Diving and Seafloor Cavern thing. People just didn't like it as anything more than a simple roadblock. And the soundtrack is most likely GameFreak going a little crazy with the GBA's vastly superior audio capabilities in comparison to the GameBoy and GBC. Not quite the same thing, but I'm honestly not sure that's really the fault of the Hoenn region or Ruby and Sapphire as much as it is GameFreak playing a little too much with the new system.
QuoteAs for D/P, is that so? I'm not sure that that is something to complain about considering how SLOW you surf in that game. The surfing speed was one of the main complaints if I remember correctly.
I think it was the same as in Gen I and maybe Gen II. It was basically equal to land walking speed instead of running speed as it was in every game that had running EXCEPT for Diamond and Pearl (they fixed it in Platinum IIRC). If it was in fact the same in Gen II, then really it's just a matter of people being used to how fast it was in III. But yeah, because it was running speed both before and after D/P, I... honestly want to say that it was something that they either didn't catch or didn't care about too much in testing because of the lack of water routes. Which is kind of reverse order from what you said; I think it's more "Speed doesn't matter because of the lack of water" than "Lack of water doesn't matter because of the speed". At least, that's probably what the programmers were thinking.
But they did have the decency to change it in Platinum (again, IIRC) which is weird, especially considering there was no new water, so it could have very well been an error that the testers didn't catch/care about. Either that or they forgot that surfing WAS running speed in the past. The bottom line, really, is that there wasn't enough water for that to make a difference to the testers. It's annoying, but that's enough reason to put up with it. I highly doubt they would have released a game with enough water as Hoenn but the surfing speed of D/P.
Also, I know I'm defending GF, perhaps unfairly, but the point I'm trying to make is it isn't that big a deal.
QuoteYeah I didn't mind the water as much as other people. Some variety in wild water pokemon would have made it better though.
Yeah, definitely, but I'd be careful with saying that because I'd rather not have GF making more new Water Pokemon. It's already the most abundant type. I'd say adding some more older Pokemon would help but there wasn't anything else really available by ocean surfing in I and II either. (Tentacool was 100%)
There was really nothing they could do, except for I guess making like, Wailmer appear by surfing.
Your asspain is going to take some time to properly digest. But I'll first start with stating that Gen I isn't my favorite, because you seem to think it is. Actually, V is, which is surprising when looking at the percentages I posted earlier. I just really like a lot of Gen V Pokemon that much more than a lot of pokemon that I grew up with. Volcarona in particular is in my top 10.
You keep telling me to read your posts, but it seems you aren't reading mine. Calm down, christ. It's not like this can't be a civil discussion. You're very argumentative, and I suppose in the end that this all comes down to subjectivity.
Quote from: Kayo on May 13, 2013, 10:30:51 PM
Your original argument was that the Pokemon of Gen III in general were "uninspired" which they're not. I'll keep saying this until it gets through your head, you don't HAVE to like them, but "uninspired" is a term that doesn't fit them. I'm not denying that Plusle and Minun hurt it, but come ON. Those are two intercourse ing Pokemon. Every generation has "duds" that "drag down the list," even your precious Gen I. The personal nostalgia that you may feel toward Gen I--which may make you think it's necessary to love each and every one of the original 151 Pokemon--doesn't change that fact.
Yeah. So? When I said that, I wasn't making an appeal. I wasn't formulating any concrete argument to any point or anything of the sort. I was stating my opinion. You took my opinion as a direct attack on your opinion and got
offended. It is completely true that for the most part, I don't like how Generation III has MANY gimmick Pokemon. The entire list is dragged down by these Pokemon. You even admit it. As for P+M, its not just them. They aren't the only "double pokemon". Solrock, Lunatone, Volbeat, Ilumise, and that's just the definite ones. It's almost like Crawdaunt and Sharpedo were meant to be in a pair, and you can find this throughout the Hoenn Pokedex. Even so, I still have a lot of favorites from that Generation and
like Gen III.
And are you really throwing around a strawman argument in that last bit? When did I ever make any sort of mention to love each and every one of the original 151? The only times I've mentioned Kanto were briefly in my last post, an allusion to them in the opening statement of this post, and when I calculated my percentages earlier in the thread(and Kanto didn't have 100% btw). Just stop bro. When you start throwing out the strawman arguments, you've done goofed up the foundation for everything else you try to say. Don't make assumptions bro. I think Gen III games are far more solid than the originals. Come at me.
Quote from: Kayo on May 13, 2013, 10:30:51 PM
See above. To add on the Clamperl thing, it was a gimmick to show off the trade-with-items feature they introduced and used pretty heavily in the previous gen, introducing a Pokemon that has a branched evolution based on what item it holds. Personally I like the concept behind Clamperl and its evolutions even though I'm not crazy about the designs themselves. The gimmicks are generally hit-and-miss; Gen III did a LOT of gimmicky stuff, which definitely made it unique, but no one loves them ALL. (I think Castform is my personal favorite). Actually, I'll make a little list of all the new things that were added in Gen III that can be seen as gimmicky--or could at the time, since some of them may or may not have been repeated since. Also, let me add that a LOT of these are based on abilities that were unique to single Pokemon at the time. One of Gen III's biggest introductions was abilities, and Game Freak didn't hesitate to get super creative with them. Not only did it do cute things like remove Koffing's Ground weakness, it proved that abilities can COMPLETELY change Pokemon.
Yeah, I agree. I like the concepts, its just the execution I have a problem with. I like Clamperl. Hate its evos. The gimmicks are VERY hit and miss. Just how I feel m8. No need to get offended especially seeing as we agree on this point. Wait why are we talking about abilities now? I like Abilities. It's the best thing Gen III brought to the table.
Quote from: Kayo on May 13, 2013, 10:30:51 PM
[spoiler]
Wurmple and its seemingly random branched evolution
Slaking: pokemon with ridiculous power but can only attack every other turn
Shedinja: An animated bug shell that comes to life after being discarded upon evolution. An incredibly flimsy Pokemon used mostly as a cute little gimmick to have fun with, it's INCREDIBLY unique since you play a completely different game when you use one. I personally love it.
Sableye: The first Pokemon with no weaknesses. Was gimmicky at the time, now we've had one in each gen since.
Plusle and Minun: They're stronger when used together in double battles
Volbeat and Illumise: The first and so far only example of true gender counterparts that are unrelated by evolution...if you don't count the Nidoran families whose breeding mechanics are insanely messed up which kind of makes it hard to do that.
Carvahna and Sharpedo: Doesn't seen like it from here, but I remember well the strange concept of a Pokemon hurting me every time I touched it. And since there were the ONLY Pokemon that did that until Gen V, it was definitely unique.
Wailord: It's not a gimmick, but I'm only including it because I like how the region with an expansive open ocean brought about the most absurdly enormous Pokemon to date.
Spinda: Look at one Spinda. Then at another. Then back at the first. Yeah.
Zangoose and Seviper: Not a real gimmick, but the whole "mortal enemy" thing and the version exclusiveness kind of made me think that, depending on which game you were playing, one species had successfully driven the other out of its habitat (which was only one location). It's a really interesting concept that they ruined in Black and White by making them both available in the same area regardless of game.
Feebas: The hardest Pokemon to locate. It was only available on six tiles of the entire river in one of the longest routes in Pokemon history.
Milotic: Separating it from Feebas because of its ridiculous evolution method. Kind of a literal "ugly duckling" story.
Castform: Yep.
Kecleon: Ayup.
Chimecho: Possibly the only time you'll ever play through an entire Pokemon game and not even know of the darn thing's existence. It couldn't function in battle, it was really only a trophy you got for spending an unnecessary amount of time in a place that you didn't even know had tall grass in it.
Clamperl: See above.
Luvdisc: While I wouldn't say it myself, many consider it a gimmick since it's more useless in battle than Chimecho, and its primary one and only function is to hunt for Heart Scales. And I think the concept of wild Pokemon holding items was introduced in Gen III, but I could be wrong.
[/spoiler]So yeah, there's a lot. I kind of feel it's necessary to look at gimmicks in the other generations too, but Gen III was definitely the heaviest on them.
Ding ding Ding. They probably would have made some better pokemon had they not felt like implementing too many gimmicks. With that said, I love Chimecho.
Quote from: Kayo on May 13, 2013, 10:30:51 PM
I already mentioned Luvdisc's one and only use. But you seem to like Gen III a lot for someone who hates Gen III.
No, I said two or three times that I'm not excusing what they did and then you went and claimed the exact intercourse ing opposite. Read. My. Posts.
I never said I hated Gen III. You seem to think I do just because I'm not afraid to criticize it.
So, you make an excuse for GF, but it isn't an excuse just because you say it isn't? That's some crazy logic bro but if it makes you happy I'll roll with it. I don't really give a intercourse .
EDIT: lol errors in the last sentence.
Quote from: Kayo on May 13, 2013, 10:49:03 PM
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Which is different from Gen I because...? At least Gen III had the decency to add Wingull so you had that little bit of mystery when you got into a water battle because "Which one of the two is it this time?"
A 50/50 chance isn't what I'd call a mystery. But if that satisfies you, sure. And its different from Gen I because you barely had to surf in Gen I.
Quote from: Kayo on May 13, 2013, 10:49:03 PM
Honestly both of those can be linked to the big change from I and II. Both of those used water as a one-time thing, which is really more like a badge-based roadblock in the same exact way as that obnoxious Cut tree to the east of Cerulean City. Gen III decided to actually incorporate water travel into the plot in some way by adding the whole Diving and Seafloor Cavern thing. People just didn't like it as anything more than a simple roadblock. And the soundtrack is most likely GameFreak going a little crazy with the GBA's vastly superior audio capabilities in comparison to the GameBoy and GBC. Not quite the same thing, but I'm honestly not sure that's really the fault of the Hoenn region or Ruby and Sapphire as much as it is GameFreak playing a little too much with the new system.
All I'll say here is that the B2/W2 remixes for all the Hoenn themes are fantastic compared to their original counterparts and that yeah, the water was more relevant. I mean, yeah, its a tropical island. I get that. Everyone practically did. Context didn't make surfing more enjoyable for most people. Again, its just a joke. One I like to throw around a lot. Because, you know, FUN.
Quote from: Kayo on May 13, 2013, 10:49:03 PM
I think it was the same as in Gen I and maybe Gen II. It was basically equal to land walking speed instead of running speed as it was in every game that had running EXCEPT for Diamond and Pearl (they fixed it in Platinum IIRC). If it was in fact the same in Gen II, then really it's just a matter of people being used to how fast it was in III. But yeah, because it was running speed both before and after D/P, I... honestly want to say that it was something that they either didn't catch or didn't care about too much in testing because of the lack of water routes. Which is kind of reverse order from what you said; I think it's more "Speed doesn't matter because of the lack of water" than "Lack of water doesn't matter because of the speed". At least, that's probably what the programmers were thinking.
More conjecture at the end, but yeah, sure.
Quote from: Kayo on May 13, 2013, 10:49:03 PM
But they did have the decency to change it in Platinum (again, IIRC) which is weird, especially considering there was no new water, so it could have very well been an error that the testers didn't catch/care about. Either that or they forgot that surfing WAS running speed in the past. The bottom line, really, is that there wasn't enough water for that to make a difference to the testers. It's annoying, but that's enough reason to put up with it. I highly doubt they would have released a game with enough water as Hoenn but the surfing speed of D/P.
Yeah, Platinum is the better game. Agreed.
Quote from: Kayo on May 13, 2013, 10:49:03 PM
Also, I know I'm defending GF, perhaps unfairly, but the point I'm trying to make is it isn't that big a deal.
Yeah, definitely, but I'd be careful with saying that because I'd rather not have GF making more new Water Pokemon. It's already the most abundant type. I'd say adding some more older Pokemon would help but there wasn't anything else really available by ocean surfing in I and II either. (Tentacool was 100%)
You're right. It isn't a big deal. Which is why you shouldn't be upset about how I feel about Gen III. I do like it. But I feel the gimmicks way it down the overall appeal of the Pokemon. That isn't going to change no matter you much you try to argue with me over it.
Also for the love god 1000 times yes, we do not need many more water types. Gen V slowed down on the waters, hopefully the trend continues.
Quote from: Kayo on May 13, 2013, 10:49:03 PM
There was really nothing they could do, except for I guess making like, Wailmer appear by surfing.
Or they could have made Hoenn's water routes a true tropical cornucopia of water Pokemon from past gens and III alike. I'd have been cool with that.
Quote from: Sirwaddy on May 13, 2013, 10:03:21 PM
so the bird's kinda cool
I like how the lizard looks with it's big floppy ears lol
(http://i48.photobucket.com/albums/f214/jack_luvr1800/flop.png)
plz help I really like it
Quote from: Zero on May 13, 2013, 11:11:43 PM
Your asspain is going to take some time to properly digest. But I'll first start with stating that Gen I isn't my favorite, because you seem to think it is. Actually, V is, which is surprising when looking at the percentages I posted earlier. I just really like a lot of Gen V Pokemon that much more than a lot of pokemon that I grew up with. Volcarona in particular is in my top 10.
I was waiting for you to deny it, and you never did, so I just assumed it was true and went with it. Whatever.
QuoteYou keep telling me to read your posts, but it seems you aren't reading mine. Calm down, christ. It's not like this can't be a civil discussion. You're very argumentative, and I suppose in the end that this all comes down to subjectivity.
Uh, I'm telling you to read my posts because you're literally accusing me of saying the exact opposite of something I said multiple times.
QuoteYeah. So? When I said that, I wasn't making an appeal. I wasn't formulating any concrete argument to any point or anything of the sort. I was stating my opinion. You took my opinion as a direct attack on your opinion and got offended. It is completely true that for the most part, I don't like how Generation III has MANY gimmick Pokemon. The entire list is dragged down by these Pokemon. You even admit it. As for P+M, its not just them. They aren't the only "double pokemon". Solrock, Lunatone, Volbeat, Ilumise, and that's just the definite ones. It's almost like Crawdaunt and Sharpedo were meant to be in a pair, and you can find this throughout the Hoenn Pokedex. Even so, I still have a lot of favorites from that Generation and like Gen III.
I'm not attacking your opinion, I have more of a problem with the basis of it. Like I've said what, four times? I don't care whether you like them or not. That's your opinion, I have no right to say it's right or wrong. But you definitely have the wrong reasoning though; Gen III pokemon are no less "inspired" than any others, in fact some of them have mythological/etc. inspirations behind them that some people take the time to thoroughly outline; if you've ever read any of these (http://bulbanews.bulbagarden.net/wiki/Column:On_the_Origin_of_Species) articles, you'll see what I mean. Some of them are actually pretty interesting. But what I'm bothered and yes, almost offended, by is your throwing around of the word "uninspired," implying that the folks who came up with Pokemon #252-386 just for the most part cranked them out sixty per hour without putting any thought into it. It's an unwarranted attack on the designers that I honestly don't feel they deserve. Gen IV too, even though it's a common fan-un-favorite, has inspiration behind the Pokemon it produced and there are a couple of gems in there. Even though I personally prefer the other four generations, I'm not going as far as to say that there was no inspiration behind them, because at that point we're leaving the realm of personal opinion and bashing the designers directly.
As for the double Pokemon, they're basically just version exclusives that have the same typing. It's happened in other generations, too, like with Growlithe and Vulpix and stuff like that. You only notice Lunatone and Solrock more because they have a unique type combination. Yeah, they're definitely more similar than some other version exclusives, but they have their differences.
QuoteAnd are you really throwing around a strawman argument in that last bit? When did I ever make any sort of mention to love each and every one of the original 151? The only times I've mentioned Kanto were briefly in my last post, an allusion to them in the opening statement of this post, and when I calculated my percentages earlier in the thread(and Kanto didn't have 100% btw). Just stop bro. When you start throwing out the strawman arguments, you've done goofed up the foundation for everything else you try to say. Don't make assumptions bro. I think Gen III games are far more solid than the originals. Come at me.
I'd also like to point out that that last bit was meant as more of a general statement, instead of a personal attack. I could have been more clear with that, but yeah it wasn't a reference to you personally.
QuoteYeah, I agree. I like the concepts, its just the execution I have a problem with. I like Clamperl. Hate its evos. The gimmicks are VERY hit and miss. Just how I feel m8. No need to get offended especially seeing as we agree on this point. Wait why are we talking about abilities now? I like Abilities. It's the best thing Gen III brought to the table.
Abilities because it's what many gimmicks are based on, and it's probably WHY they had so many gimmicks in Gen III. Like, once they realized that they could use abilities to modify Pokemon in pretty much any way they wanted, and make them REALLY unique in the process, there was no stopping them. See: Truant, Wonder Guard, Color Change, etc. The gimmicks are hit-and-miss, but I can personally guarantee that every single one out there has its fans.
Except for Luvdisc.QuoteDing ding Ding. They probably would have made some better pokemon had they not felt like implementing too many gimmicks. With that said, I love Chimecho.
I don't really think so. The gimmicks were what made Gen III unique, and that's what it had going for it. Thankfully they didn't keep the gimmick level so high in subsequent released (though I will have to make those lists) but they definitely give the Hoenn games their charm. I mean, Hoenn: where the wild Pokemon change their type every time you attack them. It's fun. What I do wish though, is that the gimmicks were made BETTER. For most of them, they're found early to mid-game, and their specific gimmicks don't handle evolution well (Spinda, Castform, etc.) so those poor Pokemon are doomed to a life of only being as powerful as a middle-stage Pokemon. If Castform was more viable in battle I'd use the intercourse out of it, honestly. I love that thing.
QuoteI never said I hated Gen III. You seem to think I do just because I'm not afraid to criticize it.
So, you make an excuse for GF, but it isn't an excuse just because you say it isn't? That's some crazy logic bro but if it makes you happy I'll roll with it. I don't really give a intercourse .
EDIT: lol errors in the last sentence.
Okay, no.
Quote from: Kayo on May 12, 2013, 08:11:41 PM
Doesn't excuse it, but at least it's a reason.
Quote from: Kayo on May 13, 2013, 03:12:08 PM
It doesn't excuse it by any means, but it was likely their reasoning.
Is some part of this honestly not making sense to you? Because I'll gladly elaborate if you still, even after all this time, can't comprehend the idea of someone acknowledging a reason for doing something without necessarily accepting it as an excuse.
Quote from: Zero on May 13, 2013, 11:30:28 PM
A 50/50 chance isn't what I'd call a mystery. But if that satisfies you, sure. And its different from Gen I because you barely had to surf in Gen I.
I was making a joke, lol. I'm surprised you didn't catch that.
QuoteAll I'll say here is that the B2/W2 remixes for all the Hoenn themes are fantastic compared to their original counterparts and that yeah, the water was more relevant. I mean, yeah, its a tropical island. I get that. Everyone practically did. Context didn't make surfing more enjoyable for most people. Again, its just a joke. One I like to throw around a lot. Because, you know, FUN.
The themes were good, it just took GF another generation or two to... not be so abrasive with the high-end brass notes.
QuoteYeah, Platinum is the better game. Agreed.
I literally don't think anyone disagrees.
QuoteYou're right. It isn't a big deal. Which is why you shouldn't be upset about how I feel about Gen III. I do like it. But I feel the gimmicks way it down the overall appeal of the Pokemon. That isn't going to change no matter you much you try to argue with me over it.
Okay, and I haven't really been trying to change your opinion.
QuoteAlso for the love god 1000 times yes, we do not need many more water types. Gen V slowed down on the waters, hopefully the trend continues.
Let's really reuse some, please. Haven't seen much of Crawdaunt in a while. Wouldn't mind it making a nice, solid return. Especially because it's was virtually nonexistant in Gen III. If you didn't know to intercourse around in the little puddles in Petalburg that they call ponds, you'll never find the darn thing once in the entire game. (Emerald fixed this by swapping out Sidney's Sharpedo with a Crawdaunt--you get enough of Sharpedo in that game with Team Aqua anyway)
Oh, and that's another thing. Gen III had a bunch of Pokemon that you could go the whole game without seeing. Your rival's starter's final form, for crying out loud. Corphish, Crawdaunt, Chimecho, whichever Clamperl evo you didn't get, to name a few. I'm sure I and II did too, but at least after III they fixed it by putting EVERY regional dex Pokemon in a trainer's party somewhere. In IV there was definitely all of them, because seeing them all was required for the national dex. Gen V is missing only Ferrothorn, Mandibuzz (if you're playing WW2), and the baby form of whichever late game bird isn't in your game. Completely off-topic and not relevant to anything at all, but I just felt like mentioning that.
QuoteOr they could have made Hoenn's water routes a true tropical cornucopia of water Pokemon from past gens and III alike. I'd have been cool with that.
Probably, but again the issue is what Pokemon are meant to be found by just surfing--a lot of them are more deep-sea (like Staryu) so you'd need to drop a line into the water to pull them up. Only thing I can really see being within range to ambush a trainer floating on the surface is Wingull and anything air-breathing like Wailmer. I guess Tentacool because jellyfish like float near the surface (and sting people) but that's whatever I don't even know.
oh my god every pokemon game sucks if you over analyze it
none of this poop even matters except pokemon designs and battle mechanics
So you don't see the contradictory nature in making a statement based entirely on conjecture in the defense of something, saying "Doesn't excuse it", but then further confirming your belief in your own conjecture by stating "...but at least its a reason" as if to defend it further?
To excuse something is to overlook something, and that is exactly what you were doing. It is as if you associate "excuses" with something completely bad. Excuses aren't always bad.
If you can look past that, sure, whatever bro, but that doesn't mean you aren't making excuses for Game Freak in Game Freak's stead.
As for having a problem with the basis for my opinion: Can you even tell me what the basis of my opinion is? Other than I just generally don't like most of the Pokemon, I mean. Rhetoric aside, how is disliking the repeated use of gimmicks and feeling that it weighed down the overall aesthetics of the Pokemon in Gen III not a legitimate basis for an opinion? I feel its a lot stronger than saying "MEH. I JUST DON'T LIKE THEM." Shit, its not even like I could stop at the gimmick part. A lot of Gen III pokemon just flat out SUCK not just for competitive play(which is something I can say for Gen I), but for friendlies and even in-game gameplay.
I also don't feel that all the gimmicks made Gen III unique. I feel it was the introduction of abilities and poop like contests/berry expansion that made Gen III more unique. Also the Vs. Seeker's first iteration was introduced(I don't count the phone in Gen II) so that too. There is a lot that is unique about Gen III but ALL THE GIMMICKS isn't exactly something to laud about.
Anyway that's about as much effort as I'm willing to put into this. I hope we're on the same page now.
Quote from: zephilicious on May 14, 2013, 12:07:08 AM
oh my god every pokemon game sucks if you over analyze it
none of this poop even matters except pokemon designs and battle mechanics
what about Pokemon snap
Quote from: RazorFilledCandy on May 13, 2013, 11:42:53 PM
I like how the lizard looks with it's big floppy ears lol
(http://i48.photobucket.com/albums/f214/jack_luvr1800/flop.png)
plz help I really like it
It's like a lizard puppy
The new region is called Kalos and it's star shaped.
[spoiler](http://25.media.tumblr.com/d55a761de495b8135699a9fee4f4b03a/tumblr_mmsg31Iigb1s2kalqo2_1280.jpg)[/spoiler]
Also clothing and accessory customization confirmed.
[spoiler]
(http://25.media.tumblr.com/92f0d432f353562a56da8c9514355f95/tumblr_mmsga3MAej1s2kalqo1_500.png)[/spoiler]
And the English names for the new Pokemon are:
[spoiler](http://24.media.tumblr.com/a0d739459f8932db89097e585fea7968/tumblr_mmsfyvjczj1s2kalqo6_400.jpg)
Helioptile
(http://25.media.tumblr.com/9e5b7e404a2b7b3d75e568e5c0b3ba7c/tumblr_mmsfyvjczj1s2kalqo4_400.jpg)
Fletchling
(http://24.media.tumblr.com/32e50359d9817563b815e678c1bbcf15/tumblr_mmsfyvjczj1s2kalqo7_400.jpg)
Pancham
(http://24.media.tumblr.com/1fe8548aabad3eca8e3c73b09fc40031/tumblr_mmsfyvjczj1s2kalqo5_400.jpg)
Gogoat [/spoiler]
Quote from: Mona on May 14, 2013, 07:16:17 AM
Also clothing and accessory customization confirmed.
[spoiler]
(http://25.media.tumblr.com/92f0d432f353562a56da8c9514355f95/tumblr_mmsga3MAej1s2kalqo1_500.png)[/spoiler]
What is this feeling I'm having? I'm actually getting...excited.
Well this is exciting. FINALLY, new outfits & accessories
Helioptile is adorable oh no its ears get bigger ;u;
I knew that was a leaf.
that new video was so good.
the name fletchling confirms the archery connection, ie robin hood
and gogoat is fantastic im glad that name survived translation
(http://25.media.tumblr.com/712ba0c91b44ac1dfafd540050789146/tumblr_mmshlywniL1s2kalqo2_400.jpg)
i swear to god if the game looks like this and you are still limited to 4 directions that will be the dumbest thing since i put my dick on a lit stove
I feel like I'm more excited for this gen than I was for 5th
and I really like how they're finally adding some customization
Quote from: RazorFilledCandy on May 14, 2013, 02:14:53 PM
I feel like I'm more excited for this gen than I was for 5th
and I really like how they're finally adding some customization
5th gen was a really stale addition surround by hype for basically nothing other than "LOOK THERE ARE NEW POKEMON"
this game actually feels new
HOPEFULLY THEY WON'T FUCK IT UP
also i don't know how i feel about hte star shape map
i really hope it isn't as basic ninny point to point like 5th
5th gen had the most dull overworld ever
Quote from: Custom on May 14, 2013, 12:06:57 PM
(http://25.media.tumblr.com/712ba0c91b44ac1dfafd540050789146/tumblr_mmshlywniL1s2kalqo2_400.jpg)
i swear to god if the game looks like this and you are still limited to 4 directions that will be the dumbest thing since i put my dick on a lit stove
We already knew it was 4-directional movement.
Quote from: The Riddler on May 14, 2013, 02:21:00 PM
We already knew it was 4-directional movement.
that's poopty and stupid
if you're going to drop the retro charm drop the retro controls
gamefreak is poop
but there's diagonal movement in a bunch of the screenshots
its still on a grid but its at least 8 way movement
Quote from: zephilicious on May 14, 2013, 02:55:47 PM
but there's diagonal movement in a bunch of the screenshots
its still on a grid but its at least 8 way movement
oh good
thanks rob thanks alot
Quote from: Zero on May 14, 2013, 12:20:04 AM
what about Pokemon snap
conquest
colosseum and xd
stadium 1 and 2
puzzle league
mystery dungeon
...but more importantly, conquest
Quote from: Custom on May 14, 2013, 02:16:33 PM
5th gen was a really stale addition surround by hype for basically nothing other than "LOOK THERE ARE NEW POKEMON"
this game actually feels new
disagree x1000
BW2 are intercourse ing awesome
(http://www.pokemonxy.com/_ui/img/_en/screenshots/may_supp_p3_7.jpg)
8 way is better than 4 so we're good.
And BW2 were good. He was saying the hype for BW was bullpoop, because it was. Those games felt more like a setup for B2W2 than games themselves because they sucked.
Lotsa cool high-quality pics for the individual Pokemon released. It kills me that they have Awakened Mewtwo there and are STILL acting like it's a mysterious new Pokemon even though we saw Mewtwo turn into it.
Also, "Kalos" doesn't sound right as a region for some reason...
8-directional movement, it's about time. English names for the new Pokemon are great, except for Helioptile, doesn't really have a nice ring like the rest of them (Fletchling omg <3)
Kalos is divided into three sub-regions that have their own Pokedexes. Gotta be a hint that this will be, by far, the biggest region we have yet seen.
Poke-Paris is called "Lumiose City" which I'm really okay with.
Also, a little extra bit of news that seems everyone missed: Character limits are getting longer. Pokemon names can be at least 12 characters long and move names can be at least 16. Will probably change the spelling of some moves (like PoisonPowder) but shouldn't change the names of any existing Pokemon that have had their names squeezed into ten characters (Victreebel and Feraligatr).
Proof, if you must, is that the new confirmed English attack name "Parabolic Charge" has 16 characters; Pancham's official French name is Pandespiegle which is twelve. Even though that's french, there's no reason that the limit wouldn't be lengthened to match for all regions of the game that use the latin alphabet.
You know what I want to see though? Evolutions. At least sketches of the starters' evolutions like we saw pretty early in Gen V. I'm really craving to see the direction these Pokemon go in.
i would almost relate it to how platinum was fun but pearl and diamond were soulless abominations
i still think it was dumb to have a black and white 2 though
should've just been grey
separating the titles was really unnecessary
Quote from: Custom on May 14, 2013, 05:13:44 PM
i would almost relate it to how platinum was fun but pearl and diamond were soulless abominations
i still think it was dumb to have a black and white 2 though
should've just been grey
separating the titles was really unnecessary
You know why they did it though, right?
Quote from: Kayo on May 14, 2013, 05:40:36 PM
You know why they did it though, right?
no please write a long essay on pokemon culture like you did to zero about 3rd gen
Quote from: Kayo on May 14, 2013, 05:10:40 PM
Kalos is divided into three sub-regions that have their own Pokedexes. Gotta be a hint that this will be, by far, the biggest region we have yet seen.
"The Pokémon that reside in the Kalos region are registered in one of three area categories."
That is what the website says. This likely refers to a system similar to FR/LG where Pokemon were shown caught in Grasslands, Caves, etc. It does not say the region is so big it ....needs 3 pokedexes. That's just....what?
Also I'm on board with Custom's statement about Platinum in relation to D/P.
Quote from: Custom on May 14, 2013, 05:42:50 PM
no please write a long essay on pokemon culture like you did to zero about 3rd gen
Uh, it was because at some point they knew they weren't going to remake R/S in Gen V, so doubling up the third game and turning it into a sequel raised the number of Gen V games to four so it wouldn't seem so small compared to the five that the previous two yielded.
Pretty intercourse ing simple.
Besides, if you don't like long posts that aren't directed to you then don't read them. Simple as intercourse ing that.
Quote from: Kayo on May 14, 2013, 06:29:00 PM
Uh, it was because at some point they knew they weren't going to remake R/S in Gen V, so doubling up the third game and turning it into a sequel raised the number of Gen V games to four so it wouldn't seem so small compared to the five that the previous two yielded.
Pretty intercourse ing simple.
Besides, if you don't like long posts that aren't directed to you then don't read them. Simple as intercourse ing that.
thanks for the source i really feel like this is information i could trust
did you ask the gamestop employee about it?
i thought you were going to give me a legit reason like "the region differences between white and black and how they would carry over the sequels" because of that one town that was different in each game and the differences in little things like the desert region being somewhat modernized with fences or completely rural
i can't believe you would try to spoonfeed me that bullpoop
that's like disrespectful man
Quote from: Custom on May 14, 2013, 05:42:50 PM
no please write a long essay on pokemon culture like you did to zero about 3rd gen
Quote from: Custom on May 14, 2013, 06:42:22 PM
thanks for the source i really feel like this is information i could trust
did you ask the gamestop employee about it?
These made my night, no offense Kayo.
Quote from: Kayo on May 14, 2013, 06:29:00 PM
Uh, it was because at some point they knew they weren't going to remake R/S in Gen V, so doubling up the third game and turning it into a sequel raised the number of Gen V games to four so it wouldn't seem so small compared to the five that the previous two yielded.
Pretty intercourse ing simple.
Besides, if you don't like long posts that aren't directed to you then don't read them. Simple as intercourse ing that.
hey guys we have a gamefreak employee on the boards
he knows exactly why every decision is ever made at gamefreak
he even knows why there were two sequels instead of one
hey kockmongler, did you ever consider that it was literally just a ploy to make more money? they certainly don't care if it's to make the number of games in each generation seem higher, making two sequels means more money. they'll do the same with x and y.
The panda's nice
My little brother and I were talking about possible evolutions for the panda. We came up with a giant panda chewing on a bamboo stick and it uses that bamboo stick to attack.
Quote from: Mona on May 14, 2013, 10:35:05 PM
My little brother and I were talking about possible evolutions for the panda. We came up with a giant panda chewing on a bamboo stick and it uses that bamboo stick to attack.
I am okay with this. I wonder how many stages the newbies have. I hope the lizard gets cooler. IF THAT'S EVEN POSSIBLE
Fan art has once again made me a bit more accepting of new designs.
[spoiler]
(http://fc06.deviantart.net/fs70/f/2013/134/a/c/helioptile_by_xous54-d64x2op.png)
(http://fc09.deviantart.net/fs71/f/2013/134/c/d/fletchling_by_xous54-d64x2bk.png)
(http://fc03.deviantart.net/fs71/f/2013/134/0/0/pancham_by_xous54-d64x1ls.png)
(http://fc03.deviantart.net/fs70/f/2013/134/e/9/gogoat_by_xous54-d6588dr.png)[/spoiler]
Oh, and if anyone is confused by the names:
Helioptile = Heliophile / Reptile. Heliophile = someone/thing attracted to sunlight. He uses solar energy and converts it into electricity.
Fletchling = Fletch(ing) / Hatchling. Fletch = Feathery part of an arrow, Fletching = Stabilizing an arrows flight path. It's a Robin, so, Robin Hood relation is likely. At the very least, this bird is gonna fly straight and fast like an arrow.
Gogoat I'm gonna just say is go-go/goat.
Pancham... same name scheme as Medicham. Panda/cham whatever the intercourse cham means
Quote from: The Riddler on May 15, 2013, 12:45:41 AM
Pancham... same name scheme as Medicham. Panda/cham whatever the intercourse cham means
The derivation for -cham is primarily "champ". What I want to know is the pronunciation of this one. I don't know whether it's PAN-cham or pan-CHAM. I appreciated the official site giving the phonetics for the legendaries, it's a shame they didn't stick with that for all the others. Call me petty but I'm pretty anal about phonetics; I always want to make sure I'm saying it right.
Quote from: The Riddler on May 15, 2013, 12:45:41 AM
Pancham... same name scheme as Medicham. Panda/cham whatever the intercourse cham means
Pancham = Punch 'em.
Quote from: Sirwaddy on May 14, 2013, 03:41:38 PM
And BW2 were good. He was saying the hype for BW was bullpoop, because it was. Those games felt more like a setup for B2W2 than games themselves because they sucked.
Eh, I still liked BW a lot.
How did they suck?
Medicham is Medi-kam, right?
Will this be Pan-kam or Pan-CHam?
It's either Panch-Am
or Pank-Am
Quote from: Kayo on May 14, 2013, 05:10:40 PM
Also, a little extra bit of news that seems everyone missed: Character limits are getting longer. Pokemon names can be at least 12 characters long and move names can be at least 16. Will probably change the spelling of some moves (like PoisonPowder) but shouldn't change the names of any existing Pokemon that have had their names squeezed into ten characters (Victreebel and Feraligatr).
I hope this is also true for naming your trainer. I hate not using my actual name, since it's one character over the 7-character limit.
god darn guys its english its PAN-cham this is not hard
Quote from: Zero on May 15, 2013, 09:28:43 AM
Eh, I still liked BW a lot.
How did they suck?
worst overworld of all the games + nothing new
boring formula with about as much story as the other games even though they hyped it to have more
meh tier game
bad pokemon game
Quote from: Custom on May 15, 2013, 01:12:46 PM
worst overworld of all the games + nothing new
boring formula with about as much story as the other games even though they hyped it to have more
meh tier game
bad pokemon game
I liked the overworld. It was just as immersive if not more so than past games. Routes have ALWAYS been short. Nothing new? Did we even play the same game? There's lots of new things in Gen V that aren't in past gens.
Boring formula? It's Pokemon. I'm not sure what you expected going into it, but I expected to collect gym badges, stop some evil faggot, and beat the Pokemon League again. Nintendo games aren't exactly known for their deep and intricate stories man. You should have known they were just hyping it up.
The new Pokemon and new moves are enough to keep me interested in Gen V. I'm still not bored with it.
Quote from: The Riddler on May 15, 2013, 11:00:29 AM
Medicham is Medi-kam, right?
Will this be Pan-kam or Pan-CHam?
-cham comes from champ, and I sure as hell hope you don't say that word like kamp.
Quote from: zephilicious on May 15, 2013, 12:41:35 PM
god darn guys its english its PAN-cham this is not hard
English is a intercourse ed up language sometimes which is why I was wondering which syllable had the emphasis.
Quote from: Zero on May 15, 2013, 01:39:59 PM
I liked the overworld. It was just as immersive if not more so than past games. Routes have ALWAYS been short. Nothing new? Did we even play the same game? There's lots of new things in Gen V that aren't in past gens.
Boring formula? It's Pokemon. I'm not sure what you expected going into it, but I expected to collect gym badges, stop some evil faggot, and beat the Pokemon League again. Nintendo games aren't exactly known for their deep and intricate stories man. You should have known they were just hyping it up.
The new Pokemon and new moves are enough to keep me interested in Gen V. I'm still not bored with it.
BW had nothing to offer. It had a new region but it wasn't really "immersive". It was linear as intercourse and that made it very boring. He never said anything about the routes' length.
Exactly, the pokemon games have never been about story, yet this game put too much of a focus on that with N and Plasma when it's clearly not its strong suit. Additionally, everyone was levelled down a ton, and even the level 60s in the wild were weird because they were insanely weak.
Quote from: Zero on May 15, 2013, 01:39:59 PM
I liked the overworld. It was just as immersive if not more so than past games. Routes have ALWAYS been short. Nothing new? Did we even play the same game? There's lots of new things in Gen V that aren't in past gens.
Boring formula? It's Pokemon. I'm not sure what you expected going into it, but I expected to collect gym badges, stop some evil faggot, and beat the Pokemon League again. Nintendo games aren't exactly known for their deep and intricate stories man. You should have known they were just hyping it up.
The new Pokemon and new moves are enough to keep me interested in Gen V. I'm still not bored with it.
the overworld is absolute poop in b&w
i expect at least a standard from pokemon
when it's not met it makes a bad pokemon game
they shouldn't hype up something they can't provide
especially when these had sequels that continued to lack a unique story
more so after how bland D&P were
they should've done something to make these interesting
and they didn't
disgusting
the only thing gen 5 did right was allow infinite TMs
the rest was basic as a basic ninny could be
Quote from: The Riddler on May 15, 2013, 11:00:29 AM
Medicham is Medi-kam, right?
Will this be Pan-kam or Pan-CHam?
Don't forget Makop, Makoke, and Makamp.
Quote from: zephilicious on May 15, 2013, 12:41:35 PM
god darn guys its english its PAN-cham this is not hard
^This. You pronounce it just like the word it comes from: PAN-da. Most of our words operate like this.
Though admittedly, NOA tends to be full of idiots when it comes to pronunciation. I spent years pronouncing Rayquaza RAY-qua-za like a moron before they enlightened me on the fact that it's pronounced "Ruh-QUAY-zuh." I mean, I don't know what I was thinking; it's not like I was basing my pronunciation on how it's SPELLED or the root-word RAY or anything.
Quote from: Custom on May 15, 2013, 02:33:15 PM
the overworld is absolute poop in b&w
i expect at least a standard from pokemon
when it's not met it makes a bad pokemon game
they shouldn't hype up something they can't provide
especially when these had sequels that continued to lack a unique story
more so after how bland D&P were
they should've done something to make these interesting
and they didn't
disgusting
the only thing gen 5 did right was allow infinite TMs
the rest was basic as a basic ninny could be
did you ever consider that maybe you're just tired of Pokemon?
Quote from: Neerb on May 15, 2013, 03:12:00 PM
Don't forget Makop, Makoke, and Makamp.
I laughed a lot at that.
Quote from: Neerb on May 15, 2013, 03:12:00 PM
You pronounce it just like the word it comes from: PAN-da. Most of our words operate like this.
Duh! I didn't even think of that, I mean that's what I do for all the other pokemon so I don't know why I even wondered for Pancham. Thank you.
Quote from: Zero on May 15, 2013, 03:14:25 PM
did you ever consider that maybe you're just tired of Pokemon?
nah i find 6th gen interesting and really enjoyed heartgold and soulsilver despite not liking second gen as a kid
so i still like pokemon
Quote from: Custom on May 15, 2013, 03:22:22 PM
nah i find 6th gen interesting and really enjoyed heartgold and soulsilver despite not liking second gen as a kid
so i still like pokemon
6th gen is just going to be more of the same though, and you know it.
Quote from: Zero on May 15, 2013, 04:01:35 PM
6th gen is just going to be more of the same though, and you know it.
hey as long as they make the overworld interesting and drop the retro poop it'll be new enough for me
I still don't like Helioptile's name, though. Let's talk about pronunciation on that. It looks like it would be "Hee-li-OP-tile," yet no matter how hard I try I can't get it to flow nicely. It's just really not doing it for me.
Speaking of Helio, though. It's the first and so far only Pokemon to ever have Normal as a secondary type, which is just plain weird. I mean, it's weird enough that it's normal anyway, considering there are no normal-type reptilian Pokemon so far. But for its typing to be Electric/Normal instead of Normal/Electric? I almost feel like it's going to be like Swablu and swap out Normal for another type upon evolution--but in this case it would retain its primary type sort of like Surskit/Masquerain and a handful of others who change their secondary type. I mean, I guess you could say the only reason Swablu had its first type changed instead of its second is because Flying was never a primary type until Gen V, but that's a different topic.
But then again, if it was going to acquire a secondary type, it would probably be pure Electric in its first stage. Honestly, I can't help but be really, really skeptical about the ordering of its typing. Normal is just something that... doesn't come second.
HEE-lee-op-tile presumably, see heliophile
I like that it's part normal. Something different.
Quote from: Kayo on May 15, 2013, 04:24:01 PM
I still don't like Helioptile's name, though. Let's talk about pronunciation on that. It looks like it would be "Hee-li-OP-tile," yet no matter how hard I try I can't get it to flow nicely. It's just really not doing it for me.
Speaking of Helio, though. It's the first and so far only Pokemon to ever have Normal as a secondary type, which is just plain weird. I mean, it's weird enough that it's normal anyway, considering there are no normal-type reptilian Pokemon so far. But for its typing to be Electric/Normal instead of Normal/Electric? I almost feel like it's going to be like Swablu and swap out Normal for another type upon evolution--but in this case it would retain its primary type sort of like Surskit/Masquerain and a handful of others who change their secondary type. I mean, I guess you could say the only reason Swablu had its first type changed instead of its second is because Flying was never a primary type until Gen V, but that's a different topic.
But then again, if it was going to acquire a secondary type, it would probably be pure Electric in its first stage. Honestly, I can't help but be really, really skeptical about the ordering of its typing. Normal is just something that... doesn't come second.
so are you like good at pokemon or are you just crazy about it?
Quote from: Sirwaddy on May 15, 2013, 05:17:20 PM
I like that it's part normal. Something different.
It's interesting. Other types would hate to be paired with normal, but electricity can get away with it, since its only weak to ground. Two weaknesses and an immunity isn't that bad.
fairy type is such a dumb name
we ain't playing yu-gi-oh
Quote from: zephilicious on May 15, 2013, 05:12:37 PM
HEE-lee-op-tile presumably, see heliophile
Hee-lee-ohp-tile
or
Hee-lee-uhp-tile
I am sorry I ever brought up phonetics.
In other news... some people think they spotted some Go-goat pre-evos or some poop
(http://24.media.tumblr.com/f98338612999302b888da0eed77a4ed9/tumblr_mmujj4SiiT1rpn9eno1_500.png)
Gokid?
Quote from: Sirwaddy on May 15, 2013, 06:28:56 PM
I am sorry I ever brought up phonetics.
In other news... some people think they spotted some Go-goat pre-evos or some poop
(http://24.media.tumblr.com/f98338612999302b888da0eed77a4ed9/tumblr_mmujj4SiiT1rpn9eno1_500.png)
I thought that was pansage falling
Quote from: The Riddler on May 15, 2013, 06:19:13 PM
Hee-lee-ohp-tile
or
Hee-lee-uhp-tile
that says nothing about what syllable you stress which is usually the issue with ambiguously-pronounced pokemon names
saying it like "heliophile" but with a T thrown in there doesn't sound good either. It's just... not a great name.
I've been reading helioptile as helio-tile because I associate -pt with a silent p, like pterodactyl, but idk if it still does that if it doesn't start with pt
Quote from: RazorFilledCandy on May 15, 2013, 07:56:57 PM
I've been reading helioptile as helio-tile because I associate -pt with a silent p, like pterodactyl, but idk if it still does that if it doesn't start it pt
It doesn't, but it would sound a lot better if it did.
Quote from: Kayo on May 15, 2013, 07:57:37 PM
It doesn't, but it would sound a lot better if it did.
ah, oh well
I'll probably forever refer to it at heliotile though, it's already stuck with me
Quote from: RazorFilledCandy on May 15, 2013, 08:02:10 PM
ah, oh well
I'll probably forever refer to it at heliotile though, it's already stuck with me
I'm disappointed too because I didn't like its Japanese name either so I don't have any clue what I'm going to call it.
In other news that's definitely not Gogoat or any existing Pokemon in the picture... accidental leak maybe? It looks a tad too obvious to be something that was let out on accident but I'm surprised the big sources like Serebii didn't even notice it. Definitely something new.
Quote from: RazorFilledCandy on May 15, 2013, 07:56:57 PM
I've been reading helioptile as helio-tile because I associate -pt with a silent p, like pterodactyl, but idk if it still does that if it doesn't start with pt
I hadn't thought of that. I assumed -ptile derived from reptile so I've been pronouncing the "pt".
Doesn't matter anyway, it's still adorable lol
Quote from: Kayo on May 15, 2013, 08:05:05 PM
In other news that's definitely not Gogoat or any existing Pokemon in the picture... accidental leak maybe? It looks a tad too obvious to be something that was let out on accident but I'm surprised the big sources like Serebii didn't even notice it. Definitely something new.
Someone said it looks like flowers but I really don't see that. I distinctively see the same colors on Gogoat, but the things look smaller so idk what's going there.
I like that we get roller blades
jesus intercourse ing christ
this is NOT difficult at all
Heeeeeeeeeeeeeel
eeeeeeeeeeeeee
op
tile
Quote from: Custom on May 15, 2013, 06:04:03 PM
fairy type is such a dumb name
we ain't playing yu-gi-oh
they may rename it in the states
"Dark" type is just "Evil" type in Japan
Quote from: Sirwaddy on May 15, 2013, 08:05:30 PM
Someone said it looks like flowers but I really don't see that. I distinctively see the same colors on Gogoat, but the things look smaller so idk what's going there.
The backfur is dark brown instead of Gogoat's two-toned brown and tan, the pattern of colors on the head is different the large horns are missing, and the legs are stubbier. Basically all the characteristics of a reasonable pre-evo, because it retains the foliage-esque fur (or just foliage, can't tell) around the neck and down the spine It's clearly not flowers. It's two of this species interacting with each other, one facing to the right and one facing the camera.
Quote from: Zero on May 15, 2013, 08:10:19 PM
they may rename it in the states
"Dark" type is just "Evil" type in Japan
Psychic is Esper, etc. But.. was that type confirmed?
Quote from: Zero on May 15, 2013, 05:35:11 PM
It's interesting. Other types would hate to be paired with normal, but electricity can get away with it, since its only weak to ground. Two weaknesses and an immunity isn't that bad.
Also, adding a Normal type to anything is generally more of a hindrance, since the weakness to the super-common Fighting overpowers the Ghost immunity (Ghost is a rare type) unless there's an issue of weaknesses cancelling out (Psychic, which resists Fighting and is weak to Ghost, is a great pairing for Normal.)
Weakness to two of the most common attacking types in the game does not a good typing make, but it has an immunity and three resistances, albeit to uncommon types, so it's not all bad.
Quote from: Kayo on May 15, 2013, 08:12:41 PM
Psychic is Esper, etc. But.. was that type confirmed?
more or less
at least two different leakers agree on fairy (but not much else, so somebody's lying)
but really it was obvious as soon as sylveon's names were announced.
Quote from: Zero on May 15, 2013, 08:06:34 PM
jesus intercourse ing christ
this is NOT difficult at all
Heeeeeeeeeeeeeel
eeeeeeeeeeeeee
op
tile
You're saying Heel - ee - ahp - tile, yes?
I'm thinking Hee-lee-ohp-tile.
Quote from: The Riddler on May 15, 2013, 08:56:35 PM
You're saying Heel - ee - ahp - tile, yes?
I'm thinking Hee-lee-ohp-tile.
Can't we agree on HEE-lee-əp-tile and move on?
Quote from: zephilicious on May 15, 2013, 08:42:38 PM
more or less
at least two different leakers agree on fairy (but not much else, so somebody's lying)
but really it was obvious as soon as sylveon's names were announced.
Do you have links or something?
(http://i81.photobucket.com/albums/j219/horohorozeno/Boy-Girl-Pokemon-X-and-Y_1920x1200_zpse1b555aa.jpg)
As if the titles and Japanese logos weren't enough, another nod to DNA. This is the bracelet the male and female trainer are wearing. I assume it's Gen VI's Pokegear/Pokenav/Poketch/C-Gear.
Quote from: Sirwaddy on May 15, 2013, 09:15:14 PM
(http://i81.photobucket.com/albums/j219/horohorozeno/Boy-Girl-Pokemon-X-and-Y_1920x1200_zpse1b555aa.jpg)
As if the titles and Japanese logos weren't enough, another nod to DNA. This is the bracelet the male and female trainer are wearing. I assume it's Gen VI's Pokegear/Pokenav/Poketch/C-Gear.
Well, it's a link to the thing in the logo for sure, yeah. It honestly looks more like toothpaste to me there.
Quote from: Kayo on May 15, 2013, 09:07:22 PM
Can't we agree on HEE-lee-əp-tile and move on?
Do you have links or something?
4chan pokebeach twitter google its everywhere
Quote from: Kayo on May 15, 2013, 09:20:35 PM
Well, it's a link to the thing in the logo for sure, yeah. It honestly looks more like toothpaste to me there.
toothpaste type confirmed
Quote from: Kayo on May 15, 2013, 09:20:35 PM
Well, it's a link to the thing in the logo for sure, yeah. It honestly looks more like toothpaste to me there.
(http://t2.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcRJuRn1BTxlVwOLhR_JNT3OQIdPL7OCQEJ_kyRRu_6tYuERsTyb9g) (http://cdn1.ricochet.com/var/ezwebin_site/storage/images/media/images/crest/405985-1-eng-US/Crest_lightbox.jpg)
Ah yes I see where you're coming from
Quote from: The Riddler on May 15, 2013, 08:56:35 PM
You're saying Heel - ee - ahp - tile, yes?
I'm thinking Hee-lee-ohp-tile.
If you understood how to pronouce "Helio", it'd make more sense to you. You know, like Helios, the god?
Hee-lee-op-tile.
Helio = Hee lee oh
So Hee lee oh(p) tile
Quote from: Kayo on May 12, 2013, 05:18:09 PM
You're obviously a closet genwunner you can stop denying it. Apparently Pokemon will never live up to your expectations.
For a high school kid, you're really a vagina.
Quote from: Zero on May 15, 2013, 10:44:11 PM
If you understood how to pronouce "Helio", it'd make more sense to you. You know, like Helios, the god?
Hee-lee-op-tile.
Problem is... "helio" has a hard O sound while "Helios" has a soft O sound.
And to make matters even more complicated, words like "heliophyte" are pronounced with an "uh" sound.
I've been saying it in my head like HEE-lee-ohp-tile. -Shrug-
Quote from: Mona on May 16, 2013, 10:02:18 AM
I've been saying it in my head like HEE-lee-ohp-tile. -Shrug-
oh my goooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooood
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Quote from: Custom on May 16, 2013, 03:10:07 PM
oh my goooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooood
whoooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo caaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaarrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrreeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeesssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssss
So apparently there's a handful of rumors coming from an "inside source" that was right about a bunch of stuff so far, so there's a little bit of merit to these, but they're still NOT confirmed and
just rumors.
QuoteFairy will be a new type. It is weak to Poison and Steel, immune to Dragon, super effective against Dragon, Dark, and Fighting, and Fire and Psychic-type Pokemon take half damage from it.
Sylveon is Fairy-type. Some older Pokemon will be reclassified to Fairy, such as Mawile (Steel/Fairy).
Mewtwo has two new formes, not just one. Both are activated via items.
The professor's English name is Patrice.
The Starter final evolutions are Fire/Psychic, Grass/Dark, and Water/Fighting.
The first Gym is Bug, the second is Fairy, and the fourth is Fighting.
A few attacks will be dual-typed.
There will be a new type of battling style that Flying-type Pokemon and Pokemon with Levitate can participate in.
You will be able to see a Pokemon's EVs at a certain in-game facility. You will be able to boost the EVs through mini-games. It will take about two hours to get one stat to max EVs.
The author has also received English Pokemon names and much more, but has decided to withhold that information until the source's credibility is further proven.
Alright, let's talk hypotheticals.
The "Fairy" type is an awful name; I honestly wish they'd go the more general and subjective route and call it "Light," because I feel it could fit more Pokemon that way. Fairy is just... awfully specific. The type matchups are interesting, though. Psychic and Fire could have used a boost defensively, and now Psychic/Fire Pokemon will be the only ones to take a quarter damage from this type, so that's pretty cool. Also balances the offensive madness of the Dragon type with a full-on IMMUNITY here. And it's a type supereffective against Dragon, so fairies will be perfect Dragon counters. And Hydreigon will now have a 4x weakness. Shame.
Also, Poison and Steel are now much better offensively, formerly they were used ONLY for STAB because Poison beats nothing but Grass (which has four other weaknesses) and Steel only beats two of the five types Fighting also beats. So those two offensive types will get more use. BALANCE. I like it, especially for Poison.
Regarding Mawile, if this is true we lose one of our only pure Steel Pokemon, but Steel/Fairy is honestly a cool type. Fairy's supposed Poison weakness is completely nullified by Steel's immunity, there's a second immunity to Dragon, and... I just noticed this doesn't speculate what Fairy will take half damage from. Huh.
Mewtwo has TWO new formes? Ugh.
Starter evolution typings: a reversed type-matchup triangle. Every starter can score supereffective hits on BOTH others using just its STAB moves. Not a big fan of that myself but it was pretty inevitable. Chespin I can't see as gaining a Dark type, but Froakie could totally evolve into a Fighting type and Fennekin has been speculated by wishful fans to be Fire/Psychic... which becomes a cool type with the alleged intro of the Fairy type, so that's pretty cool.
Dual typed attacks? I thought about this back in like, Gen III with Blaze Kick, then quickly realized how awful that idea would be. I'm really not okay with this, but it's better than triple typing.
And more English names? We don't... have any unnamed Pokemon... yet.
ANYWAY, That's the rumor. Absolutely NOTHING is confirmed, but this "source" has a tinge of credibility due to being right about something in the past... If you remember in Gen V a similar situation happened when some source leaked a full list of English names...that turned out to all be correct. So we'll see where this one goes.
If we have to get a new type i'd much rather prefer Fairy over Light. The latter has been murdered to death by a ton of fans and all their fan games for the series and bringing a fanmade concept into the official franchise will really irk me.
That said, Fairy isn't all that great a name either but it's the lesser of two evils. They've withheld Sylveon's typing for too long and it's been so overhyped I don't even care if we're getting a nee type or not.
Just show me more Pokemon and gameplay.
i'd much rather have light
fairy really doesn't fit in well with these games
light at least makes a little sense
Quote from: Sirwaddy on May 16, 2013, 07:29:20 PM
If we have to get a new type i'd much rather prefer Fairy over Light. The latter has been murdered to death by a ton of fans and all their fan games for the series and bringing a fanmade concept into the official franchise will really irk me.
That said, Fairy isn't all that great a name either but it's the lesser of two evils. They've withheld Sylveon's typing for too long and it's been so overhyped I don't even care if we're getting a nee type or not.
Just show me more Pokemon and gameplay.
I dunno, I have to agree with Custom on this one. Light seems way more "Pokemon" than Fairy does.
I can see how it fits better than Fairy, but like I said I feel it's just been used and abused by a good chunk of the fanbase. It's long since become something I don't want just because so many people want it I guess.
Of the types I've heard speculated I'm most okay with Love. That's not to say I like it, but it's the most tolerable.
Quote from: Sirwaddy on May 16, 2013, 07:39:57 PM
I can see how it fits better than Fairy, but like I said I feel it's just been used and abused by a good chunk of the fanbase. It's long since become something I don't want just because so many people want it I guess.
Of the types I've heard speculated I'm most okay with Love. That's not to say I like it, but it's the most tolerable.
What honestly would that fit with? The Attract move and like, Luvdisc. It's even less usable than Fairy IMO.
Quote from: Kayo on May 16, 2013, 08:10:54 PM
What honestly would that fit with? The Attract move and like, Luvdisc. It's even less usable than Fairy IMO.
I'm strictly speaking names.
Usefulness = Light>Fairy>Love, if Love even makes the charts. It's super specific.
Quote from: Sirwaddy on May 16, 2013, 07:39:57 PM
I can see how it fits better than Fairy, but like I said I feel it's just been used and abused by a good chunk of the fanbase. It's long since become something I don't want just because so many people want it I guess.
Of the types I've heard speculated I'm most okay with Love. That's not to say I like it, but it's the most tolerable.
why not just stick with something the fanbase is used to?
i dunno, fairy and love just don't fit in with a game where they're all things like water, grass, electric, dark, steel, rock
maybe fighting would be the off one, but even that isn't really like a fairy of love type deal
I guess. I'm pretty brain dead right now so I don't even know why I'm talking about types. I don't care what they end up doing, I'll accept it eventually.
If Mawile is to be typed Fairy/Steel, it's offenses and defenses will be all over the intercourse ing place.
Steel:
Offensive:
x2: Rock, Ice
1/2: Electric, Fire, Water, Steel
Defensive:
x2: Fire, Fighting, Ground
1/2: Normal, Flying, Rock, Bug, Ghost, Steel, Grass, Psychic, Ice, Dragon, Dark
Immune: Poison
"Fairy":
Offensive:
x2: Dragon, Dark, Fighting
1/2: Fire, Psychic
Defensive:
x2 Poison, Steel
Immune to Dragon
Steel/"Fairy":
Offensive:
x2: Rock, Ice, Dragon, Dark, Fighting
1/2: Psychic, Electric, Fire, Water, Steel
1/4: Fire
Defensive:
x2: Fire, Fighting, Ground
1/2: Normal, Flying, Rock, Bug, Ghost, Steel, Grass, Psychic, Ice, Dragon, Dark
Immune to Poison, Dragon
Considering the Fairy type is meant to be a counter to the Dragon type, the name makes sense to me. Fairies use magic and magic is strong against dragons. And Fairy type fits better with Pokemon than Wizard type.
I think some of the problems some people have with the Fairy type is that they think of fairies as being pretty little people with wings, but there are many kinds of fairies, and not all of them are pretty and certainly not all of the are sweet and nice.
stop intercourse ing up dragons omg my haxorus i'm quitting this game
guys light is a terrible name why does everyone want light.
fairy fits pokemon perfectly, it doesnt matter that it's specific it would work just like grass or steel, and thematically it fits in perfectly with bug and dragon.
Quote from: zephilicious on May 17, 2013, 10:01:01 AM
guys light is a terrible name why does everyone want light.
fairy fits pokemon perfectly, it doesnt matter that it's specific it would work just like grass or steel, and thematically it fits in perfectly with bug and dragon.
light > fairy
go play an rpg you not-nerd
I don't get why people are comparing "Fairy" with Steel and Grass, when the good comparisons would be Ghost and Dragon, which are things that don't really have an element to compare to, but more a being. It fits fine
But will still never happen.
Quote from: JrDude 益 on May 17, 2013, 12:20:35 PM
I don't get why people are comparing "Fairy" with Steel and Grass, when the good comparisons would be Ghost and Dragon, which are things that don't really have an element to compare to, but more a being. It fits fine
But will still never happen.
gee i dunno maybe because there are 17 total types and only 3 of those are similar to fairy
Cool.
Something to balance out dragons and slightly buff Fire/Psychic. I'm okay with this rumor.
Quote from: Zero on May 17, 2013, 03:11:22 PM
Cool.
Something to balance out dragons and slightly buff Fire/Psychic. I'm okay with this rumor.
but muh dragunz
Quote from: Custom on May 17, 2013, 04:08:26 PM
but muh dragunz
Its not like they'll suck if this rumor is true.
Quote from: Custom on May 17, 2013, 01:18:03 PM
gee i dunno maybe because there are 17 total types and only 3 of those are similar to fairy
Because there are 17 types, you're going to compare it to types that aren't even similar at all?
Makes
no sense
Quote from: JrDude 益 on May 17, 2013, 11:32:03 PM
Because there are 17 types, you're going to compare it to types that aren't even similar at all?
Makesno sense
are you dumb
there are 17 types
14 are poop like grass, steel, rock
3 are things like dragon, bug (things that are similar to fairy)
i guess there could be 4 if you counted fighting with the wierd poop but i don't
either way
one is clearly more dominant than the other kid
light would fit in the 14
it makes more sense
Quote from: JrDude 益 on May 17, 2013, 12:20:35 PM
I don't get why people are comparing "Fairy" with Steel and Grass, when the good comparisons would be Ghost and Dragon, which are things that don't really have an element to compare to, but more a being. It fits fine
But will still never happen.
but i compared it to both.
steel and grass work because just like fairy they're specific representations of a broader concept.
Quote from: Custom on May 17, 2013, 11:50:50 PM
are you dumb
there are 17 types
14 are poop like grass, steel, rock
3 are things like dragon, bug (things that are similar to fairy)
i guess there could be 4 if you counted fighting with the wierd poop but i don't
either way
one is clearly more dominant than the other kid
light would fit in the 14
it makes more sense
Kinda I guess.
But it joining the other group makes it the SLIGHTEST ITTY BIT more even. Which is cool.
I don't care about the fact that it fits "better" one way or another. I'm just saying it makes sense and fits in fine.
Still won't happen.
Quote from: Custom on May 17, 2013, 10:13:25 AM
light > fairy
go play an rpg you not-nerd
Psychic is already kind of like the Light type in Pokemon, though.
Quote from: Mona on May 18, 2013, 01:51:01 AM
Psychic is already kind of like the Light type in Pokemon, though.
i'm aware of that
i don't think fairy is doing any more of a justice as a type though
light is far more appropriate, especially outside of japan
Of course just rumors, but this info comes from a source who, back in February, told Pokebeach the correct English names of the four newest Pokemon. So it's at least interesting to read and might make good discussion...
The first set that's in this thread a few pages back:
[spoiler]
- Fairy will be a new type. It is weak to Poison and Steel, immune to Dragon, super effective against Dragon, Dark, and Fighting, and Fire and Psychic-type Pokemon take half damage from it.
- Sylveon is Fairy-type. Some older Pokemon will be reclassified to Fairy, such as Mawile (Steel/Fairy).
- Mewtwo has two new formes, not just one. Both are activated via items.
- The professor's English name is Patrice.
- The Starter final evolutions are Fire/Psychic, Grass/Dark, and Water/Fighting.
- The first Gym is Bug, the second is Fairy, and the fourth is Fighting.
- A few attacks will be dual-typed.
- There will be a new type of battling style that Flying-type Pokemon and Pokemon with Levitate can participate in.
- You will be able to see a Pokemon's EVs at a certain in-game facility. You will be able to boost the EVs through mini-games. It will take about two hours to get one stat to max EVs.
[/spoiler]
The rest of what the source told Pokebeach (released today):
[spoiler]
- Pancham evolves into Pangoro in the early level 30s. In order to evolve Pancham into Pangoro, you need to have one other Dark-type Pokemon in your party. Pangoro's type is Fighting/Dark.
- A Pokemon named Inkay evolves into Malimar. To evolve it, you have to hold your 3DS upside-down when it levels up (the 3DS has an accelerometer and gyroscope, so it can detect that). Malimar's type is Dark/Psychic.
- A Psychic-type Pokemon named Espurr (ESP + purr) evolves into Meowstick (Meow + mystic?). (Sounds like Psychic-type cats. Meowstick's name sounds too similar to Meowth to me though.)
- Like in B/W you have two rivals - one is friendly and the other is competitive. Your rival that is more friendly gives you his/her fully evolved starter Pokemon after you beat the game.
- Another professor named Sycamore gives you either Bulbasaur, Charmander, or Squirtle.
- Even though it shows the player riding on a Gogoat in the new trailer, players can't ride on their own Pokemon. What was shown is just an alternate way of getting around Lumiose City and it only works with Gogoat.
- HMs still exist but there's a lot less of them.
- Players will be able to see their Pokemon's EVs (probably through the same in-game facility mentioned in the other post).
- A new move, Belch, is a Poison-type attack that has a base power of 120. The user must consume a held Berry to perform it.
- Draining Kiss is a Fairy-type attack that heals the user for the same amount of damage performed. It has a base power of 60.
- If the previously revealed forme of Mewtwo can be said to look roughly similar to Mewtwo's original design, the second supposed form of Mewtwo can be said to look roughly/vaguely similar to Mew's design.
- In case you missed our correction the other day, the Starters' final evolutions are Fire/Psychic, Grass/Dark, and Water/Fighting.
[/spoiler]
I think I'm starting to be okay with a new type
I wish thi sgame was out now, I'm really excited for it
I just wish they would bring the pokewalker back
i used it for like three weeks
i think my shiny pichu is still trapped inside it and the battery is dead
I think I've got a wooper in there.
At the very least they could make an app of sorts or something in the game itself that lets the pedometer level up the pokemon.
Speaking of apps, depending on how much box space we get in X/Y I'd like a Ranch-esque storage app because the Wii one was helpful
No... please... no apps... apps are ruining my life...
Espurr could be a catified version of Espur, but I'm not relying on these sources yet.
Why is everyone getting so upset about "fairy" type? If anything, it's like ghost type.
Quote from: Britz on May 19, 2013, 07:35:21 PM
Why is everyone getting so upset about "fairy" type? If anything, it's like ghost type.
cuz it's poop and was bad in yu-gi-oh
and light type was cool as intercourse in yu-gi-oh
Quote from: Custom on May 19, 2013, 07:40:37 PM
and light type was cool as intercourse in yu-gi-oh
Why are you even comparing two different game franchises?
Quote from: Britz on May 19, 2013, 07:47:57 PM
Why are you even comparing two different game franchises?
cuz they're both franchises with monsters that battle each other that all have types and stuff
and i feel like yu-gi-oh honestly has a more creative well at this point and if they couldn't do tons of cool things with the fairy type then nothing cool will happen with the type in these games, we'll just get a bunch of old poopty pokemon retyped
but i feel like light has a lot of potential for cool new pokedudes
well for yugioh's "creative well" they're not limited to animal-like creatures that can only say their name, they make cards out of quite literally anything.
fairy type is a poopty name though
light type is poopty too but preferable
A Type in Yugioh isn't the same as a Type in Pokemon, Attributes are. In Yugioh, Fairy is a Type under the Light Attribute and Types are very specific such as the Sea Serpent or Zombie or Dinosaur Type (real yugioh types). Pokemon doesn't have this sub-type system so comparing the two in that sense doesn't work.
That said, Fairy/Light seem like they'd be synonymous in the Pokemon world, so it doesn't really matter which we end up with.
Why doesn't fairy type have it's resistances listed? It has an immunity and weaknesses, but no resistances?
also pokemon likely to be retyped
Cleffa/Clefairy/Clefable
Igglybuff/Jigglypuff/Wigglytuff
Happiny/Chansey/Blissey
Togepi/Togetic/Togekiss
Snubbull/Granbull
Mawile - only because it was mentioned in the leak
Audino
Meloetta
i can also see the whismur line, and chimeco line be changed
hopefully none of the legendaries but if they do, the lake trio and manaphy/phione
Quote from: The Riddler on May 19, 2013, 10:23:32 PM
Why doesn't fairy type have it's resistances listed? It has an immunity and weaknesses, but no resistances?
also pokemon likely to be retyped
Cleffa/Clefairy/Clefable
Igglybuff/Jigglypuff/Wigglytuff
Happiny/Chansey/Blissey
Togepi/Togetic/Togekiss
Snubbull/Granbull
Mawile - only because it was mentioned in the leak
Audino
Meloetta
i can also see the whismur line, and chimeco line be changed
hopefully none of the legendaries but if they do, the lake trio and manaphy/phione
I see Celebi more than Manaphy or Phione.
Celebi I don't think they'll touch because it's already a dual/non-normal type legendary
Quote from: The Riddler on May 19, 2013, 10:11:29 PM
well for yugioh's "creative well" they're not limited to animal-like creatures that can only say their name, they make cards out of quite literally anything.
fairy type is a poopty name though
light type is poopty too but preferable
ice cream and garbage
i dont see the big deal about fairy types
WHO CARES
you have a pokemon called Clefairy already. It's in the name. Get over it.
Quote from: Zero on May 20, 2013, 03:30:14 AM
i dont see the big deal about fairy types
WHO CARES
you have a pokemon called Clefairy already. It's in the name. Get over it.
Quote from: Zero on May 20, 2013, 03:30:14 AM
i dont see the big deal about fairy types
WHO CARES
you have a pokemon called Clefairy already. It's in the name. Get over it.
1 pokemon vs a whole type of pokemon
Quote from: Custom on May 20, 2013, 04:58:44 AM
1 pokemon vs a whole type of pokemon
A better example would be the Fairy egg group, no?
I may be in the minority here(I hope I'm not), but we do need a new type. At the very least, competitive Pokemon does. Steels, Fighting and Dragons are far too good and Fire and Psychic pokemon suck.
This is why the rumor is too good to be true, if you ask me.
Quote from: Zero on May 20, 2013, 05:01:17 AM
A better example would be the Fairy egg group, no?
I may be in the minority here(I hope I'm not), but we do need a new type. At the very least, competitive Pokemon does. Steels, Fighting and Dragons are far too good and Fire and Psychic pokemon suck.
This is why the rumor is too good to be true, if you ask me.
not really. if anything that's more of a reason not to have the type called fairy
i'm ok with a new type, i'm just not okay with fairy type. especially if this new type just defaults pink and cute looking pokemon to being 'fairy'
that's bullpoop
i think light type can do some more creative things
and i feel gamefreak hasn't been TOO creative lately
i really think they'd intercourse up a fairy type and it'll be real poopty
Quote from: Custom on May 20, 2013, 05:10:38 AM
not really. if anything that's more of a reason not to have the type called fairy
That makes absolutely no sense at all.
You do realize there's also a Dragon egg group, right?
As well as Bug
and Flying
and Grass
and three Water groups.
Quote from: Mona on May 20, 2013, 05:15:00 AM
That makes absolutely no sense at all.
You do realize there's also a Dragon egg group, right?
As well as Bug
and Flying
and Grass
and three Water groups.
oh
if that's all true then fairy is confirmed to be a poop type
Quote from: Custom on May 20, 2013, 05:17:31 AM
oh
if that's all true then fairy is confirmed to be a poop type
A good bit of the Pokemon in the Fairy egg group are normal. Changing them into a fairy type might make some of the weaker ones actually useful (like Skitty). So, I really don't see your logic here.
I'm totally fine with Fairy, but if the made a Light type and Ampharos became Electric/Light, that would be amazing.
Quote from: Mona on May 20, 2013, 06:35:01 AM
A good bit of the Pokemon in the Fairy egg group are normal. Changing them into a fairy type might make some of the weaker ones actually useful (like Skitty). So, I really don't see your logic here.
oh i just mean design wise
nobody really knows what they could do with moves yet
It would be pretty upsetting if anything pink essentially became Fairy type, that'd be pretty big bullpoop. Here's to hoping gamefreak isn't that stupid.
So in that sense I can see Light happening more because it will allow for less of a pink=fairy thing and any Pokemon would essentially be fair game in both retyping and creating new designs.
they should call it pink type
or kawaii type
Ugh. You guys have such a limited view on what a fairy is.
Quote from: Mona on May 20, 2013, 09:26:47 AM
Ugh. You guys have such a limited view on what a fairy is.
no i don't
but gamefreak does
http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/wiki/Fairy_%28Egg_Group%29
What he said
Quote from: Mona on May 20, 2013, 09:26:47 AM
Ugh. You guys have such a limited view on what a fairy is.
It sounds pretty faggy.
Quote from: Sirwaddy on May 20, 2013, 11:35:34 AM
Now that's a limited view.
I have a wide, accepting view. Either way, saying "light" or "love" or "fairy" sounds poofy and really let's-hold-hands-and-be-friends. What kid would go out and be excited that they caught a "fairy" type Pokemon? Very few.
Pretty. Fucking. Faggy.
Quote from: intercourse on May 20, 2013, 11:38:13 AM
I have a wide, accepting view. Either way, saying "light" or "love" or "fairy" sounds poofy and really let's-hold-hands-and-be-friends. What kid would go out and be excited that they caught a "fairy" type Pokemon? Very few.
Pretty. Fucking. Faggy.
You have a "wide, accepting view" yet you're completely against the idea of a Pokemon type being more lighthearted or whimsical than most, insisting that kids will not be excited about the Pokemon belonging to said type. Then you continue to call it "faggy".
You can have your views but don't bullpoop people and say they're wide and accepting.
Quote from: Sirwaddy on May 20, 2013, 11:35:34 AM
Now that's a limited view.
Fair enough.
Quote from: intercourse on May 20, 2013, 11:38:13 AM
I have a wide, accepting view. Either way, saying "light" or "love" or "fairy" sounds poofy and really let's-hold-hands-and-be-friends. What kid would go out and be excited that they caught a "fairy" type Pokemon? Very few.
Pretty. Fucking. Faggy.
Fairies aren't really all about hand holding and being friends. Most are mischievous and nearly all of them would pluck your eyes out if you could see them.
Also by "kids" I assume you just mean male kids which, also, is a limited view.
Quote from: Custom on May 20, 2013, 05:10:38 AM
not really. if anything that's more of a reason not to have the type called fairy
i'm ok with a new type, i'm just not okay with fairy type. especially if this new type just defaults pink and cute looking pokemon to being 'fairy'
that's bullpoop
i think light type can do some more creative things
and i feel gamefreak hasn't been TOO creative lately
i really think they'd intercourse up a fairy type and it'll be real poopty
I agree, but think about it. Helioptile in particular could be a light type because its basically photosynthetic or whatever and stores solar energy, but instead its electric/normal. Espeon is a psychic type that changes into this form when exposed to the sun with max happiness. A lot of grass and electric pokemon seem to have inspiration from light oriented stuff, specifically sunlight.
If they made a light type, I think it'd be a lot more difficult to properly execute than this rumored Fairy type. Isn't it rumored that Mawile is a fairy type? That Pokemon isn't pink, so what makes you think that all Fairy types will be pink? Jiggs and Clefairy? Sylveon?
Pink will be part of it but who cares. I just want Steel and Dragon to be nerfed.
Here's the reason "Fairy" sucks.
It limits it to creatures that are fairy-like. Sure there are lots of kinds of fairies, but every single other type includes all kinds of creatures and justifies their type with what the creature is like.
Fire type Dog - Growlithe
Water Type Bug - Surskit
etc
Fairy types will all be fairies in some shape or form and is just lame, there is nothing but "cute" available to it.
Dragon and Ghost are at least open to different things.
who even cares anymoreee
it's not like it'll change the image of pokemon or anything, idk I was really against it but now I just don't care if we do get a new type
What she said
At least we'll get new Pokemon and XY news weekly now so there'll better things to talk about
Quote from: The Riddler on May 20, 2013, 05:36:36 PM
Here's the reason "Fairy" sucks.
It limits it to creatures that are fairy-like. Sure there are lots of kinds of fairies, but every single other type includes all kinds of creatures and justifies their type with what the creature is like.
Fire type Dog - Growlithe
Water Type Bug - Surskit
etc
Fairy types will all be fairies in some shape or form and is just lame, there is nothing but "cute" available to it.
Dragon and Ghost are at least open to different things.
Just based on existing pokemon we could come up with dogs (granbull), fish (luvdisc, alomomola, milotic), cows? (audino), plants (bellossom, lilligant), and whatever the intercourse pokemon like mawile are.
if dragon didnt exist already you'd all be whining that dragon pokemon will all be big and scaly.
Cow?
It's a poopty addition to the type list. Okay, saying it's faggy is bigoted and closed minded. It lacks the merit to appeal to a wide audience. You vaginas aren't changing my mind here.
Quote from: The Riddler on May 20, 2013, 05:36:36 PM
Fairy types will all be fairies in some shape or form and is just lame, there is nothing but "cute" available to it.
Dragon and Ghost are at least open to different things.
How is Fairy any less restricted than Dragons? Are you intercourse ing high? Every dragon type is a Dragon or Dino in some way.
This is all pure conjecture on your part anyway. How do you know that GF won't be creative with the type?
Quote from: Zero on May 20, 2013, 08:34:13 PM
How is Fairy any less restricted than Dragons? Are you intercourse ing high? Every dragon type is a Dragon or Dino in some way.
This is all pure conjecture on your part anyway. How do you know that GF won't be creative with the type?
because gamefreak isn't creative anymore and Altaria is a sort of not dragon although it's a bit of a stretch to say it isn't a dragon how about flygon only sort of a dragon too wow you sure arent samt.
Quote from: intercourse on May 22, 2013, 09:08:12 AM
because gamefreak isn't creative anymore and Altaria is a sort of not dragon although it's a bit of a stretch to say it isn't a dragon how about flygon only sort of a dragon too wow you sure arent samt.
Altaria is based off Chinese creatures that are called "Peng", they have bird like bodies,
dragon-like heads, and whiskers.
Flygon is based off of the adult stage of the antlion, which looks like a
Dragonfly.
Kingdra is a seahorse, and asians think they're water
dragons.
You may now try again.
pokemanz
Though you may or may not believe me, I did at one point switch to the "... maybe it IS Possible they made a new type" but never said anything because I didn't WANT to believe it.
Turns out... Fairy is a thing. Only a handful of Pokémon made the switch as far as I heard.
I hope no one saw my invisible text saying it could never be a thiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiing...
Yep, Fairy type is a thing and Sylveon is a Fairy!
We also have some new Pokemon:
[spoiler](http://www.pokemonxy.com/_ui/img/_en/art/Noivern-Pokemon-X-and-Y.jpg)
Noivern
(http://www.pokemonxy.com/_ui/img/_en/art/Vivillon-Pokemon-X-and-Y.jpg)
Vivillon
Yeah, another butterfly Pokemon. I like its design, though...
There hasn't been a single Pokemon this gen that I haven't liked so far.[/spoiler]
i'm upset that gardevoir is retyped to fairy
intercourse dat noise
Quote from: Custom on June 11, 2013, 06:26:41 AM
i'm upset that gardevoir is retyped to fairy
intercourse dat noise
I'm actually excited about that. It's strong against Dragon types now!
Quote from: Mona on June 11, 2013, 06:33:28 AM
I'm actually excited about that. It's strong against Dragon types now!
if you effectively use it in its current form tho you'll have to lose some coverage making it not as well rounded as it was before
now you'll have to make a choice and it'll get wrecked in situations it used to be able to handle
bLEhhehhh h rip my team
(http://24.media.tumblr.com/b77baaaafdab858984f258eea82777d2/tumblr_mo8g7uCikL1qkdb17o1_250.gif)
Quote from: Custom on June 11, 2013, 06:48:00 AM
if you effectively use it in its current form tho you'll have to lose some coverage making it not as well rounded as it was before
now you'll have to make a choice and it'll get wrecked in situations it used to be able to handle
bLEhhehhh h rip my team
it was a mediocre psychic type, albeit one with Trace
Depending on how the Fairy type works into the type chart, it could actually make it a lot better of a Pokemon.
Quote from: zephilicious on February 14, 2013, 10:32:09 AM
I'm sticking with Fairy if it's a new type. it fits better than all the other poop types people are throwing around.
dont mind me ill just be over here calling poop since february
Quote from: zephilicious on June 11, 2013, 07:07:16 AM
dont mind me ill just be over here calling poop since february
PokeBeach has screenshots showing three new Pokemon!
[spoiler](http://pokebeach.com/news/0613/pokemon-x-y-e3-new-pokemon-1.jpg)
(http://pokebeach.com/news/0613/pokemon-x-y-e3-new-pokemon-2.jpg)
(http://pokebeach.com/news/0613/pokemon-x-y-e3-new-pokemon-3.jpg)
The bird looks like its probably a Fletchling evolution.
Edit: Rear shots.
(http://pokebeach.com/news/0613/pokemon-x-y-e3-new-pokemon-1b.jpg)
(http://pokebeach.com/news/0613/pokemon-x-y-e3-new-pokemon-3b.jpg)[/spoiler]
the first two look like complete poop
the lobster looks like top tier
Quote from: The Riddler on June 11, 2013, 06:52:00 AM
(http://24.media.tumblr.com/b77baaaafdab858984f258eea82777d2/tumblr_mo8g7uCikL1qkdb17o1_250.gif)
(https://fbcdn-sphotos-e-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-ash3/993533_468227383263554_426731853_n.jpg)
(https://fbcdn-sphotos-g-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-ash3/1017070_468448023241490_1123904954_n.jpg)
The last one has the most uninspired name in a while. Flametalon.
also flying/levitating pokemon only "sky battles" and 1v5 "horde battles".
A cool/tough-looking bat Pokemon? Pinch me I'm dreaming.
Also, I want an Ice-type orca and a not-sucky anteater more than anything.
I like Flametalon, but wow what an edgy name
[spoiler](http://www.serebii.net/corocoro6133.jpg)[/spoiler] - Kofukimushi, Spewpa & Vivillon
[spoiler](http://www.serebii.net/corocoro6134.jpg)[/spoiler] - Shishiko - Lion Cub pokemon, Fire/Normal
[spoiler](http://www.serebii.net/corocoro6135.jpg)[/spoiler] - Furabebe - Fairy
Everything is so effing cute! opdxsgjdag;n
guys its talonflame only 90% edgy and who cares fire/flying sucks no one will use it
Quote from: zephilicious on June 12, 2013, 06:32:27 AM
guys its talonflame only 90% edgy and who cares fire/flying sucks no one will use it
a little early to say for sure
early rumors point to fire getting buffed
but yeah floaty stones
all the new pokemon have names now
the lion cub is litleo
the caterpillar line are scatterbug, spewpa, and vivillon
the bat thing is noivern (noise/wyvern)
the lobster isn't a lobster, it's a pistol shrimp, and it's name is clauncher
the weird seahorse/krill thing is Skrelp.
the fairy on a flower is Flabébé
also Fletchling evolves into Talonflame.
i intercourse ing love that it's a pistol shrimp
Noivern looks aawwwweeesssoooommmeeee.
Oh, he's a Dragon, that's actually a little disappointing. And a Flying/Dragon? Egh... we'll see, but I already have a some good dragons.
A new pokemon was shown at Japan Expo in France
[spoiler](http://pokebeach.com/news/0713/hitotsuki.jpg)
(http://pokebeach.com/news/0713/hitotsuki-2.jpg)
(http://pokebeach.com/news/0713/hitotsuki-3.jpg)[/spoiler]
It's Ghost/Steel
cotton candy pokemon confirmed dessert team here i come
also squid and pancham's evolution
pancham's evolution is actually pretty decent looking
and fairy type for xerneas but i think we all figured that one out already.
clauncher and skrelp are x and y version exclusives
I do think it's weird Xerneas doesn't have two types like Yveltal, but I'm thankful they aren't dragon-type. I've been tired of that trend. Also I like that the squids are Dark/Psychic. We're getting lots of new typing this gen it seems.
if the pokebeach leaks are still accurate fairy by itself is kind of a poopty type. fairy/steel would have been fantastic on xerneas.
Yeah this seemed to prove those leaked rumors from a while back, since Drain Kiss is real, and Pancham's evolution is Dark/Fighting. Especially since the squid is known as the rotation pokemon, it makes sense to have to rotate the 3ds to evolve it.
Quote from: zephilicious on July 11, 2013, 09:13:07 AM
cotton candy pokemon confirmed dessert team here i come
^ This.
Also I'm loving the squids omg.
The new pink fairy Pokemon reminds me of the fairies in Ni No Kuni. I'm thinking of naming mine Mrs. Drippy.
Well all the dub names match up with http://pokebeach.com/2013/06/pokebeach-x-y-rumor-roundup-and-clarifications from
At this point it's safe to expect everything mentioned there that we haven't already seen.
Pangoro is panda Ursaring, but I love it.
I hope there's no Dual Typed attacks, that would be dumb.
Three new announced Pokemon, Gogoat's prevo, a rabbit, and a hamster.
[spoiler](http://www.serebii.net/corocoro8131.jpg)[/spoiler]
And... new evolutions/forms? >Fourth Evolutions for some of them if evolutions. - Later, Pokemon.
"First off are various "Mega" forms of various Pokémon, specifically MegaBlaziken, MegaAbsol, MegaMawile, MegaMewtwo, MegaLucario and MegaAmpharos. They're all called "Mega". MegaMawile is Steel/Fairy-type, as is normal Mawile now. MegaMawile has the ability Huge Power. MegaBlaziken has Speed Boost. MegaLucario has Adaptability. MegaAbsol has the ability Magic Bounce. MegaMewtwo has the ability Insomnia. MegaAmpharos is Electric/Dragon and has the ability Mold Breaker
They "evolve" through a process called "Mega Evolution""
[spoiler](http://www.serebii.net/corocoro8132.jpg)[/spoiler]
OH MY GOSH MEGA AMPHAROS DRAGON SO MAJESTIC GAMEFREAK HAVE MY BABIES
Quote from: Neerb on August 08, 2013, 06:45:40 AM
OH MY GOSH MEGA AMPHAROS DRAGON SO MAJESTIC GAMEFREAK HAVE MY BABIES
Fourth Evolution/Formes for Past Non-Legendary Pokemon called "Mega"
No. This is bad, they've gone Digimon.
Fourth evolutions are bad.
mega evolution seems a bit much lol
and omg ampharos
jfc
is this a commercial for l'oreal?
i really like the new pikachu clone guy tho
Quote from: RazorFilledCandy on August 08, 2013, 07:13:36 AM
mega evolution seems a bit much lol
and omg ampharos
jfc
is this a commercial for l'oreal?
i really like the new pikachu clone guy tho
The hamster/gerbil?
Yeah it's cute.
Also the rabbit isn't terrible. Way better than Buneary, I think.
Quote from: RazorFilledCandy on August 08, 2013, 07:13:36 AM
mega evolution seems a bit much lol
and omg ampharos
jfc
is this a commercial for l'oreal?
I shall call him Fabio.
Quote from: The Riddler on August 08, 2013, 07:19:30 AM
The hamster/gerbil?
Yeah it's cute.
Also the rabbit isn't terrible. Way better than Buneary, I think.
i really like the rabbit too
and the little goat dude
so far im liking 6th gen pokemon way more than 5th
except for those mega evolutions, those SUCK
Quote from: Neerb on August 08, 2013, 07:23:31 AM
I shall call him Fabio.
[spoiler](http://i48.photobucket.com/albums/f214/jack_luvr1800/sorrynotsorry.png)[/spoiler]
sorry not sorry
Quote from: RazorFilledCandy on August 08, 2013, 08:11:14 AM
[spoiler](http://i48.photobucket.com/albums/f214/jack_luvr1800/sorrynotsorry.png)[/spoiler]
sorry not sorry
Glorious.
Lucario is getting an evolution?
lmao talk about OP
megaevolution actually sounds cool
those pokemon look cool as intercourse
I'M BACK IN GUY S
Quote from: The Riddler on August 08, 2013, 06:51:10 AM
Fourth Evolution/Formes for Past Non-Legendary Pokemon called "Mega"
No. This is bad, they've gone Digimon.
Fourth evolutions are bad.
shtu the intercourse up ninny get wreccked megaevolutions slicing through your ass
i'm super into this
they flopped and intercourse ed up with poopty fairy type
but this is intercourse ing rad
i can't wait to have teams of super warrior pokemon
we've intercourse ing needed 4th evos
pokemone was getting super stale unless you're a big weirdo manchild like riddler
this is IT
I'M GOING TO HAVE SSJ4 POKEMON
fourth evolutions are poope
they look like poope too
this is digimon poop
http://digimon.wikia.com/wiki/MegaSeadramon
http://digimon.wikia.com/wiki/Megadramon
http://digimon.wikia.com/wiki/MegaKabuterimon
http://digimon.wikia.com/wiki/MegaGargomon
how are 4th evos make it completely better lol its just another evolution? i dont see the big change, its still pokemon
adding a new type seems pretty cool, 4th evos are ok i guess, i dont really like the designs, but its not like its OMG GAME CHANGING
this is also gonna make all fanboys even more annoying
CHARIZARD NEEDS A MEGA EVOLUTION
LOPUNNY NEEDS A MEGA EVOLUTION
ARCEUS NEEDS A MEGA EVOLUTION
ALSO GARDEVOIR GENGAR ZAPDOS AND ENTEI NEED MEGA EVOLUTIONS
they gave examples of just about every kind of pokemon you can think of so everyone will think everything needs an evolution
Starters? Blaziken gets a mega evolution.
Stage 1 Pokemon? Mawile and Absol.
Stage 2 Pokemon? Lucario!
Stage 3 Pokemon? Ampharos!
Legendary Pokemon? Mewtwo!
Quote from: RazorFilledCandy on August 08, 2013, 09:33:07 AM
how are 4th evos make it completely better lol its just another evolution? i dont see the big change, its still pokemon
adding a new type seems pretty cool, 4th evos are ok i guess, i dont really like the designs, but its not like its OMG GAME CHANGING
do you know how pokemon works???
Quote from: The Riddler on August 08, 2013, 09:32:13 AM
fourth evolutions are poope
they look like poope too
this is digimon poop
http://digimon.wikia.com/wiki/MegaSeadramon
http://digimon.wikia.com/wiki/Megadramon
http://digimon.wikia.com/wiki/MegaKabuterimon
http://digimon.wikia.com/wiki/MegaGargomon
holy poop you're dumb as hell
you're posting links to digimon poop to show me that the pokemon stuff that already exists and is real will be bad?
way to go dumbass
Quote from: Custom on August 08, 2013, 09:49:03 AM
do you know how pokemon works???
yes i do, but how are new evolutions so game changing that youre overhyped about them lol
Quote from: RazorFilledCandy on August 08, 2013, 09:53:20 AM
yes i do, but how are new evolutions so game changing that youre overhyped about them lol
it'd be one thing if it was new level 3 evolutions
but level 4 evos that aren't legendary ( or are these pseudo legendary things) completely change up competitive game.
it's gon be rad as helll
Quote from: Custom on August 08, 2013, 10:01:46 AM
it'd be one thing if it was new level 3 evolutions
but level 4 evos that aren't legendary ( or are these pseudo legendary things) completely change up competitive game.
it's gon be rad as helll
but you barely even play competitively! lol
and what if they become banned?
So Ampharos' Japanese name, the one he's always had, since the Game Boy Color, LITERALLY means "Electric Dragon."
Conspiracyyyyy
Quote from: RazorFilledCandy on August 08, 2013, 10:05:06 AM
but you barely even play competitively! lol
and what if they become banned?
It's a matter of fact that Speed Boost Blaziken is already banned, so there's that. Or, maybe Megas will be SO broken that they'll have to change the metagame entirely and everyone that used to be great will suck now.
or, you know, ban them entirely or make a "mega tier"
Quote from: RazorFilledCandy on August 08, 2013, 10:05:06 AM
but you barely even play competitively! lol
and what if they become banned?
yes that is a true fact 100% and it is relevant to discussion if i don't participate the whole competitive scene is over
there is always a place for ubers, just not in ou which is what i was interested in exclusively during black/white
Quote from: The Riddler on August 08, 2013, 10:09:03 AM
or, you know, ban them entirely or make a "mega tier"
this is likely what will happen
Quote from: Custom on August 08, 2013, 10:20:20 AM
yes that is a true fact 100% and it is relevant to discussion if i don't participate the whole competitive scene is over
there is always a place for ubers, just not in ou which is what i was interested in exclusively during black/white
well kind of, youre getting hyped because oh man the competitive scene will change but you dont really participate in it so im not understanding why your super duper hyped about the megas, like you can like how they look and stuff who cares but your hyping that the game will be changed 5ever just because of the megas lol like im seeing your hype as the hype we got for b/w and then it just came crashing down when we realized we were hyping for nothing
i dont know im still not seeing it
Quote from: RazorFilledCandy on August 08, 2013, 10:28:32 AM
well kind of, youre getting hyped because oh man the competitive scene will change but you dont really participate in it so im not understanding why your super duper hyped about the megas, like you can like how they look and stuff who cares but your hyping that the game will be changed 5ever just because of the megas lol like im seeing your hype as the hype we got for b/w and then it just came crashing down when we realized we were hyping for nothing
i dont know im still not seeing it
i've wanted 4th evos forever
we got 4th evos
i think they're rad
they're probably going to have stat boots that don't completely break them but make them strong as intercourse or completely break them and make them strong as intercourse
it will be interesting seeing them used in the competitive scene regardless
what's the problem i don't understand
gen 7 stage 5 evolutions called ultimate evolutions, and poke-fusions
guys thy're alternate forms like mewtwo stop talking about evolutions
Quote from: zephilicious on August 08, 2013, 10:37:54 AM
guys thy're alternate forms like mewtwo stop talking about evolutions
they're literally called "mega evolutions"
oh i only read the first sentence because im too cool for this
Quote from: zephilicious on August 08, 2013, 10:38:52 AM
oh i only read the first sentence because im too cool for this
it's ok that's how i feel about most pokemon updates
well this only works if lots of pokemon get them. or if they're scizor tier evolutions.
otherwise they all get banned.
I'd be more okay with it if it wasn't a fourth stage and they had good names.
(http://www.serebii.net/corocoro8136.jpg)
Fourth stage starters irks me.
starters would be fine if it was all of them. if it's just blaziken we have a big problem.
Quote from: Custom on August 08, 2013, 10:32:39 AM
i've wanted 4th evos forever
we got 4th evos
i think they're rad
they're probably going to have stat boots that don't completely break them but make them strong as intercourse or completely break them and make them strong as intercourse
it will be interesting seeing them used in the competitive scene regardless
what's the problem i don't understand
i just dont see how this is making pokemon not... stale?
i thought the pokewalker was a cool new feature, but i dont see how 4th evos are like woah look at that its so GREAT w000ah STRONG POKEMON its like its never happened
and they may not be evolutions but a sort of... form change i guess, since legendaries dont evolve and in the mewtwo trailer it just kind of changes
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IG_8BUpBArs
Quote from: zephilicious on August 08, 2013, 10:42:51 AM
well this only works if lots of pokemon get them. or if they're scizor tier evolutions.
otherwise they all get banned.
the way i see it they're goign to be thrown into uber or get their own category (if lots get it)
i don't see 4th evos staying in ou
they won't just ban all megas same as they don't just ban all legendaries. depends on stuff.
Quote from: zephilicious on August 08, 2013, 10:49:31 AM
they won't just ban all megas same as they don't just ban all legendaries. depends on stuff.
well yeah
we just don't know enough about them to be able to tell what gamefreak is going to do with these dudes
Quote from: RazorFilledCandy on August 08, 2013, 10:48:21 AM
i just dont see how this is making pokemon not... stale?
i thought the pokewalker was a cool new feature, but i dont see how 4th evos are like woah look at that its so GREAT w000ah STRONG POKEMON its like its never happened
and they may not be evolutions but a sort of... form change i guess, since legendaries dont evolve and in the mewtwo trailer it just kind of changes
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IG_8BUpBArs
for me this makes the game exciting
if you're not interested in the competitive scene this probably doesn't do anything for you lol
(http://i48.photobucket.com/albums/f214/jack_luvr1800/howdoknow.png)
bulbagarden posted this earlier, but idk where they got that info from
Quote from: RazorFilledCandy on August 08, 2013, 10:53:07 AM
(http://i48.photobucket.com/albums/f214/jack_luvr1800/howdoknow.png)
bulbagarden posted this earlier, but idk where they got that info from
that's even crazier holy SHIT
super saiyans confirmed for game
the pokebeach leaks also said mewtwo form was item based, though that could mean anything.
Quote from: RazorFilledCandy on August 08, 2013, 10:53:07 AM
(http://i48.photobucket.com/albums/f214/jack_luvr1800/howdoknow.png)
bulbagarden posted this earlier, but idk where they got that info from
Blaziken: BEHOLD MY MEGA FO-
Poliwrath: Lol, no. *Uses Knock Off*
Even though they're called Mega Evolutions, it sounds to me that they work more like forms. Meaning a Mega Pokemon can revert back to what it was before.
I'm hoping that Blaziken isn't the only past starter that ends up having a Mega Evolution. It would make a Gen 3 remake awkward... Everyone would just pick Torchic.
Quote from: Mona on August 08, 2013, 04:32:41 PM
It would make a Gen 3 remake awkward... Everyone would just pick Torchic.
So, regular Gen 3.
Also, the item thing could single-handedly put some of them back in their place. They can never use Focus Sash, Leftovers, Life Orb, Berries, or tons of other strategic things, and freaking everyone will have Knock-Off on their team just like everyone has Rapid Spin thanks to Stealth Rock. PLUS, Competitive rules already prevent multiple items, which means you can never have more than one Mega.
The item thing is speculation.
Remember other pokemon evolve by holding items.
Quote from: Neerb on August 08, 2013, 07:03:40 PM
So, regular Gen 3.
Also, the item thing could single-handedly put some of them back in their place. They can never use Focus Sash, Leftovers, Life Orb, Berries, or tons of other strategic things, and freaking everyone will have Knock-Off on their team just like everyone has Rapid Spin thanks to Stealth Rock. PLUS, Competitive rules already prevent multiple items, which means you can never have more than one Mega.
treeko top tier mointercourse a
We're going to need some bulkier Pokemon if we're getting Pokemon like Mega Lucario and Mega Blaziken holy poop
VIDEO!!!!!!!!!!!!
IT'S OVER NINE-THOUSAAAAAAAND!!!!!!!Other news: there's now an in-game EV tracker, and there will be an activity called "Super Training" which lets you boost a BASE stat of your Pokemon.
Mega Lucario has Adaptability
man, Knock Off's usage is going to skyrocket isn't it?
The English official website says Mega Lucario and Mega Blaziken have increased Attack while Mega Mewtwo has increased Special Attack. Also, the Torchic holding Blazikenite (Blaziken's Mega Stone) will also have its Hidden Ability, meaning it's a Speed Boost Torchic regardless of whether or not you use the Mega Stone, and it will be distributed via Nintendo Network starting when the game launches October 12.
I feel like Porygon-Z will get one, any they will call it Porygon-XYZ
Maybe.
But they need a robotic Pokémon to have Mega Evolution, and everyone should nickname it Megas XLR.
Also this will create a very angry world of nerds because not ALL Pokémon will get them, only special ones.
It will also create LOTS of artwork of fan-Mega.
Also, the only thing they didn't make a Mega of, is a Pokémon's 1st or 2nd form, that also evolves. (EX: Pikachu)
Also, the mouse thing looks exactly like Raichu. I was like, positive there was a connection, but I found none.
MEGA BREEDING?
the video confirmed it was battle only
Quote from: The Riddler on August 09, 2013, 09:29:20 AM
the video confirmed it was battle only
Mid-battle is the best time to breed.
Quote from: Neerb on August 09, 2013, 09:52:40 AM
Mid-battle is the best time to breed.
your sig is the best
Quote from: Neerb on August 09, 2013, 03:18:11 AM
Other news: there's now an in-game EV tracker, and there will be an activity called "Super Training" which lets you boost a BASE stat of your Pokemon.
So hey, no one's talking about this yet.
Do you guys like or hate this?
I love it. It looks like fun.
Quote from: Mona on August 09, 2013, 06:30:57 PM
So hey, no one's talking about this yet.
Do you guys like or hate this?
I love it. It looks like fun.
i like the ev tracker a lot lol no more second guessing myself
Serebii apparently found out that you can only have one Mega on your team, period. Not sure how the game would enforce that. Also, your Pokemon will revert after the battle has ended, which is good news, as it had been speculated that you would revert after just a couple turns and that would have been awful.
Our little tyke is finally doing something!
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BRUdK1UCQAEY4nW.jpg:large)
Introducing Mega Kangaskhan, which has the ability Parental Bond that allows its (their?) attacks to hit twice.
Kangaskhan: My little girl is growing! Mama is so proud.
Quote from: DededeCloneChris on August 10, 2013, 06:25:06 AM
Our little tyke is finally doing something!
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BRUdK1UCQAEY4nW.jpg:large)
Introducing Mega Kangaskhan, which has the ability Parental Bond that allows its (their?) attacks to hit twice.
Kangaskhan: My little girl is growing! Mama is so proud.
This needed to be done without the Mega poop. And I was always a fan of the Cubone theory, so I was hoping he'd look more like Cubone out of the pouch. Bah.
wait a tick, they made the baby kangaskhan mega himself
(http://cdn.bulbagarden.net/upload/5/5a/GoodBabyKanga.png)
Quote from: The Riddler on August 10, 2013, 07:27:03 AM
wait a tick, they made the baby kangaskhan mega himself
(http://cdn.bulbagarden.net/upload/5/5a/GoodBabyKanga.png)
Himself? Kangaskhan are always female. Aren't their babies girls?
intercourse ing pronouns
itself i dont give a intercourse
Quote from: Mona on August 09, 2013, 06:30:57 PM
So hey, no one's talking about this yet.
Do you guys like or hate this?
I love it. It looks like fun.
dislike it
Quote from: Neerb on August 10, 2013, 04:44:39 AM
Serebii apparently found out that you can only have one Mega on your team, period. Not sure how the game would enforce that. Also, your Pokemon will revert after the battle has ended, which is good news, as it had been speculated that you would revert after just a couple turns and that would have been awful.
bummer
absol it is
Quote from: The Riddler on August 10, 2013, 07:23:29 AM
This needed to be done without the Mega poop. And I was always a fan of the Cubone theory, so I was hoping he'd look more like Cubone out of the pouch. Bah.
cry about it nerd
wait a tick
I'm glad there's a limit to megas otherwise everyone would have a whole team of megas that's bullpoop. That parental bond ability is cool I like mega Kangaskhan. As with all news, megas are growing on me and I"m okay with them.
The X/Y soundtrack will be on itunes I hope it's good music.
if thief works on the thing that makes them mega then it sucks that you can only have 1 bruh
Cubone theory was fun, but it was never ever ever ever ever going to be. It was just over speculations and hopes and dreams.
I wonder how many Megas they will have? I feel like they can't have too many, but who knows?
Anyway, I'm assuming that once a Mega Stone thingamabob is activated once, it will never activate itself again within that battle. It will just... know. The excuse would probably "THERE'S TOO MUCH POWAH, YOU'RE BAD CAN'T HANDLE THIS MUCH POWAH, NO MORE MEGAAAAAAAAAAS" or something.
And I love how the Baby basically gets the Mega Evolution while staying with her mama. That's cool. Kangaskhan stays like, EXACTLY the same, minus the baby.
I just wish they didn't call this... "evolution" I mean, the idea is cool, but we were calling Mewtwo "Awakened," and now suddenly it's Mega. Why not call ALL of them, "Awakened" or something? Why Evolution? Doesn't evolving imply it's going to be permanent?
I hope, but highly doubt, they change the name of this.
Quote from: The Riddler on August 10, 2013, 07:23:29 AM
This needed to be done without the Mega poop. And I was always a fan of the Cubone theory, so I was hoping he'd look more like Cubone out of the pouch. Bah.
The cubone theory was neat and all but its clear Gamefreak doesn't agree with you kids. Sorry.
Quote from: Custom on August 10, 2013, 10:00:22 AM
if thief works on the thing that makes them mega then it sucks that you can only have 1 bruh
We kind of already have a Mega Pokemon in both Shaymin S and Giratina O. If it works like how they transform, then poop like Trick, Theif, etc. won't work.
Also JrDude, I get why you don't like them calling it Mega Evolution. Let's be real though, we've practically seen this before with form changes and form changes are practically "evolving" anyway. May as well cut out the middle man.
Quote from: Zero on August 10, 2013, 10:04:39 AM
Also JrDude, I get why you don't like them calling it Mega Evolution. Let's be real though, we've practically seen this before with form changes and form changes are practically "evolving" anyway. May as well cut out the middle man.
Why not just CALL it another forme change? The actual form changes are more evolutions than this, and this is more like forme change!
Also, I predict multiple of these Pokémon will be used in competitive battling, basically trying to trick the opponent (who can now normally see the entire team right before the match), and make them speculate which one is gonna be Mega.
yfw all pokemon get megas and theyre just revealing the ones they like the most
Quote from: JrDude 益 on August 10, 2013, 10:10:49 AM
Why not just CALL it another forme change? The actual form changes are more evolutions than this, and this is more like forme change!
Also, I predict multiple of these Pokémon will be used in competitive battling, basically trying to trick the opponent (who can now normally see the entire team right before the match), and make them speculate which one is gonna be Mega.
nah nigga it's fine the way it is
also this is a good idea thank you
Quote from: The Riddler on August 10, 2013, 10:16:16 AM
yfw all pokemon get megas and theyre just revealing the ones they like the most
that'd be rad
yfw mega bibarel
(http://fc07.deviantart.net/fs70/f/2010/224/5/e/Fakemon_Bibaron_by_mssingno.png)
(http://fc02.deviantart.net/fs71/f/2010/229/6/3/Heracross_Evolution_by_SleepiFrog.jpg)
I'll only be sold if this happens.
(http://fc00.deviantart.net/fs71/f/2013/158/2/f/farfetch_d_fakeevolution_by_phatmon66-d684v0y.png)
please stop these are embarrassing
Quote from: Custom on August 10, 2013, 10:25:50 AM
please stop these are embarrassing
and these arent?
(http://www.serebii.net/corocoro8132.jpg)
no but the ones you posted are
Serebii said about Coro Coro: "It confirms that not all Pokémon will have Mega Evolutions."
But I would LOVE it if every Pokémon (or the Pokémon's final evolution line) had a Mega.
Also, what's yfm.
Quote from: JrDude 益 on August 10, 2013, 10:42:32 AM
Serebii said about Coro Coro: "It confirms that not all Pokémon will have Mega Evolutions."
But I would LOVE it if every Pokémon (or the Pokémon's final evolution line) had a Mega.
Also, what's yfm.
your face when
it's like something on 4chan that people use to say like "your reaction to this thing: _________"
it usually has a reaction image on it but we're idiots here and don't do anything
every pokemon getting a mega is a bit much and highly unlikely. There may be a lot but there won't be one for everybody that's just dumb. And since it's been announced on the english site as well, they're going to be called mega pokemon and there isn't going to be a name change. A name change isn't necessary anyway. Fan megas are dumb btw
Quote from: JrDude 益 on August 10, 2013, 10:10:49 AM
Why not just CALL it another forme change? The actual form changes are more evolutions than this, and this is more like forme change!
Also, I predict multiple of these Pokémon will be used in competitive battling, basically trying to trick the opponent (who can now normally see the entire team right before the match), and make them speculate which one is gonna be Mega.
Actual form changes are not more like evolutions than this. Look at Rotom or Deoxys, all of their forms keep many base design elements, much more than normal evolution does. Normal evolution is pretty drastic while form changes usually aren't at all. Look at Giratina-O again. Easily could be considered Mega and could very well end up being reworked into one for all we know. With the information we have, Mega Stones seem to work almost identically to the way Griseous Orb works.
If anything, Form Changes=Mega Evolution, like I said earlier. It just has a different name and has different influence behind it. They're really emphasizing the "super saiyan-ness" of this Mega Evolution, though.
Quote from: JrDude 益 on August 10, 2013, 10:10:49 AM
Why not just CALL it another forme change? The actual form changes are more evolutions than this, and this is more like forme change!
also this is one of hte most assrage nerdy dumb sentences i've ever read
Quote from: Sirwaddy on August 10, 2013, 11:52:27 AM
every pokemon getting a mega is a bit much and highly unlikely. There may be a lot but there won't be one for everybody that's just dumb. And since it's been announced on the english site as well, they're going to be called mega pokemon and there isn't going to be a name change. A name change isn't necessary anyway. Fan megas are dumb btw
Fan megas are just imagination fuel.
So guys, what pokemon do you want Mega forms for? What Pokemon do you expect to get Mega forms for?
Here's to hoping for a Mega Houndoom and a Mega Snorlax
Quote from: Zero on August 10, 2013, 12:21:02 PM
Fan megas are just imagination fuel.
So guys, what pokemon do you want Mega forms for? What Pokemon do you expect to get Mega forms for?
Here's to hoping for a Mega Houndoom and a Mega Snorlax
mega dunsparce
I kinda went overboard with how many I think would be cool.
[spoiler]Gengar or Haunter. Haunter only if they can do it right. It's doubtful, but you asked.
Scizor.
Octillery (RELEASE THE KRAKEN FOO!).
Machamp.
Deoxys.
Beedrill.
Muk.
Ditto.
Smeargle.
Castform. (A BUNCH OF GIMMICK POKéMON!)
Druddigon.
Raichu.
Persian. (Kinda un-evolved rivals that are evolved and mega'd up)
Diglett/Dugtrio (IMAGINE)
Jynx.
Primape.
Rapidash.
Eevee.
Mr. Mime.
Nidoking
Nidoqueen
Gyarados
Politoed.
Ursaring.
Unown (doubtful).
Skarmory.
Girafarig.
Hitmon-Family or Tyrogue.
If only one, Hitmontop.
Porygon Z.
Slaking.
Exploud.
Ludicolo.
Shedinja.
Sebleye.
Medicham.
Cacturne.
Metagross.
Flygon.
Luxray.
Krookodile.
Gastrodon.
Ambipom.
Toxicroak.
Rotom.
Excadrill.
Darmanitan.
Bisharp.
Electross.
Electrode.
Conkledurr.
Farfetch'd.
Gigalith.
Kabutops.
Crobat.
Reuniclus.
Hydreigon.
Beartic.
Garbordor.
Braviary.
Clefable.
Wigglytuff.
Beheeyem.
Cofagrigus.[/spoiler]
Quote from: Custom on August 10, 2013, 12:14:34 PM
also this is one of hte most assrage nerdy dumb sentences i've ever read
You've obviously never met Rob.
Mega Ampharos is already a Christmas miracle for me, but if I'm lucky enough to get anyone else I want...
- Samurott. He looks so cool and has potential but his movepool and stats were just THIS much away from making him worth it. Mega Form would help and he could have more armor and swords and crap.
- Meganium. Mega Meganium.
- Dunsparce. You guys said it and now I want it.
- Delibird. Santa needs to go out on a killing spree.
- Gyarados. Since GameFreak clearly doesn't think only the weak guys need power-ups, let's see the original badass Pokemon get even more badass.
- Eeveelutions. All of them. DeviantArt collapses on itself, world peace.
- Seriously though, regular Eevee. Better than ever giving him a Normal Type evolution.
- Charizard. I want him straight-up Digimon-ed, with metal parts and spikes and random crap he doesn't need but looks awesome in.
I'll think of others later.
Can Kangaskhan learn Hyper Beam?
If so, this can potentially be Hyper Beam Abuse.
Though I guess that's not so bad, since in 1 turn, they can probably do more damage than a hyper beam with a move that isn't hyper beam since the attack can potentially be done twice.
Also, it's interesting how every Mega Evolution will require a different item, rather than just something like "SUPER SAYAIN STONE" or "MEGA STONE" or something, but with this, they can literally make ANY Pokémon Mega in a future generation if they decide to add some that they didn't have THIS Generation. (Like if they didn't do Pidgeot or something, but later thought Pidgeot would be a cool idea, they could do it next time with the Pidgeotnite)
And if this is being saved for the final evolution of a species, this locks Pokémon like Mawile and Absol from EVER ACTUALLY evolving into something. Like, permanent Evolution that has been around since the beginning, not this new Evolution thingamabob. They are now locked forEVER... if it's only for Fully evolved Pokémon anyway, which it could potentially NOT be for.
Also
(http://i57.photobucket.com/albums/g211/JrGuy/Pokemon/LucarioandWeavlemutation.png)
I was close to predicting this. So I win at Pokémon.
why is no one pointing out that its going to be really annoying watching your pokemon mega evolve at the beginning of every battle
Quote from: zephilicious on August 10, 2013, 07:07:30 PM
why is no one pointing out that its going to be really annoying watching your pokemon mega evolve at the beginning of every battle
For the same reason no one is pointing out how it's really annoying to find $20 on the street.
Seriously, freaking Digivolving/Super Sayin Transforming will never get old, ever. I know, because I watched the shows I am referring to; Digimon had like 10 per episode and DBZ took 10 episodes to do 1, and both were always awesome every time and yes I'm 8.
Also, Jr, Kangaskhan's Hyper Beam twice would ALMOST be a good attack once. Giga Impact is what you'd be thinking about. #lrn2pkmn
Actually what I was thinking was Hyper Beam every turn with no charge wait.
Quote from: JrDude 益 on August 11, 2013, 12:59:45 AM
Actually what I was thinking was Hyper Beam every turn with no charge wait.
Same idea for Giga Impact.
Kanghaskhan's special attack stat sucks
Not that it wasn't obvious we would find out eventually, but at the world championships they showed footage of the other three megas revealed in corocoro. Mega Mawile's lookin pretty great
That Power Ranger music is getting me super hype.
oh yeah this is a kids game
thanks for that reminder
Well I'm finally starting to warm up to the whole mega stuff. Looking forward to the new megas next month
Quote from: zephilicious on August 11, 2013, 06:06:18 PM
oh yeah this is a kids game
thanks for that reminder
Well yeah.
What part of mega evolutions did you think was geared for an older demographic
Its the marketing not the content. That video is the first thing I've seen that screams hey six year olds buy this game.
They probably wanted to present it like that because it was revealed at the world championships where there were a bunch of kids and an overly excited MC idk
Quote from: Sirwaddy on August 12, 2013, 10:43:21 AM
They probably wanted to present it like that because it was revealed at the world championships where there were a bunch of kids and an overly excited MC idk
and because it's a kid's game
Yeah yeah.
They aren't entirely unaware of their older fans, all I'm saying is that this trailer was probably the most childish one we've seen so far because it was presented at an event with a bunch of kids. I'm not denying their young target audience
who cares you'll all still buy it anyway
When are we getting the new Digmon World?
Quote from: Spud on August 12, 2013, 01:24:56 PM
When are we getting the new Digmon World?
Probably never.
It looks super hype, though; 3DS remake of PSP game, spiritual successor to Digimon World 1.
Quote from: Spud on August 12, 2013, 01:24:56 PM
When are we getting the new Digmon World?
October 12
CLAYDOL! FIND 5 POKEMON WITH ATTITUDE!
(http://i457.photobucket.com/albums/qq292/BalladOfGales/download_zps0bdc7ae7.gif)
PINK BLUE RED BLACK YELLOW
how dare you
hi custom
hi goldfishman
News from Pokemon Game Show:
- Fennekin can learn Psybeam!
- Rhyhorn can be ridden
- Mega Evolution is activated manually. If your Pokemon has its Mega Stone equipped in battle, you can on any turn where that Pokemon is on the field hit a button that activates the transformation. This does not take up a turn, however, as you can still use a move in the same turn.
Footage of a battle that does NOT look like X & Y was shown, which Serebii has a screenshot of:
(http://i457.photobucket.com/albums/qq292/BalladOfGales/Untitled_zps6eb43745.png)
That looks GOOD. New Wii U game, anyone?!
Finally, there will be a new TV special coming up called Pokemon: The Origin, which is NOT connected to the show and is instead a retelling of Red/Green Version (with Red and Green the main characters), complete with waaay better animation than Ash's show. Looks awesome from the trailer, and I wish there was a whole show like this.
Quote from: Neerb on August 16, 2013, 07:27:52 PM
Finally, there will be a new TV special coming up called Pokemon: The Origin, which is NOT connected to the show and is instead a retelling of Red/Green Version (with Red and Green the main characters), complete with waaay better animation than Ash's show. Looks awesome from the trailer, and I wish there was a whole show like this.
IT'S HAPPENING
holy poop
this better get popular and I hope it replaces the current anime. I'd actually support a good Pokemon anime that isn't poop
It's just an ova not a series
it's year of the luigi for god sake he should be in this game
i would train a luigi
Evolves into Nothing so you can have an empty slot in your party for something useful.
MEGA KANTO STARTERS!!!!!!!!
Mega Venusaur's ability is Thick Fat, meaning Fire and Ice-Type attacks only do regular damage instead of super effective damage.
Mega Charizard's ability is Drought, creating "permanent" Sunny Day upon entry to boost his Fire attacks, weaken enemy Water attacks, and grant himself instant Solar Beams.
Mega Blastoise's ability is a new one called Mega Launcher, which does something to boost his moves. The website implies that it specifically boost "pulse" moves like Water Pulse and Dark Pulse, which sounds to me like it's a special cannon version of Iron Fist.
The watches the trainers use in the trailer aren't just for show, either; they are items you will have to acquire to enable Mega Evolution, in addition to your Pokemon's personal Mega Stone.
Also, there is a new cloud system called Pokemon Bank. It will have an annual fee to use (it's a 3DS App) and allows you to upload or download Pokemon from and to X & Y versions. It has 100 boxes of storage, will not accept hacked Pokemon, and will act as a the gen-to-gen transfer method, as Black/White 1&2 can one-way upload to it.
Quote from: Neerb on September 04, 2013, 06:29:21 AM
When you start the game, you will have 6 starters to choose from instead of 3: the 3 Kalos starters and the 3 Kanto starters.
yeah thats not what it says
>and will act as a the gen-to-gen transfer method, as Black/White 1&2 can one-way upload to it.
you realize you have to pay a subscription fee to do this
intercourse this
intercourse you gamefreak suck my dick choke on it
websites says free trial at launch
and we cant exactly trust nintendo to keep free servers running well
Quote from: zephilicious on September 04, 2013, 06:44:17 AM
yeah thats not what it says
Yeah, my bad; IGN seemed to imply this, but I can't find it anywhere else.
Quote from: Custom on September 04, 2013, 06:47:25 AM
>and will act as a the gen-to-gen transfer method, as Black/White 1&2 can one-way upload to it.
you realize you have to pay a subscription fee to do this
intercourse this
intercourse you gamefreak suck my dick choke on it
There will be a free trial that lasts until the end of January, and it's like 500 yen (don't know American price yet) PER YEAR. Frankly, that seems fine to me, especially since every past form of gen-to-gen transfer was made as inconvenient as possible.
Quote from: Neerb on September 04, 2013, 06:52:41 AM
Yeah, my bad; IGN seemed to imply this, but I can't find it anywhere else.
you get one of each at different times in the game maybe watch the video
so they're going to reduce the amount of boxes from black/white in order to make the cloud storage seem appealing right
Quote from: Custom on September 04, 2013, 07:08:31 AM
so they're going to reduce the amount of boxes from black/white in order to make the cloud storage seem appealing right
The next time you want a burger somewhere, don't get it.
Boom.
A year's subscription right there.
Quote from: Neerb on September 04, 2013, 07:12:04 AM
The next time you want a burger somewhere, don't get it.
Boom.
A year's subscription right there.
i dont' care about the price i can pay anything $$$ out my ass
i don't use cloud storage, never really trusted it
i especially don't trust it coming from nintendo-ass friend code can't figure out online play for poop what's a gosh darn account system
i'm not putting my ev trained pokemon or anything worthwhile in that poop
i want the same amount of box storage from black/white in this poop
if they give us like 5 boxes in the games and are like "BUT THE CLOUD" then intercourse this
plus if they reduce boxes that means i'm paying for something that i shouldn't be paying for
even if it's cheap that's intercourse ed up
black and white had MORE than enough storage. at this point i'll be paying $5 a year and it won't be a service for me, it will be bullpoop i have to put up with.
it's the principal behind the prince
when i'm buying a burger i'm getting something
if they reduce storage space for this, i'm paying annually for something i already had.
if the boxes are the same as black and white, that's fine. if they reduce them, that's absolutely not okay.
maybe stop whining about something you have no information on.
Was hoping that they'd give the Mega Evos of the kanto starters each a new typing but oh well. I like them. Especially Venusaur's and Charizard's.
Except I dislike how Charizard's claws have become...smaller.
Quote from: zephilicious on September 04, 2013, 07:34:49 AM
maybe stop whining about something you have no information on.
no this is the only pokemon news
This poop is from tumblr but it's all I can think of when I think Mega Evolutions.
(https://fbcdn-sphotos-e-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/1000952_460462617385155_178727160_n.jpg)
get over it
digimon is DAED
actually digimon is retaining its popularity even if it is done
but regardless they couldnt come up with a better name than "mega evolution"?
bah
Quote from: The Riddler on September 06, 2013, 09:32:57 AM
actually digimon is retaining its popularity even if it is done
but regardless they couldnt come up with a better name than "mega evolution"?
bah
it's fine cry about real issues instead
Quote from: The Riddler on September 06, 2013, 09:32:57 AM
actually digimon is retaining its popularity even if it is done
Not to mention that Digimon: Fusion is airing tomorrow in Nickelodeon at 1/12C.
In japan Mega Evolutions aren't even a thing. It works differently there.
The american translations are awful. End of discussion.
Quote from: Zero on September 06, 2013, 12:42:38 PM
In japan Mega Evolutions aren't even a thing. It works differently there.
The american translations are awful. End of discussion.
What is it in Japan?
Quote from: JrDude 益 on September 06, 2013, 08:02:46 PM
What is it in Japan?
Fresh (幼年期 I Younenki I?, lit.
"Baby I")
In-Training (幼年期 II Younenki II?, lit.
"Baby II")
Rookie (成長期 Seichouki?, lit.
"Child")
Champion (成熟期 Seijukuki?, lit.
"Adult")
Ultimate (完全体 Kanzentai?, lit.
"Perfect")
Mega (究極体 Kyuukyokutai?, lit. "
Ultimate")
The translations are very poopty. Have you ever thought about why Mega was after Ultimate when Ultimate is...well...ULTIMATE?
Quote from: Zero on September 07, 2013, 07:37:30 AM
Fresh (幼年期 I Younenki I?, lit. "Baby I")
In-Training (幼年期 II Younenki II?, lit. "Baby II")
Rookie (成長期 Seichouki?, lit. "Child")
Champion (成熟期 Seijukuki?, lit. "Adult")
Ultimate (完全体 Kanzentai?, lit. "Perfect")
Mega (究極体 Kyuukyokutai?, lit. "Ultimate")
The translations are very poopty. Have you ever thought about why Mega was after Ultimate when Ultimate is...well...ULTIMATE?
No I mean, what do they call "Mega Evolutions" in Japan?
Quote from: JrDude 益 on September 07, 2013, 11:40:13 AM
No I mean, what do they call "Mega Evolutions" in Japan?
he just posted it dummy
Quote from: Custom on September 07, 2013, 12:21:51 PM
he just posted it dummy
His post confuses me and I understand nothing about it.
Quote from: Zero on September 06, 2013, 12:42:38 PM
In japan Mega Evolutions aren't even a thing. It works differently there.
The american translations are awful. End of discussion.
Quote from: Zero on September 07, 2013, 07:37:30 AM
Fresh (幼年期 I Younenki I?, lit. "Baby I")
In-Training (幼年期 II Younenki II?, lit. "Baby II")
Rookie (成長期 Seichouki?, lit. "Child")
Champion (成熟期 Seijukuki?, lit. "Adult")
Ultimate (完全体 Kanzentai?, lit. "Perfect")
Mega (究極体 Kyuukyokutai?, lit. "Ultimate")
The translations are very poopty. Have you ever thought about why Mega was after Ultimate when Ultimate is...well...ULTIMATE?
Quote from: JrDude 益 on September 07, 2013, 11:40:13 AM
No I mean, what do they call "Mega Evolutions" in Japan?
Quote from: Zero on September 07, 2013, 07:37:30 AM
Fresh (幼年期 I Younenki I?, lit. "Baby I")
In-Training (幼年期 II Younenki II?, lit. "Baby II")
Rookie (成長期 Seichouki?, lit. "Child")
Champion (成熟期 Seijukuki?, lit. "Adult")
Ultimate (完全体 Kanzentai?, lit. "Perfect")
Mega (究極体 Kyuukyokutai?, lit. "Ultimate")
The translations are very poopty. Have you ever thought about why Mega was after Ultimate when Ultimate is...well...ULTIMATE?
I don't understand.
Quote from: JrDude 益 on September 08, 2013, 08:52:41 PM
I don't understand.
can you like not read or something he's saying it's not like the digimon poop because in japan the digimon aren't called mega evolutions or wahtever so in japan mega evolutions for pokemon is nothing like digimon and he told rob to stop crying like a ninny with his advanced japanese digimon knowlege
also i prepordered x today i hate myself
Quote from: JrDude 益 on September 08, 2013, 08:52:41 PM
I don't understand.
We're talking the relationship between "Mega Evolutions" in pokemon and Mega evolutions in Digimon. It only exists because of a very poopty translation job done by Saban or whoever the intercourse did the original Digimon translation and because of that should be a non-issue.
Quote from: Zero on September 09, 2013, 04:28:47 AM
We're talking the relationship between "Mega Evolutions" in pokemon and Mega evolutions in Digimon. It only exists because of a very poopty translation job done by Saban or whoever the intercourse did the original Digimon translation and because of that should be a non-issue.
I loved Digimon dubbed as a kid.
But Saban is the worst. The ABSOLUTE worst. Worse than 4Kids, but not as popular. They're so awful.
I rewatched it recently, but subbed instead of dubbed, and it's a great way to get my nostalgia without wanting to kill myself.
I didn't even realize the discussion was about Digimon, I just want to know what Japanese now call the process of Pokémon "Mega Evolving" and the "Mega Mawile" and everything else.
Quote from: JrDude 益 on September 09, 2013, 08:02:58 AM
I didn't even realize the discussion was about Digimon, I just want to know what Japanese now call the process of Pokémon "Mega Evolving" and the "Mega Mawile" and everything else.
mega evolving
also Mega Kucheat
Bipedal Fennekin evo. Fire/Fighting here we come!
Oh and mega garchomp because he needed that
(http://pokebeach.com/news/0913/starter-evos.jpg)
r u serious
this is what they came up for chespin
r u gosh darn serius
i guess i'm using the gen 1 starters then
froakie confirmed for only ok design
other two confirmed for bad news
that t-rex ass pokemon is baller as poop tho
Quote from: Custom on September 11, 2013, 05:58:22 AM
froakie confirmed for only ok design
froakie bulbasaur torchic is the only way to go
You guys are talking as if other starters don't have awkward second forms.
>Croconaw
>Combusken
>Marshtomp
>Grotle
>Prinplup
>Pignite
All of their final forms are better. I bet it will be no different.
Grass will probably be Grass/Ground, as he learns a new Ground move upon evolution.
Fire will probably be Fire/Psychic, as he learns a new Psychic move upon evolution.
Water will probably be pure water, or Water/Fighting, I dunno, he learns how to be a frog upon evolution.
Quote from: JrDude 益 on September 11, 2013, 08:35:23 AM
Grass will probably be Grass/Ground, as he learns a new Ground move upon evolution.
Fire will probably be Fire/Psychic, as he learns a new Psychic move upon evolution.
Water will probably be pure water, or Water/Fighting, I dunno, he learns how to be a frog upon evolution.
You do realize that if Froakie were to get the Fighting typing, Fennekin with a Psychic typing is the absolute best choice in the end, right?
Quote from: DededeCloneChris on September 11, 2013, 09:29:37 AM
You do realize that if Froakie were to get the Fighting typing, Fennekin with a Psychic typing is the absolute best choice in the end, right?
Gamefreak has never really put that much effort into balance. Look at the Ice and Water types.
And now with Steel losing its Ghost resistance it looks like Ghost is going to be intercourse ing OP. Or at least just Gengar.
Quote from: Zero on September 11, 2013, 07:57:33 AM
You guys are talking as if other starters don't have awkward second forms.
>Croconaw
>Combusken
>Marshtomp
>Grotle
>Prinplup
>Pignite
All of their final forms are better. I bet it will be no different.
piplup tepig and mudkip all had really awful final forms tho
wait
wait
are you saying x gets this rad beefed up mewtwo that looks straight out of dbz
and that y gets that little poop
hahahahahahahahahahahahaha i picked the right game
I think it's inevitable that some versions will have exclusive Mega Stones.
Quote from: Zero on September 11, 2013, 09:47:16 AM
Gamefreak has never really put that much effort into balance. Look at the Ice and Water types.
And now with Steel losing its Ghost resistance it looks like Ghost is going to be intercourse ing OP. Or at least just Gengar.
Ghost is pretty much on par with dragon now which is completely fair, is just as rare and the pokemon are pooptier.
ice completely got intercourse ed, no improvements and fire and steel are better now.
another one
(http://i.imgur.com/MvAO42y.jpg)
Quote from: zephilicious on September 11, 2013, 03:30:05 PM
Ghost is pretty much on par with dragon now which is completely fair, is just as rare and the pokemon are pooptier.
ice completely got intercourse ed, no improvements and fire and steel are better now.
Ice lost its weakness to Steel, didn't it? It's something but overall won't improve ice that much. It still has no resistances other than Ice. It should get a resistance to Water or Ghost just for balance sake but I can't see that ever happening.
Quote from: Custom on September 11, 2013, 11:55:29 AM
piplup tepig and mudkip all had really awful final forms tho
I like Emboar's journey to the west inspired design and I like Empoleon. Swampert is one that I'm not too fond of but a lot of people like it.
Nothing changed except fairy and steel's resistances
I'm still pulling for Chespin; I have faith in the little guy. Maybe it's just a shell/pupa like Pupitar or Shelgon.
Also, Fennekin seems like it's going to have a witch-based design. It's learning more Psychic moves, second form has a black dress-thing, and that stick in its tail makes the tail as a whole look like a broom, with the stick possibly being a removable wand during battles.
I KNEW IT: they're freaking RPG classes. Well, sorta.
Quilladin is a
quilled pal
adin. He'll probably turn into some badass knight.
Braixen uses its stick as a wand like a Mage.
Frogadier sounds like a soldier of some kind, but I think he'll be more of a Rogue than a full-on brigadier, given his sleek appearance, ninja stance, and French-ness. Heck, Paladin is French too.
Also, Quilladin looks a lot better in-game than in his art.
Also also, female Pyroar looks cool, and Meowstic and Furfrou are hilarious names, and we can dress up in outfits!
if chespin turns into a cool knight i will be happy
Grass-type Pokémon are no longer affected by moves such as Spore, Stun Spore, PoisonPowder or Sleep Powder
Electric-type Pokémon can no longer be Paralyzed
Ghost-type Pokémon are no longer affected by moves that trap them such as Mean Look
Grass and Electric Pokemon just got more valuable.
The character customization is exciting me a lot.
Also, I understand the Grass part I guess (I also understand why it would work), but Paralyzed isn't necessarily electrical, like with Body Slam. No electrical currents were used to cause the paralysis, but it still makes the electrical-like animation because that's just what they use. Though it doesn't bother me, I think that should have stayed how it was.
Quote from: JrDude 益 on September 14, 2013, 11:14:15 AM
"Paralyze" refers to more than just electricity.
Yeah, that was bugging me and my friends too, but I do still like that Electric types are more useful now (not that it wasn't already a decent type).
Electric Pokemon can't have their nervous systems interrupted via paralysis.
To me, it makes sense. Just think of it as their brains sending very strong electrical signals that can't be stopped by spores or electricity or something. It's a stretch but it works.
Fossil Evolutions Aurorus and Tyrantrum!
(http://i457.photobucket.com/albums/qq292/BalladOfGales/aurorustyrantrum_zps9a52f1db.png)
Aurorus has a signature move called "Freeze Dry" which is an Ice-Type attack with a chance of freezing, yet does Super Effective damage against Water-Types.
They, like their prevos, are probably Rock/Ice and Rock/Dragon, making them super effective against each other.
are you serious those are so ugly FUCK
just needs less beard
(http://i.imgur.com/VVedH54l.png)
the gem-y one looks like it could be fairy.
unless types were confirmed idfk, it just looks like a fairy, the other looks ground or fire
Quote from: Neerb on September 19, 2013, 08:22:15 AM
They, like their prevos, are probably Rock/Ice and Rock/Dragon, making them super effective against each other.
whelp
looks like a fairy
in other news, this is handy:
14:10: Various details are coming in from impressions at the media briefing last week. Pokémon will gain EXP when a Pokémon is captured
Quote from: The Riddler on September 19, 2013, 04:03:04 PM
whelp
looks like a fairy
in other news, this is handy:
14:10: Various details are coming in from impressions at the media briefing last week. Pokémon will gain EXP when a Pokémon is captured
this is handy what this could be terrible are you joking you intercourse ing assintercourse do you play these games
I like that. Gives a SLIGHTLY more reason to catch 'em all, which I tried doing in every game anyway (and never succeeded in doing)
The brontosaurus is weak to Steel x4, Fighting x4, Rock, Grass, Water, and Ground.
will probably be poop. will not use. Shame because I like it. I just hate dead weights on my teams.
Quote from: JrDude 益 on September 20, 2013, 01:00:14 AM
I like that. Gives a SLIGHTLY more reason to catch 'em all, which I tried doing in every game anyway (and never succeeded in doing)
no it doesn't you lazy poop hole, this ain't gonna do poop. you wanna level up, you go to that elite 4.
all this does is intercourse up ev training if i find something i want to catch. that 250 exp ain't gonna mean poop
this feature is only negative for serious players
man you guys really are casual as intercourse no wonder i never agree with you on these things
Quote from: Custom on September 20, 2013, 07:45:47 AM
no it doesn't you lazy poop hole, this ain't gonna do poop. you wanna level up, you go to that elite 4.
all this does is intercourse up ev training if i find something i want to catch. that 250 exp ain't gonna mean poop
this feature is only negative for serious players
picture this poop:
you're ev training
you run into a shiny, but not one you need evs from
now you have a choice
you can either intercourse up a pokemon you've worked hard on breeding
or catch a shiny pokemon
intercourse that homie
whyre you assuming that this includes evs
Quote from: The Riddler on September 20, 2013, 02:02:29 PM
whyre you assuming that this includes evs
do u understnad how this game works
DO ANY OF YOU PALY THESE OR DO YOU JUST JIZZ ALL OVER THESE UGLY KIDS MONSTER DESIGNS
Calm down, Custom. You're sounding like a League of Legends fanboy.
Black/White 2 let you remove EVs from a Pokemon at the Salon in your private strip mall.
Before that there were berries that could be eaten to remove EVs.
I'm SURE X/Y will have a way to remove EVs as well, especially since they're putting more focus on it this gen like having a way to check them in-game and having training centers to raise them without battling.
Quote from: Neerb on September 20, 2013, 06:38:09 PM
Black/White 2 let you remove EVs from a Pokemon at the Salon in your private strip mall.
Before that there were berries that could be eaten to remove EVs.
I'm SURE X/Y will have a way to remove EVs as well, especially since they're putting more focus on it this gen like having a way to check them in-game and having training centers to raise them without battling.
The berry method was next to impossible for most players without Action Replays or any other modding option. They were very rare and growing berries is too time consuming for competitive pokemon, as is breeding for IVs.
Quote from: Super on September 20, 2013, 05:05:59 PM
Calm down, Custom. You're sounding like a League of Legends fanboy.
nah i just play these games hard man
i'm sorry i just get riled up when they start intercourse in with my poop
Quote from: Custom on September 20, 2013, 11:42:00 PM
nah i just play these games hard man
i'm sorry i just get riled up when they start intercourse in with my poop
(http://i.imgur.com/k4omNCD.gif)
(http://i.imgur.com/sASvzbp.jpg)
Either the best starter since gen 1 or the most convincing sugimori imposter ever.
also fits this
QuoteReconfirmation that Froakie's final evolution is Water/Fighting. It looks similar to a poison dart frog. The dark blue now takes over its body almost entirely. There are a few even darker (almost black) spots on his sides and face and it gains more of the bubble foam around its neck and down the back. It's also a bit bulkier. It uses its hind legs a lot and has kicking attacks.
i hope it is that
It's not being addressed on any of the main pokemon news sites so the odds of it being legit are super slim. I don't like it too much anyway. They can hopefully do better than that.
Doublade is easily the most disappointing thing to happen to the X/Y hype train.
Honedge had potential, but instead Gamefreak decided to use the tried and true Magneton/Dugtrio design method.
(http://i.neoseeker.com/n/4/pokemonxydoubledge_thumb.jpg)
Can't say anyone was expecting Honedge to evolve.
Oh and new game mechanics or changes have been revealed http://bulbanews.bulbagarden.net/wiki/Nintendo_Dream_interview_reveals_new_mechanic_changes
QuoteThe item Exp. Share will revert to Exp. All as in Generation I, where when one Pokémon holding this item participates in battle, all other Pokémon in the team receive experience as well. Unlike in Generation I, the experience is not split but rather received by all Pokémon. This means that the participating Pokemon receive 100% experience, while non-participating Pokémon receive 50% experience.
how easy can we make this game
Quote from: Sirwaddy on September 24, 2013, 11:51:55 PM
It's not being addressed on any of the main pokemon news sites so the odds of it being legit are super slim. I don't like it too much anyway. They can hopefully do better than that.
they won't
Quote from: zephilicious on September 25, 2013, 11:02:41 AM
how easy can we make this game
lol u serious this is poopty as intercourse
Quote from: Sirwaddy on September 25, 2013, 09:02:34 AM
Can't say anyone was expecting Honedge to evolve.
...are you kidding? Every Ghost type bar Arceus Ghost has an evolution or alternate form(s)
"The standard selection process for Pokémon to be Mega-Evolvable is based on three points: visual looks, popularity and game balance."
oh god lmao
Quote from: Zero on September 25, 2013, 12:06:29 PM
"The standard selection process for Pokémon to be Mega-Evolvable is based on three points: visual looks, popularity and game balance."
oh god lmao
yeah they really took this into consideration when they picked garchomp yeah i can really take that statement seriously
Quote from: Custom on September 25, 2013, 01:00:40 PM
yeah they really took this into consideration when they picked garchomp yeah i can really take that statement seriously
he fell out of ubers that calls for a buff
Quote from: Zero on September 25, 2013, 12:03:03 PM
...are you kidding? Every Ghost type bar Arceus Ghost has an evolution or alternate form(s)
Spiritomb and Sableye.
I just mean this Pokemon fell so far in the background it wasn't on a lot of people's minds to be the evolved Pokemon that would be announced today
The exp thing is weird I had no idea it worked like that in Gen I
I hope this game isn't too easy.
Quote from: Zero on September 25, 2013, 12:06:29 PM
"The standard selection process for Pokémon to be Mega-Evolvable is based on three points: visual looks, popularity and game balance."
(http://i457.photobucket.com/albums/qq292/BalladOfGales/iwanttobelieve_zpsea82cc4e.png)
Quote from: Sirwaddy on September 25, 2013, 04:40:28 PM
Spiritomb and Sableye.
I just mean this Pokemon fell so far in the background it wasn't on a lot of people's minds to be the evolved Pokemon that would be announced today
The exp thing is weird I had no idea it worked like that in Gen I
I hope this game isn't too easy.
i bet it will be :(
How to make the game not as easy: Don't use the EXP Share.
How to not use the EXP Share: Don't give it to any of you're Pokémon.
Don't like it? Don't use it. Just because you don't like a Pokémon that exists, doesn't mean they're putting it on your team. Same for items.
Quote from: JrDude 益 on September 25, 2013, 09:07:06 PM
How to make the game not as easy: Don't use the EXP Share.
How to not use the EXP Share: Don't give it to any of you're Pokémon.
Don't like it? Don't use it. Just because you don't like a Pokémon that exists, doesn't mean they're putting it on your team. Same for items.
if it were that simple nobody would give a poop
this garbage is all important to my ev training and poop
i don't use exp share to level up pokemon any dumbass can do that
maybe they just want me to play those minigames or whatever and be casual scum becuase they sure are making this inconvenient for me
oh welllll
Quote from: Sirwaddy on September 25, 2013, 04:40:28 PM
Spiritomb and Sableye.
I just mean this Pokemon fell so far in the background it wasn't on a lot of people's minds to be the evolved Pokemon that would be announced today
The exp thing is weird I had no idea it worked like that in Gen I
I hope this game isn't too easy.
Fair point on Spiritomb and Sableye. You know as well as I do that they don't have evolutions because of their typings though. Come on now.
People expected Honedge to evolve. I know I did. And in order for the game to be challenging they would have to implement a challenge mode that was available from the start. On top of that you'd have to avoid using the Exp. All.
There is no reason not to implement a challenge mode but I don't really see Gamefreak doing anything that makes sense. I don't think that they're THAT aware that a good portion of their customers are older than 10.
also man honedge's evolution is duumb
i wish it became something cooler
leaks are coming this may or may not be one of them
(http://i.imgur.com/Vjk394t.png)
http://pokejungle.net/2013/09/29/rumor-images-show-final-froakie-evolution-new-pokemon/
The images are pretty convincing
Someone pointed out that the "A" in "Water" is different, but I think it could just be that the Froakie screenshot is old and they updated it, or it's from an international version of the game. The original "R" and "A" look pretty similar. [spoiler](http://images4.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20130514140350/pokemon/images/f/f6/Stats_Screen_Froakie_%28X_%26_Y%29.jpg)(http://images.4chan.org/vp/src/1380474014123.jpg)[/spoiler]
Quote from: zephilicious on September 29, 2013, 06:54:27 AM
leaks are coming this may or may not be one of them
(http://i.imgur.com/Vjk394t.png)
intercourse gosh darnit the fake is so much better than this poop intercourse
here it comes.... http://instagram.com/kosthedin
not much new yet
after 57 different encounters, 1 'new', unrevealed pokemon finally shows up.
a 'leaker' last week claimed xerneas was number 719, suggesting there are just over 70 new pokemon, and only 30 or so we haven't seen yet. the fact that it took nearly 60 encounters to find even one of them kind of backs that up.
or this guy (and the dozen or so other people that have posted pictures of early copies) are working on some viral marketing campaign and only revealing what nintendo wants them to.
we'll know one way or the other tomorrow.
I really hope it's not true; the lowest so far has been Johto with 100, and I'd rather we not go under that number.
wouldn't be surprised if it turns out like gen iv. except all those new evolutions are megas.
But gen 4 was the worrrst.
Eh, I guess as long as we don't get 20 new legendaries it will be okay.
IT'S MEGA CHARIZARD X AND MEGA CHARIZARD Y!!!!!
The new black and blue guy is Mega Charizard X, exclusive to X version. He's Fire/Dragon type and has the ability "Tough Claws," which increases the power of physical attacks. He also has his Attack stat raised.
The old orange and teal guy is Mega Charizard Y, exclusive to Y version. He's Fire/Flying type and has the ability "Drought," creating permanent Sunny Day effect. He also has his Special Attack stat raised.
CHOOSE WISELY!!!
Quote from: Neerb on October 02, 2013, 05:20:40 AM
But gen 4 was the worrrst.
Heavily disagree.
Gen III and the way it forced doubles onto you even right down to the Pokemon designs and lists was way worse. All the double Pokemon are practically useless even in doubles(As useful as Volbeat can be as a support there are still far better choices).
Quote from: Neerb on October 02, 2013, 06:49:33 AM
IT'S MEGA CHARIZARD X AND MEGA CHARIZARD Y!!!!!
The new black and blue guy is Mega Charizard X, exclusive to X version. He's Fire/Dragon type and has the ability "Tough Claws," which increases the power of physical attacks. He also has his Attack stat raised.
The old orange and teal guy is Mega Charizard Y, exclusive to Y version. He's Fire/Flying type and has the ability "Drought," creating permanent Sunny Day effect. He also has his Special Attack stat raised.
CHOOSE WISELY!!!
so glad i preordered x
Hawlucha reconfirmed.
The first guy to post him also posted greninja and the 70 pokemon claim.
or reunconfirmed nobody knows anything
the probably fake braixen evo is cool though
(http://puu.sh/4FPAi.gif)
I thought gen 4 was pretty decent. Got my hopes back up for Pokemon after gen 3.
Quote from: Spud on October 02, 2013, 07:33:37 AM
(http://puu.sh/4FPAi.gif)
I thought gen 4 was pretty decent. Got my hopes back up for Pokemon after gen 3.
gen 3 was the good one WHAT'S WRONG WITH YOU GUYS
(http://i.imgur.com/Mm8EfaC.jpg)
so yeah
ALL HOPE IN MY HEART IS STILL WITH CHESPIN
that didnt take long
(http://i.imgur.com/eZnA6r8l.jpg)
dear intercourse ing god intercourse you gamefreak you downy ass clowns
Chespin's final form just....what
Well thankfully Greninja isn't bad
What are you talking about Custom? Chespin totally won this one; he looks like a giant tanky Digimon. The more I look at him the more I like him. Even his name is badass: Chesnaught. He is a freaking juggernaut.
(http://fc02.deviantart.net/fs70/i/2013/275/f/3/kalos_starters_by_giovannihp90-d6ozpdh.png)
Anyway, here we are at last. Chesnaught is Grass/Fighting, Delphox is Fire/Psychic, and Greninja is Water/Dark, meaning we get double weaknesses in a loop.
Also, here's EVERYONE confirmed so far. Not pictured, because we don't have a picture, is Mega Aerodactyl.
(http://i.imgur.com/I5ymuUU.jpg)
Helioptile looked derp but I MUST HAVE his evo.
All the starters also get SIGNATURE MOVES!! Chesnaught gets Spiky Shield, Delphox gets Mystical Fire, and Greninja gets Water Shuriken.
all bad startes are bad
Chesnaught looking like a Digimon is kind of the problem, I'm guessing.
I thought of Terriermon and his forms when I saw Chesnaught to be honest. His arms and legs just look weird.
Delphox is...just...what. The Ear fluffs are too big. WAY too large.
Greninja is really the only decent one, much better than Samurott and Empoleon, at least.
Quote from: Zero on October 03, 2013, 02:04:06 AM
Greninja is really the only decent one, much better than Samurott and Empoleon, at least.
Whaaaaaaaaa?
Quote from: Neerb on October 03, 2013, 02:57:50 AM
Whaaaaaaaaa?
Greninja looks much better than Delphox and Chesnaught and at the very least is better than two prior Water starter evos that I find to have pretty bad designs.
Samurott was a darn good design minus the unnecessarily long mustache.
Chesnaught: What the intercourse are you you had so much potential
Delphox: You were designed strictly for furrys and intercourse you for that - dangit I wanted a legit mage
Greninja: You lost whatever appeal Froakie had.
btw it's been just about confirmed that there are less than 100 new pokemon, about 70 in total with unfound event pokemon unaccounted for
Quote from: The Riddler on October 03, 2013, 04:35:03 AM
Samurott was a darn good design minus the unnecessarily long mustache.
dewott was the problem there, he could have turned into something so much better.
Quote from: Zero on October 03, 2013, 02:04:06 AM
Chesnaught looking like a Digimon is kind of the problem, I'm guessing.
I thought of Terriermon and his forms when I saw Chesnaught to be honest. His arms and legs just look weird.
Delphox is...just...what. The Ear fluffs are too big. WAY too large.
Greninja is really the only decent one, much better than Samurott and Empoleon, at least.
digimon is not a problem i love digimon designs chesnaught looks like a retard
Quote from: The Riddler on October 03, 2013, 04:35:03 AM
Samurott was a darn good design minus the unnecessarily long mustache.
Chesnaught: What the intercourse are you you had so much potential
Delphox: You were designed strictly for furrys and intercourse you for that - dangit I wanted a legit mage
Greninja: You lost whatever appeal Froakie had.
btw it's been just about confirmed that there are less than 100 new pokemon, about 70 in total with unfound event pokemon unaccounted for
samurott is one of the worst designs ever made, especially because it preceded dewott who was cool and didn't make any intercourse ing sense
Quote from: Custom on October 03, 2013, 07:28:13 AM
digimon is not a problem i love digimon designs chesnaught looks like a retard
I think if I saw 2D art I'd feel a little better about him
Mega Gengar and Mega Aerodactyl are confirmed.
(http://i457.photobucket.com/albums/qq292/BalladOfGales/megaaerodactyl_zps5af9778c.png)
(http://i.imgur.com/WEkhQoM.jpg)
Mega Aerodactyl is pretty cool
but i'm not sure how i feel about mega gengar
Slurpuff is the new bidoof.
well
(http://i.imgur.com/lWwHqc1.jpg)
a fairy that steals keys
I dont completely hate it. and fairy/steel is pretty much the best typing there is now.
i swear almost every leak is making me lose hope
but bunnelbys evolution is intercourse ing pro
i really don't understand why people hate Klefki
not every pokemon is going to be as edgy as Scizor jesus intercourse
it gets prankster too, that'll be fun.
and the two grass/ghost types that popped up are cute as intercourse .
Quote from: The Riddler on October 03, 2013, 08:13:20 PM
i swear almost every leak is making me lose hope
but bunnelbys evolution is intercourse ing pro
GROSS
Quote from: Zero on October 04, 2013, 04:10:38 AM
i really don't understand why people hate Klefki
not every pokemon is going to be as edgy as Scizor jesus intercourse
i like it actually
you don't like diggersby?
(http://www.cpokemon.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/10/Diggersby-607x455.jpg)
He's a big badass looking rabbit with fists for ears.
way better than intercourse ing buneary
...how in any sense of the word is Diggersby "badass"?
Quote from: The Riddler on October 04, 2013, 09:07:42 AM
you don't like diggersby?
(http://www.cpokemon.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/10/Diggersby-607x455.jpg)
He's a big badass looking rabbit with fists for ears.
way better than intercourse ing buneary
>liking htis morbidly obese motherintercourse er
[spoiler](http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/14/147536/2814834-snorlax_15771_20070714111046.jpg)[/spoiler]
Diggersby has that old-man badass look to him, the smug grin and beard, and intercourse ing fists for ears.
Quote from: The Riddler on October 04, 2013, 02:51:56 PM
[spoiler](http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/14/147536/2814834-snorlax_15771_20070714111046.jpg)[/spoiler]
Diggersby has that old-man badass look to him, the smug grin and beard, and intercourse ing fists for ears.
if you think a fat bugs bunny intercourse is badass then you're probably not as cool as you think you are
I don't get your issue with it. This is easily one of the closest to the original pokemon aesthetic designs they've released so far
Pokemon Bank confirmed for a December 27 release. You get a 30-day free trial, then it's $4.99 per year. So, you'll have to wait til then to transfer your 5th gen Pokemon to X/Y.
means we get 2 months before stealth rock is everywhere again im ok with this
Quote from: Neerb on October 04, 2013, 04:33:27 PM
Pokemon Bank confirmed for a December 27 release. You get a 30-day free trial, then it's $4.99 per year. So, you'll have to wait til then to transfer your 5th gen Pokemon to X/Y.
noooooo
I actually kinda like that there's only 70ish new Pokémon. I'm thinking the designers were like, "HEY LOOK AT DIS NOO DESIINE" and the boss guy was probably like "YOU GUYS KEEP DOING THE SAME SHIT OVER AND OVER AGAIN, OK, we're taking out all the copied poop and keeping our more original ones."
Though I guess you disagree, this seems to be a VERY original cast of Pokémon in my opinion.
Quote from: JrDude 益 on October 04, 2013, 09:43:10 PM
I actually kinda like that there's only 70ish new Pokémon. I'm thinking the designers were like, "HEY LOOK AT DIS NOO DESIINE" and the boss guy was probably like "YOU GUYS KEEP DOING THE SAME SHIT OVER AND OVER AGAIN, OK, we're taking out all the copied poop and keeping our more original ones."
Though I guess you disagree, this seems to be a VERY original cast of Pokémon in my opinion.
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Quote from: The Riddler on October 04, 2013, 02:51:56 PM
[spoiler](http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/14/147536/2814834-snorlax_15771_20070714111046.jpg)[/spoiler]
Diggersby has that old-man badass look to him, the smug grin and beard, and intercourse ing fists for ears.
Haha oh wow
Behold: basically EVERYTHING.
[spoiler](http://i.imgur.com/SiT34fr.jpg)[/spoiler]
That's pretty much it, folks. Zygarde, the 3rd member of this gen's legendary cover trio, is number 718 in the National Dex, and since 718-649=69, this is basically it. There's almost definitely an event-exclusive legendary or two after Zygarde, and the leakers are still discovering new Megas scattered around (supposedly there's a Galvantula one we haven't seen yet), but otherwise you're looking at the full Gen 6: 68 brand new Pokemon, one Eeveelution, and 20-ish Megas.
X & Y are by no means small, though: each of the 3 regional dexes, Mountain, Coastal, and Central, has 150 Pokemon old and new, meaning there are 450 Pokemon roaming the region of Kalos. That's NOT the National Dex, mind you, meaning theoretically there are even more in the post-game.
Game freak goofed if that's the case
oh well still buying it anyway
Quote from: Zero on October 07, 2013, 12:11:38 AM
oh well still buying it anyway
My thoughts through this entire experience.
I get that Zygarde is supposed to have the "opposite" typings of Yvetel and Xerneas but...honestly...they missed a really good chance to do a unique typing instead of [spoiler]Dragon/Ground.[/spoiler]
Why not Dragon/Bug? Dragon/Fairy? Grass/Dragon?
I would've even been happy with Electric/Dragon, even though Mega-Ampharos has the typing.
Game Freak seems to really want to drag out the adding of unused type combinations for some intercourse ed up reason.
what are you kids gonna use for your team?
heres mine plus some extras that i might switch out
(http://i48.photobucket.com/albums/f214/jack_luvr1800/pokemonxy.png)
I don't know for sure because I don't know many old pokemon that are in the game yet.
So far:
-Froakie
-Charmander
-Phantump
-Skrelp
-Honedge
-Mareep
Alts:
-Tyrunt
-Mawile
-Fletchling
-Goomy
-Ralts
-Pancham
-Absol
Quote from: Zero on October 08, 2013, 05:28:34 PM
I get that Zygarde is supposed to have the "opposite" typings of Yvetel and Xerneas but...honestly...they missed a really good chance to do a unique typing instead of [spoiler]Dragon/Ground.[/spoiler]
Because of his origin.
In Norse mythology, Yggdrasil, the great life tree connecting all worlds, has several great creatures living upon it.
At the top of the tree, watching over the afterlife and realm of the gods, roosts the great eagle; it is blind, but can see into people's souls.
At the bottom of the tree, on the ground, live four great deer who watch over the realm of earth. The deer each have different colored gems in their antlers; one yellow, one blue, one red, and one purple.
And in the roots of the tree, lives the great world serpent. It's a tremendous dragon slithering between the roots, watching the realms of monsters and the underworld.
These three beasts are the inspiration for Xerneas, Yveltal, and Zygarde, and they work in several different ways.
Yveltal is the eagle; it's a bird, clearly, and its eyes are bright blue and lack pupils, implying that it is indeed blind. Its dex entry and Kalos-based lore also indicate that it has a connection to souls. Yveltal is also the "Y" Pokemon because it is Y-shaped when it spreads its wings and because, as the top of the tree, it represents the Y-dimension of height. Its typing is Dark/Flying due to its connections to the afterlife and hieght.
Xerneas is the four deer rolled into one. It has four sets of antlers, each of which has gems of the same colors as the mythological deer. It is the "X" Pokemon because from the front, its antlers and legs make it look like an X, and has the Pokemon on the ground, it represents the X-dimension of width. It is Fairy due to its mystic, woodland spirit nature and because it watches over the realm of humans (though I would have made it Fairy/Grass, personally).
Finally, Zygarde is the world serpent. Zygarde is the "Z" Pokemon because it can slither into a "Z" shape, and its ability to slither underground and back and forth between the tree roots make it represent the Z-dimension, depth. It is Dragon/Ground because it is, in fact, a great serpent (dragon snake) that lives underground.
Also, Kalos is France, and it makes sense that the legendaries of the first European region are of European origin.
The quadruple nature of these three legendaries combined with how they look easily makes them may favorite cover legendaries since Lugia. All three of them are awesome, and the thought behind them is genius.
Ignoring Megas for now, since more are being found each day and I don't know which I want, and using only new Pokemon. Undecided on Ghost/Grass pair:
(http://i.imgur.com/v2IW0eg.png)
Delphox because I wanted the Mage, but I'mma be stuck with Chesnaught for a while.
Diggersby because of the old-man and smug badass look.
Pyroar because it's one of the best things to come out of this generation.
Dragalalgalage because Poison/Dragon is unique and cool.
Hawlucha because Fighting/Flying is intercourse ing pro
the last one because spooky
I appreciate the effort Neerb but I'm well aware of the Norse inspiration. /vp/ won't shut up about it.
I'm just saying that they missed a good opportunity and its true.
Also the dark type has nothing to do with the afterlife. It's literally just "Evil" type in japan.
These are my potential Gen 6 exclusive team members. I plan to have 5 of the regular ones and one Mega, of course.
(http://i457.photobucket.com/albums/qq292/BalladOfGales/xyteams_zpsee81be13.png)
Quote from: Zero on October 08, 2013, 06:19:29 PM
Also the dark type has nothing to do with the afterlife. It's literally just "Evil" type in japan.
I guess makes sense too; evil and death are associated pretty often, and the dex makes it seem like a soul-sucking monster phoenix.
Yeah it still makes sense.
I like how most of us really like Dragalge. Sweet.
Quote from: Zero on October 08, 2013, 06:46:53 PM
Yeah it still makes sense.
I like how most of us really like Dragalge. Sweet.
i hate it's design. i was really disappointed that skrelp was my exclusive
but god dangit dragon/poison is cool
Quote from: Zero on October 08, 2013, 06:46:53 PM
I like how most of us really like Dragalge. Sweet.
He looks freaking amazing; the typing is just a bonus. He's the Y-exclusive sea creature, by the way; his X version parallel is Clawitzer, who admittedly is pretty awesome in his own right.
Quote from: The Riddler on October 08, 2013, 07:10:45 PM
i hate it's design. i was really disappointed that skrelp was my exclusive
but god dangit dragon/poison is cool
Well... I guess that's just the opposite of what I said now isn't it.
I know Reddit is flipping about that typing, though. Personally I don't see the big deal; it's unique, yay.
Quote from: Zero on October 08, 2013, 06:46:53 PM
I like how most of us really like Dragalge. Sweet.
there's barely 6 new pokemon worth using, of course there's going to be a lot of overlap.
relatively wide range of defense.
1/2x Electric, Fire, Water, Bug, Fighting, Poison
1/4x Grass
2x Dragon, Ice, Ground, Psychic
weakness to fairy removed by poison type
I never decide which Pokemon to use beforehand, I like not knowing who will end up in my team when I'm playing the game. I like Braixen a lot but I've since started to like Chesnaught so I'll be picking Chespin.
Others I like and at least want to try out in my team, off the top of my head, would be:
Gourgeist
Meowstic (female)
Spritzee (won't evolve it)
Phantump (MAYBE Trevenant)
Pangoro
Klefki
uHHH Dragalge
Sliggoo/Goodra
Quote from: zephilicious on October 08, 2013, 07:16:54 PM
there's barely 6 new pokemon worth using, of course there's going to be a lot of overlap.
oh come on that's subjective
Quote from: Zero on October 09, 2013, 08:31:59 AM
oh come on that's subjective
There are very few of them and almost none of them will be usable post-game and several of them look under-evolved or just ugly.
It's subjective, but not by too much.
Quote from: Neerb on October 09, 2013, 09:52:33 AM
There are very few of them and almost none of them will be usable post-game and several of them look under-evolved or just ugly.
It's subjective, but not by too much.
"Almost none of them will be usable post-game"
what? Are you intercourse ing kidding me? If I can win Pokemon World Tournaments in BW2 with my Pidgeot then theres no reason you can't just use what you want. It's not like you have to use Dedenne. Shit.
Technique and Ability notes:
- Hidden Power now has a set strength of 60 BP. Type is still determined by IVs, though.
- Thunder, Blizzard, and Fire Blast have been nerfed to 110 BP.
- Weather-inducing abilities, such as Sand Stream, Snow Warning, Drizzle, and Drought, now last 5 turns instead of the entire match.
- Mega Gardevoir has an ability that changes Normal moves to Fairy type, and Aurorus has a similar ability that changes Normal moves to Ice type. It is speculated that this ability exists in other types as well. Also, Mega Gardevoir's Normal-to-Fairy ability is called "Pixilate," which is the best thing I've ever heard.
- Frost Breath, the always-crit Ice move, has been boosted from 40 BP to 60 BP.
Quote from: Neerb on October 09, 2013, 09:49:46 PM
Technique and Ability notes:
- Weather-inducing abilities, such as Sand Stream, Snow Warning, Drizzle, and Drought, now last 5 turns instead of the entire match.
holy poop
well weather teams finally got the nerf they deserved
but they'll still be good
http://imgur.com/a/0Qt5N
Seems shiny rates are up, people on /vp/ is finding shinys left and right
Quote from: The Riddler on October 10, 2013, 03:41:27 PM
Seems shiny rates are up, people on /vp/ is finding shinys left and right
dunno if this is cool or not
i'll be happy with more of htem but if they're super common it won't really be as crazy to have one, ya know?
Quote from: The Riddler on October 10, 2013, 03:41:27 PM
Seems shiny rates are up, people on /vp/ is finding shinys left and right
there's really not a big enough sample size to know this yet,
maybe 5 have been posted between a couple dozen early copies at this point, thats not unreasonable
Quote from: The Riddler on October 10, 2013, 12:26:22 PM
http://imgur.com/a/0Qt5N
I'm making it a personal goal to get each and every form of Vivillon out there. "gotta catch 'em all" or whatever.
Confirmed Megas so far:
Ampharos
Gengar
Aerodactyl
Abomasnow
Lucario
Venusaur
Charizard X
Charizard Y
Blastoise
Blaziken
Gyarados
Garchomp
Pinsir
Heracross
Medicham
Banette
Mewtwo X
Mewtwo Y
Gardevoir
Absol
Tyrannitar
Aggron
Kangaskhan
Mawile
Alakazam
Houndoom
Manetric
And they're still finding more. I'll update as they show more.
In order to find Mega Stones, you can use a detector you get from Professor Sycamore. However, the detector only works between 8 PM and 9 PM for who knows why.
FLAREON
LEARNS
FLARE BLITZ
(http://24.media.tumblr.com/9cc07de048a3c1b5b389aa4a16131fd5/tumblr_mui6z9FyNk1s4nlxfo1_400.jpg)
(http://31.media.tumblr.com/018a149689f7955c605e94d9aa03010d/tumblr_mui6z9FyNk1s4nlxfo2_400.jpg)
(http://31.media.tumblr.com/2aa4d69c139119d8d599fb9b3b89e5c5/tumblr_mui6z9FyNk1s4nlxfo3_400.jpg)
(http://31.media.tumblr.com/e337931ad1168aa9fbea1184e0379aac/tumblr_mui6z9FyNk1s4nlxfo4_400.jpg)
i like the second one
[spoiler]i hate the last one[/spoiler]
if we don't get a mega dewgong i'mma be so fukin piss i'm gonna order so many pizzas to gamefreak headquarters from dominos gosh darn basedgod
I didn't like Mega Heracross at first but he's growing on me.
i mean he's really just based on a hercules beetle:
(http://scienceblogs.com.br/brazillion/files/2011/08/Dynastes_hercules_hercules.jpg)
Quote from: Zero on October 11, 2013, 09:56:33 AM
I didn't like Mega Heracross at first but he's growing on me.
He has Mega Man hand cannons.
Also, this guy is amazing.
(http://i.imgur.com/WY9WNDv.png)
Also also, Mega Gyarados is Water/Dark. Sorry boy, no Dragon for you.
water/dark?
intercourse
mega scizor was confirmed
basically he's gonna rape the poop out of everything
I love how fast the beginning of this game is i had pokeballs in like 30 seconds
im like 17 hours in and only have two badges
what
Quote from: Zero on October 14, 2013, 05:17:13 AM
im like 17 hours in and only have two badges
what
This game is SOOO LOOOONG. 8 towns, fossils, enemy team, rival battles, battle chateau, ONE BADGE.
I love it.
nope you guys is just slow
Quote from: zephilicious on October 14, 2013, 11:05:58 AM
nope you guys is just slow
nah this game is longer than the ohters
i beat black and white the day i had it
as in beat the e4 twice and beat the champion
i don't think it's possible to beat this one in a day
I beat the game at maybe 20 hours in the last two generations, looking at probably 30 this time
longer sure but that that huge
12:39 clocked, just finished the fourth gym.
160 pokemon seen
Just cleared the elite 4 at 29:48, pokedex is 172/335
I need dem friend codes for friend safari, i added a bunch from that other thread add me and stuff
0490-5775-6536
Well I've dicked around with super training and used Amie to evolve my Riolu. Also I've been catching every single mon' on each route and spent like an hour hunting down a male litleo that I never found.
Zygarde, Mewtwo, and Pokerus down at 31:51
Wonder trade is neat
every gym leader has 2-3 pokemon
jesus intercourse ing christ game freak is it so hard to throw in a challenge mode from the get go
I wish I hadn't left the exp. share on for most of the game, that killed the difficulty more than anything else.
on the other hand its great for post game grinding.
if you're going to have features like the new exp share, amie, lucky egg held items, and super training...
then why not have a challenge mode?
I get that Battle Tower and online multiplayer is where the hard stuff is but come on.
i love this game but i just dont understand game freak at all. they know more than just kids play this.
attacks that clearly use wind still don't remove entry hazards either
twister, gust, air cutter, hurricane, heat wave, etc.
All moves that should remove entry hazards.
how is it that they can create this mega evolution crap and not give a mega to a single gen 6 pokemon?
Quote from: The Riddler on October 17, 2013, 09:30:20 AM
how is it that they can create this mega evolution crap and not give a mega to a single gen 6 pokemon?
well i mean they actively decided not to it's not like they just forgot or something
i understand that, but for a region so focused on the idea of mega evolutions, how can their natively exclusive pokemon not have a single mega amongst the bunch?
mega aegislash, mega malamar, mega tyrantrum
there a few good intercourse ing possibilities
Quote from: The Riddler on October 17, 2013, 09:30:20 AM
how is it that they can create this mega evolution crap and not give a mega to a single gen 6 pokemon?
we dont really know for sure if all the megas have been found yet. Also it makes sense for older generation pokemon to have priority for megas.
Gen V got shafted so far too.
Quote from: Zero on October 17, 2013, 12:28:21 PM
we dont really know for sure if all the megas have been found yet. Also it makes sense for older generation pokemon to have priority for megas.
Gen V got shafted so far too.
nah they said themselves that htey didn't want there to be any 6th gen mega evolutions
yep sucks that the 6th gen pokemon are the poopty ones that need it
instead we get the two most powerful non legendary pokemon in the game
its not like the Pokemon money train is going to end any time soon. they can't do everything all at once.
Gen VII should be pretty intense
Devolutions, where babies become even more useless and pathetic, but killing them has a terrible consequence delivered.
Quote from: JrDude 益 on October 19, 2013, 12:00:03 AM
Devolutions, where babies become even more useless and pathetic, but killing them has a terrible consequence delivered.
10/10 go apply they need you
I don't get why a game featuring fashion and beauty and stuff has poopty customization options. Not even a Team Flare outfit.
I hope trainer customization is here to stay and not just another gen-exclusive gimmick.
Quote from: Sirwaddy on October 19, 2013, 06:35:17 PM
Not even a Team Flare outfit.
not that i am opposed to the option but of course they didn't let you do that, this isn't Saint's Row, lol.
just pulled a modest swift swim poliwag from a horde someone evolve this ninny for me
Quote from: zephilicious on October 20, 2013, 03:33:31 PM
just pulled a modest swift swim poliwag from a horde someone evolve this ninny for me
i dont have a kings rock but i'll help if you do
yeah i have kings rock, just need the trade
I'm hopping on now
Drizzletoed and heliolisk are the perfect doubles team
Quote from: zephilicious on October 21, 2013, 12:46:41 AM
Drizzletoed and heliolisk are the perfect doubles team
I got sandy Heliolisk, so I pair her with Tyrannitar.
Not nearly as effective, with the earthquake and all (plus Heliolisk has never actually managed to dodge anything), but it'll have to do for now.
Also, I finally beat the Champion. My final team:
Gawain, the Chesnaught
Flameo, the Charizard (he's Timid, too! on the first try!)
Morpheus, the Malamar (Adamant, and a freaking psychopath)
Eliza, the Heliolisk
Toph, the Tyrannitar
Renard, the Sylveon (Modest, but only after a friend and I did a lot of searching)
I've yet to find that Mareep I need for Amfabios, but Heliolisk is so much better than I thought it was, now I'm not even sure I can bring myself to drop her.
I only just beat the 4th gym leader and I'm in the Power planet now. Been catching everything before moving on. Still haven't found that Male Litleo.
Neerb, Mareep is on Route 12. You get Amphorosite around there too.
Quote from: Zero on October 21, 2013, 10:22:07 AM
I only just beat the 4th gym leader and I'm in the Power planet now. Been catching everything before moving on. Still haven't found that Male Litleo.
Neerb, Mareep is on Route 12. You get Amphorosite around there too.
yooo that's where i am
cool someone else is taking their time
most of my friends are almost done or done with this game
Quote from: Custom on October 21, 2013, 10:28:43 AM
yooo that's where i am
cool someone else is taking their time
most of my friends are almost done or done with this game
It's a pretty cool game.
I beat it. 3ds broke though. Charger port shot. Nintendo is repairing it for free since I'm a loyal customer, booya.
The game gets really dark btw, at least in Y.
Quote from: The Riddler on October 21, 2013, 11:58:23 AM
The game gets really dark btw, at least in Y.
i really doubt this
it's probably some generic thing like "omg da end of the world"
Quote from: Custom on October 21, 2013, 03:23:53 PM
i really doubt this
it's probably some generic thing like "omg da end of the world"
nah it just has some adult themes that hit your heartstrings but also some really dark stuff
there's gonna be one point where youre like
oh wow this took a turn
although i think x's story is slightly different so idk if it's the same for both games
Gosh dang it I was THERE, I HAVE the Ampharosite! I must have just completely missed the Mareep there. Well, time to go hunting.
Also, I'm just going to say, this is my favorite Pokemon game ever by a ridiculous landslide. Huge world, some of my favorite environments (the fall and winter areas particularly), more forgiving quantities of surf and cave areas, custom clothing and appearance, PR videos (spent 30 min. making mine, it's awesome), tons of daily stuff to do, and of course beautiful 3D graphics with lots and lots of detailed arena and moving animation. Granted, it's not my favorite story ever, I guess, but it's still pretty good, and the villain is definitely awesome with his straightforwardly evil plan and his hilariously over-the-top final boss fight.
Plus, the 3 touch screen apps are freaking amazing.
PokemonAmie is BRILLIANT and here's why. Every game since R/S/E has tried to come up with a 3rd option besides "catch 'em all" and "be the very best," and frankly I get why they'd want to have some new appeal after several games. However, everything so far has been super shoehorned in, getting worse every gen. Contests, Super Contests, Pokeathelon, Musicals, Movies? It started with "why bother" and turned into "what the heck?" Now, however, is something that finally feels NATURAL, like it actually belongs in a Pokemon game: bonding. Pokemon are your companions, right? Like teammates mixed with pets, they travel with you and you bond with them, with Happiness already having been a feature since 2nd gen. So, if you want something to do besides fight with them, what's the logical way to go? Actually treat them like pets! Any Pokemon at any time at any place can be let out of its Pokeball and you can pet it, feed it, and play with it. There's practicality to it as well, as some Pokemon must be bonded with to evolve. Plus, maxing your Pokemon's affection will bring a anime-like quality to the single-player battles; your Pokemon will look back at you occasionally, you can tell what emotions its going through, it gains heightened evasiveness and crit chance due to your bond as trainer and Pokemon. The entire experience just feels so much like Pokemon SHOULD, like this could have been in the original game had the tech allowed. I just pray they keep it around.
Next is Super Training, which shows that GameFreak is finally willing to address how competitive this series really is. By being able to see and boost EVs at any time, as well as reset them if you trained something wrong, we can finally get past the wall that has separated the elite from the plebeians and ruined the online fun of the last 2 gens. EVERYONE can train properly, without impossibly rare berries or hours of repetitive grinding or tracking invisible stats on pen and paper. Now you can play minigames (admittedly random and shoehorned ones, but still very fun and strangely Kid Icarus-y) to boost EVs quickly, throw out a punching bag and have your Pokemon train automatically while you do other activities, or at least have a rough in-game estimate of your progress while you do the same old grinding song-and-dance. Pokemon training can be FUN and relatively simple for the first time since the Game Boy.
Finally, the online. Holy crap, this is Nintendo's crowning online achievement. Pokemon is basically now an MMO, and in an actually GOOD way. If you are playing X or Y and you have an internet connection, you are ALWAYS online playing with EVERYONE else. You can see your friends, acquaintances, and hundreds of random strangers passing you by at any given moment. Fight with or trade with or watch a PR video of ANYONE at ANY TIME YOU WANT. Wanna use the GTS? Yeah, it's still there, but why bother when you can pick specific players, or even use the addicting WonderTrade and have fun trading at random. In a battling mood? Call out any specific player for a showdown, set up a match and wait for an offer, or just jump in randomly. You can even use your VS Recorder to record fights, then battle an AI version of the enemy team, meaning you can fight your friends even when you/they aren't online anymore. Too filthy and casual for your taste? Sync up to the Pokemon Global Link and start doing ranked battles. That's right, RANKED, and right now we're in SEASON 1, like it's the freaking Pro Gaming League (WHOLLY CRAP THAT'S PGL TOO). You can also use the PGL (Pokemon, not LoL) website to check out players' profile, including their in-game single player medals, as in ACHIEVEMENTS. Welcome to freaking 2013, Nintendo fans.
Quote from: The Riddler on October 21, 2013, 03:45:16 PM
nah it just has some adult themes that hit your heartstrings but also some really dark stuff
I wouldn't go that far. I beat the game and there were no "adult themes", there's I
guess a slightly dark thing but that's it really.
The story wasn't necessarily bad, but I wouldn't say it deserves all this praise either. It's just there. The stories of the main series have never been their strong suit.
Yeah thats all bullpoop. games can be ok and fun to play without being the best game ever.
The graphics are terrible by 3ds standards, and on top of that they couldnt maintain consistent 3d or fix the really obvious framerate issues when it is on? The style has the potential to age better than some games, but they're going to need to fix these issues in upcoming releases.
Inconsistency is a huge problem in the animations too. Hyper beam and focus blast look cool as intercourse , but then you've got something like wood hammer. The lazy pokemon animations really hurt the experience at times. Pokemon like meditite and hitmontop completely lost what made them unique in the transition.
Amie is just as much pointless grinding as happiness has been since gen 2 (and really they should be the same thing). Shoving muffins down his through and rubbing his penis for half an hour doesn't make me feel any closer to my pokemon.
Super training is just as irrelevant. The graphical representation of the evs is nice, but really evs were the easiest part of training pokemon and if you need cute little minigames to figure them out you're still going to lose to anyone that knows what they're doing. And it's not even fast. Spend some time grinding battle mansion for the power items, turn on exp. all and you can simultaneously grind 6 pokemon up to max stats in like 10 minutes. Breeding for ivs and egg moves is super easy now too. So they're catering a little bit to competitive players, but not through super training.
The online play is nice, but giving them that much praise for catching up to what everyone else has been doing for the better part of a decade?
There's a new method of catching Shinies, if none of you have read about it yet.
I just confirmed it and nearly poop myself.
Basically, get an octillery with suction cups and surf next to a rock or a wall. Then fish. Run away. Fish. Run away. etc, until you have a shiny.
New to this game is "consecutive fishing" - if you keep fishing in a single spot without moving and without failing to hook something, your odds of finding a "Rare" pokemon (read: shiny) increases.
the octillery is to make it so you catch more often, because if you get "not even a nibble..." it breaks the streak. you cannot move from your spot either. apparently being against a rock or a wall increases the likeliness of catching something too.
at first i thought it was just referring to all the seadra i was finding
then a shiny relicanth showed up
The graphics aren't terrible. When I look at Pangoro's model for example I'm pretty impressed though enemy pokemon tend to look worse. I guess its because they're further away. 3D sucks my battery life to nothing to I don't really use it for long periods. Frame rate issues when using it are for the most part irrelevant.
Meditite goes into a meditation stance when using certain moves, and I haven't seen hitmontop yet.
In Pokemon Amie, you do more than touch their dicks and shove food down their throats. You can give high fives with certain pokemon, make others dizzy, wake others up, and so on there are probably things I haven't even discovered yet. But the main benefit is how it takes far less time to evolve Pokemon via happiness because of it. I evolved my Riolu and one of my Eevee by getting them to max Amie and just using them normally. They evolved much faster than they did in past games. I had a Lucario by level 19 instead of by level 35-40 for once. I had an Umbreon by level intercourse ing 20. FINALLY happiness isn't intercourse ing retardedly time consuming. Also its cute as intercourse .
And dude what. Turning on the EXP All shares EVs too. How often do you find yourself needing to train 6 pokemon in all the exact same stat? You can't control what Pokemon are fought in the Battle Mansion, can you? So you have NO control over what EVs you get. How is that better than Super Training? It really isn't.
After using vitamins to reach 100 in a stat it takes about 10 minutes to get a stat maxed, plus I get special bags along the way including Reset bags which are pretty intercourse ing important. The EV berries are very inefficient. Super Training is pretty great.
Same method just got me a shiny horsea in less than ten minutes
Quote from: Zero on October 22, 2013, 05:24:18 AM
But the main benefit is how it takes far less time to evolve Pokemon via happiness because of it. I evolved my Riolu and one of my Eevee by getting them to max Amie and just using them normally. They evolved much faster than they did in past games. I had a Lucario by level 19 instead of by level 35-40 for once. I had an Umbreon by level intercourse ing 20. FINALLY happiness isn't intercourse ing retardedly time consuming. Also its cute as intercourse .
It is very well established that Amie has nothing to do with happiness. Happiness has always happened that early if you actually play through the game with your pokemon. It only takes longer if you're trying to grind for it against late game high level pokemon.
Quote from: Zero on October 22, 2013, 05:24:18 AM
And dude what. Turning on the EXP All shares EVs too. How often do you find yourself needing to train 6 pokemon in all the exact same stat? You can't control what Pokemon are fought in the Battle Mansion, can you? So you have NO control over what EVs you get. How is that better than Super Training? It really isn't.
Battle mansion as always gives no experience and no evs, you grind that for the items to get easy evs elsewhere.
Using the power items you can be grinding two stats at once. Say you want three pokemon with speed and one other stat. Give them the item for the other stat and grind them in a speed location. You'll max both stats for all 3 pokemon in the time it would take to max one is super training.
Quote from: zephilicious on October 22, 2013, 10:41:57 AM
It is very well established that Amie has nothing to do with happiness. Happiness has always happened that early if you actually play through the game with your pokemon. It only takes longer if you're trying to grind for it against late game high level pokemon.
Bullpoop. In BW2 I used my Riolu like crazy. It never fainted. I used items on it. Kept it in first slot. Everything you're supposed to do, but it still took till around level 35. Same goes for Eevees in other games.
Did they shorten the time it takes or something?
Ever since gen 2 I've had zubats evolve into crobat one level after golbat with basically no extra work
this game I had an azurill evolve somewhere around 22 with no amie or anything
riolu only evolves during the day is that your problem?
just got another shiny horsea trying to get a skrelp
this trick is legit
Quote from: The Riddler on October 22, 2013, 06:33:39 PM
just got another shiny horsea trying to get a skrelp
this trick is legit
But what if they shiny I want isn't a sea creature? Shiny Horseas are only cool for so long.
Quote from: Neerb on October 22, 2013, 08:36:38 PM
But what if they shiny I want isn't a sea creature? Shiny Horseas are only cool for so long.
go back to that method from d/p then
it's in this game too i think
other than that YOU'RE SCREWED
also i feel like this method makes it a lot less cool to have sea shinies
now when i see one i'm just going to think "oh he just did the fishing trick" and not care you know what i mean?
Quote from: Custom on October 22, 2013, 08:39:37 PM
also i feel like this method makes it a lot less cool to have sea shinies
now when i see one i'm just going to think "oh he just did the fishing trick" and not care you know what i mean?
Exactly what I'm thinking; if all shinies (or at least most, since non-breedables will always be harder to get) were easier to get, I"d just think "cool, I can get shinies easier now." But to only focus on a certain group like sea Pokemon, it just devalues that group.
That said, I do think they lowered the shiny rate in general this gen; I've seen people get them left and right, with myself and two of my friends getting a wild shiny each before the 2nd gym.
And if super training wasn't slow enough, apparently sweet scent guarantees hordes in any of the locations where hordes are possible
so sweet scent plus surf gets you 50-60 EVs per pokemon in like 10 seconds
Quote from: zephilicious on October 22, 2013, 02:31:55 PM
Ever since gen 2 I've had zubats evolve into crobat one level after golbat with basically no extra work
this game I had an azurill evolve somewhere around 22 with no amie or anything
riolu only evolves during the day is that your problem?
Eh, I'm having trouble believing you. Happiness has always taken a while for me and most others I ask about it. Maybe you just walk in circles until it evolves? The roller skates make movement a lot quicker from the start of the game.
No, I know that Riolu evolves only during the day.
Quote from: zephilicious on October 23, 2013, 12:58:10 AM
And if super training wasn't slow enough, apparently sweet scent guarantees hordes in any of the locations where hordes are possible
so sweet scent plus surf gets you 50-60 EVs per pokemon in like 10 seconds
That's pretty awesome. Still, Super Training has its place. How else are you going to reset EVs? The EV berries suck.
Quote from: Zero on October 23, 2013, 07:45:40 AM
That's pretty awesome. Still, Super Training has its place. How else are you going to reset EVs? The EV berries suck.
That's my favorite part. I can play though the story with the Pokemon I like and then just reset their EVs after I beat it and its time to get serious.
Chances are the pokemon you played through the game with have the wrong nature and poop ivs, fixing their evs isn't going to do much.
Quote from: zephilicious on October 23, 2013, 11:10:31 AM
Chances are the pokemon you played through the game with have the wrong nature and poop ivs, fixing their evs isn't going to do much.
yeah, you're right. Still it can help them at least be somewhat usable in the other battle modes.
Thankfully my Jolteon is Timid and seems to have decent IVs. I lucked out.
Anyway I'm still taking my time with this game. Here's where I'm at so far:
Pokedex: 239
Central: 89 obtained 116 seen
Coastal: 64 obtained 94 seen
Mountain: 6 obtained 26 seen
Time: 35:39
Badges: 5
Team:
Dr.Rockso (Tyrantrum) Lv40
Gyuki (Jolteon) Lv36
Leorio (Lucario) Lv 35
BonClay (Gardevoir) Lv 35
Kazuma (Charizard) Lv 37
Keroji (Greninja) Lv 38
Alts:
Biggs (Talonflame) Lv 37
Jack Black (Pangoro) Lv 37
Blaziken Lv 46
Brootal (Doublade) Lv 35
Ferrothorn Lv 41
I like changing up my party all the time and going back to the Battle Chateau to evolve other pokemon. Post-game will be great and all but I am just refusing to rush to it this time around.
Quote from: Zero on October 23, 2013, 11:35:57 AM
Post-game will be great and all but I am just refusing to rush to it this time around.
post game will be poop if you do all the extra poop up front
Quote from: zephilicious on October 23, 2013, 11:52:39 AM
post game will be poop if you do all the extra poop up front
extra poop? like completing pokedex entries?
nah i'm cool with getting that out of the way.
I'm still going to prepare some competitive teams and breed like crazy like I usually do.
Quote from: zephilicious on October 23, 2013, 11:10:31 AM
Chances are the pokemon you played through the game with have the wrong nature and poop ivs, fixing their evs isn't going to do much.
Adamant Malamar, Modest Sylveon, and Timid Charizard aren't exactly poorly natured.
There is VERY little post game, friend safari, mewtwo, zygard. That's about it. Save your pokemon hunting til then
Quote from: The Riddler on October 23, 2013, 12:45:40 PM
There is VERY little post game, friend safari, mewtwo, zygard. That's about it. Save your pokemon hunting til then
I'm aware.
lol no. I'm cool with the way I'm playing, thanks. I've caught them all every gen and at this point just want to play the game slower. There will still be dex entries for me to fill once I complete the game. Pokemon like Growlithe can only be obtained via Friend Safari or trading after all. Also the battle tower equivalent should keep me busy.
It's easier to farm for BP since you get 1 after each battle instead of 2 after seven, so I plan on spending my post-game time buying all the expensive stuff there.
Plus I'm also working on completing the Kalos dex. Only the new 70 guys, since come december I can transfer over the rest of the pokemon.
I also plant a lot of berries in that awesome garden place. It's minimal but I like the stuff I'm doing after beating the game. My only gripe is, like with New Leaf, I want to change my character's clothes almost daily, but there aren't many options for the guy that I like. But I've complained about that already.
Yeah. The hat store has had the same hats for me two days in a row.
Quote from: The Riddler on October 23, 2013, 12:45:40 PM
There is VERY little post game, friend safari, mewtwo, zygard. That's about it. Save your pokemon hunting til then
There's a lot to do around the region; daily events in tons of towns, lots to do in Lumiose like detective missions and restaurant battles, etc.
The actual post-game area is tiny, but Kalos as a whole still has plenty to do.
I hated Gardevoir for the longest time
but now i can't stop laughing at her
(https://scontent-a-lga.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-frc3/1384045_10153393222220634_417361872_n.jpg)
that's hella old bruh
i still love gardevior but not for the weird sex reasons
new to me
people ruined aegislash for me already too. there's like four ways to look at him.
(http://i.imgur.com/Fjy3Grw.png)
i still just see it as a sword holding a shield and not any of the weird things they drew on there
i dunno
Quote from: Custom on October 23, 2013, 07:15:41 PM
i still just see it as a sword holding a shield and not any of the weird things they drew on there
i dunno
idk they're just goofing around they know what it really is
just like with gardevoir. I doubt Rob actually thinks Gardevoir looks like that.
obviously
but once you see it that way its hard to not see it
Quote from: The Riddler on October 23, 2013, 07:33:55 PM
obviously
but once you see it that way its hard to not see it
not really because that is not what it is but if that's the way your brain works...
its like these
(http://pictures.mastermarf.com/blog/2009/090622-007-unsee-it-550.jpg)(http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-uKfX_Y1WR-M/Tz_SBiTWuJI/AAAAAAAACI4/07xAOkdo7_k/s1600/cant-unsee-it.jpg)
yeah but i just constantly unsee it do you really look at the kfc guy and think that's a tiny body
i only see it when i look at these images telling me to see it and then it goes back tot he way it was before
I don't even see the james bond one the hand is too far forward
Quote from: Custom on October 23, 2013, 08:55:31 PM
yeah but i just constantly unsee it do you really look at the kfc guy and think that's a tiny body
i only see it when i look at these images telling me to see it and then it goes back tot he way it was before
I don't even see the james bond one the hand is too far forward
now that i've gone though all the cities i dunno i feel like this game has a lot of customization options and feel like they did a good job on adding clothes and poop
i really don't want more out that aspect, they did a great job considering this was their first try at it
good on you gamefreak more than enough options you did it right
what bothers me about the customization is that you cant take the hat off or keep your facial hair from the pr videos
you take the hat off at the s tylist so it's not like he cant take his hat off
and why would you only have facial hair for a pr video it makes no sense
The looker storyline post game was pretty much more interesting than anything else in the games story
Can anyone spare a Sun Stone? As far as I can tell there are 2 and I used both of them already.
Secret super training can get you more
Ooh sweet. Any specific game, or do I just randomly play them til I get one?
secret super training. they're all named after the stones they give you.
somebody finally hacked all the event pokemon in
(http://i.imgur.com/wQcN3Bc.jpg)
Quote from: zephilicious on October 31, 2013, 11:22:37 AM
secret super training. they're all named after the stones they give you.
This is all I use super training for, it's the best way to get all those stones that were usually hard to come by. It's how I got 6 Shiny Stones. Super useful
Quote from: zephilicious on October 31, 2013, 03:21:31 PM
somebody finally hacked all the event pokemon in
(http://i.imgur.com/wQcN3Bc.jpg)
Well it's about time. Volcanion looks really big, Diancie is alright, and Hoopa is pretty cool. I'm assuming Hoopa is the mythical poke this gen, since it's small like Jirachi/celebi/etc
Volcanian has three x0.25 resistances. Two x0.5 resistances, and three weaknesses.
Not bad.
Geez, those things all look creepy. I bet that crystal one is connected to the Anistar Sun Dial some how.
(http://i1.wp.com/pokejungle.net/wp-content/uploads/2013/11/mega-latias.png?resize=400%2C240)
(http://i2.wp.com/pokejungle.net/wp-content/uploads/2013/11/mega-latios.png?resize=400%2C240)
(http://i1.wp.com/pokejungle.net/wp-content/uploads/2013/11/vivillon-special-1.png?resize=400%2C240)
(http://i0.wp.com/pokejungle.net/wp-content/uploads/2013/11/vivillon-special-2.png?resize=400%2C240)
(http://i0.wp.com/pokejungle.net/wp-content/uploads/2013/10/1383297774657.png?resize=400%2C240)
Welp, Lati@s get the same mega evolution. Those vivillons better be events because getting the other 18 forms was hell. I wanted AZ's Floette so that's rad
>Megas we didn't have access to
all is not lost in megas
>AZ's floette
coooooooooool but i bet it can't evolve
also btw mega kangaskhan is a intercourse ing rape train
Quote from: The Riddler on November 01, 2013, 05:40:17 PM
>AZ's floette
coooooooooool but i bet it can't evolve
They better not pull another spiky-eared pichu with this poop
Quote from: Sirwaddy on November 01, 2013, 05:54:29 PM
They better not pull another spiky-eared pichu with this poop
I was thinking more like Pikachu-colored Pichu, but yours is probably closer since PCP was technically just a regular shiny.