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Title: Pokémon Gray
Post by: JrDude on August 12, 2011, 02:19:33 AM

(Only some of the video matters to this topic)
Sounds like it may come to be. And you people basically "confirmed" it wasn't gonna exist. Though this technically doesn't confirm it, it basically does.
DIScuss changes that you want to be made, and expectations. DS or 3DS?
Title: Re: Pokémon Gray
Post by: Custom on August 12, 2011, 02:24:33 AM
i want it not to suck like black and white
those games were the easiest pokemon games i've ever played
they were very slow paced, go back and play leafgreen or firered, you run faster in those games than the bike in black and white
black and white were big ugly tricks that made you look at all the detail and garbage visuals and cut out the fun rpg parts of the games and made them too easy and had too many ugly pokemon

FIX EVERYTHING
also it better be 3ds only
intercourse  you slow ass ds users
Title: Re: Pokémon Gray
Post by: Hero_of_Darkness on August 12, 2011, 06:50:33 AM
Quote from: Custom on August 12, 2011, 02:24:33 AM
i want it not to suck like black and white
those games were the easiest pokemon games i've ever played
they were very slow paced, go back and play leafgreen or firered, you run faster in those games than the bike in black and white
black and white were big ugly tricks that made you look at all the detail and garbage visuals and cut out the fun rpg parts of the games and made them too easy and had too many ugly pokemon

FIX EVERYTHING
also it better be 3ds only
intercourse  you slow ass ds users
WTF?

Yeah, make it 3DS.
Title: Re: Pokémon Gray
Post by: Neerb on August 12, 2011, 07:19:02 AM
I want the first 3DS version to ACTUALLY USE THE TECHNOLOGY and have a fully 3D game instead of sprites.

Grey version needs to somehow be 2-way compatible with Black/White.

I want Grey to be DS just so it isn't more of an insult to Black/White owners. Releasing it on 3DS without being fully modernized would be insulting to 3DS owners, and making it fully modernized would make Black/White nothing more than chunks of plastic and metal in comparison.
Title: Re: Pokémon Gray
Post by: DededeCloneChris on August 12, 2011, 08:13:24 AM
Uh, people, Gray isn't happening. Stop fantasizing about there being a third version.
Title: Re: Pokémon Gray
Post by: Kayo on August 12, 2011, 09:07:28 AM
Quote from: MooglePlayerChris on August 12, 2011, 08:13:24 AM
Uh, people, Gray isn't happening. Stop fantasizing about there being a third version.
Wow I don't know what the intercourse  is wrong with you.

Red and Green got Blue. And Yellow. Gen I was complicated in Japan.
Gold and Silver got Crystal.
Ruby and Sapphire got Emerald.
Diamond and Pearl got Platinum.

There's enough circumstantial evidence to make the safe assumption that there WILL be a third version (Though it doesn't have to necessarily be called "Gray") and there's NOTHING that offers any sort of hint that there wouldn't be. Give me ONE REASON it wouldn't happen.

Also Jr, I'm not one that "confirmed it wasn't gonna exist". I knew a third version was coming since we first got B/W.

ALSO. 3DS would be really nice, as long as it can still connect to the DS easily somehow. They did this before, remember? Gold and Silver were on the Game Boy while Crystal was only for the Game Boy Color. There's a pretty decent chance of them doing that again, since it's a basic repeat of what they did 2nd gen. In both cases, the first games of the generation were on the same system that the previous generation was on. So it makes perfect sense.
Title: Re: Pokémon Gray
Post by: Custom on August 12, 2011, 09:45:31 AM
Quote from: Hero_of_Darkness on August 12, 2011, 06:50:33 AM
WTF?

Yeah, make it 3DS.

BRO
GO BACK AND PLAY A GAME LIKE LEAFGREEN
Black and white are a bunch of lies. And there is no doubt they are the easiest pokemon games. A lot of my first time friends had no trouble. I never whited out once. They're the easiest in the series.
Title: Re: Pokémon Gray
Post by: Kayo on August 12, 2011, 09:49:50 AM
Quote from: Custom on August 12, 2011, 09:45:31 AM
BRO
GO BACK AND PLAY A GAME LIKE LEAFGREEN
Black and white are a bunch of lies. And there is no doubt they are the easiest pokemon games. A lot of my first time friends had no trouble. I never whited out once. They're the easiest in the series.
Black and White didn't suck. They were fun to play, but there was no challenge. I never once whited out (or blacked out, which it was in 4th gen I think. I haven't seen what the message even is in B/W) or anything, and I took the Elite 4 down and everything after that without grinding. I beat the final boss with only 4 pokemon in my party. The main story was way too easy. Then the levels jumped by 20 when you walked into the post-E4 area but whatever. It was really fun, but I wish I didn't cut through it like butter.
Title: Re: Pokémon Gray
Post by: Hero_of_Darkness on August 12, 2011, 10:55:39 AM
Quote from: Custom on August 12, 2011, 09:45:31 AM
BRO
GO BACK AND PLAY A GAME LIKE LEAFGREEN
Black and white are a bunch of lies. And there is no doubt they are the easiest pokemon games. A lot of my first time friends had no trouble. I never whited out once. They're the easiest in the series.
The entire series is easy as intercourse . As far as difficulty goes, Y > R/B > FR/LG > R/S/E > B/W > G/S/C > HG/SS > D/P/Pt. I can't remember the last time I whited out, and frankly you're doing something wrong if you did in any of the Gen IV games.

B/W only felt a bit easier due to the fact that you level up super fast, so you never needed to grind until you beat the game, and even then the level spike meant that you level up even faster. Perhaps a large part of it is simply that you got better?
Title: Re: Pokémon Gray
Post by: JrDude on August 12, 2011, 11:40:45 AM
I haven't "whited out" in any Pokémon game in so intercourse ing long. And I'm not counting the after story battles with the secret ultra trainer.
Though, I did white out in the final part of the Plasma battle my first time. (I kept killing the legendary by accident, he weakened me, beat what's his face, then the second what's his face got killed and I killed myself with recoil, and it counted as losing)
I think Custom just sucked at Pokémon and is finally getting good?
Title: Re: Pokémon Gray
Post by: Kayo on August 12, 2011, 12:01:59 PM
Only reason I know that it says "blacked out" is because of my sister sucking at Pearl (She still hasn't beaten it).

Last time I whited out was in Sapphire, and that was intentional. Actually, scratch that. A few times I've intentionally whited out in the Elite Four because I only went in there to do something like train a Pokemon to evolve (a high level evolution like 40+) and then I'd often get bored with the E4 once it evolved. And whiting out is hard to do if one of your pokemon doesn't have any non-damaging moves. I think I only managed to do an intentional white-out once.

BTW the intentional white out in Sapphire was because I was in New Mauville and the 8 year old me couldn't find the stairs out. D:
Title: Re: Pokémon Gray
Post by: Custom on August 12, 2011, 03:05:19 PM
Quote from: Hero_of_Darkness on August 12, 2011, 10:55:39 AM
The entire series is easy as intercourse . As far as difficulty goes, Y > R/B > FR/LG > R/S/E > B/W > G/S/C > HG/SS > D/P/Pt. I can't remember the last time I whited out, and frankly you're doing something wrong if you did in any of the Gen IV games.

B/W only felt a bit easier due to the fact that you level up super fast, so you never needed to grind until you beat the game, and even then the level spike meant that you level up even faster. Perhaps a large part of it is simply that you got better?

4th gen was really easy too, i hardly played those though. I spent a lot of time on black and white. they're nogood
also, pretty sure gold/silver are harder than b/w bro
it's way too slow paced to be fun. everything takes forever and the quality of the graphics aren't good enough to have a 3 minute final fantasy 13 cutscene for everything
for example, every time you fought a member of the elite four you had to watch that stupid intercourse ing poop where the stage changes or whatever and you have to climb something
i've been ev training since like r/s, so i don't think it's that i got better. they just feel bulky and lame
i still play 3rd and 1st gen games all the time
Title: Re: Pokémon Gray
Post by: Hero_of_Darkness on August 12, 2011, 03:40:07 PM
Quote from: Custom on August 12, 2011, 03:05:19 PM
4th gen was really easy too, i hardly played those though. I spent a lot of time on black and white. they're nogood
also, pretty sure gold/silver are harder than b/w bro
it's way too slow paced to be fun. everything takes forever and the quality of the graphics aren't good enough to have a 3 minute final fantasy 13 cutscene for everything
for example, every time you fought a member of the elite four you had to watch that stupid intercourse ing poop where the stage changes or whatever and you have to climb something
i've been ev training since like r/s, so i don't think it's that i got better. they just feel bulky and lame
i still play 3rd and 1st gen games all the time
Other than that Miltank and the few opportunities to grind, GSC was a walk in the park. Honestly, I would have put them ahead of BW if it weren't for the fact that Red is so pathetic. Though, I might be biased because the faster leveling made me fall in love with BW post-game. (Speaking of which, you're probably going to find every Pokemon game from this point forward as easy as BW unless they revert back to the old leveling sytem or make it easier to avoid trainers.)

Honestly, though, if you're playing Pokemon for a challenge, you should just stick to Gen I.
Title: Re: Pokémon Gray
Post by: Custom on August 12, 2011, 05:19:24 PM
Quote from: Hero_of_Darkness on August 12, 2011, 03:40:07 PM
Other than that Miltank and the few opportunities to grind, GSC was a walk in the park. Honestly, I would have put them ahead of BW if it weren't for the fact that Red is so pathetic. Though, I might be biased because the faster leveling made me fall in love with BW post-game. (Speaking of which, you're probably going to find every Pokemon game from this point forward as easy as BW unless they revert back to the old leveling sytem or make it easier to avoid trainers.)

Honestly, though, if you're playing Pokemon for a challenge, you should just stick to Gen I.
i enjoy pokemon just like I enjoy kirby
however some of the get a little too easy, see black and white and epic yarn
Title: Re: Pokémon Gray
Post by: Nayrman on August 12, 2011, 05:22:29 PM
Well, it better be for 3DS and be a major upgrade visually. As far as graphics and sound quality have gone, the series has been beyond stagnant. Considering they're dealing with a much more powerful system, they should try to take advantage of it by using full 3D models and let you move diagonally, etc. While I enjoy pokemon some of it just feels archaic these days.
Title: Re: Pokémon Gray
Post by: Hero_of_Darkness on August 12, 2011, 06:05:45 PM
Quote from: Custom on August 12, 2011, 05:19:24 PM
i enjoy pokemon just like I enjoy kirby
however some of the get a little too easy, see black and white and epic yarn
Your definition of "easy" means that Pokemon probably jumped the shark for you. Just an FYI. At the very least, you'll want to wait for Gen VI.
Title: Re: Pokémon Gray
Post by: Kayo on August 12, 2011, 06:36:17 PM
Quote from: Hero_of_Darkness on August 12, 2011, 03:40:07 PM
Other than that Miltank and the few opportunities to grind, GSC was a walk in the park. Honestly, I would have put them ahead of BW if it weren't for the fact that Red is so pathetic. Though, I might be biased because the faster leveling made me fall in love with BW post-game. (Speaking of which, you're probably going to find every Pokemon game from this point forward as easy as BW unless they revert back to the old leveling sytem or make it easier to avoid trainers.)

Honestly, though, if you're playing Pokemon for a challenge, you should just stick to Gen I.
If you're playing Pokemon for a challenge, do a Nuzlocke run.
Title: Re: Pokémon Gray
Post by: Hero_of_Darkness on August 12, 2011, 06:46:17 PM
Quote from: Kayo on August 12, 2011, 06:36:17 PM
If you're playing Pokemon for a challenge, do a Nuzlocke run.
Actually, this. Definitely this.

Quote from: Nayrman on August 12, 2011, 05:22:29 PM
Well, it better be for 3DS and be a major upgrade visually. As far as graphics and sound quality have gone, the series has been beyond stagnant. Considering they're dealing with a much more powerful system, they should try to take advantage of it by using full 3D models and let you move diagonally, etc. While I enjoy pokemon some of it just feels archaic these days.
That might have to wait until Gen VI, especially since Game Freak has never made a full 3D game and they're going to need a good 2-3 years for such a task. Personally, I don't think they should bother unless they can do it right. I don't mind handheld games being 2D at all. 3D would be nice, but in the end it would be nothing more than eye candy.
Title: Re: Pokémon Gray
Post by: Kayo on August 12, 2011, 11:01:14 PM
Canon handheld Pokemon games don't need 8 directional movement, kthx.
Title: Re: Pokémon Gray
Post by: Hero_of_Darkness on August 13, 2011, 07:35:07 AM
Quote from: Kayo on August 12, 2011, 11:01:14 PM
Canon handheld Pokemon games don't need 8 directional movement, kthx.
But it would make some things a little faster.
Title: Re: Pokémon Gray
Post by: The Riddler on August 13, 2011, 12:48:35 PM
Quote from: Kayo on August 12, 2011, 11:01:14 PM
Canon handheld Pokemon games don't need 8 directional movement, kthx.
Because that would break the game?
Title: Re: Pokémon Gray
Post by: Kayo on August 13, 2011, 06:33:13 PM
Quote from: Riddler21 on August 13, 2011, 12:48:35 PM
Because that would break the game?

Not really, it just doesn't seem necessary... yet. I mean a bit further in the future, of course. But I'll need to know that GameFreak can pull off 3D character models in a handheld, and I'm not convinced they can. Not after they could have done it with Black and White but didn't. To me it doesn't seem like something they're capable of, unfortunately.

Plus I can't think of any thing that it would seriously help.

But I think the only reason I'm so against it is because of all the pixelated 2D sprites we still have in the overworld. If they try to combine 8-directional movement while keeping 2D sprites.... yeah that's what we DON'T need. I'd rather have 4-directional movement than 8-directional with sprites.
Title: Re: Pokémon Gray
Post by: Custom on August 14, 2011, 01:23:17 AM
Quote from: Kayo on August 12, 2011, 06:36:17 PM
If you're playing Pokemon for a challenge, do a Nuzlocke run.

I do these all the time
the problem is, my final fantasy/dragon quest/every jrpg mentality causes me to overlevel pokemon and grind like a motherintercourse er
>arrive the second gym
>have 3 level 30 pokemon

honestly though
if i have one request for gray
make the character move faster
they're so slow
also make everything faster
it's all VERY slow
Title: Re: Pokémon Gray
Post by: DededeCloneChris on August 14, 2011, 10:28:31 AM
Custom forgot there's a bike for that.
Title: Re: Pokémon Gray
Post by: Custom on August 14, 2011, 12:06:01 PM
Quote from: MooglePlayerChris on August 14, 2011, 10:28:31 AM
Custom forgot there's a bike for that.

i'm well aware of the bike
it's slow and controls like poop
i think it's all the flashy animation that slows things down
i needs to gtfo
Title: Re: Pokémon Gray
Post by: Kayo on August 14, 2011, 12:37:25 PM
Oh and bring autorun back, of course.
Title: Re: Pokémon Gray
Post by: Neerb on August 14, 2011, 04:39:53 PM
Quote from: Kayo on August 14, 2011, 12:37:25 PM
Oh and bring autorun back, of course.

watizthis
Title: Re: Pokémon Gray
Post by: DededeCloneChris on August 14, 2011, 04:42:15 PM
Quote from: Neerb on August 14, 2011, 04:39:53 PM
watizthis
HeartGold and SoulSilver had a feature that allowed you to run without holding the B button down.
Title: Re: Pokémon Gray
Post by: Kayo on August 14, 2011, 06:13:52 PM
Quote from: Neerb on August 14, 2011, 04:39:53 PM
watizthis
How the intercourse  do you not know about this have you never played HGSS?

Respect points lost.
Title: Re: Pokémon Gray
Post by: Neerb on August 15, 2011, 01:04:17 PM
Quote from: Kayo on August 14, 2011, 06:13:52 PM
How the intercourse  do you not know about this have you never played HGSS?

Respect points lost.

I only buy one game a generation (Sapphire, Diamond, Black, etc.), even if FR/LG and HG/SS were the best in their gens. Granted, I did eventually manage to borrow FR from a friend, but he's not yet willing to part with his HG file, and I'll live without playing it for a few more years.

Actually, I've NEVER played a Johto game; I didn't really get into the main series of games until Hoenn, and while I did borrow Red from a friend to qualify as the first version I played through, I never really got to have a trip through Johto.

Ironically, the Pokemon from Johto are my favorite and the ones from Hoenn are my least favorite...
Title: Re: Pokémon Gray
Post by: Kayo on August 15, 2011, 06:18:18 PM
Quote from: Neerb on August 15, 2011, 01:04:17 PM
I only buy one game a generation (Sapphire, Diamond, Black, etc.), even if FR/LG and HG/SS were the best in their gens. Granted, I did eventually manage to borrow FR from a friend, but he's not yet willing to part with his HG file, and I'll live without playing it for a few more years.

Actually, I've NEVER played a Johto game; I didn't really get into the main series of games until Hoenn, and while I did borrow Red from a friend to qualify as the first version I played through, I never really got to have a trip through Johto.

Ironically, the Pokemon from Johto are my favorite and the ones from Hoenn are my least favorite...
I've lost all respect for you. You only buy one game per generation (that's intercourse ing stupid, really. I can see only getting one per duo, but there are so many games per generation) and HG/SS were rated some of the best games available on the DS and not getting it because it goes against a silly rule of yours is the dumbest thing you could possibly do. And how could you put Gen 3's pokemon behind Gens 4 and 5? You don't like 3 because you're close-minded. You like 1 and 2, don't you? They're simple pokemon. Most are based simply off of animals. God forbid we get a piglike creature using its curly tail as a spring or a pokemon with steel horns that look like jaws, you hate them. Gen 3 had some of the most creative Pokemon, and that's not even an opinion. If you look at the origins of some of them they're really complex.

tl;dr stop being an idiot
Title: Re: Pokémon Gray
Post by: Neerb on August 15, 2011, 06:37:05 PM
The colors seemed to... I don't know, "dull," in Gen 3. It had a more realistic feel to it, and strangely that was off-putting to me; I liked the richer colors (in design; obviously the literal 1st and 2nd gen games had less technical color in them), and sometimes I like the simple designs as well, such as how Samurott is my favorite 5th gen starter in spite of his relatively useless stats and movepool.

And a large chunk of the region was water, which I absolutely despised, especially given that it was the first main version I really owned. It was a rude introduction to have to surf for so long (though you could at least move faster than in D/P), like being in a cave that covers a third of the map, only instead of Zubats it was Tentacools.

Also, with my dislike of Hoenn and my indifference towards multiple versions, I suppose the odds of me getting EarthRuby or SeaSapphire or whatever are next to nothing, unless the make some colossal graphical overhaul like I've been wanting since D/P came out.
Title: Re: Pokémon Gray
Post by: Kayo on August 15, 2011, 07:29:14 PM
Quote from: Neerb on August 15, 2011, 06:37:05 PM
The colors seemed to... I don't know, "dull," in Gen 3. It had a more realistic feel to it, and strangely that was off-putting to me; I liked the richer colors (in design; obviously the literal 1st and 2nd gen games had less technical color in them), and sometimes I like the simple designs as well, such as how Samurott is my favorite 5th gen starter in spite of his relatively useless stats and movepool.

And a large chunk of the region was water, which I absolutely despised, especially given that it was the first main version I really owned. It was a rude introduction to have to surf for so long (though you could at least move faster than in D/P), like being in a cave that covers a third of the map, only instead of Zubats it was Tentacools.

Also, with my dislike of Hoenn and my indifference towards multiple versions, I suppose the odds of me getting EarthRuby or SeaSapphire or whatever are next to nothing, unless the make some colossal graphical overhaul like I've been wanting since D/P came out.
The difference is, Hoenn is a big region. It has as much land as Kanto has. It just has a lot of water as an addition. The land to water ratio is different, but that's because it's a BIGGER REGION. Also, you're not required to surf every tile of the ocean. I thought it was really cool how instead of just one navigable line of water there was a giant grid of routes, like a more realistic ocean. You could travel freely within an entire square of space, instead of a line. It gives you the feel that Hoenn is next to an OCEAN, not a river surrounded by a thin border of rocks and then more water. Don't like wild Tentacool? Use a Repel.
Title: Re: Pokémon Gray
Post by: JrDude on August 16, 2011, 12:46:52 AM
Neerb might be like how I used to be. As in, refuse to use repel.
I still go by that rule a little bit, because it's how I accidentally find Shinies.
Title: Re: Pokémon Gray
Post by: Neerb on August 16, 2011, 04:11:54 AM
Quote from: JrDude 益 on August 16, 2011, 12:46:52 AM
Neerb might be like how I used to be. As in, refuse to use repel.
I still go by that rule a little bit, because it's how I accidentally find Shinies.

I simply didn't buy them that often back in Sapphire; it was the first one I owned, and I didn't know any better.

Now I have 99 at all times because of Black's absolutely infuriating encounter rate.
Title: Re: Pokémon Gray
Post by: Kayo on August 16, 2011, 06:06:27 AM
Quote from: Neerb on August 16, 2011, 04:11:54 AM
I simply didn't buy them that often back in Sapphire; it was the first one I owned, and I didn't know any better.

Now I have 99 at all times because of Black's absolutely infuriating encounter rate.
Which is no different from past games.
Title: Re: Pokémon Gray
Post by: Neerb on August 16, 2011, 12:50:23 PM
I didn't notice it so much in Diamond; Black felt like it had a much more annoying rate.
Title: Re: Pokémon Gray
Post by: Kayo on August 16, 2011, 12:52:30 PM
Quote from: Neerb on August 16, 2011, 12:50:23 PM
I didn't notice it so much in Diamond; Black felt like it had a much more annoying rate.
Why are you posting in a thread about Pokemon Gray anyway? You wouldn't buy the game anyway because you already bought a 5th gen game.
Title: Re: Pokémon Gray
Post by: Hero_of_Darkness on August 16, 2011, 01:07:49 PM
Quote from: Kayo on August 16, 2011, 12:52:30 PM
Why are you posting in a thread about Pokemon Gray anyway? You wouldn't buy the game anyway because you already bought a 5th gen game.
Perhaps it finally hit him that you should always wait for the third version if you're only buying one game each gen, and now he regrets taking so long to figure this out?
Title: Re: Pokémon Gray
Post by: Custom on August 16, 2011, 03:07:30 PM
i buy pokemon games based off of the color of the game
Title: Re: Pokémon Gray
Post by: Kayo on August 16, 2011, 06:19:16 PM
Quote from: Hero_of_Darkness on August 16, 2011, 01:07:49 PM
Perhaps it finally hit him that you should always wait for the third version if you're only buying one game each gen, and now he regrets taking so long to figure this out?
Since the 2nd gen I've gotten one of the two originals and then the third version.
Gold+Crystal
Sapphire+Emerald
Diamond+Platinum

And each time I prefer the 3rd game to the original two immensely, but I never let the release of a new gen come without me buying one of the games.
Title: Re: Pokémon Gray
Post by: Flying Chickens on August 16, 2011, 09:48:23 PM
Three things:
1. I hope this is true.
2. I misread "Flame Red 3DS" for "Fire Red 3DS'. Got me excited.
3. I'm going to go Nuzlocke Pearl now. I can't believe I'd never heard of it.
Title: Re: Pokémon Gray
Post by: Kayo on August 16, 2011, 10:16:22 PM
Quote from: Hover Poultry on August 16, 2011, 09:48:23 PM
Three things:
1. I hope this is true.
2. I misread "Flame Red 3DS" for "Fire Red 3DS'. Got me excited.
3. I'm going to go Nuzlocke Pearl now. I can't believe I'd never heard of it.
Ew why Pearl
Title: Re: Pokémon Gray
Post by: Flying Chickens on August 16, 2011, 10:49:02 PM
Quote from: Kayo on August 16, 2011, 10:16:22 PM
Ew why Pearl
BECAUSE I DON'T LIKE BLACK, I DON'T WANT TO DELETE MY HEART GOLD FILE, I DON'T OWN PLATINUM, AND ALL THE OTHER GAMES ARE FOR THE GBA.

But I still love you. <3
Title: Re: Pokémon Gray
Post by: Kayo on August 16, 2011, 11:11:21 PM
Quote from: Hover Poultry on August 16, 2011, 10:49:02 PM
BECAUSE I DON'T LIKE BLACK, I DON'T WANT TO DELETE MY HEART GOLD FILE, I DON'T OWN PLATINUM, AND ALL THE OTHER GAMES ARE FOR THE GBA.

But I still love you. <3
WHAT'S WRONG WITH THE GBA?
Title: Re: Pokémon Gray
Post by: Flying Chickens on August 16, 2011, 11:44:37 PM
Quote from: Kayo on August 16, 2011, 11:11:21 PM
WHAT'S WRONG WITH THE GBA?
3DS don't play it.
Title: Re: Pokémon Gray
Post by: Kayo on August 16, 2011, 11:50:58 PM
Quote from: Hover Poultry on August 16, 2011, 11:44:37 PM
3DS don't play it.
lol3DS

Use an SP like I do. Love that thing.
Title: Re: Pokémon Gray
Post by: Custom on August 17, 2011, 11:22:18 PM
>SP

i think you mean micro you piece of poop get it right micro is way better
Title: Re: Pokémon Gray
Post by: Kayo on August 17, 2011, 11:24:01 PM
Quote from: Custom on August 17, 2011, 11:22:18 PM
>SP

i think you mean micro you piece of poop get it right micro is way better
I still haven't found any place I could buy one of those.
Title: Re: Pokémon Gray
Post by: Custom on August 17, 2011, 11:24:50 PM
Quote from: Kayo on August 17, 2011, 11:24:01 PM
I still haven't found any place I could buy one of those.

hurry up before they all disappear
Title: Re: Pokémon Gray
Post by: Kayo on August 17, 2011, 11:26:11 PM
Quote from: Custom on August 17, 2011, 11:24:50 PM
hurry up before they all disappear
What about Gamestop? They had one or two SPs last time I went but I didn't see any Micros. I wasn't looking for either, but I happened to notices the SPs for some reason.
Title: Re: Pokémon Gray
Post by: Custom on August 17, 2011, 11:29:09 PM
Quote from: Kayo on August 17, 2011, 11:26:11 PM
What about Gamestop? They had one or two SPs last time I went but I didn't see any Micros. I wasn't looking for either, but I happened to notices the SPs for some reason.

amazon
Title: Re: Pokémon Gray
Post by: Kayo on August 17, 2011, 11:30:58 PM
Quote from: Custom on August 17, 2011, 11:29:09 PM
amazon
Aw man, I hate buying stuff online. Oh well.
Title: Re: Pokémon Gray
Post by: Custom on August 17, 2011, 11:32:02 PM
it's your fault for waiting like 8  years
Title: Re: Pokémon Gray
Post by: Kayo on August 17, 2011, 11:33:28 PM
I still don't see what makes it superior to anything else. It's small. What are its particular advantages, Custom?
Title: Re: Pokémon Gray
Post by: Custom on August 17, 2011, 11:58:40 PM
screen is better than sp's
backlight is better than sp's
games look better on it
it's smaller
buttons are better than sp's
if you screen gets scratched you can buy a new one as they have interchangeable covers
it has a headphone jack
Title: Re: Pokémon Gray
Post by: Kayo on August 18, 2011, 12:16:16 AM
Quote from: Custom on August 17, 2011, 11:58:40 PM
screen is better than sp's
backlight is better than sp's
games look better on it
it's smaller
buttons are better than sp's
if you screen gets scratched you can buy a new one as they have interchangeable covers
it has a headphone jack
Actually, it seems like a nicer thing for portability... like to play on the bus or something. With its small size and headphone jack. Interesting.
Title: Re: Pokémon Gray
Post by: The Riddler on August 18, 2011, 02:55:50 AM
Quote from: Custom on August 17, 2011, 11:58:40 PM
screen is better than sp's
it's smaller
First one is a lie, and the second one makes it lame.

Micro is a piece of poop gimmick. WAY too small. I wanna kill myself every time I try to play one of those.
Title: Re: Pokémon Gray
Post by: Kayo on August 18, 2011, 06:10:08 AM
See one of the reasons I like the DSi over the DS lite is the slightly large screen. Then again the system is no different in size while it has a bigger screen so maybe it's different also this topic is about Pokemon Gray isn't it
Title: Re: Pokémon Gray
Post by: Custom on August 18, 2011, 09:02:50 AM
Quote from: Riddler21 on August 18, 2011, 02:55:50 AM
First one is a lie, and the second one makes it lame.

Micro is a piece of poop gimmick. WAY too small. I wanna kill myself every time I try to play one of those.

giant handed monster
Title: Re: Pokémon Gray
Post by: Kayo on August 18, 2011, 09:13:04 AM
Quote from: Riddler21 on August 18, 2011, 02:55:50 AM
I wanna kill myself every time I try to play one of those.
Also that seems a bit harsh for a game system
Title: Re: Pokémon Gray
Post by: Flying Chickens on August 18, 2011, 12:15:23 PM
Quote from: Kayo on August 18, 2011, 06:10:08 AM
See one of the reasons I like the DSi over the DS lite is the slightly large screen. Then again the system is no different in size while it has a bigger screen so maybe it's different also this topic is about Pokemon Gray isn't it
I really like the DSi. Because it's got the smallest screens out of all the DS's.
I wish that my 3DS would get fixed though. Everything looks like it's not 2D and I hate it.
Title: Re: Pokémon Gray
Post by: Kayo on August 18, 2011, 12:31:48 PM
Quote from: Hover Poultry on August 18, 2011, 12:15:23 PM
I really like the DSi. Because it's got the smallest screens out of all the DS's.
I wish that my 3DS would get fixed though. Everything looks like it's not 2D and I hate it.
...I just... wow. Can't even respond to this.
Title: Re: Pokémon Gray
Post by: DededeCloneChris on August 18, 2011, 01:51:07 PM
Quote from: Hover Poultry on August 18, 2011, 12:15:23 PM
Everything looks like it's not 2D and I hate it.
Hint: Check the 3D slider if it's off or on.
Title: Re: Pokémon Gray
Post by: Flying Chickens on August 18, 2011, 04:22:38 PM
Quote from: NotAsagiChris on August 18, 2011, 01:51:07 PM
Hint: Check the 3D slider if it's off or on.
It's up. What do I do?
Title: Re: Pokémon Gray
Post by: Custom on August 18, 2011, 04:29:25 PM
pull it everywhere
Title: Re: Pokémon Gray
Post by: Flying Chickens on August 18, 2011, 06:12:50 PM
Quote from: Custom on August 18, 2011, 04:29:25 PM
pull it everywhere
Alright, the battery fell out. Do I have to get a non-3D battery now?
Title: Re: Pokémon Gray
Post by: Kayo on August 18, 2011, 06:21:59 PM
Quote from: Hover Poultry on August 18, 2011, 04:22:38 PM
Quote from: NotAsagiChris on August 18, 2011, 01:51:07 PM
Hint: Check the 3D slider if it's off or on.
It's up. What do I do?
holy quote penetration
Title: Re: Pokémon Gray
Post by: Custom on August 18, 2011, 08:48:28 PM
Quote from: Hover Poultry on August 18, 2011, 06:12:50 PM
Alright, the battery fell out. Do I have to get a non-3D battery now?

try the movie theater
Title: Re: Pokémon Gray
Post by: BOREDFOREVER on August 18, 2011, 09:20:41 PM
 I might play white or black during the winter if I get around to buying a 3DS.
Title: Re: Pokémon Gray
Post by: Kayo on August 18, 2011, 11:02:11 PM
They work on the regular DS D:
Title: Re: Pokémon Gray
Post by: BOREDFOREVER on August 19, 2011, 06:20:41 PM
Quote from: Kayo on August 18, 2011, 11:02:11 PM
They work on the regular DS D:

Yes, but I sold my DS Phat a while ago.  So if I buy a new system, I might as well by the 3DS.
Title: Re: Pokémon Gray
Post by: Kayo on August 19, 2011, 06:32:13 PM
Quote from: BOREDFANBOY on August 19, 2011, 06:20:41 PM
Yes, but I sold my DS Phat a while ago.  So if I buy a new system, I might as well by the 3DS.
Eh, yeah. Some people don't like how Pokemon B/W look on the 3DS but you're probably better off getting the 3DS since it's out than getting a DSi/lite.
Title: Re: Pokémon Gray
Post by: CoasterKid93 on September 05, 2011, 07:29:27 PM
BAD
Title: Re: Pokémon Gray
Post by: Kayo on September 05, 2011, 07:31:25 PM
SO ARE YOU.
Title: Re: Pokémon Gray
Post by: Custom on September 16, 2011, 11:48:42 AM
Quote from: Kayo on September 05, 2011, 07:31:25 PM
SO ARE YOU.

Wow shut up nerd I bet you cried like a ninny when your mother told you you couldnt suck her breasts anymore and you were like 15 years old when this happened making it even more pathetic intercourse  you kid you dont know me
Title: Re: Pokémon Gray
Post by: Kayo on September 16, 2011, 12:06:10 PM
Quote from: Custom on September 16, 2011, 11:48:42 AM
Wow shut up nerd I bet you cried like a ninny when your mother told you you couldnt suck her breasts anymore and you were like 15 years old when this happened making it even more pathetic intercourse  you kid you dont know me
;~;
Title: Re: Pokémon Gray
Post by: Zero on October 20, 2011, 08:57:22 AM
http://kotaku.com/5851613/pokmon-gray-incoming
Title: Re: Pokémon Gray
Post by: DededeCloneChris on October 20, 2011, 08:58:25 AM
Quote from: Zero on October 20, 2011, 08:57:22 AM
http://kotaku.com/5851613/pokmon-gray-incoming
I can't trust this. The link is missing the accented e!
Title: Re: Pokémon Gray
Post by: Kayo on October 20, 2011, 09:32:46 AM
Quote from: PrinnyOnLowBudgetChris on October 20, 2011, 08:58:25 AM
I can't trust this. The link is missing the accented e!
but are you surprised or anything

Pretty much the entire world predicted "Gray"

...then again, there was a number of people who predicted "Opal" for the 3rd game to Diamond and Pearl. But Platinum was a hook as it was, since it would have been much more fitting in the 2nd gen along Gold and Silver, but whatever.

Gray just seems so obvious. They really wouldn't do anything else besides it or a synonym of it. But considering they didn't use any fancy shades for "Black" and "White" I didn't expect any synonyms.
Title: Re: Pokémon Gray
Post by: DededeCloneChris on October 20, 2011, 11:48:56 AM
Unfortunately, we can't still predict a third version is coming.
Title: Re: Pokémon Gray
Post by: Kayo on October 20, 2011, 11:49:42 AM
Quote from: PrinnyOnLowBudgetChris on October 20, 2011, 11:48:56 AM
Unfortunately, we can't still predict a third version is coming.
Give me three good reasons why we won't get one, then.
Title: Re: Pokémon Gray
Post by: DededeCloneChris on October 20, 2011, 12:09:49 PM
Quote from: Kayo on October 20, 2011, 11:49:42 AM
Give me three good reasons why we won't get one, then.
Can't get enough? One reason should suffice:

The article itself doesn't directly state that it's Nintendo who made such site. The company helped them with the previous site before. However, people are just speculating if this is even true.
Title: Re: Pokémon Gray
Post by: Super on October 20, 2011, 01:23:18 PM
Seems well-timed considering that Nintendo has that 3DS announcement thing tomorrow.
Title: Re: Pokémon Gray
Post by: Kayo on October 20, 2011, 04:28:35 PM
Quote from: PrinnyOnLowBudgetChris on October 20, 2011, 12:09:49 PM
Can't get enough? One reason should suffice:

The article itself doesn't directly state that it's Nintendo who made such site. The company helped them with the previous site before. However, people are just speculating if this is even true.
That doesn't suffice at all! You have no evidence, nor do you have ANY reason at all to say that there won't be a 3rd game. Interesting how I asked for three reasons and you only gave one, one that wasn't even good enough to be counted as one, let alone three.

It's just as likely for it to be real as for it to be a coincidence. You can neither prove nor disprove anything. You have no point.
Title: Re: Pokémon Gray
Post by: Super on October 20, 2011, 05:27:41 PM
Kayo, calm the intercourse  down.
Title: Re: Pokémon Gray
Post by: Kayo on October 20, 2011, 05:40:36 PM
Quote from: Super on October 20, 2011, 05:27:41 PM
Kayo, calm the intercourse  down.
lol theres never guna b gray versiun hurrdurrdurr
Title: Re: Pokémon Gray
Post by: Hero_of_Darkness on October 20, 2011, 06:55:00 PM
The domain was registered back in summer.

A new Pokemon game will probably be announced in December, so wait until then.
Title: Re: Pokémon Gray
Post by: Custom on October 20, 2011, 11:52:22 PM
kayo faps to pokemon every night
Title: Re: Pokémon Gray
Post by: Bearissoslow on October 21, 2011, 07:40:49 AM
who cares about this

seriously

who gives a intercourse  about ANOTHER version of the same game that's been out for half a year
Title: Re: Pokémon Gray
Post by: Doodle on October 21, 2011, 12:52:48 PM
Quote from: Bearissoslow on October 21, 2011, 07:40:49 AM
who cares about this

seriously

who gives a intercourse  about ANOTHER version of the same game that's been out for half a year
don't you want to replay the same game with a tweaked plot and different pokemon???
Title: Re: Pokémon Gray
Post by: Kayo on October 21, 2011, 08:56:34 PM
Quote from: Bearissoslow on October 21, 2011, 07:40:49 AM
who cares about this

seriously

who gives a intercourse  about ANOTHER version of the same game that's been out for half a year
you also think pokemon crystal was a horrible game so

no one cares what you say
Title: Re: Pokémon Gray
Post by: Zero on October 21, 2011, 09:06:49 PM
Quote from: Kayo on October 21, 2011, 08:56:34 PM
you also think pokemon crystal was a horrible game so

no one cares what you say

he's right kayo

i'll admit that I'll buy it, but he's right
Title: Re: Pokémon Gray
Post by: Kayo on October 21, 2011, 09:53:04 PM
Quote from: Zero on October 21, 2011, 09:06:49 PM
he's right kayo

i'll admit that I'll buy it, but he's right
If you buy it, you care in at least some way.
Title: Re: Pokémon Gray
Post by: Zero on October 21, 2011, 10:21:15 PM
Quote from: Kayo on October 21, 2011, 09:53:04 PM
If you buy it, you care in at least some way.

if by care you mean that I like pokemon enough to buy the same exact game I just bought in march then yeah

I won't get it on release though.
Title: Re: Pokémon Gray
Post by: Doodle on October 22, 2011, 10:33:20 AM
Quote from: Kayo on October 21, 2011, 08:56:34 PM
you also think pokemon crystal was a horrible game so

no one cares what you say
Crystal wasn't really any better. Just animations, a battle tower, and a tweaked plot with more emphasis on Suicune/Unowns.
The funny thing is that we never got "good" battle animations like the ones Crystal had until B/W. Emerald and D/P/Pt just used those poopty two-sprite animations with effects up the ass.
Title: Re: Pokémon Gray
Post by: Kayo on October 22, 2011, 04:27:36 PM
Quote from: Doodle on October 22, 2011, 10:33:20 AM
Crystal wasn't really any better. Just animations, a battle tower, and a tweaked plot with more emphasis on Suicune/Unowns.
The funny thing is that we never got "good" battle animations like the ones Crystal had until B/W. Emerald and D/P/Pt just used those poopty two-sprite animations with effects up the ass.
Crystal wasn't by any means "bad" though.

I pretty much always figured the reason we only got two-sprite animations in Emerald/4th gen was because they had 386/493 Pokemon to give animations to instead of just 251. It wasn't until B/W that they stopped being lazy. Some B/W animations are just 1-2 seconds on an infinite loop, but it's better than what we had before.
Title: Re: Pokémon Gray
Post by: CoasterKid93 on October 25, 2011, 06:33:23 PM
Quote from: Kayo on October 21, 2011, 08:56:34 PM
you also think pokemon crystal was a horrible game so

no one cares what you say


dumb dumb suck a dick
Title: Re: Pokémon Gray
Post by: Custom on October 25, 2011, 06:35:34 PM
Quote from: Kayo on October 21, 2011, 08:56:34 PM
you also think pokemon crystal was a horrible game so

no one cares what you say

i agree wtih him
you're a raging pokemon boner sucker, just get over it
not everyone wants to play the same poop over and voer
Title: Re: Pokémon Gray
Post by: The Riddler on October 25, 2011, 07:26:33 PM
So I'm the only one who hated the B/W animations? I thought they made the pokemon look intercourse ing awkward.
Title: Re: Pokémon Gray
Post by: Kayo on October 25, 2011, 07:41:09 PM
Quote from: Zeromus on October 25, 2011, 07:26:33 PM
So I'm the only one who hated the B/W animations? I thought they made the pokemon look intercourse ing awkward.
Well if you'd rather have them stand still then be my guest

Some are weird, but others are nice. Especially those birds that flap their wings, etc. because that just seems necessary.
Title: Re: Pokémon Gray
Post by: Custom on October 26, 2011, 10:04:03 AM
Quote from: Kayo on October 25, 2011, 07:41:09 PM
Well if you'd rather have them stand still then be my guest

Some are weird, but others are nice. Especially those birds that flap their wings, etc. because that just seems necessary.

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Title: Re: Pokémon Gray
Post by: CoasterKid93 on October 26, 2011, 10:05:25 AM
Quote from: Kayo on October 25, 2011, 07:41:09 PM
Well if you'd rather have them stand still then be my guest

Some are weird, but others are nice. Especially those birds that flap their wings, etc. because that just seems necessary.

too bad the new animations are awful
Title: Re: Pokémon Gray
Post by: Custom on October 26, 2011, 10:06:44 AM
Pokemon Grey is sure to be awful if it follows the same formula as Black and White
Title: Re: Pokémon Gray
Post by: CoasterKid93 on October 26, 2011, 10:11:31 AM
Quote from: Custom on October 26, 2011, 10:06:44 AM
Pokemon Grey is sure to be awful if it follows the same formula as Black and White

Kayo will probably masturbateto it regardless.
Title: Re: Pokémon Gray
Post by: Zero on October 27, 2011, 10:18:34 AM
i like B/W and its animations

does that make me gay
Title: Re: Pokémon Gray
Post by: Kayo on October 27, 2011, 12:08:50 PM
Quote from: Zero on October 27, 2011, 10:18:34 AM
i like B/W and its animations

does that make me gay
You and me both, then, and no one else apparently.

I guess we're gay partners now?
Title: Re: Pokémon Gray
Post by: CoasterKid93 on October 27, 2011, 03:15:07 PM
Quote from: Kayo on October 27, 2011, 12:08:50 PM
You and me both, then, and no one else apparently.

I guess we're gay partners now?

This is a conversation about Pokemon, Kayo. If you wish to flirt with other members, do so with a private message.
Title: Re: Pokémon Gray
Post by: Kayo on October 27, 2011, 04:30:26 PM
>Coasterkid defending a Pokemon topic against off topic posting

oh god i'm dying
Title: Re: Pokémon Gray
Post by: Flying Chickens on October 27, 2011, 07:00:34 PM
Quote from: CoasterKid93 on October 27, 2011, 03:15:07 PM
This is a conversation about Pokemon, Kayo. If you wish to flirt with other members, do so with a private message.
I won't lie, I laughed mother intercourse ing hard when I read this.
Title: Re: Pokémon Gray
Post by: Kayo on February 03, 2012, 04:12:21 PM
Not sure if you guys all knew this, but there's a placeholder in the coding of Black and White for Kyurem's alternate forme. Basically, Kyurem has a special little thing in its coding that none of the single-formed Pokemon have, and it's the same thing Giratina and Shaymin had in the coding of Diamond and Pearl.

This doesn't mean that its alternate forme will be available in B/W, because it won't. Otherwise we'd already know what it looks like. But judging by the fact that this placeholder exists nowhere else in the entire series except in Giratina and Shaymin's data for Diamond and Pearl, it's pretty much proven that Kyurem will have an alternate Forme.

It was kind of strongly implied and speculated, but now we pretty much have our proof. Kyurem will be the cover Pokemon for Pokemon Gray, and it will get a new Forme. Hooray.
Title: Re: Pokémon Gray
Post by: zephilicious on February 03, 2012, 04:49:45 PM
the only way that would not have happened is if gray never released
Title: Re: Pokémon Gray
Post by: JrDude on February 04, 2012, 03:45:06 AM
In my opinion, it was obvious. Because to me, Kyurem looks Broken. Like, one wing is bigger than the other, his face is uneven, he's hunched over and slanted (3D Pokédex shows this), yet he has the spot of "(almost) last Pokémon of the Pokédex." To me, it seems like something happened to it, that gave it this broken form, so it didn't always look like this, and there's some way to make the "original form" shown again.
But that may just be me.
Title: Re: Pokémon Gray
Post by: Neerb on February 04, 2012, 08:16:10 AM
I hope his alt looks cool without being OP; I'd love to use an Ice Dragon outside Uber.
Title: Re: Pokémon Gray
Post by: DededeCloneChris on February 04, 2012, 11:57:34 AM
Quote from: Pennington on February 03, 2012, 04:12:21 PM
Not sure if you guys all knew this, but there's a placeholder in the coding of Black and White for Kyurem's alternate forme. Basically, Kyurem has a special little thing in its coding that none of the single-formed Pokemon have, and it's the same thing Giratina and Shaymin had in the coding of Diamond and Pearl.

This doesn't mean that its alternate forme will be available in B/W, because it won't. Otherwise we'd already know what it looks like. But judging by the fact that this placeholder exists nowhere else in the entire series except in Giratina and Shaymin's data for Diamond and Pearl, it's pretty much proven that Kyurem will have an alternate Forme.

It was kind of strongly implied and speculated, but now we pretty much have our proof. Kyurem will be the cover Pokemon for Pokemon Gray, and it will get a new Forme. Hooray.
So if Mewtwo's coding was in Brawl, does that mean he'll appear soon there?
Title: Re: Pokémon Gray
Post by: Kayo on February 04, 2012, 07:31:54 PM
Quote from: NoiseHunterChris on February 04, 2012, 11:57:34 AM
So if Mewtwo's coding was in Brawl, does that mean he'll appear soon there?
You're completely missing every single bit of logic behind this I'm not even to entertain your "argument" any further.

Quote from: JrDude 益 on February 04, 2012, 03:45:06 AM
In my opinion, it was obvious. Because to me, Kyurem looks Broken. Like, one wing is bigger than the other, his face is uneven, he's hunched over and slanted (3D Pokédex shows this), yet he has the spot of "(almost) last Pokémon of the Pokédex." To me, it seems like something happened to it, that gave it this broken form, so it didn't always look like this, and there's some way to make the "original form" shown again.
But that may just be me.
It was obvious that Kyurem was the third member of the trio due to the similar typing, level-up moves, and background (Reshy and Zek are Yin and Yang--balance, Kyurem is "the absence of balance" or something like that). The third game has used the third member of the "Cover Legendary" trio ever since said trios existed starting in the 3rd gen.

Of course, this is practically 100% proof of an alternate Forme. Giratina will not be the only third game cover legendary to get one.

Also on your "Broken" note, specifically the "One wing is bigger", I always thought of that just as a visualization of wuji (absence of balance)-- it can't be "balanced" with differently sized wings, whereas symmetry would imply balance in a way. But that was just my take on it. However, I do assume that the Altermate Forme will have a more "confident" look to it.
Title: Re: Pokémon Gray
Post by: Hero_of_Darkness on February 05, 2012, 08:19:40 AM
Quote from: Neerb on February 04, 2012, 08:16:10 AM
I hope his alt looks cool without being OP; I'd love to use an Ice Dragon outside Uber.
Kyurem isn't Uber. In fact, it's in an odd position. It's typing hurts it to to point that it couldn't even make it into OU, but it's too powerful for UU and got sent to BL. Pretty odd.

It's alt form might have a higher BST, however, so it might get banned.
Title: Re: Pokémon Gray
Post by: Neerb on February 05, 2012, 12:37:34 PM
Quote from: Hero_of_Darkness on February 05, 2012, 08:19:40 AM
Kyurem isn't Uber. In fact, it's in an odd position. It's typing hurts it to to point that it couldn't even make it into OU, but it's too powerful for UU and got sent to BL. Pretty odd.

It's alt form might have a higher BST, however, so it might get banned.

That's what I meant; Kyurem isn't uber, but I hate how he looks so much that I don't want to use him. However, if his alt form was cooler, I'd love to use it, but then it would almost certainly be uber due to whatever stat boosts it gets.
Title: Re: Pokémon Gray
Post by: Zero on February 06, 2012, 07:05:00 AM
I think the Rock/Paper/Scissors aspect of Pokemon needs revision.

I do enjoy it, but lets be honest, the way it is now is completely unbalanced. Who the intercourse  wants an Ice type on their team?
Title: Re: Pokémon Gray
Post by: Hero_of_Darkness on February 06, 2012, 08:50:00 AM
Quote from: Michio Kaku on February 06, 2012, 07:05:00 AM
I think the Rock/Paper/Scissors aspect of Pokemon needs revision.

I do enjoy it, but lets be honest, the way it is now is completely unbalanced. Who the intercourse  wants an Ice type on their team?
How do you want them to change it? Cut it from 2x to 1.5x? Remove it altogether?

I don't really see how it's unbalanced, though. In fact, I think that it's likely STAB+Super Effective hits that are bothering you. Also, I like that it makes OHKOs common, since it would otherwise make competitive battles too long, and the single-player a chore. I don't want more grinding...
Title: Re: Pokémon Gray
Post by: Kayo on February 06, 2012, 06:30:02 PM
Quote from: Hero_of_Darkness on February 05, 2012, 08:19:40 AM
Kyurem isn't Uber. In fact, it's in an odd position. It's typing hurts it to to point that it couldn't even make it into OU, but it's too powerful for UU and got sent to BL. Pretty odd.

It's alt form might have a higher BST, however, so it might get banned.
It's so odd, in fact, that I actually wrote a pretty long editorial/rant on it which I still have saved somewhere. I looked into the subject well and I'm still feel kind of weird about where it's placed. I sincerely hope the alt form is Uber, though. Doesn't feel right for a Cover Legendary to be in such a low tier.
Title: Re: Pokémon Gray
Post by: Hero_of_Darkness on February 06, 2012, 07:19:44 PM
Quote from: Pennington on February 06, 2012, 06:30:02 PM
It's so odd, in fact, that I actually wrote a pretty long editorial/rant on it which I still have saved somewhere. I looked into the subject well and I'm still feel kind of weird about where it's placed. I sincerely hope the alt form is Uber, though. Doesn't feel right for a Cover Legendary to be in such a low tier.
Suicune's even lower this gen. (UU)
Title: Re: Pokémon Gray
Post by: Zero on February 06, 2012, 10:05:04 PM
Quote from: Hero_of_Darkness on February 06, 2012, 08:50:00 AM
How do you want them to change it? Cut it from 2x to 1.5x? Remove it altogether?

I don't really see how it's unbalanced, though.  In fact, I think that it's likely STAB+Super Effective hits that are bothering you. Also, I like that it makes OHKOs common, since it would otherwise make competitive battles too long, and the single-player a chore. I don't want more grinding...

No, STAB and Super effective hits are fine. I also don't mind OHKO's. As for changes, the only real way I know how to make it "balanced" would be to provide equal strength/weakness/immunity ratios. This sounds boring, as there wouldn't really be much of a perk to using one type over another, but at least preferences based on type superiority would be discouraged, because it wouldn't exist to begin with. I don't want that, I just think there could be another way to help make "lesser" types more powerful.

I'm really just talking about the strengths/weaknesses chart. For example, think about the reputation the Fire and Ice types have in competitive gameplay. They're great offensive types, but horrible defensive types. On paper it balances out, but in actual practice, anyone that's into competitive Pokemon knows how it doesn't work out that way.

I'm really surprised that you're trying to imply Pokemon is balanced. I mean, really? As fun as it can be, it most certainly is not a balanced game franchise competitively speaking and it never really has been. Certain types, specific pokemon, and certain team comps run absolutely rampant, and if you really want to get dirty with it, certain moves. Nearly everyone runs Stealth Rock, so you're encouraged to run a Spinner on nearly every team and add plenty of Stealth Rock resistant members to your team. Just another example. I've been there, and performed well. I've had fun, and eventually I just grew tired of how constrained it was.

Competitive pokemon is very boring when played in Ubers or OU, imo.




Title: Re: Pokémon Gray
Post by: zephilicious on February 07, 2012, 03:07:59 AM
the types can easily be balanced without changing the type chart.

take ice for example:
the biggest problem faced by ice types is the inability to safely switch in. stealth rock is almost always up and takes out 25% of their hp right away. on top of that ice has only 1 resistance so there's almost never a case where you can predict a move and switch in an ice type to absorb it.

if we cut the damage from stealth rock in half we fix the biggest problem faced by ice, fire, flying, and bug types. we also decenter the meta game by stopping a lot of players from using it.
to fix the lack of resistances, we give ice a 50% defense boost in hail, giving them a conditional resistance to half the moves in the game and brining hail teams up to par with sandstorm and rain teams. (well maybe not rain)

boom ice is balanced with two simple move changes. the only side effects being a deemphasis on the most overused move in the game and an increase in the usefulness of other terrible types like fire and bug.
Title: Re: Pokémon Gray
Post by: Neerb on February 07, 2012, 06:02:54 AM
Stealth Rock was the worst idea ever; that one freaking move screws more potentially decent Pokemon than Psychics in 1st gen.
Title: Re: Pokémon Gray
Post by: Zero on February 07, 2012, 09:04:35 AM
Entry hazards aren't necessarily a bad idea. How powerful they are on the other hand is yes, bad.

I like Zeph's idea though.
Title: Re: Pokémon Gray
Post by: Hero_of_Darkness on February 07, 2012, 09:14:55 AM
Quote from: Michio Kaku on February 06, 2012, 10:05:04 PM
No, STAB and Super effective hits are fine. I also don't mind OHKO's. As for changes, the only real way I know how to make it "balanced" would be to provide equal strength/weakness/immunity ratios. This sounds boring, as there wouldn't really be much of a perk to using one type over another, but at least preferences based on type superiority would be discouraged, because it wouldn't exist to begin with. I don't want that, I just think there could be another way to help make "lesser" types more powerful.

I'm really just talking about the strengths/weaknesses chart. For example, think about the reputation the Fire and Ice types have in competitive gameplay. They're great offensive types, but horrible defensive types. On paper it balances out, but in actual practice, anyone that's into competitive Pokemon knows how it doesn't work out that way.

I'm really surprised that you're trying to imply Pokemon is balanced. I mean, really? As fun as it can be, it most certainly is not a balanced game franchise competitively speaking and it never really has been. Certain types, specific pokemon, and certain team comps run absolutely rampant, and if you really want to get dirty with it, certain moves. Nearly everyone runs Stealth Rock, so you're encouraged to run a Spinner on nearly every team and add plenty of Stealth Rock resistant members to your team. Just another example. I've been there, and performed well. I've had fun, and eventually I just grew tired of how constrained it was.

Competitive pokemon is very boring when played in Ubers or OU, imo.
I was talking about super effectiveness being balanced, or at least as balanced as a game with hundreds of monsters can be. Stealth Rock is really the the only issue with effectiveness. Stealth Rock usage dropped a lot this gen due to team preview killing Aerodactyl and it no longer being a TM, though.

At any rate, it's Stealth Rock that needs to be fixed. It either needs to ignore type advantages like Spikes does, be make to act exactly like Spikes, or get some counterparts to it. (By counterparts, I mean other options like it for other types to add more variety. In this case, I'd like it if only one such move could be out at a time.) There also needs to be a better move than Rapid Spin for removing hazards.
Title: Re: Pokémon Gray
Post by: zephilicious on February 07, 2012, 10:08:54 AM
Quote from: Hero_of_Darkness on February 07, 2012, 09:14:55 AM
In this case, I'd like it if only one such move could be out at a time.
if there are multiple types and this is not the case every single pokemon would die on switch in
Title: Re: Pokémon Gray
Post by: Hero_of_Darkness on February 07, 2012, 10:17:54 AM
Quote from: zephilicious on February 07, 2012, 10:08:54 AM
if there are multiple types and this is not the case every single pokemon would die on switch in
Exactly why it should only allow one.

Also, I can't believe that Nintendo nerfed Explosion and Self-Destruct before nerfing SR. That's just dumb. They weren't even close to broken. Now they're basically useless.
Title: Re: Pokémon Gray
Post by: Kayo on February 07, 2012, 01:13:14 PM
Quote from: Hero_of_Darkness on February 06, 2012, 07:19:44 PM
Suicune's even lower this gen. (UU)
Eh, when I think "Cover Legendary" I think of that higher BST (630+ i think) and the fact that they're banned from in-game battle facilities. Even though Suicune is technically a cover legendary I was talking more about Mewtwo, Lugia, Kyogre, etc.

Quote from: Hero_of_Darkness on February 07, 2012, 10:17:54 AM
Exactly why it should only allow one.

Also, I can't believe that Nintendo nerfed Explosion and Self-Destruct before nerfing SR. That's just dumb. They weren't even close to broken. Now they're basically useless.
Pretty much; if your Pokemon gets instantly killed, it's only fair for the opponent to face the same fate, or at least come close. It's too easy to survive it now that its power is essentially halved.

But yeah, SR wasn't so much a BAD idea, but they went a little crazy with the execution. When Fire, Flying, Ice, etc. types are at a blatant disadvantage compared to the rest of the types, it's completely unbalanced. It's not fair for Charizard to enter battles at half HP while Steelix gets barely nicked. It just tips the scale and makes the playing field non-level. If SR damage was affected by type, but didn't exceed 1/3 or something like that, then that would be okay. But otherwise it's just an imbalance against certain types that just breaks the game completely by practically disallowing otherwise very good and usable Pokemon such as the aforementioned Charizard.
Title: Re: Pokémon Gray
Post by: Hero_of_Darkness on February 07, 2012, 02:42:48 PM
Quote from: Pennington on February 07, 2012, 01:13:14 PM
Pretty much; if your Pokemon gets instantly killed, it's only fair for the opponent to face the same fate, or at least come close. It's too easy to survive it now that its power is essentially halved.
To be fair, those moves were typically only used when the user was about to be KO'd anyway. However, with Ghost-types, Steel-types, Rock-types, and Protect to help deal with it (not to mention use of death fodder), it was completely unnecessary to weaken it.
Title: Re: Pokémon Gray
Post by: Kayo on February 07, 2012, 03:13:36 PM
Quote from: Hero_of_Darkness on February 07, 2012, 02:42:48 PM
To be fair, those moves were typically only used when the user was about to be KO'd anyway. However, with Ghost-types, Steel-types, Rock-types, and Protect to help deal with it (not to mention use of death fodder), it was completely unnecessary to weaken it.
The cost is almost not worth it, though. Overheat with STAB does more than Selfdestruct now, and it doesn't cost the user its life. It can use a White Herb or switch out and it's like nothing happened.
Title: Re: Pokémon Gray
Post by: Hero_of_Darkness on February 07, 2012, 05:26:36 PM
Quote from: Pennington on February 07, 2012, 03:13:36 PM
The cost is almost not worth it, though. Overheat with STAB does more than Selfdestruct now, and it doesn't cost the user its life. It can use a White Herb or switch out and it's like nothing happened.
True. I was just pointing out that Explosion was rarely used to sacrifice a still useful Pokemon.
Title: Re: Pokémon Gray
Post by: Kayo on February 07, 2012, 06:10:10 PM
Quote from: Hero_of_Darkness on February 07, 2012, 05:26:36 PM
True. I was just pointing out that Explosion was rarely used to sacrifice a still useful Pokemon.
It's also pretty much a one-off move that turns into a waste of a moveslot if it can't even be used to take the opponent down with the user reliably. It's so close in power to a boosted high-power STAB move that it would probably be just as well to use Overheat/Leaf Storm/what have you, even at low HP. Since it could really only be used once, Explosion was often a good inclusion to a moveset solely for the reason that it pretty much always took down a member of the opposing team without fail. But it can't reliably do that anymore.

Really though, even though it COULD have been diluted a little, they definitely were way too harsh on it.
Title: Re: Pokémon Gray
Post by: Zero on February 07, 2012, 08:53:11 PM
Quote from: Hero_of_Darkness on February 07, 2012, 09:14:55 AM
I was talking about super effectiveness being balanced, or at least as balanced as a game with hundreds of monsters can be.

I think you misunderstood what I was talking about from the get go.