MK Banned? Now featuring: Arguements about competitive play.

[Dawei]

It's 55-45 in MK's favor, not Snake's.

[Ridley]

...I go to the Rob boards... So no, they use Rob.

Overswarm (arguably the best ROB) is the biggest advocate for the banning of metaknight.

Overswarm is the Rob board now? What about Sudai? Or Hugs? Or Toasty? Or Maxxxpower?

[tollhouse2006]

As long as the opponent has the ability to move why should meta be restricted.  every character is cheap in their own way depending on the player.  can't accept it fine but it's the truth.  life is tough and so is gaming.  and one more thing, he's not unbeatable.

[Dawei]

As long as the opponent has the ability to move why should meta be restricted.  every character is cheap in their own way depending on the player.  can't accept it fine but it's the truth.  life is tough and so is gaming.  and one more thing, he's not unbeatable.

Depending on the player works for low level people. They can get around something simple, so they bawl about this. But these are the best of the best. If they can't get past something, no one can.
And it's not that he's "unbeatable". It's that it's an uphill battle with every single character in the game, and that vs a m2k level mk, it's borderline impossible to win, since that's when matchups truly come into play.

[tibar21]

I would agree that meta knight is broken, but only because of the infinite cape and how all his arials have prioty over the other guy's moves. I learned the hard way when I attempted to spike Tollhouse's meta knight offstage with Falco.

[Dawei]

I would agree that meta knight is broken, but only because of the infinite cape and how all his arials have prioty over the other guy's moves. I learned the hard way when I attempted to spike Tollhouse's meta knight offstage with Falco.

Infinite cape is banned, so it doesn't count.

[tibar21]

I would agree that meta knight is broken, but only because of the infinite cape and how all his arials have prioty over the other guy's moves. I learned the hard way when I attempted to spike Tollhouse's meta knight offstage with Falco.

Infinite cape is banned, so it doesn't count.

still, the ariels are a bigger deal than the infinite cape anyway. I kinda got mad when Meta Knight got all those quick rapid broken arials and they nerf Jigglypuff's wall of pain. doesn't make sense. But today when I played melee I realized they really improved the problems with characters being broken. In Brawl I'd say the broken characters to top the charts are Meta  Knight, Ike, Snake, Pit, and maybe Fox.

[Dawei]

I would agree that meta knight is broken, but only because of the infinite cape and how all his arials have prioty over the other guy's moves. I learned the hard way when I attempted to spike Tollhouse's meta knight offstage with Falco.

Infinite cape is banned, so it doesn't count.

still, the ariels are a bigger deal than the infinite cape anyway. I kinda got mad when Meta Knight got all those quick rapid broken arials and they nerf Jigglypuff's wall of pain. doesn't make sense. But today when I played melee I realized they really improved the problems with characters being broken. In Brawl I'd say the broken characters to top the charts are Meta  Knight, Ike, Snake, Pit, and maybe Fox.

You added a lot of unneeded characters, so I crossed them out. And Melee is way more balanced than Brawl.

[Ridley]

I would agree that meta knight is broken, but only because of the infinite cape and how all his arials have prioty over the other guy's moves. I learned the hard way when I attempted to spike Tollhouse's meta knight offstage with Falco.

Infinite cape is banned, so it doesn't count.

still, the ariels are a bigger deal than the infinite cape anyway. I kinda got mad when Meta Knight got all those quick rapid broken arials and they nerf Jigglypuff's wall of pain. doesn't make sense. But today when I played melee I realized they really improved the problems with characters being broken. In Brawl I'd say the broken characters to top the charts are Meta  Knight, Ike, Snake, Pit, and maybe Fox.

You added a lot of unneeded characters, so I crossed them out. And Melee is way more balanced than Brawl.

Actually Snake can still be considered broken, just not as much as Metaknight.

[Dawei]

I would agree that meta knight is broken, but only because of the infinite cape and how all his arials have prioty over the other guy's moves. I learned the hard way when I attempted to spike Tollhouse's meta knight offstage with Falco.

Infinite cape is banned, so it doesn't count.

still, the ariels are a bigger deal than the infinite cape anyway. I kinda got mad when Meta Knight got all those quick rapid broken arials and they nerf Jigglypuff's wall of pain. doesn't make sense. But today when I played melee I realized they really improved the problems with characters being broken. In Brawl I'd say the broken characters to top the charts are Meta  Knight, Ike, Snake, Pit, and maybe Fox.

You added a lot of unneeded characters, so I crossed them out. And Melee is way more balanced than Brawl.

Actually Snake can still be considered broken, just not as much as Metaknight.

No, cause he has bad matchups. Meta knight has none.

[Ridley]

I would agree that meta knight is broken, but only because of the infinite cape and how all his arials have prioty over the other guy's moves. I learned the hard way when I attempted to spike Tollhouse's meta knight offstage with Falco.

Infinite cape is banned, so it doesn't count.

still, the ariels are a bigger deal than the infinite cape anyway. I kinda got mad when Meta Knight got all those quick rapid broken arials and they nerf Jigglypuff's wall of pain. doesn't make sense. But today when I played melee I realized they really improved the problems with characters being broken. In Brawl I'd say the broken characters to top the charts are Meta  Knight, Ike, Snake, Pit, and maybe Fox.

You added a lot of unneeded characters, so I crossed them out. And Melee is way more balanced than Brawl.

Actually Snake can still be considered broken, just not as much as Metaknight.

No, cause he has bad matchups. Meta knight has none.

[Jono2]

even though i'm not in the brawl community (and i was only in it for a short amount of time)...

I would say a "no for now".  banning him would decrease research on his metagame, which would decrease the findings of weaknesses.  if he is found to be even more broken (as in he continues to have more than a 60-40 against everyone but snake), in the long term?  yes.  but Melee's metagame jumped all over the place with different discoveries.  I see no reason why Brawl's won't too.

[Dawei]

I would agree that meta knight is broken, but only because of the infinite cape and how all his arials have prioty over the other guy's moves. I learned the hard way when I attempted to spike Tollhouse's meta knight offstage with Falco.

Infinite cape is banned, so it doesn't count.

still, the ariels are a bigger deal than the infinite cape anyway. I kinda got mad when Meta Knight got all those quick rapid broken arials and they nerf Jigglypuff's wall of pain. doesn't make sense. But today when I played melee I realized they really improved the problems with characters being broken. In Brawl I'd say the broken characters to top the charts are Meta  Knight, Ike, Snake, Pit, and maybe Fox.

You added a lot of unneeded characters, so I crossed them out. And Melee is way more balanced than Brawl.

Actually Snake can still be considered broken, just not as much as Metaknight.

No, cause he has bad matchups. Meta knight has none.

He can't be considered broken AT ALL because of the fact that he has poor matchups.

[Nayrman]

I would agree that meta knight is broken, but only because of the infinite cape and how all his arials have prioty over the other guy's moves. I learned the hard way when I attempted to spike Tollhouse's meta knight offstage with Falco.

Infinite cape is banned, so it doesn't count.

still, the ariels are a bigger deal than the infinite cape anyway. I kinda got mad when Meta Knight got all those quick rapid broken arials and they nerf Jigglypuff's wall of pain. doesn't make sense. But today when I played melee I realized they really improved the problems with characters being broken. In Brawl I'd say the broken characters to top the charts are Meta  Knight, Ike, Snake, Pit, and maybe Fox.

You added a lot of unneeded characters, so I crossed them out. And Melee is way more balanced than Brawl.

Actually Snake can still be considered broken, just not as much as Metaknight.

No, cause he has bad matchups. Meta knight has none.

He can't be considered broken AT ALL because of the fact that he has poor matchups.

So I guess it would be considered that he merely has advantages instead of broken-ness?

[HTA!]

I would agree that meta knight is broken, but only because of the infinite cape and how all his arials have prioty over the other guy's moves. I learned the hard way when I attempted to spike Tollhouse's meta knight offstage with Falco.

Infinite cape is banned, so it doesn't count.

still, the ariels are a bigger deal than the infinite cape anyway. I kinda got mad when Meta Knight got all those quick rapid broken arials and they nerf Jigglypuff's wall of pain. doesn't make sense. But today when I played melee I realized they really improved the problems with characters being broken. In Brawl I'd say the broken characters to top the charts are Meta  Knight, Ike, Snake, Pit, and maybe Fox.

You added a lot of unneeded characters, so I crossed them out. And Melee is way more balanced than Brawl.

Actually Snake can still be considered broken, just not as much as Metaknight.

No, cause he has bad matchups. Meta knight has none.

He can't be considered broken AT ALL because of the fact that he has poor matchups.

So I guess it would be considered that he merely has advantages instead of broken-ness?

The point of a balanced roster is that there IS A CHARACTER that can have a good match-up against MK.
There isn't.
Therefore, he is broken.