After Brawl came out, there was a lot of wild discussion of speculation after we enjoyed it totally. Now, with the special notice of Wii U and 3DS having both the franchise, it's time for a speculation thread to born! Those times when we argued what was in and what was not have finally made a come back.
So now, let's all get our ideas for the next Smash Bros. installment by starting the thread much, much earlier before the games even arrive. It is the time to discuss what characters are coming back, leaving for GOOD, or making a come back, stages to run wild, items to use (competitive fags are laughing at this part for some reason), and every single gimmick to make a return (without tripping, as general consensus has stated).
And we may begin.
Let's wait until we get an actual trailer please. Sakurai has stated he hasn't even started working on the game(s) at all... At least he admitted he's going to take balancing seriously and let more people get involved in that. That's basically all we know other than WiiU/3DS connection.
If you combine Sakurai's name and the Nintendo brand name, and anagram it properly, you'll find the new title of Smash 4.
Quote from: Nayrman on June 08, 2011, 08:22:24 PM
Let's wait until we get an actual trailer please. Sakurai has stated he hasn't even started working on the game(s) at all... At least he admitted he's going to take balancing seriously and let more people get involved in that. That's basically all we know other than WiiU/3DS connection.
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...Meta Knight is getting cut out.
Quote from: MooglePlayerChris on June 08, 2011, 08:45:40 PM
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...Meta Knight is getting cut out.
I wouldn't say cut, I more predict a MASSIVE nerfing (which, admittedly, he needs).
Quote from: Axelayer on June 08, 2011, 08:31:21 PM
If you combine Sakurai's name and the Nintendo brand name, and anagram it properly, you'll find the new title of Smash 4.
What do you mean?
Quote from: MooglePlayerChris on June 08, 2011, 08:45:40 PM
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...Meta Knight is getting cut out.
Information source?
Quote from: Nayrman on June 08, 2011, 09:08:01 PM
What do you mean?
I was mocking the incredibly deep speculation Brawl had on Oldsider. (I see Bowser in the clouds!)
...good times, good times.
Quote from: Axelayer on June 08, 2011, 09:33:11 PM
Information source?
That was a Brawl taunt to force him into submission and discuss in the thread. Mwahahahahaha.
So anyway, any hopes Snake and Sonic will stay in the game?
If I remember correctly, Nintendo is trying to get more in touch with 3rd Party companies for the next console (WiiU [and maybe 3DS, or maybe everything? IDK]), I actually think this was proven on an E3 video on the E3 website (INTRODUCING WII U, NOW HERE'S A SHIT TON OF GAMES THAT AREN'T NINTENDO AT ALL!). So I think there's gonna be quite a bit more 3rd party characters. Sonic, being a Mario rival officially, will make a return. I'm not even gonna say there's a 99% chance because I can guarantee him almost as much as Link. Snake? Probably, I mean he was the official 3rd party character of Brawl, I'd be ultra surprised if I didn't see him in the next one.
Do I want either of them? Well, personally no, I mean, I liked it being a battle of Nintendo only, mainly because I'm a Nintendork. But they'll probably be back, and I don't mind as much as I did in the past. Though, if they do have more 3rd Party characters, I do want Megaman or something to make an appearance, maybe even Banjo Kazooie and someone from Final Fantasy (Mario Sports Mix). Doubt most of my ideas, but a guy can dream.
Cross-platform multiplayer would be badass.
Tom Nook
Gardevoir
Lynn
Waluigi
Vaati
RIDLEYYYYY!
Aside from there not being another Smash Bros., if people MUST speculate, I wonder what characters people will push next time.
You really didn't get me to discuss anything other than what might happen to metaknight. And as I said, there really isn't much to talk about aside from what is given to us so far, which isn't much. Sure, we can discuss characters all we want but we all know how tiresome that got in the nearly two year delay Brawl got after it's initial trailer. So yeah, let's wait for the first footage before getting to that hm? The only characters we really can speculate on are third parties since well, that's a whole matter entirely different from the regular Nintendo characters. So yeah, my thoughts on those:
Sonic - pretty much a sure in. Unless Nintendo hands down the "no third parties" hammer on Sakurai, I'm pretty sure Sonic will be back. After all, the Mario and Sonic games are still selling really well, and are still being made. So yeah, Sonic is probably in.
Snake - probably back. The big issue with Snake was if Sakurai would be back or not, as it was their friendship that got Snake in the first place. With Sakurai back, I put it in the probably but not entirely certain category.
I like the idea of fighting games getting guest appearance characters.
Just like Soul Calibur 2 had one for each console exclusively:
Link for GC.
Heihachi for PS2.
Spawn for Xbox.
So the addition of Snake and Sonic was a neat idea on their part.
Having Travis Touchdown join the roster would be pretty kickass.
Thanks to Sonic and Snake, third party speculation will never die.
Okay, maybe speculating now is too early.
But it won't matter until you read this article from IGN (at least they do interviews).
E3 2011: Super Smash Bros. Was "A Miracle"
Masahiro Sakurai on making the original Smash Bros. game work, and on the possibility of teaming up with Capcom for the next title.
During IGN's interview with Masahiro Sakurai, the legendary designer behind the Super Smash Bros. titles and the inventor of Kirby, we asked him about the possibility of a Capcom character crossing over into the next Super Smash Bros., which is coming to both 3DS and Wii U. Here's what he had to say:
"I can't say that it's entirely out of the realm of possibility that some Capcom character could appear in the next Smash Bros. The big problem, though, comes from the idea of trying to get characters from a completely different universe to fit with the style that has been dictated by Nintendo's characters in a fighting game.
"In fact, I actually think it's a miracle that we got Smash Bros. and all the Nintendo characters to work together in the first place. Especially when you bring Pokemon into the mix and a lot of the complications that are caused by that being an almost completely different entity on its own, it's really something. So this is something that obviously will come up more as we get started on the new Smash Bros. development, but keeping those things in mind I think is important."
Development on the title hasn't begun yet, but it's encouraging that Mr. Sakurai sees the biggest hurdle as one of ensuring a good fit, as opposed to other potential complications. Given that both Solid Snake and Sonic appeared in Brawl, a classic Capcom character or two could definitely work in the new title.
We also asked Mr. Sakurai whether, looking back at Brawl and Melee, there were any things that he wasn't able to include - but really wanted to - that he could potentially put into the new title? He told is that: "There were actually a lot of things, but perhaps that's something to be talked about when we get closer to discussing that game in more detail."
Guess we'll have to wait and see. We'll have our full interview with Mr. Sakurai up next week, so stay tuned.
Fan misguided speculation: We're getting Dante over here!
Ah, character speculation was fun back in those days of waiting for brawl. Good times. However, like Nayrman said, we should wait until we get some footage.
They should put Pac Man in the game.
Waluigi/Daisy anyone?
If they could do cross platform I would want Lightning (although she has nothing to do with nintendo).
If Capcom gets a rep, it should be Megaman; anyone else would be nonsense (how Megaman didn't make it into MvC3 is unfathomable, considering Tron Bonne and Zero made it in). If somehow Megaman doesn't make it, then runner up is Ryu, who is at least from another popular fighting game.
If Square-Enix gets a rep... I don't know. Geno would make sense, and lots of fans including me want him in, but I really wish he could count as a Nintendo character instead of a Square character. I'd like Sora most of all, due to my love of his series and the fact that KH has had half of its games on Nintendo, but I'm sure Disney would have to be taken into account, and that could over-complicate things. Perhaps Chrono or an earlier FF character would work, given their origin on a Nintendo console?
If Ubisoft gets a rep, I want Rayman or the Prince... preferably Rayman, because how freaking awesome would that be?
I've always thought Rayman would make a great addition since SSB64.
I also want to see more Kongs show up rather than just keeping the spotlight only on DK and Diddy.
I think Rayman would fit very well. Doesn't seem like it would be hard for him to be added according to what Sakurai wants in the E3 thingy.
I too would like Rayman, but that's probably a stretch overall. Guess we'll see. Although Micele Ancel did say he'd be open to the idea back during Brawl. But then again, just about everyone said they'd be open to their characters in Smash. Even Goichi Suda wanted Travis Touchdown in Smash. Now THAT would be hilarious and awesome.
And the codecs. I would like them to come back.
I wonder if we would get DLC this time.
That's one of the many big things the Smash series lacked.
Although we probably will do fine without it.
EDIT: I guess this would be unlikely due to the fact that Wii U has no Hard Drive. *Sigh*
Quote from: FruitFlow on June 10, 2011, 01:32:05 PM
I wonder if we would get DLC this time.
That's one of the many big things the Smash series lacked.
Although we probably will do fine without it.
EDIT: I guess this would be unlikely due to the fact that Wii U has no Hard Drive. *Sigh*
(http://i457.photobucket.com/albums/qq292/BalladOfGales/Mask_Salesman_rage.gif)
Where did you see this?!
It's on pretty much every website. A 500GB drive is $50, and the Wii U supports USB hard drives. So it's not a big deal...
Quote from: Tupin on June 10, 2011, 03:37:43 PM
It's on pretty much every website. A 500GB drive is $50, and the Wii U supports USB hard drives. So it's not a big deal...
Yes it is. It's a cost that shouldn't be passed on to the consumer considering it is very cheap and even basic memory doesn't raise cost at all. It essentially limits what developers can do for downloadable games and DLC, which is one of the MANY shortcomings of the Wii (it's why it didn't get Super Meat Boy)
Quote from: Nayrman on June 10, 2011, 03:48:49 PM
Yes it is. It's a cost that shouldn't be passed on to the consumer considering it is very cheap and even basic memory doesn't raise cost at all. It essentially limits what developers can do for downloadable games and DLC, which is one of the MANY shortcomings of the Wii (it's why it didn't get Super Meat Boy)
Well, the cost thing is a shame, but there might be a way to allow 3rd parties to make what they want: Nintendo-brand external hard drives. If Nintendo released their own line of hard drives, like they did for SD cards, then they could assure themselves and 3rd parties that customers [for the most part] at least have access to hard drives. It would be like the Expansion Pack for the N64; whenever they release a downloadable game or a disc with DLC potential, they could simply have a warning on it saying "You must have an external hard drive to fully enjoy this game."
Quote from: Neerb on June 10, 2011, 04:25:48 PM
Well, the cost thing is a shame, but there might be a way to allow 3rd parties to make what they want: Nintendo-brand external hard drives. If Nintendo released their own line of hard drives, like they did for SD cards, then they could assure themselves and 3rd parties that customers [for the most part] at least have access to hard drives. It would be like the Expansion Pack for the N64; whenever they release a downloadable game or a disc with DLC potential, they could simply have a warning on it saying "You must have an external hard drive to fully enjoy this game."
Or...how about they just PUT THE HARD DRIVE ON THE DAMN MACHINE!
Quote from: Nayrman on June 10, 2011, 04:58:34 PM
Or...how about they just PUT THE HARD DRIVE ON THE DAMN MACHINE!
Of course that would be better; I'm just listing an alternative if they chose not to put the hard drive on the machine.
Quote from: Nayrman on June 10, 2011, 04:58:34 PM
Or...how about they just PUT THE HARD DRIVE ON THE DAMN MACHINE!
Wouldn't that cause a "Red Ring of Death" in this console, though?
Quote from: MooglePlayerChris on June 10, 2011, 06:40:36 PM
Wouldn't that cause a "Red Ring of Death" in this console, though?
Great deduction skills there, Watson.
Super Smash Bros. Duel - Play on words. Duel - Dual - WiiU and 3DS.
Super Smash Bros. Clash
Super Smash Bros. Rumble
Super Smash Bros. ...
uhhh
Super Smash Bros. WiiU.
Quote from: Zero on June 10, 2011, 07:33:56 PM
Great deduction skills there, Watson.
So was I right?
Quote from: MooglePlayerChris on June 10, 2011, 09:08:10 PM
So was I right?
Red Ring is a mysterious ailment most commonly blamed on faulty wiring. I assume a hard drive can exist without getting it.
Quote from: Riddler21 on June 10, 2011, 09:04:22 PM
Super Smash Bros. Duel - Play on words. Duel - Dual - WiiU and 3DS.
I very much like that, but I'm not sure if both games should have the same name; it would make it seem like the 3DS one is just a worse version, and Sakurai mentioned that he wanted to make the 3DS game a unique, worth-buying experience, not a lesser port like some Call of Duty DS game. He even played with the idea of the 3DS having custom characters that you can send over to play on the Wii U.
Super Smash Bros. Clash was the first to come to my mind, but then after a while it started sounded a bit too generic.
Quote from: Tupin on June 10, 2011, 03:37:43 PM
It's on pretty much every website. A 500GB drive is $50, and the Wii U supports USB hard drives. So it's not a big deal...
Yeah, you're right.
It's not a big deal. It's a
huge deal.
Not only was it a bad move on their part, but it's also inconsiderate for that to be put on the consumer.
No Hard Drive = No DLC.
And it's a shame how a supposed HD console lacks even that of all things.
The controllers alone are already expensive enough as is.
Super Smash Bros. Scuffle!
We got time to submit Geno as a Final Fantasy rep. We just need to convince the entire Japanese fanbase into having a nostalgia streak.
http://www.facebook.com/pages/Put-Geno-in-the-next-Smash-Bros/191240687593255
Get to work promoting. :3
Seriously, already? @_@;;
I just made it for you guys. :3
The sooner it's made, the bigger it'll be by the time you get to suggest it.
Quote from: Riddler21 on June 11, 2011, 07:54:36 PM
http://www.facebook.com/pages/Put-Geno-in-the-next-Smash-Bros/191240687593255
Get to work promoting. :3
Oh yeah, like SAKURAI would look at FACEBOOK.
Quote from: MooglePlayerChris on June 11, 2011, 08:19:24 PM
Oh yeah, like SAKURAI would look at FACEBOOK.
You seem to not realize the growing power of Facebook.
LOL.
Quote from: FruitFlow on June 11, 2011, 08:45:45 PM
LOL.
You think that's funny?
You realize they're now making cars where you can get Facebook status updates by pressing a button on your mirror?
That every single major corporation has a dedicated Facebook staff?
That more than 500 million people use it?
You fail to realize Sakurai's got no time to look at Facebook.
Quote from: MooglePlayerChris on June 11, 2011, 08:54:32 PM
You fail to realize Sakurai's got no time to look at Facebook.
You think he's the only person who makes these games? Are you retarded? You think he makes every single decision all by himself with no crew?
Quote from: Riddler21 on June 11, 2011, 09:39:49 PM
You think he's the only person who makes these games? Are you retarded? You think he makes every single decision all by himself with no crew?
First, do not call me retarded. That really hurt.
Second, it's unheard of that a game related worker uses Facebook as the basis of an idea.
Quote from: MooglePlayerChris on June 11, 2011, 09:43:10 PM
First, do not call me retarded. That really hurt.
Second, it's unheard of that a game related worker uses Facebook as the basis of an idea.
You're just being closeminded :3
Facebook is a huge growing power. Huge is an understatement. The person who runs Zynga, aka Farmville, was named one of the top 100 creative minds of our generation. FARMVILLE.
Now, Jigglypuff was put in due to fan support. Japanese or not, it was fan support. With how big facebook is getting, most, if not all, major corporations are using facebook to find ideas and sell things to their customers/fan bases. This includes video games companies.
Obviously it's not fool-proof, but it's not a lost cause. I'll say it again: Facebook is more powerful than you realize.
Yes Facebook is powerful Rob, but what are the chance that ANYONE from Nintendo is gonna see it?
What are the chances that some other nerdbase won't make thousands more "PUT *insert video game character here* INTO THE NEXT SMASH BROS GAME" page? Then what are the chances of some overdedicated nerds making a bunch of Facebook accounts just to get some more likes for those pages? (With just an email needed [and I forget if it needs to be verified], it's super easy to do).
Another thing, this nerdbase isn't big enough. If only NSFCD knows of it, what will that accomplish? If only a handful of fan forums know of it, what will that accomplish? A good amount of each forum won't give enough of a poop to like it, and it will only get a handful of likes.
It looks like Nintendo has its own Facebook, though...
Quote from: JrDude 益 on June 11, 2011, 10:30:01 PM
Yes Facebook is powerful Rob, but what are the chance that ANYONE from Nintendo is gonna see it?
Once again, underestimating the true power. And, as MPC said, even Nintendo has it.
http://www.facebook.com/#!/Nintendo
What are the chances that some other nerdbase won't make thousands more "PUT *insert video game character here* INTO THE NEXT SMASH BROS GAME" page? Then what are the chances of some overdedicated nerds making a bunch of Facebook accounts just to get some more likes for those pages? (With just an email needed [and I forget if it needs to be verified], it's super easy to do).Most of that is irrelevant if it were to get big enough.
Another thing, this nerdbase isn't big enough. If only NSFCD knows of it, what will that accomplish? If only a handful of fan forums know of it, what will that accomplish? A good amount of each forum won't give enough of a poop to like it, and it will only get a handful of likes.
That's why I said start early. Add people we know, that spreads to their friends, to their friends, to their friends, etc.
Quote from: MooglePlayerChris on June 10, 2011, 09:08:10 PM
So was I right?
No.
Quote from: Neerb on June 10, 2011, 10:04:26 PM
Red Ring is a mysterious ailment most commonly blamed on faulty wiring. I assume a hard drive can exist without getting it.
Also incorrect. Er. Well, if you are assuming all technical details can be referred to as "wiring", anyway. You're right about the hard drive having nothing to do with it though. Why one would assume the hard drive has anything to do with these failures is beyond me.
The Red Ring of Death occurs due to many reasons, some of which are: poorly soldered joints/parts, terrible original motherboard(could not displace heat well, thankfully newer models improved upon this, and other issues as well), poorly integrated heatsinks, inefficient GPU, among other things. Would rather not go into detail, as its all under the bridge anyway. I doubt you folks will have to worry about the Wii U having a high failure rate.
I'm all for Geno but would rather have Mega Man, especially if Capcom is getting involved in the development. Though if that does end up happening he's probably a shoe-in.
EDIT:
Quote from: Riddler21 on June 11, 2011, 09:59:33 PM
Now, Jigglypuff was put in due to fan support. Japanese or not, it was fan support.
If by "fan support" you mean blatant popularity to the point where anything Jigglypuff was snatched up off of the shelves in a heartbeat then, yeah. Fans had no input as to what was put in the original outside of voting with their money, and even then they obviously were oblivious to what they were voting for unless there is some poll that I'm unaware of. Jiggs was a cash-in, hell even girls in the states were interested in Smash Bros. simply because they recognized Jiggs. Your Facebook "fan support" is a different entity entirely from the "fan support" Jiggs had. It isn't a lost cause at all, sure, but Geno doesn't exactly make the bank that Jiggs did back in her golden years.
Still, I encourage you to keep up with it and see where it goes. You never know.
Possible titles for next game.
Super Smash Bros. "Instert Synonym for FIGHT here"
Google - thesaurus. Fight.
action, affray, altercation, argument, battle, battle royal, bout, brawl, broil, brush, clash, combat, conflict, confrontation, contention, contest, controversy, difficulty, disagreement, dispute, dissension, dogfight, duel, engagement, exchange, feud, fisticuffs, fracas, fray, free-for-all, fuss, hostility, joust, match, melee, quarrel, riot, rivalry, round, row, ruckus, rumble, scrap*, scrimmage, scuffle, set-to, skirmish, sparring match, strife, struggle, tiff, to-do, tussle, war, wrangling
Bolded the ones I actually think might be possible.
Anywho, I think some possible additional characters could be:
Rayman
Dr. Eggman (Or really anyone else besides Sonic, maybe even Tails)
Captain Olimar (He wasn't a character was he? I forget, i haven't played Brawl in ages)
Get rid of Game & Watch and replace him with Paper Mario.
Mii (I dunno how they could do it, maybe even let you customize your own moves or something.)
James mother intercourse ing Bond. (Now I'm just throwing poop out there. Ya never know!)
Chibi-Robo?
Anywho, I'm just excited for some sort of announcement. Seeing as this'll be my first year of college - I don't see myself in any kind of financial situation to afford both this and a 3DS, so I'll probably only be able to the get the 3DS version for now, but we'll see.
I bet the announcement about compatibility between the two, btw, will be that you can play online against people playing either console. (At least I think that would be the coolest thing they could implement.)
Tussle? Ruckus? lol do you have any idea how ridiculous those names are?
Humor me.
Super Smash Bros. Controversy.
Super Smash Slaughterers
Super Smash Bros. Argument That Results In Physical Aggression
Super Smash Bros. Hissy Fit.
SSB faggot fight for character lists
Quote from: Bearissoslow on June 22, 2011, 10:38:21 PM
SSB faggot fight for character lists
Seems a bit wordy; I'm not sure it would fit well on the box cover. Oh, and congrats for ranking up!
Super Smash Bros. To-Do.
Super Smash Bros: Play time is over
people lik eyou are the reason I hate all of you
Quote from: Bearissoslow on June 26, 2011, 03:49:56 AM
people lik eyou are the reason I hate all of you
Cute you talk to us still. You're so nice.
Quote from: Bearissoslow on June 26, 2011, 03:49:56 AM
people lik eyou are the reason I hate all of you
lol
i'll never forget you bear
Excuse me for not reading the first four pages.
Super Smash Bros. Mayhem has probably already been suggested, but that's one of my guesses.
As far as characters go, they should balance Sakurai's mistakes, bring back all of the old characters (regardless of game), and add more Pokémon. It's too much fun to use them. And they need to add good ones like Scizor, Gengar, and Machamp. The rest of the Star Fox team would be cool to use too. Maybe even Krystal, because of her spear or whatever.
Other characters I'd like to see are a Boo, a Koopa, and an Animal Crossing person.
lol if they put in Miis like how Microsoft puts the avatars in games. I'd love to see a Wii Sports boxing Mii fight.
Yeah lets have pokemon that have no significance at all on the roster. Ingenious idea.
It's 2006 all over again. Just shoot me now.
Don't worry, Evil Gary. I disliked 95% of what he wants in the game.
Quote from: Zero on July 02, 2011, 04:10:07 PM
Yeah lets have pokemon that have no significance at all on the roster. Ingenious idea.
It's 2006 all over again. Just shoot me now.
Yes, let's. It
is an ingenious idea, isn't it?
Quote from: RX-78-2 on July 02, 2011, 11:16:53 PM
Yes, let's. It is an ingenious idea, isn't it?
someone staple the talkhole on this ninny
This is great. :D I knew you couldn't resist joining this.
Quote from: RX-78-2 on July 03, 2011, 12:00:28 AM
This is great. :D I knew you couldn't resist joining this.
"""""""""""""""""joining"""""""""""""""""
Quote from: RX-78-2 on July 02, 2011, 11:16:53 PM
Yes, let's. It is an ingenious idea, isn't it?
Can't find my stapler
Some more cool character additions would be the bounty hunters from Metroid Prime: Hunters and/or a Space Pirate. And they should keep Ike, but totally bring back Roy.
Krystal ftw. She'd have to be totally different than fox falco or wolf though. Too many dupes then. Petey Pirhanna is possible. Shadow Mario. Shadow/Knuckles/Tails/Eggman. Boo definitely.
every time you italicize something to make it look really intercourse ing important like you're some type of intellectual I think you become stupider
smoke crack
Quote from: Bearissoslow on July 03, 2011, 10:55:26 PM
every time you italicize something to make it look really intercourse ing important like you're some type of intellectual I think you become stupider
smoke crack
I think I'm falling in love with you.
Super Smash Bros.: Revenge.
FUCK YEAH IT HAS THE WORD "REVENGE" IN IT. PURE GOLD., PURE BADASSERY.
I think the title should have a bit of originality in it.
I mean the end part doesn't necessarily have to be in full relation to the previous titles.
It worked with DKCR, so I'm sure something can be done with these new ones.
Quote from: FruitFlow on July 04, 2011, 03:59:45 PM
I think the title should have a bit of originality in it.
I mean the end part doesn't necessarily have to be in full relation to the previous titles.
It worked with DKCR, so I'm sure something can be done with these new ones.
Super Smash Bros. Brawl Returns.
Ultra Crush Siblings
none of you are as clever as you think you are
Quote from: Bearissoslow on July 04, 2011, 10:45:28 PM
none of you are as clever as you think you are
The irony.
Quote from: MooglePlayerChris on July 04, 2011, 11:22:30 PM
The irony.
that's not the right usage of irony you motherintercourse ing idiot
the right word you were looking for is "hypocrisy"
Quote from: Bearissoslow on July 05, 2011, 12:58:54 AM
that's not the right usage of irony you motherintercourse ing idiot
the right word you were looking for is "hypocrisy"
I'm pretty sure that's not hypocrisy. How did you even come up with that?
Quote from: Live In Stereo on July 05, 2011, 03:25:29 AM
I'm pretty sure that's not hypocrisy. How did you even come up with that?
http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/Hypocrisy
god I hope you die in a fire that I start from your parents
Quote from: Bearissoslow on July 05, 2011, 03:53:56 AM
http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/Hypocrisy
god I hope you die in a fire that I start from your parents
Parents aren't dry enough you'll need something drier.
Quote from: Bearissoslow on July 05, 2011, 03:53:56 AM
http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/Hypocrisy
god I hope you die in a fire that I start from your parents
It's irony if you claim
we're not smart when you really aren't.
It's hypocrisy if you claim
you are smart when you really aren't.
That post you just made was a case of irony, although combining it with previous posts could create an overarching sense of hypocrisy.
Quote from: Neerb on July 05, 2011, 09:57:39 AM
It's irony if you claim we're not smart when you really aren't.
It's hypocrisy if you claim you are smart when you really aren't.
That post you just made was a case of irony, although combining it with previous posts could create an overarching sense of hypocrisy.
We should just invent a new word for it.
And put it in the new Smash Bros. title.
Super Smash Bros. Iropcrisy
Quote from: Bearissoslow on July 05, 2011, 03:53:56 AM
http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/Hypocrisy
god I hope you die in a fire that I start from your parents
Actually my dad is already dead. So have fun grave grave robbing. And I still don't see how hypocrisy applied there. Thinking oneself to be clever is not the same as presenting yourself as being clever when you know you're not. (If that example can even be called hypocrisy too)
Super smash Bros 4
Super Smash Bros. Four.
Difference: Mine has four extra letters.
Quote from: Neerb on July 05, 2011, 09:57:39 AM
It's irony if you claim we're not smart when you really aren't.
It's hypocrisy if you claim you are smart when you really aren't.
That post you just made was a case of irony, although combining it with previous posts could create an overarching sense of hypocrisy.
no it's actually hypocrisy when I criticize someone for a quality that I myself either am at fault with or do not possess.
since I know that he intended to say I'm not intercourse ing clever like I think I am, it's hypocrisy.
qed go learn English
Quote from: Live In Stereo on July 05, 2011, 01:27:31 PM
Actually my dad is already dead.
clearly he saw what you do in your free time before he died.
Quit trolling this thread, Bear.
Quote from: Bearissoslow on July 06, 2011, 04:57:56 PM
clearly he saw what you do in your free time before he died.
It still wasn't hypocrisy.
Quote from: Bearissoslow on July 06, 2011, 04:57:07 PM
no it's actually hypocrisy when I criticize someone for a quality that I myself either am at fault with or do not possess.
since I know that he intended to say I'm not intercourse ing clever like I think I am, it's hypocrisy.
qed go learn English
What you just said here does not match up with the definition you linked earlier
"–noun, plural -sies.
1.
a pretense of having a virtuous character, moral or religious beliefs or principles, etc., that one does not really possess.
2.
a pretense of having some desirable or publicly approved attitude.
3.
an act or instance of hypocrisy. "Seeing as how you have no pretense of having any of that.
Quote from: Bearissoslow on July 05, 2011, 03:53:56 AM
http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/Hypocrisy
god I hope you die in a fire that I start from your parents
And going back to this, I wonder if this could count as planning to commit murder?
Quote from: MooglePlayerChris on July 05, 2011, 05:30:10 PM
Super Smash Bros. Four.
Difference: Mine has four extra letters.
But one less number.
I for one vote we should stop all Smash talk until we at least have a trailer or some screens. Lots of arguing already and it's turning south. C'mon guys, keep it civil since we've got nothing to really talk about for it.
Quote from: Nayrman on July 06, 2011, 07:03:01 PM
I for one vote we should stop all Smash talk until we at least have a trailer or some screens. Lots of arguing already and it's turning south. C'mon guys, keep it civil since we've got nothing to really talk about for it.
Speculation never goes well.
Quote from: Nayrman on July 06, 2011, 07:03:01 PM
I for one vote we should stop all Smash talk until we at least have a trailer or some screens. Lots of arguing already and it's turning south. C'mon guys, keep it civil since we've got nothing to really talk about for it.
It's bear, isn't it.
Quote from: Kayo on July 06, 2011, 07:09:33 PM
Speculation never goes well.
I know, I was around for all of Brawl's stuff, but I think we should at least wait until we actually have something to talk about.
Quote from: Nayrman on July 06, 2011, 07:49:16 PM
I know, I was around for all of Brawl's stuff, but I think we should at least wait until we actually have something to talk about.
That goes for pretty much every game at a certain point.
Quote from: Live In Stereo on July 06, 2011, 06:35:25 PM
It still wasn't hypocrisy.
What you just said here does not match up with the definition you linked earlier
"–noun, plural -sies.
1.
a pretense of having a virtuous character, moral or religious beliefs or principles, etc., that one does not really possess.
2.
a pretense of having some desirable or publicly approved attitude.
3.
an act or instance of hypocrisy. "
Seeing as how you have no pretense of having any of that.
And going back to this, I wonder if this could count as planning to commit murder?
You're that kid who tries to throw punches after the bully has been pulled off. Knock it off and stick to the topic.
Quote from: Ron on July 03, 2011, 10:47:35 PM
Krystal ftw. She'd have to be totally different than fox falco or wolf though. Too many dupes then. Petey Pirhanna is possible. Shadow Mario. Shadow/Knuckles/Tails/Eggman. Boo definitely.
I definitely forgot about Knuckles and Tails. They'd be awesome--especially Knuckles. Shadow would be cool too I guess, and they could easily work in Eggman.
Quote from: Bearissoslow on July 03, 2011, 10:55:26 PM
every time you italicize something to make it look really intercourse ing important like you're some type of intellectual I think you become stupider
smoke crack
It's only proper grammar to italicize the title of a major work. Why make a big deal out of it?
Quote from: Bearissoslow on July 05, 2011, 12:58:54 AM
that's not the right usage of irony you motherintercourse ing idiot
the right word you were looking for is "hypocrisy"
Since I'm Grammar Nazi (which often carries over into vocabulary), I'm just going to go ahead and say that the previous usage of irony was correct. This is because you stated that other users are not clever, when in fact, the one that replied to you implied that you're not one to talk since you're at least equally not clever.
Quote from: Bearissoslow on July 06, 2011, 04:57:07 PM
go learn English
There's irony at it's finest.
In an effort to get back on topic, I do agree with Nayrman that it's a bit early to talk about this, but meh.
How about a change of pace? What do guys want to see removed (and/or fixed) from the new SSB game?
Quote from: BOREDFANBOY on July 06, 2011, 08:38:37 PM
You're that kid who tries to throw punches after the bully has been pulled off. Knock it off and stick to the topic.
Or you could just have just asked me to stop and I would have. And I doubt he's been pulled off.
Quote from: Live In Stereo on July 06, 2011, 09:50:31 PM
Or you could just have just asked me to stop and I would have. And I doubt he's been pulled off.
Live, quiet.
Quote from: RX-78-2 on July 06, 2011, 09:29:49 PM
In an effort to get back on topic, I do agree with Nayrman that it's a bit early to talk about this, but meh.
How about a change of pace? What do guys want to see removed (and/or fixed) from the new SSB game?
Honestly, nothing from SSBB stuck out to me as bad, per se. I can't say there's anything I want removed altogether. I want some new things added, definitely. But I was content with Brawl when it came out.
Jiggle physics.
Also more Subspace Emissary. Even if SSE sucked (I don't think it did but a lot of people do), it was a good idea in theory. Though I want all characters to be in the story it is gonna try to have.
What might be cool is a special SSB only character. Kinda like Master Hand except intentionally playable and not ever used in a Kirby game's future.
Random tripping MUST LEAVE.
Also, I'd like Adventure mode from Melee to return instead of Subspace Emissary. What exactly do I mean by that? Simple: use pre-existing Nintendo worlds and characters instead of making up the most generic world ever thought up. I want to run through a section of Hyrule as Pokemon Trainer, or hop through Bowser's Castle and fight Magikoopas as Kirby. Give me a real crossover, dangit, not a bad fan-fic where they all live together as trophies.
For me, SSE was ALMOST there. It was pretty good, just it didn't seem quite good ENOUGH. Am I the only one that thought this? It just needed a little more something.
SSE was memorable for making a ragtag bunch of misfits partner up. Also, the badass cutscenes.
I used it to unlock Mr. Game & Watch easily.
Quote from: Neerb on July 07, 2011, 11:35:25 AM
Except I pretty much stopped after I got Mr. G&W.
I thought SSE was horribile. The levels were bland, the enemies had nothing to do with Nintendo (save for the occasional goomba or Koopa popping up), and since there's no dialogue, or even a story for that matter, it's like they're just a bunch of random cutscenes of characters doing stuff. To be honest, I much preferred Adventure in Melee since it actually had something to do with Nintendo series. Going around a Zelda dungeon or a Mario level would be awesome. Expand that, instead of just making me go through a bunch of boring levels with no real sense of what's going on.
I agree with you except for the "horrible" part. I encourage the idea of making a story by connecting game levels into one another.
The issue will be making a story out of that, though.
trolling is doing something like talking about how gay everyone here is
so yes i'm trolling ban me
Quote from: Bearissoslow on July 07, 2011, 01:52:13 PM
trolling is doing something like talking about how gay everyone here is
so yes i'm trolling ban me
Only the trolls who are horrible at trolling admit they are trolling.
On topic, I just want more characters, the gameplay was fine imo.
Quote from: Tahrann on July 07, 2011, 02:20:56 PM
Only the trolls who are horrible at trolling admit they are trolling.
On topic, I just want more characters, the gameplay was fine imo.
you intercourse ing troll
Quote from: Bearissoslow on July 07, 2011, 02:35:26 PM
you intercourse ing troll
Problem?
Now cool yo tits gurrl, cause this is a SSB topic.
Adventure Mode was by far the best single player option compared to SSE.
Quote from: MooglePlayerChris on July 07, 2011, 01:41:45 PM
I agree with you except for the "horrible" part. I encourage the idea of making a story by connecting game levels into one another.
The issue will be making a story out of that, though.
It's not so much the "story" aspect of just having a very good single player. I think for Brawl Sakurai confused single player mode for story somewhere along development lines. Adventure in Melee was a glimpse of what it could be. I don't think there's really a way to make a story work for Smash. Some series could connect fine (such as Zelda and Fire Emblem, or Star Fox and F-Zero) all together it simply won't ever work right. And it showed in SSE. Especially difficult considering Nintendo almost never lets their characters talk in game...
Crossovers never make any sense.
Quote from: Super on July 07, 2011, 05:55:59 PM
Crossovers never make any sense.
Bull; Jetsons meet the Flintstones made so much sense it blew my mind.
I'm honestly not expecting a great single-player mode on Smash 4. If we get a good one I'll be surprised but happy.
Quote from: Kayo on July 07, 2011, 07:05:38 PM
I'm honestly not expecting a great single-player mode on Smash 4. If we get a good one I'll be surprised but happy.
WHICH Smash 4? Remember, we're getting Wii U and 3DS, and Nintendo said they want to give people a reason to buy both. Which brings up a good question: which of the two upcoming games do you guys think MOST needs a good single player mode?
I think 3DS needs a greater single player focus. Granted, it's portable, and with any luck will have Download Play, but think about it: would it be more friend-efficient to have one $300 console that everyone plays on, or do you really want to force 4 people to purchase $250 controllers? I for one have gotten WAY more multiplayer time from my Wii than I have from my DS for this very reason, and I don't think this concept will be changing any time soon.
Furthermore, I generally have more options when I'm using a home console; the portables get the most hours into them on car trips and vacations when they're the only gaming options available.
For these two reasons, I think that Super Smash Bros 3DS should get the most focus on single player between the two games. Of course, multiplayer quality shouldn't be sacrificed under any circumstances, and I definitely wouldn't mind if BOTH consoles got decent single player.
SSE was a good idea in theory. There are ways to make it work, but in order for it to satisfy more, it would basically have to be it's own game. Explaining more than I did will be fan-fictiony and I doubt it will happen the way I would explain it.
But something that could be cool. An "Adventure Mode" AND a "Subspace Emmisary"
By that I mean, maybe call adventure mode something else, but have the same concept. You're somehow in another character's world and you have to do some type of mini game to beat the level, then fight a character or 2 or 30 from that series.
A good story mode like 1-player game would completely make the game. I mean I looked at SSE like an extra, even though it SHOULD be much more than that. Having a GREAT AND AMAZING single player mode, in addition to an awesome multiplayer mode SSB is famous for, it would make it a truly fantastic game.
Quote from: FruitFlow on July 07, 2011, 03:08:19 PM
Adventure Mode was by far the best single player option compared to SSE.
nigga speaks the truth; SSE intercourse ing ruined Brawl
Quote from: JrDude 益 on July 07, 2011, 03:06:32 AM
Jiggle physics.
Also more Subspace Emissary. Even if SSE sucked (I don't think it did but a lot of people do), it was a good idea in theory. Though I want all characters to be in the story it is gonna try to have.
What might be cool is a special SSB only character. Kinda like Master Hand except intentionally playable and not ever used in a Kirby game's future.
I don't think SSE was that bad either. Sure it was weird, but the enemies were oftentimes so freaky that I liked them. The story could've been more coherent, but I'm not expecting anything profound from Nintendo--that is, in an
SSB game.
That
SSB only character is actually a great idea though. My friend actually modded/hacked/whatever his
SSBM so that he could play as Master Hand and Crazy Hand. It mostly worked too, which was really cool. Maybe this special character could be like the previously anticipated wire frames...?
Quote from: Neerb on July 07, 2011, 08:07:06 AM
Random tripping MUST LEAVE.
Seconded. That's one thing I had in mind when asking about removals and fixes.
Quote from: Nayrman on July 07, 2011, 05:47:50 PM
It's not so much the "story" aspect of just having a very good single player. I think for Brawl Sakurai confused single player mode for story somewhere along development lines. Adventure in Melee was a glimpse of what it could be. I don't think there's really a way to make a story work for Smash. Some series could connect fine (such as Zelda and Fire Emblem, or Star Fox and F-Zero) all together it simply won't ever work right. And it showed in SSE. Especially difficult considering Nintendo almost never lets their characters talk in game...
What you said about connecting the
Zelda and
Fire Emblem series (and
Star Fox and
F-Zero) gave me an idea. The developers could connect the universes of certain series as aforementioned and there could be many separate storylines to the single player mode. Alternatively, there could be separate storylines for each character similar to the
Soul Calibur series. Yet another alternative would be to have a generic martial arts tournament, but I'm not sure that many people would prefer something like that.
QuoteYet another alternative would be to have a generic martial arts tournament, but I'm not sure that many people would prefer something like that.
okay let's be honest and not hide behind the thousands of facades that you do: do you know what the term "martial-arts" means because if you say yes you clearly are lying to me
Quote from: RX-78-2 on June 29, 2011, 12:27:29 AM
Excuse me for not reading the first four pages.
Super Smash Bros. Mayhem has probably already been suggested, but that's one of my guesses.
As far as characters go, they should balance Sakurai's mistakes, bring back all of the old characters (regardless of game), and add more Pokémon. It's too much fun to use them. And they need to add good ones like Scizor, Gengar, and Machamp. The rest of the Star Fox team would be cool to use too. Maybe even Krystal, because of her spear or whatever.
Other characters I'd like to see are a Boo, a Koopa, and an Animal Crossing person.
lol if they put in Miis like how Microsoft puts the avatars in games. I'd love to see a Wii Sports boxing Mii fight.
i'd really love to see miis disappear and never be mentioned or put in another game again
that would be a character i would like to see
no pokemon
no more starfox characters
a boo would suck, you can't look at it
a koopa would suck, it's a standard enemy, not a character
animal crossing characters wtf are you smoking
Quote from: FruitFlow on July 09, 2011, 06:38:27 PM
Pokemon had far too many reps in the entire Smash series.
And most of them were only added in due to high popularity.
I'll be honest when I say this, but I feel Mewtwo was the only Pokemon themed character that fit it nicely for the smash world.
Everything else was from meh to no.
Also, it really sucks how Waluigi and Daisy are always being neglected.
What's worse is that Waluigi at least made it in as an A.T., but then once more Daisy remains a collectible (Trophy/Sticker) which is of no real value just as most people consider the two.
Yeah, they didn't pick really good pokemon to use. I mean, Pikachu is a given. But Jigglypuff? And
Pichu?! Yeah, there are hundreds of Pokemon, even, that would be better in the game. Oh, and Lucario wasn't even good. Disappointment with their pokemon selection. Thanks for bringing that up. I don't mind having a bunch of Pokemon as fighters, but they have to be GOOD ones :|
Hmmm. For some strange reason my post vanished.
Not sure how it happened, but I'll repost it.
Pokemon had far too many reps in the entire Smash series.
And most of them were only added in due to high popularity.
I'll be honest when I say this, but I feel Mewtwo was the only Pokemon themed character that fit it nicely for the smash world.
Everything else was from meh to no.
Also, it really sucks how Waluigi and Daisy are always being neglected.
What's worse is that Waluigi at least made it in as an A.T., but then once more Daisy remains a
collectible (Trophy/Sticker) which is of no real value just as most people consider the two.
Also, can we please have the "real" Target Test and Board the Platforms return.
Not only was Brawl's Break the Targets repetitive, but it also had the worst music of the three games.
It sounded far too cartoony, and I'd take SSB and SSBM's Target music over Brawls any day.
I liked how each character had their own exclusive Target Test stages, and am very clueless why they would go so far to switch it to "sharing".
Very terrible idea.
Quote from: Kayo on July 09, 2011, 06:48:21 PM
Yeah, they didn't pick really good pokemon to use. I mean, Pikachu is a given. But Jigglypuff? And Pichu?! Yeah, there are hundreds of Pokemon, even, that would be better in the game. Oh, and Lucario wasn't even good. Disappointment with their pokemon selection. Thanks for bringing that up. I don't mind having a bunch of Pokemon as fighters, but they have to be GOOD ones :|
Pikachu was an exception, and I can understand why they would put it in.
But everything else (minus Mewtwo) were just very poor choices.
Even Blaziken or Infernape would be a decent option.
Lucario was a blatant ripoff of Mewtwo, and therefore should have never even been considered for a replacement.
Not only do they have to be GOOD, but they also need to FIT IN.
Jigglypuff is one of the primary examples that does not fit in either category.
QuoteOh, and Lucario wasn't even good.
clearly some of us didn't play the game
Quote from: FruitFlow on July 09, 2011, 07:04:13 PM
Hmmm. For some strange reason my post vanished.
Not sure how it happened, but I'll repost it.
Pokemon had far too many reps in the entire Smash series.
And most of them were only added in due to high popularity.
I'll be honest when I say this, but I feel Mewtwo was the only Pokemon themed character that fit it nicely for the smash world.
Everything else was from meh to no.
Also, it really sucks how Waluigi and Daisy are always being neglected.
What's worse is that Waluigi at least made it in as an A.T., but then once more Daisy remains a collectible (Trophy/Sticker) which is of no real value just as most people consider the two.
Also, can we please have the "real" Target Test and Board the Platforms return.
Not only was Brawl's Break the Targets repetitive, but it also had the worst music of the three games.
It sounded far too cartoony, and I'd take SSB and SSBM's Target music over Brawls any day.
I liked how each character had their own exclusive Target Test stages, and am very clueless why they would go so far to switch it to "sharing".
Very terrible idea.
Pikachu was an exception, and I can understand why they would put it in.
But everything else (minus Mewtwo) were just very poor choices.
Even Blaziken or Infernape would be a decent option.
Lucario was a blatant ripoff of Mewtwo, and therefore should have never even been considered for a replacement.
Not only do they have to be GOOD, but they also need to FIT IN.
Jigglypuff is one of the primary examples that does not fit in either category.
I'm not a big fan of Infernape, but hell I'd prefer it to most of what we've got. Let's see... looking at Gen V...
If they put Scrafty in I would main him. No way they're going to, but that thing is so badass. They're probably going to put in Zoroark (:|) or something like that. I'd like to see Machamp or something like that. Charizard was pretty good, too. Whenever i used Pokemon Trainer in Brawl I'd usually switch to Charizard.
Blaziken's cool. Yeah basically the best Pokemon to use are probably Fighting-type Pokemon, since the "fighting" style fits better as a general rule, though there can be a lot of exceptions. I'll have to think harder about what Pokemon I'd actually like to see in the next Smash game.
EDIT: Oh god this post looks terrible I'm so tired and I'm too lazy to fix anything
you're all so stupid that you should enter a stupid contest where the majority of the pageantry is figuring out if stupidest gets first or last
Sorry, bear, but your posts don't relate to the topic so they're pretty much being ignored.
Pokemon being selected for popularity/importance to the franchise makes perfect sense. They're not just going to throw in a random bipedal Pokemon because that's easier to program and looks more humanoid; they're going to choose Pokemon that actually serve to represent the franchise, just like how EVERY OTHER CHARACTER IN SMASH BROS is chosen because they best serve to promote their franchise. Geno's a better fighter than Mario, Samurai Goroh actually wields a weapon while Captain Falcon's moveset was completely made up, and Knuckle Joe is built to fight while Kirby is a gluttonous child, but it's all about representation and advertising.
In fact, if you take a more detailed look, every Smash Bros Pokemon has specifically reflected the anime, which makes sense considering that the anime has always determined which Pokemon are more popular (notice that Pikachu has become the mascot of the games, despite being relatively unimportant in the original Red, Green, and Blue):
Pikachu made it because he was Ash's main Pokemon
Jigglypuff made it because she was a running gag on the show that was especially big in Japan
Pichu made it in because of the Pichu Brothers
Mewtwo made it in because he was the villain of the first movie
Lucario made it in because he had become wildly popular after being introduced pre-game in his own movie
Even in the one time they focused on the GAMES, it was with Pokemon Trainer, since having Red use all three original starters reflects what the original game was really about and thus best represents the franchise; however, even THAT was not safe from the influence of the anime:
They needed a final form, and Ash's Charizard was the most popoular
They needed a first-form, and Ash's Squirtle was the most popular
Ivysaur was what was left over
Would I like my personal favorite Pokemon from my personal Black Version to be playable? Yes. Am I going to complain that the most popular Pokemon were chosen instead of the ones I thought would look cool? No.
Quote from: MooglePlayerChris on July 10, 2011, 08:37:42 AM
Sorry, bear, but your posts don't relate to the topic so they're pretty much being ignored.
Protip: You aren't ignoring Bear very well.
Neerb, thanks.
Bear's right, the rest of you, minus Custom, are intercourse ing retarded. Nothing's new.
Quote from: Neerb on July 10, 2011, 12:38:09 PM
the original Red, Green, and Blue
You mean yellow. :P
After playing through the game again since I just got a Wii again, I gotta say that I have a few things I'd like them to fix. Some have already been said, but I'll just repeat.
First of all, nobody f*cking likes Jigglypuff. She's the poopty annoying version of Kirby and has been irrelevant since before I turned 8. Please drop her from the game. /rant
Secondly, they really really really need to bring back the different break the targets for each character. Board the platforms would be a nice extra too, but with all the little trophies and poop they have that you have to play the SAME EXACT break the targets with every character makes it extremely boring and repetitive. Just sayin.
I dunno about replacing Subspace Emissary with Adventure mode, but I would definitely love if they would do Adventure Mode again. Maybe do Subspace Emissary, but don't make it so the characters are all meeting and stuff...just make it kind of like they did in Adventure, where each character has their own little separate story or something.
They really gotta replace Lucario with Mewtwo again. Mewtwo was just so much better. (Still not my favorite, but Lucario was a stupid addition.)
I think that it'd be really cool if they also added in something where you can edit the colors of each characters parts, like Mario's hat and shoes and pants and everything. (Kind of like you can play different styles of each character...but It'd be cool if you could edit it and do whatever you want to it.)
Also, for creating stages, it'd be cool if you could edit the background by putting your own pictures or making your own design for the background.
Just a few ideas. I had more another day but I forgot. Thoughts?
Quote from: Bearissoslow on July 09, 2011, 02:31:18 AM
okay let's be honest and not hide behind the thousands of facades that you do: do you know what the term "martial-arts" means because if you say yes you clearly are lying to me
Whatever you're trying to say, it's not working. I'll explain myself in a different way.
Think of the "generic martial arts tournament" as any tournament that involves fighting.
Quote from: Custom on July 09, 2011, 06:15:45 AM
i'd really love to see miis disappear and never be mentioned or put in another game again
that would be a character i would like to see
no pokemon
no more starfox characters
a boo would suck, you can't look at it
a koopa would suck, it's a standard enemy, not a character
animal crossing characters wtf are you smoking
Who would be a character you'd like to see? Or am I missing the sarcasm?
In any case, you could obviously still look at a Boo; you can in many other games, so of course you could in an
SSB game. A Koopa character would easily take the place of a normal Koopa seeing as there are a good number to fill that role. Animal Crossing characters were already speculated to be in
SSBB in the form of wire frames, but are obviously not playable. I merely suggested that they become playable since they're technically already in the series. With an axe, a slingshot, a shovel, some fruit, and a fishing rod, I'm sure that something would work out.
Quote from: Bearissoslow on July 10, 2011, 05:10:35 AM
you're all so stupid that you should enter a stupid contest where the majority of the pageantry is figuring out if stupidest gets first or last
This is actually the first legitimately funny thing you've ever said. And yet it's still an insult.
To clarify my stance on adding more playable Pokémon to the next
SSB title, I don't just want more Pokémon, I want better Pokémon. For instance, the aforementioned Scizor, Gengar, and Machamp, but also Alakazam, Darkrai, and Nidoking. The other starters (possibly made as different colors for the Pokémon Trainer) such as Blaziken and Infernape would be great for the game too.
However, I do agree that Lucario wasn't a replacement for Mewtwo. If they're going to keep clone characters in the series, they might as well keep both of these. Honestly, I liked using Lucario and thought that he was a decent character. It's just that he shouldn't have taken Mewtwo's place.
Also, since I know you guys won't be able to resist responding to this: I happen to like using Jigglypuff and think that she should stay.
[spoiler]Cue the insults.[/spoiler]
Quote from: Ron on July 12, 2011, 09:36:23 PM
You mean yellow. :P
No, Green. When the first three Japanese games came out, they were Red and Green with special version Blue. America just got the better Blue, which was duplicated to also have American Red.
At any rate, by the time of Yellow the anime had already clearly influenced the games with Pikachu now being an important character. However, for the first three games, Red Green and Blue, Pikachu was just as unimportant as any other Pokemon.
Quote from: Neerb on July 13, 2011, 06:40:37 AM
No, Green. When the first three Japanese games came out, they were Red and Green with special version Blue. America just got the better Blue, which was duplicated to also have American Red.
At any rate, by the time of Yellow the anime had already clearly influenced the games with Pikachu now being an important character. However, for the first three games, Red Green and Blue, Pikachu was just as unimportant as any other Pokemon.
Okay, but who played Green honestly?
Quote from: Ron on July 13, 2011, 07:35:51 AM
Okay, but who played Green honestly?
Everyone in Japan.
Also, many of us played the remake.
Quote from: Neerb on July 13, 2011, 07:51:43 AM
Everyone in Japan.
Also, many of us played the remake.
I meant here. when I think the 3 originals, I think Red Blue and Yellow honestly. Because that's what the US got.
btw, I dunno if anyone mentioned it (or If I did), but I think both Rayman and Mega Man are strong contenders for the next game.
Quote from: Ron on July 13, 2011, 08:27:07 AM
I meant here. when I think the 3 originals, I think Red Blue and Yellow honestly. Because that's what the US got.
btw, I dunno if anyone mentioned it (or If I did), but I think both Rayman and Mega Man are strong contenders for the next game.
They have enough costume design possibilities for MM (such as the original, NT Warrior, Star Force, etc etc.) so I think that is a pretty high possibility.
Hmm, I don't know. Which one do people like the most? Classic Megaman or X?
I personally like X more. But Megaman is still going, it gets sequels still. Capcom obviously likes Classic MM over X.
I would like X to be in the game, but I'm pretty sure regular Megaman is getting the spot (if any Capcom character gets in)
Quote from: Ron on July 13, 2011, 08:27:07 AM
I meant here. when I think the 3 originals, I think Red Blue and Yellow honestly. Because that's what the US got.
btw, I dunno if anyone mentioned it (or If I did), but I think both Rayman and Mega Man are strong contenders for the next game.
I've thought about the addition of Mega Man is
SSB before; he'd be good, although maybe not as easy to include as first-party characters.
And you reminded me of Rayman too. He'd be awesome. I just hope that they won't overpower his flying/hovering abilities.
Hey RX
Protip: the reason a Boo would be intercourse ing stupid is because its Smash Bros, not.intercourse ing.Mario.Party.
You'd think that after all these years, Nintendo fans would get it through their skulls that a character needs a decent amount of significance to land a spot on a fighting game roster. It's the same reason AC characters outside of Nook don't have the slightest chance of landing a spot.
Again, this is 2007 all over again.
a boo sucks as a character because you can't intercourse ing look at them.
What can a Boo do anyway? They're not known for much other than moving slowly.... only when your backs are turned. What abilities could one possibly have?
Characters that need to be in:
No generic enemies. Boos and Koopas are out. That poop would be retarded.
Tom Nook, Resetti, or Boy/Girl. Why?
A) They've got all kinds of tools and weapons they can use.
B) They had an emblem in Brawl and didn't get a representative. They were the only one that happened to.
Resetti was originally out because he had no legs. The Wii AC gave him legs.
I can imagine a bunch of moves though.
-Axe weapon - B side
-Fishing Pole recovery - B Up
-Slingshot ranged weapon - B standard
-Bug net grab
-Shovel down-b (Dig up Gyroids/Fossils/Furniture/Pitfalls, like Peach pulls turnips)
If Resetti, he also gets his Pick-Axe.
Quote from: Riddler21 on July 19, 2011, 01:05:54 PM
Characters that need to be in:
No generic enemies. Boos and Koopas are out. That poop would be retarded.
Tom Nook, Resetti, or Boy/Girl. Why?
A) They've got all kinds of tools and weapons they can use.
B) They had an emblem in Brawl and didn't get a representative. They were the only one that happened to.
Resetti was originally out because he had no legs. The Wii AC gave him legs.
I can imagine a bunch of moves though.
-Axe weapon - B side
-Fishing Pole recovery - B Up
-Slingshot ranged weapon - B standard
-Bug net grab
-Shovel down-b (Dig up Gyroids/Fossils/Furniture/Pitfalls, like Peach pulls turnips)
If Resetti, he also gets his Pick-Axe.
I agree with you completely on the basic enemies thing. I mean, it's completely understandable that big bosses like Bowser are in there, of course. But like, what the intercourse would a Goomba do? It's not an important character. This brings me back to Jigglypuff but whatever.
Quote from: Kayo on July 19, 2011, 01:10:26 PM
I agree with you completely on the basic enemies thing. I mean, it's completely understandable that big bosses like Bowser are in there, of course. But like, what the intercourse would a Goomba do? It's not an important character. This brings me back to Jigglypuff but whatever.
Jigglypuff was put in to cater to the fans. Jiggs was relatively important in the anime for a while.
Resetti isn't intercourse ing significant. Boy/Girl is generic. Nook is the only AC character with any remote amount of significance. You can give a god darn STICK a moveset, you know this yes?
I'm not even sure why any of you want an Animal Crossing character in to begin with.
2007.All.Over.Again.
Quote from: Riddler21 on July 19, 2011, 01:20:28 PM
Jigglypuff was put in to cater to the fans. Jiggs was relatively important in the anime for a while.
I still didn't find it important enough. I guess it's because it's a poor fighter anyway. In my eyes, since it wasn't a great fighter, it would have to be of Pikachu-level importance to win me over.
I could understand more if they had put even a Fighting-type Pokemon in from the beginning, or if not that, at least something that can fight. Jigglypuff doesn't have enough, and not even the "relative importance" gave it enough to seem like a worthy addition to the character list.
Quote from: Zero on July 19, 2011, 02:46:14 PM
Resetti isn't intercourse ing significant. Boy/Girl is generic. Nook is the only AC character with any remote amount of significance. You can give a god darn STICK a moveset, you know this yes?
I'm not even sure why any of you want an Animal Crossing character in to begin with.
2007.All.Over.Again.
Boy/Girl are generic, but they're the main character. It'd also be unique in it's ability to change Gender instead of just costumes. (Would be like a Wario swap.)
Quote from: Riddler21 on July 19, 2011, 10:12:12 PM
Boy/Girl are generic, but they're the main character. It'd also be unique in it's ability to change Gender instead of just costumes. (Would be like a Wario swap.)
But what could they do that's special?
Animal Crossing is a bad series that doesn't deserve more than a stage
Nook'd just be a glorified Link from a bad game. zzzzzzz
Isaac from Golden Sun.
How about Django and Sabata from Boktai?
Quote from: Tahrann on July 20, 2011, 11:45:09 AM
How about Django and Sabata from Boktai?
get the intercourse out of here with your cock sucking lips that were made for Kojima's only
Any other characters you guys think should be taken out of the roster?
The only character I think should be removed from the roster is Lucario, as he must make way for a new Poke-pop-culture icon (we'll probably be in 6th gen by the time this comes out, anyway). However, I really think Ganondorf should get his moveset changed up a bit so that he has his sword and maybe some more magic; I can deal with all the Star Fox characters being Luigified clones of each other, but when a potential-filled character like Ganondorf copies a "we made his set up on the spot" character like Captain Falcon, that's obnoxious.
Also, change certain Final Smashes so that they're actually creative and relevant to the series. And by that, I mean EVERY MARIO-RELATED CHARACTER except Donkey Kong, Wario, and maybe Mario. Honestly, Yoshi, Peach, & Luigi's come out of practically nowhere, Diddy Kong's is just plain lazy, and Bowser's is a reference to Smash instead of his own series. Heck, that was my biggest problem with Brawl: too many original, self-contained things and not enough Nintendo-themed crossover things. Give me Mushroom Kingdom and individual target tests, not Trophy Planet and boring repetitive missions.
Quote from: Neerb on July 21, 2011, 02:35:10 PM
The only character I think should be removed from the roster is Lucario, as he must make way for a new Poke-pop-culture icon (we'll probably be in 6th gen by the time this comes out, anyway). However, I really think Ganondorf should get his moveset changed up a bit so that he has his sword and maybe some more magic; I can deal with all the Star Fox characters being Luigified clones of each other, but when a potential-filled character like Ganondorf copies a "we made his set up on the spot" character like Captain Falcon, that's obnoxious.
Also, change certain Final Smashes so that they're actually creative and relevant to the series. And by that, I mean EVERY MARIO-RELATED CHARACTER except Donkey Kong, Wario, and maybe Mario. Honestly, Yoshi, Peach, & Luigi's come out of practically nowhere, Diddy Kong's is just plain lazy, and Bowser's is a reference to Smash instead of his own series. Heck, that was my biggest problem with Brawl: too many original, self-contained things and not enough Nintendo-themed crossover things. Give me Mushroom Kingdom and individual target tests, not Trophy Planet and boring repetitive missions.
Yoshi's Final Smash is based on everything from SMW. Luigi's was something creative by the Brawl team, and I like the idea behind it. Bowser's is fine as it is.
Quote from: Neerb on July 21, 2011, 02:35:10 PM
The only character I think should be removed from the roster is Lucario, as he must make way for a new Poke-pop-culture icon (we'll probably be in 6th gen by the time this comes out, anyway). However, I really think Ganondorf should get his moveset changed up a bit so that he has his sword and maybe some more magic; I can deal with all the Star Fox characters being Luigified clones of each other, but when a potential-filled character like Ganondorf copies a "we made his set up on the spot" character like Captain Falcon, that's obnoxious.
Also, change certain Final Smashes so that they're actually creative and relevant to the series. And by that, I mean EVERY MARIO-RELATED CHARACTER except Donkey Kong, Wario, and maybe Mario. Honestly, Yoshi, Peach, & Luigi's come out of practically nowhere, Diddy Kong's is just plain lazy, and Bowser's is a reference to Smash instead of his own series. Heck, that was my biggest problem with Brawl: too many original, self-contained things and not enough Nintendo-themed crossover things. Give me Mushroom Kingdom and individual target tests, not Trophy Planet and boring repetitive missions.
Pokemon Gen VI isn't coming to the USA until 2015, since the traditional four-year pattern will more than likely be kept.
As for the final smashes, let's see YOU think of anything better.
Quote from: Kayo on July 21, 2011, 08:24:36 PM
Pokemon Gen VI isn't coming to the USA until 2015, since the traditional four-year pattern will more than likely be kept.
As for the final smashes, let's see YOU think of anything better.
Let Falco ride the air.
Quote from: MooglePlayerChris on July 21, 2011, 08:26:21 PM
Let Falco ride the air.
I was talking Luigi, Bowser, Peach, etc. like he brought up.
I like Diddy's, I don't see anything wrong with his. I also can't think of a single other thing he could do besides guitar, which would be a copy of Donkey's.
Peach can maybe get something from the Super Princess Peach game? I don't know much about it, but I think something could work.
Luigi's can be similar to Ganondorf/Zelda/Sheik's in what it does. He gets on the Polturgust (Like in M&L: SS during some E. Gadd coffee drink) and ram into the opponents in the way, almost guarantee kill. It's an idea.
Bowser... I dunno, I have an idea, but I don't like it myself. Maybe turn into Super Bowser form M&L: BIS, then do something like Snake? (Aim at the screen and punch the poop out of whatever the aim thing aims at)
And what else can Yoshi do? I like his too, but I thought I'd think of an idea. Maybe... Everyone turns into eggs, and Yoshi can run up to the egg and throw them where ever the hell he wants? (You would have to use it strategically, as some spots it's hard to throw them off stage). Also a time limit, kinda like Peach's current FS where you can eventually wake up.
Luigi: Boos appear and start floating around the stage, attacking all players except Luigi
Peach: gets a random power from her SPP game; Gloom makes her run faster and jump higher while damaging anyone you run into, Rage makes enemies explode into flames (damages them, not Peach), Joy makes a cyclone that spins enemies around and throws them in random directions around the stages, and Calm creates a bubble that heals Peach constantly until someone hits her (although she can hit others).
Bowser: hops into the clown car to fly around the stages, throwing bob-ombs and Spinys (it's manually controlled).
Diddy: plays his guitar from DK64; works like DK's bongos, but it makes two smaller shockwaves next to each other instead of one big one in the center.
Peach's sounds complicated, and Diddy's is a DK copy, but those are just examples; the point is, it could work. They don't need to make up random stuff unless the character LITERALLY has nothing else to do, ala Captain Falcon in the first game. Even an aesthetic change would have been nice, like Luigi's having the exact same effect but with ghosts instead of an "incantation opening up the negative zone."
You dislike Giga Bowser?
Quote from: Neerb on July 22, 2011, 12:40:38 PM
Luigi: Boos appear and start floating around the stage, attacking all players except Luigi
Peach: gets a random power from her SPP game; Gloom makes her run faster and jump higher while damaging anyone you run into, Rage makes enemies explode into flames (damages them, not Peach), Joy makes a cyclone that spins enemies around and throws them in random directions around the stages, and Calm creates a bubble that heals Peach constantly until someone hits her (although she can hit others).
Bowser: hops into the clown car to fly around the stages, throwing bob-ombs and Spinys (it's manually controlled).
Diddy: plays his guitar from DK64; works like DK's bongos, but it makes two smaller shockwaves next to each other instead of one big one in the center.
Peach's sounds complicated, and Diddy's is a DK copy, but those are just examples; the point is, it could work. They don't need to make up random stuff unless the character LITERALLY has nothing else to do, ala Captain Falcon in the first game. Even an aesthetic change would have been nice, like Luigi's having the exact same effect but with ghosts instead of an "incantation opening up the negative zone."
Diddy doesn't need to change. His Jetpack and Peanut Poppers are based on DK64.
Luigi's makes no sense. He doesn't control Boos.
Peach's needs to be one thing, not a random thing between four.
Bowser's is aight.
Or you can be like me and my friend and turn off smash balls in the item selection for good old fashioned fighting.
As far as final smashes go, the only one that REALLY annoys me is the three landmasters. C'mon, that was just total laziness on Sakurai's part. Most of the others are more or less ok for me, although I few could be changed to better suit what they do in game (Peach, DDD, etc.).
Now as far as characters go, it's really impossible to say who will be in the game, at least until we get a trailer of some kind. Although I'm betting that big sword guy from Kid Icarus will probably get in since Sakurai is making that game, and he seems to have a fairly major role in it. But we'll see.
Characters who should go in my opinion:
Young/Toon Link: I know I'm going to get a lot of hate for this, but I never understood the point of having both young and old link. Yes, I know they play differently but still, it bugs me. Maybe if they differentiated Toon Link a bit more I'd be ok with it.
ROB: FUCK rob. He has no business being in smash, he's not popular, the two games you used him in suck, and so many other characters (even classic ones) could be in here. And if you do remember Rob at all, you hate him since the games sucked and he was a lousy peripheral. It'd be like making the Virtual Boy an item or something...no one wants to remember those days.
Wolf: A clone of a clone (sort of), and until the Star Fox games get good without relying on the 64 crutch, they don't deserve three reps. Oh, and a third landmaster? Jut ugh. Leave it to Fox and Falco please. We really don't need anymore.
Pokemon Trainer: Another lousy excuse to put more pokemon in the game. And I'm a Gen 1 diehard. Look, I like pokemon, but they really don't need this many reps since almost all can fit. Changing between three was just annoying and again, more roster spots taken.
Jigglypuff: Outlived her usefulness. I know she's still "popular" but ugh. She just always seemed like a worse version of Kirby to me. *shrugs*
Lucario: For fifth (or sixth) generation rep. The only pokemon that should be in game are Pikachu, Mewtwo, and a current gen rep.
Lucas: For continuing to rub in western faces that Mother 3 will never leave Japan...and reminding us that Nintendo does in fact hate America and doesn't want us to have any RPG's.
Short list of who I'd want: Samurai Goroh, Isaac (Golden Sun), a Metroid rep (not another Samus schtick), A third FE rep...not sure who, A mother rep from the game everyone actually got (Mother 2), Victini (hey, it could work for fifth gen) and most of all a nerfed as intercourse metaknight. Third parties I'd be happy with: Megaman (despite Capcom hating him themselves now), Bomberman, or Travis Touchdown. :P
So yeah. Just my thoughts. Agree or disagree, it's fine.
Quote from: Nayrman on July 22, 2011, 03:36:26 PM
Characters who should go in my opinion:
Young/Toon Link: I know I'm going to get a lot of hate for this, but I never understood the point of having both young and old link. Yes, I know they play differently but still, it bugs me. Maybe if they differentiated Toon Link a bit more I'd be ok with it.
Indifference.
QuoteROB: FUCK rob. He has no business being in smash, he's not popular, the two games you used him in suck, and so many other characters (even classic ones) could be in here. And if you do remember Rob at all, you hate him since the games sucked and he was a lousy peripheral. It'd be like making the Virtual Boy an item or something...no one wants to remember those days.
Don't hate so much. Don't care about his past, he's...okay to use. Really not great, but not as bad as some others.
QuoteWolf: A clone of a clone (sort of), and until the Star Fox games get good without relying on the 64 crutch, they don't deserve three reps. Oh, and a third landmaster? Jut ugh. Leave it to Fox and Falco please. We really don't need anymore.
Agreed.
QuotePokemon Trainer: Another lousy excuse to put more pokemon in the game. And I'm a Gen 1 diehard. Look, I like pokemon, but they really don't need this many reps since almost all can fit. Changing between three was just annoying and again, more roster spots taken.
Disagree. It was because Red deserved enough to be put into the game, but he couldn't do poop by himself. SO HE USES HIS POKEMON. I really actually liked this one.
QuoteJigglypuff: Outlived her usefulness. I know she's still "popular" but ugh. She just always seemed like a worse version of Kirby to me. *shrugs*
I couldn't agree more.
QuoteLucario: For fifth (or sixth) generation rep. The only pokemon that should be in game are Pikachu, Mewtwo, and a current gen rep.
Lucario wasn't even deserving in Brawl. Yeah I know there was a movie made about him and stuff, but he's just not that good. And he wasn't good in Brawl either. Get him out.
QuoteLucas: For continuing to rub in western faces that Mother 3 will never leave Japan...and reminding us that Nintendo does in fact hate America and doesn't want us to have any RPG's.
Ness is quite enough. We don't need Lucas. (Agreed).
Quote from: Kayo on July 22, 2011, 03:25:36 PM
Or you can be like me and my friend and turn off smash balls in the item selection for good old fashioned fighting.
Yeah I love buying games so I can turn off all the fun features.
Quote from: Riddler21 on July 22, 2011, 04:04:01 PM
Yeah I love buying games so I can turn off all the fun features.
Item selection = feature, which full advantage is taken of.
Quote from: Nayrman on July 22, 2011, 03:36:26 PM
Young/Toon Link - Young/Toon Link is fine to keep in. They're different characters, albeit with the same name. Toon Link would probably stay over Young Link now that he's more relevant.
ROB: FUCK rob - Fuck you.
Wolf: >Doesn't deserve 3 reps. You're intercourse ing high. Only complaint is they should have given him a different Smash.
Pokemon Trainer: -Best Pokemon idea ever after Pikachu. Don't be hating.
Jigglypuff: Smash veteran. Can't be taken out.
Lucario: -Will Be replaced by the next gen. Stop complaining.
Lucas: - It's primarily a Japanese game. Unless you want them removing characters when they translate it to American, stop whining.
Short list of who I'd want:
Samurai Goroh - Fine as an Assist
Isaac - Agreed
A Metroid rep - If you say Ridley I'll smack you in the face. No one else is worth the effort.
A third FE rep... I agree, but think you're hypocritical thinking Star Fox doesn't deserve a third rep.
A mother 2 rep - It's fine how it is. Let's get one from Mother 1 for the full set.
Victini - All credibility lost.
Quote from: Riddler21 on July 22, 2011, 04:35:34 PM
I don't care what you say about Jigglypuff being a "Smash veteran" and being "popular for some time", it still sucks and doesn't belong on the roster.
If you want Lucas gone, Marth should go too, as he was a Japanese only character as well if I'm not mistaken.
Young/Toon - Toon is good, just make him different. If he looks the same, make his moveset different. There's no point in having 2 characters who look the same, be the same. Otherwise, just don't put them both in.
R.O.B. - I kinda like that he's in, he's almost a Smash-only character (except not [MKDS and possibly more I don't remember]). Just make his FS less lame.
Wolf (and Falco) - Change their movesets a bit more. Sure there are differences, but they basically do the same things. AND their FS. There's little logic in Falco driving a Landmaster, and even less logic with Wolf. Keep them in though.
P. Trainer - Could live without him, but I like him.
Jigglypuff - Will forever be in so no point in complaining.
Lucario - Unique in his stronger when hurt more, but will most likely be gone anyway. Could live without him, but I like him.
Lucas - Could live without him.
Goroh - SureYNot
Isaac - IDK, never played
Metroid - Ridley could work, but I doubt it will happen. I don't think there's really anything else that would work at all.
FE - I barely played so IDK.
Mother - Never played so IDC.
Victini - The idea is bad and you should feel bad.
Quote from: JrDude 益 on July 22, 2011, 11:15:47 PM
If you want Lucas gone, Marth should go too, as he was a Japanese only character as well if I'm not mistaken.
This is no longer the case.
Young/Toon - Agreed
R.O.B - I enjoy how this character plays so it'd be a shame to see him go. Won't care in the long run though.
Wolf/Falco - They play differently enough from Fox to where I don't mind them, but Wolf is still "lol" to say the least.
P.Trainer - Keep him. He's the only Pokemon rep thats actually stands out.
Jiggs - She isn't relevant nowadays but chances are she isn't going anywhere.
Lucario - A fun to play character, indifferent towards his removal.
Goroh - No. Captain Falcon is the only F-Zero character worth a poop. Why would ANYONE want Goroh as a playable character?
Isaac - I can see Isaac being a pretty interesting character. We're already getting up there with sword-wielders though.
Ridley - lol "he's in the clouds". Yeah, nah. It'd be awkward having a Bowser-sized Ridley and we all know it. Tail is also incredibly long and poses some hitbox issues. Devs would have to find a way around it.
Fire Emblem Characters - Yeah. No. Why people constantly want more Fire Emblem characters is beyond me. Most are incredibly generic and hold no significance at all. Keep Marth and Ike, maybe add Roy back in and change his move set to make him unique. Other than that I really see no real reason to add more Fire Emblem characters. Hector would be acceptable, I suppose. Lyn would just be another Marth. There are only so many things you can do with swordsmen that lack powers ans poop, people. Whether Smash Bros is a sausage-fest or not is irrelevant.
Mother - Wait you want MOAR Mother characters? What the intercourse ? Why? The series sucks ass and sold like absolute poop. Ness and Lucas are fine and actually fun to play as, who would you add that a good amount of people would recognize? Poo? A character from the first poopty game? Yeah no. None of these characters hold any real significance outside of Ness and Lucas. We have our Mother reps. Wanting more is just ridiculous.
Victini - I honestly didn't think of this pokemon when thinking of pokemon that they'd throw in. At least it'd be better than Pichu.
I want Toon Link to get a completely different move set than Link; there have been tons of different Links throughout the series with absolutely colossal potential in terms of their various items and powers. It's not like the Star Fox characters where they don't even have that many distinguishing abilities; Toon Link could be a unique character.
As for new characters I want in...
-Geno, who, despite his unimportance, is probably the one character I could see getting in based solely on fan support
-Lucario replacement... not sure who... probably Victini or Zoroark
-Mewtwo. I know, I know "too many Pokemon reps," but I really liked Mewtwo in Melee and he has serious significance in his series. In fact, I'd rather have him replace Lucario than a 5th gen Pokemon.
-Dark Samus, as long as it's not a Samus clone... which I admit would be ironic
-Ray 01 or MKIII, for crying out loud he should have already been in this game
-Tom Nook
-Matt, the trainer Mii from the Wii Sports series. Whether we like it or not, Mii is a big part of Nintendo, and I think a rep with Sports and Play themed moves could be cool.
-Knuckles or Shadow, if 3rd parties are granted two reps
-Mega Man
-a Ubisoft rep... I'd prefer Rayman, but the Prince or Travis Touchdown would be good too
Can't really think of any more right now; that is, I can't think of any more that have a believable chance of getting in that I actually want to get in. Unrealistically, I'd add Umbreon & Espeon as an Ice Climber-like duo as the Lucario replacement, Bowser Jr, Krystal, Sora, and probably some others.
Quote from: Zero on July 23, 2011, 12:12:19 AM
Ridley - lol "he's in the clouds". Yeah, nah. It'd be awkward having a Bowser-sized Ridley and we all know it. Tail is also incredibly long and poses some hitbox issues. Devs would have to find a way around it. - THANK YOU.
Fire Emblem Characters - Yeah. No. - Well, I for one would axe Ike in favor of either Ephraim, Eirika/Lyn or Hector. A Spear user, female sword user, or an Axe user would be awesome.
Mother - Wait you want MOAR Mother characters? What the intercourse ? Why? The series sucks ass and sold like absolute poop. Ness and Lucas are fine and actually fun to play as, who would you add that a good amount of people would recognize? Poo? A character from the first poopty game? Yeah no. None of these characters hold any real significance outside of Ness and Lucas. We have our Mother reps. Wanting more is just ridiculous. - Why not a Mother 1 character? :3
Victini - I honestly didn't think of this pokemon when thinking of pokemon that they'd throw in. At least it'd be better than Pichu. - NO.
Quote from: Neerb on July 23, 2011, 09:06:19 AM
I want Toon Link to get a completely different move set than Link; there have been tons of different Links throughout the series with absolutely colossal potential in terms of their various items and powers. It's not like the Star Fox characters where they don't even have that many distinguishing abilities; Toon Link could be a unique character.
As for new characters I want in...
-Geno, who, despite his unimportance, is probably the one character I could see getting in based solely on fan support - Square won't give him up. Would love it though.
-Lucario replacement... not sure who... probably Victini - NO. or Zoroark- This is the more likely to happen. But meh.
-Mewtwo. I know, I know "too many Pokemon reps," but I really liked Mewtwo in Melee and he has serious significance in his series. In fact, I'd rather have him replace Lucario than a 5th gen Pokemon. He's not relevant anymore and has already been removed. They won't bring him back. D:
-Dark Samus, as long as it's not a Samus clone... which I admit would be ironic No.
-Ray 01 or MKIII, for crying out loud he should have already been in this game LOL CUSTOM ROBO
-Tom Nook Sure.
-Matt, the trainer Mii from the Wii Sports series. Whether we like it or not, Mii is a big part of Nintendo, and I think a rep with Sports and Play themed moves could be cool. NO.
-Knuckles or Shadow, if 3rd parties are granted two reps Tails first, plox. <3
-Mega Man Pewpewpew
-a Ubisoft rep... I'd prefer Rayman, but the Prince or Travis Touchdown would be good tooEnough third parties.
I think resizing Ridley would be possible since they did it with Olimar.
However, a small Ridley would look out of place. At least Olimar's model doesn't have issues to resize.
Quote from: Riddler21 on July 23, 2011, 12:42:08 PM
Custom Robo is fun, and it's had more games than Pikmin, the last of which is more recent than Pikmin. I'm shocked he was only an assist trophy in Brawl.
And why no Dark Samus? Prime was a massively popular series, and I can't think of any more relevant or practical Metroid characters.
Why not a Mother 1 character? Aight, easy enough.
-Not exactly the most popular NES RPG out there. It's the least popular of the 3 Mother games to boot.
-Characters are hardly relevant, unrecognizable to a vast majority of Smash fans. Would be appealing to an incredibly small niche.
-Ninten is essentially Ness in terms of design. Would require a reinvention, and even then, you know the devs would just base his play style off of Lucas/Ness. We should be used to this by now. By wanting Ninten you're basically asking for another Psuedo-clone.
-As for characters other than Ninten, I don't even remember any. Suggesting that a Mother 1 character other than Ninten would get in is laughable anyway.
Going for a "full set" is a cute idea and all, but there is really no point in having a full set of Mother characters. If it happens I'll poop a brick.
Quote from: MooglePlayerChris on July 23, 2011, 01:08:33 PM
I think resizing Ridley would be possible since they did it with Olimar.
However, a small Ridley would look out of place. At least Olimar's model doesn't have issues to resize.
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I'd actually rather they dump Jigglypuff for any Gen V Pokemon. Any at all. Even though I happen to hate some of them, it would still be something new and different. I can't think of anything that has enough significance so far though.
Too many Pokemon reps wouldn't be bad if they were good ones. They could have five GOOD ones and I'd be okay with it, to be totally honest.
Quote from: Kayo on July 23, 2011, 07:01:11 PM
I'd actually rather they dump Jigglypuff for any Gen V Pokemon. Any at all. Even though I happen to hate some of them, it would still be something new and different. I can't think of anything that has enough significance so far though.
Too many Pokemon reps wouldn't be bad if they were good ones. They could have five GOOD ones and I'd be okay with it, to be totally honest.
The problem is, you're defining "good" on your opinion. Not on who would best represent the series, not on who has been around since the first game, not on how good of fighters they are in Pokemon (not that that even applies in Smash anyway), not on what they can bring to the game, just on your opinion. Blaziken, Gallade, and other various bipedal characters that other Nintendo characters could easily take the place of are of no actual importance or relevance; Jigglypuff, on the other hand, is a very unique character (judging on actual moves and styles, not on how she looks like Kirby) who had significant relevance in the first game and has since become a staple of the series.
In fact, that's how I often think of her: as a Smash character, not a Pokemon character. She's as relevant to Smash Bros as Master Hand or Mario, even if she's not as relevant to Pokemon anymore. Sure, maybe it would have been nice for someone else to be in in the first place, but she's been here as long as any other character and it wouldn't be the same without her, like a Street Fighter II character that you never play as in SFIV.
Quote from: Neerb on July 23, 2011, 07:45:47 PM
The problem is, you're defining "good" on your opinion. Not on who would best represent the series, not on who has been around since the first game, not on how good of fighters they are in Pokemon (not that that even applies in Smash anyway), not on what they can bring to the game, just on your opinion. Blaziken, Gallade, and other various bipedal characters that other Nintendo characters could easily take the place of are of no actual importance or relevance; Jigglypuff, on the other hand, is a very unique character (judging on actual moves and styles, not on how she looks like Kirby) who had significant relevance in the first game and has since become a staple of the series.
In fact, that's how I often think of her: as a Smash character, not a Pokemon character. She's as relevant to Smash Bros as Master Hand or Mario, even if she's not as relevant to Pokemon anymore. Sure, maybe it would have been nice for someone else to be in in the first place, but she's been here as long as any other character and it wouldn't be the same without her, like a Street Fighter II character that you never play as in SFIV.
Except Jigglypuff can't do much of anything in Smash. And I wouldn't care one bit if she was gone at all. She's a weak and puffy Pokemon with no special abilities other than singing things to sleep, which doesn't help her do stuff in Smash battles. Pikachu is small and weak even, but at least it has electric abilities (I'm not talking about "popularity" here, mind you).
I don't care how popular she was, I don't see WHY they put her in Smash Bros. in the first place. It's like putting Red in without any Pokemon.
The ability to fight in your own game doesn't necessarily reflect your ability to fight in crossovers. In case you don't remember, Jigglypuff has a greater movepool in her games than many other Smash characters combined. Note that Fox, Falco, Wolf, Peach, Bowser, Captain Falcon, Ice Climbers, and many other characters had several moves made up for the game, while Jigglypuff's specials are all things she can actually do.
Popularity and ability to represent the series is LITERALLY the ONLY thing needed to get in a fighting crossover, or are you just as annoyed by Phoenix Wright getting into MvC3 as you are Jigglypuff getting into SSBB?
Jigglypuff works; she, like any other character, can do fine as long as the person controlling her is good enough, as displayed by the fact that she was S-TIER IN MELEE and has ALWAYS been higher than Link, who should supposedly be a great warrior.
Like I said in my first comment on the subject, if fighting prowess really took priority over representation, then almost every character would be replaced by a more obscure character from their series; Rawk Hawk and Dimentio would be in instead of Peach and Bowser, Knuckle Joe would be in instead of Dedede, Samurai Goroh would be in instead of Captain Falcon, Midna would be in instead of Zelda, General Scales would be in instead of Wolf, etc etc etc. You can't exempt Pokemon just because there are more characters to choose from.
Quote from: Neerb on July 23, 2011, 08:27:18 PM
The ability to fight in your own game doesn't necessarily reflect your ability to fight in crossovers. In case you don't remember, Jigglypuff has a greater movepool in her games than many other Smash characters combined. Note that Fox, Falco, Wolf, Peach, Bowser, Captain Falcon, Ice Climbers, and many other characters had several moves made up for the game, while Jigglypuff's specials are all things she can actually do.
Popularity and ability to represent the series is LITERALLY the ONLY thing needed to get in a fighting crossover, or are you just as annoyed by Phoenix Wright getting into MvC3 as you are Jigglypuff getting into SSBB?
Jigglypuff works; she, like any other character, can do fine as long as the person controlling her is good enough, as displayed by the fact that she was S-TIER IN MELEE and has ALWAYS been higher than Link, who should supposedly be a great warrior.
Like I said in my first comment on the subject, if fighting prowess really took priority over representation, then almost every character would be replaced by a more obscure character from their series; Rawk Hawk and Dimentio would be in instead of Peach and Bowser, Knuckle Joe would be in instead of Dedede, Samurai Goroh would be in instead of Captain Falcon, Midna would be in instead of Zelda, General Scales would be in instead of Wolf, etc etc etc. You can't exempt Pokemon just because there are more characters to choose from.
Why do I even bother arguing with you if you're not even talking about what I'm trying to bring up?
Quote from: Neerb on July 23, 2011, 08:27:18 PM
Phoenix Wright getting into MvC3
wait
wait
wait
wait
wait
WH-WHAT?!
WHAT DID I MISS?!
Quote from: Riddler21 on July 23, 2011, 09:59:58 PM
wait
wait
wait
wait
wait
WH-WHAT?!
WHAT DID I MISS?!
A lot, apparently. I've known about this for a while now.
My prediction: Arceus and Zeus from Hercules will be playable.
Quote from: Kayo on July 23, 2011, 07:53:32 PM
Except Jigglypuff can't do much of anything in Smash.
You clearly don't pay much attention to tier lists, do you? Outside of Brawl, Jiggs was always mid tier or higher in every single legitimate list. In Melee at one point she was in the top 3. In 64 she bounced around from A to B tier, ultimate landing in the C tier, but then again idr.
In Brawl, she sucks absolute ass in the NA version. The PAL version iirc, shes top. I haven't recently checked this out but she's in essence another, albeit weaker/slower MK. Her aerial control is fantastic in that version.
So yeah no. She can do poop. You just can't play her worth a poop.
Jigglypuff is a beast in the skies, but it's a shame the same can't be said for her ground play.
I will admit that she is indeed a fun character to fool around with, but I honestly don't care if she makes it in the 4th game or not.
Although, it's quite obvious that she won't be going anywhere.
Pikachu and Mewtwo are the only two truly significant characters I at least want to see.
Quote from: Neerb on July 23, 2011, 08:27:18 PM
while Jigglypuff's specials are all things she can actually do.
I don't recall Rest doing any damage in the actual games./sarcasm
Quote from: FruitFlow on July 24, 2011, 02:03:52 PM
Jigglypuff is a beast in the skies, but it's a shame the same can't be said for her ground play.
I will admit that she is indeed a fun character to fool around with, but I honestly don't care if she makes it in the 4th game or not.
Although, it's quite obvious that she won't be going anywhere.
Pikachu and Mewtwo are the only two truly significant characters I at least want to see.
I don't recall Rest doing any damage in the actual games./sarcasm
Actually, I do question why "Rest" does that; I think actually healing her would be a pretty interesting move, although perhaps that would make her too overpowered.
I think it's supposed to be funny.
You all know you laughed when you first heard about Rest doing THAT much damage and then tried it several times until you got it
Quote from: Nayrman on July 22, 2011, 03:36:26 PM
It'd be like making the Virtual Boy an item or something...no one wants to remember those days.
Hey, the Virtual Boy was fine.
Quote from: Nayrman on July 24, 2011, 06:04:36 PM
In what universe? Bizarro-land?
This one. Though staying in a comfortable position was a hard to do after a while. But it did have some fun games.
Except the Virtual Boy is considered to be the biggest flop in Nintendo history.
I didn't say it was super great, but it was fine. Though it did suck for Nintendo.
Quote from: Carved Out Sidewalks on July 24, 2011, 06:20:20 PM
I didn't say it was super great, but it was fine. Though it did suck for Nintendo.
For Nintendo, yes. It wasn't so much bad as every other single product ever made by Nintendo was hundreds of times better.
It was red and black. EVERYTHING WAS RED AND BLACK. It was eye-bleeding-inducing.
And yet, I really want them to rerelease some for the 3DS as downloads, just for the laughs.
Quote from: Neerb on July 24, 2011, 06:34:44 PM
It was red and black. EVERYTHING WAS RED AND BLACK. It was eye-bleeding-inducing.
And yet, I really want them to rerelease some for the 3DS as downloads, just for the laughs.
No.
Here's hoping for 3D Tetris.
Quote from: Neerb on July 24, 2011, 02:46:30 PM
Actually, I do question why "Rest" does that; I think actually healing her would be a pretty interesting move, although perhaps that would make her too overpowered.
That actually could have worked out.
Maybe 2-5% health could have been recovered per second.
But I really wouldn't consider something like that overpowered since you are pretty much leaving yourself vulnerable to attacks.
Quote from: FruitFlow on July 25, 2011, 04:39:13 PM
That actually could have worked out.
Maybe 2-5% health could have been recovered per second.
But I really wouldn't consider something like that overpowered since you are pretty much leaving yourself vulnerable to attacks.
Make it 10% per second then.
Remember how long a second is in fights.
Quote from: Carved Out Sidewalks on July 24, 2011, 06:42:24 PM
Here's hoping for 3D Tetris.
oh god a tetris stage
Take my money, Nintendo.
Quote from: Doodle on July 26, 2011, 05:18:12 AM
oh god a tetris stage
Take my money, Nintendo.
OH MY GOD
WANT
Quote from: Doodle on July 26, 2011, 05:18:12 AM
oh god a tetris stage
Take my money, Nintendo.
it should be just like the tetris stage in i wanna be the guy
"TETRIS STAGE?! YOU MEAN WITH MOVING BLOCKS AND SHIT?! THAT'S GAY. IT'D BE TOO RANDOM. NOTHING CAN BEAT FINAL DESTINATION. LET ME GUESS, YOU LIKE ITEMS AND FINAL SMASHES TOO?! HA HA HA"
Guarantee this would be a normal response.
I really want a stage where tetris blocks are constantly falling, making rows, etc. Basically no place you can stand is safe for longer than a few seconds.
So much want.
I could picture it as a Poke-floats-esque stage where it's constantly moving and you keep having to change platforms. Jump from block to block fighting, and if you're caught in a line being made, you get hurt badly.
Quote from: Riddler21 on July 26, 2011, 12:43:26 PM
I could picture it as a Poke-floats-esque stage where it's constantly moving and you keep having to change platforms. Jump from block to block fighting, and if you're caught in a line being made, you get hurt badly.
That's pretty much exactly what I was imagining.
Quote from: Kayo on July 26, 2011, 06:16:57 PM
That's pretty much exactly what I was imagining.
Maybe the blocks move it the player kicks attacks them and when it reaches the top it OHKOs every player. If a player gets sandwiched between a block they get KO'd as well. Would be a fun strategy type map.
Quote from: Tahrann on July 26, 2011, 07:29:26 PM
Maybe the blocks move it the player kicks attacks them and when it reaches the top it OHKOs every player. If a player gets sandwiched between a block they get KO'd as well. Would be a fun strategy type map.
I was thinking about that too, but then again I prefer the idea of rows being constantly made and causing damage. While it would be cool for players to influence that, they would fight too much over the blocks and it would never make a row.
I don't know on that one.
Quote from: Riddler21 on July 26, 2011, 12:01:39 PM
"TETRIS STAGE?! YOU MEAN WITH MOVING BLOCKS AND SHIT?! THAT'S GAY. IT'D BE TOO RANDOM. NOTHING CAN BEAT FINAL DESTINATION. LET ME GUESS, YOU LIKE ITEMS AND FINAL SMASHES TOO?! HA HA HA"
Guarantee this would be a normal response.
as a tournyfag, i prefer the zelda temple stage with no items excuse you
also final smashes do suck
I sometimes viewed Battlefield as a miniature Final Destination.
At least during 64 and Melee I did.
Quote from: FruitFlow on July 27, 2011, 12:18:56 AM
I sometimes viewed Battlefield as a miniature Final Destination.
At least during 64 and Melee I did.
That's basically what it was.
Let me just say that the Virtual Boy had far bigger problems than eye strain. You have to lie on your stomach to use it, and they break really easily because they had a lot of fragile parts/stupid engineering choices. There are some good games, but most aren't worth the hassle.
Anyway, about Smash. Despite all the delays, Brawl felt rushed. No idea why ROB or Wolf are in there either. Knowing Nintendo, the Urban Champion characters will probably be in it, since apparently they love that game so much...
(Seriously, they made Urban Champion a 3D Classic?! Who wanted that?)
You'll get your Duck Hunt 3D soon, Tupin. Don't worry.
Quote from: MooglePlayerChris on July 27, 2011, 07:56:03 PM
You'll get your Duck Hunt 3D soon, Tupin. Don't worry.
*resists urge.... TO EDIT*
In reality though, we kinda have it already with Face Raiders
Quote from: Turok on July 27, 2011, 11:22:37 PM
*resists urge.... TO EDIT*
In reality though, we kinda have it already with Face Raiders
...not really.
Quote from: Kayo on July 28, 2011, 06:03:35 AM
...not really.
Face Raiders is practically the same thing
Quote from: Zero on July 28, 2011, 05:24:12 PM
Face Raiders is practically the same thing
Except faces.
Ahhhhh faces D:
Quote from: Zero on July 19, 2011, 02:19:08 AM
Hey RX
Protip: the reason a Boo would be intercourse ing stupid is because its Smash Bros, not.intercourse ing.Mario.Party.
You'd think that after all these years, Nintendo fans would get it through their skulls that a character needs a decent amount of significance to land a spot on a fighting game roster. It's the same reason AC characters outside of Nook don't have the slightest chance of landing a spot.
Again, this is 2007 all over again.
As for significance, they might as well use King Boo or even the Boo partner from
Paper Mario then. I just want some sort of Boo in
SSB.
I don't know why people are saying all of this stuff about not being able to look at it though, because that's obviously been taken care of in other games.
Quote from: RX-78-2 on July 30, 2011, 12:17:51 AM
As for significance, they might as well use King Boo or even the Boo partner from Paper Mario then. I just want some sort of Boo in SSB.
I don't know why people are saying all of this stuff about not being able to look at it though, because that's obviously been taken care of in other games.
what? boo?
no put real characters in plz
I honestly can't see Boo as a character in this.
Maybe as a stage hazard, but a fighter? Not really.
I can almost guarantee that no form of Boo will be a playable fighter.
[sarcasm]Let's waste a character's spot for a Boo. That way we can say Mega Man couldn't get in.[/sarcasm]
Quote from: MooglePlayerChris on July 30, 2011, 04:55:12 PM
[sarcasm]Let's waste a character's spot for a Boo. That way we can say Mega Man couldn't get in.[/sarcasm]
Sounds like New Capcom payed Nintendo to make Boo playable...
Are we gonna still have Assist Trophies? I could see Boo as one of those, at the most.
A character that I can actually like/relate to and kick everyone's ass with.
Quote from: Kayo on July 30, 2011, 08:11:36 PM
Are we gonna still have Assist Trophies? I could see Boo as one of those, at the most.
Screw it. Let Boo be an item like in Mario Kart...
...Wait, we have the Cloacking Device. Maybe make Boo a prankster Assist Trophy and turn anyone invisible at random?
Quote from: MooglePlayerChris on July 30, 2011, 08:31:34 PM
Screw it. Let Boo be an item like in Mario Kart...
...Wait, we have the Cloacking Device. Maybe make Boo a prankster Assist Trophy and turn anyone invisible at random?
Maybe he turns invisible and attacks your enemies so they can't see it. And/or takes any items they're holding.
Quote from: Zen127 on July 30, 2011, 08:21:07 PM
A character that I can actually like/relate to and kick everyone's ass with.
Hwoarang?
Quote from: MooglePlayerChris on July 30, 2011, 08:31:34 PM
Screw it. Let Boo be an item like in Mario Kart...
...Wait, we have the Cloacking Device. Maybe make Boo a prankster Assist Trophy and turn anyone invisible at random?
HAD. It wasn't in Brawl, only Melee. Speaking of which, I want my pink energy katanas back, not those blue lightsaber rip-offs.
Quote from: Neerb on July 30, 2011, 09:17:24 PM
HAD. It wasn't in Brawl, only Melee. Speaking of which, I want my pink energy katanas back, not those blue lightsaber rip-offs.
MAYBE THEY'LL BRING IT BACK JEEZ
Cloaking* Device was one of the most useless items in the game.
If Boo would be an assist trophy, it should be multiple boos that follow you when you're not facing them and can damage you.
Quote from: Riddler21 on July 30, 2011, 10:43:29 PM
Cloaking* Device was one of the most useless items in the game.
If Boo would be an assist trophy, it should be multiple boos that follow you when you're not facing them and can damage you.
but they move slow when they do that
Quote from: Kayo on July 30, 2011, 11:14:33 PM
but they move slow when they do that
That's why there's a bunch of them. You need to focus on your opponent while the boos move in on you. You either need to learn to fight backwards or dodge the poop out of them.
Quote from: Riddler21 on July 30, 2011, 11:24:57 PM
That's why there's a bunch of them. You need to focus on your opponent while the boos move in on you. You either need to learn to fight backwards or dodge the poop out of them.
But how long will they stay there? If they're slow they can't do much, especially since the player will be constantly moving around.
Quote from: Kayo on July 30, 2011, 11:29:18 PM
But how long will they stay there? If they're slow they can't do much, especially since the player will be constantly moving around.
They can last a while, or they can be a BIG group (like in any Ghost House in SMW.) Other than that, Some Assists are easy to dodge, don't dismiss it because it wouldn't be the most powerful thing in the world.
And they'd be able to do plenty. If you face away from them, they move in on you and contact with them hurts you. Your opponent will keep you facing him, or you'll have to learn to fight backwards.
Quote from: Riddler21 on July 31, 2011, 12:34:38 AM
They can last a while, or they can be a BIG group (like in any Ghost House in SMW.) Other than that, Some Assists are easy to dodge, don't dismiss it because it wouldn't be the most powerful thing in the world.
And they'd be able to do plenty. If you face away from them, they move in on you and contact with them hurts you. Your opponent will keep you facing him, or you'll have to learn to fight backwards.
maybe if they moved a bit faster than normal it would make more sense. The only thing I'm having a hard time imagining is the unusual slowness. Now the ones in SMW who didn't follow you moved at a decent speed. I'm thinking a little closer to that.
too bad items are for scrubs
btw we need less useless Pokemon in Poke Balls.
Quote from: Custom on July 31, 2011, 04:27:34 PM
too bad items are for scrubs
Really so are long range attacks
i play marth who do you all play
maybe I should pick up Brawl and see how many achievements and stuff I can get before this new game comes out.
I like to play as everyone, but I mainly use Pokemon Trainer, Kirby, and Toon Link. Not that I'm great with any of them.
Quote from: Neerb on August 02, 2011, 07:18:50 PM
I like to play as everyone, but I mainly use Pokemon Trainer, Kirby, and Toon Link. Not that I'm great with any of them.
when I use Pokemon Trainer I just keep switching to Charizard.
Quote from: Kayo on August 02, 2011, 08:04:02 PM
when I use Pokemon Trainer I just keep switching to Charizard.
He's easily the coolest (and most useful), but I like to practice with all three so I can adapt to the situation better. I've actually grown pretty fond of Ivysaur; Squirtle, as cool as he is, is my worst one right now.
Trapping someone in bullet seed gives you a sense of complete control.
Quote from: Neerb on August 03, 2011, 07:26:34 AM
He's easily the coolest (and most useful), but I like to practice with all three so I can adapt to the situation better. I've actually grown pretty fond of Ivysaur; Squirtle, as cool as he is, is my worst one right now.
He's also the most like a "fighter" in my opinion. A quadrupedal dinosaur and a baby turtle don't nearly come close.
Quote from: MooglePlayerChris on July 30, 2011, 04:55:12 PM
[sarcasm]Let's waste a character's spot for a Boo. That way we can say Mega Man couldn't get in.[/sarcasm]
I'm not trying to be a dick, but I'm just going to point out that this "sarcasm" doesn't work. The word "waste" needs to be replaced with a word without a negative connotation.
Quote from: Custom on August 01, 2011, 03:50:29 PM
i play marth who do you all play
Samus, Fox, and Pikachu are my top three. I don't really spam unless it's Fox's laser. I also play frequently with about ten others to keep it fresh. I generally stay away from clones (except for Toon Link) and heavyweights (except for Ike...?).
Quote from: RX-78-2 on August 09, 2011, 12:02:59 AM
I'm not trying to be a dick, but I'm just going to point out that this "sarcasm" doesn't work. The word "waste" needs to be replaced with a word without a negative connotation.
You can still say that in a sarcastic tone. In fact, when you're saying something like "Let's waste a spot for..." it comes off with a bit of a sarcastic tone. Try it.
itt: why the intercourse is terrible frog still here when no one likes him
he clearly knows nothing but pretends he doesn't
Quote from: Bearissoslow on August 14, 2011, 01:44:27 PM
itt: why the intercourse is terrible frog still here when no one likes him
he clearly knows nothing but pretends he doesn't
nacho cheese
Quote from: Kayo on August 09, 2011, 12:34:30 AM
You can still say that in a sarcastic tone. In fact, when you're saying something like "Let's waste a spot for..." it comes off with a bit of a sarcastic tone. Try it.
I don't know. It comes off as a double negative then.
Quote from: Bearissoslow on August 14, 2011, 01:44:27 PM
itt: why the intercourse is terrible frog still here when no one likes him
he clearly knows nothing but pretends he doesn't
You're one to talk. :D
Quote from: RX-78-2 on August 15, 2011, 12:13:55 AM
I don't know. It comes off as a double negative then.
You're one to talk. :D
I suggest jumping off a bridge before this turns ugly.
we ran you out of area six because you were a pretentious knowitall faggot that really didn't know anything about what he was talking about and always took his posts too seriously.
I think the only reason that NSFCD hasn't done the same is because no one here is assertive enough to get rid of that annoying pretentious knowitall friend irl either.
bear for Führer
Quote from: Bearissoslow on August 15, 2011, 12:38:56 PM
we ran you out of area six because you were a pretentious knowitall faggot that really didn't know anything about what he was talking about and always took his posts too seriously.
I think the only reason that NSFCD hasn't done the same is because no one here is assertive enough to get rid of that annoying pretentious knowitall friend irl either.
Ran me out? What, I can't take a break from posting; my laptop was out of commission. I'll be back once the site is back up.
Quote from: Bearissoslow on August 15, 2011, 12:38:56 PM
we ran you out of area six because you were a pretentious knowitall faggot that really didn't know anything about what he was talking about and always took his posts too seriously.
I think the only reason that NSFCD hasn't done the same is because no one here is assertive enough to get rid of that annoying pretentious knowitall friend irl either.
Actually nsf is in the state it's in partly because they kept running people out. Though mostly due to some other event.
SUPER SMASH BROS: SCUFFLE!
That's my only speculation for this game.
Quote from: Bearissoslow on August 15, 2011, 12:38:56 PM
we ran you out of area six because you were a pretentious knowitall faggot that really didn't know anything about what he was talking about and always took his posts too seriously.
I think the only reason that NSFCD hasn't done the same is because no one here is assertive enough to get rid of that annoying pretentious knowitall friend irl either.
i am
Quote from: RX-78-2 on August 21, 2011, 11:17:17 PM
Ran me out? What, I can't take a break from posting; my laptop was out of commission. I'll be back once the site is back up.
Like hell
Still waiting on Area 6.
It's as if you emanate enough autism to burn holes in the ozone.
Quote from: Ravioli on August 29, 2011, 12:00:24 AM
It's as if you emanate enough autism to burn holes in the ozone.
That statement was very entertaining to me.
You earn a point.
Classic Mario and Mr. Namco, as always.
CAN THERE BE ANYBODY ELSE?
Quote from: RX-78-2 on July 30, 2011, 12:17:51 AM
As for significance, they might as well use King Boo or even the Boo partner from Paper Mario then. I just want some sort of Boo in SSB.
I don't know why people are saying all of this stuff about not being able to look at it though, because that's obviously been taken care of in other games.
That's silly. This isn't Mario Kart. I don't see any other Mario reps besides maybe Bowser Jr.
We need King K. Rool, though. Make it happen.
Quote from: Doodle on September 09, 2011, 07:28:07 AM
That's silly. This isn't Mario Kart. I don't see any other Mario reps besides maybe Bowser Jr.
We need King K. Rool, though. Make it happen.
We'll have to talk to Rare about that, since K. Rool is much less Nintendo than DK and Diddy.
Quote from: Kayo on September 09, 2011, 12:38:33 PM
We'll have to talk to Rare about that, since K. Rool is much less Nintendo than DK and Diddy.
I don't really think that would be much of an issue at this point considering the fact that both K. Rool and Kritter made an appearance in Super Sluggers.
Everything except Donkey Kong and Cranky Kong were created by Rare, however Nintendo owns full rights to the entire DK franchise including the objects and enemies with the exception of the Jetpack mini-game from DK64.
Also, if you journey back to Diddy Kong Racing DS you'll notice that the only two characters that have been removed and replaced by Dixie and Tiny were Banjo and Conker. But that's clearly due to the fact that Banjo/Conker and their games are under full ownership of Rare.
Even the Kritter from the original is still there.
So there shouldn't be an issue with getting K. Rool added in.
I personally would love to see that happen.
Quote from: FruitFlow on September 09, 2011, 07:21:29 PM
I don't really think that would be much of an issue at this point considering the fact that both K. Rool and Kritter made an appearance in Super Sluggers.
Everything except Donkey Kong and Cranky Kong were created by Rare, however Nintendo owns full rights to the entire DK franchise including the objects and enemies with the exception of the Jetpack mini-game from DK64.
Also, if you journey back to Diddy Kong Racing DS you'll notice that the only two characters that have been removed and replaced by Dixie and Tiny were Banjo and Conker. But that's clearly due to the fact that Banjo/Conker and their games are under full ownership of Rare.
Even the Kritter from the original is still there.
So there shouldn't be an issue with getting K. Rool added in.
I personally would love to see that happen.
I'm not saying it wouldn't be awesome, but I'm not sure how much Nintendo would want him in there.
And of course his >B move would be to throw his crown like a boomerang.
I'm not sure what goes into the character selection process, but another DK and villain rep would be cool, so I'm all for K. Rool being in the game. More heavy/power characters too. Although, Nintendo will probably go for the "more Mario and Pokeymans!" route like they apparently have been. Guess we'll see once the first trailer comes out.
Quote from: Nayrman on September 09, 2011, 08:34:10 PM
I'm not sure what goes into the character selection process, but another DK and villain rep would be cool, so I'm all for K. Rool being in the game. More heavy/power characters too. Although, Nintendo will probably go for the "more Mario and Pokeymans!" route like they apparently have been. Guess we'll see once the first trailer comes out.
If you forgot, the Mario rep count in Brawl got reduced to four. I'm sure they won't have five reps per franchise unless the Wii U is strong enough to have lots of more characters around.
Maybe the roster will be double the size it was in Brawl.
First game introduced 12 characters.
Second game introduced 13 characters, not counting transformations.
Third game introduced 14 characters, not counting transformations (and if you count Toon as Young).
So... fourth game introduces 15 characters, not counting transformations?
Quote from: Neerb on September 09, 2011, 09:17:43 PM
First game introduced 12 characters.
Second game introduced 13 characters, not counting transformations.
Third game introduced 14 characters, not counting transformations (and if you count Toon as Young).
So... fourth game introduces 15 characters, not counting transformations?
Maybe, although they COULD introduce even more.
More is always good... as long as they put some effort into it. Sakurai has apparently said that they're working harder to make the characters balanced this time.
There's also the chance that characters from Brawl could be lost... or characters from Melee could come back?
Though I doubt both; Brawl seemed to have a pretty solid cast outside of Lucario, who will almost certainly not come back. And I fear Mewtwo and Roy will never return...
I personally see nothing wrong with intensely expanding the roster. Absolutely nothing wrong with having that many more characters to choose from when playing. It just adds even MORE customization/options, and makes everything more fun.
What about the 3DS version? It may not have as many characters... should they give it different characters to entice people to buy it? Sakurai said himself that he doesn't want it to be a dumbed-down port.
Quote from: Neerb on September 09, 2011, 09:47:00 PM
What about the 3DS version? It may not have as many characters... should they give it different characters to entice people to buy it? Sakurai said himself that he doesn't want it to be a dumbed-down port.
If 8GB aren't enough (this is apparently the maximum size of a 3DS cardtridge from what I've heard), they're SO going to come up with the "double-layered 3DS cartridge" product.
Quote from: Kayo on September 09, 2011, 12:38:33 PM
We'll have to talk to Rare about that, since K. Rool is much less Nintendo than DK and Diddy.
It's not like Nintendo created Diddy Kong either. So basically what was already said.
Quote from: NotAsagiChris on September 09, 2011, 09:49:45 PM
If 8GB aren't enough (this is apparently the maximum size of a 3DS cardtridge from what I've heard), they're SO going to come up with the "double-layered 3DS cartridge" product.
If they can manage being under 8GB with the Wii, I'm sure they can do it for the 3DS.
Besides, the only things using up all the space was all the subspace videos.
But yeah, if they're going to put in ANY Donkey Kong villain (besides Mario) it should be K. Rool.
He should definitely have boxing gloves and pirate stuff. And a pirate ship stage.
I like K. Rool, but I highly doubt he will make it in.
His last appearance was in Super Sluggers, and none of his minions even made it to DK's latest game.
I guess that doesn't matter in some ways as Pit and Ice Climbers, and a bunch of others latest game was like 20 years ago when Brawl came out, but I still stand by my argument.
Gangplank Galleon for new stage, and it sure as hell better have K. Rool's battle theme from the first DKC as the music.
That would be a kickass stage.
Quote from: JrDude 益 on September 10, 2011, 05:25:29 PM
I like K. Rool, but I highly doubt he will make it in.
His last appearance was in Super Sluggers, and none of his minions even made it to DK's latest game.
That's only because Retro didn't want to just reuse the same villains and enemies.
I want some Golden Sun characters, god darn it.
huge tits (http://nsider2.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=589733)
Pennington for ssb4
speculation threads are for fags
that being said why don't we have a tetris stage
Quote from: Custom on September 15, 2011, 03:00:45 PM
speculation threads are for fags
that being said why don't we have a tetris stage
You mean you didn't enjoy the two fun years of nothing but speculation on Oldsider's Smash Board? :P
Quote from: Nayrman on September 15, 2011, 03:14:21 PM
You mean you didn't enjoy the two fun years of nothing but speculation on Oldsider's Smash Board? :P
ZELDAS HAIR
THE CLOUDS
SONIC SONIC SONIC SONIC SONIC
Quote from: Super on September 10, 2011, 11:36:28 PM
I want some Golden Sun characters, god darn it.
Isaac, Felix, or Matthew?
Quote from: Zero on September 15, 2011, 03:15:11 PM
ZELDAS HAIR
THAT WAS A SERIOUS ISSUE!!!
Quote from: Zero on September 15, 2011, 03:15:11 PM
ZELDAS HAIR
THE CLOUDS
SONIC SONIC SONIC SONIC SONIC
Good times. :P
I'm almost in the mood to start making more movesets, but I'll wait until an official trailer to get into full on speculation mode. XD
Alright, I'm in the mood. My fan roster is everyone from Brawl except Lucario and Toon Link, plus the following:
Bowser Jr.
King K. Rool
Masked Link
Zoroark
Sylux
Krystal
Black Shadow
Micaiah
Tom Nook
Medusa
Isaac
Ray 01
Little Mac
Neku
Mega Man
"Masked Link" is Majora's Mask Link, who works similarly to Pokemon Trainer; choosing him lets you cycle through playing as Deku Link, Zora Link, and Goron Link by pressing Down+B, with Hylian Link never actually appearing. And of course, Fierce Deity Link is his Final Smash.
Why neerb
Also Custom we discussed how awesome a tetris stage would be several pages back
Quote from: Kayo on September 15, 2011, 05:11:52 PM
Why neerb
Because this is a Smash Speculation thread on Nsider and there's no actual news on the subject....
Quote from: Neerb on September 15, 2011, 07:39:41 PM
Because this is a Smash Speculation thread on Nsider and there's no actual news on the subject....
i mean your selections
Quote from: Kayo on September 15, 2011, 07:55:15 PM
i mean your selections
Because I can...
What's
your list?
Quote from: Neerb on September 15, 2011, 08:01:14 PM
Because I can...
What's your list?
Why would you want Zoroark in it?
Quote from: Kayo on September 15, 2011, 08:28:53 PM
Why would you want Zoroark in it?
Popular Pokemon pattern is inevitable even though I haven't seen people really like it?
Quote from: NotAsagiChris on September 15, 2011, 08:29:46 PM
Popular Pokemon pattern is inevitable even though I haven't seen people really like it?
But could they use his special ability effectively?
Quote from: Kayo on September 15, 2011, 08:31:23 PM
But could they use his special ability effectively?
Aw, true dat.
Don't you mean her?
Quote from: NotAsagiChris on September 15, 2011, 08:37:35 PM
Aw, true dat.
Don't you mean her?
(http://gyazo.com/acfa1864105bde09678428c2906f8237.png)
No, I don't.
The one from the movie and in-game event is female, which is why Zoroark is popular in the first place (ala Lucario), so you could say a SSB4 one would be female.
And yes, I only threw Zoroark in there because it's the new popular biped, like Lucario and Mewtwo before it. Not really sure how Illusion would work...
Quote from: Neerb on September 15, 2011, 09:27:22 PM
The one from the movie and in-game event is female, which is why Zoroark is popular in the first place (ala Lucario), so you could say a SSB4 one would be female.
And yes, I only threw Zoroark in there because it's the new popular biped, like Lucario and Mewtwo before it. Not really sure how Illusion would work...
I never got why they did that, considering how rare females are in the game data. Also the only way to put Illusion in would be to have Zoroark look like any of the other fighters until it takes X damage. But there are several major problems, such as the fact that there would likely be only one duplicate character, and obviously one of the two would be Zoroark. Also the standard color change coupled with the fact that anyone would know Zoroark's position on the bottom of the screen (you know, 1st-4th, left to right) would make it extremely obvious to detect. And then with the fact that it could use its own moves in the guise of the character would make a huge mess, so there's almost zero chance that Illusion would be included that way. Maybe as a final smash or something. (Dunno how that would work either, but at least it'd be in there)
Maybe it doesn't even have to be literal, it could just be an "illusion" of any kind. Heck, knowing Sakurai, he'd probably just photocopy Lucario's Double Team and call it Zoroark's Illusion... which might not actually be that bad if the rest of the move set isn't cloned.
If they want to reference the movie (or the in-game event that referenced the movie), her final smash could be an "illusion" of the three shiny legendary Johto beasts wreaking elemental havoc.
Quote from: Neerb on September 15, 2011, 09:35:19 PM
Maybe it doesn't even have to be literal, it could just be an "illusion" of any kind. Heck, knowing Sakurai, he'd probably just photocopy Lucario's Double Team and call it Zoroark's Illusion... which might not actually be that bad if the rest of the move set isn't cloned.
If they want to reference the movie (or the in-game event that referenced the movie), her final smash could be an "illusion" of the three shiny legendary Johto beasts wreaking elemental havoc.
So then they would do no damage?
There's no way they could effectively put Zoroark in. Of course they might just do it anyway because "popularity" but they can't use its special abilities or anything, so it would just be an ordinary pokemon. It's entirely generic without Illusion.
There's probably some over-complicated way to make Zoroark work. Maybe they'll use Genesect? IDK why, but I think that would be pretty cool.
Animal Crossing characters don't belong in SSB.
Quote from: JrDude 益 on September 15, 2011, 10:45:06 PM
There's probably some over-complicated way to make Zoroark work. Maybe they'll use Genesect? IDK why, but I think that would be pretty cool.
Well, remember we're not even supposed to KNOW that Genosect exists, in a sense. It's an event-only Pokemon that hasn't been released yet, so there's zero chance of it being a playable character. In the game as a background feature or whatever wouldn't be impossible, though.
Quote from: Kayo on September 15, 2011, 08:28:53 PM
Why would you want Zoroark in it?
whoever suggested that should be beheaded what a intercourse ing fag zoroark is an emo piece of poop for big dick suckers
i'd rather have intercourse ing tom nook or cdi-link than intercourse ing gay ass 5th gen pokemon
put mewtwo back in gosh darn
intercourse faggot ass zoroark
Quote from: Custom on September 16, 2011, 12:06:16 AM
i'd rather have intercourse ing tom nook or cdi-link than intercourse ing gay ass 5th gen pokemon
put mewtwo back in gosh darn
intercourse faggot ass zoroark
I'm all for that; I liked him way more than Lucario. But realistically, Sakurai's more likely to advertise 5th gen than he is to make all playable Pokemon 1st gen.
Quote from: Neerb on September 15, 2011, 03:43:27 PM
Alright, I'm in the mood. My fan roster is everyone from Brawl except Lucario and Toon Link, plus the following:
Bowser Jr.
King K. Rool
Masked Link
Zoroark
Sylux
Krystal
Black Shadow
Micaiah
Tom Nook
Medusa
Isaac
Ray 01
Little Mac
Neku
Mega Man
NOPE
i liked toon link more than tp link lol
Doesn't everyone like Toon Link more than TP Link?
And what will we get next time? Skyward Sword Link? TP-style Zelda HD Link?
TP-styled HD Link sounds a bit reasonable. All character models must fit somehow.
Toon Link was a slight diversion, but it got a bit "Brawlified".
I would love to see them go through the trouble of making Princess Zelda, Sheik, and Ganondorf Skyward Sword style...
Quote from: Neerb on September 16, 2011, 01:07:41 PM
I would love to see them go through the trouble of making Princess Zelda, Sheik, and Ganondorf Skyward Sword style...
But then everyone else would have to do the same.
Quote from: NotAsagiChris on September 16, 2011, 01:09:27 PM
But then everyone else would have to do the same.
So far we've had OoT style, TP style, and TWW style, and they've all worked; I'm sure they could alter SS Link enough to put him in and still be recognizable.
Quote from: NotAsagiChris on September 16, 2011, 10:01:15 AM
TP-styled HD Link sounds a bit reasonable. All character models must fit somehow.
Toon Link was a slight diversion, but it got a bit "Brawlified".
All they actually did was add a bit of detail to his clothes, and darken his face textures.
And Skyward Sword Link will probably be in the next one. It usually works that way.
I looked at them. ヽ(´ー｀)ノ
lol Krystal
Neerb should give serious consideration to that list he just posted.
I'm noticing no one else has even bothered to post a list recently...
And yeah, Krystal's practically a place saver since I want 15 characters and didn't want to load it with 3rd parties; I just can't think of many more series that deserve their own rep. That kid from the new Sin & Punishment, maybe?
Quote from: Neerb on September 17, 2011, 08:20:56 PM
I'm noticing no one else has even bothered to post a list recently...
And yeah, Krystal's practically a place saver since I want 15 characters and didn't want to load it with 3rd parties; I just can't think of many more series that deserve their own rep. That kid from the new Sin & Punishment, maybe?
Maybe
Krystal is just a lame idea though.
For some reason my mind always goes back to Chibi Robo when I'm trying to think of characters... I'm not sure if that's a good thing or not.
Quote from: Zero on September 17, 2011, 09:08:01 PM
Maybe
Krystal is just a lame idea though.
That's what a certain circle of...fans think of her because she gets in the way for some "special" kinds of relationships.
Are you one of them?
Quote from: NotAsagiChris on September 17, 2011, 09:19:31 PM
That's what a certain circle of...fans think of her because she gets in the way for some "special" kinds of relationships.
Are you one of them?
what the intercourse are you talking about
Quote from: Custom on September 17, 2011, 10:31:25 PM
what the intercourse are you talking about
I'll say it in your style:
gay furry love what the intercourse are they smoking
Quote from: NotAsagiChris on September 17, 2011, 10:36:11 PM
I'll say it in your style:
gay furry love what the intercourse are they smoking
I'm pretty sure people hate Krystal because they're against furry love in general.
I threw her in anyway because I figured her staff from Adventures could let her be a Star Fox character that isn't a clone, plus I think Nintendo should make an effort to make more female characters known besides Zelda, Samus, and the Mario princesses, PLUS I want more magic users in Brawl (you'll notice I actually have three female magic users on that list plus a male magic user in the form of Isaac).
I bet she'd still have a Landmaster, though.
Quote from: Neerb on September 18, 2011, 06:44:10 AM
I'm pretty sure people hate Krystal because they're against furry love in general.
Bonus points for hilariously making the yaoi fanbase hate her as well.
Quote from: NotAsagiChris on September 17, 2011, 09:19:31 PM
That's what a certain circle of...fans think of her because she gets in the way for some "special" kinds of relationships.
Are you one of them?
If I was a furry I'd be a self-hating furry.
There's nothing good about what they think or do.
Quote from: Zero on September 18, 2011, 02:55:41 PM
If I was a furry I'd be a self-hating furry.
There's nothing good about what they think or do.
True that... *Shrugs*
Quote from: NotAsagiChris on September 17, 2011, 10:36:11 PM
I'll say it in your style:
gay furry love what the intercourse are they smoking
whoa DON'T SAY THOSE WORDS
Someone post a list that's better than Neerb's list.
Quote from: Kayo on September 18, 2011, 06:06:30 PM
Someone post a list that's better than Neerb's list.
Impossible. People have been doing it for a while and nobody has yet brought up a "good" one because they don't like the characters, even though they really do fit.
Quote from: NotAsagiChris on September 18, 2011, 06:17:31 PM
Impossible. People have been doing it for a while and nobody has yet brought up a "good" one because they don't like the characters, even though they really do fit.
Who says they really fit? That's an opinion.
Quote from: Kayo on September 18, 2011, 06:27:43 PM
Who says they really fit? That's an opinion.
Yes, but flame wars exploded when opinions were brought up. It's inevitable.
Quote from: NotAsagiChris on September 18, 2011, 06:51:53 PM
Yes, but flame wars exploded when opinions were brought up. It's inevitable.
What makes your opinion any more valuable?
Quote from: Kayo on September 18, 2011, 06:52:44 PM
What makes your opinion any more valuable?
Uh, what opinion?
WHY DOES THIS EXIST
SSB4 IS NOT EVEN IN FUCKING DEVELOPMENT
And after what a clusterintercourse Brawl was, the series has intercourse ing nowhere to go but further downhill.
wut
Brawl is pretty fun. But then again I have friends.
No one's going to be offended by someone else posting a roster; it's all speculative fan ideas. If someone HAS one, by all means, throw it out there; I'm trying to think of more characters myself, but it's a tad difficult for me to think of anyone right now.
Quote from: Neerb on September 18, 2011, 08:34:47 PM
No one's going to be offended by someone else posting a roster; it's all speculative fan ideas. If someone HAS one, by all means, throw it out there; I'm trying to think of more characters myself, but it's a tad difficult for me to think of anyone right now.
Please don't think of any more characters if they're gonna suck and you have no way to defend them.
Quote from: Kayo on September 18, 2011, 08:43:13 PM
Please don't think of any more characters if they're gonna suck and you have no way to defend them.
I didn't see his list. Was it that bad?
MY FAN ROSTER:
Slippy
Krystal
ZOROARK
Koopa
POO
ISAAC OMG
Samurai Goroh
Princess Daisy
Waluigi
Mega Man
Pac-Man
Phoenix Wright
Shadow
Tails
Knuckles
LIQUID SNAKE
PIRANHA PLANT
NARUTO
GOKU
MAGNETO
BEST ROSTER EVAR FUCK YOU KIDS IM SO AWESOME FOR WANTING THESE CHARACTERS ARRRRRGGGHHGGGHGH
Quote from: Zero on September 18, 2011, 08:47:06 PM
MY FAN ROSTER:
Slippy
Krystal
Koopa
POO
ISAAC OMG
Samurai Goroh
Princess Daisy
Waluigi
Mega Man
Pac-Man
Phoenix Wright
Shadow
Tails
Knuckles
LIQUID SNAKE
PIRANHA PLANT
NARUTO
GOKU
MAGNETO
BEST ROSTER EVAR FUCK YOU KIDS IM SO AWESOME FOR WANTING THESE CHARACTERS ARRRRRGGGHHGGGHGH
HOW COULD U NOT INCULDE ZOROARK HES SO FUKCING AWESOME AND PERFECT!!11!!!!!1
Quote from: Kayo on September 18, 2011, 08:48:23 PM
HOW COULD U NOT INCULDE ZOROARK HES SO FUKCING AWESOME AND PERFECT!!11!!!!!1
omg fixed
goku would be the best
Quote from: Zero on September 18, 2011, 07:30:53 PM
wut
Brawl is pretty fun. But then again I have friends.
lol no
[spoiler]The fight mechanics were so watered-down from Melee that it totally lost most of its verve. No hitstun. No l-cancelling. No directional air-dodging. Motherintercourse ing tripping. Everything just felt so sluggish in comparison. Brawl rewards camping and spamming far more than its predecessor.
SSE is the most boring, useless, unbearably long and tedious piece of poop story mode of any game ever. So much wasted effort. There is intercourse ing nothing remotely entertaining about it. Did anyone even bother to use stickers?
Online play. Nothing to say there.
I'm not even a butthurt tourneyfag. The game was just so anticlimactic after how fun Melee was and after all the hype. It's like Sakurai was trying way too hard to make Brawl his magnum opus but put too much of his effort and vision into the wrong places.
I tried to be impartial with Brawl just because I figured that despite my whining it would still be worth some quality kicks and fun. Yeah, it was fun for maybe one week and that was it. My friends and I have clocked far more time into Melee. Every once in a blue moon we'll still play a couple rounds of Melee. I think I played Brawl with friends....three times? And the immediate consensus was "What the intercourse ? Did my character just intercourse ing
trip? Fuck this gay poop let's go to the house of mirrors and drop shrooms."
tl;dr: I'm beating a dead horse because Brawl hate already peaked two days after its release and I don't actually care what you guys do with your time so whatever [/spoiler]
but seriously why does this exist
Quote from: Ravioli on September 18, 2011, 09:26:05 PM
lol no
[spoiler]The fight mechanics were so watered-down from Melee that it totally lost most of its verve. No hitstun. No l-cancelling. No directional air-dodging. Motherintercourse ing tripping. Everything just felt so sluggish in comparison. Brawl rewards camping and spamming far more than its predecessor.
SSE is the most boring, useless, unbearably long and tedious piece of poop story mode of any game ever. So much wasted effort. There is intercourse ing nothing remotely entertaining about it. Did anyone even bother to use stickers?
Online play. Nothing to say there.
I'm not even a butthurt tourneyfag. The game was just so anticlimactic after how fun Melee was and after all the hype. It's like Sakurai was trying way too hard to make Brawl his magnum opus but put too much of his effort and vision into the wrong places.
I tried to be impartial with Brawl just because I figured that despite my whining it would still be worth some quality kicks and fun. Yeah, it was fun for maybe one week and that was it. My friends and I have clocked far more time into Melee. Every once in a blue moon we'll still play a couple rounds of Melee. I think I played Brawl with friends....three times? And the immediate consensus was "What the intercourse ? Did my character just intercourse ing trip? Fuck this gay poop let's go to the house of mirrors and drop shrooms."
tl;dr: I'm beating a dead horse because Brawl hate already peaked two days after its release and I don't actually care what you guys do with your time so whatever [/spoiler]
but seriously why does this exist
You're talking like a tourney fag. They don't know fun.
noitemsfoxonlyfinaldestination
Quote from: Ravioli on September 18, 2011, 09:39:02 PM
noitemsfoxonlyfinaldestination
Not in Brawl. :D
Of course we still have Meta Knight. :|
And just because Brawl messed up doesn't mean the next one has to as well. I wouldn't even mind if they kept the floatiness or left out the Melee techniques; just get rid of tripping, balance the characters and fix online and I'd be sold (though I would prefer them to bring back Melee's faster, heavier feel and darker look).
And even with all those things still in it (besides crappy online), it's still a fun game. It's more casual than Melee, sure, but just because it wasn't the 13/10 everyone wanted it to be doesn't mean it isn't a blast to play if you have friends.
Keep Brawl's art style and intercourse ton of features and add a more Melee-inspired gameplay and we'll be set.
Quote from: Ravioli on September 18, 2011, 09:26:05 PM
lol no
[spoiler]The fight mechanics were so watered-down from Melee that it totally lost most of its verve. No hitstun. No l-cancelling. No directional air-dodging. Motherintercourse ing tripping. Everything just felt so sluggish in comparison. Brawl rewards camping and spamming far more than its predecessor.
SSE is the most boring, useless, unbearably long and tedious piece of poop story mode of any game ever. So much wasted effort. There is intercourse ing nothing remotely entertaining about it. Did anyone even bother to use stickers?
Online play. Nothing to say there.
I'm not even a butthurt tourneyfag. The game was just so anticlimactic after how fun Melee was and after all the hype. It's like Sakurai was trying way too hard to make Brawl his magnum opus but put too much of his effort and vision into the wrong places.
I tried to be impartial with Brawl just because I figured that despite my whining it would still be worth some quality kicks and fun. Yeah, it was fun for maybe one week and that was it. My friends and I have clocked far more time into Melee. Every once in a blue moon we'll still play a couple rounds of Melee. I think I played Brawl with friends....three times? And the immediate consensus was "What the intercourse ? Did my character just intercourse ing trip? Fuck this gay poop let's go to the house of mirrors and drop shrooms."
tl;dr: I'm beating a dead horse because Brawl hate already peaked two days after its release and I don't actually care what you guys do with your time so whatever [/spoiler]
but seriously why does this exist
Oh you and I are on the same page when it come to competitive Brawl, but at the same exact time its a fun party game when my friends and I don't feel like playing Melee. It has more content and is still Smash, so its aight.
Smash Bros is still the joke of competitive fighting games anyway. It's a god darn party game.
zero do you use c stick
you're darn right I do
c stick master race
why would you use the c-stick
that's just silly
Quote from: Doodle on September 20, 2011, 06:41:38 AM
why would you use the c-stick
that's just silly
not using it is whats silly
(http://i.imgur.com/9Ep6L.png)
Discuss.
Quote from: Tupin on September 20, 2011, 01:45:47 PM
(http://i.imgur.com/9Ep6L.png)
Discuss.
Blasphemy! Universe isn't a synonym for the word "fight"!
I actually think Universe works well for Smash Bros., as for one it's characters from a bunch of different universes coming together. Second, Universe is as big as it gets, and the Smash games have been getting bigger and bigger in each incarnation. So in those ways I think the name works.
Where was that found anyway?
/v/, of course.
Whoa, definitely wasn't expecting info so soon. What site is this from? Can anyone translate what it says? Should we change the title now that we know what it's called (at least, the Wii U version)?
Also, "Universe" sounds pretty... well, universal. With a title like that, I'd expect the character count to soar and 3rd parties to make a far more notable presence.
If it's real, there are a few things the Zelda website that broke the info translated. Apparently they are:
- Taking tripping out
- Larger emphasis on Mario series, as it has "grown"
- Something similar to the way badges work in TWEWY
- A faster Samus
- More third party characters
- Developers feel F-Zero and Mother franchises are finished, no ideas for them
http://www.zeldainformer.com/2011/09/super-smash-bros-universe-japanese-fact-sheet.html (http://www.zeldainformer.com/2011/09/super-smash-bros-universe-japanese-fact-sheet.html)
Probably fake.
This doesn't look close to confirmation. As it stands it has as much of a chance of being fake as it does of being real. The name's not bad though.
Quote from: Tupin on September 20, 2011, 05:43:44 PM
http://www.zeldainformer.com/2011/09/super-smash-bros-universe-japanese-fact-sheet.html (http://www.zeldainformer.com/2011/09/super-smash-bros-universe-japanese-fact-sheet.html)
OH MY GOSH NEKU AND RIDLEY ARE PRACTICALLY CONFIRMED.
It could be very fake. I mean, they're re-using the same SSBB logo except with the special U and "-niverse" slapped on it. But I agree. Universe sounds powerful enough to drop the "fight" synonyms.
It's written well enough, I'll give them that; no major character claims or features or anything, just simple stuff like "Samus should be faster" and "We should improve the sticker system" and "Mother is pretty much done."
F-Zero is finished? SSB could lose some serious memetic meaning just for that.
Quote from: PrinnyOnLowBudgetChris on September 20, 2011, 06:05:42 PM
F-Zero is finished? SSB could lose some serious memetic meaning just for that.
They mean in terms of adding stuff, they're not taking Cap out. Besides, we don't really need anyone from Falcon's series besides the mighty Falcon himself.
Then again, wince the WiiU is a Wii with a U added to it, they'll probably milk that U for all it's worth. As in, they'll make these games' titles begin with Us if they can. So Universe makes even more sense.
Quote from: Kayo on September 20, 2011, 06:20:12 PM
Then again, wince the WiiU is a Wii with a U added to it, they'll probably milk that U for all it's worth. As in, they'll make these games' titles begin with Us if they can. So Universe makes even more sense.
You mean like they did with... well, I guess every console they've ever had?
*thinks*
Super Mario Underground
The Legend of Zelda: Ukulele of Space
F-Zero UX
Pokemon Battle Revolution TU
Star Fox 64 U
Okay I'm done.
Quote from: Neerb on September 20, 2011, 06:31:38 PM
You mean like they did with... well, I guess every console they've ever had?
*thinks*
Super Mario Underground
The Legend of Zelda: Ukulele of Space
F-Zero UX
Pokemon Battle Revolution TU
Star Fox 64 U
Okay I'm done.
Every console? Let's go play Mario Kart GameCube then. :|
I mean, they can't be as lazy as "Mario Kart Wii" here, since "Mario Kart WiiU" for example would just be awful. So we'll probably get a handful of U games. Mario Kart... Ultimatum?
The F-Zero bit kind of annoyed me though. F-Zero has plenty of potential, if they'd ever bother making a game that utilized any of it, like online or something. I dunno, I just think maybe a RACING game with lots of people racing at one time MIGHT be good for online. But nope, apparently it has no future.
Besides, Goroh or Black Shadow would be fun if they could make a good moveset for them. Then again, this is the series that's too lazy to give Ganondorf his own moveset...
Quote from: Kayo on September 20, 2011, 06:38:25 PM
Every console? Let's go play Mario Kart GameCube then. :|
I mean, they can't be as lazy as "Mario Kart Wii" here, since "Mario Kart WiiU" for example would just be awful. So we'll probably get a handful of U games. Mario Kart... Ultimatum?
Well, every gen; 1st gen had Famicom Wars (later to be called "Advance Wars" by non-Japanese), 2nd gen had "Super" stuff, 3rd gen was loaded with 64s, 4th gen had Advance stuff, 5th was the worst with "DS" and "Wii" all over the place, and 6th was just asking for it with the 3DS.
And Mario Kart Ultimatum sounds like a game where we get to jump from kart to kart and beat people unconscious while racing Final Fantasy bosses.
Quote from: Neerb on September 20, 2011, 06:45:51 PM
Well, every gen; 1st gen had Famicom Wars (later to be called "Advance Wars" by non-Japanese), 2nd gen had "Super" stuff, 3rd gen was loaded with 64s, 4th gen had Advance stuff, 5th was the worst with "DS" and "Wii" all over the place, and 6th was just asking for it with the 3DS.
And Mario Kart Ultimatum sounds like a game where we get to jump from kart to kart and beat people unconscious while racing Final Fantasy bosses.
There aren't enough U words.
OH GOD
SUPER MARIO UNIVERSE
???
Quote from: Kayo on September 20, 2011, 06:46:39 PM
There aren't enough U words.
OH GOD
SUPER MARIO UNIVERSE
???
Such a shame; if they got it out earlier it could have been Super Mario Galaxy Thrii
Land, World, Galaxy, Universe.
As odd as it sounds, it makes perfect sense.
Quote from: Neerb on September 20, 2011, 06:12:42 PM
They mean in terms of adding stuff, they're not taking Cap out. Besides, we don't really need anyone from Falcon's series besides the mighty Falcon himself.
This a thousand intercourse ing times.
Honestly, how the intercourse is adding in Samurai Goroh or Black Bull in going to ship more units of the game? Falcon is all we need.
I think we can safely assume Universe means all the franchises they've made coming together.
It's...a bit scary on the fan fiction side to me since I've emphasized that very same word a lot.
Quote from: PrinnyOnLowBudgetChris on September 20, 2011, 07:38:09 PM
I think we can safely assume Universe means all the franchises they've made coming together.
It's...a bit scary on the fan fiction side to me since I've emphasized that very same word a lot.
If you've used it correctly.
Quote from: Kayo on September 20, 2011, 07:40:40 PM
If you've used it correctly.
Pretty harsh, man. You need to be friendlier.
Anyway, if they said Mother and F-Zero can't offer anything else, does that imply the rest of the franchises give more stuff? Does that mean Star Fox hasn't even died in their eyes yet?
tingle confirmed playable character
also dante from devil may cry
Quote from: Custom on September 20, 2011, 08:09:20 PM
dante from devil may cry
Capcom does not believe in Mega Man anymore. Funnily enough, your post could be totally right.
Quote from: PrinnyOnLowBudgetChris on September 20, 2011, 08:13:10 PM
Capcom does not believe in Mega Man anymore. Funnily enough, your post could be totally right.
Last I checked, they don't believe in Dante anymore either. Not the real one, anyway.
Without Mega, I'd say Ryu has the best chance; after all, he's the star of his own fighting series. It would certainly be interesting to see how he translates into Smash style; Hadouken as B, Shoryuken as Up B, that spin kick I can never remember the name of as Down B... actually, sounds pretty Mario/Luigi-like.
Quote from: Neerb on September 20, 2011, 08:18:38 PM
Last I checked, they don't believe in Dante anymore either. Not the real one, anyway.
Without Mega, I'd say Ryu has the best chance; after all, he's the star of his own fighting series. It would certainly be interesting to see how he translates into Smash style; Hadouken as B, Shoryuken as Up B, that spin kick I can never remember the name of as Down B... actually, sounds pretty Mario/Luigi-like.
ryu has way too big a range to be in brawl i think
Quote from: PrinnyOnLowBudgetChris on September 20, 2011, 08:04:31 PM
Pretty harsh, man. You need to be friendlier.
I fail to see how you took that as a legitimate insult.
Quote from: Kayo on September 20, 2011, 09:11:15 PM
I fail to see how you took that as a legitimate insult.
yeah chris could learn a thing or two from me
When I think about it, I actually don't want Mega Man to be in it anymore. I mean, it would be awesome if X, or possibly Classic Mega Man made it in, but since that stuff (in 3D) died long ago, they'd probably add some lamer newer Mega Man.
And F-Zero is probably done for good. I mean, with Mario Kart being so popular, why make another Racing game if the racing game we're making is already selling ultra well? (In the mindset of a Nintendo Game developer) Mario Kart Wii with a small C.Falcon Mii driving the Blue Falcon is the closest thing to F Zero that we will probably see on the Wii, besides a bunch of things in SSBB. I doubt F Zero will get anything with Mario Kart in the way. And with that, there's no need to anything with it in SSB. Why think of a moveset for racers that have little to nothing to work off of, if the games they're in aren't even being made? It would probably be a poorly made clone. "GOROH PAUNCH!"
Fuck Capcom. It says something about more Konami characters.
SIMON
MOTHERFUCKING
BELMONT
Quote from: JrDude 益 on September 21, 2011, 01:12:57 AM
When I think about it, I actually don't want Mega Man to be in it anymore. I mean, it would be awesome if X, or possibly Classic Mega Man made it in, but since that stuff (in 3D) died long ago, they'd probably add some lamer newer Mega Man.
And F-Zero is probably done for good. I mean, with Mario Kart being so popular, why make another Racing game if the racing game we're making is already selling ultra well? (In the mindset of a Nintendo Game developer) Mario Kart Wii with a small C.Falcon Mii driving the Blue Falcon is the closest thing to F Zero that we will probably see on the Wii, besides a bunch of things in SSBB. I doubt F Zero will get anything with Mario Kart in the way. And with that, there's no need to anything with it in SSB. Why think of a moveset for racers that have little to nothing to work off of, if the games they're in aren't even being made? It would probably be a poorly made clone. "GOROH PAUNCH!"
Except you forget the part where Mario Kart and F-Zero don't play like each other all that much aside from the driving portion of it. Mario Kart has items and a battle mode, Mario themed courses and has more of a party feel to it. F-Zero is the more "serious" (if I can use that word in that way) racing game. F-Zero has loads of potential if Nintendo would bother to do anything with it. Combining and expanding the course editor and car editor from X and GX respectively would be fun, and making a REAL online mode would be awesome for a racing game that lets 30+ racers in any given race. Too bad that'll probably never happen, as Nintendo, as per usual, makes one non-Mario/Pokemon game a year and just rehashes the same things to MAKE MOAR MONIES.
They'll probably try it again in the future. But not until it's old as hell and it will feel like "Bringing classic to the present for EXTREME AWESOMENESS" or something like that but sounds less stupid.
I think we ought to have Charlie Sheen in the game.
Quote from: Super on September 21, 2011, 11:24:31 AM
I think we ought to have Charlie Sheen in the game.
That wouldn't be fair to the other characters though.
[sarcasm]We should let Mr. Namco in.[/sarcasm]
what about
jigglypuff
i hate how it wastes a pokemon spot that could have something like mewtwo in it
Complain, hate, and put as much logic into taking her out as you want. Jigglypuff is staying.
I really just want a portable smash bros. They did say there was going to be a 3DS version right?
Quote from: Qsmash on September 25, 2011, 07:39:02 AM
I really just want a portable smash bros. They did say there was going to be a 3DS version right?
Yes
Quote from: Kayo on September 24, 2011, 11:33:23 PM
what about
jigglypuff
i hate how it wastes a pokemon spot that could have something like mewtwo in it
Not gonna happen. They aren't gonna touch the original twelve.
Quote from: Zero on September 25, 2011, 11:19:54 AM
Yes
Supposedly, the 3DS one is going to be more like Brawl, while the Wii U one is going to be more like Melee.
Quote from: Doodle on September 25, 2011, 04:01:35 PM
Not gonna happen. They aren't gonna touch the original twelve.
Supposedly, the 3DS one is going to be more like Brawl, while the Wii U one is going to be more like Melee.
Source?
Quote from: Doodle on September 25, 2011, 04:01:35 PM
Not gonna happen. They aren't gonna touch the original twelve.
See this is the sad part and I hate it because I hate Jigglypuff. She can't even do anything.
Quote from: Kayo on September 25, 2011, 04:41:11 PM
See this is the sad part and I hate it because I hate Jigglypuff. She can't even do anything.
She's actually a pretty fun character that also happens to be better than most characters on the roster in Melee.
I agree that she isn't relevant any longer, but she probably isn't going anywhere and the claim that "she can't even do anything" shows you don't really know anything about Smash.
Shut up about Jiggs. The grown ups are talking.
DOODLE I DEMAND THE SOURCE
Quote from: Zero on September 25, 2011, 04:46:41 PM
She's actually a pretty fun character that also happens to be better than most characters on the roster in Melee.
I agree that she isn't relevant any longer, but she probably isn't going anywhere and the claim that "she can't even do anything" shows you don't really know anything about Smash.
Shut up about Jiggs. The grown ups are talking.
DOODLE I DEMAND THE SOURCE
Slight exaggeration maybe, but she STILL isn't that good. She hasn't been relevant in 10 years. I REALIZE that she's not going anywhere. I'm just tired of her. Pikachu too, but at least he's the "mascot" for Pokemon. Don't absolutely love either of them taking spots that could be used for Pokemon more suitable for fighting.
plus she was worse in Brawl and you know it. She can only keep getting worse from here.
Quote from: Kayo on September 25, 2011, 05:22:28 PM
Slight exaggeration maybe, but she STILL isn't that good. She hasn't been relevant in 10 years. I REALIZE that she's not going anywhere. I'm just tired of her. Pikachu too, but at least he's the "mascot" for Pokemon. Don't absolutely love either of them taking spots that could be used for Pokemon more suitable for fighting.
plus she was worse in Brawl and you know it. She can only keep getting worse from here.
Who says? Jiggs was low tier, then was top tier, and is now back to low tier. Fox was top tier for two games and is now middle tier. Kirby was top tier, then bottom tier, and is now middle tier. Pikachu was top, then mid, now high-mid. Link's always sucked. Falco's always been top. There's no real way to say whether a character will be better or worse in the next game.
Regardless, she's a rather unique character, and one of the original 12. She isn't going anywhere. All you can do is pray that Sakurai wakes up one morning and realizes she isn't relevant. Even then, she's still a unique character.
But yeah, enough about Jiggs. It's a moot discussion.
Quote from: Neerb on September 25, 2011, 05:36:19 PM
Who says? Jiggs was low tier, then was top tier, and is now back to low tier. Fox was top tier for two games and is now middle tier. Kirby was top tier, then bottom tier, and is now middle tier. Pikachu was top, then mid, now high-mid. Link's always sucked. Falco's always been top. There's no real way to say whether a character will be better or worse in the next game.
Bravo.
Quote from: Kayo on September 25, 2011, 05:22:28 PM
Slight exaggeration maybe, but she STILL isn't that good. She hasn't been relevant in 10 years. I REALIZE that she's not going anywhere. I'm just tired of her. Pikachu too, but at least he's the "mascot" for Pokemon. Don't absolutely love either of them taking spots that could be used for Pokemon more suitable for fighting.
plus she was worse in Brawl and you know it. She can only keep getting worse from here.
god you're such a fag get the intercourse over it
poekmon more suitable for fighting?
you're a nostalgiafag for like ruby and sapphire becuase you're like ten
gtfo
Quote from: Zero on September 25, 2011, 04:46:41 PM
DOODLE I DEMAND THE SOURCE
Sorry, man, but you just got trolled by Doodle. There are no sources about it. Moreover, it makes no sense that they would split the gameplay engines like that.
Quote from: Custom on September 25, 2011, 05:54:44 PM
god you're such a fag get the intercourse over it
poekmon more suitable for fighting?
you're a nostalgiafag for like ruby and sapphire becuase you're like ten
gtfo
I was kind of thinking pokemon from first gen like Charizard that would have been great by itself but it has to be with squirtle and ivysaur which are okay 3rd gen pokemon suck for fighting stfu
Quote from: Neerb on September 25, 2011, 05:36:19 PM
Who says? Jiggs was low tier, then was top tier, and is now back to low tier. Fox was top tier for two games and is now middle tier. Kirby was top tier, then bottom tier, and is now middle tier. Pikachu was top, then mid, now high-mid. Link's always sucked. Falco's always been top. There's no real way to say whether a character will be better or worse in the next game.
Who says she'll get better?
Quote from: Kayo on September 25, 2011, 06:35:25 PM
Who says she'll get better?
No one; I'm just pointing out that "She can
only keep getting worse" isn't true; she could be worse, she could be better, or she may just remain where she is.
Quote from: Neerb on September 25, 2011, 06:51:45 PM
No one; I'm just pointing out that "She can only keep getting worse" isn't true; she could be worse, she could be better, or she may just remain where she is.
SHE IS LIKELY TO BECOME WORSE.
Is that better? You intercourse ing pricks who hate sayings with slight exaggeration even though they're much simpler to write than being "politically correct" wow you're annoying
SHE IS LIKELY TO BECOME BETTER.
SHE IS LIKELY TO BE EXACTLY THE SAME.
Does caps make me more right?
She is likely to become worse.
I hate you all.
Says the person that hates her and has no evidence.
Quote from: JrDude 益 on September 25, 2011, 07:28:17 PM
Says the person that hates her and has no evidence.
I don't NEED evidence to hate her. It's an opinion. You don't need evidence for an opinion, dumbass.
Besides, I don't necessarily hate Jigglypuff for being Jigglypuff, I hate THAT she's still in Smash. She stopped being relevant, and look at her
(http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-quHPPKHpZsc/TcKTV9nrZqI/AAAAAAAABHk/YDFgsnY757I/s1600/jigglypuff.gif)
That's more cute than threatening. Like Pikachu. Only poor Jigglypuff doesn't have lightning to shock people with. She's a cute but helpless little pink blob with average capabilities that they had to soup up so she could compete in a game alongside, say Bowser.
I don't care that she's staying, since they're not going to take her out since she's been in there so long blah blah blah. I just don't see any reason to keep her in beyond that.
i used her to beat the 51st mission in melee
you can suck it
Quote from: Custom on September 25, 2011, 07:52:57 PM
i used her to beat the 51st mission in melee
you can suck it
i want mewtwo back
gladly
Quote from: Kayo on September 25, 2011, 07:44:25 PM
I don't NEED evidence to hate her. It's an opinion. You don't need evidence for an opinion, dumbass.
Besides, I don't necessarily hate Jigglypuff for being Jigglypuff, I hate THAT she's still in Smash. She stopped being relevant, and look at her
(http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-quHPPKHpZsc/TcKTV9nrZqI/AAAAAAAABHk/YDFgsnY757I/s1600/jigglypuff.gif)
That's more cute than threatening. Like Pikachu. Only poor Jigglypuff doesn't have lightning to shock people with. She's a cute but helpless little pink blob with average capabilities that they had to soup up so she could compete in a game alongside, say Bowser.
I don't care that she's staying, since they're not going to take her out since she's been in there so long blah blah blah. I just don't see any reason to keep her in beyond that.
It's like you completely missed Neerb's point, and you're raging because you don't understand it.
I cannot fathom the derp
Quote from: Kayo on September 25, 2011, 07:44:25 PM
I don't NEED evidence to hate her. It's an opinion. You don't need evidence for an opinion, dumbass.
Besides, I don't necessarily hate Jigglypuff for being Jigglypuff, I hate THAT she's still in Smash. She stopped being relevant, and look at her
(http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-quHPPKHpZsc/TcKTV9nrZqI/AAAAAAAABHk/YDFgsnY757I/s1600/jigglypuff.gif)
That's more cute than threatening. Like Pikachu. Only poor Jigglypuff doesn't have lightning to shock people with. She's a cute but helpless little pink blob with average capabilities that they had to soup up so she could compete in a game alongside, say Bowser.
I don't care that she's staying, since they're not going to take her out since she's been in there so long blah blah blah. I just don't see any reason to keep her in beyond that.
U: "She's likely to become worse"
Me: "and has no evidence."
What makes you think she's gonna be worse? You're opinion. Which isn't evidence. You think she's gonna be worse because you hate her. But for all we know she's gonna become so good that she beats Meta Knight in tier. Who the intercourse knows?
There's no likelihood on whether she's gonna be better or worse... well there is, but the only one who knows is the person designing her fight style. "I'm feeling lazy on Jiggly, so I'm she's probably gonna be worse," or "I'm pumped today. Who am I working on? Jigglypuff? She's likely gonna be much better than Brawl thanks to today" or some weird poop like that.
Quote from: PrinnyOnLowBudgetChris on September 25, 2011, 06:10:29 PM
Sorry, man, but you just got trolled by Doodle. There are no sources about it. Moreover, it makes no sense that they would split the gameplay engines like that.
I remember reading about it. Why wouldn't it make sense? They want a Wii U SSB and a 3DS one. I don't see why they'd make them the exact same game with different characters.
also >trolling about something so silly
who's the intercourse face who deleted my votes
also doodle stop being such a 4CHANMEMES I'M COOLER THAN THE GROUP OF FAGGOTS I HANG OUT WITH HUE HUE HUE faggot, since you're only worse but not being yourself
Oh thank intercourse ing satan the voice of reason is back
Have you guys heard of Project M? It's another brawl mod like Brawl+ but not as poopty.
Quote from: JrDude 益 on September 26, 2011, 12:41:16 AM
U: "She's likely to become worse"
Me: "and has no evidence."
What makes you think she's gonna be worse? You're opinion. Which isn't evidence. You think she's gonna be worse because you hate her. But for all we know she's gonna become so good that she beats Meta Knight in tier. Who the intercourse knows?
Show me where I said I had evidence. Show me. In fact, I said there's no evidence anywhere. My personal view happens to be "She'll get worse". Maybe you think she'll get better? Okay. That's not what I think, but okay. Opinions.
QuoteThere's no likelihood on whether she's gonna be better or worse... well there is, but the only one who knows is the person designing her fight style. "I'm feeling lazy on Jiggly, so I'm she's probably gonna be worse," or "I'm pumped today. Who am I working on? Jigglypuff? She's likely gonna be much better than Brawl thanks to today" or some weird poop like that.
This is only semi-relevant at this point, but still the only thing we're doing is
SPECULATION. That just happens to be the whole point of this thread.
And as such, this is my speculation. I'm contributing to the topic by saying "I don't think Jigglypuff will be any good in SSB4." And there we go. That's what we all should be doing. No harm really.
Jesus intercourse ing christ
Speculate all you want: Jigglypuff is going to be in SSB4 and you're a dumbass if you think otherwise :U
My opinion:
She'll be in Smash 4. But I don't want her there. Her popularity has long since passed. Would rather have a different/better pokemon rep like Mewtwo back or so. Oh well.
Quote from: Nayrman on September 26, 2011, 03:56:35 PM
My opinion:
She'll be in Smash 4. But I don't want her there. Her popularity has long since passed. Would rather have a different/better pokemon rep like Mewtwo back or so. Oh well.
Jigglypuff is so kawaii in Japan. I bet her popularity hasn't died.
Mewtwo is darn scary and freaky, it's gotten overshadowed once, and now it's going to be overshadowed twice.
I'd love Mewtwo to come back in Lucario's place; just have those six important first gens as playable, and 2-5 can be represented by stages and pokeballs.
Quote from: Doodle on September 26, 2011, 03:50:53 PM
Jesus intercourse ing christ
Speculate all you want: Jigglypuff is going to be in SSB4 and you're a dumbass if you think otherwise :U
Even though I said like 5 intercourse ing times that she definitely will be.
Quote from: PrinnyOnLowBudgetChris on September 26, 2011, 04:24:56 PM
Jigglypuff is so kawaii in Japan. I bet her popularity hasn't died.
It has.
Though its still featured on merchandise alongside Pikachu, Piplup, Vulpix, etc.
Quote from: Zero on September 26, 2011, 08:45:08 PM
It has.
Though its still featured on merchandise alongside Pikachu, Piplup, Vulpix, etc.
None of which (bar Pika) are in Brawl.
This means absolutely nothing at all.
It doesn't matter her popularity anymore. She's a 3-time Brawl vet. She's not going anywhere.
Quote from: Riddler21 on September 26, 2011, 09:00:27 PM
It doesn't matter her popularity anymore. She's a 3-time Brawl vet. She's not going anywhere.
And I've said this numerous times. Doesn't mean she's gonna be a top-tier fighter.
You really don't get it, lol
Quote from: Zero on September 26, 2011, 09:30:20 PM
You really don't get it, lol
What's not to get? She's gonna be in Brawl, based on circumstantial evidence. I know that. I just don't think she'll be any better, based on opinion.
You're the one who doesn't get what I'm saying.
kayo maybe you should practice with jigglypuff more
Quote from: Kayo on September 26, 2011, 09:53:23 PM
What's not to get? She's gonna be in Brawl, based on circumstantial evidence. I know that. I just don't think she'll be any better, based on opinion.
You're the one who doesn't get what I'm saying.
Oh no, I get what you're saying. But I'm going to point to this quote:
Quote from: Kayo on September 26, 2011, 09:12:51 PM
And I've said this numerous times. Doesn't mean she's gonna be a top-tier fighter.
No one here said she was going to be a top fighter. Maybe if you'd stop raging so hard about Jiggs you'd see that you're practically arguing with yourself. Chill?
Quote from: Zero on September 27, 2011, 01:15:14 AM
No one here said she was going to be a top fighter. Maybe if you'd stop raging so hard about Jiggs you'd see that you're practically arguing with yourself. Chill?
I said she'll be in, but she won't be good. Then a bunch of people argued with me, as if they KNEW somehow that she'd be better.
I don't think she's ever actually been "bad." Maybe in the original.
You're stating your opinion as fact, which is what everyone is arguing about. "She's gonna be bad" isn't an opinionated sentence. "I think she's gonna be a worthless piece of poop" is though.
All they said was that your opinion isn't fact and that it could go either way. Actually:
Quote from: Kayo on September 27, 2011, 03:27:39 AM
Then a bunch of people argued with me, as if they KNEW somehow that she'd be better.
No. They never once said that they knew for a fact she'd be better. lol stop instigating poop.
Quote from: Doodle on September 27, 2011, 06:40:40 AM
I don't think she's ever actually been "bad." Maybe in the original.
She was bad, then good, then got worse. I just think she'll continue to decline rather than get better again.
Quote from: JrDude 益 on September 27, 2011, 10:19:24 AM
You're stating your opinion as fact, which is what everyone is arguing about. "She's gonna be bad" isn't an opinionated sentence. "I think she's gonna be a worthless piece of poop" is though.
That makes no sense at all. I'm pretty sure I said "I think" and/or "In my opinion" several times in my posts, but you never read my posts anyway so you wouldn't know.
Quote from: Zero on September 27, 2011, 11:19:51 AM
All they said was that your opinion isn't fact and that it could go either way. Actually:
No. They never once said that they knew for a fact she'd be better. lol stop instigating poop.
I say "She could be worse" and all I get back is "YEAH WELL SHE COULD ALSO BE BETTER BECAUSE X, Y, AND Z. YOU DON'T KNOW WHAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT etc" ...which is arguing.
Quote from: Kayo on September 27, 2011, 11:54:50 AM
That makes no sense at all. I'm pretty sure I said "I think" and/or "In my opinion" several times in my posts, but you never read my posts anyway so you wouldn't know.
You don't seem to read your posts either.
"I said she'll be in, but she won't be good."
"
but she won't be good."
"
she won't be good."
Stating as fact without evidence (yes I know you never said you had evidence, but you shouldn't state something as fact unless it IS fact or you have evidence on why it is going to be fact), as you've been doing throughout this thread several times.
You're flat out saying she's gonna be bad. You're not saying "I think" or "in my opinion" like you claim you are, you're just saying "She's gonna suck"
(http://www.friendcodes.com/forums/members/115372-albums13941-picture98418.jpg)
i suck with jigglypuff TAKE HER OUT OF THE GAME EVERYONE ELSE THINKS SHE'S BAD TOO
Jigglypuff is beast in the skies. :3
Quote from: JrDude 益 on September 27, 2011, 12:19:46 PM
You don't seem to read your posts either.
"I said she'll be in, but she won't be good."
"but she won't be good."
"she won't be good."
Stating as fact without evidence (yes I know you never said you had evidence, but you shouldn't state something as fact unless it IS fact or you have evidence on why it is going to be fact), as you've been doing throughout this thread several times.
You're flat out saying she's gonna be bad. You're not saying "I think" or "in my opinion" like you claim you are, you're just saying "She's gonna suck"
I would like you to point out exactly where I stated that it was a fact.
Maybe I didn't say "I think" in that EXACT sentence (I'm sure I did afterwards, but you only read the posts of mine that you feel give you an advantage in your argument, instead of all of them) but I didn't say "It's a definite fact that she's certain to get worse, no question."
Unless I'm confusing you. You seem to be easily confused.
Ah, all this reminds me so much of 2006-2008 on the oldsiders. Arguing about nothing important about Smash Bros. because it's fun. Just a lot more swearing. :P
Quote from: Nayrman on September 27, 2011, 04:57:48 PM
Ah, all this reminds me so much of 2006-2008 on the oldsiders. Arguing about nothing important about Smash Bros. because it's fun. Just a lot more swearing. :P
Fuck you you intercourse ing intercourse of a intercourse er what the intercourse were you intercourse ing trying to say in that intercourse ing post lol link has a hat and so does pikachu's red alt costume
On a side note, what about that R.O.B.? He coming back?
I'm not really sure. Maybe as a veteran. I thought the SSE was his reason for being there in the first place (unless they went out of their way and made him a boss in that story instead).
I hope ROB comes back. He represents the Nintendo hardware itself, and he's a pretty fun character to have around. I'd say he's certainly more relevant than Ice Climbers or Lucas.
Quote from: Kayo on September 27, 2011, 04:09:35 PM
You seem to be easily confused.
Am I the only one that sees what's happening here?
Ugh, I hate ROB. Mostly because I remember him as a peripheral and remember how absolutely terrible he was.
Quote from: Nayrman on September 27, 2011, 06:56:55 PM
Ugh, I hate ROB. Mostly because I remember him as a peripheral and remember how absolutely terrible he was.
The thing is, Nintendo probably knew how terrible he was, which is why they only ever planned two games for him. It existed solely to market the NES as a toy, not a video game.
He is a pretty good character, though. But knowing Nintendo, they will include an Urban Champion character because it was their first fighter and they seem to love it, despite it being awful. Personally, a Joy Mech Fight character would probably be a better surprising fighter than that.
Quote from: Zero on September 27, 2011, 06:45:47 PM
Am I the only one that sees what's happening here?
There's just no point in addressing it at this point.
Quote from: Nayrman on September 27, 2011, 06:56:55 PM
Ugh, I hate ROB. Mostly because I remember him as a peripheral and remember how absolutely terrible he was.
He was a good idea in theory, it just didn't work out. I thought it was pretty interesting how they brought him back: first in MKDS, and then SSBB.
Quote from: Nayrman on September 27, 2011, 04:57:48 PM
Ah, all this reminds me so much of 2006-2008 on the oldsiders. Arguing about nothing important about Smash Bros. because it's fun. Just a lot more swearing. :P
I miss those days. In fact I've barely been arguing at all lately, had to join in when I had the chance.
But regardless, it is obvious it is indeed your opinion Kayo, you're just stating it as fact several times. Saying "Jigglypuff is gonna be bad" is stating as fact. We know it's your opinion, but you're stating it as fact without the "in my opinion" part in it.
I'd say NO ONE FUCKING CARES but that's a lie since I actually hate this thread and everyone who's taken it seriously
so yes, I care, I care such a negative amount that I could only endear myself to the idea that you and all you care about will suffer some humiliating scandal that will erupt you from your neighborhood of choice and you will eventually remember the day in shame. That's what your children will see this thread as, and largely your existence too.
You should read through the whole thread
I should shove my cock in your face until you get blinded by its magnificence
You've already tried that but you couldn't exactly work it.
Quote from: Kayo on September 27, 2011, 07:13:09 PM
He was a good idea in theory, it just didn't work out.
How didn't it? R.O.B. is probably the most unique character we've ever gotten. :U
Quote from: Kayo on September 27, 2011, 07:13:09 PM
He was a good idea in theory, it just didn't work out. I thought it was pretty interesting how they brought him back: first in MKDS, and then SSBB.
oh, now i get the problem
you're an idiot and know nothing about any of the characters in smash bros
everything makes sense now
Quote from: Doodle on September 28, 2011, 07:10:07 AM
How didn't it? R.O.B. is probably the most unique character we've ever gotten. :U
...I wasn't talking about in Smash.
Quote from: Custom on September 28, 2011, 08:08:46 AM
oh, now i get the problem
you're an idiot and know nothing about any of the characters in smash bros
everything makes sense now
Again I wasn't talking about ROB in Smash.
Quote from: Kayo on September 28, 2011, 12:47:58 PM
...I wasn't talking about in Smash.
Again I wasn't talking about ROB in Smash.
please leave and never come back to this thread
you don't belong here
Quote from: Custom on September 28, 2011, 03:14:20 PM
please leave and never come back to this thread
you don't belong here
Except I wasn't even talking about the Brawl character. I'm talking about how a lot of people hated R.O.B. originally way back when, but now he's actually pretty cool.
Quote from: Kayo on September 28, 2011, 03:15:26 PM
Except I wasn't even talking about the Brawl character. I'm talking about how a lot of people hated R.O.B. originally way back when, but now he's actually pretty cool.
we know
shut up and leave this thread
you just post for the sake of posting
i've seen enough
no more smash bros discussion for you
How bout dat Dr. Mario
Quote from: Kayo on September 28, 2011, 03:17:09 PM
How bout dat Dr. Mario
probably an AWFUL character right
But will he be in it?
I think more characters should get alternate costumes like Wario did. Dr. Mario would be a good example.
Also, ALL POKEMON SHOULD HAVE SHINY FORM AS ALTERNATE COLOR. I don't know why this wasn't obvious to them in Brawl; Black Charizard would be freaking awesome.
Quote from: Neerb on September 28, 2011, 04:38:02 PM
I think more characters should get alternate costumes like Wario did. Dr. Mario would be a good example.
Also, ALL POKEMON SHOULD HAVE SHINY FORM AS ALTERNATE COLOR. I don't know why this wasn't obvious to them in Brawl; Black Charizard would be freaking awesome.
-Shiny Pikachu is one shade darker than regular pikachu; this isn't easy to spot
-shiny jigglypuff has green eyes and a slight lavender tinge
-shiny Ivysaur has a green body and a yellow bulb. I think they did the green body in Brawl unless I'm remembering wrong.
they're so simple that i think they might be in there, if even by accident.
Quote from: Kayo on September 28, 2011, 04:41:38 PM
-Shiny Pikachu is one shade darker than regular pikachu; this isn't easy to spot
-shiny jigglypuff has green eyes and a slight lavender tinge
-shiny Ivysaur has a green body and a yellow bulb. I think they did the green body in Brawl unless I'm remembering wrong.
they're so simple that i think they might be in there, if even by accident.
Shiny Pikachu has also been in since ssb64 but w/e. I would love to see shiny palettes that are distinct, like black charizard.
Also Shiny Lucario. Granted, I don't think he's coming back, but if he does, I'd like to see him with his shiny yellow fur and blue waist.
Quote from: Neerb on September 28, 2011, 05:43:40 PM
Also Shiny Lucario. Granted, I don't think he's coming back, but if he does, I'd like to see him with his shiny yellow fur and blue waist.
gross
this thread is an advertisement for genocide
Quote from: Neerb on September 28, 2011, 05:43:40 PM
Also Shiny Lucario. Granted, I don't think he's coming back, but if he does, I'd like to see him with his shiny yellow fur and blue waist.
Except I'm pretty sure that alt actually exists. I don't know for sure since I never use him, but I thought I saw it once.
Quote from: Bearissoslow on September 28, 2011, 06:22:28 PM
this thread is an advertisement for genocide
There are several pages in this thread that make your statement accurate.
Quote from: Kayo on September 28, 2011, 06:23:19 PM
Except I'm pretty sure that alt actually exists. I don't know for sure since I never use him, but I thought I saw it once.
Nope. There's red tinge with red waist, green tinge with green waist, blue with blue waist, and one that's black and gray.
Quote from: Neerb on September 28, 2011, 06:28:45 PM
Nope. There's red tinge with red waist, green tinge with green waist, blue with blue waist, and one that's black and gray.
I could have sworn there was more than that. But whatever.
There is a Shiny Lucario skin in just about every Brawl mod out there.
(http://images.wikia.com/ssb/images/b/bf/Alt-lucario.jpg)
I guess that's all of them. Alright.
Quote from: Zero on September 28, 2011, 06:29:43 PM
There is a Shiny Lucario skin in just about every Brawl mod out there.
I'd rather shiny costumes be built-in next time.
Quote from: Neerb on September 28, 2011, 06:32:47 PM
I'd rather shiny costumes be built-in next time.
It would make sense, though Nintendo HAS been keeping shinies under wraps officially until recently. I wouldn't deem it unlikely, but don't get your hopes up. There's a chance that they don't even regard "hidden" game qualities such as shiny colors when creating all aspects of the fighter.
Quote from: Kayo on September 28, 2011, 06:36:08 PM
It would make sense, though Nintendo HAS been keeping shinies under wraps officially until recently. I wouldn't deem it unlikely, but don't get your hopes up. There's a chance that they don't even regard "hidden" game qualities such as shiny colors when creating all aspects of the fighter.
We're really speculating about whether shiny colors will be one of their palette swaps
Yeah, it's too early for this thread
Quote from: Doodle on September 28, 2011, 06:47:07 PM
We're really speculating about whether shiny colors will be one of their palette swaps
Yeah, it's too early for this thread
? I don't see the problem.
I HOPE THEY GIVE PIKACHU MORE ACCESSORIES
I HOPE THEY LET ME PICK A MARTH THAT REALLY LOOKS LIKE ROY
MAYBE YOU CAN USE COLOR-SWAPPED RETRO MARIO
OH MAN
wario-colored mario 4 ssb4
Quote from: Doodle on September 28, 2011, 06:55:45 PM
MAYBE YOU CAN USE COLOR-SWAPPED RETRO MARIO
OH MAN
WE ALREADY HAVE THAT. AND WHERE THE HECK IS PIKACHU'S WIZARD PARTY HAT?
in your closet with all your sex toys designed to be something a little girl could feasibly use
although feasibly and you having consensual sex with little girls is a very funny sentence in the french understanding of humor
According to IGN, Metaknight has gotten banned for a variety of reasons. Gonna check around and see if it's true or not, but if that's really the case, wow that's pretty big news Smash wise. We all know Capcom pays attention to it's tournament scene for certain things of designing sequels and such. While Nintendo (as we all know) never pays attention to fan opinions on specific things, the fact that a character has gotten banned (again, if true) could be big, at least far as potential balancing goes. Sakurai did state at E3 that it's something he simply has to consider with the roster size.
It is true. It takes affect like next year or something.
IGN? uh...shouldn't you be checking Smash Boards for this kind of information?
Also, yes, its true.
Quote from: Zero on October 03, 2011, 05:33:03 PM
IGN? uh...shouldn't you be checking Smash Boards for this kind of information?
Also, yes, its true.
More like I just was checking it and they reported on it.
Quote from: Nayrman on October 03, 2011, 05:37:01 PM
More like I just was checking it and they reported on it.
Sounds about right.
Quote from: Kayo on September 28, 2011, 06:52:20 PM
? I don't see the problem.
OH NO NO NO NO NO NO NOT AGAIN NO
PAY ATTENTION TO THIS.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZXJwwQU23z4 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZXJwwQU23z4)
Quote from: Qsmash on October 09, 2011, 05:05:28 PM
PAY ATTENTION TO THIS.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZXJwwQU23z4 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZXJwwQU23z4)
too bad it sucks
waluigi is the intercourse ing party game character
he doesn't have any defining characteristics that exist outside of gimmicky games
he doesn't deserve to be acknowledged as a character
Quote from: Bearissoslow on October 09, 2011, 06:24:36 PM
waluigi is the intercourse ing party game character
he doesn't have any defining characteristics that exist outside of gimmicky games
he doesn't deserve to be acknowledged as a character
only times i've ever seen him used for anything important were as like a partner to wario. like how there's mario/luigi and wario/waluigi. you know like in mkdd
why are all of his special moves weird magic poop
Quote from: Doodle on October 09, 2011, 06:30:56 PM
why are all of his special moves weird magic poop
he has no other talent?
waluigi is a filler character
moving along
Quote from: Kayo on October 09, 2011, 06:32:01 PM
he has no other talent?
Make him whack you with a tennis racket or use a baseball or something
That's why Brawl mods are always so poopty. They add nothing to it except "lol look this character's in now :P"
Quote from: Doodle on October 10, 2011, 01:34:26 PM
Make him whack you with a tennis racket or use a baseball or something
That's why Brawl mods are always so poopty. They add nothing to it except "lol look this character's in now :P"
Pretty much. It's not like there's anything he can do. Luigi's pretty much the same way, being almost like a clone of Mario, but at least he had Luigi's Mansion. That's given him a few things over the ages since that Mario didn't have. Then again, Luigi's been around as long as Mario has, so he's as much a classic as Mario himself.
Waluigi, however...
Waluigi could be the Mario spin-offs in playable form, which I frankly think is a decent idea. There are tons of sports games he could take moves from, plus that dancing game, and of course all the Mario Parties. Heck, he could even copy Wario's side special but use a Kart instead of his motorcycle. Waluigi himself is a useless character, but in Smash he could single-handedly represent half of the Mario universe and become a fairly unique fighter if Sakurai put some effort into it.
he sucks
but at this point they're running out of new mario characters to put in. intercourse
Quote from: Zero on October 11, 2011, 09:11:41 AM
he sucks
but at this point they're running out of new mario characters to put in. intercourse
We have Rosalina.
Quote from: PrinnyOnLowBudgetChris on October 11, 2011, 09:16:43 AM
Yes. But anyway, explain.
Just no.
Hey lets have Daisy too while we're at it.
Quote from: Zero on October 11, 2011, 09:18:43 AM
Just no.
Hey lets have Daisy too while we're at it.
I'm asking for an explanation. Rosalina can easily be made into a character if you think really hard.
Quote from: PrinnyOnLowBudgetChris on October 11, 2011, 09:20:05 AM
I'm asking for an explanation. Rosalina can easily be made into a character if you think really hard.
A stick can be made into a character.
Who honestly gives two poops about Rosalina?
Bowser Jr. 4 Universe!
Quote from: Zero on October 11, 2011, 09:22:19 AM
A stick can be made into a character.
Who honestly gives two poops about Rosalina?
Alright, you're not even thinking. Rosalina can be a special kind of fighter. She wouldn't deal the blows herself. Rather, she'd be quite a defensive character using the power of stars with her wand or something.
I'm not thinking? lol
Good idea, but you're missing the point completely.
Quote from: Zero on October 11, 2011, 09:22:19 AM
A stick can be made into a character.
Who honestly gives two poops about Rosalina?
Well SSB does have a stick figure
(http://i57.photobucket.com/albums/g211/JrGuy/NewComerBrickWall.jpg)
Rosalina was in one game, had a cameo in another, and was in a spin-off game. She hardly represents the Mario universe.
That's because she represents the galaxy.
Quote from: Doodle on October 11, 2011, 12:48:44 PM
Rosalina was in one game, had a cameo in another, and was in a spin-off game. She hardly represents the Mario universe.
Delfino Plaza was in one game, and presto, it turned into a stage.
Anything is possible in SSB.
Delfino Plaza represents the main location of an entire Mario game which was the most recent one at Brawl's release. The most they'd do is make a SMG/SMG2 stage and maybe Rosalina as an assist trophy.
Rosalina probably has more going for her than Waluigi, but she's not terribly important. She was an important character in Super Mario Galaxy. Suddenly just because they put her in Mario Kart Wii along with SMG music (Pay close attention on Rainbow Road!) people think she needs to be everywhere? That's not necessarily true. It's nice that she ended up in MKW, because SMG was the big new thing at that time. And yeah, SMG was a great game.
That doesn't mean she needs to be in SSB4. She's not even a classic or anything; she's just a few years old. The vast majority of minor/spin-off/what have you characters appearing in Smash rosters are/were classics. Like Dr. Mario, who's now over 20 years old, and Diddy Kong, who's been around nearly just as long.
Rosalina's not even 5 years old yet.
seriously i hate you all so much my brain hurts
Quote from: Bearissoslow on October 11, 2011, 04:28:19 PM
seriously i hate you all so much my brain hurts
Makes me wonder why you're still here, actually.
Anyway, if that SSBU sheet is true to be believed, that'd imply more ideas out of Mario.
I'm calling Comet Observatory for a stage.
Needs some sort of SMG stage. Actually, battling on a small planetoid in which you can walk around it 360 degrees would be a pretty interesting stage idea.
Quote from: Kayo on October 11, 2011, 02:48:41 PM
Rosalina probably has more going for her than Waluigi, but she's not terribly important. She was an important character in Super Mario Galaxy. Suddenly just because they put her in Mario Kart Wii along with SMG music (Pay close attention on Rainbow Road!) people think she needs to be everywhere? That's not necessarily true. It's nice that she ended up in MKW, because SMG was the big new thing at that time. And yeah, SMG was a great game.
That doesn't mean she needs to be in SSB4. She's not even a classic or anything; she's just a few years old. The vast majority of minor/spin-off/what have you characters appearing in Smash rosters are/were classics. Like Dr. Mario, who's now over 20 years old, and Diddy Kong, who's been around nearly just as long.
Rosalina's not even 5 years old yet.
what are you talking about
rosilina being in smash?
dude, galaxy sold like poop compared to the other games, peach will never be replaced by rosilina
Quote from: Custom on October 11, 2011, 07:05:45 PM
what are you talking about
rosilina being in smash?
dude, galaxy sold like poop compared to the other games, peach will never be replaced by rosilina
i'm saying she WON'T be in Smash, despite her making an appearance even in Mario Kart. Read past the first paragraph.
Quote from: Kayo on October 11, 2011, 07:15:11 PM
i'm saying she WON'T be in Smash, despite her making an appearance even in Mario Kart. Read past the first paragraph.
you can't make me
You know what would be nice? This music track:
or it'd be nice to have nothing from the b/w ost because those games blow
Quote from: Custom on October 11, 2011, 08:27:43 PM
or it'd be nice to have nothing from the b/w ost because those games blow
let's get some real opinions in here.
Quote from: Kayo on October 11, 2011, 08:57:07 PM
let's get some real opinions in here.
they're both valid
i would enjoy some classic pokemon ost
Quote from: Custom on October 11, 2011, 08:59:08 PM
they're both valid
i would enjoy some classic pokemon ost
b/w, if anything, had good legendary music.
Quote from: Kayo on October 11, 2011, 09:00:14 PM
b/w, if anything, had good legendary music.
i remember n's castle had good music
i'd much rather have the metal version of the vs red song
Quote from: Custom on October 11, 2011, 09:01:40 PM
i remember n's castle had good music
i'd much rather have the metal version of the vs red song
i forgot about that oh man
>suddenly pokemon
>implying Pokemon hasn't been an important part in both Nintendo and Smash history
Quote from: Kayo on October 11, 2011, 08:19:20 PM
You know what would be nice? This music track:
I find it odd how Pokémon can have like, so many awesome tracks, that all have a very similar beat
Quote from: JrDude 益 on October 12, 2011, 12:13:40 PM
I find it odd how Pokémon can have like, so many awesome tracks, that all have a very similar beat
Don't you mean how each region has some sort of preferred music style?
Quote from: PrinnyOnLowBudgetChris on October 12, 2011, 12:21:05 PM
Don't you mean how each region has some sort of preferred music style?
That song goes with the trend D/P started for legendaries.
Quote from: JrDude 益 on October 12, 2011, 12:13:40 PM
I find it odd how Pokémon can have like, so many awesome tracks, that all have a very similar beat
That one's pretty interesting though. And of course it will probably get remixed a little for Smash, and if it was in there it would probably sound badass.
you faggots do realize nintendo was doing successful before pokemon, right?
pokemon sales have been good but it's not like it made the intercourse ing systems or anything. they've been handheld mainstays and good at attracting casual gamers. doesn't mean they're the pinnacle of design considering all they've done is made the RPG aspects of a typical JRPG less specific and more broad with less emphasis on strategy and more emphasis on having fun (not that it's a bad thing). the first generation was impressive, everything afterwards was significantly less impressive.
wait you faggots are faggots so you'll never admit that.
i agree
all these kids talk about is pokemans though
Quote from: Custom on October 12, 2011, 03:51:10 PM
i agree
all these kids talk about is pokemans though
You being one.
Quote from: PrinnyOnLowBudgetChris on October 12, 2011, 03:55:50 PM
You being one.
only becuase that's all kayo and you post about
look at your sigs
i'd much rather talk about zelda
Quote from: Bearissoslow on October 12, 2011, 03:47:27 PM
you faggots do realize nintendo was doing successful before pokemon, right?
pokemon sales have been good but it's not like it made the intercourse ing systems or anything. they've been handheld mainstays and good at attracting casual gamers. doesn't mean they're the pinnacle of design considering all they've done is made the RPG aspects of a typical JRPG less specific and more broad with less emphasis on strategy and more emphasis on having fun (not that it's a bad thing). the first generation was impressive, everything afterwards was significantly less impressive.
wait you faggots are faggots so you'll never admit that.
You know Pokemon is like...a multi-billion dollar franchise...right?
Quote from: Zero on October 12, 2011, 04:12:51 PM
You know Pokemon is like...a multi-billion dollar franchise...right?
Not surprising that it came from a troll...
I thought the whole point of video games was having fun.
Quote from: Live‽ on October 12, 2011, 04:29:15 PM
I thought the whole point of video games was having fun.
*Cries*
Quote from: Zero on October 12, 2011, 04:12:51 PM
You know Pokemon is like...a multi-billion dollar franchise...right?
Either he's just badly trolling or he's too intercourse ing stupid to realize that Pokemon games have been bestsellers for 15 years now.
Quote from: Kayo on October 12, 2011, 04:51:40 PM
Either he's just badly trolling or he's too intercourse ing stupid to realize that Pokemon games have been bestsellers for 15 years now.
Troller as a whole like to ignore true reality to create a world where they're the kings of awesome.
Quote from: PrinnyOnLowBudgetChris on October 12, 2011, 04:58:29 PM
Troller as a whole like to ignore true reality to create a world where they're the kings of awesome.
I read the first word of that sentence then instantly put my palm to my face.
I think someone needs to stop using the word troll
Quote from: Kayo on October 12, 2011, 05:08:12 PM
I read the first word of that sentence then instantly put my palm to my face.
Completely missing the point.
Quote from: Zero on October 12, 2011, 04:12:51 PM
You know Pokemon is like...a multi-billion dollar franchise...right?
yes
how does that defeat any of my argument
Quote from: Bearissoslow on October 12, 2011, 05:31:30 PM
yes
how does that defeat any of my argument
The "less impressive" part, I believe.
Quoteall they've done is made the RPG aspects of a typical JRPG less specific and more broad with less emphasis on strategy and more emphasis on having fun (not that it's a bad thing). the first generation was impressive, everything afterwards was significantly less impressive.
that was in the context of
game design[/b], not sales.
i intercourse ing hate that I share my planet with someone as illiterate as you when you've been provided with every chance to not be this intercourse ing stupid
Quote from: Bearissoslow on October 12, 2011, 05:31:30 PM
yes
how does that defeat any of my argument
Your argument has absolutely no basis.
I intercourse ing hate that I share my planet with someone as illiterate as you when you've been provided with every chance to not be this intercourse ing stupid
prove that it has no basis
enlighten me, where did I go wrong?
Quote from: Bearissoslow on October 12, 2011, 05:57:26 PM
prove that it has no basis
enlighten me, where did I go wrong?
Let's try the fact that your entire argument was based on personal opinion. Despite the fact that Pokemon games subsequent to R/B have sold just as good if not better, your underdeveloped mind somehow thinks that Pokemon Red and Blue were the only ones that were any good. Yet, the general public has been buying them all. If Gen II and later were so sub-par, why on earth did people buy them? Pokemon has broken world records in terms of game sales. It's huge for Nintendo.
not to mention that uh, Pokemon sells handhelds. It always has for Nintendo.
u mad Bear?
Quote from: Kayo on October 12, 2011, 06:00:41 PM
Let's try the fact that your entire argument was based on personal opinion.
That's not "has no basis". In fact, you used the word "based" in this sentence. Do we need to take a time out to relearn what words are?
QuoteDespite the fact that Pokemon games subsequent to R/B have sold just as good if not better,
http://vgsales.wikia.com/wiki/Pokemon
yeah sources and you just don't get along do they
fun fact: the sales peaked after RBY at FRLG with only DP being able to match that better.
Quoteyour underdeveloped mind somehow thinks that Pokemon Red and Blue were the only ones that were any good.
but that's not what I said
in fact I don't understand how you got that.
I said that the series was based around having fun, which was a GOOD thing. I also said that the original is the only one with design worth raving about. everything else is formulaic and uninspired, though I do love RSE for the creativity it brought and it's intercourse awesome pokemon. More over, why are you such a intercourse ing moron? This is an irrelevant question but easily the most important.
QuoteYet, the general public has been buying them all. If Gen II and later were so sub-par, why on earth did people buy them?
did I say they were subpar
I mean I intercourse ing think they're subpar but did I say that
no
in fact I didn't even reference Gen II at all you dumb intercourse
your pokerage ability must be kicking in, I better send in Stealth Rock support!
QuotePokemon has broken world records in terms of game sales. It's huge for Nintendo.
okay and? you do realize that Wii sports has sold better than any of the Pokemon games, right? sales don't equate quality, they just equate sales. Nintendo gives a large cock about sales but that doesn't mean Nintendo wasn't thriving before Pokemon.
http://vgsales.wikia.com/wiki/Best_selling_Nintendo_games
nintendogs is only below Pokemon RBY and above every other listed Pokemon game. your point's invalid.
you're not very good at this.
Quote from: Zero on October 12, 2011, 08:34:42 PM
not to mention that uh, Pokemon sells handhelds. It always has for Nintendo.
u mad Bear?
why am I mad? I'm right. sales have nothing to do with the game design, you illiterate monkeys.
I'm not even arguing design. I'm arguing your nonchalant portrayal of Pokemon's sales.
It's like you're completely disregarding just how much intercourse ing money Nintendo has made off of this poop. They may have had more than modest success before Pokemon, but they exploded after Pokemon came out.
Quote from: Bearissoslow on October 12, 2011, 03:47:27 PM
you faggots do realize nintendo was doing successful before pokemon, right?
pokemon sales have been good but it's not like it made the intercourse ing systems or anything.
They did make the intercourse ing systems. Pokemon software sold Nintendo hardware. It's that simple.
Wii sports is mostly or wholly because it was packaged with the Wii itself. Also Wii sports is at like 76 million and that vgsales wikia is out of date.
Quote from: Zero on October 12, 2011, 08:48:51 PM
I'm not even arguing design. I'm arguing your nonchalant portrayal of Pokemon's sales.
they're mainstays, I've said that. what the intercourse did you think I said?
It's like you're completely disregarding just how much intercourse ing money Nintendo has made off of this poop. They may have had more than modest success before Pokemon, but they exploded after Pokemon came out.
"sales don't equate quality, they just equate sales. Nintendo gives a large cock about sales but that doesn't mean Nintendo wasn't thriving before Pokemon."
by my favorite author me
They did make the intercourse ing systems. Pokemon software sold Nintendo hardware. It's that simple.
Pokemon Stadium games barely broke a million iirc, which is good but not great considering how well RBY did. The Colloseum games are embarrassing to even mention and I hope you don't consider them legitimate. haven't played BR, don't want to, doubt it sold well. Snap was fun but again, doubt it sold well
i actually have that source too but I'm honestly too lazy to reference it again.
edit intercourse it I'll use my source now
stadium sold roughly 5 million worldwide, which is roughly a fourth of the sales RBY garnered in. unimpressive considering the threshold but still a profit and a good one. snap got 2 and a half million ish, which is better than I expected. colloseum games both broke 1 million but Japan was a little more than half of that, which is significant since japan's usually the large majority between US and itself. also I just realized Yellow is itself considered a separate entity, which got 8 million ish sales. that's 28 million sales based off of RBY. Kayo's even more wrong now what a boner
also live go intercourse yourself. that was the intercourse ing point you idiot. also, if my source is so terrible, find me a better one.
you faggots annoy me.
Why are some of your posts censored and some of them not censored? I've been noticing this for a little bit now.
ask the censor that I'm too lazy to turn off
Notice how none of those are handheld games, which is what I was talking about. Who the intercourse bought a Gamecube to play Pokemon Channel?
and honestly all I was really doing was arguing semantics because I'm an asshat. "Good" is an understatement when referring to the amount of money generated from the Pokemon franchise or the amount of Pokemon video games sold.
yes and we were mentioning how they made the systems
stay consistent you converted moron, i remember when you used to be not stupid
and I've acknowledged that. i'm aware that a million is good; I'm talking comparatively.
Quote from: Bearissoslow on October 12, 2011, 09:21:53 PM
yes and we were mentioning how they made the systems
Pokemon moves hardware. Any title that does this "makes" the system imo, but by having this opinion its not as if I suddenly believe Pokemon to be the pinnacle of role playing games. It's far from it. SORRY BEAR I DIDN'T MEAN TO SOUND LIKE A POKEFAG.
stay consistent you converted moron, i remember when you used to not be stupid
fixed.
and I've acknowledged that. i'm aware that a million is good; I'm talking comparatively.
oh then whatever. i'm just being an poop hole. moving along.
Wow Bear I've never seen someone more retarded. We could sit here and compare Pokemon games to other games on their respective systems, couldn't we? Why not look at the GBC's best selling game? Pokemon Gold and Silver, which according to you are FUCKING TERRIBLE, are at the top of the list along LoZ Oracles.
Yet you say that R/B were the only good Pokemon games. I'm just glad you didn't give us any poop about B/W selling the least because that would have put you over the retard line, as the games have only been out for a few months. Did we mention how well they sold within the first few days? How many other NDS games did that well in 48 hours?
brb shooting up some pokecrack
Quote from: Kayo on October 12, 2011, 09:36:23 PM
Wow Bear I've never seen someone more retarded. We could sit here and compare Pokemon games to other games on their respective systems, couldn't we? Why not look at the GBC's best selling game? Pokemon Gold and Silver, which according to you are FUCKING TERRIBLE, are at the top of the list along LoZ Oracles.
Yet you say that R/B were the only good Pokemon games. I'm just glad you didn't give us any poop about B/W selling the least because that would have put you over the retard line, as the games have only been out for a few months. Did we mention how well they sold within the first few days? How many other NDS games did that well in 48 hours?
i'm laughing at you for not only failing to respond to my facts, but then also channeling all your pokerage in one of the most embarrassingly blunt FUCK OFF YOU DON'T LOVE POKEMON AS MUCH AS ME YOU FUCKING CUNT posts.
the funniest part is that I know it's only because you're mad off as intercourse that i have the audacity to talk about pokemon gameplay and then also talk about how the sales haven't been as good. it's like I'm committing heresy by looking at a game series critically and
you intercourse ing hate it.
fact of the matter is you hate pokemon. you don't want to talk about pokemon as a series, or its gameplay, you just want to talk about how much you love chandelure and bullpoop like that. you couldn't care less about anything else about the game. you're a pokefurry in denial and you've basically posted your first coming out post. honestly, I haven't felt so superior to someone in a long time.
this is bully month, right? how fitting.
I'm long done on that matter but it's nice if I could post a cool idea for a battle music track without getting my ass jumped on kthx
no
i'll jump on you whenever you act stupid and whip your dick out to anything with pokemon in it and you'll either ignore me or live with it
chances are you won't though, you care too much about what an internet random says.
Quote from: Kayo on October 12, 2011, 09:36:23 PM
Wow Bear I've never seen someone more retarded.
You're forgetting someone.
Also, the posts of his that are censored are the posts he edited. The censors censor things for him when he sees it, and keep it censored when he quotes/edits it. He can take the censors out when he edits or quotes, but he will still SEE the censored version.
I think.
jesus intercourse ing christ
shut the intercourse up about pokemon, kayo
I hope the Fire Emblem (Together We Ride!) theme makes it back in
Fuck I hope that whole big Zelda temple level makes it back in
that's a good level
if they bring marth back I refuse to buy th egame
I hope the Battle Theme from Fire Emblem: The Sword of Flame comes back. Also, we have Marth and Ike, but I want a representative from Roy's series too. It doesn't even have to be Roy (even though he would be best); it could be Lyn or Eliwood (although that might confuse people) or Hector. Actually, we do have that 3DS game coming out, and I've heard that's part of Roy's series; the main character of that game might work.
Quote from: Bearissoslow on October 13, 2011, 07:03:22 AM
if they bring marth back I refuse to buy th egame
lol
of all reasons
Quote from: Bearissoslow on October 13, 2011, 07:03:22 AM
if they bring marth back I refuse to buy th egame
if they don't bring marth back i refuse to buy the game
also, i hope they get rid of ike
he was garbage
roy was way cooler
Quote from: Custom on October 13, 2011, 09:16:39 AM
also, i hope they get rid of ike
he was garbage
roy was way cooler
(http://i457.photobucket.com/albums/qq292/BalladOfGales/both.png)
Quote from: Custom on October 13, 2011, 06:10:53 AM
I hope the Fire Emblem (Together We Ride!) theme makes it back in
Fuck I hope that whole big Zelda temple level makes it back in
that's a good level
hyrule temple
oh god so many memories
yes please
Quote from: Neerb on October 13, 2011, 09:24:44 AM
(http://i457.photobucket.com/albums/qq292/BalladOfGales/both.png)
Let's also put in Wigglytuff in addition to Jigglypuff too.
Ike will probably be thrown out for whatever FE character is the newest, unless they decide to give FE 3-4 characters.
Quote from: Kayo on October 13, 2011, 11:52:52 AM
Let's also put in Wigglytuff in addition to Jigglypuff too.
Put in ALL the pokeymanz!
Quote from: Custom on October 13, 2011, 09:16:39 AM
if they don't bring marth back i refuse to buy the game
also, i hope they get rid of ike
he was garbage
roy was way cooler
twenty faggot points for you
Quote from: Nayrman on October 13, 2011, 01:01:05 PM
Put in ALL the pokeymanz!
That could be theorically impossible. At 600 characters, the game would crash.
Quote from: Doodle on October 13, 2011, 12:02:04 PM
Ike will probably be thrown out for whatever FE character is the newest, unless they decide to give FE 3-4 characters.
I still wish they'd have put in Erika, Ephraim, or Hector. Female sword user, spear user, or axe user > Ike.
Quote from: PrinnyOnLowBudgetChris on October 13, 2011, 03:20:29 PM
That could be theorically impossible. At 600 characters, the game would crash.
I thought your Nintendo could do anything.
Quote from: Riddler21 on October 13, 2011, 03:34:28 PM
I still wish they'd have put in Erika, Ephraim, or Hector. Female sword user, spear user, or axe user > Ike.
AHAHAHAHA FAGGOT
Eirika is a boring worthless character. Ephraim displays all of two emotions: bloodlust and anger. Hector is just unreasonable to expect since he's the secondary character in Eliwood's story, which is the main story.
You'd be better off arguing Lyn, since she was at least an assist trophy.
Also, Ike's a cool nigga and you love poop if you disagree.
Quote from: Kayo on October 13, 2011, 11:52:52 AM
Let's also put in Wigglytuff in addition to Jigglypuff too.
Except that I'm not just pulling random characters out of nowhere out of ignorant fanboyism.
Fire Emblem is divided into three main series: Marth's, Roy's, and Ike's. We already have Marth and Ike in; if Nintendo added Lyn (who has already appeared as an AT), one of the upcoming new characters (practically advertising, which is what got Marth and Roy into Melee in the first place), or even just bothered to bring Roy back, FE would have basically the entire series represented. One more non-Mario/Zelda/Pokemon/StarFox/Kirby character isn't going to hurt anything, and seeing as how FE has been around since the Famicom, they've kinda earned it; it's not like I'm suggesting we have 3 Pikmin characters.
Quote from: Neerb on October 13, 2011, 04:22:19 PM
Except that I'm not just pulling random characters out of nowhere out of ignorant fanboyism.
Fire Emblem is divided into three main series: Marth's, Roy's, and Ike's. We already have Marth and Ike in; if Nintendo added Lyn (who has already appeared as an AT), one of the upcoming new characters (practically advertising, which is what got Marth and Roy into Melee in the first place), or even just bothered to bring Roy back, FE would have basically the entire series represented. One more non-Mario/Zelda/Pokemon/StarFox/Kirby character isn't going to hurt anything, and seeing as how FE has been around since the Famicom, they've kinda earned it; it's not like I'm suggesting we have 3 Pikmin characters.
you know I'm starting to like you
you are definitely earning points my friend
Quote from: Bearissoslow on October 13, 2011, 03:43:52 PM
AHAHAHAHA FAGGOT
Eirika is a boring worthless character. Ephraim displays all of two emotions: bloodlust and anger. Hector is just unreasonable to expect since he's the secondary character in Eliwood's story, which is the main story.
You'd be better off arguing Lyn, since she was at least an assist trophy.
Also, Ike's a cool nigga and you love poop if you disagree.
Sacred Stones was my favorite FE game intercourse you >_>;
And Bloodlust and Anger would be fine. Plus he uses spears. Fuck yeah.
This page reminded me of how the only Fire Emblem game I've played is a translated version of the one Roy is in. :U
sacred stones is the one that's good but not that great cry blood
also not really. if you're fine with that, then what's wrong with Ike?
Starfy y/n
you must be superman 4
Quote from: Bearissoslow on October 13, 2011, 06:08:54 PM
sacred stones is the one that's good but not that great cry blood
also not really. if you're fine with that, then what's wrong with Ike?
SPEARS MAN. SPEARS.
you would love phallic incest spears wouldn't you?
brotip: eirika and ephraim get married in the end. it's confirmed because their lances are named after an incestuous legend iirc and they're royalty, which means lolinbreeding.
riddler supports inbreeding and phallic imagery vote for me 2012
Quote from: Bearissoslow on October 13, 2011, 07:24:26 PM
eirika and ephraim get married in the end.
lie. she can marrie Seth, Salleh, or Innes.
Quote from: Riddler21 on October 13, 2011, 07:40:50 PM
lie. she can marrie Seth, Salleh, or Innes.
haha yeah and eliwood can marry fiora just like hector can marry florina yeah you're right haha
Like the SSE, they should make another adventure mode, but.....question is, whatelse should be in it? I mean yeah, they did the whole cross dimensional setup, they need something a little different i think.
Quote from: Chris93 on October 19, 2011, 07:27:08 AM
Like the SSE, they should make another adventure mode, but.....question is, whatelse should be in it? I mean yeah, they did the whole cross dimensional setup, they need something a little different i think.
ADVENTURE MODE.
Quote from: PrinnyOnLowBudgetChris on October 19, 2011, 07:47:13 AM
ADVENTURE MODE.
yes...adventure mode, but what will it be? *cue dramatic squirrel*
Quote from: Chris93 on October 19, 2011, 08:02:22 AM
yes...adventure mode, but what will it be? *cue dramatic squirrel*
Mix every world, make a story out of it, and forget about using a barren land as the main setting. World hoping is the way to go.
Quote from: PrinnyOnLowBudgetChris on October 19, 2011, 08:16:25 AM
Mix every world, make a story out of it, and forget about using a barren land as the main setting. World hoping is the way to go.
I second this. Melee's Adventure was way more enjoyable than SSE.
Yes, that was what I was thinking. And well I just thought of an idea. Leveled items?? Just an idea.
They'll probably just use the basics of Melee's adventure mode and throw in a decent plot to go with it.
decent?
lol
I just hope that they keep Lucas AND Ness in, just as they are. They're both awesome characters.
However, give them NOT poop music/stages PLEASE? Only Mother music I liked in brawl was the ones Melee had. And Fourside I only KIND OF liked, and it wasn't even in Brawl anyway.
Also, make Jigglypuff top tier again. She kicked so much ass in Melee.
New Pork City was an awful level. I wouldn't mind another big level, because I like Temple every now and again, but New Pork City felt like a very poorly designed custom stage.
Quote from: Neerb on October 20, 2011, 07:33:31 AM
New Pork City was an awful level. I wouldn't mind another big level, because I like Temple every now and again, but New Pork City felt like a very poorly designed custom stage.
For once I actually agree with you. Hyrule was a fun stage to play on. This, however, simply was not.
New Pork City was just kind of a boring stage to play on. Brawl had a lot of silly stages.
Rumble Falls was a terrible stage, and Mushroomy Kingdom, though creative, wasn't really a good type of stage for SSB.
44 pages and has anyone pointed out the error in the title?
Anyway, will they put in another Pokemon Stadium type stage? I'm doubting this but it's not impossible.
Quote from: Tiger Barb on October 19, 2011, 10:03:56 PM
However, give them NOT poop music/stages PLEASE? Only Mother music I liked in brawl was the ones Melee had. And Fourside I only KIND OF liked, and it wasn't even in Brawl anyway.
Quote from: Tiger Barb on October 19, 2011, 10:03:56 PM
However, give them NOT poop music/stages PLEASE? Only Mother music I liked in brawl was the ones Melee had. And Fourside I only KIND OF liked, and it wasn't even in Brawl anyway.
Quote from: Doodle on October 20, 2011, 03:35:50 PM
New Pork City was just kind of a boring stage to play on. Brawl had a lot of silly stages.
Rumble Falls was a terrible stage, and Mushroomy Kingdom, though creative, wasn't really a good type of stage for SSB.
I would have loved Mushroomy Kingdom if it was Mushroom Kingdom. The grass, the bricks, the color, the life, the clouds... a visually faithful version of World 1-1 (and 1-2) would have been great, or even an ORIGINAL version with sprites like the levels from 64 and Melee, but instead we got garbage brown desert land. On that note, I want a Mario Sprite level again, because I liked the first two a lot.
Quote from: Kayo on October 20, 2011, 04:29:40 PM
Anyway, will they put in another Pokemon Stadium type stage? I'm doubting this but it's not impossible.
I'd really prefer more in-game locations. Stadium 1, Pokefloats, and Stadium 2 were all enjoyable in their own way, but how about less generic stages like Saffron City and Spear Pillar? Any interesting B/W locations come to mind? Or maybe something from Hoenn, since the remakes are probably on their way?
N's Castle.
nothing from B/W should even be considered music-wise unless it's the new gym leader theme (not the low HP one FUCK THAT one) or the Team Plasma theme.
castelia city was cool too but i want something i can murder a pikachu to
the reshiram/zekrom themes are good
not everything about those games are poop guys, christ
I think the problem is that Pokemon never really has any noteworthy locations for stages.
Quote from: Neerb on October 20, 2011, 09:25:33 PM
I would have loved Mushroomy Kingdom if it was Mushroom Kingdom. The grass, the bricks, the color, the life, the clouds... a visually faithful version of World 1-1 (and 1-2) would have been great, or even an ORIGINAL version with sprites like the levels from 64 and Melee, but instead we got garbage brown desert land. On that note, I want a Mario Sprite level again, because I liked the first two a lot.
I'd really prefer more in-game locations. Stadium 1, Pokefloats, and Stadium 2 were all enjoyable in their own way, but how about less generic stages like Saffron City and Spear Pillar? Any interesting B/W locations come to mind? Or maybe something from Hoenn, since the remakes are probably on their way?
Something from Hoenn could definitely be done. Mt. Pyre summit? WITH THE MUSIC?
WANT. SO MUCH.
Quote from: Doodle on October 21, 2011, 07:03:34 PM
I think the problem is that Pokemon never really has any noteworthy locations for stages.
No obvious ones at least. Other games have crucial boss fighting areas or whatever, while Pokemon has... towns. There ARE some places that could be used, but many of them are minimally important to the plot of any story, so despite being a good fighting location, it's not extremely significant. Mt. Pyre though, being a fairly important place in RSE, could make a really cool stage.
uh
-Celadon Cave
-Viridian Forest
-Cycling Road
-Safari Zone
-Mt. Silver
-Whirl Islands
just off the top of my head. With some creativity these could be good locations.
Quote from: Zero on October 21, 2011, 09:11:03 PM
uh
-Celadon Cave
-Viridian Forest
-Cycling Road
-Safari Zone
-Mt. Silver
-Whirl Islands
just off the top of my head. With some creativity these could be good locations.
>Cycling Road
All I can imagine is another Mario Kart stage where you're constantly dodging cyclists.
Quote from: Zeromus on October 21, 2011, 09:16:52 PM
>Cycling Road
All I can imagine is another Mario Kart stage where you're constantly dodging cyclists.
Yup.
Or maybe some Slugma and Fearow can come out and intercourse with players. idk
Safari Zone, floating platform stage like Delfino Plaza/F-Zero stages.
Float through each area of the Safari Zone, sight-see, and see the Golden Teeth on the ground as an easter egg.
In timed battles, when they end, you hear the announcer.
AND THERE GOES THE BATTLE
Quote from: Zero on October 21, 2011, 09:11:03 PM
uh
-Celadon Cave
-Viridian Forest
-Cycling Road
-Safari Zone
-Mt. Silver
-Whirl Islands
just off the top of my head. With some creativity these could be good locations.
I'm assuming that first one was meant to be "Cerulean Cave" --Y'know, where Mewtwo was.
But yeah, if they could make stages like Yoshi's Island or what have you, all of those could work. For Cycling Road I'm picturing either a sloped one, like 1st gen's, or the one in R/S... The stage would have both the top and bottom that you could go between, maybe stage Pokemon jumped out at you on the bottom and bikes flew by on the top, both potentially causing damage. And you could go between the two levels easily.
But yeah there's plenty that could be done.
"viridian forest"
i stopped taking you seriously there
Pokemon Tower.
Ghosts everywhere.
Marowak throwing bones at the top.
Quote from: Zeromus on October 22, 2011, 09:01:25 PM
Pokemon Tower.
Ghosts everywhere.
Marowak throwing bones at the top.
Just how many floors do you plan on cramming into that?
Quote from: Kayo on October 22, 2011, 09:02:44 PM
Just how many floors do you plan on cramming into that?
Climbing stage like Icicle Mountain/Rumble Falls.
Not quite sure how you'd get back to the bottom though.
Quote from: Zeromus on October 22, 2011, 09:05:08 PM
Climbing stage like Icicle Mountain/Rumble Falls.
Not quite sure how you'd get back to the bottom though.
Change floors by using mist.
Quote from: Zeromus on October 22, 2011, 09:05:08 PM
Climbing stage like Icicle Mountain/Rumble Falls.
Not quite sure how you'd get back to the bottom though.
Exactly.
The original tower has only what, 6 floors? Too little to scroll yet too much to cram on a static screen.
Quote from: Bearissoslow on October 22, 2011, 04:46:27 PM
"viridian forest"
i stopped taking you seriously there
i wasn't
Quote from: Zeromus on October 22, 2011, 09:05:08 PM
Climbing stage like Icicle Mountain/Rumble Falls.
Not quite sure how you'd get back to the bottom though.
It's haunted; the floors are infinite!
And on that note, I suddenly wonder what it would be like to fight on Bowser's infinite staircase.
Quote from: Neerb on October 23, 2011, 10:29:56 AM
It's haunted; the floors are infinite!
And on that note, I suddenly wonder what it would be like to fight on Bowser's infinite staircase.
Tripping = Endless Rolling.
Quote from: Neerb on October 23, 2011, 10:29:56 AM
It's haunted; the floors are infinite!
And on that note, I suddenly wonder what it would be like to fight on Bowser's infinite staircase.
why would you
honest opinions on poop:
lucario will be replaced by zorark
there will be a new generic fire emblem character
however
if marth is replaced by teh new guy and then ike stays i'll be intercourse ing mad to hell
the great deku tree will be a playable character
Quote from: Custom on October 24, 2011, 01:52:16 AM
the great deku tree will be a playable character
GOTYAY
My mom loves this game; she wants to get a Wii for Christmas just to play Super Smash Bros.
what nintendo characters are even left that aren't generic or gay?
waluigi?
Quote from: Zero on October 24, 2011, 10:02:35 AM
what nintendo characters are even left that aren't generic or gay?
waluigi?
A lot of the ATs from Brawl could have their series represented.
Quote from: Zero on October 24, 2011, 10:02:35 AM
what nintendo characters are even left that aren't generic or gay?
waluigi?
waluigi is both generic and gay
i lied, intercourse one robot
put in unlockable parts from custom robo and have a customizable robot character to use
that'd be badass
Quote from: Neerb on October 24, 2011, 10:31:10 AM
A lot of the ATs from Brawl could have their series represented.
sorry nintendogs, devil, sim city guy, and advance wars tanks aren't exactly good characters
the guy from sin and punishment would just be weird but I could live with it
one of the Ray Custom Robo's would be alright too I guess
Waluigi is probably inevitible
intercourse shadow
other than that I don't remember any, so you're going to have to refresh my memory
Who says those characters that aren't quite enough to be playable can't be assist trophies or whatever?
The moment Mr. Game & Watch was introduced in Melee, it opened lots of possibilities.
Quote from: PrinnyOnLowBudgetChris on October 24, 2011, 01:05:15 PM
The moment Mr. Game & Watch was introduced in Melee, it opened lots of possibilities.
This better not be in response to my post, because Mr. Game & Watch had so many abilities based on all the games he was in, that it really seems fight for him to be a playable character instead of an assist.
Quote from: Zero on October 24, 2011, 11:09:05 AM
Waluigi is probably inevitible
I hope you're not serious.
Isaac - Golden Sun.
Little Mac - Punch-Out!!
Mr. Resetti - Animal Crossing (intercourse you I'd still like this and he has legs now.)
Ray MK III - Custom Robo
Samurai Goroh - Second F-Zero rep.
If they keep Snake, Gray Fox or Raiden could easily make it in.
Hell, Black Shadow would work as a second F-Zero rep, since he IS technically the villain.
Quote from: Zeromus on October 24, 2011, 02:30:30 PM
I hope you're not serious.
Isaac - Golden Sun.
Little Mac - Punch-Out!!
Mr. Resetti - Animal Crossing (intercourse you I'd still like this and he has legs now.)
Ray MK III - Custom Robo
Samurai Goroh - Second F-Zero rep.
little mac would be boring and mr resetti would be a joke
riddler has anyone told you that you're remarkably faggoty today?
Golden Sun is a terrible game and Isaac is an uninteresting character that no one cares about.
little mac has absolutely nothing but punching going for him. that makes for a boring character, and no this isn't an opportunity for you to show me all your thought out character sets
resetti is from a bad game as well and has absolutely no defining characteristics in terms of physicality besides being a mole.
custom robo poop makes me laugh since you don't realize that they're intended to be nearly microscopic. argue your ridley and kirby poop all you want, this has been legitimately established in story and could not be feasible
samurai goroh who even gives a intercourse about the F Zero series.
Quote from: Bearissoslow on October 24, 2011, 03:11:09 PM
custom robo poop makes me laugh since you don't realize that they're intended to be nearly microscopic. argue your ridley and kirby poop all you want, this has been legitimately established in story and could not be feasible
Olimar's tiny as intercourse , even in the cutscenes, but he's normal size anyway
Since when does "legitimacy of story" mean poop in a crossover game, anyway
olimar's small in brawl too
besides look at the comparisons in that one level
the proportion of him to a bulborb is pretty accurate, if not a little larger.
Custom Robos are 6"-1' tall in their continuity.
Olimar is 1".
They always scale characters at least a bit, to make everything more fair. Bowser's size fluctuates a bit between Smash and Mario games, and it's no big deal.
Quote from: Zeromus on October 24, 2011, 02:30:30 PM
I hope you're not serious.
Isaac - Golden Sun.
Little Mac - Punch-Out!!
Mr. Resetti - Animal Crossing (intercourse you I'd still like this and he has legs now.)
Ray MK III - Custom Robo
Samurai Goroh - Second F-Zero rep.
It's practically inevitable that another Mario character is getting in and Waluigi is an obvious choice. He's a "party" filler character but Smash is a party game anyway. Mario is the big cheese franchise, chances are it'll happen. Don't like the character but how i feel about him doesn't really matter.
Also you're high off your ass if you think Goroh is relevant enough. The only F-Zero character people give a poop about is Falcon. Goroh is intercourse ing stupid. Black Bull is even worse.
Quote from: Neerb on October 24, 2011, 06:28:33 PM
Custom Robos are 6"-1' tall in their continuity.
Olimar is 1".
"Custom Robos are six feet"
i stopped taking you seriously there
Quote from: Bearissoslow on October 24, 2011, 07:06:46 PM
"Custom Robos are six feet"
i stopped taking you seriously there
You don't seem to know how to read the English measuring system.
"holosseums" must've been that story element that just didn't exist for you
i think we should put bible black characters in
i want John the Baptist. i imagine him as the everyman.
Quote from: Bearissoslow on October 24, 2011, 03:11:09 PM
riddler has anyone told you that you're remarkably faggoty today?
Golden Sun is a terrible game and Isaac is an uninteresting character that no one cares about.
little mac has absolutely nothing but punching going for him. that makes for a boring character, and no this isn't an opportunity for you to show me all your thought out character sets
resetti is from a bad game as well and has absolutely no defining characteristics in terms of physicality besides being a mole.
custom robo poop makes me laugh since you don't realize that they're intended to be nearly microscopic. argue your ridley and kirby poop all you want, this has been legitimately established in story and could not be feasible
samurai goroh who even gives a intercourse about the F Zero series.
So basically you're a faggot with no taste in video games whatsoever? Cool.
"no taste"
someone's mad that I'm not in love with "my first RPG: Pokemon included!". that's funny
Quote from: Bearissoslow on October 24, 2011, 08:08:23 PM
"no taste"
someone's mad that I'm not in love with "my first RPG: Pokemon included!". that's funny
The fact that you said
QuoteGolden Sun is a terrible game and Isaac is an uninteresting character that no one cares about.
means you lose any credibility in anything you say.
Quote from: Bearissoslow on October 24, 2011, 08:08:23 PM
"no taste"
someone's mad that I'm not in love with "my first RPG: Pokemon included!". that's funny
Itt Riddler ninnyes endlessly about Bear's trolling, which he took seriously.
Rob rages at everyone who doesn't agree with him, whether it be a troll or someone with good reason.
Anyway, Waluigi is not gonna make it as a character, and neither is Goroh. You can rage and complain all you want.
Anyone else mentioned recently (that wasn't a troll/joke), I think has a chance, though I doubt Resetti, meh, I feel like there's a small amount of hope for him. I don't want him, and I doubt him.
Look I hate Waluigi but I don't see any other Mario character having more of a chance than he does.
bowser jr
Quote from: Custom on October 25, 2011, 08:44:57 AM
bowser jr
hey its better than intercourse ing toon link
Quote from: Zero on October 25, 2011, 08:53:21 AM
hey its better than intercourse ing toon link
toon link is better than waluigi though
Quote from: Custom on October 25, 2011, 08:54:20 AM
toon link is better than waluigi though
meh
too similar to link
I Love Waluigi, in fact, he's one of the characters I will most often choose in the games he's in.
Doesn't change the fact that he won't be playable in SSB4.
Quote from: JrDude 益 on October 25, 2011, 09:37:25 AM
I Love Waluigi, in fact, he's one of the characters I will most often choose in the games he's in.
Doesn't change the fact that he won't be playable in SSB4.
That really isn't a fact.
How are his chances any worse than other Mario characters?
Quote from: Zero on October 25, 2011, 09:44:24 AM
That really isn't a fact.
How are his chances any worse than other Mario characters?
I can't believe you're actually serious.
Quote from: Zeromus on October 25, 2011, 10:23:45 AM
I can't believe you're actually serious.
When you speculate with a game like this, you do it based on relevance.
Just for example, Goroh is hardly more relevant than Waluigi. I'll laugh so hard if you try to say otherwise.
Like I said, there aren't many Mario characters left anyway.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zEMvtpNy_BI&feature=related
Quote from: Zero on October 25, 2011, 09:44:24 AM
That really isn't a fact.
How are his chances any worse than other Mario characters?
How many games was Waluigi the protagonist in?
Quote from: Zero on October 25, 2011, 08:53:21 AM
hey its better than intercourse ing toon link
1. Toon Link represents every cel-shaded Zelda game.
2. Fuck your poop
I could see Baby Bowser or Kamek as a Yoshi character, though
Quote from: Doodle on October 25, 2011, 12:50:41 PM
1. Toon Link represents every cel-shaded Zelda game.
2. Fuck your poop
I could see Baby Bowser or Kamek as a Yoshi character, though
We already have Link. Having two Links is intercourse ing stupid and trying to argue otherwise is admitting to me that you have ass burgers. By the way, you know that Skyward Sword is cel-shaded, right?
Secondly, I'd be down for Baby Bowser/Kamek. Hope its a possibility.
Quote from: Kayo on October 25, 2011, 12:09:59 PM
How many games was Waluigi the protagonist in?
None.
How many games was Zelda/Shiek the protagonist in? Falco? Jigglypuff? Wolf? ROB?
That argument isn't strong enough. Try again.
Something you faggots have yet to do is come up with a Mario character that is more relevant than the gay filler character that is Waluigi.
I already mentioned Rosalina. Shoot me, Zero.
Well, that's a decent point. :U
>main series game
>pivotal character
>flexible moveset
Quote from: PrinnyOnLowBudgetChris on October 25, 2011, 01:03:59 PM
I already mentioned Rosalina. Shoot me, Zero.
Oh man a character that was in one main game(was in mario kart and had a brief appearance in SMG2) that no one outside of deviantart gives a intercourse about
hardly more relevant than Waluigi
she's Peach with a different hairstyle. At most she'd be a costume, and even though Galaxy came out in 07 she had next to no appearances in Brawl. Stickers hardly count.
Waluigi was a god darn assist trophy, and you know that's where they'll look first when thinking of new characters.
was bored and looked up her abilities
she can shield herself and float
I can see it now, a Peach/Zelda hybrid that attacks with Lumas.
ugh
they should turn EVERY sticker into a character
Quote from: Zero on October 25, 2011, 01:14:59 PM
Oh man a character that was in one main game(was in mario kart and had a brief appearance in SMG2) that no one outside of deviantart gives a intercourse about
hardly more relevant than Waluigi
she's Peach with a different hairstyle. At most she'd be a costume, and even though Galaxy came out in 07 she had next to no appearances in Brawl. Stickers hardly count.
Waluigi was a god darn assist trophy, and you know that's where they'll look first when thinking of new characters.
One main game > zero main games.
Waluigi is completely irrelevant no matter what context you put him in. For intercourse s sake BIRDO is more relevant than him. Bowser Jr. as well.
Toad is more relevant than Waluigi.
I think Waluigi as an assist trophy and the Mario Kart stage was enough representation for Mario spin-offs.
riddler your mass faggotry is reaching dangerous levels
Quote from: Zeromus on October 25, 2011, 03:27:56 PM
One main game > zero main games.
Waluigi is completely irrelevant no matter what context you put him in. For intercourse s sake BIRDO is more relevant than him. Bowser Jr. as well.
Toad is more relevant than Waluigi.
Going by that logic Jigglypuff shouldn't be in the game. You're horrible at this.
The party games are huge, he's in every one of them except for Smash.
I'm not going to reiterate my other points. It's like you and Kayo can't comprehend the things I say.
Quote from: Zero on October 25, 2011, 04:08:27 PM
Going by that logic Jigglypuff shouldn't be in the game. You're horrible at this.
The party games are huge, he's in every one of them except for Smash.
I'm not going to reiterate my other points. It's like you and Kayo can't comprehend the things I say.
Jigglypuff was a recurring important character on the anime and a massive hit in Japan. Believe it or not, the anime does influence Brawl. Jigglypuff, Pichu, and Lucario were all chosen because of their place in the animes. So that's a moot argument. There isn't a single character on the roster that is filler like Waluigi would be.
Quote from: Zeromus on October 25, 2011, 04:16:44 PM
Jigglypuff was a recurring important character on the anime and a massive hit in Japan. Believe it or not, the anime does influence Brawl. Jigglypuff, Pichu, and Lucario were all chosen because of their place in the animes. So that's a moot argument. There isn't a single character on the roster that is filler like Waluigi would be.
Notice how only the Pokemon anime influenced the roster regarding Pokemon. Anime outside of that has nothing to do with it. This is a cross-over video game featuring VIDEO GAME characters.
Waluigi was in practically every party/sports game since Mario Tennis 64 and would complete the set(he's the only nintendo italian missing). The argument isn't moot, bro. Do I need to go back and quote my earlier posts? Jiggs wasn't the only character I mentioned earlier.
At this point I think you're mad that Waluigi actually might be in the next game. Goroh sure as intercourse won't be.
Quote from: Zero on October 25, 2011, 04:25:15 PM
Notice how only the Pokemon anime influenced the roster regarding Pokemon. Anime outside of that has nothing to do with it. This is a cross-over video game featuring VIDEO GAME characters.
Waluigi was in practically every party/sports game since Mario Tennis 64 and would complete the set(he's the only nintendo italian missing). The argument isn't moot, bro. Do I need to go back and quote my earlier posts? Jiggs wasn't the only character I mentioned earlier.
At this point I think you're mad that Waluigi actually might be in the next game. Goroh sure as intercourse won't be.
Waluigi doesn't have a chance in my opinion. He's literally nothing but filler. His extent as a villain is Mario DDR. The sports/party games are entirely unimportant.
Your opinion is really really bad because it ignores so many intercourse ing facts that its downright cancer inducing
[spoiler]Smash is a party game too[/spoiler]
you guys
you guys
you guys
dante for SSB with his MVC3 moveset
i'm okay with this
Quote from: Zero on October 25, 2011, 04:51:17 PM
Your opinion is really really bad because it ignores so many intercourse ing facts that its downright cancer inducing
[spoiler]Smash is a party game too[/spoiler]
Smash is a cross-over fighting game.
Not a sports/board game.
So you think Daisy has a chance then?
Quote from: Zeromus on October 25, 2011, 05:13:46 PM
Smash is a cross-over fighting game.
Not a sports/board game.
So you think Daisy has a chance then?
It's still a party game.
There is a reason why she's been a costume for peach since Melee and that's because there isn't much difference between the two characters, at all.
You still haven't given me any reasoning as to WHY you think his chances are low other than I HATE HIM and PARTY GAMES ARE UNIMPORTANT and those arguments are terrible. The latter contradicts Smash Bros itself.
Here's what he has going for him:
-Hardly any Mario characters left that have any significance
-He's the last of the italian set and his brother is already in
-He was an AT in Brawl
-He's been in plenty of Nintendo games, and his moveset could be Mario Party/Sports game related, which would stand out(despite Peach's Fsmash, which is partially Sports game related).
Not to mention that its not like there are any set rules for character inclusion besides RELEVANCE and maybe popularity. Something which Waluigi has over say, Black Bull or Goroh.
I don't like the character, but its not like we have plenty of Mario characters that'd make more sense than he would. Bowser Jr. would be alright as long as he has the paintbrush I guess.
Quote from: Zeromus on October 25, 2011, 05:13:46 PM
Smash is a cross-over fighting game.
Not a sports/board game.
So you think Daisy has a chance then?
you're trying to tell zero what a fighting game is?
i'm pretty sure he knows more than anyone else on this forum
QuoteThere is a reason why she's been a costume for peach since Melee and that's because there isn't much difference between the two characters, at all.
She's a completely different character, but like Waluigi she's just filler. She's a princess of another land and has a complete different personality than Peach. She's got less going for her, yeah, but she's still more significant than Waluigi in that she actually participated in a main series game.
Quote-Hardly any Mario characters left that have any significance
Bowser Jr., Toad, Baby Mario, any Koopaling. Taking it a stretch further, E.Gadd with his inventions, Fawful. Mallow. Geno.
Quote-He's the last of the italian set and his brother is already in
Who gives a poop about this?
Quote-He was an AT in Brawl
So was [spoiler]Starfy. And Jill Dozer. And Lakitu. And the army men from Advance Wars.[/spoiler] Your point? Not to mention who you argue against later: Goroh.
Quote-He's been in plenty of Nintendo games, and his moveset could be Mario Party/Sports game related, which would stand out(despite Peach's Fsmash, which is partially Sports game related).
There has yet to be a filler character put into any Smash game. Waluigi is exactly that, a filler character. He was literally made so that Wario would have a partner in sports games. He's hardly even a secondary character. He's just there.
QuoteNot to mention that its not like there are any set rules for character inclusion besides RELEVANCE and maybe popularity. Something which Waluigi has over say, Black Bull or Goroh.
Relevance is more important than you seem to understand. Why do you think Lucario replaced Mewtwo? Mewtwo became irrelevant. Lucario took his place. Ike over Roy? Relevance. Toon Link over Young Link? Relevance. Samurai Goroh is Captain Falcon's direct rival, one of four of the original F-Zero racers, and an actual fighter. Black Bull is Captain Falcon's direct enemy in both the games and the animated series. Their relevancy is immensely higher to their series than Waluigi is to anything.
As for your last point:
Mario, Luigi, Peach, Bowser
Yoshi - No question a Mario character but credited for his own series.
Wario, Donkey Kong - Originally Mario villains turned rivals with their own spinoffs.
Why the hell do we need more Mario characters at all? Sure the last three are considered their own series but at their core they're Mario characters, and as such Mario has 7 reps already.
Where the intercourse would Waluigi even go?
We already have four Mario reps, and he sure doesn't belong in Yoshi or WarioWare.
Quote from: Doodle on October 25, 2011, 07:14:47 PM
Where the intercourse would Waluigi even go?
We already have four Mario reps, and he sure doesn't belong in Yoshi or WarioWare.
He'd get his own icon. A tennis-racket with an upside down L.
Quote from: Zero on October 25, 2011, 12:59:42 PM
That argument isn't strong enough. Try again.
Something you faggots have yet to do is come up with a Mario character that is more relevant than the gay filler character that is Waluigi.
Despite the fact that I'm only comparing Waluigi to other Mario characters, because that's what you were actually TALKING ABOUT? You weren't talking about smash characters, you were saying he has no worse chance than other Mario characters. Try again.
riddler i think i'm going to ignore you now
we'll talk on EM
by the way I'm seventh how cool is that
bye forever
Quote from: Bearissoslow on October 25, 2011, 07:46:14 PM
riddler i think i'm going to ignore you now
we'll talk on EM
by the way I'm seventh how cool is that
bye forever
you know you get old after a while
Fucking Birdo, right? S/he's ready to rock and roll as a fully playable character.
Shooting eggs and poop. Maybe some tail trips. Whatever works.
Waluigi this, Waluigi that, doesn't anyone care about Bowser Jr?
He has a good moveset potential, he's showed up in several main games recently, he's really the best option for a new Mario character if they had to have one.
Quote from: Neerb on October 25, 2011, 09:24:40 PM
Waluigi this, Waluigi that, doesn't anyone care about Bowser Jr?
He has a good moveset potential, he's showed up in several main games recently, he's really the best option for a new Mario character if they had to have one.
...See at this point your opinion really doesn't matter. You may think he's the best, but there's a whole bunch of people that don't. If you say his moveset potential is good, give us some examples.
i stopped reading your post when you mentioned the army men of advance wars but then something caught my eye towards the end of it
Black Bull more relevant than Waluigi? Alright man, you had hardly any credibility to begin with but this really makes no sense. F-Zero has never had a story in the games outside of GX and that GBA game based on the anime, and most people just DON'T recognize F-Zero characters other than Falcon.
You really think Waluigi is less known than Black Bull? If so, lol.
Quote from: Kayo on October 24, 2011, 08:45:33 PM
Itt Riddler ninnyes endlessly about Bear's trolling, which he took seriously.
Quote from: Kayo on October 25, 2011, 12:09:59 PM
How many games was Waluigi the protagonist in?
Quote from: Kayo on October 24, 2011, 06:30:14 PM
They always scale characters at least a bit, to make everything more fair. Bowser's size fluctuates a bit between Smash and Mario games, and it's no big deal.
Kayo, double posting just for you <3
These are your posts since the Waluigi debate took off, and you have not compared him to other Mario characters once.
Quote from: Zero on October 25, 2011, 10:42:22 PM
Kayo, double posting just for you <3
These are your posts since the Waluigi debate took off, and you have not compared him to other Mario characters once.
Please note that only one of those three quotes mentions Waluigi at all, and as such the other two aren't even on that subject. However, check your own post:
Quote from: Zero on October 25, 2011, 09:44:24 AM
That really isn't a fact.
How are his chances any worse than other Mario characters?
You're comparing him against other Mario characters here, you see?
Quote from: Kayo on October 25, 2011, 07:42:42 PM
Despite the fact that I'm only comparing Waluigi to other Mario characters, because that's what you were actually TALKING ABOUT? You weren't talking about smash characters, you were saying he has no worse chance than other Mario characters. Try again.
Read your own darn post. You never once compared Waluigi to other Mario characters and I never mentioned anything about other Smash character's chances compared to Waluigi's. Nice straw man argument bro.
I didn't troll when saying Golden Sun is a intercourse ing overrated game. Me not liking your poopty games doesn't mean I'm a troll, it just means grow up.
Quote from: Zero on October 25, 2011, 10:55:04 PM
Read your own darn post. You never once compared Waluigi to other Mario characters and I never mentioned anything about other Smash character's chances compared to Waluigi's. Nice straw man argument bro.
Read my darn post. Smash =/= Mario. You mentioned Waluigi's chances over any other Mario character, and that's exactly what I said. I never ONCE said you said anything about comparing Waluigi to other Smash characters.
Are you intercourse ing high right now? I'd like to get in on that.
Quote from: Kayo on October 25, 2011, 07:42:42 PM
You weren't talking about smash characters, you were saying he has no worse chance than other Mario characters. Try again.
You were saying that I "wasn't talking about Smash characters" Kayo and that has nothing to do with anything I've said. I never once even mentioned other smash(or otherwise) characters in regard to their chances of "being in" outside of Goroh, Black Bull, and Rosalina. And even then I was talking about their RELEVANCE.
you completely missed the point
frankly i'm convinced both you and Riddler huff paint together
Quote from: Zero on October 25, 2011, 10:21:27 PM
i stopped reading your post when you mentioned the army men of advance wars but then something caught my eye towards the end of it
Clearly didn't get that I was saying "who gives a poop if it was an AT, anything can be an AT, if anything that means they have LESS of a chance of being playable." But it concerns me that you think Lakitu, Jill Dozer, and Starfy would make decent characters.
Quote from: Zero on October 25, 2011, 10:21:27 PM
Black Bull more relevant than Waluigi? Alright man, you had hardly any credibility to begin with but this really makes no sense. F-Zero has never had a story in the games outside of GX and that GBA game based on the anime, and most people just DON'T recognize F-Zero characters other than Falcon.
You really think Waluigi is less known than Black Bull? If so, lol.
I didn't say less known. Less
Relevant. Waluigi is a filler character 100%. F-Zero games, believe it or not, have backstorys. Some of them even have their stories mentioned in game. That simple fact alone makes them more relevant to their series. They are characters in a main series game with a story, with a connection to the plot, with
relevance. He's important to the plot of F-Zero. Waluigi is not important to the plot of anything.
I also love how you ignore every valid point that completely beats the poop out of any point you've made.
You guys are funny, I'm surprised I read all of that.
Waluigi still won't make it in as playable. Fact.
And that is my argument.
Quote from: Kayo on October 25, 2011, 09:54:31 PM
...See at this point your opinion really doesn't matter. You may think he's the best, but there's a whole bunch of people that don't. If you say his moveset potential is good, give us some examples.
Well, he could use pretty much any move Bowser uses, plus he has some more unique moves from the games he's actually been in. He could fight with his paint brush, throw down oil or mud or lava or electric goop, use shadow mario to some degree, and his final smash could be an airship or mecha bowser or summoning his siblings or something.
Plus, I'm not so sure it is just my opinion that he has the best chance of being in. I mean, he's appeared in almost every Mario game since his debut, and unlike Waluigi, that includes REAL games, not just spin-offs.
This is yet another repeat of people killing each other when it comes down to new SSB stuff that could make it. Saw this at Serebiiforums.
Quote from: PrinnyOnLowBudgetChris on October 26, 2011, 08:51:34 AM
This is yet another repeat of people killing each other when it comes down to new SSB stuff that could make it. Saw this at Serebiiforums.
exaggeration much lol
Quote from: Zeromus on October 26, 2011, 07:15:18 AM
Clearly didn't get that I was saying "who gives a poop if it was an AT, anything can be an AT, if anything that means they have LESS of a chance of being playable." But it concerns me that you think Lakitu, Jill Dozer, and Starfy would make decent characters.I didn't say less known. Less Relevant. Waluigi is a filler character 100%. F-Zero games, believe it or not, have backstorys. Some of them even have their stories mentioned in game. That simple fact alone makes them more relevant to their series. They are characters in a main series game with a story, with a connection to the plot, with relevance. He's important to the plot of F-Zero. Waluigi is not important to the plot of anything.
I also love how you ignore every valid point that completely beats the poop out of any point you've made.
You provided poopty counter-arguments. Why would I dissect your posts when anyone that isn't foaming at the mouth retarded can tell why you're completely wrong and opinionated?
You're also putting words into my mouth now in a desperate attempt to strengthen your argument and that's downright pathetic.
You really believe that because a character has relevance within his/her own series that it matters more than relevance in general? lol what. No one cares about F-Zero's plot, Riddler. There is a reason why no one bought F-Zero GX.
And no, he's not "100% filler". It's so laughable that you think this, because hey its not like a random KOOPA would be more filler than him, right?
Waluigi has far more appearances than Goroh does and ever will and u so mad about it that you're forgetting to change your diaper.
Quote from: JrDude 益 on October 26, 2011, 08:37:10 AM
You guys are funny, I'm surprised I read all of that.
Waluigi still won't make it in as playable. Fact.
And that is my argument.
Oh hey someone that still doesn't know what a fact is.
Quote from: Zero on October 26, 2011, 11:07:30 AM
You provided poopty counter-arguments. Why would I dissect your posts when anyone that isn't foaming at the mouth retarded can tell why you're completely wrong and opinionated?
You're also putting words into my mouth now in a desperate attempt to strengthen your argument and that's downright pathetic.
You really believe that because a character has relevance within his/her own series that it matters more than relevance in general? lol what. No one cares about F-Zero's plot, Riddler. There is a reason why no one bought F-Zero GX.
And no, he's not "100% filler". It's so laughable that you think this, because hey its not like a random KOOPA would be more filler than him, right?
Waluigi has far more appearances than Goroh does and ever will and u so mad about it that you're forgetting to change your diaper.
Oh hey someone that still doesn't know what a fact is.
It's like all you know how to do is insult and repeat yourself.
Appearances =/= Relevancy. Oh hey Goomba has been in more games than Waluigi he must be more relevant.
Goroh is a direct story related character as well as one of the original racers. He's also a swordsman and rival to Captain Falcon, both in games and animations.
Waluigi is a character literally made so that Wario would have a partner and has never once been featured in a main game.
Not sure why you don't get that.
Quote from: Zeromus on October 26, 2011, 11:12:54 AM
It's like all you know how to do is insult and repeat yourself.
Appearances =/= Relevancy. Oh hey Goomba has been in more games than Waluigi he must be more relevant.
Goroh is a direct story related character as well as one of the original racers. He's also a swordsman and rival to Captain Falcon, both in games and animations.
Waluigi is a character literally made so that Wario would have a partner and has never once been featured in a main game.
Not sure why you don't get that.
Alright fair enough, I'll be civil. I apologize, man.
Nice comparison. Waluigi totally isn't the brother to Wario and Goombas totally aren't generic enemys.
I know you're an F-Zero fan, and that I've already said this, but:
Hardly anyone recognizes anyone from F-Zero but Falcon. Seriously. People at least know who Waluigi is. Practically everyone that has owned an N64, GCN, or Wii have played the Mario Party/Sports games and know who the character is.
Your entire argument is centered around the assumption that a character needs to be featured in a main series game and be at least pretty relevant to the series in general. I destroyed these arguments in my earlier posts yet you still manage to convince yourself that you know the criteria for character inclusion despite the fact that characters like Pichu, Lucario, Jigglypuff, Dr.Mario, and Mewtwo have made it into the games. Dr.Mario is a spin off character bro. Mewtwo, Jiggs, and Pichu got in because of the anime. What makes you think that the games Waluigi are featured in aren't valid? If an anime influenced the roster than why wouldn't an actual video game series do the same since you know, this is a video game cross-over?
All I've tried to say(and have said, in earlier posts)from the start is that his chances really aren't any worse than other Mario characters and that he's more relevant to Nintendo than a character like Goroh. And he is. You're just so opinionated that you can't see it.
I don't like the character either but at least I'm not fooling myself into thinking that he has no chances of being a playable character. Aside from that, you could do far worse than Waluigi.
Quote from: Zero on October 26, 2011, 12:22:53 PM
Hardly anyone recognizes anyone from F-Zero but Falcon. Seriously. People at least know who Waluigi is. Practically everyone that has owned an N64, GCN, or Wii have played the Mario Party/Sports games and know who the character is.
Except apparently Goroh was good enough to be on the same level as Waluigi as an AT. And you're missing the point that the Party/Sports games are basically spin-offs, and don't really have anything to do with Mario. Let's be honest here, it's just Nintendo slapping Mario's face on a game to make it sell. Waluigi's only existence is to be a partner for Wario
Your entire argument is centered around the assumption that a character needs to be featured in a main series game and be at least pretty relevant to the series in general. I destroyed these arguments in my earlier posts yet you still manage to convince yourself that you know the criteria for character inclusion despite the fact that characters like Pichu, Lucario, Jigglypuff, Dr.Mario, and Mewtwo have made it into the games. Dr.Mario is a spin off character bro. Mewtwo, Jiggs, and Pichu got in because of the anime. What makes you think that the games Waluigi are featured in aren't valid? If an anime influenced the roster than why wouldn't an actual video game series do the same since you know, this is a video game cross-over?
The characters generally have to be relevant, at least as far as being in the game though. Dr. Mario and Pichu are only in Melee to be clones because, well, they got kind of lazy. Mewtwo DOES have plot importance, as he's alluded to in the pokemon mansion and is the post-game reward, and the most powerful pokemon in generation 1. Mewtwo does make sense. Pokemon is hard to really use as an example, as technically just about any pokemon can get in as they have viable movesets. So going on popularity is really the only way to go.
All I've tried to say(and have said, in earlier posts)from the start is that his chances really aren't any worse than other Mario characters and that he's more relevant to Nintendo than a character like Goroh. And he is. You're just so opinionated that you can't see it.
I have a question, why do we even need more Mario characters? We have all the characters that actually mean anything. The rest are kind of, well, pointless. And at least F-Zero even has a story where characters have a backstory and goal they want. More than Mario can say. Save the princess. Rinse, repeat, blech.
I don't like the character either but at least I'm not fooling myself into thinking that he has no chances of being a playable character. Aside from that, you could do far worse than Waluigi.
You could do far worse, but Waluigi has no business being in Smash. I'd rather see more series that don't have a playable rep than yet more Mario stuff.
See bold, and I thought I'd throw my hat into the ring. :P
Dear anyone who thinks Waluigi could be in Smash: I dare you to come up with a moveset for him. There isn't much that's not generic.
Waluigi has no background whatsoever and the only moves you could base from actual games is just him flailing around with rackets and clubs.
They'd have to pull a Captain Falcon, and I doubt they'd go through the trouble with a character like Waluigi.
Why the hell this is being debated right now is beyond me. Waluigi by no means represents the Mario series enough to be an actual fighter :U
Quote from: Doodle on October 26, 2011, 06:27:00 PM
Waluigi has no background whatsoever and the only moves you could base from actual games is just him flailing around with rackets and clubs.
They'd have to pull a Captain Falcon, and I doubt they'd go through the trouble with a character like Waluigi.
Why the hell this is being debated right now is beyond me. Waluigi by no means represents the Mario series enough to be an actual fighter :U
He either represents Wario...or himself.
Quote from: Doodle on October 26, 2011, 06:27:00 PM
Waluigi has no background whatsoever and the only moves you could base from actual games is just him flailing around with rackets and clubs.
They'd have to pull a Captain Falcon, and I doubt they'd go through the trouble with a character like Waluigi.
Why the hell this is being debated right now is beyond me. Waluigi by no means represents the Mario series enough to be an actual fighter :U
Exactly on all this. Characters have been in thus far because of representation, none of which Waluigi does, since he's a filler in every game he appears in. No powers or anything, he's just there in case you need another player in Mario Party, etc. and he's never sad any significance.
Though by now he's pretty much famous for being a filler. If anything, that's what he'd be in for. His abilities? To fill things.
Jesus I haven't been able to post all day. I had a whole thing typed earlier and the intercourse ing server crashed. HERE'S TO TRYING AGAIN!
Quote from: Zero on October 26, 2011, 12:22:53 PM
Nice comparison. Waluigi totally isn't the brother to Wario and Goombas totally aren't generic enemys.
So, what about Koopas, Paratroopas, Hammer Bros., Boos, etc - Generic by one standard, main playable characters in most of the sports/party/kart games. Your point was that Waluigi was in more games than Goroh, and I disproved your point. Take it. Also, Waluigi is not Wario's brother. He's just a friend, unless you've got some source for that.
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Hardly anyone recognizes anyone from F-Zero but Falcon. Seriously. People at least know who Waluigi is. Practically everyone that has owned an N64, GCN, or Wii have played the Mario Party/Sports games and know who the character is.
Earthbound/Mother characters, Fire Emblem characters, Game and Watch, R.O.B., Pit, Ice Climbers - All hugely less known than F-Zero by any standard. If you asked anyone before Brawl came out who any of those characters were, I guarantee you very few would be able to name their series. For the latter four, they're all ancient and most of today's players wouldn't have remembered them. Fire Emblem characters were put in just to advertise the intercourse ing games.
Oh, and I'll put this in bold/italics just so it's clear and I didn't think I'd have to say it. Waluigi may be known by more people, but he's widely regarded as one of Mario's worst characters. Hey let's put Tingle in too.Quote
Your entire argument is centered around the assumption that a character needs to be featured in a main series game and be at least pretty relevant to the series in general. I destroyed these arguments in my earlier posts yet you still manage to convince yourself that you know the criteria for character inclusion despite the fact that characters like Pichu, Lucario, Jigglypuff, Dr.Mario, and Mewtwo have made it into the games. Dr.Mario is a spin off character bro. Mewtwo, Jiggs, and Pichu got in because of the anime. What makes you think that the games Waluigi are featured in aren't valid? If an anime influenced the roster than why wouldn't an actual video game series do the same since you know, this is a video game cross-over?
The Pokemon argument is absolutely moot because they're the only series represented by the anime. No other character in the game is heavily influenced by any thing other than a video game. But just so it's clear, again: Even outside of the anime, they were in
main series games. Dr. Mario is a weird case and I'll call him an exception to the rule: They needed to fill an extra slot and all they had to do was tweak Mario a bit. I call him a product of laziness/time constraint. Take note that he was removed for Brawl. Every single character on the roster has been in a main series game.
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All I've tried to say(and have said, in earlier posts)from the start is that his chances really aren't any worse than other Mario characters and that he's more relevant to Nintendo than a character like Goroh. And he is. You're just so opinionated that you can't see it.
He's NOT more relevant though, because sports/party games themselves are irrelevant and that's all he's ever been in. Goroh is directly story related whether you would like to admit it or not. He's a swordsman and rival to Captain Falcon. He was in main series games as a main character, and one of the original four racers. He's done countless more for Nintendo than Waluigi ever has.
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I don't like the character either but at least I'm not fooling myself into thinking that he has no chances of being a playable character. Aside from that, you could do far worse than Waluigi.
His chances are far worse than any other character, for the simple fact that, oh boy here I say it again: He wasn't in a main series game. You can literally say everything for Daisy that you've said for Waluigi, with the added benefit that she was actually in a main series game. She's been everywhere Waluigi has been, and thus could use all the same tools you're suggesting he uses. And you COULD do worse than Waluigi, but you can also do much much better. I've given you a list of usable characters that would take priority over him. Bowser Jr., any Koopaling, Daisy, Birdo, E.Gadd, Toad, Baby Mario, Fawful, Mallow, Geno.
I don't think Waluigi will be in Smash, nor do I think he should, but you guys have been looking at this all the wrong way in terms of what he COULD do if he was in Smash. Instead of thinking about what Waluigi has exclusive access to, you guys should think of what he can do but no one else has already done.
Think about it: eight different sports, a dancing game, a kart racer, and tons of different things from the party games; Mario spin-offs are practically their own franchise at this point, and most of it has yet to be represented in Smash (I say most because Peach does have those two side smashes and Kart got a stage). Waluigi could have a widely-diverse movepool representing a huge chunk of Nintendo, from a "dance" that stomps people into the ground (his AT) to a jump-serve with a tennis racquet that acts as a recovery to driving his kart across the stage to a Final Smash where he hits the party die and causes a random effect to happen.
Again, I don't think Waluigi really has a chance of getting in, and I don't really want him to, but if he DID get in, he could definitely serve a purpose and be a unique, interesting fighter.
the sad thing is that you losers are spending this much time on this
who gives a poop it's an ugly ass tall guy in purple
shut up and talk about something that actually matters
skull kid for playable character? hell yeah
Quote from: Custom on October 26, 2011, 08:49:01 PM
the sad thing is that you losers are spending this much time on this
who gives a poop it's an ugly ass tall guy in purple
shut up and talk about something that actually matters
skull kid for playable character? hell yeah
lolno
Quote from: Zeromus on October 26, 2011, 08:14:58 PM
Jesus I haven't been able to post all day. I had a whole thing typed earlier and the intercourse ing server crashed. HERE'S TO TRYING AGAIN!
So, what about Koopas, Paratroopas, Hammer Bros., Boos, etc - Generic by one standard, main playable characters in most of the sports/party/kart games. Your point was that Waluigi was in more games than Goroh, and I disproved your point. Take it. Also, Waluigi is not Wario's brother. He's just a friend, unless you've got some source for that.
You didn't disprove poop. Waluigi HAS been in more games than Goroh. Reread what you just said. Oh come now, their relationship is open to interpretation. Even the Brawl trophy says their "relationship is shrouded in mystery". You think he's his friend, I think its his brother.
Earthbound/Mother characters, Fire Emblem characters, Game and Watch, R.O.B., Pit, Ice Climbers - All hugely less known than F-Zero by any standard. If you asked anyone before Brawl came out who any of those characters were, I guarantee you very few would be able to name their series. For the latter four, they're all ancient and most of today's players wouldn't have remembered them. Fire Emblem characters were put in just to advertise the intercourse ing games.
I agree with you here, but you're still missing the point. Regardless of how those characters weren't very well known, they each held their own place in Nintendo history and old school Nintendo fans knew who they were. You're making another assumption about those Fire Emblem characters, but whatever I'm used to the assumptions you make by now.
Oh, and I'll put this in bold/italics just so it's clear and I didn't think I'd have to say it. Waluigi may be known by more people, but he's widely regarded as one of Mario's worst characters. Hey let's put Tingle in too.The Pokemon argument is absolutely moot because they're the only series represented by the anime. No other character in the game is heavily influenced by any thing other than a video game. But just so it's clear, again: Even outside of the anime, they were in main series games. Dr. Mario is a weird case and I'll call him an exception to the rule: They needed to fill an extra slot and all they had to do was tweak Mario a bit. I call him a product of laziness/time constraint. Take note that he was removed for Brawl. Every single character on the roster has been in a main series game.
That's a rather convenient explanation for Dr.Mario, that you can't prove, by the way. You're right about that last part, but that doesn't mean that they won't look elsewhere for characters.
He's NOT more relevant though, because sports/party games themselves are irrelevant and that's all he's ever been in. Goroh is directly story related whether you would like to admit it or not. He's a swordsman and rival to Captain Falcon. He was in main series games as a main character, and one of the original four racers. He's done countless more for Nintendo than Waluigi ever has.
Sorry bro, I get that you have a hard on for Goroh but this just isn't true. Waluigi's had far more appearances than him. Nuff said. F-Zero is a dead franchise.
His chances are far worse than any other character, for the simple fact that, oh boy here I say it again: He wasn't in a main series game. You can literally say everything for Daisy that you've said for Waluigi, with the added benefit that she was actually in a main series game. She's been everywhere Waluigi has been, and thus could use all the same tools you're suggesting he uses. And you COULD do worse than Waluigi, but you can also do much much better. I've given you a list of usable characters that would take priority over him. Bowser Jr., any Koopaling, Daisy, Birdo, E.Gadd, Toad, Baby Mario, Fawful, Mallow, Geno.
Well I'd certainly rather have Bowser Jr., Geno, or Mallow, that's for sure
Who told you that sports/party games were irrelevant? What makes you believe this? I'm not going to reiterate myself again. Stop making assumptions.
All of you saying he has zero chances are incredibly opinionated.
LIP 4 SSB4
Quote from: Kayo on October 26, 2011, 04:51:02 PM
Dear anyone who thinks Waluigi could be in Smash: I dare you to come up with a moveset for him. There isn't much that's not generic.
Kayo
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p-beOyJddrU&feature=related
not to mention he can make tornadoes, control piranha plant vines, can super stomp or some poop, swim through the air, and likes to fight with Bomb-ombs. There's more. There's PLENTY of poop you can do with him. So bascially, no you don't have to "pull a CF" and make a move set from scratch.
Quote from: Zero on October 26, 2011, 09:01:56 PM
Who told you that sports/party games were irrelevant? What makes you believe this? I'm not going to reiterate myself again. Stop making assumptions.
All of you saying he has zero chances are incredibly opinionated.
LIP 4 SSB4
I disproved your point in that Koopas, Paratroopas, Hammer Bros., Boos, etc have been in more games than Waluigi and HAVE starred in Party games, and would still be irrelevant to Smash.
And you're contradicting yourself with "and old school Nintendo fans knew who they were". That also applies to Goroh. Old school SNES fans, then N64 fans, and fans of the franchise period know of his importance.
The Fire Emblem note was actually fact. They put Roy and Marth in to advertise Fire Emblem to American Audiences.
As for the Dr. Mario thing, once again take note he was removed from Brawl. How else would you explain him?
>More appearances = importance
Awesome logic. So, Tingle is more important than Skull Kid?
If F-Zero were dead enough, Captain Falcon wouldn't be playable and Goroh wouldn't have been an AT. They're both insanely important to the history of Nintendo. Waluigi is a character who has been in nothing but side games, has no backstory, and is widely regarded as one of Mario's worst characters.
you're right
tingle is more important
put tingle in he could be like wario plus he'd be another floaty character thanks to his balloon
he could also do ground stuff
that is awesome logic
also waluigi is waaaaAAAAYYYY more likely to make it in than geno and you can get out if you think otherwise
same with baby mario
waluigi is way more likely lol get over yourself
Quote from: Custom on October 26, 2011, 09:13:39 PM
you're right
tingle is more important
put tingle in he could be like wario plus he'd be another floaty character thanks to his balloon
he could also do ground stuff
that is awesome logic
Skull Kid, recurring character,
main villain of Majora's Mask.Tingle, recurring man dressed as a fairy that steals rupees.
Quote from: Custom on October 26, 2011, 09:14:33 PM
also waluigi is waaaaAAAAYYYY more likely to make it in than geno and you can get out if you think otherwise
same with baby mario
waluigi is way more likely lol get over yourself
Geno is unlikely due to his being owned by Square, but thanks to Sonic and Snake, anything is possible there. There is no denying he's a better choice than Waluigi.
Baby Mario not only has been almost everywhere Waluigi has, but was a main character in M&L. Baby Mario/Baby Luigi tag-team would even work.
Quote from: Zeromus on October 26, 2011, 09:15:36 PM
Skull Kid, recurring character, main villain of Majora's Mask.
Tingle, recurring man dressed as a fairy that steals rupees.
i'm aware of this i've played through more zelda games htan you have had your annoying sig go through gif animations
tingle would be fun due to floatyness and projectile ruppies
it'd be awesome
he also can drop bombs DUH
what's the skull kid going ot do play a song yeah i don't think so
Quote from: Zeromus on October 26, 2011, 09:16:41 PM
Geno is unlikely due to his being owned by Square, but thanks to Sonic and Snake, anything is possible there. There is no denying he's a better choice than Waluigi.
Baby Mario not only has been almost everywhere Waluigi has, but was a main character in M&L. Baby Mario/Baby Luigi tag-team would even work.
you're just full of awful ideas riddler
you should RID yourself of them ahhaahhahahahahh
Quote from: Zeromus on October 26, 2011, 09:12:03 PM
I disproved your point in that Koopas, Paratroopas, Hammer Bros., Boos, etc have been in more games than Waluigi and HAVE starred in Party games, and would still be irrelevant to Smash.
You really don't get it. They aren't CHARACTERS man. They're generic enemies. Waluigi isn't. He's Luigi's rival or something.
And you're contradicting yourself with "and old school Nintendo fans knew who they were". That also applies to Goroh. Old school SNES fans, then N64 fans, and fans of the franchise period know of his importance.
Oh hey its clear now. You're a F-Zero fanboy. You really believe that Goroh is on the same level that Ice Climbers or Pit are? In the original F-Zero, there was little to no story. It wasn't until GX that we even knew anything about him other than he is apparently a samurai in space. He isn't even a likable character, Riddler. You're the first person I've encountered with a raging boner for Samurai Goroh.
The Fire Emblem note was actually fact. They put Roy and Marth in to advertise Fire Emblem to American Audiences.
Source. Because the game Roy was in didn't come out in America and the game Marth was in was only recently released in America. Don't you think that maybe, just maybe, Roy was put in because Fire Emblem 6 was coming out in Japan shortly after Melee did? Marth was the first FE character, so chances might be that he was included first, and they tweaked Roy to advertise the FE game that he starred in. Fire Emblem becoming well-known in America was just icing on the cake, but don't for a second believe that it was the sole reason they were put in.
As for the Dr. Mario thing, once again take note he was removed from Brawl. How else would you explain him?
Having a lack of a better explanation doesn't necessarily make your convenient explanation fact.
>More appearances = importance
Awesome logic. So, Tingle is more important than Skull Kid?
You're comparing two characters from the same franchise. One is a recurring generic enemy/villain/quest character, and the other just sells you maps in a couple games/is a faggot in FSA. Zelda=/=F-Zero and F-Zero=/=Mario man.
If F-Zero were dead enough, Captain Falcon wouldn't be playable and Goroh wouldn't have been an AT. They're both insanely important to the history of Nintendo. Waluigi is a character who has been in nothing but side games, has no backstory, and is widely regarded as one of Mario's worst characters.
F-Zero GX barely sold 250k and there hasn't been a new F-Zero game since. It's dead, at least for a while. And no, Captain Falcon is intercourse ing Captain Falcon. He's a vet, and the main character. He's the only character from F-Zero that's even needed. F-Zero just isn't as important as you think it is. The games have never been blockbusters and no one really knew who the intercourse Captain Falcon was until Super Smash Bros 64. Oh and no backstory huh?
http://www.mariowiki.com/waluigi
Looks to me like he has about as much backstory as Mario does. He runs a motor oil company and Mario is just some fatass plumber that saves the princess and never gets any.
zero is a good user
I do know what the definition of fact is. I just don't need to argue because you guys aren't open to other opinions. The closest anyone on this forum gets to agreeing with someone when they're arguing is "Well you're right about that, BUT THIS THIS AND THIS. ALSO THIS IS A BETTER ARGUMENT AND THIS IRRELEVANT SENTENCE DISPROVES EVERYTHING YOU SAID ABOUT THAT."
But watch, Waluigi will not be in the next smash game as a playable character. You can argue all you want, you can prove how relevant he is all you want, you can say how he would make sense and have a workable moveset, and you could be 100% right. But he still won't be playable.
Waluigi can swim through the sky. He can spin fast enough to create tornadoes. He can create vines. He has a whip. He has Dr. Octopus Claw things. He can make balls multiply with eggplants or something. He can also use things from the games he's in like Bob-Ombs.
Though he could be awesome, he won't be in it.
Quote from: JrDude 益 on October 27, 2011, 10:22:42 AM
I do know what the definition of fact is...
>Makes a prediction. Implies that the prediction is fact.
I'm really hoping you're omnipotent.
Quote from: Zero on October 26, 2011, 09:01:56 PM
Who told you that sports/party games were irrelevant? What makes you believe this? I'm not going to reiterate myself again. Stop making assumptions.
All of you saying he has zero chances are incredibly opinionated.
LIP 4 SSB4
They are irrelevant because ultimately they're just sports games with Mario's face slapped on it to make money. That's all they've ever been. You could just as easily make a bunch of new characters to be the "sports game characters" or "party game characters" and absolutely nothing about the games would be different at all. Mario Kart is really the only exception because it started the whole kart racing genre, but it got a stage, and that's all it needed. Besides, it's not like Waluigi had his debut in a kart game. He's just there because he's a spinoff character and taking up roster spots is all he's good for in those games.
And he has pretty much zero chance because what exactly has he done that's of any note whatsoever? He's been around for over a decade but all he's ever been is filler to be a partner for Wario. He hasn't turned out like Wario, who was a final boss to start out but went on to star in two full series on his own or something.
Further up on this page you mention that F-Zero didn't sell too well (even though 250k units would be great by any other publisher, again, Nintendo's stupidly high standards for sales) and has more or less been on hiatus since then. I have to say, just about all of Nintendo's franchises not of the big three have more or less been on hiatus for varying times. Not a single Star Fox game since the DS one. Kirby FINALLY got some games on the Wii after being a console absentee since 2000, the two Kid Icirus games didn't sell well at all but Pit still got in and was on hiatus for over 20 years. So I think those two points are kind of moot.
Quote from: Zero on October 26, 2011, 09:01:56 PM
Who told you that sports/party games were irrelevant?
You think they are relevant? :U
Nayr summed it up nicely.
Quote from: Neerb on October 26, 2011, 08:29:17 PM
I don't think Waluigi will be in Smash, nor do I think he should, but you guys have been looking at this all the wrong way in terms of what he COULD do if he was in Smash. Instead of thinking about what Waluigi has exclusive access to, you guys should think of what he can do but no one else has already done.
Think about it: eight different sports, a dancing game, a kart racer, and tons of different things from the party games; Mario spin-offs are practically their own franchise at this point, and most of it has yet to be represented in Smash (I say most because Peach does have those two side smashes and Kart got a stage). Waluigi could have a widely-diverse movepool representing a huge chunk of Nintendo, from a "dance" that stomps people into the ground (his AT) to a jump-serve with a tennis racquet that acts as a recovery to driving his kart across the stage to a Final Smash where he hits the party die and causes a random effect to happen.
Again, I don't think Waluigi really has a chance of getting in, and I don't really want him to, but if he DID get in, he could definitely serve a purpose and be a unique, interesting fighter.
I have to respect the fact that you actually put thought into this--unlike most people--with your moveset there. And pretty much, if Waluigi WAS in Smash, he would represent all the Mario spin-offs. And he would do a pretty darn good job of doing it.
But of course... do we really NEED to have the spin-offs represented? It would just ultimately be another Mario rep, and we don't really need so many of them.
But remember this, it's not like there's a limit on how many characters go in. It's not like the game will only be able to take 50 characters or whatever. We wouldn't be LOSING anything by having Waluigi, so I really wouldn't mind if he was in there. If you look at all the spin-offs, there's his use. He seems more viable than the other characters you guys are mentioning.
Neverless, I still doubt he'll be in, but I won't be extremely surprised if he is.
Quote from: Nayrman on October 27, 2011, 11:03:12 AM
They are irrelevant because ultimately they're just sports games with Mario's face slapped on it to make money. That's all they've ever been. You could just as easily make a bunch of new characters to be the "sports game characters" or "party game characters" and absolutely nothing about the games would be different at all. Mario Kart is really the only exception because it started the whole kart racing genre, but it got a stage, and that's all it needed. Besides, it's not like Waluigi had his debut in a kart game. He's just there because he's a spinoff character and taking up roster spots is all he's good for in those games.
So the spin-off games are cash-ins but "main series" games aren't? Oh god. I really pray that you've grown up to the point where you realize that the main series Nintendo games are yes, made for profit. They aren't made for you, or for fans in general. They're made for profit. Taking up roster spots is all he's good for? Really now? The same can be said for intercourse ing Birdo and Shy Guy(s), who weren'tt even meant to be Mario character(s) until Nintendo changed the poop out of Doki Doki Panic and HUZZAH instant Mario poop. Waluigi is more Mario than Birdo ever will be. It MAKES SENSE to have a parallel to Luigi just like Mario has Wario. herp le derp it really isn't as bad as you kids make it out to be. OH NO FILLER CHARACTER CHRIST. He'd be less of a intercourse ing filler than ROB was, that's for sure.
And he has pretty much zero chance because what exactly has he done that's of any note whatsoever? He's been around for over a decade but all he's ever been is filler to be a partner for Wario. He hasn't turned out like Wario, who was a final boss to start out but went on to star in two full series on his own or something.
You're basing character inclusion off of virtual accomplishments? lol. You guys practically believe that you're a part of the development process, don't you?
Further up on this page you mention that F-Zero didn't sell too well (even though 250k units would be great by any other publisher, again, Nintendo's stupidly high standards for sales) and has more or less been on hiatus since then. I have to say, just about all of Nintendo's franchises not of the big three have more or less been on hiatus for varying times. Not a single Star Fox game since the DS one. Kirby FINALLY got some games on the Wii after being a console absentee since 2000, the two Kid Icirus games didn't sell well at all but Pit still got in and was on hiatus for over 20 years. So I think those two points are kind of moot.
You completely missed my point Nayr. Kid Icarus is one of those "retro NES classics", same with Ice Climbers. We got Ice Climbers in Melee and Pit in Brawl. Sales had nothing to do with their inclusion. They're retro, Nayr. RETRO. That's the entire point. You really think Samurai Goroh is anywhere NEAR their level of importance to Nintendo history? I don't think you do. You're smarter than that. My point was that F-Zero hasn't sold poop and we already have Captain Falcon, who only became as well known as he is because of Smash. As for Kirby, Sakurai created him and we all know it'd be retarded if he didn't put his own character in. He and Mario were the first two characters decided on to be in the first game back when they shifted development of the game to be a cross-over fighting game. Read up on dem interviews.
And no Kayo we dont' really
need anything regarding Smash(besides the removal of tripping).
My entire intercourse ing point is that his chances aren't zero like you kids are fooling yourselves into believing. I'M PREPARING YOU FOR THE HORROR.
Quote from: Zero on October 28, 2011, 01:04:26 PM
So the spin-off games are cash-ins but "main series" games aren't? Oh god. I really pray that you've grown up to the point where you realize that the main series Nintendo games are yes, made for profit. They aren't made for you, or for fans in general. They're made for profit. Taking up roster spots is all he's good for? Really now? The same can be said for intercourse ing Birdo and Shy Guy(s), who weren'tt even meant to be Mario character(s) until Nintendo changed the poop out of Doki Doki Panic and HUZZAH instant Mario poop. Waluigi is more Mario than Birdo ever will be. It MAKES SENSE to have a parallel to Luigi just like Mario has Wario. herp le derp it really isn't as bad as you kids make it out to be. OH NO FILLER CHARACTER CHRIST. He'd be less of a intercourse ing filler than ROB was, that's for sure.
They are cash-ins. The main games try to have some level of merit on their own. What are the spin-offs? Board game, Tennis game, Golf game, blah blah blah there are dozens of these games out there. How do they get them to sell? Slap Mario's face on it of course! They are far more cash-ins than the main games. And I understand all of this is for profit, but that doesn't mean you can't be unique and come up with original ideas. That's the problem with supposedly "creative" mediums these days. It's more profit than creativity. And no one said anything about Birdo or Shy Guys. We were talking about Waluigi. Sheesh. Finally, it would make sense for Luigi to have his own evil clone if Waluigi actually DID something.
Quote from: Zero on October 28, 2011, 01:04:26 PM
You're basing character inclusion off of virtual accomplishments? lol. You guys practically believe that you're a part of the development process, don't you?
Uh, yes, virtual accomplishments is part of it otherwise just about anyone would be in and it'd probably be Mario vs. Pokemon and a little bit of Kirby in there because after all, IT'S ALL ABOUT PROFIT.
Quote from: Zero on October 28, 2011, 01:04:26 PM
You completely missed my point Nayr. Kid Icarus is one of those "retro NES classics", same with Ice Climbers. We got Ice Climbers in Melee and Pit in Brawl. Sales had nothing to do with their inclusion. They're retro, Nayr. RETRO. That's the entire point. You really think Samurai Goroh is anywhere NEAR their level of importance to Nintendo history? I don't think you do. You're smarter than that. My point was that F-Zero hasn't sold poop and we already have Captain Falcon, who only became as well known as he is because of Smash. As for Kirby, Sakurai created him and we all know it'd be retarded if he didn't put his own character in. He and Mario were the first two characters decided on to be in the first game back when they shifted development of the game to be a cross-over fighting game. Read up on dem interviews.
It's Retro huh? Well, F-Zero is plenty RETRO. It's 20 years old, launched with the SNES, was the big graphical advancement for Nintendo at the time with Mode 7 for the SNES, and so forth. So that's kind of a moot point. Also, a lot of franchises haven't sold poop, like post Star Fox 64 Star Fox, yet that gets to have 3 reps. At least Goroh wouldn't be a clone of a clone. Again, if it's about being either selling very well (which, again, Nintendo has a very annoyingly skewed view of what sells) or retro, then we have Mario vs. Pokemon plus Link, Kirby, and Samus. Congrats!
Quote from: Zero on October 28, 2011, 01:04:26 PM
So the spin-off games are cash-ins but "main series" games aren't? Oh god. I really pray that you've grown up to the point where you realize that the main series Nintendo games are yes, made for profit. They aren't made for you, or for fans in general. They're made for profit. Taking up roster spots is all he's good for? Really now? The same can be said for intercourse ing Birdo and Shy Guy(s), who weren'tt even meant to be Mario character(s) until Nintendo changed the poop out of Doki Doki Panic and HUZZAH instant Mario poop. Waluigi is more Mario than Birdo ever will be. It MAKES SENSE to have a parallel to Luigi just like Mario has Wario. herp le derp it really isn't as bad as you kids make it out to be. OH NO FILLER CHARACTER CHRIST. He'd be less of a intercourse ing filler than ROB was, that's for sure.
You actually believe the spin-off games are on par with main series Mario games?
Obviously Nintendo is in a business and both types of games are made for profit, but that doesn't mean that they're both of the same quality at all. You're basically saying that the same amount of time and effort went into SMG as any Mario Party, Golf, Tennis, whatever. :U
how many faggots does it take to make this thread?
apparently enough
Quote from: Bearissoslow on October 28, 2011, 07:00:58 PM
how many faggots does it take to make this thread?
apparently enough
Thank you for contributing, faggot.
that was so intercourse ing funny that i respect you now
bro points for life
Quote from: Zero on October 28, 2011, 01:04:26 PM
Waluigi is more Mario than Birdo ever will be.
Birdo: Super Mario Bros. 2
Super Mario RPG
Mario and Luigi Superstar Saga
Waluigi:
None
QuoteHe'd be less of a intercourse ing filler than ROB was, that's for sure.
R.O.B was a major marker for the NES era so you can rightly intercourse yourself now.
Quote from: Zeromus on October 28, 2011, 07:46:09 PM
Birdo: Super Mario Bros. 2
Super Mario RPG
Mario and Luigi Superstar Saga
Waluigi:
None
R.O.B was a major marker for the NES era so you can rightly intercourse yourself now.
Birdo was never meant to be a Mario character. It just happened. She's never been important and nowadays is just a partner for Yoshi, basically the same status that Waluigi is now I guess. Except for you know, Waluigi is a captain in Mario Strikers Charged when Birdo is a "sidekick".
ROB was a peripheral, not a character. He sucked and no one used him after the first week of using their NES.
Quote from: Nayrman on October 28, 2011, 03:50:22 PM
They are cash-ins. The main games try to have some level of merit on their own. What are the spin-offs? Board game, Tennis game, Golf game, blah blah blah there are dozens of these games out there. How do they get them to sell? Slap Mario's face on it of course! They are far more cash-ins than the main games. And I understand all of this is for profit, but that doesn't mean you can't be unique and come up with original ideas. That's the problem with supposedly "creative" mediums these days. It's more profit than creativity. And no one said anything about Birdo or Shy Guys. We were talking about Waluigi. Sheesh. Finally, it would make sense for Luigi to have his own evil clone if Waluigi actually DID something.
Aight I'll concede to that.
Uh, yes, virtual accomplishments is part of it otherwise just about anyone would be in and it'd probably be Mario vs. Pokemon and a little bit of Kirby in there because after all, IT'S ALL ABOUT PROFIT.
You think Nintendo is going about it the same way you are though? If they were, then intercourse ing Roy, Dr.Mario, Young Link, and Pichu wouldn't have been in Melee.
It's Retro huh? Well, F-Zero is plenty RETRO. It's 20 years old, launched with the SNES, was the big graphical advancement for Nintendo at the time with Mode 7 for the SNES, and so forth. So that's kind of a moot point. Also, a lot of franchises haven't sold poop, like post Star Fox 64 Star Fox, yet that gets to have 3 reps. At least Goroh wouldn't be a clone of a clone. Again, if it's about being either selling very well (which, again, Nintendo has a very annoyingly skewed view of what sells) or retro, then we have Mario vs. Pokemon plus Link, Kirby, and Samus. Congrats!
That's why we had Captain Falcon bro. He's the main character.
Quote from: Doodle on October 28, 2011, 05:38:15 PM
You actually believe the spin-off games are on par with main series Mario games?
Obviously Nintendo is in a business and both types of games are made for profit, but that doesn't mean that they're both of the same quality at all. You're basically saying that the same amount of time and effort went into SMG as any Mario Party, Golf, Tennis, whatever. :U
You're missing the point completely and putting words into my mouth.
I'm saying that what you feel is important might not be what Nintendo feels is important. It might be, but it might not be. They aren't the consumers.
Making assumptions is about rougly 90% of what you kids are doing and that isn't how you win an argument. j/s
i think dry bones shoul;d be in ssb4 since he wsa in maro kart he is a deservng rep 4 the franchice
Quote from: Ravioli on October 29, 2011, 06:38:01 PM
i think dry bones shoul;d be in ssb4 since he wsa in maro kart he is a deservng rep 4 the franchice
dont 4get baby daisy too
Funky Kong 4 Smash
Quote from: Kayghost on October 29, 2011, 08:27:59 PM
Name his moveset.
All the crazy weaponry he used to sell in DK64.
...Unless Rare says they own that side of his character.
Quote from: PrinnyOnLowBudgetChris on October 29, 2011, 08:30:14 PM
All the crazy weaponry he used to sell in DK64.
...Unless Rare says they own that side of his character.
Funky Kong was put in Mario Kart Wii so Nintendo must have SOME rights to him.
But he really can't do much except be a "cooler" DK.
Funky Kong is an arms expert, a pilot, and overall badass.
but funky4smash wasn't a serious suggestion so youre both stupid
I wouldn't care as long as we get King K. Rool, too
Quote from: PrinnyOnLowBudgetChris on October 29, 2011, 07:55:26 PM
That's actually not a bad idea.
oh get the intercourse out you dumb faggot
Quote from: Bearissoslow on October 30, 2011, 02:18:10 PM
oh get the intercourse out you dumb faggot
Thank for contributing again.
Quote from: PrinnyOnLowBudgetChris on October 30, 2011, 02:26:58 PM
Thank for contributing again.
my contribution is to attempt to negate whatever suggestions you all make
you think you have good ideas but your vocabulary must equivocate good and terrible.
Quote from: Bearissoslow on October 31, 2011, 07:20:17 AM
my contribution is to attempt to negate whatever suggestions you all make
you think you have good ideas but your vocabulary must equivocate good and terrible.
but you don't contribute to the discussion, which is what forums are for.
Quote from: Bearissoslow on October 31, 2011, 07:20:17 AM
my contribution is to attempt to negate whatever suggestions you all make
you think you have good ideas but your vocabulary must equivocate good and terrible.
SO what about stages
you can't really speculate on the stages
they're either obvious or could be anything
Quote from: Doodle on November 01, 2011, 12:21:38 PM
you can't really speculate on the stages
they're either obvious or could be anything
We can at least think about what seemingly obvious new ones could be in there.
RAINBOW ROAD.
BOWSER'S CASTLE.
PLEASE DO IT SAKURAI.
Also, we're probably losing Hyrule Temple this gen, so what's a good Zelda stage that could replace that?
Quote from: The Penguin on November 01, 2011, 04:08:54 PM
RAINBOW ROAD.
BOWSER'S CASTLE.
PLEASE DO IT SAKURAI.
Also, we're probably losing Hyrule Temple this gen, so what's a good Zelda stage that could replace that?
Completely unrelated to your post:
FUCK YES PENGUIN
time to go back to riddler
IT'S ADAM WEST BATMAN WEEK. EVERYONE DO IT.
Quote from: The Penguin on November 01, 2011, 04:08:54 PM
RAINBOW ROAD.
BOWSER'S CASTLE.
PLEASE DO IT SAKURAI.
Also, we're probably losing Hyrule Temple this gen, so what's a good Zelda stage that could replace that?
Bowser's Castle from Super Mario Bros. (Original) or like a newer one with Thwomps and stuff?
Doesn't matter to me; I just want the theme. Bowser's castle has been a staple since Super Mario Bros., yet it gets passed by for Rainbow Cruise and Mushroomy Kingdom? Lame.
Bowser's Castle would be a fun stage. Lava, those enemies that jump out of it, Thwomps, those spike things from SMW. They could use a whole bunch
Quote from: Doodle on November 02, 2011, 09:18:28 AM
Bowser's Castle would be a fun stage. Lava, those enemies that jump out of it, Thwomps, those spike things from SMW. They could use a whole bunch
Yeah I can see lava with the fireballs (Podoboo?) and Thwomps, also why not those blocks with the spinning arm of little fireballs? I also remember mini Bowser statues that shoot fireballs (from SMW and probably other games) and falling spikes. Any (or even all) of those could be used to make a really interesting stage.
Hm, I haven't seen bear get that angry lately; perhaps I should bring back this thread.
What are some more subtle changes you want in the game?
I'd like Kid Icarus's aesthetics to reflect Uprising; for example, his Dark Pit costume should be colored correctly and Palutena, if she is still his Final Smash, should be more animated in appearance than a still image now that she's a true character and not just the damsel you save at the end.
I'm also wondering how they'll deal with Star Fox and Metroid; should they keep the current Smash models based on Command and Prime, or should they be changed to the sleeker designs from 64 3D and Other M? I'd love Samus to get her sleeker suit, as well as be a more agile character (as the rumor sheet hinted at), and I also think her individual costumes should be more detailed, such as having the fully-detailed Fusion suit as a costume instead of a simple palette swap. Heck, on that note, why not have her Prime suit and Other M suit as two different costumes that are slightly different in color?
And speaking of Uprising, 64 3D, and Other M, I'd like their voice actors to return; granted, I don't really LIKE 64 3D's actors any more than Brawl's, but we need some consistency for the voice-acted characters, and so their newest actors should stick around for Smash Bros. and future individual-series titles.
64 3D's voice actors aren't *new*. They're the original VAs. And Star Fox characters don't have an aesthetic in line with any other Star Fox game - they should keep a similar look to what was uniquely made for them.
Other M's suit design was bland and unimaginative.
Quote from: Macawmoses on January 18, 2012, 12:59:19 AM
64 3D's voice actors aren't *new*. They're the original VAs.
This. It's too bad a lot of it sounds so half-assed, though.
If they re-use the Assault voices, I'll be happy. Those were the best voices they gave to the entire cast.
Quote from: GamingPrinceChris on January 18, 2012, 08:16:59 AM
If they re-use the Assault voices, I'll be happy. Those were the best voices they gave to the entire cast.
All I remember was that Krystal was mysteriously British (or perhaps I just didn't remember that being in Adventures as well) and that Slippy finally sounded male.
Quote from: Delibird on January 18, 2012, 05:06:03 PM
All I remember was that Krystal was mysteriously British (or perhaps I just didn't remember that being in Adventures as well) and that Slippy finally sounded male.
And Falco sounded like he was never born in New York/Brooklyn, which was still a plus.
Quote from: GamingPrinceChris on January 18, 2012, 05:08:56 PM
And Falco sounded like he was never born in New York/Brooklyn, which was still a plus.
Brawl's voices actually grew on me; I haven't played a Star Fox in a while (except 3D's store demo), but I've grown fond of Brooklyn Falco and Southern Wolf... but I still want consistency. If only Brawl's actors would be the defaults for new Star Fox titles, although that would require Star Fox to have come out with a new game since 2005.
Quote from: Delibird on January 18, 2012, 05:15:15 PM
Brawl's voices actually grew on me; I haven't played a Star Fox in a while (except 3D's store demo), but I've grown fond of Brooklyn Falco and Southern Wolf... but I still want consistency. If only Brawl's actors would be the defaults for new Star Fox titles, although that would require Star Fox to have come out with a new game since 2005.
What are you talking about? Fox and Wolf retained their Assault voices in Brawl, but Falco wasn't so lucky. Hell, Krystal still sounded the same in the conversations, as did everyone but Falco.
Quote from: GamingPrinceChris on January 18, 2012, 05:17:00 PM
What are you talking about? Fox and Wolf retained their Assault voices in Brawl, but Falco wasn't so lucky. Hell, Krystal still sounded the same in the conversations, as did everyone but Falco.
Good grief, it's been a long time since I played Assault. I don't remember Wolf sounding like that at all.
Quote from: Delibird on January 18, 2012, 05:38:00 PM
Good grief, it's been a long time since I played Assault. I don't remember Wolf sounding like that at all.
Yup, you forgot his voice evolution.
Too big for Smash? Too small for Ridley? I don't think it's game-breakingly big, nor is it uncharacteristically small; we'd just have a new biggest character, which other fighters have dealt with plenty of times.
Only possible problem may be if he can fit in certain parts of certain stages...
The arguments that Ridley couldn't be in a Smash Brothers game were poopty to begin with.
Not sure why you're randomly bringing this dead horse back to life.
Quote from: Delibird on January 27, 2012, 07:00:13 AM
Too big for Smash? Too small for Ridley? I don't think it's game-breakingly big, nor is it uncharacteristically small; we'd just have a new biggest character, which other fighters have dealt with plenty of times.
Only possible problem may be if he can fit in certain parts of certain stages...
he looks terrible at that size next to samus.
Quote from: Michio Kaku on January 27, 2012, 10:55:49 AM
The arguments that Ridley couldn't be in a Smash Brothers game were poopty to begin with.
Not sure why you're randomly bringing this dead horse back to life.
Because opinions.
Quote from: The Riddler on January 27, 2012, 03:27:38 PM
he looks terrible at that size next to samus.
I believe that it's been said over and over again that characters' sizes have been altered slightly to make them all closer together in size. Pikachu might be a bit bigger, Bowser might be a bit smaller, or whatever it was. But it's not THAT much of a size change, if anything.
But yeah, keeping size changes in mind, there really is no reason not to allow Ridley in Smash.
Obviously they'll make his baby form from Other M playable and have his space dragon form be its Final Smash.
Sakurai will do it, he's crazy.
oh btw http://www.n-europe.com/news.php?nid=16801
Here we go kids. The ride is officially beginning once again.
Quote from: Not Sad Keanu on March 28, 2012, 07:57:38 AM
oh btw http://www.n-europe.com/news.php?nid=16801
Here we go kids. The ride is officially beginning once again.
That's...not good news, though. It's nearly a month old. I want him to say it directly.
Kid Icarus needs new characters for Smash. Magnus is the obvious choice, but I'd prefer Palutena or Medusa, as Smash is severely lacking in females and magic users. If Palutena were playable, Pit's replacement FS could be the Sacred Treasures.
Quote from: The True Nicolas Cage on March 28, 2012, 09:35:24 AM
Kid Icarus needs new characters for Smash. Magnus is the obvious choice, but I'd prefer Palutena or Medusa, as Smash is severely lacking in females and magic users. If Palutena were playable, Pit's replacement FS could be the Sacred Treasures.
KIU is bound to bring us a new stage as well, but I'm not sure what exactly Palutena would do in Smash.
I'm sure she could do something. Borrow poop from Greek gods or whatever.
Quote from: NoiseHunterChris on March 28, 2012, 08:25:10 AM
That's...not good news, though. It's nearly a month old. I want him to say it directly.
It hasn't gotten much attention, I know. But of course it hasn't. It isn't as if they have anything to show for it, so it isn't exactly breaking news when Nintendo mentioned a new Smash Bros last E3. People already know its coming. Initial development announces are never a big deal.
I think he's mentioned some stuff about there being a possibility of a new DOJO. I'll have to find the source.
Well, it's been announced that Namco Bandai will somehow be helping Project SORA make these games... so that pretty much confirms a Namco character. Anyone wanna speculate?
Quote from: Trevelyan on June 22, 2012, 08:38:13 AM
Well, it's been announced that Namco Bandai will somehow be helping Project SORA make these games... so that pretty much confirms a Namco character. Anyone wanna speculate?
Pac-Man or Bomberman make the most amount of sense (I think Hudson is still owned by Namco, or I may be wrong.) make the most sense. I read the guy who did Tekken games is part of the main Namco team, but I'm really hoping no annoying Tekken characters get in. That'd be... really odd.
But yeah, I know this at least confirms some kind of character from them
I thought Hudson disbanded and joined Nintendo as a new company?
Also, screw Pac-Man. Klonoa has more oomph for a Namco representative.
Or YURI LOWELL. The producer of his game is working on the game, too.
Yuri Lowell or Klonoa all the intercourse ing way
http://www.screwattack.com/news/sakurai-feels-super-smash-bros-roster-its-limit (http://www.screwattack.com/news/sakurai-feels-super-smash-bros-roster-its-limit)
An interesting possible article from Sakurai divulging a few details about Smash 4. Mostly about characters. TLDR version: Need to balance and make characters unique, simply adding more won't do that, so may not expand roster as much as people like."
To be honest, I think this means we'll be getting more character cuts rather than simply add on characters *glares at Lucas, Lucario, and Wolf*, so I can still see quite a few new characters, just at the cost of characters from Brawl.
Sakurai also promised no clones, and we got three Landmasters.
Quote from: Tupin on July 03, 2012, 10:22:20 PM
Sakurai also promised no clones, and we got three Landmasters.
I know I know, just that considering any news is the first real news about the game, it just carries a bit more weight. And apparently Sakurai's view of clones is different from everyone else's. <_<;;
Namco Bandai is helping make the game
one of the producers of Tales of Vesperia is on the team
Yuri Lowell incoming.
I wouldn't mind them making certain cuts, but ONLY if they're replaced by more worthy characters. Also, you CAN have more characters without them being as horrendously unbalanced as they were in Brawl; if we barely get any new characters just because Sakurai likes Metaknight the best, I will be severely disappointed, ESPECIALLY since Namco Bandai is helping this time and could help him out with the process.
I'm pretty sure Sakurai is aware at how utterly broken Metaknight is based on him constantly talking about balance whenever he DOES talk about the game.
And I'm plenty fine with cuts as long as they make sense and we get greater diversity and not more pokemon/mario spam.
And as far as Namco goes, yeah, I'm pretty sure Pac-Man has the best shot overall, what with being super well known and a cartoonish mascot in the same wake as Mario...
Pac-Man would be boring since he doesn't really do anything terribly unique.
Unless they give him a mech like in Street Fighter X Tekken Vita...
Quote from: Trevelyan on July 04, 2012, 10:42:41 AM
Unless they give him a mech like in Street Fighter X Tekken Vita...
I would prefer not, thanks. <_<;;
Quote from: Nayrman on July 03, 2012, 09:51:43 PM
*glares at Lucas, Lucario, and Wolf*
Lucas was the closest to being a clone.
Lucario felt very unique, but people with the Mewtwo mentality need to let it go.
Wolf only had two moves that were copied to his moveset.
Quote from: Qsmash on July 04, 2012, 10:30:52 AM
Pac-Man would be boring since he doesn't really do anything terribly unique.
just counting the original game he does at least as much as the ice climbers did. and then there's all the poopty 90s platformers he was in.
and he's iconic as intercourse which is pretty much the point of the game.
did you all seriously ignore what i posted
one of the producers of Tales of Vesperia is working on this game
and that's a namco bandai game.
Yuri Lowell is practically a shoe-in.
Also Klonoa is more interesting than pacman
Really, with Namco Bandai having such a huge part in development of the game, I wouldn't be surprised if there were several characters from them. Heck, I bet they'll even put in one from their Bandai catalog.
Klonoa/Pac-Man/Yuri Lowell for Namco, maybe Mametchi for Bandai? Seems more possible than any DBZ character, it was in the Mario Kart Arcade games.
Screw Pac-Man.
Gimme Klonoa or Yuri Lowell or both. Klonoa looks better.
It's time to get rid of Jigglypuff. Seriously, I don't give a intercourse how popular she used to be.
A Lucario replacement from Gen V is practically a given and i'm okay with that but... just ugh.
That's to the people who whine about Pokemon reps, because Pikachu isn't going anywhere, and I get a feeling Red will stay.
I don't mind 3 pokemon reps. It IS one of the biggest franchises Nintendo owns. Pikachu, Red, and a current gen rep is all we need. I agree that Jigglypuff needs to finally go.
Quote from: Nayrman on July 04, 2012, 08:55:07 PM
I don't mind 3 pokemon reps. It IS one of the biggest franchises Nintendo owns. Pikachu, Red, and a current gen rep is all we need. I agree that Jigglypuff needs to finally go.
Consistently being the best-selling games on their home systems (all but the NDS) is nothing to sneeze at. The thing is Jigglypuff's presence USED to make sense. She USED to be much more popular among the franchise. Not anymore. She's old like Pikachu... but she's not the series mascot. Really no reason for her anymore. Especially when she's not even popular as a fighter anyway.
Stop whining about Jigglypuff. She's a Smash vet.
Quote from: The Riddler on July 04, 2012, 09:37:37 PM
Stop whining about Jigglypuff. She's a Smash vet.
Doesn't intercourse ing matter, she's past her prime and just because she was in the first game shouldn't mean she gets a free pass forever.
Smash vet. Not going anywhere. Stop whining.
Quote from: The Riddler on July 04, 2012, 10:36:39 PM
Smash vet. Not going anywhere. Stop whining.
Don't be so stiff. That means nothing.
Smash Vet. Not going anywhere.
Stop whining.
No, they need to stop removing characters at all. Just redesign them.
Quote from: Tupin on July 05, 2012, 09:24:53 AM
No, they need to stop removing characters at all. Just redesign them.
Finally, somebody said this.
You won the internet.
I wonder if they could have made Roy/Dr. Mario/Mewto/Pichu worthy characters. Then again, they weren't too terribly interesting or important, so no loss I guess.
Quote from: zephilicious on July 04, 2012, 11:35:02 AM
just counting the original game he does at least as much as the ice climbers did. and then there's all the poopty 90s platformers he was in.
and he's iconic as intercourse which is pretty much the point of the game.
I was talking about everything he has ever been in and I never said that he shouldn't be in, just that he'd be boring as intercourse .
Pac Man is iconic and all that but I doubt many Smash fans want him in
Quote from: Z on July 05, 2012, 02:33:57 PM
Pac Man is iconic and all that but I doubt many Smash fans want him in
Do you think many Smash fans wanted R.O.B.?
I wonder how much pull fans, especially international ones, have.
Quote from: The Riddler on July 04, 2012, 11:16:23 PM
Smash Vet. Not going anywhere.
Stop whining.
Saying it twice doesn't make it any more convincing.
If you're going to be so anal about it, you better not ninny even one word about there being "too many pokemon reps", because with your position you don't legitimately deserve to make that argument.
Quote from: Tupin on July 05, 2012, 09:24:53 AM
No, they need to stop removing characters at all. Just redesign them.
this is nonsensical they cant keep addind characters indefinitely.
also pokemon trainer annoys me on a conceptual level and should be cut before jigglypuff.
but jigglypuff should be cut too, and the longer they leave her in the harder that gets.
so pikachu plus one or two current mascots (victini and zoroark?)
or one mascot from each generation but thats probably too many
Quote from: Kayo on July 05, 2012, 03:25:12 PM
Saying it twice doesn't make it any more convincing.
If you're going to be so anal about it, you better not ninny even one word about there being "too many pokemon reps", because with your position you don't legitimately deserve to make that argument.
I don't give a intercourse about the amount of Pokemon reps. I'm not a crybaby about who gets more reps than others. Pokemon is Nintendo's second best selling franchise (and real close to first considering how much later after Mario it was released) and it deserves it's reps.
My only opinion comes from disagreeing with stupid suggestions like Gardevoir and Blaziken.
Jigglypuff is a Smash veteran. She's not going anywhere.
Quote from: Tupin on July 05, 2012, 03:21:10 PM
Do you think many Smash fans wanted R.O.B.?
I wonder how much pull fans, especially international ones, have.
No, I don't. R.O.B. was a good idea though.
Quote from: The Riddler on July 05, 2012, 05:34:00 PM
I don't give a intercourse about the amount of Pokemon reps. I'm not a crybaby about who gets more reps than others. Pokemon is Nintendo's second best selling franchise (and real close to first considering how much later after Mario it was released) and it deserves it's reps.
My only opinion comes from disagreeing with stupid suggestions like Gardevoir and Blaziken.
Jigglypuff is a Smash veteran. She's not going anywhere.
Giving the same exact argument a third time doesn't make you look any smarter.
Although, while he's not really famous at all, especially at this time, Blaziken would be better in Smash than Jigglypuff.
Maybe since we're out of Gen IV, and given the general fan opinion, just maybe they'll bring Mewtwo back to replace Lucario. It's wishful thinking for sure, but I wouldn't deem it impossible.
If they use Zoroark, I'm curious to know how they'll make use of its special ability. It's not like giving it the appearance of another Smash character until it takes X% damage would really work, due to the fact that you'd probably see that it's Zoroark before you battled it (except over Wi-Fi, maybe).
I really don't know if they'll put Zoroark in. I don't think it's as popular or famous as Lucario was.
Quote from: Kayo on July 05, 2012, 05:54:53 PM
Giving the same exact argument a third time doesn't make you look any smarter.
Although, while he's not really famous at all, especially at this time, Blaziken would be better in Smash than Jigglypuff.
Maybe since we're out of Gen IV, and given the general fan opinion, just maybe they'll bring Mewtwo back to replace Lucario. It's wishful thinking for sure, but I wouldn't deem it impossible.
If they use Zoroark, I'm curious to know how they'll make use of its special ability. It's not like giving it the appearance of another Smash character until it takes X% damage would really work, due to the fact that you'd probably see that it's Zoroark before you battled it (except over Wi-Fi, maybe).
I really don't know if they'll put Zoroark in. I don't think it's as popular or famous as Lucario was.
Smash Vet. not going anywhere. No one gives a intercourse about your opinion. No one from Smash 64 is getting the axe.
Plus Blaziken would be intercourse ing boring.
How do you know that Blaziken would be a boring character?
I doubt that Jigglypuff is getting the axe, though.
I don't think any 64 veteran will ever get the axe. Smash Bros. has become more than just a crossover; it's its own fighting series, and certain characters are classic mainstays. Removing ANYONE from SSB64 would be like removing a Street Fighter 2 character from the latest Street Fighter.
Quote from: Trevelyan on July 05, 2012, 06:25:42 PM
I don't think any 64 veteran will ever get the axe. Smash Bros. has become more than just a crossover; it's its own fighting series, and certain characters are classic mainstays. Removing ANYONE from SSB64 would be like removing a Street Fighter 2 character from the latest Street Fighter.
...which they've done before. Multiple times in fact.
Quote from: The Riddler on July 05, 2012, 05:55:59 PM
Smash Vet. not going anywhere. No one gives a intercourse about your opinion. No one from Smash 64 is getting the axe.
Plus Blaziken would be intercourse ing boring.
Stop being an idiot. It's actually got a handful of fire and fighting moves it could use. It seems entirely possible.
Quote from: Z on July 05, 2012, 06:18:20 PM
How do you know that Blaziken would be a boring character?
I doubt that Jigglypuff is getting the axe, though.
because blaziken is a boring intercourse ing pokemon
Quote from: Kayo on July 05, 2012, 07:00:11 PM
Stop being an idiot. It's actually got a handful of fire and fighting moves it could use. It seems entirely possible.
hi captain blaziken
Quote from: The Riddler on July 05, 2012, 07:05:54 PM
because blaziken is a boring intercourse ing pokemon
That can be said about every single other Pokemon. Your point isn't a very good one.
Quote from: Z on July 05, 2012, 07:33:29 PM
That can be said about every single other Pokemon. Your point isn't a very good one.
not every
but many
Quote from: Z on July 05, 2012, 06:37:00 PM
...which they've done before. Multiple times in fact.
Well, yeah, I suppose, but not permanently like Kayo is [I assume] suggesting. Even if Jiggs isn't important to Pokemon anymore, she's a key Smash Bros. character in the same vein as Captain Falcon (who hasn't had a new game in years).
that argument makes no sense. captain falcon is in because he's the main character of a major nintendo franchise. The franchise may not be relevant anymore, but he's still relevant to the franchise.
and intercourse off with this blaziken bullpoop. he's not getting in. he'd have trouble getting into an all pokemon fighting game.
Besides, randomly tossing a Blaziken seems way too desperate. I think it deserves an Assist Trophy spot, if the next game will still employ that.
SHOULD Jigglypuff go? Debatable. Will Jigglypuff go? No.
She is from 64, which is reason enough. Also, I can't see a smash game not having Jigglypuff. It just won't be smash without it.
Blaziken? Seriously?
Won't happen. As a starter, it's been popular, but it's never been a focus. Blaziken's never had his own movie, never been very recurring, and is a starter evo. If Blaziken ever made it, it would be part of a Pokémon Trainer gimmick. And I'm still positive that will not even happen. If anything is replacing Pokémon Trainer, it would be Gen II Starters (kinda going in a cycle, going to Gen II since last time was Gen I), or Gen V Starters (because they are the latest of the starters, and also play an important role in a recently made video game, Poképark 2)
Pikachu is the intercourse ing mascot.
Jigglypuff was a recurring Pokémon in the anime that had a nice funny personality.
Pichu was recurring in Pikachu shorts (pretty sure of this but not positive), and was Gen II (SSBM didn't have any Gen II Pokémon, which was the latest at the time, and Pichu was a very good choice to fill that gap). Not to mention it got some popularity.
Mewtwo was loved by many and had a whole movie based on it.
Lucario is the same story.
Pokémon Trainer is the original 3 Pokémon put into a gimmick, and all 3 were loved basically by default. Why? Well similar to the Jigglypuff story. They are part of the the first Dex. The first Starters.
Blaziken is a starter that looks cool and can kick... I don't see anything going for him in terms of importance in any way whatsoever. So besides "he could be good," give me something to work off of or shut the hell up.
Quote from: zephilicious on July 05, 2012, 08:04:02 PM
and intercourse off with this blaziken bullpoop. he's not getting in. he'd have trouble getting into an all pokemon fighting game.
Quote from: DededeCloneChris on July 05, 2012, 08:35:32 PM
Besides, randomly tossing a Blaziken seems way too desperate. I think it deserves an Assist Trophy spot, if the next game will still employ that.
Quote from: JrDude 益 on July 06, 2012, 12:29:03 AM
Blaziken? Seriously?
Won't happen. As a starter, it's been popular, but it's never been a focus. Blaziken's never had his own movie, never been very recurring, and is a starter evo. If Blaziken ever made it, it would be part of a Pokémon Trainer gimmick. And I'm still positive that will not even happen.
Blaziken is a starter that looks cool and can kick... I don't see anything going for him in terms of importance in any way whatsoever. So besides "he could be good," give me something to work off of or shut the hell up.
You people really need to read things. No one ever said nor implied that Blaziken SHOULD be in Smash. I threw it in as an example of something that could play better than Jigglypuff.
I could use about half the Pokemon in existence as examples to the exact same effect.
It should be noted(again) that Jigglypuff is a top tiered character in both the original Smash and in Melee. In both games, she's a fun character.
She more than likely will not leave the roster. Discussing it seems pointless as we know where everyone stands and the discussion isn't really going anywhere.
Let's discuss something else. Maybe what tweaks we'd like to see to existing characters? I would like to see Mario's FLUDD be more useful. More pushback+slight damage would be interesting. I'd also like to see Lucario stick around, as no matter what you say about the character, he is probably the most unique character in Brawl in terms of his fighting mechanics(not that any of them are overly complex) and aside from ONE special move and floatiness he is unlike Mewtwo in just about every way.
I just realized that this game is probably three to four years away and that we will be having arguments like this for the entirety of that time.
I seriously think they just started working on it. Like, they are doing concept drawings and nothing else so far.
Quote from: Z on July 06, 2012, 04:13:01 PM
I'd also like to see Lucario stick around, as no matter what you say about the character, he is probably the most unique character in Brawl in terms of his fighting mechanics(not that any of them are overly complex) and aside from ONE special move and floatiness he is unlike Mewtwo in just about every way.
The idea might have been unique, but IMO it wasn't executed as well as it should have been.
Quote from: Kayo on July 07, 2012, 03:06:44 PM
The idea might have been unique, but IMO it wasn't executed as well as it should have been.
What is wrong with it? Is it a problem that there is a cap on the damage to power increase?
Quote from: Tupin on July 07, 2012, 02:59:05 PM
I just realized that this game is probably three to four years away and that we will be having arguments like this for the entirety of that time.
I seriously think they just started working on it. Like, they are doing concept drawings and nothing else so far.
I don't think it'll be THAT long. It's a joint measure between Namco and Team Sora. Not to mention Brawl would've been out in two years save for some character delays (Remember, Sakruai wasn't on board for Brawl until after E3 2005, and we didn't get any info on it until the following year's E3. So essentially 2-2.5 years of development at most considering Japan's release date).
Just my thoughts on that anyway.
Quote from: Nayrman on July 07, 2012, 04:49:10 PM
I don't think it'll be THAT long. It's a joint measure between Namco and Team Sora. Not to mention Brawl would've been out in two years save for some character delays
I recall the single player modes being to blame for the delays.
Quote from: Z on July 07, 2012, 05:01:44 PM
I recall the single player modes being to blame for the delays.
Single player and a few character inclusions such as Sonic at the last minute are mostly it, yes. So yeah, I can see this game being out in say, two years if they know what they're doing from the get go...
I'm hoping that the team's increase in numbers and the bigger disc space will make development faster.
I'm hoping the game has the speed of Melee with the tight controls of Brawl.
Holy jizz
Or speed settings a la Street Fighter
You can customize everything else in the game it's not that far outside the realm of possibility
Quote from: zephilicious on July 07, 2012, 06:51:57 PM
Or speed settings a la Street Fighter
You can customize everything else in the game it's not that far outside the realm of possibility
That works.
Competitively everyone would just go to "Turbo" or whatever the equivalent is anyway.
right but it leaves the easy party game in place for their target audience
Melee's controls were pretty intercourse ing tight. BUT MAYBE THATS JUST ME
Quote from: Z on July 07, 2012, 04:40:25 PM
What is wrong with it? Is it a problem that there is a cap on the damage to power increase?
Lucario himself just wasn't really that good, I didn't think. The idea was fine, but the character just needed to be better so he could take advantage of it.
I'm just saying he needs a little tweaking if he stays.
http://vgtribune.com/smash-poll-2012-quarterfinals/
US character poll. This is for real.
The only one who seemed to be worthy enough was Professor Layton.
balloon fighter, flint, isaac, k. rool, little mac, mike jones, tom nook
Ashley would also be cool if they managed to do her right. But yeah, Isaac, King K. Rool, Little Mac, Ashley, and the reps from each of the Project Rainfall games. Also, Layton and Ridley. Also voted for Saki and Palutena for lack of anything really else to me. Even though Magnus would probably be the better choice from Uprising.
I just sigh at some of the results though. How the hell does Waluigi have so many darn votes? Same goes for Ghirahim. He was an awful, awful character. <_<;;
Quote from: Nayrman on July 09, 2012, 11:27:48 AM
How the hell does Waluigi have so many darn votes?
compared to the rest of the list, waluigi is at least among the top 5 most deserving.
but the list is poop. also it obviously won't accomplish anything.
Layton has no place in the game as cool of a character as he is.
Ashley is weaksauce.
Waluigi is poop stupid and they really shouldn't have included him.
This list is missing some real key players.
Quote from: Nayrman on July 09, 2012, 11:27:48 AM
Same goes for Ghirahim. He was an awful, awful character. <_<;;
I disagree; he could really work in Smash, and honestly I want to see him in. Waluigi though is kind of debatable. Someone on here once brought up the point that he appears pretty much in all the spinoffs when a filler character is needed, and his moves could represent the various spin-offs of the Mario series. That would be a half-decent idea, but if that's not going to be his moveset I don't want to see him in Smash for a million years.
I'm actually impressed at the amount of support for K. Rool. He's getting pretty old now but he could be a cool character with plenty of options.
But N? I honestly can't see how he could even fit in. Like, what would he POSSIBLY do besides be a Pokemon Trainer clone?
Quote from: Dawei on July 08, 2012, 04:57:52 PM
Melee's controls were pretty intercourse ing tight. BUT MAYBE THATS JUST ME
Melee is my preference and I play the poop out of both, but its something that I and a lot of people have noticed.
Quote from: Kayo on July 08, 2012, 06:40:50 PM
Lucario himself just wasn't really that good, I didn't think. The idea was fine, but the character just needed to be better so he could take advantage of it.
I'm just saying he needs a little tweaking if he stays.
While I agree with you that he needs some tweaking, the same can be said for all characters.
Lucario is top of C tier and is completely playable.
Quote from: Z on July 09, 2012, 11:37:09 AM
Melee is my preference and I play the poop out of both, but its something that I and a lot of people have noticed.
While I agree with you that he needs some tweaking, the same can be said for all characters.
Lucario is top of C tier and is completely playable.
I always liked his mechanics but was never too impressed when playing as him. I just think he of all characters needs to be better, so his trick can be taken advantage of to the fullest extent possible without becoming broken.
Quote from: Kayo on July 09, 2012, 11:40:42 AM
I always liked his mechanics but was never too impressed when playing as him. I just think he of all characters needs to be better, so his trick can be taken advantage of to the fullest extent possible without becoming broken.
Indeed
Also, what the intercourse vgtribune? No Megaman? Though knowing Capcom it isn't like that'd end well anyway.
sigh
Quote from: The Riddler on July 09, 2012, 11:35:38 AM
Ashley is weaksauce.
How so? I think if you got creative she could be a fun character. Could be another magic user considering Lucas is likely to get the axe, leaving us with really only Zelda and Ness in that regard.
Quote from: Kayo on July 09, 2012, 11:36:41 AM
I disagree; he could really work in Smash, and honestly I want to see him in. Waluigi though is kind of debatable. Someone on here once brought up the point that he appears pretty much in all the spinoffs when a filler character is needed, and his moves could represent the various spin-offs of the Mario series. That would be a half-decent idea, but if that's not going to be his moveset I don't want to see him in Smash for a million years.
I'm actually impressed at the amount of support for K. Rool. He's getting pretty old now but he could be a cool character with plenty of options.
But N? I honestly can't see how he could even fit in. Like, what would he POSSIBLY do besides be a Pokemon Trainer clone?
It's not that he couldn't work in Smash, it's just that he's an awful character in a very mediocre game. Ghirahim would be a total waste of space. If we want to put in another Zelda character, make it Vaati. At least he's been the final boss once and been a main antagonist in another game.
Waluigi would be a total waste of space. Never been in a non-spinoff, and really, don't we have ENOUGH Mario going on right now? Keep him as a costume swap for Luigi and it's fine... And as an assist trophy.
And yeah, N would be pointless when Red is already in the game.
Quote from: Z on July 09, 2012, 11:47:05 AM
Also, what the intercourse vgtribune? No Megaman? Though knowing Capcom it isn't like that'd end well anyway.
Knowing Capcom they'd let him in the game for DLC only for 15 bucks, then another 5 dollars per color swap.
I guess no one who's voting ever played StarTropics...
Sukapon and Little Mac make sense, they were actually in fighting games before.
Shulk? From Xenoblade? Nintendo didn't even want to give that game a wide release because they knew it would sell terribly, I doubt he would ever be in. Captain Rainbow would be cool, I suppose.
If we have a character from Skyward Sword, I know it will be Ghirahim, but I really want it to be Groose.
to be honest, I think we're fine with Zelda characters. @_@;;
Sukapon, Little Mac, Mike Jones, Tom Nook, Balloon Fighter, and Captain Rainbow are on my wishlist.
So I just had this wonderful vision of a Balloon fighter that could blow up extra balloons for more jumps, but becomes a slower/bigger target in the process.
His play style would involve this balance between popping balloons for better ground combat and re-inflating them more more versatile aerial combat.
I must have him.
Also a final smash where every character gets a balloon then the stage disappears.
I blame Brawl In The Family for bizarro Waluigi's obscene popularity.
Quote from: DededeCloneChris on July 09, 2012, 02:31:03 PM
I thank Brawl In The Family for bizarro Waluigi's obscene popularity.
My version of your thought.
I do wish Nintendo would do something with him, though; putting Wario and Waluigi in the 2D Mario games instead of Toad and Toad would certainly be nice.
Quote from: Nayrman on July 09, 2012, 01:08:37 PM
to be honest, I think we're fine with Zelda characters. @_@;;
I'd still rather see Ghirahim than Ganondorf. Haters gonna hate.
Quote from: Kayo on July 09, 2012, 06:16:15 PM
I'd still rather see Ghirahim than Ganondorf. Haters gonna hate.
Hmm... main bad guy of a legendary franchise or a weird, uninteresting side-villain who serves the main big bad in a very unremarkable game. *HATES* XP
Quote from: Nayrman on July 09, 2012, 07:12:29 PM
Hmm... main bad guy of a legendary franchise or a weird, uninteresting side-villain who serves the main big bad in a very unremarkable game. *HATES* XP
Once again, Groose should be playable. Just to show that they really don't care what fans think, because they probably don't.
This poll won't have any pull anyway, as it's not official.
As much as I want Mike Jones in the next Smash, it will never happen because he was in a USA-only series. Japanese players would have no idea who he was, and they probably have way more pull on who is in.
Quote from: Tupin on July 09, 2012, 07:51:33 PM
Once again, Groose should be playable. Just to show that they really don't care what fans think, because they probably don't.
This poll won't have any pull anyway, as it's not official.
As much as I want Mike Jones in the next Smash, it will never happen because he was in a USA-only series. Japanese players would have no idea who he was, and they probably have way more pull on who is in.
what would groose do
literally only his final smash is invisionable. he pulls back a giant catapult and launches a bomb
that's literally it
Quote from: Nayrman on July 09, 2012, 07:12:29 PM
Hmm... main bad guy of a legendary franchise or a weird, uninteresting side-villain who serves the main big bad in a very unremarkable game. *HATES* XP
It's purely my opinion, I thought Ghirahim was an interesting character, and I'm getting real bored of Ganondorf.
Quote from: Kayo on July 10, 2012, 08:45:09 AM
It's purely my opinion, I thought Ghirahim was an interesting character, and I'm getting real bored of Ganondorf.
Oh, you mean his entire character of "ooooh, I'm going to be strangely effeminate and be all "creepy" then stomp around when things don't go my way"? Yeah, great character there. <_<;;
Quote from: Nayrman on July 10, 2012, 10:23:15 AM
Oh, you mean his entire character of "ooooh, I'm going to be strangely effeminate and be all "creepy" then stomp around when things don't go my way"? Yeah, great character there. <_<;;
He was interesting.
Quote from: Kayo on July 10, 2012, 12:28:28 PM
He was interesting.
To each their own. I thought he was a horrid character with no personality...
Quote from: Nayrman on July 10, 2012, 04:39:15 PM
To each their own. I thought he was a horrid character with no personality...
Really? If
nothing else, he actually HAD personality. I'm surprised you feel that way.
Ghiriham SEEMED like he had "personality" in that he was a personality type which the Zelda series rarely promotes to the level of Main Villain (well, BASICALLY main, like Zant in TP). He stood out from the cast, and that made him fairly memorable and interesting imo.
However, he didn't really have a "personality" in the sense that he acted like a person; as different as his type was from the other characters, he was still as cut and dry as they come, standing out only due to his famously Zelda-y surroundings. I mean, if I had a nickel for every shallow, effeminate, even-darker-on-the-inside villain I saw in a game (or anime, which Ghirahim felt like he fell out of), I'd have quite a few nickels. Heck, I could practically hear Derek Stephen Prince's voice in every cutscene.
Personally, I wouldn't mind him making it in, but not in Ganondorf's stead; Ganondorf is the main villain of the series, one of Nintendo's best (if not their absolute best), AND he actually has some semblance of depth occasionally (The Wind Waker was particularly interesting, and don't say "He was only like that in one game", because Ghirahim was only IN one game).
Quote from: Trevelyan on July 10, 2012, 05:36:20 PM
Ghiriham SEEMED like he had "personality" in that he was a personality type which the Zelda series rarely promotes to the level of Main Villain (well, BASICALLY main, like Zant in TP). He stood out from the cast, and that made him fairly memorable and interesting imo.
However, he didn't really have a "personality" in the sense that he acted like a person; as different as his type was from the other characters, he was still as cut and dry as they come, standing out only due to his famously Zelda-y surroundings. I mean, if I had a nickel for every shallow, effeminate, even-darker-on-the-inside villain I saw in a game (or anime, which Ghirahim felt like he fell out of), I'd have quite a few nickels. Heck, I could practically hear Derek Stephen Prince's voice in every cutscene.
Personally, I wouldn't mind him making it in, but not in Ganondorf's stead; Ganondorf is the main villain of the series, one of Nintendo's best (if not their absolute best), AND he actually has some semblance of depth occasionally (The Wind Waker was particularly interesting, and don't say "He was only like that in one game", because Ghirahim was only IN one game).
Ganondorf's most likely not going to go anywhere; I'm just not too fond of him as a Smasher personally. I don't mind if he stays in, but I'd like to see Ghirahim.
We need someone like black shadow to take over ganondorf's moveset so ganondorf can play like he's supposed to. with magic and poop. and swords. and tridents. and poop.
Project Sora is finished, but this doesn't affect the fourth entry at all.
Project Sora was a company co-owned by Nintendo and Sora, Ltd., both of which still exist.
Sora, Ltd. made Brawl, then Project Sora made Kid Icarus Uprising, now Sora, Ltd. and Namco Bandai are making SSBU/3D.
Just want to make that clear before people think Sakurai has lost his company or something; Project Sora has indeed shut down, but the only game it ever made was Kid Icarus: Uprising, so it's irrelevant to Smashes past, present, or future.
New Rumor from a guy who claims to work for Sora Ltd. (http://www.zeldainformer.com/news/comments/rumor-next-smash-to-be-a-retro-throwback)
Basically, the difference between the two Smash games will be modernization: the 3DS game, called "Super Smash Bros. Memories," will be focused on old-school titles, while the Wii U game will be focused on more modern stuff; additionally, if you purchase both titles, you can use the stages and characters in either one, so don't worry about a character you want in one only being available in the other.
The source also lists some specific characters that will be in the Memories, the nostalgic 3DS version:
- Donkey Kong Jr. (um, what?)
- Stanley (is he the bug spray guy?)
- Mach Rider
- Takamaru (kinda saw this coming, what with his Nintendo Land appearance)
- Ridley (he's in the "nostalgic" one because he'll be smaller like his NES version)
- Pacman (well, Namco Bandai is involved)
- Dig Dug (lol)
lets be realistic here there werent any legitimate brawl leaks (or any other high profile game) until a month or two before release
people dont risk their jobs for anonymous internet fame
Quote from: zephilicious on July 30, 2012, 05:09:16 PM
lets be realistic here there werent any legitimate brawl leaks (or any other high profile game) until a month or two before release
people dont risk their jobs for anonymous internet fame
except poop gets leaked this early for namco and capcom games ALL the time
Namco is working on this, so its not that difficult to believe.
Zeph is right. Brawl had a bunch of companies working on it and little got leaked before the japanese release, if I remember correctly. Namco working on it probably wont dramatically increase leak chance.
This rumor seems pretty fake and it'll be disproven easily.
Quote from: X-3 on July 31, 2012, 09:28:45 AM
Zeph is right. Brawl had a bunch of companies working on it and little got leaked before the japanese release, if I remember correctly. Namco working on it probably wont dramatically increase leak chance.
This rumor seems pretty fake and it'll be disproven easily.
The fact nobody else in the most well-known gaming sites haven't brought it up kind of makes it a fake.
But THIS isn't a fake.
http://www.siliconera.com/2012/08/07/dont-expect-super-smash-bros-to-go-3d-says-director-sakurai/ (http://www.siliconera.com/2012/08/07/dont-expect-super-smash-bros-to-go-3d-says-director-sakurai/)
Our beloved game will never go 3D, as in 3D environments.
you dont need a leak to tell you that
Yeah. Nice of Sakurai to talk about the game without really saying much of anything. I mean, none of that was any surprise whatsoever. No 3D gameplay, which we all knew. Multiple control options, which we expected what with Wiimote support, GamepadPro/Not360, Tablet, etc., and not too many third parties. All of these pretty darn obvious.
No one pointing out "The game system itself is complete" and "Adding characters willy nilly would be bad"
Quote from: The Riddler on August 07, 2012, 10:00:19 PM
No one pointing out "The game system itself is complete" and "Adding characters willy nilly would be bad"
It's been clarified that Sakurai was talking about the 2D fighting environment being complete and shouldn't need more addition to the fighting part (except for items, I guess). Furthermore, the "adding characters" parts only refers that he doesn't want to go crazy adding lots of third-party characters that can make the game look less Nintendo-y (whether he'll keep Sonic and Snake is not known).
Nobody can finish making a game like theirs in four months.
I could definitely see him keeping Snake. Kojima really likes Snake being involved with Smash. Sakurai probably feels the same way.
SEGA could go either way with Sonic though
Using the same third parties every game turns them into out of place series mainstays. If every game has different third paries, then they're just guest characters a la soul calibur. The latter is clearly the better option.