What I believe to be a huge flaw in The Legend of Zelda Wind Waker is graphics. I personally did not like the new childish clay like animation. This has been my least favorite Legend of Zelda game for this reason and others. Many other reasons why this particual Legend of Zelda is my least favorite is how when you gain the Master sword you stay your puny child self. It should have teleported you through time. Also I really do just hate water based games.
The Legend of Zelda Wind Waker is still an amazing game with much fun to be held and challenging puzzles and bosses, I greatly enjoy this game even tho it is my least favorite of the franchise.
your opinions?
No issues with the graphics. I hated the Triforce Hunting. >:( That was the flaw that made me wait 3 years to beat the game! >:( >:( >:(
But I love this game. It's the best Zelda game (Second best is Majora's Mask!) I've ever played! ANd I've played all of them! ;D
Quote from: MasterYoungLink on March 15, 2008, 11:39:40 AM
No issues with the graphics. I hated the Triforce Hunting. >:( That was the flaw that made me wait 3 years to beat the game! >:( >:( >:(
But I love this game. It's the best Zelda game (Second best is Majora's Mask!) I've ever played! ANd I've played all of them! ;D
Orcarina of Time is the best!!!
I myself absolutely loved wind waker. For me it will always be in it's own special place, mainly because it was the first 3D Zelda game i had played. I loved the graphics of it, and i can't really see how any other type of graphics would of fit with it's gameplay and story.
Quote from: Allegretto on March 15, 2008, 11:43:51 AM
Quote from: MasterYoungLink on March 15, 2008, 11:39:40 AM
No issues with the graphics. I hated the Triforce Hunting. >:( That was the flaw that made me wait 3 years to beat the game! >:( >:( >:(
But I love this game. It's the best Zelda game (Second best is Majora's Mask!) I've ever played! ANd I've played all of them! ;D
Orcarina of Time is the best!!!
WW > OOT :)
Quote from: Oren on March 15, 2008, 03:31:55 PM
Quote from: Allegretto on March 15, 2008, 11:43:51 AM
Quote from: MasterYoungLink on March 15, 2008, 11:39:40 AM
No issues with the graphics. I hated the Triforce Hunting. >:( That was the flaw that made me wait 3 years to beat the game! >:( >:( >:(
But I love this game. It's the best Zelda game (Second best is Majora's Mask!) I've ever played! ANd I've played all of them! ;D
Orcarina of Time is the best!!!
WW > OOT :)
Does that mean OOT rules so much that it ate WW :D
The problem I had with WW was that all it really did was add a middle man and call itself a new experience. The sailing was just restrictive walking(using one Item at a time, a pain to change direction, went slower when you turned around) Charts were just a split up map, the parry move made the game's Enemies too easy. (with a few exception's) Making you control things with the Wind Waker instead of just making it into a item was slow, The deku leaf and grapping hook were overused to death, and there was nothing new in act three.
But I disagree, the graphics were great, but I still prefer relistic.
I liked the graphics, personally, and WW has always been great to me because it was my first Zelda. My main qualm was when sailing at night, especially to far off islands, the music stops. and it gets really boring.
Quote from: Ultrasuperstarenator on March 15, 2008, 03:43:12 PM
The problem I had with WW was that all it really did was add a middle man and call itself a new experience. The sailing was just restrictive walking(using one Item at a time, a pain to change direction, went slower when you turned around) Charts were just a split up map, the parry move made the game's Enemies too easy. (with a few exception's) Making you control things with the Wind Waker instead of just making it into a item was slow, The deku leaf and grapping hook were overused to death, and there was nothing new in act three.
But I disagree, the graphics were great, but I still prefer relistic.
I forgot about these reasons. But i completly agree.
The graphics were fine. I didn't care either way about them, but it was a kinda cool artistic design.
I just hated the triforce collection. I only went through the game once because of it. I don't feel like running around to find charts all over the place, especially because of how slow & restrictive sailing is.
Quote from: Allegretto on March 15, 2008, 11:43:51 AM
Quote from: MasterYoungLink on March 15, 2008, 11:39:40 AM
No issues with the graphics. I hated the Triforce Hunting. >:( That was the flaw that made me wait 3 years to beat the game! >:( >:( >:(
But I love this game. It's the best Zelda game (Second best is Majora's Mask!) I've ever played! ANd I've played all of them! ;D
Orcarina of Time is the best!!!
No. You have 6-8 versions of OoT already. Majora's Mask felt...diferent. :|
Quote from: MasterYoungLink on March 16, 2008, 10:14:32 AM
Quote from: Allegretto on March 15, 2008, 11:43:51 AM
Quote from: MasterYoungLink on March 15, 2008, 11:39:40 AM
No issues with the graphics. I hated the Triforce Hunting. >:( That was the flaw that made me wait 3 years to beat the game! >:( >:( >:(
But I love this game. It's the best Zelda game (Second best is Majora's Mask!) I've ever played! ANd I've played all of them! ;D
Orcarina of Time is the best!!!
No. You have 6-8 versions of OoT already. Majora's Mask felt...diferent. :|
.....Still orcarina had the best story..battles...items...gameplay..puzzles...Also you fight the King of Evil Ganondorf for the first time on the first 3d Zelda game.
Quote from: Allegretto on March 15, 2008, 03:33:49 PM
Quote from: Oren on March 15, 2008, 03:31:55 PM
Quote from: Allegretto on March 15, 2008, 11:43:51 AM
Quote from: MasterYoungLink on March 15, 2008, 11:39:40 AM
No issues with the graphics. I hated the Triforce Hunting. >:( That was the flaw that made me wait 3 years to beat the game! >:( >:( >:(
But I love this game. It's the best Zelda game (Second best is Majora's Mask!) I've ever played! ANd I've played all of them! ;D
Orcarina of Time is the best!!!
WW > OOT :)
no its WW shooting a gun at OOT
Does that mean OOT rules so much that it ate WW :D
Quote from: Allegretto on March 16, 2008, 03:47:52 PM
Quote from: MasterYoungLink on March 16, 2008, 10:14:32 AM
Quote from: Allegretto on March 15, 2008, 11:43:51 AM
Quote from: MasterYoungLink on March 15, 2008, 11:39:40 AM
No issues with the graphics. I hated the Triforce Hunting. >:( That was the flaw that made me wait 3 years to beat the game! >:( >:( >:(
But I love this game. It's the best Zelda game (Second best is Majora's Mask!) I've ever played! ANd I've played all of them! ;D
Orcarina of Time is the best!!!
No. You have 6-8 versions of OoT already. Majora's Mask felt...diferent. :|
.....Still orcarina had the best story..battles...items...gameplay..puzzles...Also you fight the King of Evil Ganondorf for the first time on the first 3d Zelda game.
And now to shoot down our common view. I thought OoT's story is the WORST out of the 4 3-D games. (if you count PH, then second worst.) And you can't really say the battles are any better than the others. (In fact, I thought WW's and TP's battle systems were much better) The items . . . er, I thought they were the worst too. Nothing really that cool. And I thought the Gameplay was slower than any of the other Zelda games, and puzzles I thought were . . . er, kinda unrealistic. Maybe I forgot to say it, but I thought WW was much better than OoT.
But TP is better still.
I found nothing wrong with WW. Awesome game :)
Quote from: Ultrasuperstarenator on March 16, 2008, 06:08:01 PM
Quote from: Allegretto on March 16, 2008, 03:47:52 PM
Quote from: MasterYoungLink on March 16, 2008, 10:14:32 AM
Quote from: Allegretto on March 15, 2008, 11:43:51 AM
Quote from: MasterYoungLink on March 15, 2008, 11:39:40 AM
No issues with the graphics. I hated the Triforce Hunting. >:( That was the flaw that made me wait 3 years to beat the game! >:( >:( >:(
But I love this game. It's the best Zelda game (Second best is Majora's Mask!) I've ever played! ANd I've played all of them! ;D
Orcarina of Time is the best!!!
No. You have 6-8 versions of OoT already. Majora's Mask felt...diferent. :|
.....Still orcarina had the best story..battles...items...gameplay..puzzles...Also you fight the King of Evil Ganondorf for the first time on the first 3d Zelda game.
And now to shoot down our common view. I thought OoT's story is the WORST out of the 4 3-D games. (if you count PH, then second worst.) And you can't really say the battles are any better than the others. (In fact, I thought WW's and TP's battle systems were much better) The items . . . er, I thought they were the worst too. Nothing really that cool. And I thought the Gameplay was slower than any of the other Zelda games, and puzzles I thought were . . . er, kinda unrealistic. Maybe I forgot to say it, but I thought WW was much better than OoT.
But TP is better still.
................Im speechless.....orcarina of time..owns..is all i can mutter
The graphical style is absolutely beautiful. I personally love it.
For me, the only flaw is the size of the map and the islands. There wasn't enough to do on most of them. The game could've been expanded to give people reasons to go to certain islands other than a heart piece.
You kidding me! I LOVED THE GRAPHICS! And the game had waaaay more exploration value than any other zelda game! It was by far the best Zelda, IMO! ;)
My top three Zelda's are
1. majora's Mask
2. OOT
3. WW
Majora's mask is special to me since it was my first Zelda game.
And the plot was the best zelda plot.
Masks ftw.
Orcarina of Time is my favorite because my first video game beat of all time. Thats also why link is my favorite video game character. ;D
Quote from: Allegretto on March 18, 2008, 07:49:58 PM
Orcarina of Time is my favorite because my first video game beat of all time. Thats also why link is my favorite video game character. ;D
Link owns.
I think I just have issues because I see it every day. :D
Still is fun...until you see Ruto. :|
Windwaker is awesome because of the graphics, It made it different.
Majora's Mask is the best 3D zelda game(yeah, that means it's better than TP and OOT)
It was different, I loved the mask system, I loved that the villain wasn't Ganondorf,
I also loved it because the dungeons were more difficult.
The only thing I didn't like about windwaker was the triforce hunt, sailing itself becomes bearable
after you play awhile, the dungeons were so-so, but still, windwaker comed 2nd in my
favorite Zelds.
Main pros of WW:
1) Graphics.
2) Character development of Link.
3) Elegant dungeon design.
4) First Zelda game with different music for every boss.
5) Parry Attacks/The rest of the combat engine.
Main cons of WW:
1) Not enough dungeons; I don't appreciate how Nintendo nerfed Ice Ring Isle and Fire Mountain into one room.
2) Triforce shard quest. All of it.
3) The warp song was too limited in its scope.
4) Tingle was a capitalist bastard who promoted slavery and a monopoly on the chart-reading market.
In terms of the 3D games...
Majora's Mask>Ocarina of Time>Wind Waker>Twilight Princess>Phantom Hourglass
In terms of the 2D ones...
Oracle of Ages>Oracle of Seasons>ALTTP>Minish Cap>Link's Awakening>LoZ>4SA>AoL
Quote from: PsychoYoshi on March 19, 2008, 01:12:58 PM
Main pros of WW:
1) Graphics.
2) Character development of Link.
3) Elegant dungeon design.
4) First Zelda game with different music for every boss.
5) Parry Attacks/The rest of the combat engine.
Main cons of WW:
1) Not enough dungeons; I don't appreciate how Nintendo nerfed Ice Ring Isle and Fire Mountain into one room.
2) Triforce shard quest. All of it.
3) The warp song was too limited in its scope.
4) Tingle was a capitalist bastard who promoted slavery and a monopoly on the chart-reading market.
In terms of the 3D games...
Majora's Mask>Ocarina of Time>Wind Waker>Twilight Princess>Phantom Hourglass
In terms of the 2D ones...
Oracle of Ages>Oracle of Seasons>ALTTP>Minish Cap>Link's Awakening>LoZ>4SA>AoL
Hmm...To me they are
Pros: Music system for bosses (Like you stated)
Unique dungeons, not like any other zelda game.
How you ahve fire and ice arrows in one bow
Cons
To short
Sailing...
Graphic design (Just not use to it from the first 2 zelda titles i had played)
no fairy
My favorites in order would be Orcarina of Time, Majora's mask, Wind waker, Phantom hourglass, Legend of Zelda, Legend of Zelda adventrues of Link.
Windwaker is was the best Zelda game to ever appear on a console.
Yes, even better than OOT.
The cel-shaded graphics gave the characters personality.
It was just too short.
Quote from: Tuppyluver1 on March 19, 2008, 01:30:10 PM
Windwaker is was the best Zelda game to ever appear on a console.
Yes, even better than OOT.
The cel-shaded graphics gave the characters personality.
It was just too short.
Not really. Link was the only one who was expressive. Tetra[spoiler]Zelda[/spoiler] kinda did, then no one else did.
Quote from: Allegretto on March 15, 2008, 11:43:51 AM
Quote from: MasterYoungLink on March 15, 2008, 11:39:40 AM
No issues with the graphics. I hated the Triforce Hunting. >:( That was the flaw that made me wait 3 years to beat the game! >:( >:( >:(
But I love this game. It's the best Zelda game (Second best is Majora's Mask!) I've ever played! ANd I've played all of them! ;D
Orcarina of Time is the best!!!
ALTTP! >:(
However, I doubt you've played OoT 2-D! :P
Quote from: Silly_Penguin on March 15, 2008, 12:34:35 PM
I myself absolutely loved wind waker. For me it will always be in it's own special place, mainly because it was the first 3D Zelda game i had played. I loved the graphics of it, and i can't really see how any other type of graphics would of fit with it's gameplay and story.
Really, this is all I'd say if I wrote up my own post. I loved the cel-shaded style. If I want a "Serious" Zelda (Of course, there's always the silent protagonist which stomps on any kind of plot development) I'll play Twilight Princess.
Quote from: Chain Chompesque on March 20, 2008, 01:55:30 PM
Quote from: Silly_Penguin on March 15, 2008, 12:34:35 PM
I myself absolutely loved wind waker. For me it will always be in it's own special place, mainly because it was the first 3D Zelda game i had played. I loved the graphics of it, and i can't really see how any other type of graphics would of fit with it's gameplay and story.
Really, this is all I'd say if I wrote up my own post. I loved the cel-shaded style. If I want a "Serious" Zelda (Of course, there's always the silent protagonist which stomps on any kind of plot development) I'll play Twilight Princess.
Still in all fairness I believe Orcarina of Time is the best. Mainly because Ganon is the main Villian in the series and that was the first 3-d Zelda game where you actually fought him.
Quote from: Allegretto on March 20, 2008, 02:27:17 PM
Quote from: Chain Chompesque on March 20, 2008, 01:55:30 PM
Quote from: Silly_Penguin on March 15, 2008, 12:34:35 PM
I myself absolutely loved wind waker. For me it will always be in it's own special place, mainly because it was the first 3D Zelda game i had played. I loved the graphics of it, and i can't really see how any other type of graphics would of fit with it's gameplay and story.
Really, this is all I'd say if I wrote up my own post. I loved the cel-shaded style. If I want a "Serious" Zelda (Of course, there's always the silent protagonist which stomps on any kind of plot development) I'll play Twilight Princess.
Still in all fairness I believe Orcarina of Time is the best. Mainly because Ganon is the main Villian in the series and that was the first 3-d Zelda game where you actually fought him.
Um, this doesn't really say anything on weither the game is good or not
Quote from: Allegretto on March 20, 2008, 02:27:17 PM
Quote from: Chain Chompesque on March 20, 2008, 01:55:30 PM
Quote from: Silly_Penguin on March 15, 2008, 12:34:35 PM
I myself absolutely loved wind waker. For me it will always be in it's own special place, mainly because it was the first 3D Zelda game i had played. I loved the graphics of it, and i can't really see how any other type of graphics would of fit with it's gameplay and story.
Really, this is all I'd say if I wrote up my own post. I loved the cel-shaded style. If I want a "Serious" Zelda (Of course, there's always the silent protagonist which stomps on any kind of plot development) I'll play Twilight Princess.
Still in all fairness I believe Orcarina of Time is the best. Mainly because Ganon is the main Villian in the series and that was the first 3-d Zelda game where you actually fought him.
Ocarina of Time is not the best 3D zelda game, sure it's the first 3D zelda game you fight ganon, that's all. Windwaker and Majora's Mask Surpassed OoT. Windwaker with it's graphics and characters, not to mention Ganon actually had character. Majora's mask and it's darker story,and harder dungeons.
Well you know all peronal opinions, there will always be people that like Majora's mask and windwaker more. I just have a love for Orcarina of Time, alot of history there.
Legend of zelda is still my favorite series and I love all the games tho ;)
Alright. Stop arguing about Zelda games.
Wind Waker was fantastic, so was Ocarina.
Keep on topic, it's fine to say why you liked or disliked Waker, but don't argue over opinions. Arguing over the internet is like entering the special olympics; even if you win, you're still a retard.
Or I'm locking it.
To the OP:
You basically are saying WW was bad because it wasn't OOT.
Quote from: Orgizirtee on March 20, 2008, 07:30:53 PM
Alright. Stop arguing about Zelda games.
Wind Waker was fantastic, so was Ocarina.
Keep on topic, it's fine to say why you liked or disliked Waker, but don't argue over opinions. Arguing over the internet is like entering the special olympics; even if you win, you're still a retard.
Or I'm locking it.
Alright
and No that is not what I am saying, I was posting my dislikes about That particular legend of Zelda game (Wind waker) I still think its fantastic, I just have personal dislikes about it. Orcarina of Time doesent have any flaws to me.
I dont dislike Wind Waker because its not Orcarina of Time.
I'd have to say the crucial flaw in The Wind Waker was the omission of more dungeons and the addition of the lame Triforce quest. Not only was it annoying, it made the Triforce look like a glorified bunch of puzzle pieces. I understand we have to find the pieces before, but you find them in chests literally at the bottom of the sea. The original Zelda had the limitations of being a NES game. This was GCN, I think they could have done a better job of keeping the Triforce's dignity. Then again Twilight Princess played both it and the Master Sword like a generic Zelda gimmick. At least there was more to the MS in TWW.
As for the graphics, to be honest, they're not childish. Cell shading doesn't mean cartoon, it means simplicity in shading. What people reacted to was the way the characters/enemies were DESIGNED, namely with big heads and tiny feet, something not all that contrary to Zelda both before and after TWW. It only struck home this time because the main characters like Link, Zelda and Ganondorf weren't spared and given the idealized treatment. Seriously, look at the size ratios to some of the enemies/characters in both OoT and TP. Big heads, small feet.
Personally, I think TWW was a stronger Zelda than TP. TP was just a fusion of everything we associate with Zelda without much else. What was new was left to develop, rather nicely I might add at times, only to be blindsided by some generic Zelda plot or to be ignored all together. The Twili? Zant? Don't worry, we have GANONDORF! Why, he's EVIL! Huzzah. The Wind Waker gave a spirit to the King of Evil, a twisted sense of duty to his people that we can relate with but at the same time are struck uneasy by the lengths he will go to claim his goal.
Sure, The Wind Waker did place fans at a VERY awkward jump in history, namely AFTER the fall of Hyrule, the land we've been saving, some of us anyway, for decades. Sure it did somewhat little to explain this fate and later on the creators filled in the blanks by my opinion the worst way possible, press conference, but the game didn't seem to push aside it's innovations and world to fit a Zelda stereotype as much as newer games have. I'm still tired of the tired Zelda formula of emerald, ruby, whatever, Master Sword, Pendant, Mirror, etc, Ganondorf, but this game did more to meld that into it's story and make it work. Twilight Princess played it out like a game and we all know Zelda isn't a game, it's a legend. It's just as much about the experience as it is about the gameplay. I'm beginning to think Nintendo has lost sight of that.
TheTrueLegend wins. The Wind Waker was very well done and I completely agree with your post.
They're all great games, regardless, but despite what's off about WW, it's still my favorite 3D Zelda game. I really got into OoT, MM, and TP.. slightly.. but I felt more attached to WW than the others because of everything it was. I'm more inclined to replay that title than any of the others.
As for 2D.. LttP and OoA/S. I can't really compare the 3D to 2D but this thread was originally just about WW. >_>
Quote from: Allegretto on March 21, 2008, 03:55:02 PM
Orcarina of Time doesent have any flaws
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Quote from: TheTrueLegend on March 23, 2008, 04:55:39 PM
I'd have to say the crucial flaw in The Wind Waker was the omission of more dungeons and the addition of the lame Triforce quest. Not only was it annoying, it made the Triforce look like a glorified bunch of puzzle pieces. I understand we have to find the pieces before, but you find them in chests literally at the bottom of the sea. The original Zelda had the limitations of being a NES game. This was GCN, I think they could have done a better job of keeping the Triforce's dignity. Then again Twilight Princess played both it and the Master Sword like a generic Zelda gimmick. At least there was more to the MS in TWW.Uh, sorry, but that doesn't really make sense. The master sword was a "gimmick" in WW, too. I mean, you got it for the exact same REASON as OoT. why isn't it okay in TP where it serves a different purpose?
As for the graphics, to be honest, they're not childish. Cell shading doesn't mean cartoon, it means simplicity in shading. What people reacted to was the way the characters/enemies were DESIGNED, namely with big heads and tiny feet, something not all that contrary to Zelda both before and after TWW. It only struck home this time because the main characters like Link, Zelda and Ganondorf weren't spared and given the idealized treatment. Seriously, look at the size ratios to some of the enemies/characters in both OoT and TP. Big heads, small feet. Um, so what does this have to do with anything? People other than Link, Zelda, and Aryll were HIDIOUS in WW.
Personally, I think TWW was a stronger Zelda than TP. TP was just a fusion of everything we associate with Zelda without much else. What was new was left to develop, rather nicely I might add at times, only to be blindsided by some generic Zelda plot or to be ignored all together. The Twili? Zant? Don't worry, we have GANONDORF! Why, he's EVIL! Huzzah. The Wind Waker gave a spirit to the King of Evil, a twisted sense of duty to his people that we can relate with but at the same time are struck uneasy by the lengths he will go to claim his goal. If they were already established, why flog a dead horse? You'd rather run into them again instead of Zant or Mida, who were better than either Zelda or Ganondorf?
Sure, The Wind Waker did place fans at a VERY awkward jump in history, namely AFTER the fall of Hyrule, the land we've been saving, some of us anyway, for decades. Sure it did somewhat little to explain this fate and later on the creators filled in the blanks by my opinion the worst way possible, press conference, but the game didn't seem to push aside it's innovations and world to fit a Zelda stereotype as much as newer games have. I'm still tired of the tired Zelda formula of emerald, ruby, whatever, Master Sword, Pendant, Mirror, etc, Ganondorf, but this game did more to meld that into it's story and make it work. Twilight Princess played it out like a game and we all know Zelda isn't a game, it's a legend. It's just as much about the experience as it is about the gameplay. I'm beginning to think Nintendo has lost sight of that.
TP was still better than WW. WW's story was just OoT all over again. You weren't suprised at all. That, and TP didn't repeat itself in act three with nothing new(unlike two other games I know . . .).
Quote from: Kazooie-Banjo on March 23, 2008, 11:35:20 PM
Quote from: Allegretto on March 21, 2008, 03:55:02 PM
Orcarina of Time doesent have any flaws
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I liked NAVI!!
Anyway Wind waker is still a great game and a game i play over and over again iv beat it well over 20 times =| I just dont liike how its so water based and the new graphic design. Still a great game