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Generally Speaking => Serious Discussion => Topic started by: CoasterKid93 on April 05, 2013, 06:25:38 AM

Title: Contoversy at my School
Post by: CoasterKid93 on April 05, 2013, 06:25:38 AM
So at my school, a few students are trying to get a priest for an on-campus Catholic organization fired because he said that homosexuality is immoral. Personally, I think the whole thing is stupid. Where have these people been for the past twenty-something years of their lives that they're just now realizing that Catholicism, or any religion for that matter, doesn't approve of it? Now, would I personally be part of this organization? Fuck that, but I'm not going to fire someone for regurgitating a common belief.

Most students on campus feel the same way I do, but it's still irritating to hear about.
Title: Re: Contoversy at my School
Post by: Custom on April 05, 2013, 11:55:49 AM
i thought your school was more conservative in the first place
next they're going to try to fire him for refusing to believe in evolution or the big bang theory
just hope that ignorance dies off with the old generation
Title: Re: Contoversy at my School
Post by: CoasterKid93 on April 05, 2013, 12:27:32 PM
Quote from: Custom on April 05, 2013, 11:55:49 AM
i thought your school was more conservative in the first place
next they're going to try to fire him for refusing to believe in evolution or the big bang theory
just hope that ignorance dies off with the old generation

My school is pretty liberal, so everyone made a big deal when they found out the Catholic priest doesn't like homosexuality. (Not a lot of people, but a decent amount). And yeah, it's a generational thing. I'm friends with people in the Catholic organization who are very pro-gay and what not.
Title: Re: Contoversy at my School
Post by: Zero on April 05, 2013, 01:27:01 PM
Quote from: CoasterKid93 on April 05, 2013, 12:27:32 PM
My school is pretty liberal

All colleges are. They're practically factories that churn out liberals.

If only liberal ideology was as perfect as they feel it is...

Anyway I agree with you man.

Title: Re: Contoversy at my School
Post by: Britz on April 05, 2013, 03:53:14 PM
Quote from: CoasterKid93 on April 05, 2013, 06:25:38 AM
Where have these people been for the past twenty-something years of their lives that they're just now realizing that Catholicism, or any religion for that matter, doesn't approve of it?
Exactly. The whole situation sounds dumb as poop, the priest is only repeating old-time Catholicism beliefs that have been around for like, forever? Next they'll want to get rid of that whole Catholic organization.
Title: Re: Contoversy at my School
Post by: Kayo on April 06, 2013, 08:29:05 PM
Honestly, excluding the laughable Westboro Baptist Church, the Catholics are GENERALLY pretty good at keeping their beliefs to themselves, so I don't see how such a group could hurt anyone. (Don't like what they're saying? Don't go to their meetings.)

Personally, I can't stand how people are starting to treat the Catholic Church as a hate group. It's an entire belief system that's incredibly common around the world and has been around for roughly 2,000 years and yet all they're seen as these days is people who don't approve of homosexuality (because everything is a sexuality issue now. Go 'merica.) Like Britz said, what's next? Try to wipe out the religion?

I feel like this is totally a hypocritical free speech/practice of religion issue--No one really cares too much if some guy wanted to tell his little organization that homosexuality is okay, so why are people making such a big deal when someone says it's not? Let people believe what they want to believe. You can't fire a priest for say, saying that Jesus did X or Y whether you believe it or not. While it's not quite the same thing, basically what it looks like they're doing is trying to get rid of him simply for his beliefs. And I don't quite see how that's an okay thing to do.

tl;dr To those students: He's not personally going after you so leave him alone.
Title: Re: Contoversy at my School
Post by: Zero on April 06, 2013, 10:46:54 PM
Quote from: Kayo on April 06, 2013, 08:29:05 PM
Honestly, excluding the laughable Westboro Baptist Church, the Catholics...

sorry m8 the Westboro Baptist Church isn't Catholic. They're Baptists.



Title: Re: Contoversy at my School
Post by: CoasterKid93 on April 07, 2013, 06:34:11 AM
Quote from: Z on April 06, 2013, 10:46:54 PM
sorry m8 the Westboro Baptist Church isn't Catholic. They're Baptists.

I think he was just getting at the point that most other branches of Christianity aren't like them. It's okay.
Title: Re: Contoversy at my School
Post by: zephilicious on April 07, 2013, 10:22:51 AM
but if you say catholic the wbc is already excluded
its redundant
Title: Re: Contoversy at my School
Post by: CoasterKid93 on April 07, 2013, 11:09:16 AM
Quote from: zephilicious on April 07, 2013, 10:22:51 AM
but if you say catholic the wbc is already excluded
its redundant

It's fine. This is NSFCD, not the New York Times.
Title: Re: Contoversy at my School
Post by: Custom on April 07, 2013, 01:41:45 PM
pray away the gay
pray away abortion
rip society
Title: Re: Contoversy at my School
Post by: Zero on April 07, 2013, 02:12:26 PM
Quote from: CoasterKid93 on April 07, 2013, 06:34:11 AM
I think he was just getting at the point that most other branches of Christianity aren't like them. It's okay.

That's a really nice way of saying he wasn't being very articulate with his English but okay I'm down.

I wasn't trying to be a dick. I was just clarifying.

Title: Re: Contoversy at my School
Post by: CoasterKid93 on April 07, 2013, 05:06:52 PM
Quote from: Z on April 07, 2013, 02:12:26 PM
That's a really nice way of saying he wasn't being very articulate with his English but okay I'm down.

I wasn't trying to be a dick. I was just clarifying.

It's okay Z, I still love you <3
Title: Re: Contoversy at my School
Post by: Kayo on April 07, 2013, 06:25:17 PM
Quote from: Z on April 06, 2013, 10:46:54 PM
sorry m8 the Westboro Baptist Church isn't Catholic. They're Baptists.




Really shows how much I know about branches of Christianity. I didn't even know those were different. I guess if you replace "Catholic" with "Christian" in my original post, my point still stands, though I definitely feel that more heat is focused specifically on the Catholics in today's society. Or it could just be any devout Christian religion tbh, it's still unfair either way.
Title: Re: Contoversy at my School
Post by: Zero on April 07, 2013, 07:13:38 PM
Quote from: CoasterKid93 on April 07, 2013, 05:06:52 PM
It's okay Z, I still love you <3

<3

Quote from: Kayo on April 07, 2013, 06:25:17 PM
Really shows how much I know about branches of Christianity. I didn't even know those were different. I guess if you replace "Catholic" with "Christian" in my original post, my point still stands, though I definitely feel that more heat is focused specifically on the Catholics in today's society. Or it could just be any devout Christian religion tbh, it's still unfair either way.

There are more Catholics in the world than there are Protestants. They also have the Pope and the whole child molestation crap to deal with. So yeah, they get way more attention. I don't think the Catholics are anywhere near deserving of being compared to the Westboro crowd, though.
Title: Re: Contoversy at my School
Post by: Kayo on April 08, 2013, 02:43:40 PM
Quote from: Z on April 07, 2013, 07:13:38 PM
<3

There are more Catholics in the world than there are Protestants. They also have the Pope and the whole child molestation crap to deal with. So yeah, they get way more attention. I don't think the Catholics are anywhere near deserving of being compared to the Westboro crowd, though.
I didn't say they were, I meany more along the lines of the WBC giving them a bad name. I mean, let's face it, they kind of made Christians everywhere look bad.

But what people don't get is, it's a church of about 40 members (most of which are just a single extended family) in a remote town in the middle of Kansas. They would be nothing if the media (and everyone else) didn't keep giving them attention. Now we have a good chunk of the population thinking that what they say makes even the slightest difference, but really the little church has less members than any given Elementary School.

Yeah, it gets the most attention, I mean, it's really the only major religion with a single universal leader, to my knowledge. But I was honestly shocked at how little the new Pope thing was even covered in the media. I mean yeah, pretty much every station said something about it, but it didn't really "explode" as much as I thought it would. It doesn't seem like people care all that much.

Though a lot of crap did arise about Benedict XVI supposedly resigning because of a child sex scandal, but people really just need to find a new way to get their laughs other than pulling a "religious official = child molester" card all because of what, how many of those folks actually did something to that effect?
Title: Re: Contoversy at my School
Post by: Zero on April 09, 2013, 05:31:48 PM
I get what you mean.

And for a group of around 40 people, you have to admit that they do some pretty intercourse ed up poop. That's why the media is all over it. It's intercourse ed up.
Title: Re: Contoversy at my School
Post by: Kayo on April 09, 2013, 07:26:17 PM
Quote from: Z on April 09, 2013, 05:31:48 PM
I get what you mean.

And for a group of around 40 people, you have to admit that they do some pretty intercourse ed up poop. That's why the media is all over it. It's intercourse ed up.
Or it could just, in all seriousness, be one of the greatest real-life trolling incidents ever. While that as you see it is doubtful, they obviously know what kind of media attention they get by doing what they do. They know that every new funeral they protest or whatever will give them media attention. Maybe all they see in that is a chance to use the media to "spread their message," but the one thing that we know for sure is that A) They're not actively hurting anyone, and B) giving them attention is only making them stronger.

Like, okay, so what they do is intercourse ed up. The thing is, who cares? It's not like anything they say will have any effect on laws passed and what not, and constantly giving them media attention is the equivalent of feeding an internet troll.
Title: Re: Contoversy at my School
Post by: Zero on April 10, 2013, 07:22:54 AM
Not everyone is as passive as you are, man. I get you, but obviously people care if they're this infamous.
Title: Re: Contoversy at my School
Post by: CoasterKid93 on April 10, 2013, 08:18:37 AM
Quote from: Kayo on April 09, 2013, 07:26:17 PM
It's not like anything they say will have any effect on laws passed and what not, and constantly giving them media attention is the equivalent of feeding an internet troll.

Actually, the main members of the Westboro Baptist Church are extremely accomplished lawyers, and have represented themselves on a number of Supreme Court cases. While they may not directly create laws, they definitely have an impact on the institution that does.
Title: Re: Contoversy at my School
Post by: Kayo on April 10, 2013, 02:05:49 PM
Quote from: CoasterKid93 on April 10, 2013, 08:18:37 AM
Actually, the main members of the Westboro Baptist Church are extremely accomplished lawyers, and have represented themselves on a number of Supreme Court cases. While they may not directly create laws, they definitely have an impact on the institution that does.
Yeah, but how much credit does the law really give them in such cases? I mean, if they defend a point really well, then they defend it well. And if they have a good defense for whatever they're presenting, then so be it. It shouldn't matter whether or not they're part of the WBC at that point; what matters is their argument and only that. Even though you or I may not agree one bit with anything they say, you have to credit their side of a debate if it's backed up well.

That being said, "GOD HATES FAGS" is not an acceptable defense, ever.
Title: Re: Contoversy at my School
Post by: CoasterKid93 on April 10, 2013, 03:42:29 PM
Quote from: Kayo on April 10, 2013, 02:05:49 PM
Yeah, but how much credit does the law really give them in such cases? I mean, if they defend a point really well, then they defend it well. And if they have a good defense for whatever they're presenting, then so be it. It shouldn't matter whether or not they're part of the WBC at that point; what matters is their argument and only that. Even though you or I may not agree one bit with anything they say, you have to credit their side of a debate if it's backed up well.

That being said, "GOD HATES FAGS" is not an acceptable defense, ever.

Well, yeah. I wasn't saying that any of that didn't matter. I was just pointing out the fact that they have an impact on policy. For example, the 2011 Supreme Court case Snyder v. Phelps: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/03/02/westboro-baptist-church-w_n_830209.html



Title: Re: Contoversy at my School
Post by: Kayo on April 10, 2013, 06:03:49 PM
Quote from: CoasterKid93 on April 10, 2013, 03:42:29 PM
Well, yeah. I wasn't saying that any of that didn't matter. I was just pointing out the fact that they have an impact on policy. For example, the 2011 Supreme Court case Snyder v. Phelps: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/03/02/westboro-baptist-church-w_n_830209.html

To be fair, as intercourse ing obnoxious as they were, it doesn't look they were in violation of any laws. It's a huge freedom of expression deal: the same stuff that makes burning bibles in public legal. Like picketing a soldier's funeral, just because it's legal doesn't mean it's an okay thing to do. It doesn't mean you're protected from millions of people in the country and beyond hating you. But you're still ultimately allowed to do it. Is it intercourse ed up? You bet your ass it is. The good news is, nearly everyone who reads that story will agree that the WBC acted obnoxiously. But there's no law against being a colossal vagina cleaning device.

What I meant originally, though, is that their radical opinions on social matters won't really have an effect on the governments' rulings on such matters. For example, their "God Hates Fags" campaign isn't worsening the chances of legalized same-sex marriage in the WBC's home state of Kansas one bit (How good or bad those changes already are is another story), because it's not like state lawmakers are looking at these campaigns and thinking "You know, these Westboro guys have a point, maybe X isn't such a good idea after all."

Title: Re: Contoversy at my School
Post by: CoasterKid93 on April 10, 2013, 06:39:35 PM
Quote from: Kayo on April 10, 2013, 06:03:49 PM
What I meant originally, though, is that their radical opinions on social matters won't really have an effect on the governments' rulings on such matters.

I know lol
Title: Re: Contoversy at my School
Post by: Kayo on April 10, 2013, 07:10:43 PM
Quote from: CoasterKid93 on April 10, 2013, 06:39:35 PM
I know lol
Well, when you brought up the article and said they had an "impact on policy" I wasn't sure we were quite on the same page.
Title: Re: Contoversy at my School
Post by: CoasterKid93 on April 10, 2013, 08:00:37 PM
Quote from: Kayo on April 10, 2013, 07:10:43 PM
Well, when you brought up the article and said they had an "impact on policy" I wasn't sure we were quite on the same page.

An "impact on policy" in that the arguments they brought before the Supreme Court secured their ability to continue doing what they're doing.
Title: Re: Contoversy at my School
Post by: Kayo on April 10, 2013, 09:14:58 PM
Quote from: CoasterKid93 on April 10, 2013, 08:00:37 PM
An "impact on policy" in that the arguments they brought before the Supreme Court secured their ability to continue doing what they're doing.
Well yeah, because as it stands what they're doing falls under free speech, so that was pretty much to be expected.
Title: Re: Contoversy at my School
Post by: Viewtifulboy on August 08, 2013, 08:50:34 AM
Not every Christian organization is anti-gay.  Just the loud ones.
Title: Re: Contoversy at my School
Post by: Custom on August 08, 2013, 09:08:34 AM
Quote from: Viewtifulboy on August 08, 2013, 08:50:34 AM
Not every Christian organization is anti-gay.  Just the loud ones.
whoa
this is surprisingly forward thinking from you
Title: Re: Contoversy at my School
Post by: CoasterKid93 on August 08, 2013, 01:01:25 PM
Quote from: Custom on August 08, 2013, 09:08:34 AM
whoa
this is surprisingly forward thinking from you