Well new Pokémon gen is coming eventually, and we all like to say our ideas and hope they will come into play and then get crushed when they obviously don't, but let's say them anyway!
Here, we say out ideas, but to make it less random and somewhat spammy and give you guys something to go on, I'll give you something to work with. I want you to say ideas for:
New Type Combinations: Be creative, but with this, also bring up what it could be. (EX: Bug/Dragon - A Dragonfly! [I am aware there are Dragonfly Pokémon])
New abilities: What it's called and what it does. (EX: Curse - After death, Pokémon who killed it is cursed [like the ghost version of the attack Curse])
Other: This can be for whatever else you want to add, don't go overboard though. (EX: Stuff for items, stuff to add on to the Safari Zone, Pokémon attacks, etc.)
Also, you're not limited to 1 idea each, you can do several.
I would love to see a Ghost/Fire Pokemon
Fire/Water idk
Fire/Grass idk
Ghost/Fighting idk
Dragon/Electric idk
Electric/Dark LUXRAY anyone?
Flying: never had this
Fire/Dragon Charizard
Poison/Dragon
Dark/Dragon idk
Water/Ghost idk
Dragon/Psychic idk
1. Isn't Dialga Steel/Dragon?
2. I asked you to say what it could be when doing new type combinations. I mean, what do you think it would look like? A purple flame with a face? or a grass blade on fire?
I was just throwing stuff out there. :P
And yeah I'll edit.
I'd like to see a game play mechanic added of traveling in a party with people, similar to how the show operated. It's a common occurrence in other RPG's and I think it could possibly add to the game a lot in terms of mechanics and the battle system.
Permanent double battle partner.
Type combinations and abilities are somewhat silly things to look for in a new generation, I think
Try more general game mechanics:
Much quicker and even one-way transfer of pokemon between games
Removal of HMs, to be replaced with something like key items or other switches
Cooperative multiplayer adventure gameplay, like posted already in this thread
Many more somewhat-equivalent training methods, instead of how there's currently just an Elite Four
More balancing of stats/strength among fully evolved pokemon
More selectable player characters, including ones older than 10 years
Quote from: bluaki on December 31, 2009, 11:54:55 PM
Type combinations and abilities are somewhat silly things to look for in a new generation, I think
Well, they seem to be the things people are most interested in.
One thing i DON'T want: Triple typing. here's why:
1. It's stupid. Its the kind of thing all the 10-year-olds want. It has no point at all. And, knowing GameFreak, they'd create a Bug/Flying/Fire type. OHKO'd by Stealth Rock.
2. It's confusing. Say 2 types resist an attack and one is weak to it. Or the other way around. All that damage is quite hard to figure out, and could add multiple weaknesses to once OU pokemon, possibly throwing them down to NU.
3. limited. Only Gen 5 pokemon could have it, actually. So disregard that OU to NU thing. They won't add a third type to Gen 1, 2, 3, or 4, because it would change the whole metagame. I mean, what would happen if Gyarados became Water/Flying/Dragon? I don't want to think about that. Well, i will. Negatively, it is now weak to Ice. (since one type resists while 2 are weak.) that could seriously hurt it. Plus, a Dragon weakness. Positively, Outrage gets STAB (it can learn outrage right? o_?). Also, the crippling 4x electric weakness is now 2x. Very easily handled by it. also, Grass resistance, and greater Fire resistance. And Water. A few 0.25x resistances there. Seems like its mostly positive, right. Congratulations, Gyarados is now Uber. :|
Not saying that would happen, but its likely if Gyarados gains a third type. One of the many many reasons triple typing fails. thoughts?
Triple typing will likely NEVER happen, so I don't think we'll have to worry about it.
Oh, and Gyarados should be Water/Dragon, not Water/Flying.
Quote from: PokemasterJ on January 01, 2010, 11:37:21 AM
Triple typing will likely NEVER happen, so I don't think we'll have to worry about it.
Oh, and Gyarados should be Water/Dragon, not Water/Flying.
The Dragon type wasn't originally part of the game. GameFreak decided when they added it to make the Dragonite family part Dragon. (They were originally Normal-- Dragonite was Normal/Flying)... If the dragon type was there with the other 16 types since the beginning, Gyarados and possibly Charizard would be part Dragon, instead of flying.
Um...no. Dragonite has ALWAYS been Dragon/Flying.
If not, then what type would Lance's pokemon be?
Quote from: PokemasterJ on January 01, 2010, 05:28:05 PM
Um...no. Dragonite has ALWAYS been Dragon/Flying.
If not, then what type would Lance's pokemon be?
ahem. I didn't say Dragon didn't exist when the game came out. GameFreak didn't make dragon a type when they made the other 16. I think Dragonite was still Dragon when R/B/G came out, but on paper it was Normal/Flying.
They only had 15 or 16 at the beginning. Dark and Steel (idk) were implemented in G/S/C.
On the topic of triple typing, you are wrong J. It won't likely never happen, it will NEVER happen. That is not an opinion, it is a fact. I don't think this just because I don't like the idea, I know it because it's true.
Anything can happen.
It only has a 00.00000000000000001% chance, though.
Quote from: PokemasterJ on January 01, 2010, 11:08:14 PM
Anything can happen.
It only has a 00.00000000000000001% chance, though.
Anything
can happen, but it won't. so change that to a 0% and you're accurate ;)
Triple type Pokemon would be a waste of time, simple.
Go online, walk around with other people and travel with them. Or help them in parts. It'd be awesome.
8 directional movement.
Finish the double pairings. I don't care if they would be too strong, there should be at least one for every pair. Also, Pure Flying Type plzkthx.
A tournament style Pokemon League that ends in the Elite Four, instead of a Victory Road.
All landmasses available to travel to.
Since nobody said "Limited to main games only", I might as well repost this quote:
Quote from: Third K on December 30, 2009, 12:40:41 AM
I've been very uninterested into the series in general, but If I was to say something I'd want to see in Gen V, It's something like Pokemon Colosseum. I felt that had a good approach (A Storylineish Pokemon game) as a console game, but just bunked due to approaching the idea the wrong way. I see it better than "Hey, let's resell our game in 3D Requiring a handheld console to play it"
Some specific random ideas of my boredom:
-Make the Storyline overall better and more lively. Oh, so what If most of your pokemon get captured or gunfire goes loose? Not that it needs to be violenced up or anything, but It's kinda a letdown when most of Nintendo's other RPG's at least have some decent ammount of interesting story.
-Make towns more lively in an aspect of that. Maybe have a Square, a Plaza, a Downtown, and so forth.
-No annoying voice actors or getting lazy with text.
-If all your pokemon die, in certain battles (Storyline) You have to go in.
-Make it four players, or two players at best. If I had to have my friend controlling just the second pokemon right beside mine, that would've already make Colosseum worth replaying.
-Get rid of the whole Flute/Dark pokemon theme. Just have people who are breeding pokemon wrong. I don't want to have to keep pressing "LOL FLUTE" Then actually get the pokemon or anything like that; It feels more like a chore than anything else.
-Make the Pokemon or SOME Supporting character have a soul in there.
-Jumping? Dunno, work on that.
And:
Quote from: Robbie Riddle on January 02, 2010, 09:11:31 AM
8 directional movement.
They still haven't done that?
They need to get on this, now.
Make a real intercourse ing story.
Quote from: Mystic on January 03, 2010, 12:02:18 PM
Make a real intercourse ing story.
You sir deserve a Medal.
Seriously, the Gym Badge poop is getting old in the Spin-Offs and
extremely old in the main games. At least add some variety to it. It's not hard too either.
let us be bad guys!!!
Quote from: Third K on January 03, 2010, 12:05:03 PM
You sir deserve a Medal.
Seriously, the Gym Badge poop is getting old in the Spin-Offs and extremely old in the main games. At least add some variety to it. It's not hard too either.
Yes. The story also needs to be more dynamic.
How about, the bad guys have already taken over the world? The world is in a post-apocalyptic state, you join a team of rebels fighting, and it goes from there.
Quote from: Mystic on January 03, 2010, 08:02:17 PM
Yes. The story also needs to be more dynamic.
How about, the bad guys have already taken over the world? The world is in a post-apocalyptic state, you join a team of rebels fighting, and it goes from there.
Why must it be a post-apocalyptic state? If it's the case of an organization like Team Rocket (who I'd enjoy seeing make a return like the original games, or much like the one from the manga anyways), it would lean more towards a dystopian society and world.
Quote from: Friendly Hostile on January 03, 2010, 08:46:01 PM
Why must it be a post-apocalyptic state? If it's the case of an organization like Team Rocket (who I'd enjoy seeing make a return like the original games, or much like the one from the manga anyways), it would lean more towards a dystopian society and world.
Doesn't have to be, just an idea. That would work too. Something that shows a real threat.
Quote from: Mystic on January 03, 2010, 09:00:22 PM
Doesn't have to be, just an idea. That would work too. Something that shows a real threat.
I'd like something than the apocalypse theme as more and more games are utilizing in their stories as of late. Like the zombie genre, it's becoming a point where a lot of games are going for it.
That's true. Totalitarianism/dystopia would be interesting. Espeically if they could tie all the organizations from previous games together.
I like gyms D=
They should stay, but I also think it's just something you have to do, but nothing to do with the storyline, kinda like that one part in Platinum where your rival is up there, and to continue the "story," you have to get the badge so you can use the HM.
Quote from: JrDude ½ on January 04, 2010, 01:48:55 AM
I like gyms D=
They should stay, but I also think it's just something you have to do, but nothing to do with the storyline, kinda like that one part in Platinum where your rival is up there, and to continue the "story," you have to get the badge so you can use the HM.
You mean Gym's stay but just to be like the Trouble Quest in TTYD?
If so, you have my support.
As for plot: Think FH's idea is pretty neat. It altogether doesn't seem overdone in plot twists, yet it doesn't feel half assed.
Maybe if they hired another team from within Nintendo to write the plot? (Assuming there are people in Nintendo that are good at that.)
Quote from: So_So_Man on January 04, 2010, 07:51:10 PM
Maybe if they hired another team from within Nintendo to write the plot? (Assuming there are people in Nintendo that are good at that.)
Intelligent Systems and Camelot are all Nintendo have in that department if you're posing restrictions on them.
Triple typing for combat would be a very bad move, and the balance they've established between the types would be thrown off completely. The most they could get away with is a "Sub-type" which is just there to explain the obvious(i.e. Charizard's sub-type would be Dragon) and would have no effect on combat. This doesn't seem likely and would be useless anyways.
I'm all for new plot elements. Keep the gyms, but don't have the game revolve around them, etc.
As far as new pokemon, I'm not sure I even want any. With each gen the designs are looking more and more...unappealing. There are only a few among the 3rd and 4th gens I can look at and say "that looks like a pokemon". Drapion looks like a freakin' Digimon. Besides, they're having obvious problems coming up with new ideas and it seems like they've exhausted every possible source for a pokemon idea.
I wish I could, but I'm not going to take time and space by quoting like 10 posts. The post is long enough anyway.
AHH WALL OF TEXT D: ^_^
Concerning triple-typing, I've always wanted this. However, I also realize that
it would create many difficulties in determining resistances, weaknesses, and damage multiplication. My solution to this is to
have up to two main types (which has been normal in every game), and then have a third type that doesn't give a resistance or weakness, only the Same Type Attack Bonus. For instance; Charizard is a Fire-Flying-Type (most likely not Dragon because it's a starter), but it could also be the Dragon-Type. Because the third would be confusing, it would not count for any resistances or weaknesses, therefore, Charizard would still be treated as a Fire-Flying-Type, but gain the 1.5 damage multiplier that its Dragon-Type gives when using Dragon-Type moves.
The same goes for move types.
If double type moves were introduced, to avoid confusion, one type would determine the type that is used in terms of effectiveness against the foe and the other type would just get STAB. For instance; Blaze Kick could be a Fire-Type attack, but have the Fighting-Type that wouldn't be counted for effectiveness as well. The move would just gain another bonus if it were used by a Fighting-Type Pokémon. I'd really like to see what would happen if dual type attacks were added and both types were counted for effectiveness though. That'd be interesting.
As for story mode, I agree with Friendly Hostile.
There should definitely be a party mode; I've always wanted that. It'd be great to travel with Brock and Misty, Max and May, or Dawn in each region.
Maybe you could somehow travel with all of them at once, or maybe the region would determine your traveling companions. Or even another way to completely customize your party would be to pick up/drop off people at their house in their region. If you want Brock to travel with you, pick him up at his Gym (or his house, if it's added in and he's not a Gym Leader). If you don't want him in your party anymore, just take him back home, and if want him again, pick him up anytime. The same goes for everyone else.
You should also be able to have at least one Pokémon outside its Pokéball. Also, you could decide if you want to have double battles with a partner on your team all the time or not. With double battles, it'd be easier facing Trainers and wild Pokémon and all Pokémon used would recover 1/8 HP or something. However, you wouldn't be able to catch any Pokémon using this, unless maybe one of the two foes is fainted.
Also, the games could have more (but shorter) side quests and post-game quests. In addition, the ability to really talk would be revolutionary for Pokémon. It’d be fun to really talk with your traveling companions and make relationships with them; it’d work just like Friendship. This might get too complicated though.
Concerning made-up Abilities and moves, here are some of mine:
- Moves:
* "Snipe Shot": Steel-Type/Physical
? undecided/80 Basic Attack Power/-- Accuracy/5 PP (Always hits--unlike Swift--no matter what the circumstances)
* "Last Effort": Normal-Type/Physical
?/150 Basic Attack Power/100 Accuracy/5 PP (Can be unfailingly used even when Frozen, Asleep, Paralyzed, Confused, or any other move restriction, but Pokémon must have less than half HP to use plus one of these conditions or have less than 1/6 HP. Takes away 1/2 remaining HP if less than 1/6 HP condition is met without another condition.)
- Abilities:
* "Brush Off"/"Neat Keeper": If the Pokémon has more than 3/4 HP at the end of a turn, it gains 1/8 HP (maybe 1/16). Brush Off would be more for Fighting-Types and Neat Keeper would be more for Normal-Types.
Dang it; I had more, but none come to mind right now. Also, I’d list my made-up Pokémon, but, seeing as I made them a while ago, I can’t remember exactly what they were like.
As for type combinations I’d like to see, here are some (some have been posted already):
- Electric-Dark: WHY WAS LUXRAY NOT THIS
- Ghost-Fire
- Ghost-Grass
- Ghost-Fighting
- Fire-Grass
- Ghost-Rock
- Ground-Dark
- Psychic-Dark
- Psychic-Fire
- Bug-Fire
- Fire-Poison
- AND PUT IN A LIGHT-TYPE
Dual-type attacks and triple-type pokemon are a silly idea, in my opinion, that I don't want to see. Double-type attacks would be reason to create a ton of nonsensical attacks just for the sake of having some, and it would also make many more moves that are likely to be restricted to very few pokemon. The only attack I can think of right now that could be called dual-type is Muddy Water. Similar idea against triple-type pokemon: I'd rather not see a ton of pokemon created for the sole reason of taking advantage of triple types. They both would of course heavily screw up the battle mechanics.
Ghost/Fire is a type combination I'm surprised doesn't exist yet. Especially considering how much Will-O-Wisp is associated with Ghost-types.
Quote from: bluaki on January 12, 2010, 10:30:56 PM
Dual-type attacks and triple-type pokemon are a silly idea, in my opinion, that I don't want to see. Double-type attacks would be reason to create a ton of nonsensical attacks just for the sake of having some, and it would also make many more moves that are likely to be restricted to very few pokemon. The only attack I can think of right now that could be called dual-type is Muddy Water. Similar idea against triple-type pokemon: I'd rather not see a ton of pokemon created for the sole reason of taking advantage of triple types. They both would of course heavily screw up the battle mechanics.
Ghost/Fire is a type combination I'm surprised doesn't exist yet. Especially considering how much Will-O-Wisp is associated with Ghost-types.
Don't you trust the developers? Obviously these problems could arise with trying to take advantage of a "fresh," new idea, but if a Pokémon is created and its stats and types are assigned later, I think that could work out. For instance, if Charizard had never been a Pokémon, and is going through the creation process right now, the developers could make it and then assign it the types of Fire-Flying-Dragon (with Dragon being the type that doesn't count for weaknesses/resistances, probably because it's a Starter). I hope you read about my solution (I know it's long but you'll see what I mean), because it solves the problem of battle mechanics (unless you think that more attacks with STAB for more Pokémon is a problem).
As for dual-type attacks, I also thought of Muddy Water. Here's a list of moves that I think could work for dual-types (an example of how they could work is in my long, previous post):
- Sandstorm: Rock-Ground
- Fire/Ice/Thunder Punch: Fire/Ice/Electric-Fighting
- Poison Jab: Poison-Fighting
- Will-O-Wisp: Ghost-Fire
- Dream Eater: Ghost-Psychic
Quote from: TerribleFrog 39 on January 15, 2010, 08:26:39 PM
Don't you trust the developers? Obviously these problems could arise with trying to take advantage of a "fresh," new idea, but if a Pokémon is created and its stats and types are assigned later, I think that could work out.
Don't I trust the developers to do what, make a huge mechanic change that would completely change the game but without implementing that mechanic for more than a very small number of pokemon that it might kinda work with? Not at all, not to mention that seems pointless.
Oh, and you want Fire-Flying-Dragon Charizard? Then be prepared for it being: weak to ice (2x), not at all weak to water (1x), and not weak to electricity (1x)
Does that sound at all like Charizard? No, you've effectively completely broken him.
Also, it would be 8x resistant to grass, 4x resistant to fire, 4x resistant to bug, 2x resistant to steel, and completely resistant to ground. That's a rather insane amount of resistance, with only three weaknesses (4x rock, 2x dragon, 2x ice)
Charizard is a dragon-like pokemon, not a dragon-type pokemon. There's a good reason for that distinction. Same goes for any other Pokemon you might want to become triple-type like Lugia. Making a type that affects only STAB sounds silly, confusing to new players, and essentially pointless.
Though it's retarded, he means the 3rd type would have no effect on his weaknesses/resistances, just for STAB. Or that's how I read it anyway.
It will never happen. I can promise and guarantee it will never happen. Yes it's possible for it to happen, but it won't, understand?
Umm, you didn't read the post correctly. In the Charizard example, Dragon type had no effect on weakness or resistances, it just meant Charizard could use moves like Dragon Claw and get STAB. I think it's a fairly novel idea. Whether this would break the game or not is wholly up to the developers. Yeah, there will be a bunch of gimmick Pokemon if this comes about, but there are gimmick Pokemon for every new battle mechanic introduced. Personally, I don't think the third type proposed here would affect the game nearly as much as the Steel/Dark types, abilities, or the physical/special change.
Dual moves, on the other hand, I can't get behind; the aforementioned physical/special change took care of that, I feel. Yeah, Hitmonlee won't get STAB from Blaze Kick, but now the move is reliant on it's Attack instead of its SpAttack, which is good enough.
As for things I would like to see in the next gen...
A better storyline, yes. The ultimate goal of the games is to become the Champion, of course, but a plot like the ones in the manga would be more appealing...
HMs that are less intrusive, kind of like abilities. Certain Pokemon can learn certain moves, but instead of it taking up a valuable move slot, a tutor who you must prove your worthiness to through badge presentation will unlock you Pokemon's hidden potential and that Pokemon can now remove those obstacles. And just to be fun, you can still receive the HM and Pokemon that learn it through the HM will learn the move and the ability.
Pokemon seasons would be a pain in the ass, which is exactly why I want it; I think giving Pokemon a more Animal Crossing feel in terms of adventuring would raise the replay value. There's a legendary Pokemon that only appears on the winter solstice? Cool, one less Nintendo event to go to. Different quests and stuff during different parts of the year would be cool. At least, give it a month cycle if year takes too long.
3D. I mean, Pokemon Colosseum did a pretty good job with it. Also, why are Pokemon still making beeps and bloops? Especially when they say their names in every other media.
I would really like to see a permanent partner in the games. I mean, they don't even have to battle, but they could drive the main plot while you're an aspiring trainer who's journeying with them. Again, Colosseum did it, so why can't the main games?
As for battle mechanics, I like the idea of combo moves in double battles; say you have Dialga and Palkia and both use their signature moves; the resulting move could be something like Big Bang from Tales of the Abyss (with awesome anime cut-in, too). But yeah, mostly more interaction between your Pokemon in double battles. Also, this isn't a battle mechanic, but better portrayals of moves; the ones in Battle Revolution weren't half bad.
Um, customize your character was cool; they did it in PBR, so why not. It's easier to pull of if the game is 3D. Personally I'd like to see something Phantasy Star Online. Heck, maybe the accessories you as a trainer wear can effect your ability to train certain Pokemon types (get more exp).
I like Rob's idea for the end-game tournament, then the Elite Four run. It's assumed that's how the anime does it, so why not. Also, maybe an arena of sorts where you can battle trainers for exp like... Colosseum. Oh, and just because I love a challenge, Gym Leader's Pokemon are always a certain level higher than yours; the level difference is the same as the numerical order of the badges, such as Brock's highest Pokemon is 1 level higher than yours, Giovanni's is 8. 9 for the Elite Four, and 10 for the Champion. It would encourage trainers to train all of their Pokemon equally, too.
And, that's all I have for now.
Quote from: JrDude ½ on January 16, 2010, 12:41:34 AM
It will never happen. I can promise and guarantee it will never happen. Yes it's possible for it to happen, but it won't, understand?
"Well new Pokémon gen is coming eventually, and we all like to say our ideas and hope they will come into play and then get crushed when they obviously don't, but let's say them anyway!"
You established the theme of things that
we would like to see in the beginning, not whether something was possible or not. If you just wanted new type combinations and moves, remove the "Other" section.
1. Will never happen.
2. Maybe (stolen from Bluaki) it can be items, like instead of Flash, it could be a lantern?
3. Seasons sound cool, but something seems wrong with it.
4. 3D = no thanks
5. Combo moves sound cool, but it would be hard to make them make sense.
6. Actually, custom appearance would be easier on a DS game due to the fact that it's not as complicated to create. But cheating to get more Exp is dumb, work for it.
7. I'm just stating a fact, I never said you couldn't do more ideas, these threads aren't meant for you to say something then everyone showers your idea with praise because how awesome it isn't, the thread is for opinions, then someone else responds to that opinion with an opinion of their own. Learn to accept that everyone's opinion isn't the same as your opinion.
Quote from: JrDude ½ on January 16, 2010, 01:07:33 AM
7. I'm just stating a fact, I never said you couldn't do more ideas, these threads aren't meant for you to say something then everyone showers your idea with praise because how awesome it isn't, the thread is for opinions, then someone else responds to that opinion with an opinion of their own. Learn to accept that everyone's opinion isn't the same as your opinion.
So please provide me the evidence of the fact that things we are discussing in this thread will never happen. And my comment had nothing to do with opinion; you yourself just said, illogically I must add, "I'm just stating a fact." You didn't say you didn't like the idea in the post, you said it was impossible and would never happen. I was merely pointing out that in your introduction you told asked us for ideas, even though we know the chances of them happening are very unlikely; to say something is impossible, won't happen is unneeded. Especially when it's something you previously indicated that you didn't like. Seems you should learn that everyone's opinion isn't the same as your opinion.
Also, the accessories idea was merely an extension of currently existing items for Pokemon to hold. Lucky Egg gives an exp bonus to the Pokemon holding it, but you still have to go out and train to get that exp in the first place. It was the same idea, only the trainer can "hold an item" that gives the same kind of exp bonus to Pokemon types. Exempli gratia, a Trainer holding a CRYSTAL BALL would garner an exp bonus for his Psychic Pokemon after winning a battle.
Quote from: Rius on January 16, 2010, 01:20:34 AM
So please provide me the evidence of the fact that things we are discussing in this thread will never happen. And my comment had nothing to do with opinion; you yourself just said, illogically I must add, "I'm just stating a fact." You didn't say you didn't like the idea in the post, you said it was impossible and would never happen. I was merely pointing out that in your introduction you told asked us for ideas, even though we know the chances of them happening are very unlikely; to say something is impossible, won't happen is unneeded. Especially when it's something you previously indicated that you didn't like. Seems you should learn that everyone's opinion isn't the same as your opinion.
Impossible =/= won't.
I'm not saying it's impossible, because it is possible, it just won't happen. I can't think of a good example, so I'll give you a bad one. It's like, it's possible that Nintendo buy Rare back, but will they? No.
And I didn't say I didn't like the idea, though I don't, it doesn't matter if I like the idea or not because it won't happen.
Yes it is unneeded, but many things are unneeded, like midnight snacks, or a fast food place on every block, and eating at that fast food place is unneeded, but it still happens.
I also know everyone's opinion is different, you just seem to be butthurt because I disagree with you, which is why I told you that.
Quote from: JrDude ½ on January 16, 2010, 01:32:33 AM
Impossible =/= won't.
I'm not saying it's impossible, because it is possible, it just won't happen. I can't think of a good example, so I'll give you a bad one. It's like, it's possible that Nintendo buy Rare back, but will they? No.
And I didn't say I didn't like the idea, though I don't, it doesn't matter if I like the idea or not because it won't happen.
Yes it is unneeded, but many things are unneeded, like midnight snacks, or a fast food place on every block, and eating at that fast food place is unneeded, but it still happens.
I also know everyone's opinion is different, you just seem to be butthurt because I disagree with you, which is why I told you that.
Again, you pointed out at the beginning that most of these things won't happen, and when you don't like an idea you make a point of, rather obnoxiously, declaring how such an idea won't happen. To use your unintuitive definitions of won't and impossible, GameFreak won't remove HMs from the main series; they are an integral part of the gameplay. The trend to this date has been adding features to Pokemon games, not taking them away. The only notable exception was the Day/Night system of Gen 2, and that was because of the inability to play the game correctly when the battery died. Time remained, and Day/Night was brought back when it was technically reasonable. However, you have shown no animosity towards the idea of removing HMs, so you did not point out that it won't happen. Your previous posts suggest you say such things when you don't like the idea, so you, whether intend to or not, demean others' opinions on the idea at hand. Again, I have no problem accepting it when someone doesn't like an idea, but to go on and on about something that won't happen because you don't like it when that was the premise of the thread is immature.
Quote from: Rius on January 16, 2010, 01:53:25 AM
GameFreak won't remove HMs from the main series; they are an integral part of the gameplay. The trend to this date has been adding features to Pokemon games, not taking them away.
Actually, the sort of HM suggestions here are about retaining their original functions (clearing an obstacle in the overworld only after meeting some criteria like gym badge) and only changing the method for which it's available away from using up good move slots, which would keep the feature.
Quote from: Rius on January 16, 2010, 01:53:25 AM
Again, you pointed out at the beginning that most of these things won't happen, and when you don't like an idea you make a point of, rather obnoxiously, declaring how such an idea won't happen. To use your unintuitive definitions of won't and impossible, GameFreak won't remove HMs from the main series; they are an integral part of the gameplay. The trend to this date has been adding features to Pokemon games, not taking them away. The only notable exception was the Day/Night system of Gen 2, and that was because of the inability to play the game correctly when the battery died. Time remained, and Day/Night was brought back when it was technically reasonable. However, you have shown no animosity towards the idea of removing HMs, so you did not point out that it won't happen. Your previous posts suggest you say such things when you don't like the idea, so you, whether intend to or not, demean others' opinions on the idea at hand. Again, I have no problem accepting it when someone doesn't like an idea, but to go on and on about something that won't happen because you don't like it when that was the premise of the thread is immature.
I'm almost positive that HMs will stay, I just like the idea of taking them away.
And I'm not saying it won't happen because I don't like the idea, I'm saying it won't happen because it won't happen.
I'm not forcing an opinion, I'm saying a fact, if you want to disagree then go ahead. In this case, it's like this: I know God exists, there's no opinion or "think" about it, though some people don't think he exists, but I know for a fact that he does.
Quote from: JrDude ½ on January 16, 2010, 03:05:17 AM
In this case, it's like this: I know God exists, there's no opinion or "think" about it, though some people don't think he exists, but I know for a fact that he does.
You manage to get this discussion from desired pokemon features to a mention of God?
Screw Godwin's law, where's one regarding religion.
Quote from: JrDude ½ on January 16, 2010, 03:05:17 AM
I'm almost positive that HMs will stay, I just like the idea of taking them away.
So why didn't you point out it won't happen like you did the idea you didn't like?
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And I'm not saying it won't happen because I don't like the idea, I'm saying it won't happen because it won't happen.
Whether it could happen or not, you went through all of the trouble of pointing out the impossibility of it in two different posts, not counting these with me. Why would you bother in the first place? Not to mention you disregarded the idea as retarded before the second occurrence, so yes, it was because you didn't like the idea.
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I'm not forcing an opinion, I'm saying a fact, if you want to disagree then go ahead. In this case, it's like this: I know God exists, there's no opinion or "think" about it, though some people don't think he exists, but I know for a fact that he does.
This was the reason I wasn't going to bother replying in the first place, but why not.
Firstly, a fact is something that can be
proved true or false. In casual conversation, a fact is something that has been proven to be true. So indulge me, prove the existence of God (or disprove the notion that the idea previously in discussion can occur). Since you know for a fact he exists, it should be easy to provide the evidence that's the foundation of this undeniable truth. Quantitative is preferred, as well as several trials that show this existence is consistent. I do not wish to downplay your religious beliefs like you inadvertently (or maybe intentionally, I don't know) have to others in your statement, but if you cannot prove God exists but still think he does, congratulations you have a belief; synonyms for belief include faith, credence, and opinion.You
believe God exists, and you just forced your opinion in the form of stating it as fact. Those who deny facts are, by definition, ignorant of the matter, so your implication is that those of us who deny your fact are ignorant. Less extreme but kind of resembles the ideas of those people going around picketing fallen soldiers' funerals, doesn't it?
You may go ahead and apply everything I said to the original point of discussion, saves me the trouble of typing it. And please, if you must respond, do so without involving religion; it's very detrimental to an argument. I doubt I'll reply back since these posts take too much of my time, but if it makes you feel better I'll read it and maybe laugh.
Y so serious?
But really, triple typing would mess up the game. Maybe put it in like a side game, but NOT the main series.
Quote from: PokemasterJ on January 16, 2010, 11:26:48 AM
Y so serious?
But really, triple typing would mess up the game. Maybe put it in like a side game, but NOT the main series.
No. It should not exist. Period.
Put it in a side game and encourage whining that it's not in the main games, followed by fanservice of putting it in the main games.
Quote from: bluaki on January 15, 2010, 11:44:41 PM
Oh, and you want Fire-Flying-Dragon Charizard? Then be prepared for it being: weak to ice (2x), not at all weak to water (1x), and not weak to electricity (1x)
Does that sound at all like Charizard? No, you've effectively completely broken him.
Also, it would be 8x resistant to grass, 4x resistant to fire, 4x resistant to bug, 2x resistant to steel, and completely resistant to ground. That's a rather insane amount of resistance, with only three weaknesses (4x rock, 2x dragon, 2x ice)
Charizard is a dragon-like pokemon, not a dragon-type pokemon. There's a good reason for that distinction. Same goes for any other Pokemon you might want to become triple-type like Lugia. Making a type that affects only STAB sounds silly, confusing to new players, and essentially pointless.
I'm sorry. Your opinion is wanted, but in this case, irrelevant. You're obviously not reading what I said
in the first place. Allow me to reproduce the paragraph in context.
QuoteConcerning triple-typing, I've always wanted this. However, I also realize that it would create many difficulties in determining resistances, weaknesses, and damage multiplication. My solution to this is to have up to two main types (which has been normal in every game), and then have a third type that doesn't give a resistance or weakness, only the Same Type Attack Bonus. For instance; Charizard is a Fire-Flying-Type (most likely not Dragon because it's a starter), but it could also be the Dragon-Type. Because the third [type] would be confusing, it would not count for any resistances or weaknesses, therefore, Charizard would still be treated as a Fire-Flying-Type, but gain the 1.5 damage multiplier that its Dragon-Type gives when using Dragon-Type moves.
Quote from: bluaki on January 15, 2010, 11:44:41 PMDon't I trust the developers to do what, make a huge mechanic change that would completely change the game but without implementing that mechanic for more than a very small number of pokemon that it might kinda work with? Not at all, not to mention that seems pointless.
With this solution, it's not a huge mechanic change at all. It's just a little more to consider during gameplay. Also, it wouldn't be for only a very small number of Pokémon, it could work with many Pokémon, actually. Because it only affects what moves the Pokémon can use well, it doesn't have to apply to the Pokémon's appearance or traits. Two examples are Nosepass and Probopass; I'll focus on Probopass (a Rock-Steel-Type) to avoid confusion.
By leveling alone, Probopass can learn four Electric-Type moves. In order, they are: Magnet Rise, Thunder Wave, Discharge, and Zap Cannon. By using TM's, Probopass can learn four Electric-Type moves (one of which it can learn normally). They are Thunderbolt (TM24), Thunder (TM25), Shock Wave (TM34), and Thunder Wave (TM73). One may ask, "how can a Rock-Steel-Type Pokémon learn Electric-Type moves?" This is because Probopass is a "Compass Pokémon," thereby explaining this phenomenon (because compasses involve magnetism, which the Electric-Type attacks relate to). However, compasses are not made of electricity, nor do they emit electricity, just as Probopass is not made of, nor does it emit electricity.
But let's get to the point. A Probopass with one damaging Electric-Type move is a good idea to most, as it will be able to counter its Water-Type weakness. An Electric-Type move would only do as much as Probopass's Special Attack (the damaging Electric-Type moves that it can learn are all classified as being in the "Special" category) and the Basic Attack Power of the attack would allow, even though the move suits Probopass very well. The move would not get a bonus. Of course, many other Pokémon have a move or two that bring about this same situation, but Probopass has four moves that pertain to this; too many to be ignored. With this being said, Probopass being given Electric as a "hidden" type used only for STAB is acceptable and appropriate--in my opinion--to take the Electric-Type moves into account.
That will still jack up STAB. What if a Pokemon such as Gyarados learns Muddy Water, which would be Water/Ground? That means that it would be 2x plus 1.5 on an electric type.
Quote from: PokemasterJ on January 16, 2010, 08:55:39 PM
That will still jack up STAB. What if a Pokemon such as Gyarados learns Muddy Water, which would be Water/Ground? That means that it would be 2x plus 1.5 on an electric type.
I didn't mean that the STAB Type would be any amount more effective against the foe, just that its power is increased my the Pokémon using it. So (if it were implemented), Muddy Water would not be affected by this change, even if it were used against an Electric-Type.
I've noticed that with Probopass, along with a few others. Like how Mawile is Steel typed, yet it learns AT LEAST 4 Dark moves leveling up. (Bite, Faint Attack, Fake Tears, Crunch) ..would you want a hidden type to apply here too? Even though Mawile is a single-type? Your reasoning didn't account for this.
Also, i noticed that EVERY water type can learn Hail, Ice Beam, and Blizzard (actually, maybe not Hail so much). Would it work here? No. Because if you think about it, if a pokemon can attack with water, can't it do the same with the same stuf, just frozen? But it doesn't work the other way around. Why can't Ice-types learn Surf? Are they too frigid to melt the stuff they attack with? I mean, some Ice-types have gotten Water Pulse, but come on. That's it?
Before I finish, I want thoughts so far on this. What do you think?
Quote from: JrDude ½ on January 16, 2010, 12:41:34 AM
Though it's retarded, he means the 3rd type would have no effect on his weaknesses/resistances, just for STAB. Or that's how I read it anyway.
It will never happen. I can promise and guarantee it will never happen. Yes it's possible for it to happen, but it won't, understand?
You
could try to make a promise about it (a shallow one at that), but you can't guarantee it without mathematical proof.
Quote from: Rius on January 16, 2010, 12:50:44 AM
Umm, you didn't read the post correctly. In the Charizard example, Dragon type had no effect on weakness or resistances, it just meant Charizard could use moves like Dragon Claw and get STAB. I think it's a fairly novel idea. Whether this would break the game or not is wholly up to the developers. Yeah, there will be a bunch of gimmick Pokemon if this comes about, but there are gimmick Pokemon for every new battle mechanic introduced. Personally, I don't think the third type proposed here would affect the game nearly as much as the Steel/Dark types, abilities, or the physical/special change.
THANK YOU. I also agree with everything else you said (even though I didn't quote the whole thing).
Quote from: JrDude ½ on January 16, 2010, 01:32:33 AM
Impossible =/= won't.
I'm not saying it's impossible, because it is possible, it just won't happen. I can't think of a good example, so I'll give you a bad one. It's like, it's possible that Nintendo buy Rare back, but will they? No.
And I didn't say I didn't like the idea, though I don't, it doesn't matter if I like the idea or not because it won't happen.
Yes it is unneeded, but many things are unneeded, like midnight snacks, or a fast food place on every block, and eating at that fast food place is unneeded, but it still happens.
I also know everyone's opinion is different, you just seem to be butthurt because I disagree with you, which is why I told you that.
I don't like butting in, but this is weak reasoning; I hope you improve it. Your examples and logic lack continuity in the sense that their source does not cover them equally or in the same way.
Quote from: TerribleFrog 39 on January 16, 2010, 08:34:26 PM
I'm sorry. Your opinion is wanted, but in this case, irrelevant. You're obviously not reading what I said in the first place.
And you didn't seem to read the whole thing.
QuoteCharizard is a dragon-like pokemon, not a dragon-type pokemon. There's a good reason for that distinction. Same goes for any other Pokemon you might want to become triple-type like Lugia. Making a type that affects only STAB sounds silly, confusing to new players, and essentially pointless.
Though I did include a bunch about adding a complete third type for earlier suggestions, I also included this.
Making STAB cover all moves that the pokemon can learn, which seems somewhat close to your argument of giving Charizard STAB for things like Dragon Claw and Dragonbreath just because it can learn them, goes close to nullifying the point of STAB in the first place.
Quote from: K on January 16, 2010, 09:41:20 PM
I've noticed that with Probopass, along with a few others. Like how Mawile is Steel typed, yet it learns AT LEAST 4 Dark moves leveling up. (Bite, Faint Attack, Fake Tears, Crunch) ..would you want a hidden type to apply here too? Even though Mawile is a single-type? Your reasoning didn't account for this.
Yeah, I've noticed it with others as well. Also, I would want it to apply to a single-type Pokémon if the type wouldn't normally be used for that Pokémon for resistances and weaknesses.
Quote from: K on January 16, 2010, 09:41:20 PM
Also, i noticed that EVERY water type can learn Hail, Ice Beam, and Blizzard (actually, maybe not Hail so much). Would it work here? No. Because if you think about it, if a pokemon can attack with water, can't it do the same with the same stuf, just frozen? But it doesn't work the other way around. Why can't Ice-types learn Surf? Are they too frigid to melt the stuff they attack with? I mean, some Ice-types have gotten Water Pulse, but come on. That's it?
Before I finish, I want thoughts so far on this. What do you think?
I'm not sure about the relevancy of this thought (I appreciate it though). I think that any Pokémon that can swim should be to learn Surf (that's all that Surf does in the field), regardless of its type. If it does something extra/special in battle--like how it's always shown as a giant wave that's somehow controlled by the Pokémon--I'd rethink this. However, maybe that's why some Ice-Types can't learn Surf, because they can't swim or control water. If you could give me an example (of an Ice-Type that can't learn Surf), that would help a lot. As for Water-Types attacking with Ice-Type moves, I'm not sure that they could just do the same but freeze it. That might go down to the individual Pokémon though.
Quote from: bluaki on January 16, 2010, 10:07:30 PM
And you didn't seem to read the whole thing.Though I did include a bunch about adding a complete third type for earlier suggestions, I also included this.
Actually, I did; I just forgot to address that point. My bad.
Quote from: bluaki on January 16, 2010, 10:07:30 PM
Making STAB cover all moves that the pokemon can learn, which seems somewhat close to your argument of giving Charizard STAB for things like Dragon Claw and Dragonbreath just because it can learn them, goes close to nullifying the point of STAB in the first place.
Actually, rather than nullifying it, I think it supports it. It makes it a little bit easier to incorporate STAB into any Pokémon. How does that (ironically) nullify it? If it were especially broad, I would agree, but this is one more type we're talking about. I don't think that that's unreasonable. Four or more; yes--but three is okay.
Quote from: Rius on January 16, 2010, 11:10:05 AM
So why didn't you point out it won't happen like you did the idea you didn't like?
The fact of why I didn't post why it won't happen is because I like the idea. The fact that I did say it for the other thing is because I don't like the idea, though it still won't happen.
QuoteWhether it could happen or not, you went through all of the trouble of pointing out the impossibility of it in two different posts, not counting these with me. Why would you bother in the first place? Not to mention you disregarded the idea as retarded before the second occurrence, so yes, it was because you didn't like the idea.
Like I said just now, I mentioned it because I don't like the idea, It's not because I don't like the idea that it won't happen, I like the take away the HM idea but I know that won't happen either (unless it fully moves to a 3D game like Pokémon XD, then it is a likely possibility).
QuoteThis was the reason I wasn't going to bother replying in the first place, but why not. Firstly, a fact is something that can be proved true or false. In casual conversation, a fact is something that has been proven to be true. So indulge me, prove the existence of God (or disprove the notion that the idea previously in discussion can occur). Since you know for a fact he exists, it should be easy to provide the evidence that's the foundation of this undeniable truth. Quantitative is preferred, as well as several trials that show this existence is consistent. I do not wish to downplay your religious beliefs like you inadvertently (or maybe intentionally, I don't know) have to others in your statement, but if you cannot prove God exists but still think he does, congratulations you have a belief; synonyms for belief include faith, credence, and opinion.You believe God exists, and you just forced your opinion in the form of stating it as fact. Those who deny facts are, by definition, ignorant of the matter, so your implication is that those of us who deny your fact are ignorant. Less extreme but kind of resembles the ideas of those people going around picketing fallen soldiers' funerals, doesn't it?
I didn't want to bring my religion in this thread, but it was the only example I could think of for this topic. I also indeed do think people who don't believe in God are ignorant, I just don't say it to their face.
Let me say it like this, facts aren't always facts, believing something basically means it's a fact to them, it is a fact in their opinion, but not a fact to others. To some people who don't believe in God, I and many others are ignorant for believing in God.
QuoteYou may go ahead and apply everything I said to the original point of discussion, saves me the trouble of typing it. And please, if you must respond, do so without involving religion; it's very detrimental to an argument. I doubt I'll reply back since these posts take too much of my time, but if it makes you feel better I'll read it and maybe laugh.
Go ahead and laugh, many things you and most others say make me laugh, even when they're being serious.
Quote from: TerribleFrog 39 on January 16, 2010, 10:57:27 PMI'm not sure about the relevancy of this thought (I appreciate it though). I think that any Pokémon that can swim should be to learn Surf (that's all that Surf does in the field), regardless of its type. If it does something extra/special in battle--like how it's always shown as a giant wave that's somehow controlled by the Pokémon--I'd rethink this. However, maybe that's why some Ice-Types can't learn Surf, because they can't or control water. If you could give me an example (of an Ice-Type that can't learn Surf), that would help a lot. As for Water-Types attacking with Ice-Type moves, I'm not sure that they could just do the same but freeze it. That might go down to the individual Pokémon though.
Rhydon and Nidoking can learn Surf. That has always puzzled me, how they can do it, since they are both very weak to water. You would think that a Rhydon swimming in the stuff that OHKOs it would be bad for him, but it's not. I have never used Surf on a Rhydon, due to its Sp. Atk being to low, but that goes into competitive battling. My point is, it seems much more likely that an Ice type would be able to Surf rather than a Rock-Ground type. Or a Normal or Fighting type, because there's also Linoone, Snorlax, and Hariyama, and probably others.
However, take a look at Regice. Look at its shape. I don't think that thing would be able to Surf (although, isn't ice supposed to float on water?) but then look at Starmie. Similar shape here, with the points, etc. But Starmie is so lightweight I guess it can do it better than heavy ol' Regice. Also, Glalie and Florlass look like they're not meant to be in the water. BUT, If Vaporeon can Surf, shouldn't Glaceon? But then the defense of that s the fact that Vaporeon is built like a fish. Fins, etc. Come to think of it, nearly all water-types are built like fishes, even the land-bound ones like Swampert.
So, back to this. Why can Snorlax Surf? I wouldn't think this sleeping behemoth would be capable of swimming distances carrying somebody. But GameFereak obvoiusly doesn't care about the safety of the player riding the Surfer, since it's possible to ride a Remoraid.
So anyway, that's just about it for the Ice-types. But look. Articuno. I think if any Ice-type can surf, it'd be Articuno. Although, It most certainly isn't built like an aquatic...thing, I could imagine it gliding across water. Suicune can, and I just realized, it doesn't look "fishy" at all. What does it do? Walk on water? Maybe, but it would have to be running. It can't stop and say on the water, but.. it can Surf. Somehow.
Back to my original point, I would like to bring Suicune here. It learns a decent array of Ice-type attacks, Aurora Beam, and others. It's not much, but if one Water-type got an Ice-type as a half-type, it would be Suicune. Just look at it. I think that thing looks pretty icy to me.
That's all i got on this. Discuss.
Surf is a complicated move, I always thought Snorelax could surf because he floats due to his roundness, and round things usually look like they can float, but that's just my kid analogy that past on to my current one.
And as I was saying, surf is complicated, it's basically just swimming, but then shouldn't just about any Pokémon be able to do it? But yeah, to surf, basically the Pokémon just needs to be able to swim, or look like it can float, and then you'll be able to ride on it, regardless of it's size.
And now Ice types + Swim. Ice type isn't the same as water type, it's ice, most ice Pokémon don't look like they can swim, except the ones that are part water, and why don't they look like they can swim? Because they're not supposed to.
Why Rhyhorn/Rhydon can learn Surf is beyond me, I didn't even know they could, I can't even think of a stupid reason of why. And Articuno doesn't look like a swimmer to me.
Now on the other topic, I think water can control ice moves, because it just needs to get colder to use them, they aren't weak against the coldness of ice, but ice can't use most water moves because, they control ice, and if they lowered the temperature to use the water, then it would also lower their temperature and make them melt/weak, because lower temperature basically means heat which is usually dealt with fire and ice is weak against fire.
I'm not sure how much sense that made, but I tried.
Quote from: JrDude ½ on January 18, 2010, 12:42:09 AM
Surf is a complicated move, I always thought Snorelax could surf because he floats due to his roundness, and round things usually look like they can float, but that's just my kid analogy that past on to my current one.
And as I was saying, surf is complicated, it's basically just swimming, but then shouldn't just about any Pokémon be able to do it? But yeah, to surf, basically the Pokémon just needs to be able to swim, or look like it can float, and then you'll be able to ride on it, regardless of it's size.
And now Ice types + Swim. Ice type isn't the same as water type, it's ice, most ice Pokémon don't look like they can swim, except the ones that are part water, and why don't they look like they can swim? Because they're not supposed to.
Why Rhyhorn/Rhydon can learn Surf is beyond me, I didn't even know they could, I can't even think of a stupid reason of why. And Articuno doesn't look like a swimmer to me.
Now on the other topic, I think water can control ice moves, because it just needs to get colder to use them, they aren't weak against the coldness of ice, but ice can't use most water moves because, they control ice, and if they lowered the temperature to use the water, then it would also lower their temperature and make them melt/weak, because lower temperature basically means heat which is usually dealt with fire and ice is weak against fire.
I'm not sure how much sense that made, but I tried.
I think what you're trying to say is, Ice has no way to safely melt large amounts of water, like in a Surf, because it would need heat to do that, which would be dangerous to the Pokémon the way that Fire would.
Snorlax can learn Surf because essentially nothing but fat, and fat floats.
Why would Ice-types be able to Surf? Most of them don't look particularly seaworthy (though I suppose some of the water-types don't either). I could sort of see Suicune, Articuno, and some others swimming or crossing water somehow, but some of them just don't look like they should be able to swim at all.
I don't think they should completely do away with HMs (unless they plan to make the game fully 3D, but I doubt that), but they should at least make them less retarded. Did we really need Defog and Rock Climb? Especially since most Pokémon have some ability that would ostensibly allow them to scale a wall without learning it from a machine.
Keep the gyms, I think. The goal (generally) is to become Champion, so unless they plan on doing away with that and going for a better story (which I wouldn't mind), gyms are probably staying. Still, perhaps they could make those gym leaders a little more challenging? Maybe have their levels be scaled to yours, so that no matter how much you level grind, they'll still pose a threat to Pokémon without a type advantage. I still like the idea of putting the next game in a dystopia. It would be more interesting than collecting all the badges at any rate.
Incidentally, can we make it so that being the Champion actually sticks? For example, in FireRed/Leafgreen, your Rival is still the Champion after you beat him. You have to fight him every time you beat the Elite Four. It'd be kind of nice to see that being Champion has perks. Like money. Or something.
The idea of having other people traveling with you sounds nice. Permanent double-battles partner. Maybe let a second player control them or something. Also, maybe give you the option to interact with those people? Build up friendships. Eh. It'd probably be too complex.
Triple-types sounds like a stupid idea. It would make the game far more complicated than it needs to be, and would probably push up some already-powerful Pokémon into uber status. I guess making the third type only affect STAB might work, though. Making dual-type attacks sounds like a bad idea. If, for example, Blaze Kick was given two types (Fire and Fighting), would Fire/Fighting types get twice the STAB? If you used Blaze Kick on a Steel-type, would it be twice as super-effective?
Something I want most is more than 1 save file, at least 2, maybe more, because I like to start over, but I'd like to have a file that has the good Pokémon. I imagine it doesn't do this because then it seems you could more easily cheat, but you'd still have to have someone with another copy of the game to do it, so it basically isn't much worse.
Also, on the multiple people idea, it may be able to work, maybe it can be like NSMBWii, except different. Maybe when you DS Download play, it adds another person that someone else controls, and they can go into your PC to train other Pokémon of yours, but never Pokémon they had (unless traded into the game). You can either go on separate routes, or travel together, though Pokémon caught always goes into the original person's PC. If you're in the same screen, when 1 person starts a double battle, the other person joins in too. If you don't feel like following on your own, just both stop, and on the second person's start screen, they have a "Auto Follow" option, and then the person replaces the Pokémon following him/her, and no Pokémon follows person2.
In double battles with a partner, Only 3 Pokémon can be used each, once your 3rd comes out, you won't be able to switch to a 4th.
This is where 2 save files would be very useful, because it would be hard to travel with someone with only one save file, because in order to go on without overleveling, then you'd need another file, or train 2 parties.
Quote from: Triforce_Luigi on January 18, 2010, 07:28:10 PM
Why would Ice-types be able to Surf? Most of them don't look particularly seaworthy (though I suppose some of the water-types don't either). I could sort of see Suicune, Articuno, and some others swimming or crossing water somehow, but some of them just don't look like they should be able to swim at all.
I don't think they should completely do away with HMs (unless they plan to make the game fully 3D, but I doubt that), but they should at least make them less retarded. Did we really need Defog and Rock Climb? Especially since most Pokémon have some ability that would ostensibly allow them to scale a wall without learning it from a machine.
Defog: When a flying pokemon needs an HM to flap its wings.
Quote from: K on January 19, 2010, 04:07:17 AM
Defog: When a flying pokemon needs an HM to flap its wings.
I just realize how bullpoop Defog is.
Quote from: Zero on January 10, 2010, 04:09:06 PM
Intelligent Systems and Camelot
Thanks for reminding me about them.
Yeah, now they
need to get those working on the plot.
As for other suggestions: Not sure If this has been done, but have it so your trainer can wear equipment. Stuff like "More/Less Pokemon will come out of the wild" Or "Holds a slightly better resistance to Water Types" Dunno, could add more to gameplay.
And have the trainer more of a memorable figure. I know the game's more about the Pokemon, but my god. He's just such a...Stale and boring character in I dunno, every game?
Quote from: K on January 17, 2010, 07:23:19 AM
Rhydon and Nidoking can learn Surf. That has always puzzled me, how they can do it, since they are both very weak to water. You would think that a Rhydon swimming in the stuff that OHKOs it would be bad for him, but it's not. I have never used Surf on a Rhydon, due to its Sp. Atk being to low, but that goes into competitive battling. My point is, it seems much more likely that an Ice type would be able to Surf rather than a Rock-Ground type. Or a Normal or Fighting type, because there's also Linoone, Snorlax, and Hariyama, and probably others.
However, take a look at Regice. Look at its shape. I don't think that thing would be able to Surf (although, isn't ice supposed to float on water?) but then look at Starmie. Similar shape here, with the points, etc. But Starmie is so lightweight I guess it can do it better than heavy ol' Regice. Also, Glalie and Florlass look like they're not meant to be in the water. BUT, If Vaporeon can Surf, shouldn't Glaceon? But then the defense of that s the fact that Vaporeon is built like a fish. Fins, etc. Come to think of it, nearly all water-types are built like fishes, even the land-bound ones like Swampert.
So, back to this. Why can Snorlax Surf? I wouldn't think this sleeping behemoth would be capable of swimming distances carrying somebody. But GameFereak obvoiusly doesn't care about the safety of the player riding the Surfer, since it's possible to ride a Remoraid.
So anyway, that's just about it for the Ice-types. But look. Articuno. I think if any Ice-type can surf, it'd be Articuno. Although, It most certainly isn't built like an aquatic...thing, I could imagine it gliding across water. Suicune can, and I just realized, it doesn't look "fishy" at all. What does it do? Walk on water? Maybe, but it would have to be running. It can't stop and say on the water, but.. it can Surf. Somehow.
Back to my original point, I would like to bring Suicune here. It learns a decent array of Ice-type attacks, Aurora Beam, and others. It's not much, but if one Water-type got an Ice-type as a half-type, it would be Suicune. Just look at it. I think that thing looks pretty icy to me.
That's all i got on this. Discuss.
I totally agree. GameFreak has done some weird things with moves and their potential learners. Rhydon (and even Rhyperior) and Nidoking are very strange choices for Surf. I do like the fact that they can learn it though; it's unique, but not really backed up with any reason. None of them should be able to learn it unless somehow their Special Attack was really high, which it's not. As for Regice, Glalie, Froslass, and other Ice-Types, if they can swim, then they should be able to learn Surf and if they can control water, then they should be able to learn Surf. Personally, I don't think that any of these specific ones should be able to learn it (except for maybe Regice, if the developers want to pull the legendary card). I think that that should go for any Pokémon. Concerning Snorlax, I haven't a clue, but I don't think it should be able to learn it.
Vaporeon is a great choice for Surf, but I don't know about Glaceon. It doesn't seem like it swims much, so; no.
Going back to the "legendary card," that would be the reason why Articuno could learn Surf, but otherwise, I just don't see it. On the other hand, I've always thought that Suicune should be a Water-Ice-Type. It already glides over the water and/or floats and stuff in the movies, so that's good reason for it being able to learn Surf (besides it being a Water-Type legendary), even if it were a Water-Ice-Type. And yes, Suicune looks very icy to me as well.
Quote from: TerribleFrog 39 on January 19, 2010, 07:43:32 PM
I totally agree. GameFreak has done some weird things with moves and their potential learners. Rhydon (and even Rhyperior) and Nidoking are very strange choices for Surf. I do like the fact that they can learn it though; it's unique, but not really backed up with any reason. None of them should be able to learn it unless somehow their Special Attack was really high, which it's not. As for Regice, Glalie, Froslass, and other Ice-Types, if they can swim, then they should be able to learn Surf and if they can control water, then they should be able to learn Surf. Personally, I don't think that any of these specific ones should be able to learn it (except for maybe Regice, if the developers want to pull the legendary card). I think that that should go for any Pokémon. Concerning Snorlax, I haven't a clue, but I don't think it should be able to learn it.
Vaporeon is a great choice for Surf, but I don't know about Glaceon. It doesn't seem like it swims much, so; no.
Going back to the "legendary card," that would be the reason why Articuno could learn Surf, but otherwise, I just don't see it. On the other hand, I've always thought that Suicune should be a Water-Ice-Type. It already glides over the water and/or floats and stuff in the movies, so that's good reason for it being able to learn Surf (besides it being a Water-Type legendary), even if it were a Water-Ice-Type. And yes, Suicune looks very icy to me as well.
I always thought Suicune was part Ice-type. Partially because it uses Aurora Beam when you encounter it, but also just because of its looks. Also, I think it's required for all water-types to be able to Surf. Because, every one can except for Magikarp.
Quote from: Friendly Hostile on January 18, 2010, 01:57:05 PM
Snorlax can learn Surf because essentially nothing but fat, and fat floats.
That makes sense, but I don't know if it could really
swim. I'd love to see that though.
Quote from: Mystic on January 19, 2010, 06:24:54 AM
I just realize how bullpoop Defog is.
It's a sad truth. :| I think it should also lower the opponent's accuracy or do something worth teaching it for battling.
Quote from: TerribleFrog 39 on January 20, 2010, 01:24:29 PM
That makes sense, but I don't know if it could really swim. I'd love to see that though.
It's a sad truth. :| I think it should also lower the opponent's accuracy or do something worth teaching it for battling.
It only lowers evasion, which fails due to evasion clause anyway...
It should be a good move, like Surf, that can be seen competitively.
Quote from: Triforce_Luigi on January 18, 2010, 07:28:10 PM
Why would Ice-types be able to Surf? Most of them don't look particularly seaworthy
doesn't ice float?
Quote from: K on January 20, 2010, 01:26:51 PM
It only lowers evasion, which fails due to evasion clause anyway...
It should be a good move, like Surf, that can be seen competitively.
Evasion clause? Sorry, but I don't do competition.
I think I've heard of it, but please; refresh my memory. Oh, is that the thing that doesn't allow raising your own Evasion at all?
Anyway, Defog is decent in a story play-through party--in part because of the field move--but otherwise, it could be better.
Quote from: TerribleFrog 39 on January 20, 2010, 02:20:27 PM
Evasion clause? Sorry, but I don't do competition. I think I've heard of it, but please; refresh my memory. Oh, is that the thing that doesn't allow raising your own Evasion at all?
Anyway, Defog is decent in a story play-through party--in part because of the field move--but otherwise, it could be better.
Evasion Clause - You are not allowed to use Double Team, Minimize, Mud-Slap, Sand-Attack, Flash, etc.
I hated defog in story mode. It only infuriated me when i had to teach something the useless move just to see the darn route. >_>
Evasion clause sounds like the biggest load of poop ever.
Sleep/Freeze clause makes sense, but not allowed to use double-team? Lame.
Also, Gwen, Ice floats, but they're not made of ice. :3
Quote from: Red on January 20, 2010, 05:38:32 PM
Evasion clause sounds like the biggest load of poop ever.
Sleep/Freeze clause makes sense, but not allowed to use double-team? Lame.
Also, Gwen, Ice floats, but they're not made of ice. :3
I don't know, when two opponents just keep double teaming, the ensuing battle is annoying. I've had that problem with Syndey's Shiftry. I don't know if there's an evasion clause outside of the metagame, though.
Quote from: Red on January 20, 2010, 05:38:32 PM
Evasion clause sounds like the biggest load of poop ever.
Sleep/Freeze clause makes sense, but not allowed to use double-team? Lame.
Also, Gwen, Ice floats, but they're not made of ice. :3
Would you like your opposing Blissey use 6 Double Teams? While your first Close Combat misses out of bad luck then her evasion keeps getting higher? I didn't think so.
Not made of ice? Glalie, Regice, and Froslass say hi.
Quote from: K on January 21, 2010, 04:14:36 AM
Would you like your opposing Blissey use 6 Double Teams? While your first Close Combat misses out of bad luck then her evasion keeps getting higher? I didn't think so.
Not made of ice? Glalie, Regice, and Froslass say hi.
Use evasion droppers and No-Miss Moves. Duh.
If your opponents Blissey can get off 6 Double Teams, something is wrong.
Regice is the only one in there definitely made of ice.
Quote from: Red on January 21, 2010, 05:14:43 AM
Use evasion droppers and No-Miss Moves. Duh.
If your opponents Blissey can get off 6 Double Teams, something is wrong.
Regice is the only one in there definitely made of ice.
Kthx. Now I have to load my pokemon with Swift and Aerial Ace to counter the now-invincible double team garchomp. :|
Quote from: K on January 21, 2010, 12:51:54 PM
Kthx. Now I have to load my pokemon with Swift and Aerial Ace to counter the now-invincible double team garchomp. :|
Then do it. Or use mud-slap or sand-attack or flash, or evade yourself.
There are counters to it. Sure, it'll get annoying if everyone does it, so it should be looked down on, but not have it's own intercourse ing clause.
Quote from: Red on January 21, 2010, 12:54:06 PM
Then do it. Or use mud-slap or sand-attack or flash, or evade yourself.
There are counters to it. Sure, it'll get annoying if everyone does it, so it should be looked down on, but not have it's own intercourse ing clause.
Also, its considered "hax" because, your opponent might evade every attack after 2 DTs, yet you can use 6 and then die. It deserves it's own intercourse ing clause because most people don't want to deal with it. So if you don't have any defense to your side, I suggest shutting the intercourse up.
Hey yet another reason I don't like competitive battling. You guys throw entire aspects of the battle system out because it makes thing too hard.
Quote from: K on January 21, 2010, 01:00:39 PM
Also, its considered "hax" because, your opponent might evade every attack after 2 DTs, yet you can use 6 and then die. It deserves it's own intercourse ing clause because most people don't want to deal with it. So if you don't have any defense to your side, I suggest shutting the intercourse up.
Calm down. It's a game.
FH, I don't get into competitive battling either, probably why I don't see as many issues with certain things. I always understood the sleep/freeze clause, but I figure there are counters to almost everything.
Quote from: Red on January 21, 2010, 01:12:08 PM
Calm down. It's a game.
FH, I don't get into competitive battling either, probably why I don't see as many issues with certain things. I always understood the sleep/freeze clause, but I figure there are counters to almost everything.
I don't battle competitively because of Stealth Rock, etc. However, I don't use Double team. And when i DO battle somebody, i make them use the evasion clause.
If it's available in game, it's fair game to use in a battle in my eyes. No matter how cheap or annoying it is.
There is no single counter in OU to every set of a full health Garchomp.
Quote from: Violet on January 21, 2010, 02:00:01 PM
There is no single counter in OU to every set of a full health Garchomp.
There's always Starmie with Ice beam is there not?
Give it focus sash if you suspect Sucker Punch or Choice Scarf if you expect Choice Scarf.
Quote from: Friendly Hostile on January 21, 2010, 01:24:54 PM
If it's available in game, it's fair game to use in a battle in my eyes. No matter how cheap or annoying it is.
That's kinda dependent on the game, though. Games like Pokemon don't get patched, so you gotta deal with what's in there.
If you wanna talk about things in games like MW2 though, see the pre-patch Akimbo Model 1886's. Good god those were broken.
Quote from: Red on January 21, 2010, 02:20:55 PM
That's kinda dependent on the game, though. Games like Pokemon don't get patched, so you gotta deal with what's in there.
If you wanna talk about things in games like MW2 though, see the pre-patch Akimbo Model 1886's. Good god those were broken.
I was speaking only of Pokemon, seeing how as that's what we're talking about. :B
I don't mean to change the subject, but I'm going to post what I want in the next one.
More/Useful Key Items. Seriously, the map is good and so is some other stuff, but come on. It's basically been the same ones for years, give or take a few.
More useless towns/places/people. I like exploring in RPGs. I don't want to have to go to every city as part of story; I want there to be completely useless places that you can buy a few items at and meet the locals. Makes the game have much more replay value and way more interesting. Especially if there are some hidden ones.
A training place. It'd function as Shoddy basically. See how much damage a certain move does, what nature works best for your play style, etc. Maybe give it online capabilities, but I couldn't care less.
Sell items to people in game. I'm not sure if you can sell them to pokemarts, but I just want to go up to someone and have him/her say, "I'll give you $500 or that potion!" or the like.
There might be more I want to add later, but that's it for now.
Quote from: Friendly Hostile on January 21, 2010, 02:51:31 PM
I was speaking only of Pokemon, seeing how as that's what we're talking about. :B
I misread your post. I thought there was an "a" before "game" :P
Quote from: Friendly Hostile on January 21, 2010, 01:10:16 PM
Hey yet another reason I don't like competitive battling. You guys throw entire aspects of the battle system out because it makes thing too hard.
Yup. I'm not trying to suck up, but same here. Some people just get too worked up over it.
As for the Evasion Clause and Sleep/Freeze Clause (or whatever their official names are), they really don't need to be in the game--or rather, the metagame. They could tone down the Evasion Clause at least. It's understandable that it's "cheap" and "annoying," but Evasion/Accuracy-affecting moves shouldn't be banned. I think that the clause should restrict using those kinds of moves only up to twice, but not eliminate them. The same goes for Sleep and Freeze-inducing moves. The Freeze condition is difficult enough to get on an opponent, so I think its effects are well-deserved if the effort is put into using it. As for the Sleep condition, it's pretty much the same too, except I could definitely understand banning Sleep-inducing moves that have an 80 or more Accuracy rating.
Quote from: TerribleFrog 39 on January 22, 2010, 10:10:22 PM
Yup. I'm not trying to suck up, but same here. Some people just get too worked up over it.
As for the Evasion Clause and Sleep/Freeze Clause (or whatever their official names are), they really don't need to be in the game--or rather, the metagame. They could tone down the Evasion Clause at least. It's understandable that it's "cheap" and "annoying," but Evasion/Accuracy-affecting moves shouldn't be banned. I think that the clause should restrict using those kinds of moves only up to twice, but not eliminate them. The same goes for Sleep and Freeze-inducing moves. The Freeze condition is difficult enough to get on an opponent, so I think its effects are well-deserved if the effort is put into using it. As for the Sleep condition, it's pretty much the same too, except I could definitely understand banning Sleep-inducing moves that have an 80 or more Accuracy rating.
The sleep/freeze clause is that once a Pokemon is asleep/frozen, you cannot do the same to another Pokemon in the other team's party. It doesn't ban the effects all together.
Quote from: RedSox on January 23, 2010, 07:38:14 AM
The sleep/freeze clause is that once a Pokemon is asleep/frozen, you cannot do the same to another Pokemon in the other team's party. It doesn't ban the effects all together.
lol thanks *person who I know IRL and just hung out with and found out that this was their account on NSFCD.* It seriously was a little revelation; that might be why I agree with your post so much lol. :D
Quote from: RedSox on January 21, 2010, 03:10:49 PM
I don't mean to change the subject, but I'm going to post what I want in the next one.
More/Useful Key Items. Seriously, the map is good and so is some other stuff, but come on. It's basically been the same ones for years, give or take a few.
More useless towns/places/people. I like exploring in RPGs. I don't want to have to go to every city as part of story; I want there to be completely useless places that you can buy a few items at and meet the locals. Makes the game have much more replay value and way more interesting. Especially if there are some hidden ones.
A training place. It'd function as Shoddy basically. See how much damage a certain move does, what nature works best for your play style, etc. Maybe give it online capabilities, but I couldn't care less.
Sell items to people in game. I'm not sure if you can sell them to pokemarts, but I just want to go up to someone and have him/her say, "I'll give you $500 or that potion!" or the like.
There might be more I want to add later, but that's it for now.
ABSOLUTELY. I love exploring them. That's probably why I enjoy games like RuneScape, Fusion Fall, Final Fantasy (so far I've only played I), and the like. At least there are
some pointless areas and side quests in Pokémon games, but I want more. A lot more.
To go along with that though (I know I posted this earlier), I really want character interaction. You should be able to make the protagonist say more than "YES" and "NO." I want to be able to talk to someone in the same way that the player does in
The Elder Scrolls IV: Oblivion; maybe a little different. The bottom line though, is that I want a Friendship value for human relationships.
It was said before, but Trainer customization would be great too. It would be just like how it was in
Pokémon Battle Revolution.
Quote from: TerribleFrog 39 on January 23, 2010, 09:04:18 PM
To go along with that though (I know I posted this earlier), I really want character interaction. You should be able to make the protagonist say more than "YES" and "NO." I want to be able to talk to someone in the same way that the player does in The Elder Scrolls IV: Oblivion; maybe a little different. The bottom line though, is that I want a Friendship value for human relationships.
I can't help but agree with this. Pokemon should become a proper RPG, with npc's that are realistic and can have more complex interactions. Also, a PC Pokemon game with good graphics could be awesome.
Quote from: So_So_Man on January 23, 2010, 09:32:06 PM
I can't help but agree with this. Pokemon should become a proper RPG, with npc's that are realistic and can have more complex interactions. Also, a PC Pokemon game with good graphics could be awesome.
THANK YOU. And thank you for reminding me of something I was going to post before. I also agree with your Pokémon PC game idea. I wasn't really thinking along the lines of PC (more on the lines of Wii), but PC works better now that I think of it.
One service that the developers could do to the games (hopefully the main series ones) is to make a Teen-rated game (or better yet, an M-rated one =3) for the PC (or at least Wii). That would allow for:
- more violence (I personally don't think this is needed actually, but am open to its addition.)
- suggestive themes (Probably from some of the clothing if there's Trainer customization.)
- simulated gambling (The player already does it at the game corners and lottery places.)
- language (Criminals won't always talk as "nice" as they had in previous games.)
- better graphics (Just like those in Pokémon Battle Revolution.)
- MMORPG (When it gets down to it, this would be awesome. I'm sure that many of you have played--or do play--a game like World of Warcraft or RuneScape. A game like that except Pokémon-themed would be great. You could run around in a huge world and meet NPC's and other players and challenge them to battles or just talk. I think that this may be one of the best ideas I've ever had. =P :O ^_^)
...you guys are expecting far too much of Nintendo if you ever hope to see these in the games.
Quote from: Friendly Hostile on January 24, 2010, 12:14:41 AM
...you guys are expecting far too much of Nintendo if you ever hope to see these in the games.
That's very (and sadly) true, especially considering how much (and what) they're caught up with now. Maube they could involve some new, skilled developers? GameFreak has done a great job, but they could use the help if they made a Pokémon PC MMORPG. By the time any of these things even have a chance at happening, some of
us could even be the developers working on the games.
Nintendo won't ever go with these though. They have their niche with Pokemon and I doubt they're going to intercourse with it.
99% of these ideas will never happen, we just like to say them.
Speaking of ideas that will likely never happen, how about a 3D game where you're a trainer walking around and junk, and when you battle, the battle style is like a closed area of Kingdom Hearts, you know, you run around a field, attack using certain buttons, not limited to only 4 attacks, but are more limited on attacks (like, if you used to be able to do... IDK swagger, no button combination could be able to do this in this game for every Pokémon that was able to learn it), though this would change things, like being frozen and sleep, 'cause then you could like kick their ass overly easily, and confusion would also have to change a bit. Evasion/Accuracy could actually do what it's supposed to do, like if you use Sweet Scent, maybe some aura stuff can be coming off of them, making them easier to spot or something, while Sand Attack can cover the camera with dirt and the works.
Pokemon should not be rated M. If they throw that poop in, it won't be Pokemon anymore.
Quote from: Friendly Hostile on January 24, 2010, 01:43:45 AM
Nintendo won't ever go with these though. They have their niche with Pokemon and I doubt they're going to intercourse with it.
That + They've tried multiple different spin-offs, which the sales have proven to flop in comparison. Sadly true because I really liked the idea of Pokemon Colosseum but the ideas in it were executed rather badly and Mystery Dungeon was pretty tight.
All this clause BS is one of the reasons I quit playing competitive pokemon. It's so childish, to make up all of these rules and convince yourself that these "rules" make the game "fair". Yeah, if I spam Ice Beam and miraculously freeze two of your pokemon, instead of crying you should grow a pair and deal with your bad luck.
I'd personally be interested in a Pokemon game that maybe was similar in some aspects to Crystal Chronicals or Four Swords, if you catch my drift. It'd be a neat premise and I wonder how they'd pull off a game like that. I doubt its possibility though.
Quote from: JrDude ½ on January 24, 2010, 02:33:25 AM
99% of these ideas will never happen, we just like to say them.
Speaking of ideas that will likely never happen, how about a 3D game where you're a trainer walking around and junk, and when you battle, the battle style is like a closed area of Kingdom Hearts, you know, you run around a field, attack using certain buttons, not limited to only 4 attacks, but are more limited on attacks (like, if you used to be able to do... IDK swagger, no button combination could be able to do this in this game for every Pokémon that was able to learn it), though this would change things, like being frozen and sleep, 'cause then you could like kick their ass overly easily, and confusion would also have to change a bit. Evasion/Accuracy could actually do what it's supposed to do, like if you use Sweet Scent, maybe some aura stuff can be coming off of them, making them easier to spot or something, while Sand Attack can cover the camera with dirt and the works.
I've actually thought about this before. I really like the idea of controlling a Pokémon in real time. Maybe you could assign the four moves to certain buttons? Of course, "normal" attacks should be included as well, as you said. It would be very interesting to see how all of the attacks are implemented in the game.
Quote from: TerribleFrog 39 on January 28, 2010, 04:22:36 PM
I've actually thought about this before. I really like the idea of controlling a Pokémon in real time. Maybe you could assign the four moves to certain buttons? Of course, "normal" attacks should be included as well, as you said. It would be very interesting to see how all of the attacks are implemented in the game.
They did something sort of like this. Its called Pokemon Rumble
Quote from: So_So_Man on January 28, 2010, 04:31:02 PM
They did something sort of like this. Its called Pokemon Rumble
Oh yeah. Thanks. I'll have to look into this more. From what I've seen/heard though, the game is a bit shallow. I'm hoping for something more in-depth instead.