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Brawl official tier list v 1.0

Started by Dawei, September 01, 2008, 02:52:24 PM

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Dawei

Original post.

After a full spring and summer of competition, the SBR felt as though it was time to take the first stab at a tier list for Brawl. Before I post it, let me remind you all of a few important things:


1. Tier placement doesn't necessarily reflect your ability to beat your friends with a specific character. You might beat your friend's Metaknight with Sonic, but that doesn't mean Sonic is top tier. It means you win that matchup against your friend. Tiers are not absolute measurements of match outcomes.

2. Instead of measuring match outcomes, tiers are more a measurement of potential of characters against the rest of the cast in a competitive, 1v1 tournament environment. It shows general strength of a character's abilities in a specific tournament environment. So yes, maybe Yoshi is a beast in teams or Ganon is REALLY good with items turned on... but this list measures somethingd different than those things.

3. This list is based on a combination of tournament result data, extensive discussions with top players and tournament hosts and looking at general trends in play in the current competitive metagame. It took a lot of work on the part of some of the best minds in Smash to compile this list.

4. This list might change with time. It is based on how we perceive the game to be and play it competitively NOW. However, if a replacement for l-canceling is discovered or new tactics cause the game to evolve over time, this list could change. So if you main a character that isn't near the top, keep playing and evolving their game. You might be the one, like Chu Dat's Ice Climbers back in Melee, that cause people's opinions to change.

5. That said, don't give up hope! Just because your character isn't ranked at or near the top, doesn't mean you can't do fantastic things with them with enough talent and effort. We do not publish this list to encourage players to change their main tournament character. If anything, it should serve as a challenge to take the game to the next level.

6. In Smash, any character can win in any matchup if you are smarter and better than your opponents by a wide enough margin. So keep playing to win and work hard to be the best player you can be, regardless of which character you use.


And without further ado, I present to you the official SBR Brawl Tier List (v1.0):

Top
Metaknight
Snake
King DDD
Mr G&W
Falco
ROB

High
Marth
Wario
Lucario
DK
Diddy
Pikachu
IC
Kirby
Pit
Wolf

Middle
Toon Link
Olimar
Fox
Zelda
Zamus
Bowser
Luigi
Peach
Ike
Shiek

Low
Lucas
Ness
Mario
Pokemon Trainer
Samus
Yoshi
Sonic
Jigglypuff
Ganondorf
Link
Cptn. Falcon

Dawei

Have a field day, kids. You get a bit to discuss it, but then I'm locking it and probably deleting most of what you say.

Of course, when I say "have a field day" it means discuss the tier list. Power on is for other things.

Eizweir

#2
Anybody with a MSmash that can kill at 35% deserves a higher spot than middle, don't ya think?
Although that MSmash is very hard to time and space right, and I've never done it less than 75% on a human before. :'(

go zamus
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formerly: Marth Xero, Xero, Roy Khan, Diego Armando, Lux Aeterna, and more I forget it was like 11 years ago jeeze

Dawei

Quote from: Marth Xero on September 01, 2008, 03:09:36 PM
Anybody with a MSmash that can kill at 35% deserves a higher spot than middle, don't ya think?
Although that MSmash is very hard to time and space right, and I've never done it less than 75% on a human before. :'(

go zamus

...MSmash?
And assuming you mean Ike, no he doesn't. He's slow, he's punishable, and his recovery is god awful. Just camp him for a nice win.

Fatmanonice

Considering how Wario can now be infinited by 8 characters, I think he's a little too high on the list (and I main him). Yeah, I understand that Futile has been cleaning house since Brawl was released but...

FruitFlow

Quote from: Dawei on September 01, 2008, 03:13:42 PM
Quote from: Marth Xero on September 01, 2008, 03:09:36 PM
Anybody with a MSmash that can kill at 35% deserves a higher spot than middle, don't ya think?
Although that MSmash is very hard to time and space right, and I've never done it less than 75% on a human before. :'(

go zamus

...MSmash?
And assuming you mean Ike, no he doesn't. He's slow, he's punishable, and his recovery is god awful. Just camp him for a nice win.
What about Mario's?
"Many people see technology as the problem behind the so-called digital divide. Others see it as the solution. Technology is neither. It must operate in conjunction with business, economic, political and social system."

Cornwad

Bowser is much higher than I though he would be... and Sonic is much lower :P

I think Diddy will rise in the future :D

Dawei

Quote from: SSBBRAWLIN on September 01, 2008, 03:15:32 PM
Quote from: Dawei on September 01, 2008, 03:13:42 PM
Quote from: Marth Xero on September 01, 2008, 03:09:36 PM
Anybody with a MSmash that can kill at 35% deserves a higher spot than middle, don't ya think?
Although that MSmash is very hard to time and space right, and I've never done it less than 75% on a human before. :'(

go zamus

...MSmash?
And assuming you mean Ike, no he doesn't. He's slow, he's punishable, and his recovery is god awful. Just camp him for a nice win.
What about Mario's?
His recovery is even worse, not to mention he has really poor range.

Eizweir

Quote from: Dawei on September 01, 2008, 03:13:42 PM
Quote from: Marth Xero on September 01, 2008, 03:09:36 PM
Anybody with a MSmash that can kill at 35% deserves a higher spot than middle, don't ya think?
Although that MSmash is very hard to time and space right, and I've never done it less than 75% on a human before. :'(

go zamus

...MSmash?
And assuming you mean Ike, no he doesn't. He's slow, he's punishable, and his recovery is god awful. Just camp him for a nice win.
Meteor Smash, Spike. w/e
ZSS's down special (flip jump thing) attack is a very powerful spike, on computers at least -_-
http://steamcommunity.com/id/xluxaeternax

formerly: Marth Xero, Xero, Roy Khan, Diego Armando, Lux Aeterna, and more I forget it was like 11 years ago jeeze

DededeCloneChris

*Prepares for daily questions*

Reasons of why Falco is at the top?

Fatmanonice

I think ROB's a little too high too considering how he's been steadily falling in rank since about June. Poor Mario... if only Boss and Fear weren't the only pros representing him...

Dawei

Quote from: Marth Xero on September 01, 2008, 03:17:37 PM
Quote from: Dawei on September 01, 2008, 03:13:42 PM
Quote from: Marth Xero on September 01, 2008, 03:09:36 PM
Anybody with a MSmash that can kill at 35% deserves a higher spot than middle, don't ya think?
Although that MSmash is very hard to time and space right, and I've never done it less than 75% on a human before. :'(

go zamus

...MSmash?
And assuming you mean Ike, no he doesn't. He's slow, he's punishable, and his recovery is god awful. Just camp him for a nice win.
Meteor Smash, Spike. w/e
ZSS's down special (flip jump thing) attack is a very powerful spike, on computers at least -_-

And she is one of the lightest characters in the game with few killing moves and a extremely poopty recovery.

@chris;Chaingrab, lasers, spike, killing, decent recovery (especially once you learn the curved Firebird), and some good combos puts him there. I'm not the falco expert, but those are the first things that come to mind.

FruitFlow

#12
Quote from: Dawei on September 01, 2008, 03:16:40 PM
Quote from: SSBBRAWLIN on September 01, 2008, 03:15:32 PM
Quote from: Dawei on September 01, 2008, 03:13:42 PM
Quote from: Marth Xero on September 01, 2008, 03:09:36 PM
Anybody with a MSmash that can kill at 35% deserves a higher spot than middle, don't ya think?
Although that MSmash is very hard to time and space right, and I've never done it less than 75% on a human before. :'(

go zamus

...MSmash?
And assuming you mean Ike, no he doesn't. He's slow, he's punishable, and his recovery is god awful. Just camp him for a nice win.
What about Mario's?
His recovery is even worse, not to mention he has really poor range.
Lots of people say Luigi's recovery is worse than Mario's because he only goes straight up in the air.
"Many people see technology as the problem behind the so-called digital divide. Others see it as the solution. Technology is neither. It must operate in conjunction with business, economic, political and social system."

Dawei

Quote from: SSBBRAWLIN on September 01, 2008, 03:24:33 PM
Quote from: Dawei on September 01, 2008, 03:16:40 PM
Quote from: SSBBRAWLIN on September 01, 2008, 03:15:32 PM
Quote from: Dawei on September 01, 2008, 03:13:42 PM
Quote from: Marth Xero on September 01, 2008, 03:09:36 PM
Anybody with a MSmash that can kill at 35% deserves a higher spot than middle, don't ya think?
Although that MSmash is very hard to time and space right, and I've never done it less than 75% on a human before. :'(

go zamus

...MSmash?
And assuming you mean Ike, no he doesn't. He's slow, he's punishable, and his recovery is god awful. Just camp him for a nice win.
What about Mario's?
His recovery is even worse, not to mention he has really poor range.
Lots of people say Luigi's recovery is worse than Mario's because he only goes straight up in the air.
That was melee. Luigi's recovery is 1092348239048x better in brawl than Mario's. Rocket, tornado, AND Up b is insane.

FruitFlow

#14
Quote from: Dawei on September 01, 2008, 03:27:24 PM
Quote from: SSBBRAWLIN on September 01, 2008, 03:24:33 PM
Quote from: Dawei on September 01, 2008, 03:16:40 PM
Quote from: SSBBRAWLIN on September 01, 2008, 03:15:32 PM
Quote from: Dawei on September 01, 2008, 03:13:42 PM
Quote from: Marth Xero on September 01, 2008, 03:09:36 PM
Anybody with a MSmash that can kill at 35% deserves a higher spot than middle, don't ya think?
Although that MSmash is very hard to time and space right, and I've never done it less than 75% on a human before. :'(

go zamus

...MSmash?
And assuming you mean Ike, no he doesn't. He's slow, he's punishable, and his recovery is god awful. Just camp him for a nice win.
What about Mario's?
His recovery is even worse, not to mention he has really poor range.
Lots of people say Luigi's recovery is worse than Mario's because he only goes straight up in the air.
That was melee. Luigi's recovery is 1092348239048x better in brawl than Mario's. Rocket, tornado, AND Up b is insane.
I almost forgot Luigi's Green Missile doesn't put him in that freefall mode. The main thing I think that's best about Luigi is his flaming Jump Punch. Also I forgot that combining both his Tornado and Jump Punch increases the height of his recovery. :P
"Many people see technology as the problem behind the so-called digital divide. Others see it as the solution. Technology is neither. It must operate in conjunction with business, economic, political and social system."