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All discussion pertaining to the Legendary Pokemon -- be they cover, secret, or what have you -- is to take place within this thread.

So, did everyone forget about this?

Unfortunately no, we just stopped caring.
I stopped caring after everyone else stopped caring, I kept posting ideas but no one cared about them so I said "screw it."
Also, someone was supposed to draw some things but never did.

Quote from: JrDude 益 on July 17, 2011, 02:21:22 AM
Unfortunately no, we just stopped caring.
I stopped caring after everyone else stopped caring, I kept posting ideas but no one cared about them so I said "screw it."
Also, someone was supposed to draw some things but never did.

Because I'm the only one that cares. If anyone else is willing to work on this I'm still for it.

I've been willing to work on it, but I need more than ideas ignored.

Quote from: JrDude 益 on July 23, 2011, 01:05:05 PM
I've been willing to work on it, but I need more than ideas ignored.

It's been so long that I pretty much forgot everything. Why don't you hit me up in a PM or IRC or something?

I stopped caring when Kock sucked the fun out of it.

So me and Junior will get this thing going.

If this ever gets "approved".

Can we get some drawings please? This was fun when there was progress.

Quote from: JrDude 益 on April 17, 2012, 10:37:51 AM
Can we get some drawings please? This was fun when there was progress.

No one else cares, and posts don't even appear until OK'd by Hero or an admin, neither of whom can be here all the time.

Plus I have no ideas to work with as far as this thread.

Here's an idea: Draw some horses.
Peaceful feminine horse (The grass goddess thing)
Evil manly horse (Hades)
Neutralish horse (Poseidon)
Heroic-looking horse (Zeus/Pegasus)

Then, instead of trying to talk the details on the looks, I will take your drawings and try to draw my ideas with MS paint, and then you could agree/disagree, and when we agree finally, you can officially draw what you think it should look like based on our team work.

Quote from: JrDude 益 on April 19, 2012, 11:18:13 PM
Here's an idea: Draw some horses.
Peaceful feminine horse (The grass goddess thing)
Evil manly horse (Hades)
Neutralish horse (Poseidon)
Heroic-looking horse (Zeus/Pegasus)

Then, instead of trying to talk the details on the looks, I will take your drawings and try to draw my ideas with MS paint, and then you could agree/disagree, and when we agree finally, you can officially draw what you think it should look like based on our team work.

I think you're forgetting two things

1) Those were the original ideas
2) Kockmongler ruined this project singlehandedly

Quote from: JrDude 益 on April 19, 2012, 11:18:13 PM
Here's an idea: Draw some horses.
Peaceful feminine horse (The grass goddess thing)
Evil manly horse (Hades)
Neutralish horse (Poseidon)
Heroic-looking horse (Zeus/Pegasus)

Then, instead of trying to talk the details on the looks, I will take your drawings and try to draw my ideas with MS paint, and then you could agree/disagree, and when we agree finally, you can officially draw what you think it should look like based on our team work.

Are we still on the horses thing? I'm sure no one mentioned in the past about the ties that the legendary trio (quartet) of Gen V have to the four horsemen of the apocalypse, and after I read up on them myself they seem like a pretty logical inspiration.

It's something I could go further into detail about if you'd like, but after this realization I feel pretty weird about doing horses when the most recent legendary "trio" we had was roughly horse-like (Keldeo the most, physically.)

What other ideas did we have for the legendaries? 'Cause I'd like to see if there's anything else that I could work with.

Though, to be perfectly honest, I don't really think we should focus on the minor trio right now. I'm still all for getting the starters nailed in as well as a few basic animal Pokémon or gimmicky Pokémon. Those are always the first revealed to the public in the official games, so I think it's only natural that we give some focus on them.

Why don't we get some discussion going in the other threads? Alternately, I could just go and bump them myself, which I might do if I have anything to add.

Nothing is happening anywhere. Do not ruin an idea it took a month to agree on. Legendary Stallions shall still be a-go.

Though, speaking of what is normally announced first, the legendary cover guys are usually short after. So why not give the Silverhawkémon a look?

The main idea was Steel/Fly, maybe a red beak to signify Silver's acne problem.
I think it should look similar to this:
[spoiler](http://fineartamerica.com/images-medium/griffin-sight-melissa-a-benson.jpg)[/spoiler]
But that can be up for discussion.

And for Mack, I had an idea of a Cantaur, but as a Moose, as he's Canadian. No one really agreed or disagreed.

The legendaries in Gen V don't really seem related to the four horseman of the apocalypse. I thought they were supposed to be the three musketeer + the fabled fourth musketeer.

Quote from: Z on April 21, 2012, 08:22:14 AM
The legendaries in Gen V don't really seem related to the four horseman of the apocalypse. I thought they were supposed to be the three musketeer + the fabled fourth musketeer.

That seems to be the main inspiration, but after reading an explanation of the four horsemen (Conquest, War, Famine, and Death), I REALLY can't get it out of my head.

If you all are so hell-bent on horses, I'm going to have to really try my ass off to not make them look even remotely similar to the Gen V trio. Which is going to be really, really hard. Also because I don't even remember what they were besides "horses". Someone fill me in.

The greek Gods, Zeus, Hades, Poseidon, and a Goddess who's origin I don't recall, but feeds people fruit or something.
Regardless, for the grass one, someone would have to look around in the old thread. It still exists. It would be pure Grass I think.
The Poseidon-based one is a Hippocamp or something, that makes it's lower-half mermaid-like. Pure Water.
Zeus one is a Pegasus. Either Electric/Flying, or pure Flying. Maybe even the first ever Normal/Flying? I don't remember what was decided.
Hades is a hellish horse who does not share a lot of qualities of Rapidash. Dark/Fire

And don't worry about whether they look like the other trio or not. None of them really look like horses, they're just on all fours.

Quote from: JrDude 益 on April 22, 2012, 10:21:32 PM
The greek Gods, Zeus, Hades, Poseidon, and a Goddess who's origin I don't recall, but feeds people fruit or something.
Regardless, for the grass one, someone would have to look around in the old thread. It still exists. It would be pure Grass I think.
The Poseidon-based one is a Hippocamp or something, that makes it's lower-half mermaid-like. Pure Water.
Zeus one is a Pegasus. Either Electric/Flying, or pure Flying. Maybe even the first ever Normal/Flying? I don't remember what was decided.
Hades is a hellish horse who does not share a lot of qualities of Rapidash. Dark/Fire

And don't worry about whether they look like the other trio or not. None of them really look like horses, they're just on all fours.

Keldeo looks entirely, 100% equine. Just sayin'

For "Pegasus", I don't want to do Electric/Flying. We've had two legendary trio members of that type combination. Also, pure Flying has been a staple on fandexes back when we had 4 or less generations. Even though Gen V included one, I kind of want to make one of our legendaries (this one is perfect) a pure-flying type out of fandex tradition.

Wait, why do we have four, again? That's just another similarity to Gen V's main trio that doesn't make me entirely comfortable. Why not three?

well... http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/wiki/Legendary_musketeers

I think the Four Horseman/Gods idea(s) would be pretty decent. I get why you keep thinking of the muskateers, but this is all just for poops and giggles anyway right?

Quote from: Z on April 23, 2012, 05:26:27 PM
well... http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/wiki/Legendary_musketeers

I think the Four Horseman/Gods idea(s) would be pretty decent. I get why you keep thinking of the muskateers, but this is all just for poops and giggles anyway right?

Um, we're not doing the Four Horsemen, because the Muskateers can also be taken that way. They appear to be a mixture of the two. Actually, I found an image that sort of backs up where I'm coming from and explains it better than I can. May be a bit farfetched, but it certainly made me think.
[spoiler](http://chzpokememes.files.wordpress.com/2011/11/pokepocalypse.png?w=718)[/spoiler]
May be just a coincidence, but it's pretty darn close. Close enough that we are sure as hell not doing the Four Horsemen of the Apocalypse.

I like the image because I do think that a lot of the pokemon are related to the enviroment , but have to point out that the whole 2012 thing has nothing to do with it. Game Freak is not poking fun at the overwhelming minority of Americans that believe that December 21st 2012 is the end. In addition to that...

They are not a mixture of the two. They are officially, based off of the muskateers.

I understand trying to connect things like Kangaskhan and Cubone, but there is little to no basis on them being based off the Four Horsemen of the Apocalypse.

All four stand up for Pokemon against human expansion. Have an ability called Justified(you know, referencing Justice? Not God's justice, christ.) They have sword based moves and are the fighting type. They do not wreak havoc or terror. They do not spread disease. They are not harbingers of the apocalypse. Keldeo is most certainly not based off the horseman of death.

Don't you think that they would have different types if they were based off the Four Horseman? Give Game Freak more credit than that. They would certainly not all be the Fighting type.

Zero, Zero, Zero. Please try to understand.

Quote from: Z on April 25, 2012, 07:03:08 PM
I like the image because I do think that a lot of the pokemon are related to the enviroment , but have to point out that the whole 2012 thing has nothing to do with it. Game Freak is not poking fun at the overwhelming minority of Americans that believe that December 21st 2012 is the end. In addition to that...

No, no, no... no one said they were based off 2012 in any way...

QuoteThey are not a mixture of the two. They are officially, based off of the muskateers.

They say that, yeah. But there are way too many similarities for me to feel comfortable in calling it a coincidence. I do believe that they probably at least considered the Horsemen slightly when going through with the designs (i mean, tons of ideas float across the drawing boards in pre-alpha phases), but focused mainly on the Three Muskateers as they ironed out the details.

QuoteI understand trying to connect things like Kangaskhan and Cubone, but there is little to no basis on them being based off the Four Horsemen of the Apocalypse.

The stuff stated in that pic is plenty of basis, especially compared to the Cubone/Kangaskhan thing. The only thing they have there is that they look similar. Clefairy and Jigglypuff are both pink and fairylike. Big whoop. There's probably more basis on this than Cubone and Kangaskhan, but it's ultimately opinion.

QuoteAll four stand up for Pokemon against human expansion. Have an ability called Justified(you know, referencing Justice? Not God's justice, christ.) They have sword based moves and are the fighting type. They do not wreak havoc or terror. They do not spread disease. They are not harbingers of the apocalypse. Keldeo is most certainly not based off the horseman of death.

Who seriously said they were referencing some kind of divine justice. And finally....

QuoteDon't you think that they would have different types if they were based off the Four Horseman? Give Game Freak more credit than that. They would certainly not all be the Fighting type.

You're looking way too far into this, my dear Zero. They're based primarily off the Three Muskateers. But the image presents a case for the Horsemen so well, it really made me thing. No one ever said that they were based on the Four Horsemen. I just said that they may have inspired them a bit, which is entirely true given the similarities. It could have been an absolute minor nod that held no significance that carried over to types and abilities. All I'm saying is that it's possible.

But seriously, you're looking way too far into if. You're taking my possibility of a slight nod to the Horsemen and twisting it into me trying to pass off the idea that they WEREN'T based on the Muskateers. They definitely share similarities with both (albeit one more than the other), but if you're saying that they're nothing like the Four Horsemen.... well, you're just blind. Coincidence or not, it's definitely there.

Who knows? Maybe they had originally, I mean WAY back, planned on making a trio/quartet on the Four Horsemen, but ultimately settled on the Muskateers instead. There could have been MANY ideas being exchanged there. Maybe they picked the Muskateers as the best idea, but really liked the Horsemen too and found subtle ways to let it secretly live on. Here's the thing, though. It's opinion. You can't prove that their inspiration isn't there, and you can't prove that it isn't. What you can prove is the slight similarities, but whether you choose to take that as coincidence or not is up to each individual.

Okay, but STILL, no one has answered my question. Why exactly do we need four, again? We can't have a simple trio like in Gens I-IV? I don't see the point in adding a fourth, so tell me what the point behind it was simply because I do not know.

The image states Divine justice is reference to the Justified ability. That's...you know, what I was talking about. It also makes a claim for the 2012 thing at the very top. I'm not sure if you didn't see them or...

Yeah man, not saying you can't speculate. You can do whatever. I'm just saying that I don't see why we can't explore the four horseman idea, because those four are officially based off the muskateers and NOT the horsemen. I don't really see the similarities. The "similarities" in that image were incorrectly inferred because none of it is official.

To answer your question, uhhhhhhh I dunno. I'm down for a trio.

These horses we're creating are based on Greek Gods, I don't remember why we chose horses, but we did, and we stick to it.

You are both looking into this more than you need. Stop caring and move to our horses and not the Three Mustangeers. Wanna talk about it? TAKE IT OUT OF THE DEX! We aren't the national Dex yet, we can't make info for other Pokémon yet until we complete this one!
(Obviously a joke referring to real Dexs, I'm not serious about making "info" on other Pokémon)

Why are we doing 4? I honestly don't remember. It was originally gonna be 3, but someone said "THERE SHOULD BE A FOURTH BECAUSE OF LOGIC AND SHIT" and then I think Rob brought up the Grass Goddess or something and we stuck to it. I honestly can live with only the Water, Dark, and Fly being used, as they are based off the Gods I actually know poop about.
EDITWITHOUTEDIT (I realized after typing it all up but didn't want to erase)
I THINK someone said "Zues is too powerful to be just in a trio, he should be a regular legendary.-- No, there's only 3 Greek Gods, he needs to be part of the trio. -- How about A FOURTH AND ZUES IS THE TRIO LEADER LIKE KLEDIO (or whatever that unicorn is)?!" and then we eventually agreed I think.

I'm fine with just 3.

Sweet

We're all down for 3

Quote from: Z on April 26, 2012, 09:08:29 PM
The image states Divine justice is reference to the Justified ability. That's...you know, what I was talking about. It also makes a claim for the 2012 thing at the very top. I'm not sure if you didn't see them or...

Pretty sure that's just another way to look at it. Now, I don't agree with absolutely everything in that image, I just posted it to call attention to that one part.

QuoteYeah man, not saying you can't speculate. You can do whatever. I'm just saying that I don't see why we can't explore the four horseman idea, because those four are officially based off the muskateers and NOT the horsemen. I don't really see the similarities. The "similarities" in that image were incorrectly inferred because none of it is official.

Yeah, but just because something hasn't been "officially confirmed" doesn't mean it's not true. I'm sticking with the idea that GF could very well have considered the Four Horsemen at one point, if even briefly, before settling on the Muskateers. And then, they felt like NOT making the legendary trio overly simple like the lake trio was, so they decided to incorporate some extra features that weren't entirely from the Muskateers. All I'm saying is it's an interesting point of view that I doubt anyone would have considered before seeing it point out to them. I think it's pretty cool as a possibility.

QuoteTo answer your question, uhhhhhhh I dunno. I'm down for a trio.

I think maybe because some trios had an external trio leader (Wasn't Lugia the leader of the Legendary birds or something? More accurately, Regigigas is the leader of the three Regis.), but the leader wasn't introduced in the same generation as the rest of them. And it doesn't share many similarities with its earlier generation trio. We don't really have trios with a clear leader introduced all at once, which is why I'm wondering why we felt it was necessary here. Thinking of Regigigas as the best example of a trio leader, it seems like it was thrown in more as a "Let's see how many legendaries we can cram in here!" than anything else.

I just think it would be superfluous. Perhaps we should stick with the Birds/Beasts/Regi-like trio, two "cover legendaries", a "cover legendary leader", and some small, cute legendary. That's seven legendaries. Gen I had 5, Gen II had 6, Gen III had 10, Gen IV had... 13? (not counting Phione), and Gen V had 13 (I think). Personally, I thought we had way too many in Gen IV onward, and III was a bit of a stretch, though my opinion might be different since I'm particularly fond of Gen III's legendaries.

I dunno, I'd much rather have a "cover legendary leader/3rd member" like Rayquaza, Giratina, and Kyurem than a fourth member of a trio. What do you guys think of that?

Quote from: JrDude 益 on April 26, 2012, 11:03:37 PM
These horses we're creating are based on Greek Gods, I don't remember why we chose horses, but we did, and we stick to it.

You are both looking into this more than you need. Stop caring and move to our horses and not the Three Mustangeers. Wanna talk about it? TAKE IT OUT OF THE DEX! We aren't the national Dex yet, we can't make info for other Pokémon yet until we complete this one!
(Obviously a joke referring to real Dexs, I'm not serious about making "info" on other Pokémon)

I.... literally have no idea what you're trying to say here. Especially after reading that transparent text. Just....yeah.

QuoteWhy are we doing 4? I honestly don't remember. It was originally gonna be 3, but someone said "THERE SHOULD BE A FOURTH BECAUSE OF LOGIC AND SHIT" and then I think Rob brought up the Grass Goddess or something and we stuck to it. I honestly can live with only the Water, Dark, and Fly being used, as they are based off the Gods I actually know poop about.
EDITWITHOUTEDIT (I realized after typing it all up but didn't want to erase)
I THINK someone said "Zues is too powerful to be just in a trio, he should be a regular legendary.-- No, there's only 3 Greek Gods, he needs to be part of the trio. -- How about A FOURTH AND ZUES IS THE TRIO LEADER LIKE KLEDIO (or whatever that unicorn is)?!" and then we eventually agreed I think.

I'm fine with just 3.

Yeah, I really wouldn't be crushed if we stuck with three, but I do have an idea of a compromise.

We don't make Zeus a horse, but we incorporate Zeus' elements (electricity) and features into the "3rd cover legendary". That way we still use Zeus in some way, but we kill two birds with one stone by lumping it in with.... with.... Vaatixmon.

Now you're confusing the poop out of me.

I never said we don't use Zeus, we should say "Screw you grass horse" As I don't even remember the name of the Goddess it's based off of, and the original idea of the trio's base was the 3 main Greek Gods, Zeus, Poseidon, and Hades. No 4th was in mind, no grass was in mind. Then someone (was it YOU KAYO?!) said Zeus is too powerful to be a minor trio legendary, so it sparked the lame "ADD A 4TH HORSE" idea.
If we add anything, it should probably be the father of the Gods we're basing it off of, Kronos (WHY DIDN'T THIS COME TO MIND EARLIER AS "TRIO LEADER?" I DON'T KNOW). Whether it be a horse or not, it should exist as the 3rd cover legendary, and be based on Kronos, who was overthrown by his son Zeus. Though if we create info, we can make it so the whole trio did something to it and it's now mad? IDK.

But the main point I want clear, If we only do a trio, it's still Fly, Water, and Dark/Fire. We can say "screw you Ms. Grass Goddess legendary base"

Quote from: JrDude 益 on April 27, 2012, 11:27:54 PM
Now you're confusing the poop out of me.

I never said we don't use Zeus, we should say "Screw you grass horse" As I don't even remember the name of the Goddess it's based off of, and the original idea of the trio's base was the 3 main Greek Gods, Zeus, Poseidon, and Hades. No 4th was in mind, no grass was in mind. Then someone (was it YOU KAYO?!) said Zeus is too powerful to be a minor trio legendary, so it sparked the lame "ADD A 4TH HORSE" idea.

I think it was Rob.

QuoteIf we add anything, it should probably be the father of the Gods we're basing it off of, Kronos (WHY DIDN'T THIS COME TO MIND EARLIER AS "TRIO LEADER?" I DON'T KNOW). Whether it be a horse or not, it should exist as the 3rd cover legendary, and be based on Kronos, who was overthrown by his son Zeus. Though if we create info, we can make it so the whole trio did something to it and it's now mad? IDK.

But the main point I want clear, If we only do a trio, it's still Fly, Water, and Dark/Fire. We can say "screw you Ms. Grass Goddess legendary base"

Two single-typed Pokemon and one dual-typed. They've always either had one type or shared a secondary type. (Don't get me started on the lake trio.) Kinda weird. Not entirely sure it would need two types. Maybe a single type, but still learning moves of the other type in theory. Idunno. Or we mix some element of a secondary type into Poseidon (Who says it has to be pure water? No reason we can't combine Poseidon-ness with another type like Steel or something), then we'd have two dual typed and one single typed.... but the single is a rare "combination" in itself anyway. Again, Idunno. Wouldn't mind making Poseidon dual-typed, tbh.

Kronos. I'm no expert on Greek mythology so I never thought of that. I'm confused.

I still don't want a legendary quartet, though, regardless.

If we give Poseidon a second type, the types that come to my mind are: Normal (He once slept with a human, so it sparked the idea. Doesn't mean I really like the idea, especially since Zeus slept with a human as well), Electric (The trident seems like it could be a good thing to shoot out electricity, though, Neptune from the Little Mermaid is in mind when I think of this. I don't really like this idea either since Electric would be a good but not necessary type for the Zeus one), Psychic (This just came to mind randomly, seems interesting, unique, but doesn't really fit), Ice (Ice =~ Water, he could control both? It would be a first for a Legendary). But NO Steel (Palkia, Empoleon)... Though, I guess the idea isn't TERRIBLE...

I'm going either Water/Ice, or Pure Water. It wouldn't be the end of the world either if Hades was just Dark with Fire-like features, but for some reason, I feel against just Pure Fire type. Partially because of Rapidash being Pure Fire Horse, partially because, Darkness seems like it needs to be there in my opinion.

In regards to the Quartet, I don't care if it's one or not. But you said you wanted relation between the horses and the 3rd cover legendary by it being related to Zeus, so I threw out the idea of Kronos. Does it need to be a Horse? Not necessarily, but it could still relate in some way.

Quote from: JrDude 益 on April 30, 2012, 11:26:51 PM
If we give Poseidon a second type, the types that come to my mind are: Normal (He once slept with a human, so it sparked the idea. Doesn't mean I really like the idea, especially since Zeus slept with a human as well), Electric (The trident seems like it could be a good thing to shoot out electricity, though, Neptune from the Little Mermaid is in mind when I think of this. I don't really like this idea either since Electric would be a good but not necessary type for the Zeus one), Psychic (This just came to mind randomly, seems interesting, unique, but doesn't really fit), Ice (Ice =~ Water, he could control both? It would be a first for a Legendary). But NO Steel (Palkia, Empoleon)... Though, I guess the idea isn't TERRIBLE...

Legendary Pokemon that gets Normal along with its recognized type? Gross. Don't worry about Psychic not "fitting", we don't need to make a secondary type fit, though it wouldn't be wise to do anything outrageous here. Also, Palkia is Water/Dragon. Just sayin'.

QuoteI'm going either Water/Ice, or Pure Water. It wouldn't be the end of the world either if Hades was just Dark with Fire-like features, but for some reason, I feel against just Pure Fire type. Partially because of Rapidash being Pure Fire Horse, partially because, Darkness seems like it needs to be there in my opinion.

I personally don't think Hades needs to be a Fire-type. I know, Underworld, Hell, Fire and Brimstone, bawww, but it wouldn't be a bad idea to just emphasize darkness here. I'm also getting a bit of a Headless Horseman vibe, which I kind of like. As for Poseidon again, why Water/Ice? Water-type Pokemon have always, repeat, ALWAYS, been able to use Ice Beam/Blizzard as long as they are able to use TMs in the first place. Ice is just a plain hindering type on Water. It's a horrible thing to do to ol' Poseidon. Pure water wouldn't be bad; I mean, so far we've had Suicune, Kyogre, and Manaphy (Keldeo isn't really "out" as far as the point I'm making) in that department. All have been really functional in battling because of their type: Pure Water is a pretty great type. If we had Zeus/Poseidon/Hades and they were Electric, Water, and Dark, I would approve of that 100%. I think that's a great idea. We have Zeus at the front of the group, slightly leading the two (sort of like Cobalion), Poseidon being there doin' his thing, controlling 75% of the Earth's covering. And then Hades being all gloomy and poop in the third slot. Could really work.

QuoteIn regards to the Quartet, I don't care if it's one or not. But you said you wanted relation between the horses and the 3rd cover legendary by it being related to Zeus, so I threw out the idea of Kronos. Does it need to be a Horse? Not necessarily, but it could still relate in some way.

VaatiKronoMon isn't gonna be a horse. I'm pretty sure we were thinking of something non-horse for it, I don't want a fourth horse, and it should really be something else. I like the Kronos idea, though, and I really think Kronos + Zeus/Poseidon/Hades would be perfect for our legendaries.

... Oops, I accidentally combined Palkia and Dialga's typing, without the Dragon part. Remembering this makes me like the idea better about Poseidon being Part Steel.

But reading got me thinking.
I'm not even sure if I like the idea, but with Hades being Pure Dark with Fire Qualities, what if we made the others type+other qualities? (With that idea, it seems like we might as well add a second type to all, but that's not part of the idea)
Zeus can be Fly with Electric qualities. Poseidon can be Water with Ice qualities, but they're still both only the singular type, Fly/Water/Dark.
Or we could do Fly, Dark/Fire, Water/Steel.
Whichever works.

Partial idea for Hades that you gave me, maybe have stitches on the neck. It will look partially sick/dark/evil, and kinda emphasize a part that he was screwed by Zeus (he was tricked and sent to the underworld, which is how he became the God of it), though at the same time it doesn't as it has nothing to do with his head being cut off. But it came to mind when you said Headless Horseman.

And in regards of Order #-wise, I think it should be Poseidon, Hades, Zeus.

And the Vaatix Krono Legenary being the 3rd cover legendary got me thinking too, should we give it a second form? It being related to the horses gave me the idea of Centaur-like Pokémon.
Though, I'm not sure I like this idea either, I'm just throwing it out there. Especially since we don't even know what it would look like in it's first form.

Quote from: JrDude 益 on May 03, 2012, 11:43:30 PM
... Oops, I accidentally combined Palkia and Dialga's typing, without the Dragon part. Remembering this makes me like the idea better about Poseidon being Part Steel.

But reading got me thinking.
I'm not even sure if I like the idea, but with Hades being Pure Dark with Fire Qualities, what if we made the others type+other qualities? (With that idea, it seems like we might as well add a second type to all, but that's not part of the idea)

That's sort of what we're going with. I'm pretty sure everyone agrees on making them all single typed, so I'm assuming they all will be. Obviously they're gonna have other qualities.

QuoteZeus can be Fly with Electric qualities. Poseidon can be Water with Ice qualities, but they're still both only the singular type, Fly/Water/Dark.
Or we could do Fly, Dark/Fire, Water/Steel.
Whichever works.

I thought we were doing Electric/Water/Dark? I probably have this wrong though. But if we were going to make the other two dual-typed, we might as well make Zeus Electric/Flying. I don't really want to do that. I don't know, I think of Electric when I think Zeus moreso than flying. But Flying with Electric qualities... Eh, I know we were thinking of a Pegasus thing (right?) but I'm really feeling pure electric. It's really hard for me to think of it as electric AND Pegasus-like without thinking Electric/Flying.... I hate to say it, but it might be better off to make all three of them dual-typed. I really want to stay away from that idea, though, unless we give them all a common type... which isn't happening.
Zeus is really throwing me off. Does he have to fly?

EDIT: Just realized, Silver-Mon is a Flying type. Let's really not make any of the little trio fly. Silver, mack, and Vaatix can all fly, if you'd like (I'm not opposed to it), but let's stick to the electric aspects of Zeus and make the whole trio grounded.

QuotePartial idea for Hades that you gave me, maybe have stitches on the neck. It will look partially sick/dark/evil, and kinda emphasize a part that he was screwed by Zeus (he was tricked and sent to the underworld, which is how he became the God of it), though at the same time it doesn't as it has nothing to do with his head being cut off. But it came to mind when you said Headless Horseman.

It could work. I'm not quite on designing them aesthetically at the moment because typing and stuff, but I'll definitely remember that.

QuoteAnd in regards of Order #-wise, I think it should be Poseidon, Hades, Zeus.

Strongly disagree. If Hades is gonna be evil, I really think it should be last, as it kind of antagonizes the other two.

QuoteAnd the Vaatix Krono Legenary being the 3rd cover legendary got me thinking too, should we give it a second form? It being related to the horses gave me the idea of Centaur-like Pokémon.
Though, I'm not sure I like this idea either, I'm just throwing it out there. Especially since we don't even know what it would look like in it's first form.

I don't think I like the extra forme idea. Let's stick with one, for now at least. We don't have anything on that Poke yet.

It was a Pegasus from the start, it was never much else. And Zeus is God of the Sky and Thunder, mainly, the sky. But I thought no one wanted another Electric/Fly trio member, since 2 exist already (Zapdos, Thundurus), so I went with Flying. I honestly don't mind taking the Emboar route.

But Grounded, I was thinking only the Hades one would be actually "grounded," as a big idea for the Poseidon one was a Hippocamp, which would replace the back legs with a Mermaid-like-tail, thus making them all stuck somewhere (Though I guess a Pegasus isn't actually stuck in the sky, but you catch my drift).

And thinking more on the order #-wise, Maybe Zeus, Poseidon, Hades (or vice versa)? Hades is technically the oldest of the 3, while Zeus is the youngest (I actually didn't remember this, but happened upon it on Wikipedia and it gave me the idea), so it would make sense in a way.

And on the Edit, Entei was Fire, Ho-Oh was Fire/Fly. Just because they share a type, doesn't mean they share appearance or any real significant similarities, besides a type.

Quote from: JrDude 益 on May 07, 2012, 12:21:13 AM
It was a Pegasus from the start, it was never much else. And Zeus is God of the Sky and Thunder, mainly, the sky. But I thought no one wanted another Electric/Fly trio member, since 2 exist already (Zapdos, Thundurus), so I went with Flying. I honestly don't mind taking the Emboar route.

I'm addressing this at the bottom, after the last thing you said, so bleh.

QuoteBut Grounded, I was thinking only the Hades one would be actually "grounded," as a big idea for the Poseidon one was a Hippocamp, which would replace the back legs with a Mermaid-like-tail, thus making them all stuck somewhere (Though I guess a Pegasus isn't actually stuck in the sky, but you catch my drift).

You want them all stuck somewhere? Why can't they all be free to roam the lands or something? That's the idea I get when I think horses.

QuoteAnd thinking more on the order #-wise, Maybe Zeus, Poseidon, Hades (or vice versa)? Hades is technically the oldest of the 3, while Zeus is the youngest (I actually didn't remember this, but happened upon it on Wikipedia and it gave me the idea), so it would make sense in a way.

This is the exact order I mentioned, if you notice.

QuoteAnd on the Edit, Entei was Fire, Ho-Oh was Fire/Fly. Just because they share a type, doesn't mean they share appearance or any real significant similarities, besides a type.

Yeah, but in this case, both "cover legendaries" are flying; and the idea is that they share the flying type. Lugia and Ho-Oh shared the flying type. None of the trio was Flying. Like, say one of the three muskateers was a Dragon-type? It would be weird, because the cover trio notably shares the Dragon type. It's KNOWN for sharing the Dragon-type. I'm not sure how to word this but:

Dialga, Palkia, and Giratina are respectively Steel/Dragon, Water/Dragon, and Ghost/Dragon. It would be less strange for ONE of the tree minor trio members to be of the Steel type than of the Dragon type.

I used to be open to the idea of Flying/Water/Dark, but at this point since I realized that SilverMon and MackorMon are both flying from what we have so far, we should make this some other type. For the sake of typing and stuff, I'm much more supportive of an Electric-type Zeus horse. We could have Electric, Water, Dark, plus Steel/Flying, Ice/Flying (Mack's Canadian. Canada's cold. I'm spitballing leavemealone) and what, Ghost/Flying? We'd cover a lot more type bases that way, which I'd prefer.

We can still incorporate Pegasus-qualities into a non-legendary in some way, remember. I can't think of how, but remember we have over 120 non-legendary Pokemon to get to.

Woah, what the intercourse ? The Mack Pokémon's type was almost literally never discussed, how you got Flying at all is all you. Last I remember discussing it, we were throwing ideas around, and the only idea I remember is a Moose, due to Canada.
But Flying was never mentioned for the Mack one to my knowledge. We can make him Ice due to Canada as well, but Mack shares little to no qualities with a bird.

An Idea that JUST came to my mind is, because Mack is known to love House and use that as his Avatar and junk (House is the doctor from the show House, I'm sure you know, I'm just clarifying). Maybe he could be one of those dogs (I THINK They're Blood Hounds, but I may just be confusing it with the sniffer dogs) who carry around those little medical things on their collars or whatever. Make it all top-dog-like, have something on it's neck to make it reference that, and make it an part/full Ice type.

And on the Horses being stuck, One Horse roams the GINORMOUS Seas, One Roams the land and underworld, one Roams the skies. Sounds interesting in my head.

Quote from: JrDude 益 on May 12, 2012, 01:51:26 AM
Woah, what the intercourse ? The Mack Pokémon's type was almost literally never discussed, how you got Flying at all is all you. Last I remember discussing it, we were throwing ideas around, and the only idea I remember is a Moose, due to Canada.
But Flying was never mentioned for the Mack one to my knowledge. We can make him Ice due to Canada as well, but Mack shares little to no qualities with a bird.

It was a long time ago, some idea was floating around to make them both fly. But whatever.

QuoteAn Idea that JUST came to my mind is, because Mack is known to love House and use that as his Avatar and junk (House is the doctor from the show House, I'm sure you know, I'm just clarifying). Maybe he could be one of those dogs (I THINK They're Blood Hounds, but I may just be confusing it with the sniffer dogs) who carry around those little medical things on their collars or whatever. Make it all top-dog-like, have something on it's neck to make it reference that, and make it an part/full Ice type.

Doesn't seem like we can make an eye-popping gargantuan legendary out of a dog. These two have to be big, remember? If we wanna make subtle nods to a doctor-type thing, like decorate it with one or two red crosses or something, that would work. Pure Ice-type is gross; it's a god-awful type and we should give it a second type. I'm almost supportive of having the two of them share a Steel type, like be Steel/Flying and Steel/Ice, because every time the cover legendaries have been dual-typed, they've always shared a type. Steel would be a good partner to ice, especially because (if I remember right) we've yet to see a Pokemon with that type combination, and only one Pokemon has the Steel/Flying combo.

How does everyone feel about Steel/Flying for Silver and Steel/Ice for Mack?

QuoteAnd on the Horses being stuck, One Horse roams the GINORMOUS Seas, One Roams the land and underworld, one Roams the skies. Sounds interesting in my head.

If we made Silver and Mack Steel/Flying and Steel/Ice, I'd be more than happy about the horses being Flying, Water, and Dark.

So, just a recap, since I think we've reached a nice conclusion here, and not too many people are contributing, is ANYONE opposed to this type layout?

#???	(PegasusMon)	Flying
#???	(PoseiMon)	Water
#???	(HadesMon)	Dark
#???	(SilverMon)	Flying	Steel
#???	(MackorMon)	Ice	Steel

I put Silver's Flying type first, so the shared type can be second, according to tradition. We've never had a dual-typed Pokemon have Flying as its primary type, so this will be new and interesting.

Like I said you already ruined it. What happened to the Persephone?

Steel Ice doesn't bother me. Though, you're basing it off of most of the games, Ruby/Saphire Pokémon had 100% different types on the cover legendaries. It wouldn't bother me at all if it were Ice, Ice/Steel, or even Ice/Electric (Actually, that seems pretty cool, but it was just a random type that came to mind to signify that I don't care much about the typing)

And if you mean the 4th horse Rob, we got rid of it. Trio is good enough. The reason behind adding a 4th Horse was stupid enough to get rid of the idea all together. Wanna understand better? Look back in the thread.

Quote from: The Riddler on May 12, 2012, 05:26:38 PM
Like I said you already ruined it. What happened to the Persephone?

What are you talking about? Don't remember anything of that nature ever being discussed.

Hippocamp, draw a blue hippocamp, have a yellow-ended tail with 3 prongs, to make it look like a Trident, but still a fin at the same time.
Pegasus, draw a white pegasus. Idea for feet: Add some cloud-looking fur around them? idea for legs: Put yellow thunder bolts on them. If not there, somewhere.
Hadeshorse, draw a black  horse. Add stitches to the neck if you desire. Give it blood red hair and demonic red eyes. Maybe bone-like qualities to reference god of the Dead.

Just draw please.