Why people are disappointed with the roster, and why our "whining" is justified.

[Jono2]

Yeah, i stole this from gamefaqs.


Skip to end for summary.

Part 1: Number of Characters
SSB64 characters: 12
Melee Characters: 25
Increase: 52%

Melee Characters: 25
Brawl Characters: 35
Increase: 28%

Conclusion: Melee increased the number of characters by 52%, but Brawl increased it only by 28%.

Part 2: Revealed Information
Total Brawl Characters: 35

1. Returning from Melee: 21 (21/35 = 60%)
60% of Brawl characters are old. 40% of Brawl characters are new.

2. Revealed before Roster Leak:
a) Revealed newcomers on Dojo: 11
b) Already experienced in Melee: 21
c) Total Known: 32 (32/35 = 91%)
d) Total Unknown: 3 ([spoiler]Lucario, Wolf, ROB[/spoiler]: 3/35 = 9%)

Conclusion: 60% of Brawl characters are from Melee, and only 3 are surprises. (Not preivously revealed on Dojo; not in Melee.)

Part 3: Character Choices
People don't like [spoiler]ROB and Toon Link[/spoiler]; they like Ridley and Geno.

SUMMARY
1. There are 28% more characters in Brawl than Melee, but Melee had 52% more than SSB64.
2. 60% of Brawl characters were in Melee.
3. Only 3 characters on the final roster weren't on the Dojo or in Melee.
4. People don't like [spoiler]ROB and Toon Link[/spoiler], 2 of those 3 characters.



the three new characters that we didn't already know about from either the dojo or melee were terribly disappointing.  [spoiler]Nobody wanted ROB, few people wanted Toon Link, as he's just a Link clone.  Lucario was well placed, but the only one.[/spoiler]

[Kaz]

Well intercourse  the haters, because I like Toon Link.

[Nayrman]

Completely agreed!
I officially hate ROB now...
all I can say is that this BETTER not be the FINAL roster...
They spend all this time on the game and a nine character increase? That's it? Seriously I think they spent WAY too much time on the collectable junk.

[Ridley]

Completely agreed!
I officially hate ROB now...
all I can say is that this BETTER not be the FINAL roster...
They spend all this time on the game and a nine character increase? That's it? Seriously I think they spent WAY too much time on the collectable junk.

Sakurai: Oh gosh guys wouldn't you rather have the stickers than characters? I say they are better.

[Tupin]

Completely agreed!
I officially hate ROB now...
all I can say is that this BETTER not be the FINAL roster...
They spend all this time on the game and a nine character increase? That's it? Seriously I think they spent WAY too much time on the collectable junk.

Once again: Jack of all trades, master of none.

[Cornwad]

Completely agreed!
I officially hate ROB now...
all I can say is that this BETTER not be the FINAL roster...
They spend all this time on the game and a nine character increase? That's it? Seriously I think they spent WAY too much time on the collectable junk.

Once again: Jack of all trades, master of none.

Everything looks good except for the roster :P

[Nayrman]

Completely agreed!
I officially hate ROB now...
all I can say is that this BETTER not be the FINAL roster...
They spend all this time on the game and a nine character increase? That's it? Seriously I think they spent WAY too much time on the collectable junk.

Once again: Jack of all trades, master of none.

Everything looks good except for the roster :P

I know it's pretty sad in a way X_X;;

[Geno]

Completely agreed!
I officially hate ROB now...
all I can say is that this BETTER not be the FINAL roster...
They spend all this time on the game and a nine character increase? That's it? Seriously I think they spent WAY too much time on the collectable junk.

Once again: Jack of all trades, master of none.

Everything looks good except for the roster :P

Which was the major part of excitement for Brawl.

[Ridley]

Completely agreed!
I officially hate ROB now...
all I can say is that this BETTER not be the FINAL roster...
They spend all this time on the game and a nine character increase? That's it? Seriously I think they spent WAY too much time on the collectable junk.

Once again: Jack of all trades, master of none.

Everything looks good except for the roster :P

I know it's pretty sad in a way X_X;;

I wanted it for the characters!!!

[Tupin]

Completely agreed!
I officially hate ROB now...
all I can say is that this BETTER not be the FINAL roster...
They spend all this time on the game and a nine character increase? That's it? Seriously I think they spent WAY too much time on the collectable junk.

Once again: Jack of all trades, master of none.

Everything looks good except for the roster :P

I know it's pretty sad in a way X_X;;

I wanted it for the characters!!!

Yeah, too many uneeded modes, not enough characters.

[Nayrman]

Completely agreed!
I officially hate ROB now...
all I can say is that this BETTER not be the FINAL roster...
They spend all this time on the game and a nine character increase? That's it? Seriously I think they spent WAY too much time on the collectable junk.

Once again: Jack of all trades, master of none.

Everything looks good except for the roster :P

I know it's pretty sad in a way X_X;;

I wanted it for the characters!!!

Yeah, too many uneeded modes, not enough characters.

Way too much collectable junk... X_X;;

[X-3]

Well intercourse  the haters, because I like Toon Link.

Damn straight.

You guys are pretty much saying you'd like a game with over 50 characters...but only a Classic Mode. Get over it, not all teh characters you wnat are going to be in.

[Nayrman]

Well f*** the haters, because I like Toon Link.

dang straight.

You guys are pretty much saying you'd like a game with over 50 characters...but only a Classic Mode. Get over it, not all teh characters you wnat are going to be in.

I'm fine if I don't get everyone I want, but they get over twice as long to make this game than did Melee or Smash, and yet only nine new characters? I know they made subspace but jeezus they could've done more than that...especially since over half hte characters were done since the models were handed to them by other developers!

[Jono2]

Well intercourse  the haters, because I like Toon Link.

Damn straight.

You guys are pretty much saying you'd like a game with over 50 characters...but only a Classic Mode. Get over it, not all teh characters you wnat are going to be in.

I have nothing wrong with Toon Link, so long as he isn't a clone. :|

ROB is what I'm mad at.  there's no reason for ROB to be in the game.

I don't want 50+ characters.  I'm fine with 35 characters, so long as the characters in are good characters.  but that obviously didn't happen.  at the very least, one of them is a complete waste of space.

Toon Link has gotta be a clone of Link.  what else could he be?
Ganondorf is a C. Falcon clone.  again.
Ness is a Lucas Clone.
Falco's FS matches Fox's, and looks to be shaping up to be another clone.  If Wolf is in the game, he can't be anything but a clone.
Ganon's FS matches Bowsers, except a different character.
Jiggs' FS is potentially just huge Jiggs.
Luigi & Mario, obviously.
Lucario looks like a vamped up mewtwo.

like, they could be more original, but nintendo saw how much hype it was getting, so they decided to just spend less time and effort on it and just give us a roster of intercourse ing clones, while they can continue to rake in money with their stupid-ass intercourse ing system.

I'm getting a 360 regardless, but this game might just make me get it sooner. :|

[Nayrman]

Well f*** the haters, because I like Toon Link.

dang straight.

You guys are pretty much saying you'd like a game with over 50 characters...but only a Classic Mode. Get over it, not all teh characters you wnat are going to be in.

I have nothing wrong with Toon Link, so long as he isn't a clone. :|

ROB is what I'm mad at.  there's no reason for ROB to be in the game.

I don't want 50+ characters.  I'm fine with 35 characters, so long as the characters in are good characters.  but that obviously didn't happen.  at the very least, one of them is a complete waste of space.

Toon Link has gotta be a clone of Link.  what else could he be?
Ganondorf is a C. Falcon clone.  again.
Ness is a Lucas Clone.
Falco's FS matches Fox's, and looks to be shaping up to be another clone.  If Wolf is in the game, he can't be anything but a clone.
Ganon's FS matches Bowsers, except a different character.
Jiggs' FS is potentially just huge Jiggs.
Luigi & Mario, obviously.
Lucario looks like a vamped up mewtwo.

like, they could be more original, but nintendo saw how much hype it was getting, so they decided to just spend less time and effort on it and just give us a roster of f***ing clones, while they can continue to rake in money with their stupid-ass f***ing system.

I'm getting a 360 regardless, but this game might just make me get it sooner. :|

I doubt Dorf is a clone again. If he is Sakurai has become the laziest developer ever in a  certain light. Again, I pray this isn't final...ROB ruined it in every way