I'm just about to obtain all entries in my Diamond Version. But I wondered if anybody else completed their Gen IV, III, II, or I dex before. This is actually the first time I ever reached this far. How about you?
Note: Japanese Gen V doesn't count, sorry.
Quote from: PuttyChris on March 03, 2011, 05:35:37 PM
I'm just about to obtain all entries in my Diamond Version. But I wondered if anybody else completed their Gen IV, III, II, or I dex before. This is actually the first time I ever reached this far. How about you?
Note: Japanese Gen V doesn't count, sorry.
I'm at 492 in Diamond. Only thing missing is Slowbro, only because I haven't gotten around to trading one over from SoulSilver. I'm counting that.
Never mind. I FINALLY filled it. Got thanked by Game Freak, my pseudo-rival lab assistant, and Oak.
Quote from: PuttyChris on March 03, 2011, 05:35:37 PM
Note: Japanese Gen V doesn't count, sorry.
wat why not
also no, I dislike a good 3/4 of the pokemon after gen 2, so completing the pokedex doesn't really interest me
i completed it in Red on my GBC though.
I hardly remember, but I'm fairly sure I completed my Gen 1 dex.
I'm sure I completed the entire Gen 3 dex. I had all 383 available Pokemon, in order, in the Pokemon Box storage. Was missing Mew, Celebi, and Deoxys.
I also...
Quote from: PuttyChris on March 03, 2011, 05:35:37 PM
Note: Japanese Gen V doesn't count, sorry.
Why? And this is specifically targeted at me D:
I filled it all legitimately... almost. I had to cheat to obtain additional evolutionary stones (transferred them to/from a flash card save file).
I don't think there's much reason to it, but it's only the odd-numbered generations I've completed the Pokedex for.
Quote from: bluaki on March 03, 2011, 06:44:52 PM
I hardly remember, but I'm fairly sure I completed my Gen 1 dex.
I'm sure I completed the entire Gen 3 dex. I had all 383 available Pokemon, in order, in the Pokemon Box storage. Was missing Mew, Celebi, and Deoxys.
I also...Why? And this is specifically targeted at me D:
I filled it all legitimately... almost. I had to cheat to obtain additional evolutionary stones (transferred them to/from a flash card save file).
I don't think there's much reason to it, but it's only the odd-numbered generations I've completed the Pokedex for.
Because G/S were a ninny to transfer some pokemon from R/B/Y to? As far an Gan IV, can't see why. The GTS was the reason I was able to complete it. Version exclusives and such.
Quote from: Kayo on March 03, 2011, 06:49:23 PM
Because G/S were a ninny to transfer some pokemon from R/B/Y to? As far an Gan IV, can't see why. The GTS was the reason I was able to complete it. Version exclusives and such.
I never had a guide for G/S and many Pokemon are ridiculously rare in the wild and you'd never find it accidentally. I think I remember Yanma and Snubbull being two of them.
In Diamond, I never felt particularly motivated and continuing to catch even all the Sinnoh Pokemon seemed like a drag. It largely involved hunting for items, obtaining tons of swarm-only Pokemon, slowly transferring exclusives from third gen. GTS never gave me a remotely reasonable deal on the Pearl-exclusives (the Glameow you gave me is the first one I've ever had). It's a bizarre and terrible idea to make a game where you can't natively catch nearly half of the new Pokemon introduced without transferring Pokemon from older games. Though Platinum improved these, it was sorta too late for me to feel like doing much more.
Near the end of fourth gen, I tried making some progress. And then I transferred most of that over to Black and finished it there.
Quote from: bluaki on March 03, 2011, 07:02:10 PM
I never had a guide for G/S and many Pokemon are ridiculously rare in the wild and you'd never find it accidentally. I think I remember Yanma and Snubbull being two of them.
In Diamond, I never felt particularly motivated and continuing to catch even all the Sinnoh Pokemon seemed like a drag. It largely involved hunting for items, obtaining tons of swarm-only Pokemon, slowly transferring exclusives from third gen. GTS never gave me a remotely reasonable deal on the Pearl-exclusives (the Glameow you gave me is the first one I've ever had). It's a bizarre and terrible idea to make a game where you can't natively catch nearly half of the new Pokemon introduced without transferring Pokemon from older games. Though Platinum improved these, it was sorta too late for me to feel like doing much more.
Near the end of fourth gen, I tried making some progress. And then I transferred most of that over to Black and finished it there.
I don't remember ever catching a Yanma on Gold, actually. Snubbull was one of those 1%-in-one-or-two-routes things. And it wasn't even a great pokemon, sadly enough.
Hah, I just checked. Route north of Goldenrod, 1% chance of finding Yanma. Well okay then. I never really used that grass, because the National Park was right there, and you needed Cut to get past the grass anyway without going through the Park anyway. Yeah, I never would have found one. :/
Filling the Dex by default I've done, but catching the pokemon intentionally just to have their data added in I've never done.
You receive nothing out of it, so I view it as a waste of an effort.
If I unlocked something or got an achievement from it, then maybe I'd attempt it.
But overall that it's not worth the time imo.
Quote from: Negative Vibes on March 03, 2011, 07:17:53 PM
Filling the Dex by default I've done, but catching the pokemon intentionally just to have their data added in I've never done.
You receive nothing out of it, so I view it as a waste if an effort.
If I unlocked something or got an achievement from it, then maybe i'd attempt it.
But overall that it's not worth the time imo.
DON'T YOU REMEMBER YOUR CHILDHOOD MISSION?
GOTTA CATCH 'EM ALL
Quote from: Kayo on March 03, 2011, 07:23:51 PM
DON'T YOU REMEMBER YOUR CHILDHOOD MISSION?
GOTTA CATCH 'EM ALL
My childhood mission was to catch and raise the awesome ones. 8)
GOTTA CATCH THE COOL!
POKEMON!
bluaki is more legit than all of you
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ilublu
you're the real pokemon master
I do plan on filling it on Black though.
Well, there's a bigger reason to catch everyone in Gen V. I want to have over SIX-HUNDRED animated sprites, please. 8)
Quote from: Kayo on March 03, 2011, 08:24:27 PM
I do plan on filling it on Black though.
All 600?
Quote from: Kayo on March 03, 2011, 08:31:51 PM
649.
The longer I dwell here, the longer I'm wide open for spoilers.
Quote from: Negative Vibes on March 03, 2011, 08:34:47 PM
I usually just round big numbers.
650 then.
WHY COULDN'T THERE BE 650?
Quote from: Kayo on March 03, 2011, 08:37:31 PM
650 then.
WHY COULDN'T THERE BE 650?
I won't be surprised if they have one last Pokemon hidden away.
Quote from: Kayo on March 03, 2011, 08:37:31 PM
650 then.
WHY COULDN'T THERE BE 650?
Quote from: PuttyChris on March 03, 2011, 08:40:06 PM
I won't be surprised if they have one last Pokemon hidden away.
Technically Victini would count as the 650th since 1 is the starting point towards counting.
Regardless of the fact that it's #000 in the pokedex.
Quote from: Negative Vibes on March 03, 2011, 08:43:46 PM
Technically Victini would count as the 650th since 1 is the starting point towards counting.
Regardless of the fact that it's #000 in the pokedex.
Er, I'm pretty sure Victini is already counted in the 649.
Quote from: PuttyChris on March 03, 2011, 08:40:06 PM
I won't be surprised if they have one last Pokemon hidden away.
It wasn't in the coding for the Japanese games.
inb4#650isamericaonly
Quote from: Kayo on March 03, 2011, 09:03:33 PM
It wasn't in the coding for the Japanese games.
inb4#650isamericaonly
Or, you know, they have it in reserve for the eventual third game.
There will be no third installment.
It was confirmed by GF themselves.
Pokemon Gray was just a mere hoax.
Quote from: PuttyChris on March 03, 2011, 09:24:29 PM
Or, you know, they have it in reserve for the eventual third game.
I was thinking about this. They've done new forms and items, but never new Pokemon in the third games. I wonder how it would work? Maybe you'd just not be allowed to bring it into the Union Room or whatever that is now, because B/W wouldn't recognize it. I have no clue.
LOL. Guys a third won't be happening since it was pretty much already confirmed.
Also, I can't believe I posted this in the wrong thread.
http://www.nsfcd.com/index.php?topic=37222.msg589915#msg589915
Quote from: Negative Vibes on March 03, 2011, 09:44:44 PM
LOL. Guys a third won't be happening since it was pretty much already confirmed.
Prove it.
I almost always try, then I lose interest. I have yet to do it, but I doubt I ever will.
Quote from: Kayo on March 03, 2011, 10:27:52 PM
Prove it.
http://nintendo3dsblog.com/there-will-be-no-pokemon-gray
Read the entire article.
Black and White are pretty much going to be the only 5th Gen installments. Nothing more.
As stated by GameFreak themselves.
Quote from: Negative Vibes on March 03, 2011, 11:03:31 PM
http://nintendo3dsblog.com/there-will-be-no-pokemon-gray
Read the entire article.
Black and White are pretty much going to be the only 5th Gen installments. Nothing more.
As stated by GameFreak themselves.
I'd like to see where GameFreak said it, actually.
Quote from: Kayo on March 03, 2011, 11:30:55 PM
I'd like to see where GameFreak said it, actually.
Quote from Pokemon Graphic Designer Mana Ibe:QuoteHistorically, each generation games have added a third cartridge that certain developments, if Yellow / Crystal / Emerald / Platinum. Then asked a hypothetical issue "Gray" and if he would appear in 3DS. Ibe has been against the idea, saying "Not at all. We finished this comes with Black and White version."
That quote clearly means that Black and White were planned to be the only 5th Gens.
If you still don't believe it, send GF an email asking them.
I guarantee you will get the exact same answer as everyone else.
Quote from: Negative Vibes on March 03, 2011, 11:45:01 PM
Quote from Pokemon Graphic Designer Mana Ibe:
That quote clearly means that Black and White were planned to be the only 5th Gens.
If you still don't believe it, send GF an email asking them.
I guarantee you will get the exact same answer as everyone else.
They're maybe just saying that, but still. I want to see the firsthand source.
Quote from: Kayo on March 03, 2011, 11:50:55 PM
They're maybe just saying that, but still. I want to see the firsthand source.
The first link I posted is the source.
If you search google you'll find dozens of blog/article sites referring you to that one particular blog. (Including GoNintendo)
Also, Nintendo3DSBlog has been pretty much accurate on information involving 3DS and games.
But if you still don't believe it, just wait and see sometime in the future.
If you hear nothing on a Gray version it's highly likely there will never be one.
Quote from: Negative Vibes on March 04, 2011, 12:09:35 AM
The first link I posted is the source.
If you search google you'll find dozens of blog/article sites referring you to that one particular blog. (Including GoNintendo)
Also, Nintendo3DSBlog has been pretty much accurate on information involving 3DS and games.
But if you still don't believe it, just wait and see sometime in the future.
If you hear nothing on a Gray version it's highly likely there will never be one.
They make money without doing a whole lot of work. So why not? They got all the sprites and the animations, and the region.. the hard part is already done. Really, I can't see why they wouldn't.
Quote from: Kayo on March 04, 2011, 01:08:24 PM
They make money without doing a whole lot of work. So why not? They got all the sprites and the animations, and the region.. the hard part is already done. Really, I can't see why they wouldn't.
Well, if you think about it further what more could they possibly add to a 3rd version that we don't already have in B&W?
-We've got new sprites
-New items and abilities
-A Dream World special
-Area Exclusive Content (Black City and White Forest)
And much more.
I don't see what extras they could mash into a 3rd.
Quote from: Negative Vibes on March 04, 2011, 01:16:47 PM
Well, if you think about it further what more could they possibly add to a 3rd version that we don't already have in B&W?
-We've got new sprites
-New items and abilities
-A Dream World special
-Area Exclusive Content (Black City and White Forest)
And much more.
I don't see what extras they could mash into a 3rd.
Battle Frontier.
New story climax involving both Reshiram and Zekrom to a greater extent, or separate ending with Kyurem.
Battle Frontier.
Black City/White Forest makes it tough, but they could always either put both or a third exclusive area.
A new Local connection activity
More Dream World stuff
And you know. Just look back and see what they added to Crystal, Emerald, Platinum, etc. They all sold well.
Aren't Tower and Frontier almost the same thing?
Quote from: Negative Vibes on March 04, 2011, 01:40:28 PM
Aren't Tower and Frontier almost the same thing?
Hell no. Ever been in a Battle Frontier?
I miss the Emerald one ;_;
Quote from: Kayo on March 04, 2011, 01:25:34 PM
Battle Frontier.
New story climax involving both Reshiram and Zekrom to a greater extent, or separate ending with Kyurem.
Battle Frontier.
Black City/White Forest makes it tough, but they could always either put both or a third exclusive area.
A new Local connection activity
More Dream World stuff
And you know. Just look back and see what they added to Crystal, Emerald, Platinum, etc. They all sold well.
Battle Subway is almost exactly like the previous games' Battle Towers.
I personally disliked the other Battle Frontier locations in both Emerald and Platinum. Because of Caitlin, the Battle Frontier would probably need another rehaul, but she could also be part of the story that introduces you to the Frontier.
New Dream World stuff seems rather unlikely to me, because that's all server-side and it'd be difficult to make it
not retroactively affect B/W as well.
Grey could also have:
3DS features, particularly 3D itself and improved graphics. That StreetPass thing too. (Yes, battle sprites can remain 2D in steroscopic 3D. Think Paper Mario)
Improved menu system (frankly, many aspects of the B/W menus are a step back from HG/SS)
Move tutors
More triple and rotation battles, including respective modes in Battle Subway
More foreign/past Pokemon
Rematches or some other similar system
More complete Dive; underwater wild encounters.
LOL. Well it's up to you guys to believe if a third will be made or not.
Even though it was already confirmed to be rejected.
But let's journey back a bit to the announcement of DKCR.
Everyone thought K. Rool would play the role as this Country's villian, just as he was in the previous trilogy.
Remember how Retro stated in an interview: "There will be no underwater levels." "There will be no crocodiles."
Yet, most people continued to deny this fact and still assumed the Kremlings along with K. Rool would return.
A month or 2 later after its release everyone continually remained over-hyped blinded by nostalgia, played the game and beat it only to learn that they had fooled themselves into thinking a "gaming company" would lie about a game that "they" themselves designed.
Next thing you know, the people who denied the facts start hating on the product just because they were wrong about what they believed in. Saying stuff like "Blah blah blah this game sucks compared to the originals. Why did they seperate this from the trilogy!"
All in all what I posted was evident enough that a 3rd won't be made.
But like I've been saying it's up to you to choose to deny the facts or not.
Time for me to join the debate!http://bulbanews.bulbagarden.net/wiki/Masuda_downplays_%22No_third_version%22_speculation (http://bulbanews.bulbagarden.net/wiki/Masuda_downplays_%22No_third_version%22_speculation)
Quote from: bluaki on March 04, 2011, 02:58:52 PM
Battle Subway is almost exactly like the previous games' Battle Towers.
I personally disliked the other Battle Frontier locations in both Emerald and Platinum. Because of Caitlin, the Battle Frontier would probably need another rehaul, but she could also be part of the story that introduces you to the Frontier.
New Dream World stuff seems rather unlikely to me, because that's all server-side and it'd be difficult to make it not retroactively affect B/W as well.
Grey could also have:
3DS features, particularly 3D itself and improved graphics. That StreetPass thing too. (Yes, battle sprites can remain 2D in steroscopic 3D. Think Paper Mario)
Improved menu system (frankly, many aspects of the B/W menus are a step back from HG/SS)
Move tutors
More triple and rotation battles, including respective modes in Battle Subway
More foreign/past Pokemon
Rematches or some other similar system
More complete Dive; underwater wild encounters.
Right, we don't have Move Tutors or Gym Leader rematches. We need those. Move Tutors more importantly, they've been a staple to competitive battling since the second gen.
And who says that the Battle Frontier has to be the same? They reduced it from Emerald to Platinum, maybe they can expand it again. Bring back the Battle Pyramid. Shit was so hard, but I loved that. We don't need Caitlin anyway (we never even battled her, she just owned the Battle Palace).
And look, a conflicting story. Also, I seem to believe Junichi Masuda more than I believe Ibe. GOSH I WONDER WHY /sarcasm
Just look at the commercial aspects. The third game was always great. And it saved the designers from doing a lot of work, considering the map of the region was already designed and created. Sometimes they edited a few areas for the 3rd game, but nothing too major. They got all the new Pokémon, all the trainer data, everything. And, they pull a lot of money. I always buy the third games, and I always enjoy them more than the original two.
Not saying it has to be called Gray, but hey, the color would make sense. Why? Take the Tao trio. Reshiram and Zekrom are based on the concept of Yin and Yang. There's your colors, pure white and deep black. Kyurem was based on wuji, the absence of Yin and Yang, and to a further extent, absence of balance. What color do you think of? I think a dull, neutral gray covers it.
(http://archives.bulbagarden.net/media/upload/thumb/c/c3/646Kyurem.png/180px-646Kyurem.png)
Let's take a look at Kyurem. Don't call it Cyan. People say the third game will be called Cyan, and while we have no proof either way, think of this. Cyan doesn't fit at all. And look! Kyurem is definitely gray. You cyaners, did the ice throw you off? It looks gray to me. And anyone else. It's color category is even gray. Not blue.
And we can open up a whole world of story ideas. Kyurem, being an Ice-type, could be thought of not only as the absence of balance, but the absence of energy and heat (absolute zero?). Also, it is said to have come to Earth like a meteor. I can see a lot of cool things happening in the game about this. But will it get another forme? An Origin Forme, or even, a SPACE FORME? I don't know. But since I'm on a roll here, imagine that Gray's storyline takes you into SPACE? How even, I'm not sure. But if you battled Kyurem at the climax of the story on the moon or something, that would be pretty cool. Unrealistic, sure. But Platinum had us follow Giratina into a twisted world where waterfalls flow sideways and you walk on walls suspended in a void. The moon exists.
And hey, weight has an even greater impact in these games, with abilities and moves being able to alter the weight of Pokemon on the field? What happens on the moon? Less gravity. Weight is cut in half. JUST AN IDEA HERE.
Anyway, that's it for now. *sits down*