I'll settle this once and for all, hopefully... I just remembered that the Japanese version of Melee was going to be the only version to include Marth and Roy. The English version was originally not going to include them but for some reason Sakurai allowed them to be in our version. You can't advertise with just two characters since Sakurai doesn't really explain what Fire Emblem is and what it's about. We just have a couple of random anime swordsman and that's it. Also, why is everybody saying Roy is advertisement and Marth isn't. How does that work? Nobody critizises Marth so why is everybody picking on Roy. Also, if you really think he's advertisement how does that hurt is chances for Brawl if he was in the previous game. He's the main lord in Fire Emblem 6 so he has importance.
If what I'm saying doesn't change your mind make a logical reason why this isn't true.
As I recall, Roy was put into Melee to build up hype, I suppose, for his game. Marth was not put to advertise. He was the very first Lord, I think, and thus, the tiara boy holds some importance.
yeah but Marth is a big character
hes more likely to be in
btw
nice csll on the snow day
Quote from: Skye8600 on January 14, 2008, 05:03:52 AM
yeah but Marth is a big character
hes more likely to be in
btw
nice csll on the snow day
Yeah, I know.
Quote from: Triforce_Luigi on January 14, 2008, 05:03:18 AM
As I recall, Roy was put into Melee to build up hype, I suppose, for his game. Marth was not put to advertise. He was the very first Lord, I think, and thus, the tiara boy holds some importance.
We didn't know who they were when Melee came out. And why wouldn't Marth build up hype. I realize he's important and has a better chance than Roy but Roy still starrs in FE6 so he also has importance.
Quote from: Triforce_Luigi on January 14, 2008, 05:03:18 AM
As I recall, Roy was put into Melee to build up hype, I suppose, for his game. Marth was not put to advertise. He was the very first Lord, I think, and thus, the tiara boy holds some importance.
"Roy was put into Melee to build up hype" :-\remind you of how ike uilt up the hype?
Roy was put in the game to build hype for FE6, which was unreleased at the time. The origional plan for america was to take both out, since we didn't get either game, and then it was to both. The thing is, FE6 wasn't recieved very well in Japan, and still hasn't made it over here. The reason Marth never gets "picked" on is because he started FE on the NES, and was the MAIN lord in two games, also a remake of those games (or so I've heard) is being released on the DS and being brought over here as well. So Marth isn't an "ad" since his games were already released. Roy had no games of his own at the time, and frankly that was his entire purpose...to build hype for a game that didn't do a whole much. Ike isn't an ad because his games have been out before Brawl...so....yea....
Quote from: Nayrman on January 14, 2008, 02:44:16 PM
Roy was put in the game to build hype for FE6, which was unreleased at the time. The origional plan for america was to take both out, since we didn't get either game, and then it was to both. The thing is, FE6 wasn't recieved very well in Japan, and still hasn't made it over here. The reason Marth never gets "picked" on is because he started FE on the NES, and was the MAIN lord in two games, also a remake of those games (or so I've heard) is being released on the DS and being brought over here as well. So Marth isn't an "ad" since his games were already released. Roy had no games of his own at the time, and frankly that was his entire purpose...to build hype for a game that didn't do a whole much. Ike isn't an ad because his games have been out before Brawl...so....yea....
but remember, we didn't know anything about FE until Marth and roy appeared in melee.
And then, FE games started to be released in america.
so Marth was an ad. To get people wanting FE.
Quote from: Triforceman22 on January 14, 2008, 02:48:06 PM
Quote from: Nayrman on January 14, 2008, 02:44:16 PM
Roy was put in the game to build hype for FE6, which was unreleased at the time. The origional plan for america was to take both out, since we didn't get either game, and then it was to both. The thing is, FE6 wasn't recieved very well in Japan, and still hasn't made it over here. The reason Marth never gets "picked" on is because he started FE on the NES, and was the MAIN lord in two games, also a remake of those games (or so I've heard) is being released on the DS and being brought over here as well. So Marth isn't an "ad" since his games were already released. Roy had no games of his own at the time, and frankly that was his entire purpose...to build hype for a game that didn't do a whole much. Ike isn't an ad because his games have been out before Brawl...so....yea....
but remember, we didn't know anything about FE until Marth and roy appeared in melee.
And then, FE games started to be released in america.
so Marth was an ad. To get people wanting FE.
Since his games were already released...he isn't an ad.
It wasn't Nintendo's intention of using them to advertise FE. It just happened that way...
Quote from: Nayrman on January 14, 2008, 02:49:26 PM
Quote from: Triforceman22 on January 14, 2008, 02:48:06 PM
Quote from: Nayrman on January 14, 2008, 02:44:16 PM
Roy was put in the game to build hype for FE6, which was unreleased at the time. The origional plan for america was to take both out, since we didn't get either game, and then it was to both. The thing is, FE6 wasn't recieved very well in Japan, and still hasn't made it over here. The reason Marth never gets "picked" on is because he started FE on the NES, and was the MAIN lord in two games, also a remake of those games (or so I've heard) is being released on the DS and being brought over here as well. So Marth isn't an "ad" since his games were already released. Roy had no games of his own at the time, and frankly that was his entire purpose...to build hype for a game that didn't do a whole much. Ike isn't an ad because his games have been out before Brawl...so....yea....
but remember, we didn't know anything about FE until Marth and roy appeared in melee.
And then, FE games started to be released in america.
so Marth was an ad. To get people wanting FE.
Since his games were already released...he isn't an ad.
It wasn't Nintendo's intention of using them to advertise FE. It just happened that way...
sounds fishy...
people wanted to know what marth and ike came from, and when they found out, they wanted FE games.
an ad tries to make a person get the thing it is advertising. Marth advertised Fire emblem, and it worked.
I've always supported Roy, so I feel what you're think ;)
Quote from: Triforceman22 on January 14, 2008, 02:51:16 PM
Quote from: Nayrman on January 14, 2008, 02:49:26 PM
Quote from: Triforceman22 on January 14, 2008, 02:48:06 PM
Quote from: Nayrman on January 14, 2008, 02:44:16 PM
Roy was put in the game to build hype for FE6, which was unreleased at the time. The origional plan for america was to take both out, since we didn't get either game, and then it was to both. The thing is, FE6 wasn't recieved very well in Japan, and still hasn't made it over here. The reason Marth never gets "picked" on is because he started FE on the NES, and was the MAIN lord in two games, also a remake of those games (or so I've heard) is being released on the DS and being brought over here as well. So Marth isn't an "ad" since his games were already released. Roy had no games of his own at the time, and frankly that was his entire purpose...to build hype for a game that didn't do a whole much. Ike isn't an ad because his games have been out before Brawl...so....yea....
but remember, we didn't know anything about FE until Marth and roy appeared in melee.
And then, FE games started to be released in america.
so Marth was an ad. To get people wanting FE.
Since his games were already released...he isn't an ad.
It wasn't Nintendo's intention of using them to advertise FE. It just happened that way...
sounds fishy...
people wanted to know what marth and ike came from, and when they found out, they wanted FE games.
an ad tries to make a person get the thing it is advertising. Marth advertised Fire emblem, and it worked.
That wasn't the intent. The thing was that Nintendo didn't want American's to get mad off at them for leaving two characters out of the game (espeically since Marth OWNED for tournament purposes) and so one. If anything it was a PR move X_X;;
Quote from: Nayrman on January 14, 2008, 02:56:04 PM
Quote from: Triforceman22 on January 14, 2008, 02:51:16 PM
Quote from: Nayrman on January 14, 2008, 02:49:26 PM
Quote from: Triforceman22 on January 14, 2008, 02:48:06 PM
Quote from: Nayrman on January 14, 2008, 02:44:16 PM
Roy was put in the game to build hype for FE6, which was unreleased at the time. The origional plan for america was to take both out, since we didn't get either game, and then it was to both. The thing is, FE6 wasn't recieved very well in Japan, and still hasn't made it over here. The reason Marth never gets "picked" on is because he started FE on the NES, and was the MAIN lord in two games, also a remake of those games (or so I've heard) is being released on the DS and being brought over here as well. So Marth isn't an "ad" since his games were already released. Roy had no games of his own at the time, and frankly that was his entire purpose...to build hype for a game that didn't do a whole much. Ike isn't an ad because his games have been out before Brawl...so....yea....
but remember, we didn't know anything about FE until Marth and roy appeared in melee.
And then, FE games started to be released in america.
so Marth was an ad. To get people wanting FE.
Since his games were already released...he isn't an ad.
It wasn't Nintendo's intention of using them to advertise FE. It just happened that way...
sounds fishy...
people wanted to know what marth and ike came from, and when they found out, they wanted FE games.
an ad tries to make a person get the thing it is advertising. Marth advertised Fire emblem, and it worked.
That wasn't the intent. The thing was that Nintendo didn't want American's to get mad off at them for leaving two characters out of the game (espeically since Marth OWNED for tournament purposes) and so one. If anything it was a PR move X_X;;
Well, it did happen...:P
Quote from: Triforceman22 on January 14, 2008, 02:51:16 PM
Quote from: Nayrman on January 14, 2008, 02:49:26 PM
Quote from: Triforceman22 on January 14, 2008, 02:48:06 PM
Quote from: Nayrman on January 14, 2008, 02:44:16 PM
Roy was put in the game to build hype for FE6, which was unreleased at the time. The origional plan for america was to take both out, since we didn't get either game, and then it was to both. The thing is, FE6 wasn't recieved very well in Japan, and still hasn't made it over here. The reason Marth never gets "picked" on is because he started FE on the NES, and was the MAIN lord in two games, also a remake of those games (or so I've heard) is being released on the DS and being brought over here as well. So Marth isn't an "ad" since his games were already released. Roy had no games of his own at the time, and frankly that was his entire purpose...to build hype for a game that didn't do a whole much. Ike isn't an ad because his games have been out before Brawl...so....yea....
but remember, we didn't know anything about FE until Marth and roy appeared in melee.
And then, FE games started to be released in america.
so Marth was an ad. To get people wanting FE.
Since his games were already released...he isn't an ad.
It wasn't Nintendo's intention of using them to advertise FE. It just happened that way...
sounds fishy...
people wanted to know what marth and ike came from, and when they found out, they wanted FE games.
an ad tries to make a person get the thing it is advertising. Marth advertised Fire emblem, and it worked.
Correction, in a sense BOTH Marth & Roy advertised Fire Emblem, seeing as people wanted to know more about Fire Emblem. BUT Marth had his games out already and Roy didn't have any games out. So what game would the general public pick? The old, outdated one that wasn't even released outside of Japan or the NEW Fire Emblem game that's coming to America.
The logical reason I don't beleive it's true is that I have no idea what you just said ;)
Quote from: Java_Java on January 14, 2008, 02:58:53 PM
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Quote from: Nayrman on January 14, 2008, 02:44:16 PM
Roy was put in the game to build hype for FE6, which was unreleased at the time. The original plan for America was to take both out, since we didn't get either game, and then it was to both. The thing is, FE6 wasn't received very well in Japan, and still hasn't made it over here. The reason Marth never gets "picked" on is because he started FE on the NES, and was the MAIN lord in two games, also a remake of those games (or so I've heard) is being released on the DS and being brought over here as well. So Marth isn't an "ad" since his games were already released. Roy had no games of his own at the time, and frankly that was his entire purpose...to build hype for a game that didn't do a whole much. Ike isn't an ad because his games have been out before Brawl...so....yea....
but remember, we didn't know anything about FE until Marth and roy appeared in melee.
And then, FE games started to be released in america.
so Marth was an ad. To get people wanting FE.
Since his games were already released...he isn't an ad.
It wasn't Nintendo's intention of using them to advertise FE. It just happened that way...
sounds fishy...
people wanted to know what marth and ike came from, and when they found out, they wanted FE games.
an ad tries to make a person get the thing it is advertising. Marth advertised Fire emblem, and it worked.
Correction, in a sense BOTH Marth & Roy advertised Fire Emblem, seeing as people wanted to know more about Fire Emblem. BUT Marth had his games out already and Roy didn't have any games out. So what game would the general public pick? The old, outdated one that wasn't even released outside of Japan or the NEW Fire Emblem game that's coming to America.
The fact is they would HAVE to pick the old one seeing as the New one was not received well and in fact Roy was considered to SUCK! That is why we got Fire Emblem 7 over here and never 6. The fact of the matter is they were both advertising for America, but only 1 was for Japan. That was Roy. Marth on the other hand was still revered therefore he will stay in Brawl. Roy has no reason to stay in Brawl because Fire Emblem fans hate him. Yet they love Siggy. Ike is not advertising because he has 2 accepted and AWESOME 3D games out already. Not to mention the fact that he is popular and the first 3D lord and the first lord not of noble birth. He stands out in the Series. Siggy is the most popular Lord in the most popular game FE 4 therefore he deserves a spot more than Roy because he is liked, not advertisement, Sakurai likes him, and he is important to the series.
FE 6 = not released at the time of Melee
Hence, he is an advertisement for his game =/
And did you ever read the trophies?
Keep in mind, Roy has fire, and fire/explosions make kids cream themselves, thus he's more popular among the people who don't play the FE games.
Quote from: Riddler_Rob on January 14, 2008, 04:32:14 PM
Keep in mind, Roy has fire, and fire/explosions make kids cream themselves, thus he's more popular among the people who don't play the FE games.
Almost forgot teh ph1r3
Quote from: Riddler_Rob on January 14, 2008, 04:32:14 PM
Keep in mind, Roy has fire, and fire/explosions make kids cream themselves, thus he's more popular among the people who don't play the FE games.
liek zomg teh phir3z!?
Seriously, if that were the case only people with cool looking attacks would be in (so half the characters would be out for sure)
So...again...yea
Quote from: Nayrman on January 14, 2008, 04:33:57 PM
Quote from: Riddler_Rob on January 14, 2008, 04:32:14 PM
Keep in mind, Roy has fire, and fire/explosions make kids cream themselves, thus he's more popular among the people who don't play the FE games.
liek zomg teh phir3z!?
Seriously, if that were the case only people with cool looking attacks would be in (so half the characters would be out for sure)
So...again...yea
teh ph1r3 is seriously the only reason that anyone likes Roy more than Marth.
Quote from: Riddler_Rob on January 14, 2008, 04:47:29 PM
Quote from: Nayrman on January 14, 2008, 04:33:57 PM
Quote from: Riddler_Rob on January 14, 2008, 04:32:14 PM
Keep in mind, Roy has fire, and fire/explosions make kids cream themselves, thus he's more popular among the people who don't play the FE games.
liek zomg teh phir3z!?
Seriously, if that were the case only people with cool looking attacks would be in (so half the characters would be out for sure)
So...again...yea
teh ph1r3 is seriously the only reason that anyone likes Roy more than Marth.
they already killed the B charge since it takes so god darn long X_X;;
His counter is hte only better move. (lol, Oil Barrel with 3 PK Thunders + 2 Roy counters = over 300% dmg in one hit...lol)
One thing I'd like to point out. Now that Roy's game is out, there's more reason to put him in.
Quote from: RedSox on January 14, 2008, 05:03:01 PM
One thing I'd like to point out. Now that Roy's game is out, there's more reason to put him in.
His game flopped, so there is less reason.
Quote from: Hector_the_Axe on January 14, 2008, 05:26:25 PM
Quote from: RedSox on January 14, 2008, 05:03:01 PM
One thing I'd like to point out. Now that Roy's game is out, there's more reason to put him in.
His game flopped, so there is less reason.
Where do you get your information?
Quote from: RedSox on January 14, 2008, 05:41:19 PM
Quote from: Hector_the_Axe on January 14, 2008, 05:26:25 PM
Quote from: RedSox on January 14, 2008, 05:03:01 PM
One thing I'd like to point out. Now that Roy's game is out, there's more reason to put him in.
His game flopped, so there is less reason.
Where do you get your information?
Where do you get yours?
I trust the words of the old FE forum and others around the web.
Technically, every character is/was an advertisement at some point. Why do you think I bought Kirby 64? I saw Kirby in SSB64.
Quote from: Lotos on January 14, 2008, 05:46:39 PM
Technically, every character is/was an advertisement at some point. Why do you think I bought Kirby 64? I saw Kirby in SSB64.
I didn't know who Kirby, Link, Ness, Falcon, and Samus were in N64...
so I guess you're sorta right. But they already had games before their smash appearance X_X;;
Quote from: Hector_the_Axe on January 14, 2008, 05:43:55 PM
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Quote from: RedSox on January 14, 2008, 05:03:01 PM
One thing I'd like to point out. Now that Roy's game is out, there's more reason to put him in.
His game flopped, so there is less reason.
Where do you get your information?
Where do you get yours?
I trust the words of the old FE forum and others around the web.
What do you mean where do I get mine? FE6 is out. Fact.
He was an advertisement in Japan ::)
Marth was put in since he was the very first main character of the Fire Emblem series. I have no idea why Roy was in there. Maybe just to show that the series was coming to the US.
Quote from: RedSox on January 14, 2008, 05:54:21 PM
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Quote from: RedSox on January 14, 2008, 05:41:19 PM
Quote from: Hector_the_Axe on January 14, 2008, 05:26:25 PM
Quote from: RedSox on January 14, 2008, 05:03:01 PM
One thing I'd like to point out. Now that Roy's game is out, there's more reason to put him in.
His game flopped, so there is less reason.
Where do you get your information?
Where do you get yours?
I trust the words of the old FE forum and others around the web.
What do you mean where do I get mine? FE6 is out. Fact.
But since the game is out, he can't be an advertisment anymore, and he has less reason to be in.
Quote from: RedSox on January 14, 2008, 05:54:21 PM
Quote from: Hector_the_Axe on January 14, 2008, 05:43:55 PM
Quote from: RedSox on January 14, 2008, 05:41:19 PM
Quote from: Hector_the_Axe on January 14, 2008, 05:26:25 PM
Quote from: RedSox on January 14, 2008, 05:03:01 PM
One thing I'd like to point out. Now that Roy's game is out, there's more reason to put him in.
His game flopped, so there is less reason.
Where do you get your information?
Where do you get yours?
I trust the words of the old FE forum and others around the web.
What do you mean where do I get mine? FE6 is out. Fact.
Did you have any info to back up the assumed fact that FE 6 was a success?
And not to mention it should've been Sigurd in the first place instead of Roy X_X;;
Quote from: Nayrman on January 14, 2008, 06:33:44 PM
And not to mention it should've been Sigurd in the first place instead of Roy X_X;;
Sakurai wanted him for SSB64
I can only hope...
I hope he uses a lance though.
Quote from: Hector_the_Axe on January 14, 2008, 06:37:13 PM
Quote from: Nayrman on January 14, 2008, 06:33:44 PM
And not to mention it should've been Sigurd in the first place instead of Roy X_X;;
Sakurai wanted him for SSB64
I can only hope...
I hope he uses a lance though.
He wanted like, six extra guys for 64.
Lance, sword, whatever as long as he's in I'm happy. Maybe then they'll bring over FE4 like they're doing 1. I hear it's the best one, and the fact taht Sigurd's stats completely own ( I hear Ike and Sigurd are like, the two strongest lords like ever. Of course I've only played about half of PoR, so I know all about Ike!)
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Quote from: Nayrman on January 14, 2008, 06:33:44 PM
And not to mention it should've been Sigurd in the first place instead of Roy X_X;;
Sakurai wanted him for SSB64
I can only hope...
I hope he uses a lance though.
He wanted like, six extra guys for 64.
Lance, sword, whatever as long as he's in I'm happy. Maybe then they'll bring over FE4 like they're doing 1. I hear it's the best one, and the fact taht Sigurd's stats completely own ( I hear Ike and Sigurd are like, the two strongest lords like ever. Of course I've only played about half of PoR, so I know all about Ike!)
Eliwood isnt as bad as most say, especially in the Hector modes for whatever reason.
His Def caps low though.
Cant wait for FE 1, now i can get a little more background knowledge.
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Quote from: Hector_the_Axe on January 14, 2008, 06:37:13 PM
Quote from: Nayrman on January 14, 2008, 06:33:44 PM
And not to mention it should've been Sigurd in the first place instead of Roy X_X;;
Sakurai wanted him for SSB64
I can only hope...
I hope he uses a lance though.
He wanted like, six extra guys for 64.
Lance, sword, whatever as long as he's in I'm happy. Maybe then they'll bring over FE4 like they're doing 1. I hear it's the best one, and the fact taht Sigurd's stats completely own ( I hear Ike and Sigurd are like, the two strongest lords like ever. Of course I've only played about half of PoR, so I know all about Ike!)
Eliwood isnt as bad as most say, especially in the Hector modes for whatever reason.
His Def caps low though.
Cant wait for FE 1, now i can get a little more background knowledge.
It's the only DS game I'm actually looking forward too....along with Bioware's Sonic RPG. For some reason I love handheld tactics games lol.
Is it true Roy sucks in his own game? THat's what I've heard.
I know Eliwood is decent, but like I said, I've only played about half of PoR so I don't really know much about their actual gameplay styles.
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Quote from: Hector_the_Axe on January 14, 2008, 06:37:13 PM
Quote from: Nayrman on January 14, 2008, 06:33:44 PM
And not to mention it should've been Sigurd in the first place instead of Roy X_X;;
Sakurai wanted him for SSB64
I can only hope...
I hope he uses a lance though.
He wanted like, six extra guys for 64.
Lance, sword, whatever as long as he's in I'm happy. Maybe then they'll bring over FE4 like they're doing 1. I hear it's the best one, and the fact taht Sigurd's stats completely own ( I hear Ike and Sigurd are like, the two strongest lords like ever. Of course I've only played about half of PoR, so I know all about Ike!)
Eliwood isnt as bad as most say, especially in the Hector modes for whatever reason.
His Def caps low though.
Cant wait for FE 1, now i can get a little more background knowledge.
It's the only DS game I'm actually looking forward too....along with Bioware's Sonic RPG. For some reason I love handheld tactics games lol.
Is it true Roy sucks in his own game? THat's what I've heard.
I know Eliwood is decent, but like I said, I've only played about half of PoR so I don't really know much about their actual gameplay styles.
Not entirely sure.
I got FF12 revenant wings and its pretty sweet.
Its like an RTS, so i guess you could call it tactics.