...a lot of people can't. Some of my friends, when they ask what kind of a pet they have, need to lie and say they have a cat, because they can't say "perro", the Spanish word for dog.
I used to not be able to pronounce it until I started self-studying Russian and wanted to figure out how. After about a year, I finally did.
But a lot of native Russians can't. Lenin couldn't. He pronounced it with a guttural (uvular) R instead. There's also a Russian girl in my class that pronounces it that way. It sounds funny, but cute.
Yes, necessary in French, too.
Hell no. I don't even have the gene that can let me roll my tounge in that "hot dog" fashion. :( Otherwise, I'd have taken Spanish. Thank you for reminding me why I took Italian instead =)
Yeah. I've been able to for as long as I can remember.
Quote from: mackormoses on August 26, 2008, 10:01:09 PM
Yes, necessary in French, too.
Actually it's a completely different sound in French, and in some words it's not pronounced at all.
When it is pronounced, it is a guttural (uvular) trill or fricative (the uvula trills rather than the tip of the tongue).
The Spanish /r/ is alveolar, meaning it is made by trilling the tip of the tongue.
QuoteHell no. I don't even have the gene that can let me roll my tounge in that "hot dog" fashion. Otherwise, I'd have taken Spanish. Thank you for reminding me why I took Italian instead
It's not genetic - most people who say that they can't do it simply don't know how to. Why do you think that so many native English speakers struggle with the sound whereas many speakers of other languages have no problem with it (though sounds like the English "th" are great difficulty for them). Surely you don't need a gene to pronounce "th" correctly.
Also, Italian has the trill as well. It just isn't considered a separate "letter" like it is in Spanish.
Quote from: Silk on August 26, 2008, 10:10:13 PM
QuoteHell no. I don't even have the gene that can let me roll my tounge in that "hot dog" fashion. Otherwise, I'd have taken Spanish. Thank you for reminding me why I took Italian instead
It's not genetic - most people who say that they can't do it simply don't know how to. Why do you think that so many native English speakers struggle with the sound whereas many speakers of other languages have no problem with it (though sounds like the English "th" are great difficulty for them). Surely you don't need a gene to pronounce "th" correctly.
Also, Italian has the trill as well. It just isn't considered a separate "letter" like it is in Spanish.
Actually, I meant the folding part of the tounge is genetic. I wish I knew how to roll my tongue. Then I'd have taken Spanish.
Quote from: Lotos on August 26, 2008, 10:19:03 PM
Quote from: Silk on August 26, 2008, 10:10:13 PM
QuoteHell no. I don't even have the gene that can let me roll my tounge in that "hot dog" fashion. Otherwise, I'd have taken Spanish. Thank you for reminding me why I took Italian instead
It's not genetic - most people who say that they can't do it simply don't know how to. Why do you think that so many native English speakers struggle with the sound whereas many speakers of other languages have no problem with it (though sounds like the English "th" are great difficulty for them). Surely you don't need a gene to pronounce "th" correctly.
Also, Italian has the trill as well. It just isn't considered a separate "letter" like it is in Spanish.
Actually, I meant the folding part of the tounge is genetic. I wish I knew how to roll my tongue. Then I'd have taken Spanish.
Well the odd thing is that I was unable to fold my tongue into a U-shape as you mention until I "forced" myself to, much like my trilling of the rr. I think you can overcome genetics if you try hard enough.
Yes, I can.
I've no need to.
But yes.
Somewhat.
No, and somehow I went through Spanish not being able to :(
And I still can't really do that other thing you can do. I forgot how to spell it using IPA D:
Is as natural to me as breathing.
It is a part of my Puerto Rican blood.
Yo soy el pantelones de justicia!
Yes.
Yes :)
Quote from: Zovistograt on August 27, 2008, 06:03:35 AM
No, and somehow I went through Spanish not being able to :(
And I still can't really do that other thing you can do. I forgot how to spell it using IPA D:
You mean the voiced uvular implosive?
IPA = [ʛ]
X-SAMPA = [G\_<]
Quote from: TimeMage on August 27, 2008, 06:38:40 AM
Is as natural to me as breathing.
It is a part of my Puerto Rican blood.
Yo soy el pantelones de justicia!
I wish I were the pants of justice. ;_;
Quote from: Silverhawk79 on August 27, 2008, 08:57:13 AM
Quote from: TimeMage on August 27, 2008, 06:38:40 AM
Is as natural to me as breathing.
It is a part of my Puerto Rican blood.
Yo soy el pantelones de justicia!
I wish I were the pants of justice. ;_;
Everyone does, Silver.
Everyone does.
I can.
My brother can't, and just makes a D sound and sounds like a vagina cleaning devicebag lol
Quote from: TimeMage on August 27, 2008, 09:00:38 AM
Quote from: Silverhawk79 on August 27, 2008, 08:57:13 AM
Quote from: TimeMage on August 27, 2008, 06:38:40 AM
Is as natural to me as breathing.
It is a part of my Puerto Rican blood.
Yo soy el pantelones de justicia!
I wish I were the pants of justice. ;_;
Everyone does, Silver.
Everyone does.
Can I be the cufflinks of justice? =3
like many things, I can but I don't like to
Quote from: Silverhawk79 on August 27, 2008, 09:10:04 AM
Quote from: TimeMage on August 27, 2008, 09:00:38 AM
Quote from: Silverhawk79 on August 27, 2008, 08:57:13 AM
Quote from: TimeMage on August 27, 2008, 06:38:40 AM
Is as natural to me as breathing.
It is a part of my Puerto Rican blood.
Yo soy el pantelones de justicia!
I wish I were the pants of justice. ;_;
Everyone does, Silver.
Everyone does.
Can I be the cufflinks of justice? =3
The position is still open.
As is the monocle of truth and the shoelaces of level headed investment banking.
No, LOL I can't do it... :D
Well, unless I get enough Saliva in the back of my tounge...then I can do it. :P
___
Wait, you have to have a GENE to be able to roll your tounge into a hot dog like style? 0_o
I'm glad I can do it then. :D
Yes I can :O
Quote from: StarWindWizard7 on August 27, 2008, 09:35:40 AM
Wait, you have to have a GENE to be able to roll your tounge into a hot dog like style? 0_o
Really!?
That's odd...I'm the only one who can do it in my family... ????
I guess not... I'm not even sure what an "rr" sound is.
Quote from: DOODLEboy99 on August 27, 2008, 11:24:21 AM
I guess not... I'm not even sure what an "rr" sound is.
Gargle with water in your mouth.
Quote from: DOODLEboy99 on August 27, 2008, 11:24:21 AM
I guess not... I'm not even sure what an "rr" sound is.
Have you ever heard someone say "dog" in Spanish?
perro
The "rr" sounds different than just "errrrrr"
Quote from: Byte on August 27, 2008, 11:30:14 AM
Quote from: DOODLEboy99 on August 27, 2008, 11:24:21 AM
I guess not... I'm not even sure what an "rr" sound is.
Have you ever heard someone say "dog" in Spanish?
perro
The "rr" sounds different than just "errrrrr"
Oh, ok. But no, I've never heard somebody say perro. :P
Quote from: DOODLEboy99 on August 27, 2008, 11:24:21 AM
I guess not... I'm not even sure what an "rr" sound is.
it sounds like a purr~
I'm Cuban, so of course I can do it.
I don't know what I'd do if I wasn't able to. D:
Yes.
QuoteMy brother can't, and just makes a D sound and sounds like a d**chebag lol
Actually saying a d-like sound is closer to saying "rr" correctly than trying to pronounce it with the English "r".
A lot of people practice by saying words like "gotta", "better", etc.
QuoteI'm Cuban, so of course I can do it.
I thought you said you were Puerto Rican.
QuoteGargle with water in your mouth.
No, that would produce the French/German uvular R, not the alveolar trill.
QuoteWait, you have to have a GENE to be able to roll your tounge into a hot dog like style? 0_o
That's what people say, but you technically can overcome it.
Quote from: Silk on August 27, 2008, 01:20:15 PM
QuoteI'm Cuban, so of course I can do it.
I thought you said you were Puerto Rican.
No...
You're probably thinking of the person who said it on the first page.
Southern Accent + Rolling R's doesn't mix.
Never will.
And I'm taking Spanish too.... :|
Yeah, I can.
Vain dog~ In rain drop~