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Do you think Marijuana should be legalized? Or for a more correct term, decriminalized?

I do. I've never touched the stuff and never plan to, but I see alot of benefits of legalizing it.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VhvfC_GiBMU
This guy shares all my thoughts, so I don't have to post them. =O

Decriminalize it.  I agree with all the points of the video.  I've heard all of them before so it's nothing new, but they all make sense and they're all in the same video.

I'll discuss if someone wants to oppose.

Or maybe I'll oppose if nobody else wants to, because I want a conversation.

yep.  would take the strain off of legal systems, make something that never should have been illegal legal again.

yes, then we can legalise rape and murder to take even more strain off the legal system.

Quote from: extraz on September 22, 2008, 07:28:50 AM
yes, then we can legalise rape and murder to take even more strain off the legal system.

Meanwhile in Nonhyperboleland...

Marijuana is not worth the trouble we go to to curtail it.

Meth, LSD, Acid, Ecstasy, crack, Heroin, now those are drugs!  Those are a real threat.

Marijuana is the Goomba of drugs.

Quote from: TimeMage on September 22, 2008, 07:37:29 AM

Quote from: extraz on September 22, 2008, 07:28:50 AM
yes, then we can legalise rape and murder to take even more strain off the legal system.

Meanwhile in Nonhyperboleland...

Marijuana is not worth the trouble we go to to curtail it.

Meth, LSD, Acid, Ecstasy, crack, Heroin, now those are drugs!  Those are a real threat.

Marijuana is the Goomba of drugs.

I say we just mix rat poison in with every one of those drugs.  That'll take care of the problem, because all the users will die ^,^

Clearly at some point I must have taken the wrong layover because I seem to have wound up in Overkilltown.

why not!? if it's Decriminalize they will be able to control it a little better, plus it will no longer be a "forbidden fruit"

Quote from: extraz on September 22, 2008, 07:28:50 AM
yes, then we can legalise rape and murder to take even more strain off the legal system.

What a horrible argument and comparison.

I say no, but I don't feel like getting into a debate about it.

Yes and no. I also see some benefits of legalizing it, sure. But with all drugs, there are idiots who choose to abuse it.

But i'm with Java, I don't really feel like getting into a debate over it.

Yes, we should. We should also legalize Drinking and Driving, Smoking in a small space with children, and allow someone to commit suicide, shouldn't we?
There IS a reason it's illegal, you know. How does "Feeling like you want to fly, and instead fall face first into the ground" sound like to you?

Quote from: Java_Java on September 22, 2008, 01:49:19 PM
I don't feel like getting into a debate about it.

Well, nobody is defending saying no, so I'll bring up a point.

Heres the problems with legalizing marijuana.

1.  People always want to push things a step further.  It is just human nature to push your limits until you're told not to go any further, then you start back over and see how far you can go next time.  It's a very childish thing, but that's what people do.

2.  Marijuana is a transition drug.  Basically, a lot of people start with tobacco or alcohol.  Eventually, they try out Marijuana, and transition into something else quickly.  Once marijuana is legalized, there will probably be a lot more people transitioning to something else.  All of the people I know that have done any drugs have smoked marijuana first.  Every one of them did it while they were smoking marijuana (not literally while smoking it, but while they were doing it often).

3.  Although Marijuana may not cause a physical dependency, a mental dependency is still produced through overfilling the body with THC from an outside source.  Once THC has been introduced too many times to the body, the body will stop naturally producing it.  The same thing goes for the depressants (I forgot what they're called) that alcohol creates, hence why many alcoholics are very unstable, especially when they're not drinking.  People addicted to tobacco get jittery when they have withdrawals, because it also creates a calming substance.

Well, responses?

Quote from: JudgementBoyGold on September 22, 2008, 02:56:26 PM
Yes, we should. We should also legalize Drinking and Driving, Smoking in a small space with children, and allow someone to commit suicide, shouldn't we?
There IS a reason it's illegal, you know. How does "Feeling like you want to fly, and instead fall face first into the ground" sound like to you?

Quote from: Java_Java on September 22, 2008, 01:49:19 PM
I don't feel like getting into a debate about it.

then why is alcohol legal?  this is what doesn't make any sense.  alcohol has much more adverse long term effects, and debateably short term effects as well.  you can't OD and die on marijuana.  you'll fall off that railing just as easily if you're drunk, perhaps easier.

Quote from: JudgementBoyGold on September 22, 2008, 02:56:26 PM
Yes, we should. We should also legalize Drinking and Driving, Smoking in a small space with children, and allow someone to commit suicide, shouldn't we?
There IS a reason it's illegal, you know. How does "Feeling like you want to fly, and instead fall face first into the ground" sound like to you?

Quote from: Java_Java on September 22, 2008, 01:49:19 PM
I don't feel like getting into a debate about it.

I'm sorry, but you're just being ignorant about it.

Drinking and driving affect other people.

Smoking in a small space with children is legal anyways.  Second hand smoke is okay as long as you know the people you're giving it to <3

Legalizing suicide would be a great idea I think.  We'd get rid of all those irresponsible people that want out of life the easy way.  Anyways, good luck throwing someone in jail for killing him/herself.

Quote from: ninja on September 22, 2008, 03:19:01 PM

Quote from: JudgementBoyGold on September 22, 2008, 02:56:26 PM
Yes, we should. We should also legalize Drinking and Driving, Smoking in a small space with children, and allow someone to commit suicide, shouldn't we?
There IS a reason it's illegal, you know. How does "Feeling like you want to fly, and instead fall face first into the ground" sound like to you?

Quote from: Java_Java on September 22, 2008, 01:49:19 PM
I don't feel like getting into a debate about it.

I'm sorry, but you're just being ignorant about it.

Drinking and driving affect other people.

Smoking in a small space with children is legal anyways.  Second hand smoke is okay as long as you know the people you're giving it to <3

Legalizing suicide would be a great idea I think.  We'd get rid of all those irresponsible people that want out of life the easy way.  Anyways, good luck throwing someone in jail for killing him/herself.

In Canada, It's illegal. You Americans are mental for doing that >_<

Quote from: JudgementBoyGold on September 22, 2008, 03:33:08 PM

Quote from: ninja on September 22, 2008, 03:19:01 PM

Quote from: JudgementBoyGold on September 22, 2008, 02:56:26 PM
Yes, we should. We should also legalize Drinking and Driving, Smoking in a small space with children, and allow someone to commit suicide, shouldn't we?
There IS a reason it's illegal, you know. How does "Feeling like you want to fly, and instead fall face first into the ground" sound like to you?

Quote from: Java_Java on September 22, 2008, 01:49:19 PM
I don't feel like getting into a debate about it.

I'm sorry, but you're just being ignorant about it.

Drinking and driving affect other people.

Smoking in a small space with children is legal anyways.  Second hand smoke is okay as long as you know the people you're giving it to <3

Legalizing suicide would be a great idea I think.  We'd get rid of all those irresponsible people that want out of life the easy way.  Anyways, good luck throwing someone in jail for killing him/herself.

In Canada, It's illegal. You Americans are mental for doing that >_<

The SMART cities make smoking in public illegal.

It's weird, the cities that have done that barely have any bars or restaurants.

Quote from: Tuppyluver1 on September 22, 2008, 03:37:43 PM

Quote from: JudgementBoyGold on September 22, 2008, 03:33:08 PM

Quote from: ninja on September 22, 2008, 03:19:01 PM

Quote from: JudgementBoyGold on September 22, 2008, 02:56:26 PM
Yes, we should. We should also legalize Drinking and Driving, Smoking in a small space with children, and allow someone to commit suicide, shouldn't we?
There IS a reason it's illegal, you know. How does "Feeling like you want to fly, and instead fall face first into the ground" sound like to you?

Quote from: Java_Java on September 22, 2008, 01:49:19 PM
I don't feel like getting into a debate about it.

I'm sorry, but you're just being ignorant about it.

Drinking and driving affect other people.

Smoking in a small space with children is legal anyways.  Second hand smoke is okay as long as you know the people you're giving it to <3

Legalizing suicide would be a great idea I think.  We'd get rid of all those irresponsible people that want out of life the easy way.  Anyways, good luck throwing someone in jail for killing him/herself.

In Canada, It's illegal. You Americans are mental for doing that >_<

The SMART cities make smoking in public illegal.

It's weird, the cities that have done that barely have any bars or restaurants.

It's illegal to smoke in restaurants over here.
I think it's still legal to smoke in public.

That reminds me of the time I went to South Carolina when we accidentally sat in the smoking section of a restaurant.
Not a very pleasant experience.

Our founding fathers made it abundantly clear that you should be able to do what you please with your own body. It is not the government's job to protect us from ourselves.

Up untill the early 1900's, you could actually order heroin and many other drugs from catalogs. Completely legally. It would be delivered to you in a small paper bag complete with a syringe, tournequet, and a little bag of smack. In 1915 or so they started passing laws to regulate the sale of opiates, and those regulations eventually grew into laws.

Just like we lost the war against alcohol during prohibition, we are losing this "war on drugs." We're filling our already overcrowded prisons with people who were only harming themselves. 1%, an entire percentage point of our populace is in prison, and mostly for drug related crimes. This is intercourse ing ridiculous. The way I see it, drug addiction should be treated as a disease, not as a crime. I think we should take these people out of prison, put them in rehab, and invest in social programs so that children are less likely to grow up into addicts.

Marijuana is probably the least harmful illegal drug. I think we should legalize it and sell packs of pre-rolled joints alongside cigarettes and alcohol.

There almost no bad side-affects to pure marijuana, except for addiction, which isn't really that bad since, again, there are few side-affects. Honestly, it's way better for you than what is currently legal to smoke, so it makes no since to keep it illegal. Most ill hallucinatory effects from marijuana come from lacing it with other substances, so the "I CAN FLY" effect is unrelated. I think it should be legalized under the some of the same general laws as alcohol and cigarettes.

Quote from: JudgementBoyGold on September 22, 2008, 02:56:26 PM
Yes, we should. We should also legalize Drinking and Driving, Smoking in a small space with children, and allow someone to commit suicide, shouldn't we?
There IS a reason it's illegal, you know. How does "Feeling like you want to fly, and instead fall face first into the ground" sound like to you?

Quote from: Java_Java on September 22, 2008, 01:49:19 PM
I don't feel like getting into a debate about it.

Legalizing suicide...yes...let's lock up suiciders in jail.

Actually...that could be interesting.

As soon as I saw the question I pressed no, but after watching the video I changed my mind, it makes perfect sense.

Quote from: Marth Xero on September 25, 2008, 05:39:57 PM
As soon as I saw the question I pressed no, but after watching the video I changed my mind, it makes perfect sense.

I think the guy in the video might be on something himself... :P

Quote from: Phaze on September 25, 2008, 05:59:20 PM

Quote from: Marth Xero on September 25, 2008, 05:39:57 PM
As soon as I saw the question I pressed no, but after watching the video I changed my mind, it makes perfect sense.

I think the guy in the video might be on something himself... :P

I wonder if he's wearing a green shirt on purpose.  :P

Also, I don't really get the statement "I think Marijuana should be legal, but I would never try it".
If it wasn't bad for you, then what's stopping you from trying it?
Anyone wanna clarify that statement? I'm not really looking for a debate, because I'm terrible at debating, but I just wanna figure out why people use that "argument".

"I think Marijuana should be legal, but I would never try it" Says nothing about it being not bad for you. It says they wouldn't use it, even if legal.

There are people over 21 who doesn't smoke/chew tobacco or drink alcohol.

Quote from: Java_Java on September 25, 2008, 06:51:57 PM

Quote from: Phaze on September 25, 2008, 05:59:20 PM

Quote from: Marth Xero on September 25, 2008, 05:39:57 PM
As soon as I saw the question I pressed no, but after watching the video I changed my mind, it makes perfect sense.

I think the guy in the video might be on something himself... :P

I wonder if he's wearing a green shirt on purpose.  :P

Also, I don't really get the statement "I think Marijuana should be legal, but I would never try it".
If it wasn't bad for you, then what's stopping you from trying it?
Anyone wanna clarify that statement? I'm not really looking for a debate, because I'm terrible at debating, but I just wanna figure out why people use that "argument".

I think gay marriage should be legal, but I'll never try it.

That's an ass-backwards point to bring up, sorry.

We believe that those who want to do it should have the right to, even though it's not my cup of tea.  One big thing about maturity is realizing that there are people in this world besides you.

I think the drinking age should be lowered to 18, but do I drink?  No, and would I?  Doubt it.  I stopped drinking a few months ago.

I think abortion should be legal.  Have I tried it?  No.  Do I plan on it?  No, I'll pull out even with a condom on.

Plain and simple, there are other people besides me in this world, and I have to consider them also.

Quote from: Java_Java on September 25, 2008, 06:51:57 PM
Also, I don't really get the statement "I think Marijuana should be legal, but I would never try it".
If it wasn't bad for you, then what's stopping you from trying it?
Anyone wanna clarify that statement? I'm not really looking for a debate, because I'm terrible at debating, but I just wanna figure out why people use that "argument".

Well, the truth is, it is bad for you. Not as bad for you as alcohol, but it's absolutely bad for you. Even so, is it the government's job to protect us from our own choices? I don't think so. If I'm only hurting myself, I should be able to do whatever I want.

Quote from: Tuppyluver1 on September 22, 2008, 03:37:43 PM

Quote from: JudgementBoyGold on September 22, 2008, 03:33:08 PM

Quote from: ninja on September 22, 2008, 03:19:01 PM

Quote from: JudgementBoyGold on September 22, 2008, 02:56:26 PM
Yes, we should. We should also legalize Drinking and Driving, Smoking in a small space with children, and allow someone to commit suicide, shouldn't we?
There IS a reason it's illegal, you know. How does "Feeling like you want to fly, and instead fall face first into the ground" sound like to you?

Quote from: Java_Java on September 22, 2008, 01:49:19 PM
I don't feel like getting into a debate about it.

I'm sorry, but you're just being ignorant about it.

Drinking and driving affect other people.

Smoking in a small space with children is legal anyways.  Second hand smoke is okay as long as you know the people you're giving it to <3

Legalizing suicide would be a great idea I think.  We'd get rid of all those irresponsible people that want out of life the easy way.  Anyways, good luck throwing someone in jail for killing him/herself.

In Canada, It's illegal. You Americans are mental for doing that >_<

The SMART cities make smoking in public illegal.

It's weird, the cities that have done that barely have any bars or restaurants.

My city is huge and we have no smoking in any restaurant or bar, although I'm not sure about public smoking in general.

Quote from: Beatnik on September 26, 2008, 09:13:48 AM

Quote from: Java_Java on September 25, 2008, 06:51:57 PM
Also, I don't really get the statement "I think Marijuana should be legal, but I would never try it".
If it wasn't bad for you, then what's stopping you from trying it?
Anyone wanna clarify that statement? I'm not really looking for a debate, because I'm terrible at debating, but I just wanna figure out why people use that "argument".

Well, the truth is, it is bad for you. Not as bad for you as alcohol, but it's absolutely bad for you. Even so, is it the government's job to protect us from our own choices? I don't think so. If I'm only hurting myself, I should be able to do whatever I want.

Its only danger is hurting yourself when your high really.
Being high and driving for instance.

If I remember correctly, marijuana is not linked to cancer and does not cause black lung disease (or any other lung disease).

Quote from: HTA on September 28, 2008, 09:03:17 AM

Quote from: Beatnik on September 26, 2008, 09:13:48 AM

Quote from: Java_Java on September 25, 2008, 06:51:57 PM
Also, I don't really get the statement "I think Marijuana should be legal, but I would never try it".
If it wasn't bad for you, then what's stopping you from trying it?
Anyone wanna clarify that statement? I'm not really looking for a debate, because I'm terrible at debating, but I just wanna figure out why people use that "argument".

Well, the truth is, it is bad for you. Not as bad for you as alcohol, but it's absolutely bad for you. Even so, is it the government's job to protect us from our own choices? I don't think so. If I'm only hurting myself, I should be able to do whatever I want.

Its only danger is hurting yourself when your high really.
Being high and driving for instance.

If I remember correctly, marijuana is not linked to cancer and does not cause black lung disease (or any other lung disease).

Actually, if you've noticed, the only ones that get seriously injured in DUI/DWI accidents are the ones who aren't on something.  Plain and simple, it's better to let your body rag-doll and go with whatever happens when you're in an accident, and that just comes natural for them... and me, hahaha.  I loosen everything up when I see a car about to hit me, it's not like getting tense will do me any good anyways.

So what's your point, Kellen? That everybody should be high all the time so they don't get hurt by intoxicated drivers?

Quote from: Beatnik on September 28, 2008, 09:39:57 AM
So what's your point, Kellen? That everybody should be high all the time so they don't get hurt by intoxicated drivers?

FINALLY, someone understands me.

No...If they legalize it all my friends will be like sweet. Now I can smoke weed and not have to make a stupid excuse about it.
Dumbass#1:Did you know smoking pot helps your back?
Me:          No so you have back problems?
Dumbass#1: No.
Me:             Then why do you smoke it?
Dumbass#1:Cause it helps your back and weed does a lot of good things.
Dumbass#2: Your just a vagina-y for not smoking weed.
[spoiler]see most pot heads will argue on how much weed helps people even tough they don't need the help.[/spoiler]

Phatyo, the problem there isn't weed. It's stupid friends.

As petenik said, the problem isn't with the weed, it's with your friends.

I say yes.

How often have you heard of people dying from Marijuana?
And with all the trouble people go through to catch the users...it's definitely not worth it.

They're not hurting anybody...It should be a person's choice, just like smoking cigarettes.

and phatyo - if they legalized it i'm pretty sure they'd set an appropriate age for it, probably 21, considering It's very similar to alcohol.
and if your friends are 21 and still think things like that, then they're already lost causes...
and I do believe that it should have all the same laws as Alcohol, considering it's a hallucinogen, and can affect your judgement. Such as with driving.

But then they'd have to think of something that can test if you are high, kinda of like with alcohol...but who knows what they could think of.

Quote from: Beatnik on September 28, 2008, 02:02:32 PM
Phatyo, the problem there isn't weed. It's stupid friends.

Yes thats true. But even that all my smart friends will start puffing and passing just cause it will be legal. =/ Then there 3.5 GPA+ will go down and the only dumb intercourse  who will go to college will be me D:!!!!!

Quote from: Lotos on September 30, 2008, 12:00:52 PM

Quote from: Beatnik on September 28, 2008, 02:02:32 PM
Phatyo, the problem there isn't weed. It's stupid friends.

It's fun trying to watch them pass it off as "not addicting".

That's because it isn't.
It's the one drug that isn't addicting.

Quote from: Ron on September 30, 2008, 01:16:44 PM

Quote from: Lotos on September 30, 2008, 12:00:52 PM

Quote from: Beatnik on September 28, 2008, 02:02:32 PM
Phatyo, the problem there isn't weed. It's stupid friends.

It's fun trying to watch them pass it off as "not addicting".

That's because it isn't.
It's the one drug that isn't addicting.

It's not PHYSICALLY addicting.

However, mental addictions can occur with anything