Why do Mods here and on NS2 lock threads because they simply do not like them? I have never seen such a thing on other forums. Is this something that happened frequently on Nsider?
We don't really need 3 different threads on Canada, on the front page.
Okay, you live there. We get it. Let's talk about something else.
Because new age Mods are corrupt. And it sucks.
Mods are corrupt!
Because there were too many threads about Canada.
I don't agree with this practice either.
I personally like it when a thread is derailed even. It's always more fun to be in a train when it's going into uncharted territory.
Quote from: Zovistograt on October 15, 2008, 06:53:21 PM
I don't agree with this practice either.
I personally like it when a thread is derailed even. It's always more fun to be in a train when it's going into uncharted territory.
*cues 4chan PARTY TRAIN!!!!!*
It's fun to leave a thread derailed instead of locking it and saying, "Let's keep it game related guys."
Quote from: Riosan on October 15, 2008, 06:33:43 PM
We don't really need 3 different threads on Canada, on the front page.
Okay, you live there. We get it. Let's talk about something else.
So because the guy I was talking about was Canadian and not American, it's suddenly a bad thing?
...Corrupt AND Stereotypical.
Quote from: Zovistograt on October 15, 2008, 06:53:21 PM
I don't agree with this practice either.
I personally like it when a thread is derailed even. It's always more fun to be in a train when it's going into uncharted territory.
Straight into another oncoming train.
As far as I see it....
As long as the Canadian threads (of course not being racist or anything)
has Nothing to do with one another, it's ok to have a lot of threads about said Country.
Nothing in the rules says other wise.
Now if all the threads were talking about.... the election or different aspects of the same/similar subject then all right, it needs to be locked.
*And trust me when I say that I'm probably the Least Corrupt.
Quote from: StarWindWizard7 on October 15, 2008, 07:37:08 PM
As far as I see it....
As long as the Canadian threads (of course not being racist or anything)
has Nothing to do with one another, it's ok to have a lot of threads about said Country.
Nothing in the rules says other wise.
Now if all the threads were talking about.... the election or different aspects of the same/similar subject then all right, it needs to be locked.
*And trust me when I say that I'm probably the Least Corrupt.
Yeah, but you're gay.
Seriously, though, if the threads don't go against any rules, there is no good reason for them to be locked.
Quote from: SUPERKOOL on October 15, 2008, 07:45:51 PM
Quote from: StarWindWizard7 on October 15, 2008, 07:37:08 PM
As far as I see it....
As long as the Canadian threads (of course not being racist or anything)
has Nothing to do with one another, it's ok to have a lot of threads about said Country.
Nothing in the rules says other wise.
Now if all the threads were talking about.... the election or different aspects of the same/similar subject then all right, it needs to be locked.
*And trust me when I say that I'm probably the Least Corrupt.
Yeah, but you're gay.
Seriously, though, if the threads don't go against any rules, there is no good reason for them to be locked.
It was one locked thread. It's not a huge deal.
I was perfectly content with Riosan's locking.
Quote from: Java_Java on October 15, 2008, 08:12:38 PM
I was perfectly content with Riosan's locking.
4 threads about Canada is alot? >_>
With great respect to Dill,
I'll lock this thread to hopefully avoid a conflict between countries.
Quote from: SUPERKOOL on October 15, 2008, 07:45:51 PM
Seriously, though, if the threads don't go against any rules, there is no good reason for them to be locked.
Relax, mang. It's one thread, it's not the end of the world.
I'm told that everyone here thinks that this thread was made because I think Roisan is a useless waste of a rank and may as well be replaced with a baby wearing a "NO U" bib and holding a lock button, and this seemed like a nice time to take a stab at him. This is most honestly not the case. I made this thread because I find it to be a legitimate question, and I knew that only members here could answer it. Nobody has yet to even attempt to answer it with anything more than," They are corrupt."
Some more examples, since Roy's is too biased to touch: on Nsider2, I made a thread which over the course of an hour became a musical. It was locked because the moderator of the board grew tired of the entertainment. Obviously, this thread was much better than all others of the board, most of which this moderator posted in. Another example would be Silver once locked a thread Trace and myself (and others) were posting in. His reason, if I recall, was that he grew tired of the same, brilliant joke being said in succession.
None of these threads broke any rules stated. And, as I've said many times before, these same beautiful people whom I show nothing but the upmost respect for are very easily shining their own hypocrisy by condoning the creation of threads which are much less entertaining than my own, some of which even breaking rules.
So I ask again: in general, and with no specific relation to Roisan's idiocy, why does this happen?
Quote from: Dill on October 16, 2008, 05:39:21 PM
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Just fyi, I don't mod to impress you.
But thanks for being concerned. I'll send you a nice Thanksgiving gift.
I think that mods in general cannot be entirely impartial and do have opinions, and sadly, that opinion is usually that the mod is superior to the non-mod.
If you think about it, only people who think mods should be superior to regular users would even WANT to be a mod in the first place; others would see it only as an annoying job.
Quote from: Riosan on October 16, 2008, 05:54:50 PM
Quote from: Dill on October 16, 2008, 05:39:21 PM
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Just fyi, I don't mod to impress you.
I have trouble understanding why you shouldn't be. Apparently people are confused that once they do become a mod, it's a free ride, and you have to be
really bad at it for people to notice. I suppose that's something you can learn from Nsider, too.
Golly, you guys sure did come from the garbage can of social networking.
As Zovi said, staff are biased, regardless. It's a sad fact, but we can't deny it.
Touching on the free ride thing, though, I see that as real too. But that is a story for another day.
Simply, I don't think it is isolated to NSider, I feel it is life in general. Whether we like it or not, there's also going to be opinion, and it is a quirk that does indeed make life interesting.
Quote from: Zovistograt on October 16, 2008, 05:59:04 PM
If you think about it, only people who think mods should be superior to regular users would even WANT to be a mod in the first place; others would see it only as an annoying job.
I was asked to be a mod by Silver when NSF was first created, that's how I got my jorb.
At times, yes, it's annoying, and I hate doing it. At different times, I enjoy the ability to lock threads and ban users when no one else will.
Quote from: Riosan on October 16, 2008, 06:05:44 PM
Quote from: Zovistograt on October 16, 2008, 05:59:04 PM
If you think about it, only people who think mods should be superior to regular users would even WANT to be a mod in the first place; others would see it only as an annoying job.
I was asked to be a mod by Silver when NSF was first created, that's how I got my jorb.
At times, yes, it's annoying, and I hate doing it. At different times, I enjoy the ability to lock threads and ban users when no one else will.
Sometimes being a hipster is not always the best decision. There's a reason why your best friends don't
actually jump off of a cliff.
Quote from: Riosan on October 16, 2008, 06:05:44 PM
Quote from: Zovistograt on October 16, 2008, 05:59:04 PM
If you think about it, only people who think mods should be superior to regular users would even WANT to be a mod in the first place; others would see it only as an annoying job.
I was asked to be a mod by Silver when NSF was first created, that's how I got my jorb.
At times, yes, it's annoying, and I hate doing it. At different times, I enjoy the ability to lock threads and ban users when no one else will.
mmhmmm but you still made the choice to accept the position.
And perhaps there is sometimes good reason why "no one else will." I move that staff should have checks and balances so that the interests of one person are canceled with the others to possibly create less bias overall.
Quote from: Zovistograt on October 16, 2008, 06:16:29 PM
mmhmmm but you still made the choice to accept the position.
This is true.
Quote from: Zovistograt on October 16, 2008, 06:16:29 PM
I move that staff should have checks and balances so that the interests of one person are canceled with the others to possibly create less bias overall.
Personally, I like the forum the way it is, where one mod can make a decision without having to consult everyone else on what their specific thoughts are. Yes, your idea sounds good in theory, but in practice, there's always going to be bias, and there's nothing to prevent bias.
Quote from: Dill on October 16, 2008, 05:39:21 PMAnother example would be Silver once locked a thread Trace and myself (and others) were posting in. His reason, if I recall, was that he grew tired of the same, brilliant joke being said in succession.
I don't recall this particular thread.
You have the power to unlock threads, so to be honest, unlock it and give a reason why you feel that it should be unlocked. Instead of having to ask others what reasons or why they lock the threads they do. Like others have said in this thread, it is in interest of the person who feels the need to lock or unlock the thread.
Quote from: `Matt` on October 16, 2008, 06:48:08 PM
You have the power to unlock threads, so to be honest, unlock it and give a reason why you feel that it should be unlocked. Instead of having to ask others what reasons or why they lock the threads they do. Like others have said in this thread, it is in interest of the person who feels the need to lock or unlock the thread.
He has made it clear that his point is all post NSider sites. He doesn't have power at NS2, for instance, thus, that statement applies only to the NSFCD part of his issue.
Hrm, I can really see it now. Riosan is obviously a bulldozer. And Silver his steamroller lackey. It all makes sense.
I can completely understand where Dill is coming from (post-Wagnerian Germany as of late) and he has a valid point. And even though your defense may be your bias, that still doesn't completely answer the question at hand. One thread over the other - no rules broken and both threads legitimate thoughts - can be tolerable of bias, and it will happen. However the fact that some threads stay open with rules broken, incomplete thoughts (and metaphors) and flat out tomfoolery over other threads that may not be to the moderator's liking but are legitimate threads is outright disgusting.
Quote from: Moriarty on October 16, 2008, 09:36:08 PM
Hrm, I can really see it now. Riosan is obviously a bulldozer. And Silver his steamroller lackey. It all makes sense.
Heh. I can always get a good laugh out of your posts.
Oh, and that's a good thing, BTW
Quote from: Moriarty on October 16, 2008, 09:36:08 PM
One thread over the other - no rules broken and both threads legitimate thoughts - can be tolerable of bias, and it will happen. However the fact that some threads stay open with rules broken, incomplete thoughts (and metaphors) and flat out tomfoolery over other threads that may not be to the moderator's liking but are legitimate threads is outright disgusting.
If we have 2-3 threads on the front page of the most active board about Canada, there's little reason to make a fourth topic when he could just as easily make a new post in one of the already posted topics.
Let's try not to clutter up the front page, shall we.
Quote from: Riosan on October 17, 2008, 01:01:14 PM
Quote from: Moriarty on October 16, 2008, 09:36:08 PM
One thread over the other - no rules broken and both threads legitimate thoughts - can be tolerable of bias, and it will happen. However the fact that some threads stay open with rules broken, incomplete thoughts (and metaphors) and flat out tomfoolery over other threads that may not be to the moderator's liking but are legitimate threads is outright disgusting.
If we have 2-3 threads on the front page of the most active board about Canada, there's little reason to make a fourth topic when he could just as easily make a new post in one of the already posted topics.
Let's try not to clutter up the front page, shall we.
" We just had the Canadian elections!"
" Did you know a Canadian man beat down a
bear?"
Then another mod may have locked it because of spamming.
QuoteYou have the power to unlock threads, so to be honest, unlock it and give a reason why you feel that it should be unlocked. Instead of having to ask others what reasons or why they lock the threads they do. Like others have said in this thread, it is in interest of the person who feels the need to lock or unlock the thread.
It's odd that you read the posts of those whom preemptively agreed with you, yet neglected the post I had just recently made, clarifying that I wasn't just using this forum, where I am most obviously of power, as an example.
You also do not notice that I just did what you suggested, in that this thread was once locked, but I won't hold that against you. It would take quite an observant rascal to catch such a detail.
To Silver: once again, you are failing to understand my point.
If you want to protect your reputation, I can show you the thread and you can defend your decision to lock it.(Totla deleted this said thread when he thought he was smart enough to usurp the Hall of Fame board (I recall searching for this thread with Vaatix long ago)) I'm not asking you to get on your knees and, for the sake of the well being of this beautiful land, beg for forgiveness. I'm asking the true root of the problem, which isn't "Why did you lock my witty thread?", it is simply (and I shall put this in bold letters so those members who do not like reading big posts will be able to understand):
" Why do mods (from the background of Nsider) feel the need to lock threads they don't like, regardless of whether or not it has broken a rule?"This isn't surprising, quite sadly, that you're too touchy about any criticism to actually read my posts thoroughly.
Quote from: Dill on October 17, 2008, 04:21:29 PM
" Why do mods (from the background of Nsider) feel the need to lock threads they don't like, regardless of whether or not it has broken a rule?"
Probably because the power gets to them, and because the rules are more lax on these types of forums. So they have to rely more on there judgment or mood even when they lock something.
Also most mods on these Nsider replacement/spin-off forums have either just entered adulthood or still aren't there yet. So most of them will be will be less mature or less professional because of that and let there feelings toward certain subjects or users become more of a deciding factor than it should when they choose to lock/delete something. Of course that's not to say that some adults wouldn't be like this or that everybody our age is like this.
Quote from: Riosan on October 17, 2008, 01:01:14 PM
Quote from: Moriarty on October 16, 2008, 09:36:08 PM
One thread over the other - no rules broken and both threads legitimate thoughts - can be tolerable of bias, and it will happen. However the fact that some threads stay open with rules broken, incomplete thoughts (and metaphors) and flat out tomfoolery over other threads that may not be to the moderator's liking but are legitimate threads is outright disgusting.
If we have 2-3 threads on the front page of the most active board about Canada, there's little reason to make a fourth topic when he could just as easily make a new post in one of the already posted topics.
Let's try not to clutter up the front page, shall we.
But Something about a Bear beatdown has NOTHING to do with the elections.
Oh, and Dill, could you kindly unlock the bear thread? It still can be discussed.
Quote from: JudgementBoyGold on October 17, 2008, 05:04:33 PM
Oh, and Dill, could you kindly unlock the bear thread? It still can be discussed.
Here's an idea. If you really feel the need for it to be discussed, instead of requesting an unlock, let's post it in one of the two chat threads.
Quote from: Riosan on October 17, 2008, 05:39:37 PM
Quote from: JudgementBoyGold on October 17, 2008, 05:04:33 PM
Oh, and Dill, could you kindly unlock the bear thread? It still can be discussed.
Here's an idea. If you really feel the need for it to be discussed, instead of requesting an unlock, let's post it in one of the two chat threads.
Are you kidding me? If I posted it there, it would be engulfed by the unintelligent posts of NSFCD.
Quote from: Riosan on October 17, 2008, 05:39:37 PM
Quote from: JudgementBoyGold on October 17, 2008, 05:04:33 PM
Oh, and Dill, could you kindly unlock the bear thread? It still can be discussed.
Here's an idea. If you really feel the need for it to be discussed, instead of requesting an unlock, let's post it in one of the two chat threads.
Looking at this:
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Monthly Summary New Topics New Posts New Members Most Online Page views
October 2008 153 3806 6 33 103567
September 2008 401 10426 18 59 226599
August 2008 679 15512 54 60 291017
July 2008 979 20291 39 60 399594
The last thing I would be worried about would be new threads. Hell, if someone created 400 threads on the evilness of bears and how to protect yourself from them, I'd be grateful.
And I would still like to see mod(s) actually read Dill's post and answer it. I'd also like to have some words with Juni, but that's another matter entirely...or maybe it isn't. Maybe some mods here aren't that different.
Quote from: JudgementBoyGold on October 17, 2008, 05:48:11 PM
Are you kidding me? If I posted it there, it would be engulfed by the unintelligent posts of NSFCD.
We all have to make sacrifices, my boy.
Quote from: Moriarty on October 17, 2008, 06:14:18 PM
And I would still like to see mod(s) actually read Dill's post and answer it.
I really don't see the relevance in actually responding to Dill's posts anymore; all he does is bash me about how I do my job, and point out hypocrisy in anything I do. Why waste my energy responding to him when I can practically figure out his responses word for word?
QuoteWe all have to make sacrifices, my boy.
That's a terribly poor excuse for " I haven't thought of anything smart to say yet, so instead of responding to Dill's posts, as well as the meat of Trace's posts, I'll just respond to the easy posts with melodramatic phrases from a hat, and maybe cut up and mix around Trace's posts to make it look like I ate my vegetables"
QuoteI really don't see the relevance in actually responding to Dill's posts anymore; all he does is bash me about how I do my job, and point out hypocrisy in anything I do. Why waste my energy responding to him when I can practically figure out his responses word for word?
I've been repeating myself because you've yet to respond to me with anything more than excuses. This is the second time I've had a conversation with an NSF member, where I had to explain to them that discussion required two participants. Asking me to debate this situation without you explaining anything along the way is like asking a turkey to cook itself.
Quote from: Riosan on October 17, 2008, 07:10:04 PM
all he does is bash me about how I do my job, and point out hypocrisy in anything I do.
Quote from: Dill on October 17, 2008, 11:10:06 PM
That's a terribly poor excuse for " I haven't thought of anything smart to say yet, so instead of responding to Dill's posts, as well as the meat of Trace's posts, I'll just respond to the easy posts with melodramatic phrases from a hat, and maybe cut up and mix around Trace's posts to make it look like I ate my vegetables"
Quote from: Dill on October 17, 2008, 11:10:06 PM
This is the second time I've had a conversation with an NSF member, where I had to explain to them that discussion required two participants.
Hit that one right on the bullseye.
Thanks for playing, Dill, here's your complimentary prize.
Trace, I would have to point out to you how dauntingly similar this discussion is to the one we had with Juni. I am interested to see what these two would do if put together. Would it be like Batman vs. Superman, except less colourful and with more cheesy dialogue?
Quote from: Dill on October 18, 2008, 09:11:14 PM
Trace, I would have to point out to you how dauntingly similar this discussion is to the one we had with Juni. I am interested to see what these two would do if put together. Would it be like Batman vs. Superman, except less colourful and with more cheesy dialogue?
Indeed, this is almost suspiciously similar to Juni. I think we'd have something more along the lines of Elektra vs. Catwoman, but still with cheesy dialogue.