Bowser, who came into our hearts as a jumping turtle who died by touching an axe and falling in lava, who is now slowly changing. At first he was the main villain, then started not becoming the main villain in games, and is slowly helping Mario more and more. He is helping his sworn enemy more than he is fighting him, and he is saving the Mushroom Kingdom more then trying to take over it. In other games instead of fighting Bowser, you fight someone who is using Bowser as a puppet, like King Boo, Cacletta(SP?)/Bowletta, and the older Princess Shroob. What happened to the big bad Bowser? Is he really a villain now?
I think he is. Really, he only teams with Mario to reap some sort of benefit for himself (in which he fails), but, he was and still is, bad to the bone.
The games that matter to the Mario series as of late, being, Super Mario Galaxy and New Super Mario Bros, showcases his evil. Sure, he is a pushover boss wise (compared to the ol' days), but it's still him.
Throw in his role in the SSE and Mario Party games, and you have the classic bad guy, jumping around all over the place. All he needs now is a cameo in a series like LoZ, and he'll prove that is is REALLY a villain.
He's still a villain, but it's diminished over the years, like Robotnik. (and I quote from a Sonic flash cartoon where old Robotnik calls new Eggman: "What is wrong with you!? Time Travel!? TEAMING UP WITH THE HEDGEHOG!?!?!?")
I remember in Mario 64 when Bowser was still somewhat scary to fight, but now he's just comical on how laughably easy he is...
He was Mega intimidating in SM 64 (to me atleast), and he was somewhat intimidating in other main Mario Bros. game.
But yeah, IMO he's still very much so the bad guy... Super Mario Galaxy proves it indefinitely.
Besides the RPGs, Bowser is still pretty evil. The RPGs are the only ones that make him help Mario. Plus, Nintendo doesn't make them. Square made Super Mario RPG. Intelligent Systems makes Paper Mario. And AlphaDream makes the Mario & Luigi series.
If Nintendo made Mario RPGs, Bowser probably wouldn't help Mario out. He has yet to help him out in an actualy Mario game.
Quote from: DOODLEboy99 on October 27, 2008, 01:53:00 PM
Besides the RPGs, Bowser is still pretty evil. The RPGs are the only ones that make him help Mario. Plus, Nintendo doesn't make them. Square made Super Mario RPG. Intelligent Systems makes Paper Mario. And AlphaDream makes the Mario & Luigi series.
If Nintendo made Mario RPGs, Bowser probably wouldn't help Mario out. He has yet to help him out in an actualy Mario game.
All Mario games were made by
some company. Nintendo does as much work in an RPG than in any other Mario game.
Also, Super Paper Mario is not an RPG, so your point was easily proven wrong. Though either way, I see your point.
One more thing, Mario RPGs ARE
actualy actual Mario games. ;-)
Quote from: StarWindWizard7 on October 26, 2008, 06:36:05 PM
He was Mega intimidating in SM 64 (to me atleast), and he was somewhat intimidating in other main Mario Bros. game.
But yeah, IMO he's still very much so the bad guy... Super Mario Galaxy proves it indefinitely.
Well, obviously! He was like, super/mega/ultra evil in that game, trying to take over the UNIVERSE!
That takes some evil ambitions.
But, yeah, in some games, he has been a little soft. Too bad.
Quote from: JrDude on October 27, 2008, 04:56:31 PM
Quote from: DOODLEboy99 on October 27, 2008, 01:53:00 PM
Besides the RPGs, Bowser is still pretty evil. The RPGs are the only ones that make him help Mario. Plus, Nintendo doesn't make them. Square made Super Mario RPG. Intelligent Systems makes Paper Mario. And AlphaDream makes the Mario & Luigi series.
If Nintendo made Mario RPGs, Bowser probably wouldn't help Mario out. He has yet to help him out in an actualy Mario game.
All Mario games were made by some company. Nintendo does as much work in an RPG than in any other Mario game.
Also, Super Paper Mario is not an RPG, so your point was easily proven wrong. Though either way, I see your point.
One more thing, Mario RPGs ARE actualy actual Mario games. ;-)
by the term actual, you know what me mean. They're spinoffs of the main series, while actually being Mario games, they're not "actual" mario games. Hopefully with someone of your intelect you can infer at least that much X_X;;
Quote from: Nayrman on November 19, 2008, 06:59:41 PM
Quote from: JrDude on October 27, 2008, 04:56:31 PM
Quote from: DOODLEboy99 on October 27, 2008, 01:53:00 PM
Besides the RPGs, Bowser is still pretty evil. The RPGs are the only ones that make him help Mario. Plus, Nintendo doesn't make them. Square made Super Mario RPG. Intelligent Systems makes Paper Mario. And AlphaDream makes the Mario & Luigi series.
If Nintendo made Mario RPGs, Bowser probably wouldn't help Mario out. He has yet to help him out in an actualy Mario game.
All Mario games were made by some company. Nintendo does as much work in an RPG than in any other Mario game.
Also, Super Paper Mario is not an RPG, so your point was easily proven wrong. Though either way, I see your point.
One more thing, Mario RPGs ARE actualy actual Mario games. ;-)
by the term actual, you know what me mean. They're spinoffs of the main series, while actually being Mario games, they're not "actual" mario games. Hopefully with someone of your intelect you can infer at least that much X_X;;
If the game is
about a specific character, then it is that specific character's game, which means if it's about Mario, then it's an actual Mario game, though it isn't part of the main series, it is still a actual Mario game. I think of Spinoffs as Mario sports/party/non-adventureous-whatsoever.
Yeah bowser is still the bad guy, and still a villian.
Bowser has diminished in his evilness, but King Koopa is still very evil.
Bowser, like many other villains of the age, has become a bit... soft. While in the original games, he seemed truly menacing and evil (Super Mario 64 showed an intimidating rendition of the King Koopa), the newer games, particularly the RPGs cast him in a more comical role. He sides with Mario in several of the RPGs, but there is always an ulterior motive. In Super Paper Mario (I hate it, but it gives me an example to use), he teams up with Mario purely so that he can take over the world after Bleck's defeat. In SMRPG, he's helpless, and needs Mario and friends to get his castle back. Superstar Saga: Bowser wants to rescue the princess so that he can kidnap the princess. The RPGs use Bowser as the comic relief character, but that doesn't mean he isn't evil.
The other games show a rather darker side to Bowser. The original Paper Mario shows a cunning, menacing turtle, nearly killing Mario during his surprisingly elaborate scheme. In Sunshine, Bowser lies to his own son into thinking that Peach is his mother. NSMB shows him to have prepared for defeat at Mario's hands, since he apparently arranged for Bowser Jr. to have the means to resurrect him, and the Dry Bowser fight was different from other battles with the Koopa King.
Bowser's basically the most confusing Mario character in existence. His alliances change in each game, along with his evilness. Same thing with other villains too. The evil Dr. Robotnik suddenly became Eggman, and apparently willingly calls himself such a degrading name. Such villains are being pushed to the side, generally to introduce a new enemy, usually a world-destroying menace, forcing the original villains to team up with the heroes, in order to make a strange, screwed-up storyline. Doesn't stop them from being evil.
yes he is,he has never done anything to help anyone unless some kind of evil crap will happen(even though he always fails).I think Triforce_Luigi sums it up.
I can only see Bowser siding with Mario because it would benefit him in the end.
Just so you guys know, When Bowser first appeared, he was pure evil. He would have killed Peach with out a second thought.
Now, he has a conscience.
Quote from: makuta on December 13, 2008, 10:45:33 PM
Just so you guys know, When Bowser first appeared, he was pure evil. He would have killed Peach with out a second thought.
Now, he has a conscience.
Yeah, the pure evil turtle that spit slow balls of fire while jumping would kill the princess in the room right behind him.
Quote from: JrDude on December 13, 2008, 11:58:20 PM
Quote from: makuta on December 13, 2008, 10:45:33 PM
Just so you guys know, When Bowser first appeared, he was pure evil. He would have killed Peach with out a second thought.
Now, he has a conscience.
Yeah, the pure evil turtle that spit slow balls of fire while jumping would kill the princess in the room right behind him.
Doesn't he take the princess because he loves her too and is jealous of mario?
Quote from: Mutilator7 on December 17, 2008, 02:03:43 PM
Quote from: JrDude on December 13, 2008, 11:58:20 PM
Quote from: makuta on December 13, 2008, 10:45:33 PM
Just so you guys know, When Bowser first appeared, he was pure evil. He would have killed Peach with out a second thought.
Now, he has a conscience.
Yeah, the pure evil turtle that spit slow balls of fire while jumping would kill the princess in the room right behind him.
Doesn't he take the princess because he loves her too and is jealous of mario?
Not according to this (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xGE34VAqYTk&eurl=http://www.sethcomedy.com/seth_youtube/player.html?hl=en_US).
Quote from: JrDude on December 17, 2008, 02:39:22 PM
Quote from: Mutilator7 on December 17, 2008, 02:03:43 PM
Quote from: JrDude on December 13, 2008, 11:58:20 PM
Quote from: makuta on December 13, 2008, 10:45:33 PM
Just so you guys know, When Bowser first appeared, he was pure evil. He would have killed Peach with out a second thought.
Now, he has a conscience.
Yeah, the pure evil turtle that spit slow balls of fire while jumping would kill the princess in the room right behind him.
Doesn't he take the princess because he loves her too and is jealous of mario?
Not according to this (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xGE34VAqYTk&eurl=http://www.sethcomedy.com/seth_youtube/player.html?hl=en_US).
ROFL @ vid
oh, and for the real answer, Bowser had cast a curse on the Mushroom Kingdom that transformed most of the Toads (I can't remember what they turned into; it was either blocks or Goombas) and Peach was the only one who could break the curse, so he kidnapped her to prevent her from stopping him.
well Bowser would at least like to think he's a Villain, but like DeDeDe he is really more of a bully then anything
I think so.......I mean he always ends up helping Mario not because he actually wants to help him, but because it helps him [Bowser] in some way .
Bowser is a very versatile character it seems. I think Bowser is more of an ally than anything, at least nowadays. It's always pretty cool to get a chance to play as Bowser every now and then, but he's just by reputation the main bad guy in Mario games. So I guess he's both a good and a bad guy. :P
he USED to be a villain, but they made him wimpy. only in a few games is he a real, good villian. like Galaxy. much more evil. and he actually had a motive and story! its not like he just woke up one saturday and decided "today would be a good day to kidnap someone." but the other games are rather degrading to him, like partners in time and paper mario.
Quote from: chaosgear on May 06, 2009, 06:41:34 PM
he USED to be a villain, but they made him wimpy. only in a few games is he a real, good villian. like Galaxy. much more evil. and he actually had a motive and story! its not like he just woke up one saturday and decided "today would be a good day to kidnap someone." but the other games are rather degrading to him, like partners in time and paper mario.
Don't bump old threads.....................
Quote from: JrDude ♪ on May 06, 2009, 07:32:18 PM
Don't bump old threads.....................
Now that it was bumped, I would like to add that Paper Mario 64 actually gave him a motive and he was evil in it.
Quote from: JrDude ♪ on May 06, 2009, 07:32:18 PM
Don't bump old threads.....................
Please. :)