they would just use it to kill innocent civilians.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/7805558.stm
I mean seriously. what the intercourse ? This, lately, has been one of the few news items that actually makes me cry when I think about it. Why do the israelis feel a need to, in response to the palestinians firing rockets into "their" territory (not hurting ANYONE (oh, wait, 3 people)), go out and kill HUNDREDS of innocent palestinians?
It`s not even their intercourse ing land. It`s the palestinians. intercourse the zionists.
um...kay?
It was origionally going to be both, but the Palestinians in the late 40's after WW2 didn't want them there, so the UN took control. Besides, if you want to get pedantic, technically it was the people of Juda's land before the Palistinians got there, but once the Jews got kicked out (for like the fifth time at that point), it became "their" land. I just really hate that argument...
It is pretty bad and I don't condone it, but the Israelis wouldn't use nukes, even if they had one. The last thing they want is a PR hit that bad... X_X;;
Israel has nuclear weapons, if I recall correctly.
Other than that, I'm clueless on this issue.
Quote from: Tuppyluver1 on December 31, 2008, 10:51:04 AM
Israel has nuclear weapons, if I recall correctly.
Other than that, I'm clueless on this issue.
They have the materails needed, but don't have a full missle. Basically so foreign countries can't use the "OMG THEY HAVE NUKES!" excuse to not like them...
Quote from: Nayrman on December 31, 2008, 10:56:01 AM
Quote from: Tuppyluver1 on December 31, 2008, 10:51:04 AM
Israel has nuclear weapons, if I recall correctly.
Other than that, I'm clueless on this issue.
They have the materails needed, but don't have a full missle. Basically so foreign countries can't use the "OMG THEY HAVE NUKES!" excuse to not like them...
They could build a full missile if they wanted, but are trying to not use nukes because that would probably endanger the help they get from friendly nations.
Quote from: Tuppyluver1 on December 31, 2008, 10:58:31 AM
Quote from: Nayrman on December 31, 2008, 10:56:01 AM
Quote from: Tuppyluver1 on December 31, 2008, 10:51:04 AM
Israel has nuclear weapons, if I recall correctly.
Other than that, I'm clueless on this issue.
They have the materails needed, but don't have a full missle. Basically so foreign countries can't use the "OMG THEY HAVE NUKES!" excuse to not like them...
They could build a full missile if they wanted, but are trying to not use nukes because that would probably endanger the help they get from friendly nations.
that's exactly what I said X_X;;
Besides, Jono, you can't just look at the Palestinian side. You have to look at Israel's point of view and ask yourself, "Why else would they do this?"
Quote from: Nayrman on December 31, 2008, 10:37:09 AM
It was origionally going to be both, but the Palestinians in the late 40's after WW2 didn't want them there, so the UN took control. Besides, if you want to get pedantic, technically it was the people of Juda's land before the Palistinians got there, but once the Jews got kicked out (for like the fifth time at that point), it became "their" land. I just really hate that argument...
It is pretty bad and I don't condone it, but the Israelis wouldn't use nukes, even if they had one. The last thing they want is a PR hit that bad... X_X;;
it was the people of juda`s land back in biblical times. you can`t claim that you `left`and now you want it back after all that time.
Israel will always have the support of the US, simply because that's how the US has their hand in the middle east, and it sickens me. They're obviously up to no good.
They would do this because Palestine is firing crappy rockets into their territory. If they weren't there, they wouldn't be firing their rockets into their own territory. -_-
Palestine can't do anything against Israel, and they know it, but they want what is rightfully theirs. Their "holy land". Reasons for it belonging solely to Israel are completely one-sided.
Palestine has killed 3 people so far.
Israel has purposely fired rockets into civilian territory (universities!), and has killed 400, and doesn't want peace. This will end in a bloodbath.
Quote from: Jono2 on December 31, 2008, 11:12:19 AM
Quote from: Nayrman on December 31, 2008, 10:37:09 AM
It was origionally going to be both, but the Palestinians in the late 40's after WW2 didn't want them there, so the UN took control. Besides, if you want to get pedantic, technically it was the people of Juda's land before the Palistinians got there, but once the Jews got kicked out (for like the fifth time at that point), it became "their" land. I just really hate that argument...
It is pretty bad and I don't condone it, but the Israelis wouldn't use nukes, even if they had one. The last thing they want is a PR hit that bad... X_X;;
it was the people of juda`s land back in biblical times. you can`t claim that you `left`and now you want it back after all that time.
Israel will always have the support of the US, simply because that's how the US has their hand in the middle east, and it sickens me. They're obviously up to no good.
They would do this because Palestine is firing crappy rockets into their territory. If they weren't there, they wouldn't be firing their rockets into their own territory. -_-
Palestine can't do anything against Israel, and they know it, but they want what is rightfully theirs. Their "holy land". Reasons for it belonging solely to Israel are completely one-sided.
Palestine has killed 3 people so far.
Israel has purposely fired rockets into civilian territory (universities!), and has killed 400, and doesn't want peace. This will end in a bloodbath.
Do you freakin' see my posts! There has to be a reason that Israel is doing this.
Quote from: Jono2 on December 31, 2008, 11:12:19 AM
Quote from: Nayrman on December 31, 2008, 10:37:09 AM
It was origionally going to be both, but the Palestinians in the late 40's after WW2 didn't want them there, so the UN took control. Besides, if you want to get pedantic, technically it was the people of Juda's land before the Palistinians got there, but once the Jews got kicked out (for like the fifth time at that point), it became "their" land. I just really hate that argument...
It is pretty bad and I don't condone it, but the Israelis wouldn't use nukes, even if they had one. The last thing they want is a PR hit that bad... X_X;;
it was the people of juda`s land back in biblical times. you can`t claim that you `left`and now you want it back after all that time.
Israel will always have the support of the US, simply because that's how the US has their hand in the middle east, and it sickens me. They're obviously up to no good.
They would do this because Palestine is firing crappy rockets into their territory. If they weren't there, they wouldn't be firing their rockets into their own territory. -_-
Palestine can't do anything against Israel, and they know it, but they want what is rightfully theirs. Their "holy land". Reasons for it belonging solely to Israel are completely one-sided.
Palestine has killed 3 people so far.
Israel has purposely fired rockets into civilian territory (universities!), and has killed 400, and doesn't want peace. This will end in a bloodbath.
I was saying if you want to get pedantic, I could make that argument. (I could make a similar argument saying that we should return all of the U.S. back to the native americans, but that won't happen).
I also never said Israel was right. It's obvious the palisitians don't want to take the high road either. Are the Israelites doing more damage? Of course, but no one is going to go against Israel (and consequently the U.S.) while Hamas continues to run about causing a ruckus. If they want real change they have to do it through peaceful protest. That way Israel is left with 2 options:
Don't attack, and essentially palistinian support will grow a bit, and negotiations can occur
or
attack and lose the support of basically everyone but the U.S.
Both sides are being blatantly stupid in this instance X_X;;
I don't understand why we couldn't have asked Russia for some land to give to those Jews. I don't think they'd mind giving up their northern lands without oil. An even better idea would have been to give them some of Germany's land for their role in the war.
Quote from: JNeedForSpeed2014 on December 31, 2008, 11:15:18 AM
Quote from: Jono2 on December 31, 2008, 11:12:19 AM
Quote from: Nayrman on December 31, 2008, 10:37:09 AM
It was origionally going to be both, but the Palestinians in the late 40's after WW2 didn't want them there, so the UN took control. Besides, if you want to get pedantic, technically it was the people of Juda's land before the Palistinians got there, but once the Jews got kicked out (for like the fifth time at that point), it became "their" land. I just really hate that argument...
It is pretty bad and I don't condone it, but the Israelis wouldn't use nukes, even if they had one. The last thing they want is a PR hit that bad... X_X;;
it was the people of juda`s land back in biblical times. you can`t claim that you `left`and now you want it back after all that time.
Israel will always have the support of the US, simply because that's how the US has their hand in the middle east, and it sickens me. They're obviously up to no good.
They would do this because Palestine is firing crappy rockets into their territory. If they weren't there, they wouldn't be firing their rockets into their own territory. -_-
Palestine can't do anything against Israel, and they know it, but they want what is rightfully theirs. Their "holy land". Reasons for it belonging solely to Israel are completely one-sided.
Palestine has killed 3 people so far.
Israel has purposely fired rockets into civilian territory (universities!), and has killed 400, and doesn't want peace. This will end in a bloodbath.
Do you freakin' see my posts! There has to be a reason that Israel is doing this.
the reason is that israel is tired of Hamas, and has decided that they are willing to go to any lengths to destroy them. It's the same position that Hamas has taken against Israel.
A good compromise (in my mind) is this:
Israel joins Palestine as a separate state within Palestine.
Palestinians may live anywhere within Israeli territory.
Israelis may not live within (current) palestinian lands.
Palestine keeps gaza.
Egypt gets their land back, neither party may live in egyptian land.
Israel keeps it's military force.
Palestine gets it's land, Israel gets peace, America gets their oil.
If Israel joins with Palestine as a state within Palestine, it loses the point of it being a Jewish state...
I say give Gaza back and begin negotiations with about the West Bank.
What so many people fail to realize is that the West Back was still Palestinian when Israel formed, and they lost it in conflict (like the Sainai Peninsula with Egypt, which we already gave back for peace might I add). I believe it was during the Six Days War, but I may be wrong on that.
It's just one of those, "Oy! Quit with the rockets and we'd actually like to talk!" sort of things. X_X;;
Quote from: Lotos on December 31, 2008, 11:42:22 AM
I don't understand why we couldn't have asked Russia for some land to give to those Jews. I don't think they'd mind giving up their northern lands without oil. An even better idea would have been to give them some of Germany's land for their role in the war.
The Israelites don't won't just any land they want the "Holy Land".
Quote from: Nayrman on December 31, 2008, 12:03:17 PM
If Israel joins with Palestine as a state within Palestine, it loses the point of it being a Jewish state...
I say give Gaza back and begin negotiations with about the West Bank.
What so many people fail to realize is that the West Back was still Palestinian when Israel formed, and they lost it in conflict (like the Sainai Peninsula with Egypt, which we already gave back for peace might I add). I believe it was during the Six Days War, but I may be wrong on that.
It's just one of those, "Oy! Quit with the rockets and we'd actually like to talk!" sort of things. X_X;;
I know! Why can't they just talk this stuff out?
Why can we relate most of the worlds troubles to religion as the base?
Quote from: Frigid_Aztec on December 31, 2008, 12:03:41 PM
Quote from: Lotos on December 31, 2008, 11:42:22 AM
I don't understand why we couldn't have asked Russia for some land to give to those Jews. I don't think they'd mind giving up their northern lands without oil. An even better idea would have been to give them some of Germany's land for their role in the war.
The Israelites don't won't just any land they want the "Holy Land".
It's not that "Holy" if you ask me...
(http://farm1.static.flickr.com/181/428736127_b1036a3a5f.jpg)
Quote from: Blaze-San on December 31, 2008, 12:29:33 PM
Why can we relate most of the worlds troubles to religion as the base?
because religeon is the root of all evil in this world, along with politics.
And Spam: That's mass desertification over the course of thousands of years for you X_X
Quote from: Nayrman on December 31, 2008, 12:43:41 PM
Quote from: Blaze-San on December 31, 2008, 12:29:33 PM
Why can we relate most of the worlds troubles to religion as the base?
because religeon is the root of all evil in this world, along with politics.
Okay i'm not the only one that sees that.
Quote from: Nayrman on December 31, 2008, 12:43:41 PM
Quote from: Blaze-San on December 31, 2008, 12:29:33 PM
Why can we relate most of the worlds troubles to religion as the base?
because religeon is the root of all evil in this world, along with politics.
And Spam: That's mass desertification over the course of thousands of years for you X_X
Or in other words, Arizona in 10 years...
Quote from: Spam on December 31, 2008, 12:30:45 PM
It's not that "Holy" if you ask me...
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Thank you :)
Quote from: Jono2 on December 31, 2008, 11:56:50 AM
the reason is that israel is tired of Hamas, and has decided that they are willing to go to any lengths to destroy them....
...A good compromise (in my mind) is this...
compromise
typically doesn't work in this kind of situation, honey <3
Quote from: Nayrman on December 31, 2008, 12:43:41 PM
because religeon is the root of all evil in this world, along with politics.
lol
Quote from: PsychoYoshi on December 31, 2008, 04:32:20 PM
Quote from: Jono2 on December 31, 2008, 11:56:50 AM
the reason is that israel is tired of Hamas, and has decided that they are willing to go to any lengths to destroy them....
...A good compromise (in my mind) is this...
compromise typically doesn't work in this kind of situation, honey <3
lol, good point
but in my opinion, the israelis are as much terrorists in the middle east as the palestinians.
So I finally clicked the link.
(http://newsimg.bbc.co.uk/media/images/45337000/gif/_45337354_gaza_isreal1.gif)
Please tell me they're not doing what I think they're doing... (trying to take Gaza as their own land)
Quote from: Lotos on December 31, 2008, 05:12:24 PM
So I finally clicked the link.
(http://newsimg.bbc.co.uk/media/images/45337000/gif/_45337354_gaza_isreal1.gif)
Please tell me they're not doing what I think they're doing... (trying to take Gaza as their own land)
they're apparently invading to kill all members of hamas, but everyone knows they're just going to keep it.
Quote from: Spam on December 31, 2008, 12:30:45 PM
Quote from: Frigid_Aztec on December 31, 2008, 12:03:41 PM
Quote from: Lotos on December 31, 2008, 11:42:22 AM
I don't understand why we couldn't have asked Russia for some land to give to those Jews. I don't think they'd mind giving up their northern lands without oil. An even better idea would have been to give them some of Germany's land for their role in the war.
The Israelites don't won't just any land they want the "Holy Land".
It's not that "Holy" if you ask me...
(http://farm1.static.flickr.com/181/428736127_b1036a3a5f.jpg)
According to the Bible its the land that God gave to them thousands of years ago. That makes it holy to them, so its kind of obvious why they want it back.
Not that that justifies anything.
Because the palastiens intercourse ing attack random ass poop in Israel. My brother went to a intercourse ing disco in Israel ounce got thursty went out to get water and the club blew up! I ounce went somewhere in Israel and these intercourse ing people started randomly throuing rocks at me and my brother! Also it's not the isralians it's the isralian govermmt and the news. Both countiess are wrong and should just do peace. But that won't happen cause of religion.
Quote from: phatyo on December 31, 2008, 07:24:49 PM
Because the palastiens f***ing attack random ass s*** in Israel. My brother went to a f***ing disco in Israel ounce got thursty went out to get water and the club blew up! I ounce went somewhere in Israel and these f***ing people started randomly throuing rocks at me and my brother! Also it's not the isralians it's the isralian govermmt and the news. Both countiess are wrong and should just do peace. But that won't happen cause of religion.
You went to Israel!?
Quote from: JNeedForSpeed2014 on December 31, 2008, 07:28:35 PM
Quote from: phatyo on December 31, 2008, 07:24:49 PM
Because the palastiens f***ing attack random ass s*** in Israel. My brother went to a f***ing disco in Israel ounce got thursty went out to get water and the club blew up! I ounce went somewhere in Israel and these f***ing people started randomly throuing rocks at me and my brother! Also it's not the isralians it's the isralian govermmt and the news. Both countiess are wrong and should just do peace. But that won't happen cause of religion.
You went to Israel!?
yeah twice
Quote from: phatyo on December 31, 2008, 07:24:49 PM
Because the palastiens intercourse ing attack random ass poop in Israel. My brother went to a intercourse ing disco in Israel ounce got thursty went out to get water and the club blew up! I ounce went somewhere in Israel and these intercourse ing people started randomly throuing rocks at me and my brother! Also it's not the isralians it's the isralian govermmt and the news. Both countiess are wrong and should just do peace. But that won't happen cause of religion.
Spell check.
Seriously.
They were throwing rocks and you because you were American/Canadian.
Quote from: Tuppyluver1 on December 31, 2008, 08:05:50 PM
They were throwing rocks and you because you were American/Canadian.
Yeah, I do it to Mexicans all the time.
I'd be mad if people kept shooting missiles at me, too.
Quote from: darkmariov2 on January 01, 2009, 12:36:17 AM
I'd be mad if people kept shooting missiles at me, too.
an equivalent comparison is this:
say your neighbor really hates you, because you built on his land. However, you're stronger, more capable, and better armed than him.
He throws rocks over your fence to annoy you. One day he kills your cat.
You then go over to his house and blow his head off with a sawn-off shotgun.
Quote from: Jono2 on January 01, 2009, 01:16:27 AM
Quote from: darkmariov2 on January 01, 2009, 12:36:17 AM
I'd be mad if people kept shooting missiles at me, too.
an equivalent comparison is this:
say your neighbor really hates you, because you built on his land. However, you're stronger, more capable, and better armed than him.
He throws rocks over your fence to annoy you. One day he kills your cat.
You then go over to his house and blow his head off with a sawn-off shotgun.
Jono sure loves his hyperbole.
Jono, I'd argue this with you, but you're too pigheaded for me to feel a need to.
Quote from: Friendly Hostile on January 01, 2009, 12:14:47 PM
Jono, I'd argue this with you, but you're too pigheaded for me to feel a need to.
Pigheaded? I need to google that...
Quote from: Java_Java on January 01, 2009, 12:25:14 PM
Quote from: Friendly Hostile on January 01, 2009, 12:14:47 PM
Jono, I'd argue this with you, but you're too pigheaded for me to feel a need to.
Pigheaded? I need to google that...
http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=pig%20headed
Quote from: Tuppyluver1 on December 31, 2008, 08:05:50 PM
They were throwing rocks and you because you were American/Canadian.
no no no, they trough rocks at anyone that looks Caucasian sorry for all the misspelling I'm on my iPhone and u know how the keyboard is on this thing. I just don't bother re-reading everything.
Quote from: Tuppyluver1 on December 31, 2008, 08:05:50 PM
They were throwing rocks and you because you were American/Canadian.
IIRC, he was born there. I think he then moved to Quebec, then Florida.
This isn't new. People have been killing people for 65 million years. Remember the Indians.