http://kotaku.com/5310759/no-more-heroes-designer-wants-travis-touchdown-in-next-smash-bros (http://kotaku.com/5310759/no-more-heroes-designer-wants-travis-touchdown-in-next-smash-bros)
Obviously nothing official, as we don't even know if there is a smash 4 being planned.
But basically Suda himself says he'd love to see Travis in the next Smash game. And since both Snake and Sonic had both Kojima and Naka respectively give the thumbs up and show desire to be in Smash, maybe this isn't so far fetched after all?
I'd certainly love to see him.
Eh....they'd certainly have to release NMH2 before it comes out so he would gain more popularity.
Quote from: JNFS2014 on July 09, 2009, 07:59:24 AM
Eh....they'd certainly have to release NMH2 before it comes out so he would gain more popularity.
I know, just noticing he's the first person since Snake and Sonic were revealed to say he actually wanted someone in the Smash games. And since he is the owner of the company, basically what he says goes.
I think that Travis would be a good character.
I haven't played No More Heroes yet, butfrom what I've seen, he's got a decent moveset.
*Waits pacently for Mr. Namco to be in SSB 4.*
Quote from: Penmoet on July 09, 2009, 12:43:48 PM
I think that Travis would be a good character.
I haven't played No More Heroes yet, butfrom what I've seen, he's got a decent moveset.
*Waits pacently for Mr. Namco to be in SSB 4.*
You're never going to let Mr.Namco go are you? XD
I can't play NMH, but like MGS and what I've seen, why not? The more badass characters, the better.
Quote from: Nayrman on July 09, 2009, 12:46:42 PM
You're never going to let Mr.Namco go are you? XD
So penmoet is Shujinco.
IF they make another Smash(probably for Wii2) then please, god, please...
DON'T MAKE HIM A COPY CHARACTER!!!!!!!!!!!!
And bring Young Link back with an original moveset. PLEASE! *Only want's YL for the Fierce Deity Mask*
Quote from: Penmoet on July 09, 2009, 12:43:48 PM
I think that Travis would be a good character.
I haven't played No More Heroes yet, butfrom what I've seen, he's got a decent moveset.
*Waits pacently for Mr. Namco to be in SSB 4.*
No matter how much you wish and want. No matter who you tell. Mr. Namco will never be in Super Smash Bros.
And no matter how many times I say. No matter how many reasonable reasons why. You will always think he has a chance.
He'd be censored to death.
...I'd really like to see him in, though.
Quote from: JrDude ♪ on July 09, 2009, 05:51:22 PM
No matter how much you wish and want. No matter who you tell. Mr. Namco will never be in Super Smash Bros.
And no matter how many times I say. No matter how many reasonable reasons why. You will always think he has a chance.
Mr. Game and Watch got in. Sonic and Snake got in. Mr. Namco is essentially a combined idea of the two: A third Party character with a bunch of differant moves from differant games.
Why not?
....Who's Mr. Namco?
Quote from: JNFS2014 on July 12, 2009, 10:14:54 AM
....Who's Mr. Namco?
He's the guy from Dig Dug, but he has moves based off of several old (And new) Namco games, such as Dig Dug, Pole Position, Pac-man, and Soul Caliber.
Just like Mr. Game and Watch has moves based off of HIS different games, like Fire, Chef and Octopus.
The big thing that Travis has going for him is that he is Wii Exclusive Character. If he stayed that a time, as in until the announcement of Smash 4, I could see him having a high chance of getting in. But, the kicker is, again, that they are going to want to maintain that partnership with Suda that has seen Contact, No More Heroes, etc. As long as he doesn't pull a Resident Evil 4, I'd say it has good odds.
*likes to note that Travis with NMH2:DS will have more Nintendo console games than Snake since the SNES' debut*
As far as the reports from Sakurai regarding third parties, it depends more on the third party's willingness to get the character in rather than Nintendo's personal preference. Otherwise Snake wouldn't have had a chance.
Not saying you're wrong Mac. If NMH3 (should there be one) gets on the 360/PS3 and not Wii before eventual Smash 4, it could put a damper on things. But hey, Suda commands it.
Oh no, I understand that. But at the same time, I don't think Nintendo is going to let a character in that they feel has betrayed them. Yes, Suda's support certainly helps - but I am sure they look into relationship with other companies. Snake, for instance, may have had hardly any Ninty releases. But, of course, look at other Konami support, and you'll see large series like Yugioh with a ton of Nintendo support. I still believe that is why we never saw a Capcom rep, because of RE4. So, they will assuredly look into sales of NMH + NMH2, but I think they will also look to the future and see if they believe Suda is someone that will work with them again (Vitality support helps), or if he is only there to make his character more mainstream and ditch them.
The "Capcom 5" betrayal during the Cube era can easily be attributed to PS2's completely dominant sales and Nintendo not exactly being that friendly to third parties at the time.
I think Snake's appearance is moreso because Kojima and Sakurai are pals, and Nintendo would rather please Sakurai than be anal about one character.
Even if Suda were to jump to the 360/PS3, this would hardly be Square's betrayal during the N64 era (another relationship nearly ruined more so by Nintendo's stubbornness and Sony's technical superiority than anything truly game wise).
I think sales of NMH2 will determine a lot as to the likelyhood of Suda doing much of anything in terms of teaming up with Nintendo for Smash or anything of the like.
How was putting NMH on the Wii an attempt to make it more mainstream? It's blatantly marketed toward the minority market on the system. Suda said it's on the Wii because of the more interesting control scheme. The only reason he's grown bored with the Wii because right after E3 he said the system's reached it's limit (for him anyway) and that Natal and Sony look much more interesting at the moment. But we all know how fickle these gaming guys can be between what can/should/they tell will be done and what actually will. *glares at Inafune for his insistance on RPG's for Megaman**
As a note, I meant mainstream by appearing in SSB. Not on Wii. Because face it, Smash has helped a few series out.
Quote from: Macbeth on July 12, 2009, 07:10:46 PM
As a note, I meant mainstream by appearing in SSB. Not on Wii. Because face it, Smash has helped a few series out.
my misunderstanding then.
Smash is the only reason America has Fire Emblem, so I'll agree there.
I don't think wanting Travis in Smash has anything to do with trying to get him into the mainstream (although Suda has really wanted to make Travis a star). But I can see where you're coming from there.
Quote from: Penmoet on July 12, 2009, 12:18:07 PM
He's the guy from Dig Dug, but he has moves based off of several old (And new) Namco games, such as Dig Dug, Pole Position, Pac-man, and Soul Caliber.
Just like Mr. Game and Watch has moves based off of HIS different games, like Fire, Chef and Octopus.
The difference between that is Mr. Game & Watch is actually real, there is a game based off him, and his moves are based on
Mr. Game & Watch's games, he's not some character with many other people's moves, that would be retarded. Imagine Mario, since his games contain Bowser and Donkey Kong and whatnot, Mario should be able to
breath fire and throw barrels (based on your logic), and since he's Nintendo, why not add Link's bow and arrow, and Pikachu's Thunderbolt.
Quote from: JrDude ♪ on July 12, 2009, 08:21:07 PM
The difference between that is Mr. Game & Watch is actually real, there is a game based off him, and his moves are based on Mr. Game & Watch's games, he's not some character with many other people's moves, that would be retarded. Imagine Mario, since his games contain Bowser and Donkey Kong and whatnot, Mario should be able to breath fire and throw barrels (based on your logic), and since he's Nintendo, why not add Link's bow and arrow, and Pikachu's Thunderbolt.
I believe your thinking a LITTLE too hard about this. :|
Quote from: Penmoet on July 12, 2009, 08:33:15 PM
I believe your thinking a LITTLE too hard about this. :|
No, you just don't think enough. When you mentioned MG&W's thing, it came to me immediately, not much thinking at all. After reading your Dig Dug thingy, the Mario thing also came to me almost instantly.
Quote from: JrDude ♪ on July 12, 2009, 08:37:30 PM
No, you just don't think enough. When you mentioned MG&W's thing, it came to me immediately, not much thinking at all. After reading your Dig Dug thingy, the Mario thing also came to me almost instantly.
*Semi-off-topic* Can I ask, JR, who was the character YOU desperatly wanted in Brawl?
Quote from: Penmoet on July 12, 2009, 08:39:12 PM
*Semi-off-topic* Can I ask, JR, who was the character YOU desperatly wanted in Brawl?
Whether I wanted anyone in or not wouldn't really prove anything, due to the fact that all the characters I wanted at all are
real.
Quote from: JrDude ♪ on July 12, 2009, 08:40:24 PM
Whether I wanted anyone in or not wouldn't really prove anything, due to the fact that all the characters I wanted at all are real.
But the Dig Dug man is real too. He just doesn't have an absolute name.
Quote from: Penmoet on July 12, 2009, 08:42:24 PM
But the Dig Dug man is real too. He just doesn't have an absolute name.
I guess I have to add that the characters I want in
wouldn't have someone else's attacks, though I also know Dig Dug won't make it in, no matter how stupid someone is,
they will never make a character have moves of someone else scratch that, they did do that, what I mean is, they will never make a character have moves of a character of a different game (like Mario and Link). They will make up moves for them, but they won't do what you want them to do.
Quote from: JrDude ♪ on July 12, 2009, 08:44:35 PM
I guess I have to add that the characters I want in wouldn't have someone else's attacks, though I also know Dig Dug won't make it in, no matter how stupid someone is, they will never make a character have moves of someone else. They will make up moves for them, but they won't do what you want them to do.
Most likely not, but, like every other wanted character for smash, and I mean EVERY other, it's always something to wish for.
Quote from: Penmoet on July 12, 2009, 08:46:21 PM
Most likely not, but, like every other wanted character for smash, and I mean EVERY other, it's always something to wish for.
Yes you can wish for it, but I know it will still never happen. And so may many others.
Quote from: JrDude ♪ on July 12, 2009, 08:48:08 PM
Yes you can wish for it, but I know it will still never happen. And so may many others.
To say it will never happen is pretty darn ignorant of you to say.
If Mr. Namco were as popular to be in as Sonic was, I'm pretty sure he could get in.
Too bad I'm the only one to think something like this up with little resources to distribute my idea.
Quote from: Penmoet on July 12, 2009, 08:51:52 PM
To say it will never happen is pretty darn ignorant of you to say.
If Mr. Namco were as popular to be in as Sonic was, I'm pretty sure he could get in.
Too bad I'm the only one to think something like this up with little resources to distribute my idea.
Wrong, there are plenty of non-official characters that are very popular, but will still never make it in.
Quote from: JrDude ♪ on July 12, 2009, 09:03:24 PM
Wrong, there are plenty of non-official characters that are very popular, but will still never make it in.
Well, ok, fair enough. It's not all about popularity though. It's also about business.
If Namco could get a character to be in Brawl, to further advertise their product of a specific game, why not? That's how Snake got in. ( I believe.) Now, instead of just one game being advertised, how about many, at the same time? Wouldn't that be a better idea than just one game being advertised? OF COURSE!
And if Namco were to ask Nintendo to put their character in Brawl REALLY badly, (Also like Snake.) isn't it very possible that Mr. Namco could become a character?
Quote from: Penmoet on July 12, 2009, 09:12:08 PM
Well, ok, fair enough. It's not all about popularity though. It's also about business.
If Namco could get a character to be in Brawl, to further advertise their product of a specific game, why not? That's how Snake got in. ( I believe.) Now, instead of just one game being advertised, how about many, at the same time? Wouldn't that be a better idea than just one game being advertised? OF COURSE!
And if Namco were to ask Nintendo to put their character in Brawl REALLY badly, (Also like Snake.) isn't it very possible that Mr. Namco could become a character?
Not even Namco knows about this "Mr. Namco" idea that you have. And even if they did, they most likely don't care. Another thing, if Dig Dug was in with random Namco game attacks, it won't help advertise anything, because to the people who don't even know of those games, they would be like "Wtf?"
One more thing here, your idea is the pixel version of Dig Dug, you also want "Classic Mario" to become playable (Pixel version as well). The thing about those is, when it come to who you control, it's all about the graphics, graphics is part of the reason some people hate Nintendo, because their graphics aren't as good as Microsoft's and Sony's, and since Nintendo is mainly about money, they will probably think they will lose money with it. Now THERE I thought a little too much.
Quote from: JrDude ♪ on July 12, 2009, 09:19:24 PM
Not even Namco knows about this "Mr. Namco" idea that you have. And even if they did, they most likely don't care. Another thing, if Dig Dug was in with random Namco game attacks, it won't help advertise anything, because to the people who don't even know of those games, they would be like "Wtf?"
One more thing here, your idea is the pixel version of Dig Dug, you also want "Classic Mario" to become playable (Pixel version as well). The thing about those is, when it come to who you control, it's all about the graphics, graphics is part of the reason some people hate Nintendo, because their graphics aren't as good as Microsoft's and Sony's, and since Nintendo is mainly about money, they will probably think they will lose money with it. Now THERE I thought a little too much.
I know Mr. Namco isn't really known by the Namco company yet. If there happens to be another Smash game, I plan to change that. And about them not caring... well that's always a possibility.
About the advertising, people going "WTF?" has always been a good motivator to go look stuff up. ALWAYS. "WTF is NSFCD? OH! IT'S A NINTENDO FORUM! HOW NEAT/STUPID!" At least, it is for me anyway.
And I want a 3-D version of Mr. Namco, just they made Ice Climbers and Pit 3-d. Though, we would look like Olimar too much.
Quote from: Penmoet on July 12, 2009, 09:29:38 PM
I know Mr. Namco isn't really known by the Namco company yet. If there happens to be another Smash game, I plan to change that. And about them not caring... well that's always a possibility.
About the advertising, people going "WTF?" has always been a good motivator to go look stuff up. ALWAYS. "WTF is NSFCD? OH! IT'S A NINTENDO FORUM! HOW NEAT/STUPID!" At least, it is for me anyway.
And I want a 3-D version of Mr. Namco, just they made Ice Climbers and Pit 3-d. Though, we would look like Olimar too much.
Before it is even confirmed to be released, it would have been worked on already and all the characters would have already been decided. Telling Namco then would be too late (and even if it wasn't, Mr. Namco would still never happen).
Quote from: JrDude ♪ on July 12, 2009, 09:33:36 PM
Before it is even confirmed to be released, it would have been worked on already and all the characters would have already been decided. Telling Namco then would be too late.
True, but telling them now would just make me seem crazy. :P
Quote from: Penmoet on July 12, 2009, 09:35:14 PM
True, but telling them now would just make me seem crazy. :P
No, they'd think your a little kid who thinks his made-up character can make it into big games.
Quote from: JrDude ♪ on July 12, 2009, 09:38:16 PM
No, they'd think your a little kid who thinks his made-up character can make it into big games.
He's not made up entirely. He's a compilation of many different things that already exist.
Quote from: Penmoet on July 12, 2009, 09:39:21 PM
He's not made up entirely. He's a compilation of many different things that already exist.
Mhm, I think it's pretty obvious to everyone but you that this character never did and never will have a chance in Smash Bros. Go ahead and keep dreaming, just tell me when you wake up :)
Quote from: JrDude ♪ on July 12, 2009, 09:41:28 PM
Mhm, I think it's pretty obvious to everyone but you that this character never did and never will have a chance in Smash Bros. Go ahead and keep dreaming, just tell me when you wake up :)
You know, you never did tell me what you wanted in brawl.
Quote from: Penmoet on July 12, 2009, 09:42:21 PM
You know, you never did tell me what you wanted in brawl.
Nice to know.
Quote from: JrDude ♪ on July 12, 2009, 09:50:28 PM
Nice to know.
I really want to know. What did YOU want, over all else, in Brawl?
Quote from: Penmoet on July 12, 2009, 09:51:47 PM
I really want to know. What did YOU want, over all else, in Brawl?
Mario.
Um....off topic?
There's a difference between a dream and a possibility. A dream is something that probably won't happen, (0% to 1%), like this "Mr. Namco" character.
A possibility is when something actually has a chance. (2% to 99%)
So, if you want this Mr. Namco to be in Brawl.
1. Get tons more ideas.
2. Hope that you get hired by Namco.
3. Move up in the ranks of Namco until you become president.
4. Explain your ideas to Namco, and, if they say yes, make a game.
5. If they game kills in ratings, then plan a sequel and tell Nintendo that you want him in Brawl. (Like they did with Travis.)
6. Wait for it. If he gets in? Cool. If not? Try again.
Estimated time? 25-30 years minimum.
Or.....
1. Draw a picture and moveset and send it to Nintendo.
2. Wait for them to send it back with a "Rejected" stamp on it.
Estimated time? 3-5 business days.
The point is, you wouldn't have to deal with just Nintendo. Since Mr. Namco has Namco character moves, then you have to deal with Namco too. FYI.