NSFCD

I was just thinking about Halo 3 since my friend came over and wanted to play it for a while, and so I thought that this would be a good thread.

Vote in the poll, and then tell how you voted and why (you don't have to if you don't want to).

Personally, I don't think it's overrated except by fanboys, MLG noobs, actual MLG's, 13 year-olds, etc. Respected and reputable reviewers generally give it what it deserves. Offhand, I'd give Halo 3 a 9.75 out of 10. It's not perfect, but it's close to it. :) If you have any problems with the game(s) please share, but nothing even remotely similar to "... and I shot him right in the head with the beam rifle and it missed!We were so close! You should've seen it! I would've won the whole game!" etc. >:(

Have fun! And please, no flame wars. ;)

Of course it's overrated. It's received many perfect scores, when in reality it is a pretty flawed game. I disagree about it being near perfect. How exactly is it nearly a perfect game?

That being said, it's still a very fun game. I do love my BR's.

Yes, Halo's overrated, but not by much, and like TerribleFrog said it's mainly just overrated by certain people.  It's still awesome, and I say it deserves the reviews it gets.

ITs overrated like hell, but regardless its a very fun game.

Quite possibly the most overrated series in the history of videogames.
seriously, it does nothing unique or overly original. And it has VERY straightforward game design.
Sure, it's FUN, don't get me wrong, but NONE of the games deserves to be above an 8 on the ratings scale.

Every great game series is overrated...
But Halo deserves it's overratedness.
Custom games and forge make Halo 3 my second favourite Xbox 360 game.

Quote from: Triforceman22 on August 18, 2009, 07:46:50 AM
Every great game series is overrated...
But Halo deserves it's overratedness.
Custom games and forge make Halo 3 my second favourite Xbox 360 game.

Dude, only games that change the way games are made (Mario Bros., Zelda, Final Fantasy, OoT, Goldeneye) deserve their overrated-ness.
Halo changed nothing, it's just one of the many, and I mean MANY FPS's out there. In fact Modern Warfare is a better game by miles and yet Halo get's all the praise...WHY!? You can't claim Xbox Live. That was the service. That's like giving Mario 64 credit for the analog stick...

Of course it is.  People treat it as if everything that was done in it was never done before, when in reality, everything that was in those games was simply done in other games, the developers just realized it'd probably be a good idea to put them together.

lol FH and Nayrman...

Halo was the first console FPS to utilize the dual analog stick control scheme that is standard in console FPS's to my knowledge. Halo was also the first FPS to have recharging shields if you don't count any of the mods for Unreal or Tribes.

And also, Halo 2's online multiplayer matchmaking system is standard for most online shooters today. You say you can't claim that Halo's Xbox Live features can't be linked to how Halo has revolutionized the industry, but the fact is, is that you can. Halo's online multiplayer is very good, and is probably the most user-friendly matchmaking system ever in the histroy of video games. From picture saves, to forge, to video saves and theater, Halo 3 really is the most versatile Xbox Live game.

Halo did change the industry, whether it be for the better of for the worse. Know your poop before you bash Halo.

Overrated? Uh, every popular series is overrated to some extent. Perfect scores = lol.

Fun? Yeah. Overrated doesn't mean it isn't fun. I've played it with a few friends. I'm not that good at it (or FPS's in general, at all <_________<) But It's still fun to screw around. I just can't get hooked into FPS's That much at all, so for me to find it fun is saying at least something I guess.

Quote from: Zero on August 18, 2009, 11:50:14 AM
lol FH and Nayrman...

Halo was the first console FPS to utilize the dual analog stick control scheme that is standard in console FPS's to my knowledge. Halo was also the first FPS to have recharging shields if you don't count any of the mods for Unreal or Tribes.

And also, Halo 2's online multiplayer matchmaking system is standard for most online shooters today. You say you can't claim that Halo's Xbox Live features can't be linked to how Halo has revolutionized the industry, but the fact is, is that you can. Halo's online multiplayer is very good, and is probably the most user-friendly matchmaking system ever in the histroy of video games. From picture saves, to forge, to video saves and theater, Halo 3 really is the most versatile Xbox Live game.

Halo did change the industry, whether it be for the better of for the worse. Know your s*** before you bash Halo.

Well then I can claim Mario 64 for ALL 3D camera movements. After all, it did it FIRST SO IT GETS ALL CREDIT! Even though it's a technical aspect having little to do with the actual game. Giving Halo credit for Xbox Live is kind of a joke. Sure, it was the first to really use it. If you want to claim that sure, but saying Halo is great because of the online is like saying the N64 was better because it had built in four player compared to PS1's two player. It's just a bonus to make a good game better.

I find it hard to give Halo credit for things like the "dual analog" movement, since the same basic idea was present in PS1 games long before Halo. Sure, it wasn't an FPS, but the idea of using a camera to position the viewpoint was done long before Xbox came out. They simply used it in a first person perspective. It's similar to how the speed/gravity relationship was used mildly in racing games was implemented into the first Sonic game. Same idea, same technology, just different use.

Quote from: Nayrman on August 18, 2009, 12:29:35 PM
Well then I can claim Mario 64 for ALL 3D camera movements. After all, it did it FIRST SO IT GETS ALL CREDIT! Even though it's a technical aspect having little to do with the actual game. Giving Halo credit for Xbox Live is kind of a joke. Sure, it was the first to really use it. If you want to claim that sure, but saying Halo is great because of the online is like saying the N64 was better because it had built in four player compared to PS1's two player. It's just a bonus to make a good game better.

I find it hard to give Halo credit for things like the "dual analog" movement, since the same basic idea was present in PS1 games long before Halo. Sure, it wasn't an FPS, but the idea of using a camera to position the viewpoint was done long before Xbox came out. They simply used it in a first person perspective. It's similar to how the speed/gravity relationship was used mildly in racing games was implemented into the first Sonic game. Same idea, same technology, just different use.

Giving the Halo series credit for Xbox Live is not a joke. You said it yourself, "It's just a bonus to make a good game better." Another example would be the one you gave yourself: 3D camera movements in Super Mario 64. Just as you said, it doesn't have much to do with gameplay, but it makes the game better. However, Halo's online play has a lot to do with its gameplay. There are many game modes, and, as Zero said, it is very user-friendly, and it did revolutionize standard online play. Not all the players of Halo are "user-friendly", but that's a different story. ;)

As for the dual analog stick movement, sure, it might have been present in the PS1 and some of its games, but it wasn't used. A simple analogy would be the discovery of North America. Christopher Columbus discovered it in 1492 and returned to Europe with his news. However, Lief Ericson and his crew supposedly discovered North America about 500 years earlier. But they didn't say anything or make it known to anyone in any way, apparently, because we can't prove that their efforts are worth any merit (for discovering North America, that is). Then who gets the credit for discovering North America? Christopher Columbus, because he told people of his findings and was documented by historians and the like. The point is that Halo gets the credit because (I'm not fact-checking, this is according to Zero), "Halo was the first console FPS to utilize the dual analog stick control scheme that is standard in console FPS's", it was never used in any PS1 game, and therefore, it shouldn't be given any credit. Halo should, though, because it did use it, first.

Quote from: Triforceman22 on August 18, 2009, 07:46:50 AM
Every great game series is overrated...
But Halo deserves it's overratedness.
Custom games and forge make Halo 3 my second favourite Xbox 360 game.

Um, maybe I'm mistaken here, but doesn't "overrated" mean that something doesn't deserve all it's praise? As in, nothing can deserve being overrated, because at that point it is now fairly rated.

Even if I was wrong about the dual-analog thing, it doesn't matter. Halo got popular, and the industry was changed because of it. Think of how many shooters have been made to combat Halo's popularity. Killzone wouldn't even exist if it wasn't for Sony's need to be number 1. Think of how many games have copied something Halo implemented. Halo changed the industry, and yes, it doesn't deserve perfect scores, because it is no where near being a perfect franchise, but darn can it be fun. Fun factor is what matters the most when it comes to video games.

Also, I wasn't giving Halo credit for Xbox Live. I was complimenting its online and mentioning how most shooters today use a Halo-esque matchmaking system. Online multiplayer is in fact, a game mode. It IS a component of the game, regardless of what service it uses to get the job done. It's part of the game as a whole and is included when games get rated. Leaving a game mode out of an analysis for a game is just stupid, why you're even arguing that you can't say a game is great because of the online is just...beyond me. Not to offend, but that really makes no sense at all. Online Multiplayer is standard nowadays, just saying.

About my dual analog comment. The reason I even made that comment is because before Halo came along, console FPS's were held down by extremely dreadful controls. I love GoldenEye and Perfect Dark but the control schemes for both games are simply terrible.

The point of everything I'm saying is, is that Halo definitely is overrated, but fun. It has a place in the industry, has done a lot for the industry(good or bad), and probably isn't going anywhere anytime soon.

The Halo series was an amazing new fps when it first came out. In the past years it has definetly not been overrated with adding a new campaign and modes to every new game. But iwth the upcoming release of halo odst (i preorderd today), halo reach, and a halo anime, it seems as if Bungie is milking the franchise for all its worth, which i don't really approve of.

Quote from: Mutilator<Seven> on August 18, 2009, 08:28:43 PM
The Halo series was an amazing new fps when it first came out. In the past years it has definetly not been overrated with adding a new campaign and modes to every new game. But iwth the upcoming release of halo odst (i preorderd today), halo reach, and a halo anime, it seems as if Bungie is milking the franchise for all its worth, which i don't really approve of.

I'm not sure you understand what it means for something to be "overrated". Also, don't put the blame on Bungie for milking the franchise. It's all Microsoft's doing. Halo Reach is going to be Bungie's last Halo game.

All of this discussion is good food for thought, but I propose another question, as an add-on. I recommend you vote and discuss the original question first though. Anyway, here it is:

Halo 3 is obviously not a perfect game. But why? What keeps it from getting a 10 out of 10? You can also give it your rating of the game on a scale of 0 to 10. Increments of 0.25 (i.e. 5.25, 5.5, 5.75) are acceptable. Use specific examples from the text to support your reasoning. _{lol school is dumb} This is strictly talking of Halo 3 as a game all its own. Not the other Halo games or the influence Halo 3 has had on the video gaming industry.

I can't really think of anything majorly wrong with it. The few things that are are minor glitches, lag compensation (or lack thereof, I still must research this), small difficulties in online play (once people quit, their places cannot be filled during the match), etc. The graphics are great, the sound is great, the gameplay is great, and the story is decent. Plus, there's actually some replay value even playing the campaign mode by yourself. And of course the Forge and Theater add much more to the game. With these things in mind, as well as solid downloadable content (speaking of the map packs), I think Halo 3 deserves 9.75 out of 10.

ugh...decimal ratings. These types of ratings are always unnecessary when rating just about anything. I shouldn't even have to explain why. A simple 1 to 5 or 1 to 10 scale is fine.

Halo 3 is indeed a great game, however it just isn't a perfect game. It is by no means a near perfect game either. Why? I'll explain and digest comments you made to boot.

First and foremost, something you mentioned about the online multiplayer bugged me, me being a Halo vet and all. When people quit in an online match, how exactly do you expect the places to be filled? Furthermore, I need to clarify that it isn't even a bad thing when people quit on your team. You still have a few advantages if you and your remaining team members are good enough. Namely, you're outnumbered. In Halo 2 and 3 that is an amazing advantage. Why? Your opponents typically have less opportunities to increase their score. They encounter your team less frequently, resulting in a lower score usually, typically if your team is better than theirs over all. A single elite MLG player can usually take on an entire 5 man team. Just two MLG's is all you need for a big team match for example. Now I'm not exactly anywhere near MLG level, but I manage to win matches where my teammates quit more often than not. This is common knowledge in MLG and if you want sources, I could get my buddy John Wang to register an account here to further comment on how it works.

Finally, the game. The single player experience is mundane. The plot is sub-par and predictable. The graphics,  controls, vehicles, and weapons are great. The online multiplayer: The single reason to play this game. That's about it really. All of the options you have that I mentioned in an earlier post make this the most versatile Live game, hands down.

In the end, the game is great but that's all it gets. Glitches are unavoidable with any game and none in this game are too serious. So from me, it gets an 8 out of 10. It isn't near perfect. Play any PC FPS like System Shock or Half-Life and you'll realize that right away.

Quote from: Back to TerribleFrog on August 18, 2009, 09:56:15 PM
...the gameplay is great, and the story is decent. Plus, there's actually some replay value even playing the campaign mode by yourself...

Quote from: Zero on August 18, 2009, 10:18:21 PM
...  The single player experience is mundane. The plot is sub-par and predictable...

So apparently, the game's only problem is a matter of opinion over the single player, rather than any more factual annoyance like bad frame rate, low weapon and stage variety, etc?  I'd say that's pretty great, not "by no means near perfect."  Nine-point-something out of ten.

Also, to my knowledge Halo is the first FPS to get Vehicle control right and make it fun.
Vehicles ar still fun to drive and blow up still.
And Halo 2's multiplayer is what pretty much got Xbox live popular, if you think about it. It was the highest selling original Xbox game....

for the 360, Modern warfare baets Halo in terms of numbers of people, but halo 3 is still and excellent game and is so much fun to play with a big party.

You havn't truly expierienced Halo 3 until you have played Infection with a bunch of friends. Way too much fun.

Quote from: Zero on August 18, 2009, 09:53:26 PM
I'm not sure you understand what it means for something to be "overrated". Also, don't put the blame on Bungie for milking the franchise. It's all Microsoft's doing. Halo Reach is going to be Bungie's last Halo game.

I know exactly what it means when something is overrated. It means that it is appraised highly when it shouldn't be. And yes, the series is not overrated because every game adds something new to the halo experience. ODST's firefight mode should accomplish this and hopefully reach will have something worthwhile it's too soon to tell. An overrated game to me is something that just keeps putting out new games in the series without adding anything significantly better to the other games in the franchise. And no i'm not leaning towards call of duty even though their latest installment isn't exactly groundbreaking. Maybe a series like guitar hero, all these new games and they are all the same.

Quote from: Mutilator<Seven> on August 19, 2009, 10:17:11 AM
I know exactly what it means when something is overrated. It means that it is appraised highly when it shouldn't be. And yes, the series is not overrated because every game adds something new to the halo experience. ODST's firefight mode should accomplish this and hopefully reach will have something worthwhile it's too soon to tell. An overrated game to me is something that just keeps putting out new games in the series without adding anything significantly better to the other games in the franchise. And no i'm not leaning towards call of duty even though their latest installment isn't exactly groundbreaking. Maybe a series like guitar hero, all these new games and they are all the same.

lol you looked up the definition and then supported why you think the series isn't overrated by saying it adds new content. A franchise that gets milked isn't necessarily overrated. It isn't related at all. At all. You still don't understand why the Halo series is overrated. An overrated game is just a game that gets worshiped for curing cancer and causing world peace when in reality all it does is entertain you and spit in your face afterward. Your reasoning for why the Halo series isn't overrated falls incredibly short and flops.

Halo IS overrated. You can't get around that, mainly because there are people that worship the game like it was blessed upon the Earth by gods.

@SmashBro25:

No, once again. It's a matter of experience. You know a good FPS campaign if you've played through the Half-Life series, Serious Sam series, or System Shock series. Halo 1's campaign was the only campaign to even come close to that. Halo 2's campaign was pretty fun but the story elements dragged it down. In Halo 3, the stages are incredibly mundane and there are not any enemies that are interesting to fight, not to mention that there is only 1 boss and you cannot even call it a boss for crying out loud. The enemy AI ranges from excellent to downright stupid, it can never make up its mind and the ally AI is probably the stupidest I've ever encountered in a video game.  Halo 3's campaign is terrible by yourself, but pretty fun with 3 friends. Friends can make just about anything fun.

Halo has never really been groundbreaking, and honestly, what makes it more apparent is that Call of Duty is overtaking Halo's popularity.

Fact is: The game was rushed. Microsoft probably should have let Bungie take their time with it.

Quote from: Zero on August 19, 2009, 11:01:39 AM
lol you looked up the definition and then supported why you think the series isn't overrated by saying it adds new content. A franchise that gets milked isn't necessarily overrated. It isn't related at all. At all. You still don't understand why the Halo series is overrated. An overrated game is just a game that gets worshiped for curing cancer and causing world peace when in reality all it does is entertain you and spit in your face afterward. Your reasoning for why the Halo series isn't overrated falls incredibly short and flops.

My reason for halo being overrated flops when yours is that "all it does is entertain you". That is the whole purpose of a video game, to entertain you and give you a fun time. I never said the game was overrated because it was milked, i just showed my opinion on microsft/bungie milking it. The standpoint of a game being overrated because it is worshipped by fanboys isn't that firm because only that particular group of people truly think that about halo. I understand your wording about curing cancer and world peace as a way that some people think halo is the game. But whether or not the game is overrated is really what you look for and like in a game. I've never felt halo has "spit in my face" because i know what it is and accept that, it's an average fps that is fun to play with friends.

Quote from: Zero on August 19, 2009, 11:01:39 AM
Halo 3's campaign is terrible by yourself, but pretty fun with 3 friends. Friends can make just about anything fun.

I agree with you there, the campaign is incredibly short and doesn't get you connected to characters like a good story does. The marines are a joke as in the AI is pretty bad, once you put those skulls on the enemys actually know what they're doing though.

Quote from: Mutilator<Seven> on August 19, 2009, 11:15:56 AM
My reason for halo being overrated flops when yours is that "all it does is entertain you". That is the whole purpose of a video game, to entertain you and give you a fun time. I never said the game was overrated because it was milked, i just showed my opinion on microsft/bungie milking it. The standpoint of a game being overrated because it is worshipped by fanboys isn't that firm because only that particular group of people truly think that about halo. I understand your wording about curing cancer and world peace as a way that some people think halo is the game. But whether or not the game is overrated is really what you look for and like in a game. I've never felt halo has "spit in my face" because i know what it is and accept that, it's an average fps that is fun to play with friends.

I agree with you there, the campaign is incredibly short and doesn't get you connected to characters like a good story does. The marines are a joke as in the AI is pretty bad, once you put those skulls on the enemys actually know what they're doing though.

@Bold: Average does not deserve a near perfect score. People look over all of the flaws Halo has just because of its online capability. That isn't how you analyze a game.

You said and I quote "An overrated game to me is something that just keeps putting out new games in the series without adding anything significantly better to the other games in the franchise." Hence why I related your milking comment to it. That isn't what overrated means, at all.

Also, once again. Don't blame bungie for the milking of Halo. They're talented developers and know they can do so much more than just Halo games, which is why they aren't a part of Microsoft Studios anymore. Reach is the last Bungie developed Halo game.

At any rate, I'm not about to repeat my points over and over. Halo is an overrated franchise but it deserves its place in the industry.

idrgafatp

We should all just give up and agree that Infinity Ward > Bungie?

Halo is fun and all, but where it falls short seems to be variety in my opinion.
Guns aren't new and interesting, online modes need some tweaking especially in the filling-in-of-drop outs department (spoiled by Domination D:), and in general Halo is carried by its vehicles.

It is one of the only games to my knowledge that uses vehicles in a fun and mostly balanced way. Otherwise, it is like any other FPS.

Fun, but not best game ever.
MW2 will hold that spot, :P

Quote from: Zero on August 18, 2009, 10:18:21 PM
ugh...decimal ratings. These types of ratings are always unnecessary when rating just about anything. I shouldn't even have to explain why. A simple 1 to 5 or 1 to 10 scale is fine.

Halo 3 is indeed a great game, however it just isn't a perfect game. It is by no means a near perfect game either. Why? I'll explain and digest comments you made to boot.

First and foremost, something you mentioned about the online multiplayer bugged me, me being a Halo vet and all. When people quit in an online match, how exactly do you expect the places to be filled? Furthermore, I need to clarify that it isn't even a bad thing when people quit on your team. You still have a few advantages if you and your remaining team members are good enough. Namely, you're outnumbered. In Halo 2 and 3 that is an amazing advantage. Why? Your opponents typically have less opportunities to increase their score. They encounter your team less frequently, resulting in a lower score usually, typically if your team is better than theirs over all. A single elite MLG player can usually take on an entire 5 man team. Just two MLG's is all you need for a big team match for example. Now I'm not exactly anywhere near MLG level, but I manage to win matches where my teammates quit more often than not. This is common knowledge in MLG and if you want sources, I could get my buddy John Wang to register an account here to further comment on how it works.

Finally, the game. The single player experience is mundane. The plot is sub-par and predictable. The graphics,  controls, vehicles, and weapons are great. The online multiplayer: The single reason to play this game. That's about it really. All of the options you have that I mentioned in an earlier post make this the most versatile Live game, hands down.

In the end, the game is great but that's all it gets. Glitches are unavoidable with any game and none in this game are too serious. So from me, it gets an 8 out of 10. It isn't near perfect. Play any PC FPS like System Shock or Half-Life and you'll realize that right away.

For your complaint about decimal ratings, I wanted to give people the chance to be as accurate as possible in their rating of Halo 3. I deliberately made it like this so that it could be essentially a 0 to 1,000 scale in increments of 25. You may find it unneeded, but it's for the benefit of others, and I don't see how complaining about it solves anything either. We didn't need to know about your opinion of decimal rating systems. That isn't what this thread is about. Then again, neither is this, but I'm just calling you on this to give you a bit of advice (hopefully you'll take it as it was given). Please don't make a big deal out of this particular comment.

Anyway, to your comment on filling places and the tactical advantages of being outnumbered, thank you for sharing, but I'm pretty sure nearly everyone, if not all in this thread, has been aware of that. It's common knowledge not just to MLG's, but to just about every right-minded gamer. It would be helpful, anyway, to have the places filled in the case of a "Slayer" game in the Social Big Team playlist. Call of Duty: World at War allows players to join matches even after they've started so that they may fill the places of those who disconnected for whatever reason, eliminating the unpredictable chance of using an advantage such as being outnumbered. Also, since not every player is able to take advantage of this circumstance (lack of skill being a common reason), it's better left out of online play, which I believe influenced Call of Duty's online play into making this distinction from Halo 3's.

Also, I wasn't talking about the plot of campaign mode so much, I just meant the gameplay. Besides, I just think it's average, hence the usage of the word "decent". Even so, it's just an opinion.

And please, let up a little. You can't force your opinion on others. You may not mean to, but it very much looks like it. The most you can say is "Halo 3 is overrated", but all you're really saying (or are able to say for that matter) is "I think Halo 3 is overrated". You can't prove that it's overrated because it's an opinion.

Quote from: Back to TerribleFrog on August 19, 2009, 06:50:06 PM
For your complaint about decimal ratings, I wanted to give people the chance to be as accurate as possible in their rating of Halo 3. I deliberately made it like this so that it could be essentially a 0 to 1,000 scale in increments of 25. You may find it unneeded, but it's for the benefit of others, and I don't see how complaining about it solves anything either. We didn't need to know about your opinion of decimal rating systems. That isn't what this thread is about. Then again, neither is this, but I'm just calling you on this to give you a bit of advice (hopefully you'll take it as it was given). Please don't make a big deal out of this particular comment.

Anyway, to your comment on filling places and the tactical advantages of being outnumbered, thank you for sharing, but I'm pretty sure nearly everyone, if not all in this thread, has been aware of that. It's common knowledge not just to MLG's, but to just about every right-minded gamer. It would be helpful, anyway, to have the places filled in the case of a "Slayer" game in the Social Big Team playlist. Call of Duty: World at War allows players to join matches even after they've started so that they may fill the places of those who disconnected for whatever reason, eliminating the unpredictable chance of using an advantage such as being outnumbered. Also, since not every player is able to take advantage of this circumstance (lack of skill being a common reason), it's better left out of online play, which I believe influenced Call of Duty's online play into making this distinction from Halo 3's.

Also, I wasn't talking about the plot of campaign mode so much, I just meant the gameplay. Besides, I just think it's average, hence the usage of the word "decent". Even so, it's just an opinion.

And please, let up a little. You can't force your opinion on others. You may not mean to, but it very much looks like it. The most you can say is "Halo 3 is overrated", but all you're really saying (or are able to say for that matter) is "I think Halo 3 is overrated". You can't prove that it's overrated because it's an opinion.

I lol'd. You must not have encountered anyone that has forced their opinion on others before. I certainly am not doing it. I'm just telling you like it is. I personally don't overrate Halo, as you can plainly see by my evaluation of the flaws the game has. Halo, however, is overrated by a majority of the gaming community and therefore is an overrated game overall. The game simply does not deserve a perfect rating, because it is not a perfect game. When someone says "that game is overrated", they're talking about how hundreds of thousands of people think its perfect overall, even when there are tons of flaws with the game that keep it from being a perfect game. Do you think Final Fantasy VII is overrated? Case in point. Final Fantasy VII is overrated to living hell by a vast majority of people. Therefore it overall is an overrated game. Is it a bad game? Of course not, but people sure think its perfect, even when there are hundreds of flaws with it. You have to understand the meaning of "perfection" before you can fully understand what it means for something to be overrated.

and lol @ my "complaining" as you put it. Again, telling it like it is. Decimal rating systems are unneeded because what in the hell signifies the difference between an 8.0 and an 8.25? Nothing. It's just incredibly stupid. It's why most game critics do not use a scale like that(IGN does lololololol and we all know how that turns out most of the time; ex: God Hand's infamous 3.0 rating).

If people were aware of my MLG comments, then why did M7 complain about being outnumbered? My point exactly. I made the comments more so to him than to anyone else.

"Also, I wasn't talking about the plot of campaign mode so much, I just meant the gameplay. Besides, I just think it's average, hence the usage of the word "decent". Even so, it's just an opinion."

Yeah I'm starting to remember why I don't come here much anymore.

Alright, let me get this straight. You're trying to review Halo 3 has a whole, and gave it a 9.75 out of 10. Which, may I remind you, is a rating that should be saved for games that are "near perfection". Yet you were not talking about the campaign mode "so much", "just the gameplay". You also believe the campaign is "average".

...

:/

I'm done. If no one can comprehend what I'm saying then there really isn't any point in debating this further. I was praying for some intelligent life here since SmashR is down again but it really looks like I've hit rock bottom with this forum.

Quote from: Zero on August 20, 2009, 06:59:28 AM
I'm done. If no one can comprehend what I'm saying then there really isn't any point in debating this further. I was praying for some intelligent life here since.

I haven't seen a single unintelligent post on this thread. I think we all are comprehending what you and others are saying and replying with our views.

Quote from: Zero on August 20, 2009, 06:59:28 AM
I lol'd. You must not have encountered anyone that has forced their opinion on others before. I certainly am not doing it. I'm just telling you like it is. I personally don't overrate Halo, as you can plainly see by my evaluation of the flaws the game has. Halo, however, is overrated by a majority of the gaming community and therefore is an overrated game overall. The game simply does not deserve a perfect rating, because it is not a perfect game. When someone says "that game is overrated", they're talking about how hundreds of thousands of people think its perfect overall, even when there are tons of flaws with the game that keep it from being a perfect game. Do you think Final Fantasy VII is overrated? Case in point. Final Fantasy VII is overrated to living hell by a vast majority of people. Therefore it overall is an overrated game. Is it a bad game? Of course not, but people sure think its perfect, even when there are hundreds of flaws with it. You have to understand the meaning of "perfection" before you can fully understand what it means for something to be overrated.

and lol @ my "complaining" as you put it. Again, telling it like it is. Decimal rating systems are unneeded because what in the hell signifies the difference between an 8.0 and an 8.25? Nothing. It's just incredibly stupid. It's why most game critics do not use a scale like that(IGN does lololololol and we all know how that turns out most of the time; ex: God Hand's infamous 3.0 rating).

If people were aware of my MLG comments, then why did M7 complain about being outnumbered? My point exactly. I made the comments more so to him than to anyone else.

"Also, I wasn't talking about the plot of campaign mode so much, I just meant the gameplay. Besides, I just think it's average, hence the usage of the word "decent". Even so, it's just an opinion."

Yeah I'm starting to remember why I don't come here much anymore.

Alright, let me get this straight. You're trying to review Halo 3 has a whole, and gave it a 9.75 out of 10. Which, may I remind you, is a rating that should be saved for games that are "near perfection". Yet you were not talking about the campaign mode "so much", "just the gameplay". You also believe the campaign is "average".

...

:/

I'm done. If no one can comprehend what I'm saying then there really isn't any point in debating this further. I was praying for some intelligent life here since SmashR is down again but it really looks like I've hit rock bottom with this forum.

To your MLG comments, I guess it's okay, since they were directed at a user who wasn't "in the know" about this (no offense). But still, he probably knew about it anyway, and, like I said, isn't able to take advantage of that situation.

About forcing your opinion, if you want to "tell it like it is", then you must present your statement as a fact. The Halo series is overrated by some, but not by all, therefore it's not a fact that it's overrated. If it were, then everyone would have to be overrating it, and then no one would see it as an overrating anyway, in which case it would not be overrated, making it impossible for this to be a fact. You can say that many people overrate the Halo series, and that would be acceptable and be a fact. However, your opinion is not a fact; no one's is. I understand that you think Halo 3 is overrated yet still a good game, but you can't tell someone that in a way that makes other believe that you're telling them that it's overrated and that their opinion is wrong. Like I said before, opinions are not facts, and therefore can't be right, wrong, proven, or dis-proven.

Yes, I think the campaign is average, and that's one of the reasons why Halo 3 isn't a perfect game. That's why it deserves 9.75 out of 10 in my opinion. Everything that is wrong with Halo 3, in my opinion, amounts to only a 0.25 reduction from its rating, resulting in a 9.75. If I were to use a five star rating system, I would rate it a 4 and a half out of 5 (if that's allowed). If no half-stars are allowed, then I would have to rate it a 5 out of 5, signifying that it is a perfect game, even though it is not. It deserves more than a 4 out of 5 star rating though, so this isn't the most accurate rating system available.

The decimal rating system is efficient though, because it allows people to give a very accurate expression of their review. Let's say you're buying something at a yard sale (in which no tax is involved). The item you are trying to purchase costs exactly $10. If you have only $9.99, and the seller is not willing to "haggle" the price any lower, you can't buy that item. You would need one more cent. It's a small difference, but it's enough to make a difference. To your question about what signifies the difference between 8.0 and 8.25, the difference is 0.25, but I'm sure you have a calculator and/or a brain to figure out things of that sort. If you can't figure out the significance that that has in the way people that feel about their video games, then maybe you don't have either.

In closing, I daresay you've insulted everyone at this forum in your closing statement. If you can't handle a friendly discussion with a "newbie" (and formerly "n00b") forum user, either kindly remove yourself from the discussion (not necessarily the thread), or "grow a pair", as I was once told by a rather "friendly" _{(hint, hint)} moderator.

Halo 1 - A great, fine-crafted FPS game that made console FPS a household name.

Halo 2 - Not too great, but fun online.

Halo 3 - Great co-op, mediocre story, mediocre online, and extremely over hyped.

Overall, the series is pretty good.  Overrated, but that doesn't mean it's not good.

Overrated?  Of course.

But, Halo DID have some revolutionary moments.

And it's still fun.

So, yeah, you can bash it for being overrated, having it's own flaws, but it's still fun anyways.  It's hard to truly hate on it.

Everything popular is overrated. This is a simple truth.

Halo is still fun as hell though.

I played multiplayer for an entire night once. I'd say it's fun enough to warrent the scores.

Campaign halo 3 sucked tbqh

and i mean

sucked.

at least in comparison to Halo 2, in my opinion.  And I've never played the original Halo.


but the games are made for multiplayer, right?  I haven't played enough Halo 3 multiplayer to talk about it (even though I own the game), but Halo 2's multiplayer was great.  Too bad that for LAN parties the setup was so ridiculously moronic.

Quote from: Jono2 on September 01, 2009, 08:13:46 PM
Campaign halo 3 sucked tbqh

and i mean

sucked.

at least in comparison to Halo 2, in my opinion.  And I've never played the original Halo.


but the games are made for multiplayer, right?  I haven't played enough Halo 3 multiplayer to talk about it (even though I own the game), but Halo 2's multiplayer was great.  Too bad that for LAN parties the setup was so ridiculously moronic.

The original halo is a cool guy eh has master chief and doesn't afraid of anything.

No, but seriously, the original Halo was cool.  The weapons in future games were nerfed (mostly in terms of ammo capacity.)

Halo 3 multiplayer is pretty fun if you can get over the fact that the battle rifle is waaaaay too overpowered this time around.

is it?  The noob combo (BR & PP) was OP in halo 2, if you were at a decent range.  Otherwise, the BR was two chest shots, half of a chest half of a head for a kill, if i remember correctly (it might have been 3, then one up towards the head)).

The Pistol was hardcore in the original, I remember that.  I played halo trial, and if the weapons were unchanged, then yes, the pistol was OP lol

i think it just sucks.

Only after Halo 1.

Halo 2 was poopty, and while Halo 3 was a step in the right direction, it still didn't match the amazing level of Halo 1.

tbqh i find halo 3 to be incredibly boring.  I can only ever stand to play it with friends, and the whole way it works just irks me.  Random spawn placement, spawning while surrounded by enemies, autolock aim, spawn camping, tons of nades...

I just can't go back after TF2 :\

Quote from: Jono2 on September 14, 2009, 01:21:08 PM
autolock aim, spawn camping, tons of nades...

I just can't go back after TF2 :\

You know can turn off auto-lock aim right? Also, I haven't encountered much spawn camping in any Halo, and grenades aren't too much of a problem for me.

But yeah, TF2 is much better ;D.