Ok, i've been getting slammed by school lately. AP subjects are starting to get annoying so im switching to IB next year.
This also got in the way of my Fanfic partner editing with a friend of mine and my own works.
They are hard classes, but they are worth it for colleges.
EDIT: IB classes give more credits for college than AP for some reason :|
What do you think?
Definitely worth it. I'm a second year student technically because of the credits transferred over. I really still need to get on with transferring my history credit too...
I'm taking all AP classes next year, but they aren't anything special. The good schools don't even look at AP test scores these days. Right now all the AP classes are flooded with people who probably shouldn't be there, but then again that's probably why I'm in so many.
I'm doing AP Global History right now, taking APUSH next year, doing AP Chem, AP Writing, and if it exists, AP English in my Senior year.
Quote from: Cornwad on March 29, 2010, 10:09:51 AM
I'm taking all AP classes next year, but they aren't anything special. The good schools don't even look at AP test scores these days. Right now all the AP classes are flooded with people who probably shouldn't be there, but then again that's probably why I'm in so many.
Bull intercourse ing poop.
If you do well across the board in AP, it looks darn impressive to colleges.
Quote from: Friendly Hostile on March 29, 2010, 11:48:52 AM
Bull intercourse ing poop.
If you do well across the board in AP, it looks darn impressive to colleges.
If you do well in any class it looks good. AP is the new honors. If you don't get into AP classes you're a slacker.
It's not so much that being in AP helps as it is that
not being in AP hurts.
Grades shouldn't be everything, intercourse the education system.
I wish I had dropped APUS. I did good on the AP Test, but the class sucked. -_- AP English is okay though.
Quote from: えっちーせんぱい on March 29, 2010, 06:15:21 PM
Grades shouldn't be everything, intercourse the education system.
i know what you're saying. There are people out there that had straight A's, and their bosses are people who got C's maybe D's.
You just need to be a good person in general and have connections. 95% of the time you will be backed down if you're bad with people
Quote from: AcerChris on March 29, 2010, 07:46:36 PM
i know what you're saying. There are people out there that had straight A's, and their bosses are people who got C's maybe D's.
You just need to be a good person in general and have connections. 95% of the time you will be backed down if you're bad with people
But to be fair,
most people who get Cs and Ds tend to end up having jobs that you would expect such a person to have. A person with good grades isn't necessarily 'smart', but it shows that they're willing to get work done.
I hardly have any time at all, recently. AP Eng Lit, AP Macro, Calc BC, and AP Physics have been wearing me out.
I suppose it is nice to know that I'm not the only one overworked. I did choose this path though, so whatever. Spring Break starts on Wednesday, thank god.
AP is just for over achievers. All I've seen it do is give you more homework to complain about. The classes I take now is probably going to get me into the college I want.
AP classes are the epitome of evil. I know humans do some depraved poop, but I didn't know they could do this.
I'm really disappointed that I didn't even come close to achieving AP scholar in my junior year though ;_;
Quote from: L10 on March 29, 2010, 09:06:20 PM
AP is just for over achievers. All I've seen it do is give you more homework to complain about. The classes I take now is probably going to get me into the college I want.
Uh hi, I get to finish college before everyone else in my class, meaning I pay less in tuition. Or at the very least, have some room to play around with if I want to take it slow.
Quote from: Friendly Hostile on March 29, 2010, 11:27:10 PM
Uh hi, I get to finish college before everyone else in my class, meaning I pay less in tuition. Or at the very least, have some room to play around with if I want to take it slow.
And this kids, is why you want to take AP classes.
Then you can slack off while you slack off.
Quote from: Friendly Hostile on March 29, 2010, 11:27:10 PM
Uh hi, I get to finish college before everyone else in my class, meaning I pay less in tuition. Or at the very least, have some room to play around with if I want to take it slow.
Everyone else probably has those AP credits too, so you have no real advantage. And that has nothing to do with being accepted by colleges anyway. If nobody else in your school took AP classes, it can't be a very good one. AP classes just put you on the same level as everyone else, like I said before.
Quote from: Cornwad on March 30, 2010, 11:56:23 AM
Everyone else probably has those AP credits too, so you have no real advantage. And that has nothing to do with being accepted by colleges anyway. If nobody else in your school took AP classes, it can't be a very good one. AP classes just put you on the same level as everyone else, like I said before.
Actually, no they don't. Very few people here actually get the full AP credit, because they didn't go for the 4 or 5 in the class. Anyone can take AP classes. Few people actually get the credit for them. Why? Because you have to work your ass off to get a 4 or 5, and even then there's a chance that you might not get the course credit for it. However, by simply taking an AP course, you tell colleges you're willing to go for that extra work and effort to excel. So even if you do poorly on the AP standards, you at least tried, and that says a great deal to colleges, certainly more than the kid who got 100s by coasting through by taking all the easy classes. Colleges want students that are willing to apply themselves and work hard, and AP/IB is a good demonstration of that attribute.
A good deal of colleges don't even look at AP scores nowadays because anybody can get into an AP class. What matters the most is getting an A in the class, but like I said that has nothing to do with the AP. I guess what I'm trying to say is that AP classes aren't anything special, they're just another class. The name Advanced Placement is a lie. And you can fail the class and still get a good score on the AP test by the way. Standardized tests are always easy. In a few years SAT scores won't carry much weight either.
Can I say that most of the credits I get next year can probably get transferred. I only need like a credit and a half(well 2 and a half, one of my extra credits is going towards English though) to graduate high school, the rest is up for grabs, if I took any more classes for next year I'd be in night school.
oh look, haven't taken a step into an AP class, I guess I got lucky and was able to go to a CTEC
Quote from: L10 on March 30, 2010, 12:52:02 PM
oh look, haven't taken a step into an AP class, I guess I got lucky and was able to go to a CTEC
The California Tax Education Council?
Quote from: Friendly Hostile on March 30, 2010, 03:59:51 PM
The California Tax Education Council?
Career & Technical Education
I spend half my school day there for a class and I get a bunch of credits for it, and my school is allowed to do whatever they want with the credits.
Quote from: Cornwad on March 30, 2010, 12:36:36 PM
A good deal of colleges don't even look at AP scores nowadays because anybody can get into an AP class. What matters the most is getting an A in the class, but like I said that has nothing to do with the AP. I guess what I'm trying to say is that AP classes aren't anything special, they're just another class. The name Advanced Placement is a lie. And you can fail the class and still get a good score on the AP test by the way. Standardized tests are always easy. In a few years SAT scores won't carry much weight either.
You don't know what you're talking about, lol.
Quote from: Zero on March 30, 2010, 05:58:27 PM
You don't know what you're talking about, lol.
I assure you I do. I'm an expert on this kind of thing.
Quote from: Cornwad on March 30, 2010, 06:06:47 PM
I assure you I do. I'm an expert on this kind of thing.
Considering the only ones in my school that are going to the University of Florida, which is the best school in my state, are the ones that take AP classes, no, you don't know jack poop. Colleges still care about that crap, which is why they ACCEPT AP credit. Hell IVY league schools certainly care about that poop.
Again, you don't know what you're talking about. I can't vouch for any other school but my school's AP classes certainly don't fit with the misconceptions being blabbered around in this thread. All the teachers are former college teachers that treat the class AS IF it were a college class, hence why you get COLLEGE CREDIT for getting a high score on the AP Exams. We follow college curriculum and abide by their standards.
While I agree that the AP name doesn't necessarily fit, the difficulty in these classes are far higher than that of "on-level" classes.
I get out of college sooner than most of you would, because I'm basically in college half of the time right now. I'm not sure why you or anyone else wouldn't see that as an advantage to taking AP Classes.
Your school must suck dick
No need for name calling. Now I don't know anything about Florida, but up here in the North East we have different standards for education. I can say with confidence that at least half of the students in my school are taking at least one AP class, and they're going to better places than the University of Florida. Maybe its because I live in a better area, but AP classes are the norm where I am. You can't just go around saying you know about education when you live in Florida. Do some research next time before you go around acting like you know what's what.
blegh, I have to type this out again because of the dumb server...ok...
No offence, but from what I understand the education down in Florida is pretty bad. Like what would normally get you an A down there, would be the equivalent of a C up here.
In fact, a couple of months ago, my Chem teacher was saying how bad she felt for the kids down south that get such terrible education.
And where I go on vacation, they have about the worst school in the nation, and trust me, it probably is, I've seen it up close in the teens down there(talking about (North)Myrtle Beach now)
Quote from: Cornwad on March 30, 2010, 12:36:36 PM
A good deal of colleges don't even look at AP scores nowadays because anybody can get into an AP class. What matters the most is getting an A in the class, but like I said that has nothing to do with the AP. I guess what I'm trying to say is that AP classes aren't anything special, they're just another class. The name Advanced Placement is a lie. And you can fail the class and still get a good score on the AP test by the way. Standardized tests are always easy. In a few years SAT scores won't carry much weight either.
I gotta disagree with universities not caring about SATs. The only time when they don't care is if you submit a 2250+ to an Ivy League school or some other top tier university (Stanford being the big one) because they're scouting for ECs because everybody looks the same. Also, on the side, what did you get on your SATs? It should be pretty high because it's an easy test, right?
Also, the "A" in AP classes does not matter the most. I could, for example, ace my AP Biology class but bomb the test and get a 2. The score of the exam validates the grade earned; it levels the playing field for everybody (because I sure hope you don't think A's aren't subjective). I fail to see how the AP class is merely "another class." If I went off in a regular biology class talking about the function of the various Igs, immunoglobins, and mast cell complexes of the immune system, how many of them would get it straight off the bat? If I talked about the PLA's effects on the CCP Politburo, Guan Xi, and standing committees, how many government students would understand the intricacies within? AP is a whole new level geared for those who aren't satisfied with just knowing that things work; they want to know how it works. For you to label AP classes as "just another class" is extremely myopic and not thought out at all.
Oh, and returning to the idea that standardized tests are easy, I compiled a short list of pass rates in the most commonly taken AP classes.
Calculus AB: 60%
Calculus BC: 80% (keep in mind Calc BC is basically AB + series)
Biology: 61%
Chemistry: 65%
Physics B: 61%
Literature: 60%
European History: 66%
US History: 53%
World History: 54%
US Government/Politics: 56%
Pretty darn easy, huh?
QuoteYou can't just go around saying you know about education when you live in Florida.
HEY YOU LIVE IN A DIFFERENT REGION THAT NORMALLY DOESN'T HAVE GOOD SCHOOLS THEREFORE I WILL JUDGE YOU AND MAKE UNQUALIFIED REMARKS ABOUT YOUR TOTAL LACK OF KNOWLEDGE ON THE SUBJECT BECAUSE YOU OBVIOUSLY DON'T GET AN INTERNET CONNECTION DOWN THERE
Like I said, I guess I have a different experience from living in the area I do. Let's say I'm in a race and my car has a special engine that makes me much faster than the rest of the cars. I have an advantage. If most of the other cars have the same exact engine, I lose my advantage. It helps, but it helps everyone else too. AP classes aren't about learning so much as they are about passing a test. You gave the example of a science class. I have heard many teachers recommending an honors science class because it covers the material more extensively than the AP class. The AP class needs to cover all the material on the test, while the honors class can go more in-depth because they don't have to worry about a test. In that way, the AP class is actually worse for people who just want to learn. Of course I take all AP classes, but that's because I want to stay on the same level as everyone else.
Sorry about the block of text, I hate reading those too.
QuoteLike I said, I guess I have a different experience from living in the area I do.
Hi, I live in California and my school is surrounded by the land of the Asians (I'm Asian too but w/e). Seriously, getting a scholarship out here is like getting a glass of ice water in hell. There are so many junior AP Scholars it's ridiculous.
Quote. You gave the example of a science class. I have heard many teachers recommending an honors science class because it covers the material more extensively than the AP class. The AP class needs to cover all the material on the test, while the honors class can go more in-depth because they don't have to worry about a test.
Wait so the few weeks after the exam is for doing meth? Cool.
I also request a response as to how standardized tests are easy, especially those crafted by College Board. My arguments are in the post you responded to. In addition, hopefully you will rescind the following:
QuoteYou can't just go around saying you know about education when you live in Florida.
I guess I can't speak for everyone on the tests subject. I guess I'm just full of so much genius that the tests are not a challenge. But really, what other answer were you expecting?
Once the test is already over there is no point to going back and restudying things. The subject was probably initially focused on so long ago that some of the knowledge was lost in the time gap. You would then need to review which would waste more time. You would only be able to cover one or two subjects in more depth.
And about that last part, he posted nonsensical hate speech at the end of his post, so I put some in mine. It's only fair.
QuoteI guess I can't speak for everyone on the tests subject. I guess I'm just full of so much genius that the tests are not a challenge. But really, what other answer were you expecting?
I wasn't expecting an answer.
QuoteOnce the test is already over there is no point to going back and restudying things. The subject was probably initially focused on so long ago that some of the knowledge was lost in the time gap. You would then need to review which would waste more time. You would only be able to cover one or two subjects in more depth.
I forgot what majors were for. Granted, stuff like AP European History drains pretty quickly, but overall AP exposes you to a great variety of subjects. Why do you think many colleges don't let you declare a major until after your freshman year? With AP, you get to skip that freshman year because all of the credits earned told you what you really wanted to become.
QuoteNo need for name calling
QuoteAnd about that last part, he posted nonsensical hate speech at the end of his post, so I put some in mine. It's only fair.
Hmmm
As far as I'm concerned, high school is just for getting you into a college and providing you some basic knowledge. AP doesn't really show what you want to do. I know I don't want to be a historian or whatever a person who studies English does, but I and a lot of people who don't still take the class because you need it to be considered by a college.
The part about Asians making it hard to get scholarships shows how AP classes hurt more than they help. And they do help, just not as much as they should.
And the last part wasn't needed, but it doesn't make me any less right.
Quote from: Cornwad on March 30, 2010, 10:41:39 PM
As far as I'm concerned, high school is just for getting you into a college and providing you some basic knowledge. AP doesn't really show what you want to do. I know I don't want to be a historian or whatever a person who studies English does, but I and a lot of people who don't still take the class because you need it to be considered by a college.
The part about Asians making it hard to get scholarships shows how AP classes hurt more than they help. And they do help, just not as much as they should.
And the last part wasn't needed, but it doesn't make me any less right.
Well, yeah, now I see where you're coming from. But for a good majority of students that aren't competing neck to neck for admissions into a godtier school, APs are more than just "another class." I suppose I'm a bit bitter because some bastards were talking about how poopty I was, but I mostly got back at them. It's nothing short of pompous to believe that APs are regular classes; to you, it might be a breeze, but to others, it is a challenge. It's like me saying, "2280? Pft, I did that in my sleep, no sweat." Hell no; I worked my ass off for that.
Also, the last part was just an interesting irony that I wanted to bring up. If you're referring to "right" as in the significance of APs, it's all opinion from there. However, if you're "right" about Floridians not knowing jack about education because of their system, you've got another thing coming.
I suppose I exaggerated when I said it was just another class. I wasn't trying to say people who are in AP don't work hard, just that there are a lot of them all competing for the same thing.
Quote from: Cornwad on March 30, 2010, 06:52:29 PM
No need for name calling. Now I don't know anything about Florida, but up here in the North East we have different standards for education. I can say with confidence that at least half of the students in my school are taking at least one AP class, and they're going to better places than the University of Florida. Maybe its because I live in a better area, but AP classes are the norm where I am. You can't just go around saying you know about education when you live in Florida. Do some research next time before you go around acting like you know what's what.
Name calling? lol I said your school sucks dick bro, didn't call you anything. I'll get to that shortly though, because you seriously have it coming for being a complete egomaniac.
I can't go around saying I know about education when I live in Florida? Why's that? You sure as hell don't know what you're talking about and you live in the North East. Hmm, I wonder why that is. I lived in New York for 2 of my years in high school and we were about at the same pace. Wanna know what I noticed when I was up there? The intercourse ing north has a huge ass superiority complex over the south when it comes to just about everything. Everyone that lives in Florida is a former northener, and is quite literally equivalent to the north in just about everything. We have no snow and have more old people, oh poop we're intercourse ing retarded all of a sudden.
How about YOU do some intercourse ing research, poop hole. There, you got your name. My state isn't intercourse ing retarded like most northerners seem to believe. Our education system isn't any better than any other state's, but how about not being a biased retard next time you step into an argument because you sure as hell throw assumptions and misconceptions around left and right. You assume your state has better standards simply because half of your school apparently takes AP classes. Have you ever once considered why that is without pumping up your obvious ego? If everyone is taking AP classes, it could mean A)Your school's AP classes are a pushover(hence my earlier comment) or B)Your school is filled to the brim with hard working and talented people.
If you're the example, I'm betting on A, because you seem to think that AP is the new honors and so on and so forth. That may be the case where you live, but here, AP means something. And that's the end of that.
Long story short, deflate your northerner ego and actually provide valid points to your argument other than "FLORIDIANS DON'T KNOW SHIT", because that blatant display of idiocy is what mad me off and effectively showed me that you really don't know what you're talking about at all. Anything you say regarding this subject can be discredited immediately.
Quote from: L10 on March 30, 2010, 09:23:35 PM
blegh, I have to type this out again because of the dumb server...ok...
No offence, but from what I understand the education down in Florida is pretty bad. Like what would normally get you an A down there, would be the equivalent of a C up here.
In fact, a couple of months ago, my Chem teacher was saying how bad she felt for the kids down south that get such terrible education.
And where I go on vacation, they have about the worst school in the nation, and trust me, it probably is, I've seen it up close in the teens down there(talking about (North)Myrtle Beach now)
Well intercourse I guess since I'm in the upper percentile in the ENTIRE country in just about every subject that Florida's education must be terrible. Give me anything you could do, and I could do 100 times better.
Fuck you
I'm done in this thread. This is just too much idiocy to bear.
I'm not even going to read that. I think we came to a nice consensus yesterday.
I find it strange that the pass rate for Calculus BC is higher than that of Calculus AB, despite covering all of the AB material plus integrating by parts and tables, trigonometric substitution, improper integrals, series and power series, Taylor polynomials and Taylor series, and some other stuff. I guess the people who would take Calculus AB and fail are the same people who would never dare to take Calculus BC.
Mostly that. The people that take BC are incredibly dedicated to the material, and in my high school, had to be done on your own outside of the class if you wanted to take the BC exam, since there wasn't enough time to actually cover it at school.