As we all know, loss of characters is an unfortunate part of Smash. Mewtwo, Roy, Dr. Mario, and Pichu were all taken out for Brawl... and who's to say that's the end of it? So, if ONE character had to be removed for SSB4, who would you want it to be?
I'd say... Lucario. Granted, I love Lucario, but I feel he doesn't really contribute too much to the Pokemon series or the Smash series. Plus, like Mewtwo, he'll probably be replaced by the next-gen cool biped anyway (aka Zoroark).
Dedede.
Dedede
Get rid of Jiggly puff.... UGH...
Quote from: Tsutaja on May 16, 2010, 02:26:20 PM
Dedede.
Quote from: Mystic on May 16, 2010, 03:10:20 PM
Dedede
Any reason as to why?
Get rid of intercourse ing Jiggly Puff, really. There is no longer any reason for her to be there other than the fact that she is one of the original members.
Toon Link.
Seriously, just not necessary.
Jigglypuff is essential to the game. You would have to remove someone like Lucario, Lucas, Wolf, or Toon Link. Personally I would remove Lucario.
The random buttom.
Quote from: Cornwad on June 01, 2010, 03:30:18 AM
Jigglypuff is essential to the game. You would have to remove someone like Lucario, Lucas, Wolf, or Toon Link. Personally I would remove Lucario.
Lucario's removal goes without saying. I agree with your suggestions too, but...
How in the hell is Jigglypuff essential? Do you really think people are going to give a crap if Jiggs gets removed?
Quote from: Zero on June 01, 2010, 02:35:51 PM
Lucario's removal goes without saying. I agree with your suggestions too, but...
How in the hell is Jigglypuff essential? Do you really think people are going to give a crap if Jiggs gets removed?
Well for one, she's completely unique; if Wolf was taken out, Wolf users may adjust to Fox or Falco, but Jiggly offers a gameplay form that no one else can match. Plus she's one of the Original 12.
Quote from: Mewtwo on June 01, 2010, 04:04:05 PM
Well for one, she's completely unique; if Wolf was taken out, Wolf users may adjust to Fox or Falco, but Jiggly offers a gameplay form that no one else can match. Plus she's one of the Original 12.
I know.
It'd matter if she was unique if she was likable in the slightest.
Are you kidding? Removing Jigglypuff would be like removing Yoshi.
Quote from: Cornwad on June 01, 2010, 07:55:05 PM
Are you kidding? Removing Jigglypuff would be like removing Yoshi.
I wouldn't go
that far, considering the fact that Yoshi is a well known gaming icon with a few of his own games while Jigglypuff has absolutely no importance whatsoever outside of the fact that she's a reoccurring Super Smash Bros. character due to her singing and drawing on people's faces being an old, now obsolete running gag in a 12-year-old anime that nobody watches anymore.
Yes, Jigglypuff gets my vote.
Pffft... I would never take out Jiggs.
I don't understand the Dedede hate either...
I would probably remove either Lucario or Wolf from the cast of SSBB.
Lucario, Wolf, or R.O.B.
Quote from: SkyMyl on June 02, 2010, 01:19:08 PM
Lucario, Wolf, or R.O.B.
I'm surprised that it took this long for someone to suggest him... I guess people have warmed up to him.
They left G&W. They tend to leave unique characters like Jigglypuff, G&W, and ROB. Mewtwo was unique, but he was more replaced than taken out.
Which totally sucked; Mewtwo was cooler and more important to the series than Lucario in every single way. I personally preferred playing as Mewtwo as well; in fact, if he was still in, he'd definitely be my main main instead of my constant switching between Link, Toon Link, Ganondorf, Pokemon Trainer, Lucario, and Kirby.
Ike =|
Quote from: Cornwad on June 01, 2010, 07:55:05 PM
Are you kidding? Removing Jigglypuff would be like removing Yoshi.
No I'm not kidding, are you retarded? Equating Yoshi who has his own intercourse ing games to a random pokemon out of upwards of 500 pokemon suggests that you are. It's like you feel sympathy for the poopty characters in a game or something(lol Dan).
Quote from: Mewtwo on June 01, 2010, 09:09:31 PM
I wouldn't go that far, considering the fact that Yoshi is a well known gaming icon with a few of his own games while Jigglypuff has absolutely no importance whatsoever outside of the fact that she's a reoccurring Super Smash Bros. character due to her singing and drawing on people's faces being an old, now obsolete running gag in a 12-year-old anime that nobody watches anymore.
Bam.
Aside from that, on Smashboards and All is Brawl polls usually the most wanted character to be removed ends up being JIGGLYPUFF. She isn't even fun to play as. I don't know anyone that has liked to use her since the original Smash, and that's probably because in that game she was remotely playable and even then people just combo'd into her easily abusable Rest. It got nerfed to hell in subsequent games, and her popularity waned. Hell I know people that forgot she was even IN Brawl.
Now that you mention it, there are a lot of similarities between Jigglypuff and Dan.
But anyway, most people who don't like Jigglypuff are morons, so their opinion shouldn't matter anyway. Jigglypuff is for people with class, you can't expect everyone to understand. Luckily, the people behind the roster for Smash games realize how essential she is.
Quote from: Cornwad on June 02, 2010, 08:38:26 PM
But anyway, most people who don't like Jigglypuff are morons, so their opinion shouldn't matter anyway. Jigglypuff is for people with class, you can't expect everyone to understand. Luckily, the people behind the roster for Smash games realize how essential she is.
lol well intercourse thats just a fantastic point
As long as it's good enough to keep Jigglypuff coming back for more Smash Bros I'm happy.
Japanese like chibby stuff so much that Jigglypuff will keep Mewtwo away from the roster. :P
...Seriously, people, if you hate Lucario when you really don't see a point for Jigglypuff, kick her out first.
You're just saying that because Lucario is one of your favorites. If your vision wasn't clouded by favoritism, you would see that Jigglypuff is one of the most essential characters to Smash Bros.
Quote from: Cornwad on June 03, 2010, 01:45:18 PM
You're just saying that because Lucario is one of your favorites. If your vision wasn't clouded by favoritism, you would see that Jigglypuff is one of the most essential characters to Smash Bros.
Irony.
Last I checked, every Smash Bros game has had Jigglypuff. Therefore we can assume that a Smash Bros game is not possible if Jigglypuff is not included on the roster.
Quote from: Cornwad on June 03, 2010, 02:08:54 PM
Last I checked, every Smash Bros game has had Jigglypuff. Therefore we can assume that a Smash Bros game is not possible if Jigglypuff is not included on the roster.
Quote from: TheAuraWielder on June 03, 2010, 01:35:17 PM
Japanese like chibby stuff so much that Jigglypuff will keep Mewtwo away from the roster.
The fact that Jigglypuff is extremely likable only adds to how important it is to Smash games.
Don't get rid of anyone: just change the way the clones play drastically.
Quote from: Hoagie Pennywhistle on June 03, 2010, 02:30:27 PM
Don't get rid of anyone: just change the way the clones play drastically.
Win.
In my opinion, Lucario is just the "currently popular movie star magic fighting biped pokemon." First it was Mewtwo, then he got replaced by Lucario, and while I'm not 100% sure, I have a feeling Lucario will be gone next time to make way for Zoroark.
Quote from: Cornwad on June 03, 2010, 02:26:05 PM
The fact that Jigglypuff is extremely likable only adds to how important it is to Smash games.
Quote from: Cornwad on June 03, 2010, 02:08:54 PM
Last I checked, every Smash Bros game has had Jigglypuff. Therefore we can assume that a Smash Bros game is not possible if Jigglypuff is not included on the roster.
Yeah I've finally stopped taking you seriously. About darn time I guess.
EDIT: FUCK how slow this site is, double quote removed. lol
See? Some people just don't understand. Jigglypuff takes a level of sophistication to properly understand. You don't just randomly add a Pokemon and keep it in for three games, while taking out characters like Mewtwo and Doctor Mario.
lol sophistication.
You can shut up now btw
I think it's just me...but Cornwad is kind of getting so dramatic with Jigglypuff...
Quote from: TheAuraWielder on June 03, 2010, 08:13:15 PM
I think it's just me...but Cornwad is kind of getting so dramatic with Jigglypuff...
It isn't. lol
Anyway... I'm with Cornwad. Keep the 'puff!
Jigglypuff won't be leaving Smash. I guarantee it.
Fags
Quote from: JrDude φ on June 04, 2010, 12:11:30 AM
Jigglypuff won't be leaving Smash. I guarantee it.
That. There's tons I could go into as I've seen it debated
several times on a long basis, but I'll only make that post on request.
She really should though. Her popularity is dead. She isn't likable. She's just a random terrible pokemon now and no one besides these faggots in this thread would give a poop if she was removed.
I think the reason people want her out more is that in Brawl is that she's pretty much by far the most ignorable character on the roster. (Play-style wise) Much like others however that would probably be buffed around in the next game.
I'd normally be in a good agreement basis on this but there's that simple fact that keeps me from doing so. Then again, using that logic, they could also barely change her at all and leave it at that.
The way I see it, Jiggylpuff is like Rocky in the first movie. Not any of the others, as much as I'd like to see Jigglypuff end the Cold War or fight Mr. T. I'd say that Kirby is Rocky 3 and Mr.Game and Watch is 2.
But anyway, you go into a match expecting Jigglypuff to lose. Especially when playing with people newer to the game who will automatically go to Ike or Snake, Jigglypuff looks like the worst decision you could make character wise. Then when you actually play as Jigglypuff, it just becomes that much better when you do good. You don't need to actually win to come out on top, coming close makes it clear that you're a better player, just like at the end of Rocky. They kind of ruined Jigglypuff in Brawl because she isn't all that good anymore, but the idea still works. Without Jigglypuff, who else would be Rocky?
Quote from: Cornwad on June 04, 2010, 03:41:16 AM
The way I see it, Jiggylpuff is like Rocky in the first movie. Not any of the others, as much as I'd like to see Jigglypuff end the Cold War or fight Mr. T. I'd say that Kirby is Rocky 3 and Mr.Game and Watch is 2.
But anyway, you go into a match expecting Jigglypuff to lose. Especially when playing with people newer to the game who will automatically go to Ike or Snake, Jigglypuff looks like the worst decision you could make character wise. Then when you actually play as Jigglypuff, it just becomes that much better when you do good. You don't need to actually win to come out on top, coming close makes it clear that you're a better player, just like at the end of Rocky. They kind of ruined Jigglypuff in Brawl because she isn't all that good anymore, but the idea still works. Without Jigglypuff, who else would be Rocky?
Pichu.
Pichu was dumb so they took it out. Pichu isn't a choice.
i say take out lucario and bring mewtwo back in or make room for a poke from the 5 gen
i'm surprised not that many are saying ROB. the next choice would probably be be toon link.
Quote from: Zero on June 04, 2010, 03:25:46 AM
She really should though. Her popularity is dead. She isn't likable. She's just a random terrible pokemon now and no one besides these faggots in this thread would give a poop if she was removed.
Jigglypuff is definitely likable, and I can promise you if they removed her, there would be a poopstorm of quite epic proportions. Her relevancy may be gone, but she's still badass.
But you're all forgetting: There won't be another Smash.
Quote from: Riddler on June 05, 2010, 07:09:30 AM
Jigglypuff is definitely likable, and I can promise you if they removed her, there would be a poopstorm of quite epic proportions. Her relevancy may be gone, but she's still badass.
But you're all forgetting: There won't be another Smash.
No, she isn't. Grow some intercourse ing testicles. And there wouldn't be a poopstorm lol. Did I not already mention that she's almost always the most wanted character to be removed in polls? For the last time, no one would care. No one uses her. People forget she's even there.
Which is stupid considering how much profit Nintendo makes off of the series. I do remember taking a Nintendo questionnaire in late 2008 where one of the questions was something along the lines of "Would you ever consider purchasing another Smash Bros title in the future?".
Quote from: Zero on June 05, 2010, 09:05:54 AM
No, she isn't. Grow some intercourse ing testicles. And there wouldn't be a poopstorm lol. Did I not already mention that she's almost always the most wanted character to be removed in polls? For the last time, no one would care. No one uses her. People forget she's even there.
Which is stupid considering how much profit Nintendo makes off of the series. I do remember taking a Nintendo questionnaire in late 2008 where one of the questions was something along the lines of "Would you ever consider purchasing another Smash Bros title in the future?".
Those are polls in which you have to get rid of someone. No one wants her gone, but if they HAD to pick they'd pick her. If they did actually remove her, people would rage. I'm certain of it.
America hates Jigglypuff, but Japan loves her so much. Nintendo listens to their native people more. They don't know we hate her guts.
We Americans are too hardcore for Jigglypuff. Jigglypuff is for fags because Jigglypuff is pink and pink is for fags and baby girls. We should replace Jigglypuff with another Metal Gear Solid character or a character with a big sword. Guns and swords are for men, unlike pink. Pink is for fags.
You guys realize that in Japan, Jigglypuff's popularity is practically nonexistent now right?
It doesn't matter. I remember someone on Oldsider convinced us that nobody liked Jigglypuff in Japan and she would be replaced by Buneary. I told her she was a moron, because she was. Jigglypuff is too important to take out, whether you like it or not.
jigglypuff is not for fags.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TDcTg1jkZZU&feature=related
Quote from: tibar21 on June 06, 2010, 05:59:12 AM
jigglypuff is not for fags.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TDcTg1jkZZU&feature=related
I don't think I laughed once when watching that fail.
Quote from: tibar21 on June 06, 2010, 05:59:12 AM
jigglypuff is not for fags.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TDcTg1jkZZU&feature=related
That was possibly the stupidest thing I have ever seen in my life
oh come on get a sense of humor lol. That brightened up my day.
Having a sense of humor doesn't mean you laugh at the drop of a hat, it means you can sense humor. And that was not humorous.
Remove Snake and let's have Mewtwo back. Snake is so broken and Mewtwo isn't.
Quote from: Mewtwo on June 08, 2010, 08:52:45 PM
Having a sense of humor doesn't mean you laugh at the drop of a hat, it means you can sense humor. And that was not humorous.
but that was humorous that was the point. Its funny and amusing
anyway Jigglypuff should not be removed because
-Jiggs was in the original twelve
-has an orginal moveset/isn't a clone
if a pokemon has to be taken out it should be lucario, they'll probably need room for a 5th gen pokemon (or even better put mewtwo back in) and they don't want to have too many pokemon reps.
My Top 3 choices:
1. ROB: He's not an important character...at ALL. He had two REALLY CRAPPY games for the NES, he was a terrible peripheral, and he didn't work. Not to mention he sucked the life out of batteries. If it weren't for the Virtual Boy and Power Glove, it'd be ROB getting all the "WTF were they thinking". Sure it worked as a marketing ploy, but as a game device it was pointless. There are DOZENS of more deserving and more relevant Nintendo characters (Metroid characters, F-Zero characters, ISAAC FROM GOLDEN SUN!?!?) to put in.
2.Wolf: Either de-clone him, or get rid of him. We don't need so many Star Fox characters with the same moves. Seriously Sakurai, he was your laziest job yet.
3. Lucario: If Mewtwo can get the axe, while being way more popular than Lucario, then Lucario should go to make room for the eventually fifth (or sixth) generation pokemon that will get a movie and be more popular.
Quote from: tibar21 on June 09, 2010, 12:19:40 PM
but that was humorous that was the point. Its funny and amusing
No, it really wasn't. First of all, it wasn't funny at all, second of all, it tried too hard to be funny, third, it wasn't funny at all.
The joke I just used sucked, and it was much funnier than that video.
Quote from: JrDude φ on June 09, 2010, 05:58:08 PM
No, it really wasn't. First of all, it wasn't funny at all, second of all, it tried too hard to be funny, third, it wasn't funny at all.
The joke I just used sucked, and it was much funnier than that video.
I lol'd, until you said it sucked (your joke, not the video; the video just sucked).
Quote from: JrDude φ on June 09, 2010, 05:58:08 PM
No, it really wasn't. First of all, it wasn't funny at all, second of all, it tried too hard to be funny, third, it wasn't funny at all.
The joke I just used sucked, and it was much funnier than that video.
the joke u used couldn't have been funnier than the video, because it wasn't even funny at all. ;)
Quote from: tibar21 on June 10, 2010, 12:51:08 PM
the joke u used couldn't have been funnier than the video, because it wasn't even funny at all. ;)
So they're at least equal, then. :|
Quote from: tibar21 on June 10, 2010, 12:51:08 PM
the joke u used couldn't have been funnier than the video, because it wasn't even funny at all. ;)
It wasn't funny at all, yet funnier than that video.
^^^^^^^^^^
that doesn't make sense and and i'm willing to bet most people would agree thats bullpoop
back on topic these are the only two i think that are in any danger of getting the boot
1. lucario- i've already explained
2. rob- without subspace, he won't be relevant
Quote from: tibar21 on June 10, 2010, 06:44:26 PM
^^^^^^^^^^
that doesn't make sense and and i'm willing to bet most people would agree thats bullpoop
back on topic these are the only two i think that are in any danger of getting the boot
1. lucario- i've already explained
2. rob- without subspace, he won't be relevant
Eh, I don't know; I kinda like having ROB now... he's like the playable embodiment of Nintendo hardware in general. He's certainly more important than Lucario, Ice Climbers, and Pit at any rate (although I'm sure all three are more popular, and I wouldn't want Ice Climbers or Pit gone).
yeah i like rob and hope he stays but i think hes in danger. the only character i want out is lucario, as long as mewtwo replaces him.
Quote from: tibar21 on June 10, 2010, 07:15:33 PM
yeah i like rob and hope he stays but i think hes in danger. the only character i want out is lucario, as long as mewtwo replaces him.
Doubt that. Granted, I love Mewtwo as much as the next guy (coughusernamecough), but if Lucario's gonna be replaced by anyone I think it will be Zoroark... or the 6th gen battle-ready movie biped if Smash 4 takes too long.
ROB saved videogames as we know them along with Mario. He's not going anywhere as long as G&W stays.
As someone else said, ROB is the embodiment of Nintendo Hardware. He should stay.
i knew rob was in the nes or something but i didn't know he was that important.
but i think mewtwo might have a chance. wasn't he in the forbidden seven rumor?
ROB was essentially the reason Americans bought the NES after the video game crash.
ROB probably isn't going anywhere. Granted, I'd rather have another character in instead, but being that Nintendo feels the need to put him in pretty much every one of their multiplayer games I doubt we'll stop seeing him any time soon.
Quote from: Cornwad on June 10, 2010, 07:59:11 PM
ROB was essentially the reason Americans bought the NES after the video game crash.
He was essentially a marketing gimmick. I think Nintendo realized early on that ROB was a piece of crap in terms of functionality.
Yes, he served his purpose in getting people to buy a "toy" and not a "videogame".
But with only two (really bad) games to his credit, and the fact that like most NES peripherals that weren't basic controllers, he was a terrible piece of crap that rarely, if ever, worked. WHY Nintendo wants to remember that is beyond me. It'd be like making the Virtual Boy or Power Glove an item...
Quote from: Nayrman on June 11, 2010, 06:10:03 AM
He was essentially a marketing gimmick. I think Nintendo realized early on that ROB was a piece of crap in terms of functionality.
Yes, he served his purpose in getting people to buy a "toy" and not a "videogame".
But with only two (really bad) games to his credit, and the fact that like most NES peripherals that weren't basic controllers, he was a terrible piece of crap that rarely, if ever, worked. WHY Nintendo wants to remember that is beyond me. It'd be like making the Virtual Boy or Power Glove an item...
Power Glove being an item would be amazing.
I love the Power Glove. It's so bad.
Quote from: Cornwad on June 10, 2010, 07:59:11 PM
ROB was essentially the reason Americans bought the NES after the video game crash.
Sorry, but the NES did that by itself.
ROB is pretty historic though. Though he was crap, he was the essential start of video game accessories, which are incredibly important now days.
Nah,
Quote from: Barbaloot on June 11, 2010, 03:11:29 PM
Sorry, but the NES did that by itself.
Nah, like Nayrman said, he tricked people into buying a videogame in a time that nobody wanted to buy videogames. Once people bought the system and realized that it had awesome games they kept it, but ROB got people interested again.
oh come on. i thought rob was cool. hes definately different from the rest of the roster.
I like rob as well, he is just a different type of character.
Quote from: Nik on June 11, 2010, 04:15:03 PM
oh come on. i thought rob was cool. hes definately different from the rest of the roster.
Quote from: Allegory on June 11, 2010, 11:15:38 PM
I like rob as well, he is just a different type of character.
This is why I believe they put R.O.B. in. They aren't trying to remind people of it's poopty past, they're trying re-create his image and give him a good future.
I wouldn't be surprised if they made a game especially for him on the Wii, by that I mean he'd actually be in it, not as an accessory.
Quote from: JrDude φ on June 12, 2010, 12:03:04 AM
This is why I believe they put R.O.B. in. They aren't trying to remind people of it's poopty past, they're trying re-create his image and give him a good future.
I wouldn't be surprised if they made a game especially for him on the Wii, by that I mean he'd actually be in it, not as an accessory.
After Mario Kart DS, I'd like him to simply become a new Mario character. :)
Um I'd say Rob only because he is the least significant. if any characters should go it should be sonic and snake. but only if they need to drop two. snake and sonic actually balance the third parties out in brawl. you got a cocky, dimwitted hedgehog and a grown man in tights who uses realistic weapons and has a four o' clock shadow. without one the other would stand out from the rest.