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=== Rhadamanthus <Rhadamanthu@90A5F0.015795.625A4D.9B08E7> "NSFCD Forums User"
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<Rhadamanthus> you have a few leaks already
<Rhadamanthus> after such specific orders
<PsychoYoshi> And who leaked it.
<Rhadamanthus> You won't be able to touch them anyways
<Rhadamanthus> asides from the fact I can see the staff board
<PsychoYoshi> I'm trying to preserve the integrity of your "vacation".
<Rhadamanthus> I am aware
<Rhadamanthus> but again
<Rhadamanthus> I need to ensure you don't go after leakers
<Rhadamanthus> as it isn't a fair thing when I can see the board
<PsychoYoshi> What are you planning on doing with this "award-winning series"?
<Rhadamanthus> after tonight's comments
<Rhadamanthus> the first one will be jabs at all of the staff
<Rhadamanthus> that was originally going to be the 4th or so
<Rhadamanthus> but I think it serves as a more interesting lead in
<Rhadamanthus> I also have other ones planned
<PsychoYoshi> I have to say that I'm rather concerned about where this is going.
<Rhadamanthus> You have no need to be
<PsychoYoshi> Quite honestly, we don't need members durka durka durkaing against the administration now.
<PsychoYoshi> I'm not personally worried.
<PsychoYoshi> I'm worried about the survival of the forum at this point.
<PsychoYoshi> Could care less about whether I get demoted or not.
<Rhadamanthus> I'm worried about getting accurate answers
<Rhadamanthus> and emotional responses
<PsychoYoshi> ?
<Rhadamanthus> The threads
<Rhadamanthus> won't be pretty
<Rhadamanthus> they aren't meant to be
<PsychoYoshi> Just make sure they're accurate.
<PsychoYoshi> Not sensationalist.
<Rhadamanthus> again, why would I risk what I've worked darn near 2 years for?
<PsychoYoshi> I don't know.
<PsychoYoshi> But people always seem to have intrinsic reasons that I can't latch onto.
<Rhadamanthus> well
<Rhadamanthus> consider our answer to keeping it fresh
<Rhadamanthus> is MERGE MERGE MERGE
<Rhadamanthus> I hope to stir up some anger
<Rhadamanthus> I will be honest
<PsychoYoshi> Well, what would YOU do?
<Rhadamanthus> You are well aware.
<Rhadamanthus> Which is why my votes were in fact cast.
<PsychoYoshi> That's not what I mean.
<PsychoYoshi> I want to know what you'd do in place of merging.
<PsychoYoshi> Other than contests.
<PsychoYoshi> And features.
<Rhadamanthus> I'm not against all merges
<Rhadamanthus> but in terms of what the site is about
<Rhadamanthus> I would start with the obvious ones - attracting new bases
<PsychoYoshi> Again, what do you mean.
<Rhadamanthus> which will of course start rather soon thanks to the two affiliations I nabbed
<Rhadamanthus> users
<Rhadamanthus> Examine the TF2 server incident
<Rhadamanthus> while we were protecting our own users
<Rhadamanthus> 75% of the server went to NS2 users
<Rhadamanthus> we drew posts as a result
<PsychoYoshi> Not a great deal.
<Rhadamanthus> and if played right, likely could have made a migration
<Rhadamanthus> considering we got users and posts out of it
<Rhadamanthus> it was
<Rhadamanthus> I like supporting our users
<Rhadamanthus> but when our demographic
<Rhadamanthus> our target
<Rhadamanthus> is outraged to the point where they pull support
<Rhadamanthus> that's a faux pas
<Rhadamanthus> before
<Rhadamanthus> the tf2 server put our name out there
<Rhadamanthus> drew a few posts
<Rhadamanthus> etc
<Rhadamanthus> now, it is complete waste
<Rhadamanthus> again, yes our users come first
<Rhadamanthus> but why would we attack our audience? That'd be like a clothing retailer making racist/sexist/etc remarks
<PsychoYoshi> We attack people if they're stupid.
<Rhadamanthus> simple changes in thinking are the first step
<PsychoYoshi> Always have.
<PsychoYoshi> Our own users.
<Rhadamanthus> based on convos with a few of them
<PsychoYoshi> Other users.
<Rhadamanthus> which seem reasonable PY
<Rhadamanthus> we acted out of line
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[2009-07-31 03:08:21] <Rhadamanthus> we made comments like "they raided the server"
[2009-07-31 03:08:36] <Rhadamanthus> that comment alone
[2009-07-31 03:08:40] <Rhadamanthus> devestated us
[2009-07-31 03:09:41] <Rhadamanthus> or here is another question
[2009-07-31 03:09:44] <Rhadamanthus> I mentioned
[2009-07-31 03:09:46] <Rhadamanthus> frequently
[2009-07-31 03:09:52] <Rhadamanthus> the new rank system I will implement
[2009-07-31 03:10:01] <Rhadamanthus> now, if I'm "off staff"
[2009-07-31 03:10:11] <Rhadamanthus> wouldn't a sensible staff meeting topic be to make the best of that idea?
[2009-07-31 03:11:10] <PsychoYoshi> I don't see how implementing a small rank reform is going to draw more member.s
[2009-07-31 03:11:16] <PsychoYoshi> Yes, it's a nice ideaq.
[2009-07-31 03:11:20] <PsychoYoshi> Jesus, I can't type.
[2009-07-31 03:13:03] <Rhadamanthus> but again
[2009-07-31 03:13:05] <Rhadamanthus> I sress
[2009-07-31 03:13:08] <Rhadamanthus> small steps
[2009-07-31 03:13:14] <PsychoYoshi> Haven't done anything thus far.
[2009-07-31 03:13:15] <Rhadamanthus> I don't see how hacking away at our identity
[2009-07-31 03:13:18] <Rhadamanthus> solves a thing
[2009-07-31 03:14:28] <Rhadamanthus> it's obvious we're both tired
[2009-07-31 03:14:37] <Rhadamanthus> but I have serious concerns about how this site operates
[2009-07-31 03:15:02] <PsychoYoshi> Just don't do anything that's going to exacerbate matters.
[2009-07-31 03:15:16] <PsychoYoshi> I'm already mad off about keeping this secret from the rest of the staff.
[2009-07-31 03:15:28] <Rhadamanthus> Feel free to be mad.
[2009-07-31 03:16:14] <PsychoYoshi> Your secret is going to be out pretty shortly.
[2009-07-31 03:16:17] <PsychoYoshi> They're checking permissions.
[2009-07-31 03:16:22] <PsychoYoshi> And no, I didn't tell them.
[2009-07-31 03:16:55] <Rhadamanthus> who is?
[2009-07-31 03:17:06] <Rhadamanthus> koopalings?
[2009-07-31 03:17:11] <PsychoYoshi> Totla, Super, and FH.
[2009-07-31 03:17:23] <Rhadamanthus> because they have permission access
[2009-07-31 03:17:24] <Rhadamanthus> sans super
[2009-07-31 03:18:27] <Rhadamanthus> sounds like a staff power play to admin
[2009-07-31 03:18:46] <PsychoYoshi> Hostile and Totla don't care about admin.
[2009-07-31 03:18:56] <PsychoYoshi> I've worked with Totla for ages, he's a good guy.
[2009-07-31 03:19:05] <PsychoYoshi> Hostile already has his own forum.
[2009-07-31 03:19:08] <Rhadamanthus> I know hostile well enough to say the same
[2009-07-31 03:19:18] <PsychoYoshi> It's genuine concern more than anything.
[2009-07-31 03:19:45] <Rhadamanthus> it concerns me that we have no bounds, to be quite honest
[2009-07-31 03:20:06] <Rhadamanthus> it concerns me that you seem to have a problem with someone raising concerns in an unorthodox way
[2009-07-31 03:20:33] <PsychoYoshi> I don't have a problem with people raising concerns in an unorthodox way.
[2009-07-31 03:20:39] <Rhadamanthus> You seem to.
[2009-07-31 03:20:48] <PsychoYoshi> I do have a problem with lying to people that I consider my friends.
[2009-07-31 03:21:01] <Rhadamanthus> And I don't consider the staff my friends?
[2009-07-31 03:21:03] <Rhadamanthus> The users here?
[2009-07-31 03:21:21] <PsychoYoshi> I never said that.
[2009-07-31 03:21:44] <Rhadamanthus> And yet
[2009-07-31 03:21:48] <Rhadamanthus> that is what it feels like
[2009-07-31 03:22:04] <Rhadamanthus> I don't think you understand how hard it is to tell some of these users I am gone
[2009-07-31 03:22:13] <Rhadamanthus> the users I've brought to the site
[2009-07-31 03:22:27] <PsychoYoshi> You could have just stayed on the staff and suggested these ideas.
[2009-07-31 03:22:46] <PsychoYoshi> And yes, it might have taken time.
[2009-07-31 03:22:51] <Rhadamanthus> and as of today, I was taking another approach
[2009-07-31 03:22:58] <PsychoYoshi> But I seem to recall you saying that small steps were the best approach.
[2009-07-31 03:22:58] <Rhadamanthus> I am going to take the user stance
[2009-07-31 03:23:14] <Rhadamanthus> I am viewing NSF from a new way (or so was the intent)
[2009-07-31 03:23:32] * PsychoYoshi sighs
[2009-07-31 03:23:45] <PsychoYoshi> They're asking me to check permissions.
[2009-07-31 03:23:49] <PsychoYoshi> I can't lie.
[2009-07-31 03:23:52] <Rhadamanthus> fantastic
[2009-07-31 03:24:05] <Rhadamanthus> have fun with that one
[2009-07-31 03:24:12] <PsychoYoshi> I hid the truth.
[2009-07-31 03:24:17] <PsychoYoshi> But I can't lie to their faces.
[2009-07-31 03:24:21] <Rhadamanthus> a whopping day
[2009-07-31 03:24:31] <PsychoYoshi> Sorry, but they're ready to hang someone right now.
[2009-07-31 03:24:46] <Rhadamanthus> an astounding feat
[2009-07-31 03:24:53] <PsychoYoshi> I've got a feeling that you, Silver, me, and everyone else are going to have a long
[2009-07-31 03:24:54] <PsychoYoshi> long
[2009-07-31 03:24:57] <PsychoYoshi> chat tomorrow
[2009-07-31 03:25:10] <Rhadamanthus> I don't
[2009-07-31 03:25:17] <PsychoYoshi> And again Mack, this is nothing personal.
[2009-07-31 03:25:20] <PsychoYoshi> You've gotta believe mew.
[2009-07-31 03:25:22] <PsychoYoshi> -w
[2009-07-31 03:25:29] <Rhadamanthus> No, it very truly is.
[2009-07-31 03:25:55] <PsychoYoshi> Howso?
[2009-07-31 03:26:12] <Rhadamanthus> It questions my beliefs, and my logic. Such qualities that have seen me bring life to NSF, among other things.
[2009-07-31 03:26:28] <PsychoYoshi> Uh.
[2009-07-31 03:26:29] <PsychoYoshi> How.
[2009-07-31 03:26:37] <PsychoYoshi> Does it question your beliefs.
[2009-07-31 03:26:38] <PsychoYoshi> Or logic.
[2009-07-31 03:26:40] <Rhadamanthus> A lack of faith.
[2009-07-31 03:26:46] <PsychoYoshi> In what.
[2009-07-31 03:26:55] <PsychoYoshi> You're being very, very vague.
[2009-07-31 03:27:08] <Rhadamanthus> Me, once again.
[2009-07-31 03:27:09] <Rhadamanthus> You are questioning it.
[2009-07-31 03:27:14] <Rhadamanthus> The decision
[2009-07-31 03:27:28] <Rhadamanthus> The same decision making process that has helped build the site.
[2009-07-31 03:27:52] <PsychoYoshi> Um, how does going undercover have to do with building the site.
[2009-07-31 03:28:19] <Rhadamanthus> I thought we discussed this thoroughly./
[2009-07-31 03:29:01] <PsychoYoshi> All I recall you saying was that you wanted to act as an HR manager.
[2009-07-31 03:29:32] <Rhadamanthus> I don't even know what HR is
[2009-07-31 03:29:39] <PsychoYoshi> Human resources.
[2009-07-31 03:29:43] <PsychoYoshi> You wanted to evaluate staff.
[2009-07-31 03:29:46] <PsychoYoshi> And see who was active.
[2009-07-31 03:30:02] <PsychoYoshi> And then report back to Silver and me and preferably the rest of the staff after you were done.
[2009-07-31 03:30:09] <Rhadamanthus> it's hardly the staff
[2009-07-31 03:30:14] <Rhadamanthus> the staff is but one fracton
[2009-07-31 03:30:17] <Rhadamanthus> fraction
[2009-07-31 03:30:34] <Rhadamanthus> I will be going on a massive undertaking
[2009-07-31 03:30:57] <Rhadamanthus> going through the member list, tracking users that left/banned, going through boards, the stats, and more
[2009-07-31 03:31:02] <Rhadamanthus> analyzing
[2009-07-31 03:31:12] <Rhadamanthus> posting sporadically and watching the results
[2009-07-31 03:31:13] <PsychoYoshi> Well, they seem to think Silver was the one that leaked it.
[2009-07-31 03:31:16] <PsychoYoshi> So you're safe for the moment.
[2009-07-31 03:31:35] <Rhadamanthus> there were four leaks
[2009-07-31 03:31:44] <Rhadamanthus> so have fun removing those users
[2009-07-31 03:31:55] <PsychoYoshi> I never said I was going to.
[2009-07-31 03:32:17] <Rhadamanthus> that's aimed at the staff
[2009-07-31 03:34:28] <PsychoYoshi> I have a relatively good idea who the leaks are. And I'm going to trust their judgment.
[2009-07-31 03:34:29] <PsychoYoshi> But again.
[2009-07-31 03:34:37] <PsychoYoshi> Don't do anything that you or the forum is going to regret.
[2009-07-31 03:34:55] <Rhadamanthus> PY
[2009-07-31 03:35:06] <Rhadamanthus> I oft times question you
[2009-07-31 03:35:13] <Rhadamanthus> to play devils advocate
[2009-07-31 03:35:19] <Rhadamanthus> but I am wary atm
[2009-07-31 03:35:25] <Rhadamanthus> I don't like the tone here
[2009-07-31 03:35:35] <PsychoYoshi> I never said I was going to do anything.
[2009-07-31 03:35:43] <PsychoYoshi> To you.
[2009-07-31 03:35:46] <PsychoYoshi> Or to your leaks.
[2009-07-31 03:35:51] <Rhadamanthus> I did not say that
[2009-07-31 03:36:13] <PsychoYoshi> I'm simply worried that if you pull too hard, we're going to lose what little cohesion we have among the members and staff.
[2009-07-31 03:36:25] <Rhadamanthus> PY
[2009-07-31 03:36:33] <Rhadamanthus> we honestly
[2009-07-31 03:36:36] <Rhadamanthus> very honestly
[2009-07-31 03:36:38] <Rhadamanthus> need to
[2009-07-31 03:37:14] <Rhadamanthus> it is only when we separate ourselves for a moment
[2009-07-31 03:37:20] <Rhadamanthus> that we can take a step back
[2009-07-31 03:37:26] <Rhadamanthus> and go "hey, I see their point"
[2009-07-31 03:39:41] <PsychoYoshi> ...I need to sleep on this.
[2009-07-31 03:40:01] <Rhadamanthus> and I just need to give up on nsf
[2009-07-31 03:40:16] <PsychoYoshi> Forums are like drugs. :B
[2009-07-31 03:41:13] <PsychoYoshi> How long is this going to go on for?
[2009-07-31 03:41:21] <PsychoYoshi> I forgot.
[2009-07-31 03:41:22] <PsychoYoshi> 2 weeks?
[2009-07-31 03:41:35] <Rhadamanthus> 7-10 days
[2009-07-31 03:41:43] <Rhadamanthus> so by the time I type everything up
[2009-07-31 03:41:45] <Rhadamanthus> 10-14
[2009-07-31 03:42:23] <PsychoYoshi> My action plan over the next few days is as follows.
[2009-07-31 03:42:33] <PsychoYoshi> I'm probably going to talk with Silver and just Silver about this tomorrow.
[2009-07-31 03:42:41] <PsychoYoshi> Beyond that, I'm not going to tell anyone.
[2009-07-31 03:43:16] <PsychoYoshi> But if someone does some snooping and looks at permissions, I can't make up some random clerical excuse.
[2009-07-31 03:43:33] <Rhadamanthus> only one that doesn't know
[2009-07-31 03:43:35] <Rhadamanthus> and has access
[2009-07-31 03:43:37] <Rhadamanthus> is Cogs
[2009-07-31 03:43:41] <PsychoYoshi> And Super.
[2009-07-31 03:43:44] <Rhadamanthus> who likely hasn't used the acp in a year
[2009-07-31 03:43:48] <Rhadamanthus> Super doesn't know?
[2009-07-31 03:43:52] <PsychoYoshi> No.
[2009-07-31 03:43:55] <PsychoYoshi> Haven't told him.
[2009-07-31 03:43:57] <PsychoYoshi> As you requested.
[2009-07-31 03:44:06] <Rhadamanthus> he is well aware of it./
[2009-07-31 03:44:16] <PsychoYoshi> ...
[2009-07-31 03:44:18] * PsychoYoshi sighs
[2009-07-31 03:44:25] <PsychoYoshi> We are the only three that know.
[2009-07-31 03:44:26] <PsychoYoshi> Yes?
[2009-07-31 03:45:06] <Rhadamanthus> "as an admin you are entitled to know, but if anyone outside of you finds out,there will be issues"
[2009-07-31 03:45:17] <Rhadamanthus> just the admin team
[2009-07-31 03:45:23] <PsychoYoshi> OK.
[2009-07-31 03:45:25] <Rhadamanthus> he doesn't have the full explanation yet
[2009-07-31 03:45:30] <Rhadamanthus> but I did give him the run down
[2009-07-31 03:45:51] <Rhadamanthus> outside of that
[2009-07-31 03:45:56] <PsychoYoshi> Tell him that ASAP. If you'd be so kind.
[2009-07-31 03:46:03] <Rhadamanthus> no koopaling has any way of finding out
[2009-07-31 03:46:07] <Rhadamanthus> sans me going to the staff board
[2009-07-31 03:46:10] <Rhadamanthus> and getting busted
[2009-07-31 03:46:22] <PsychoYoshi> I believe Koopalings can see invisible.
[2009-07-31 03:46:27] <Rhadamanthus> they can't
[2009-07-31 03:46:30] <PsychoYoshi> Alright.
[2009-07-31 03:46:38] <PsychoYoshi> Well, if they see an invisible, they'll still probably know who it is.
[2009-07-31 03:46:39] <Rhadamanthus> you need ip tools for that
[2009-07-31 03:46:42] <Rhadamanthus> yes
[2009-07-31 03:46:47] <Rhadamanthus> which is why I'm not visiting
[2009-07-31 03:46:56] <Rhadamanthus> the thread title informed me of more than enough though
[2009-07-31 03:47:23] <Rhadamanthus> I will pm all 3 of you a detailed rundown tomorrow
[2009-07-31 03:47:34] <PsychoYoshi> Sounds fair.
[2009-07-31 03:47:41] <Rhadamanthus> but again, I didn't expect the mighty coalition to form in an attempt to save asses tonight
[2009-07-31 03:47:51] <Rhadamanthus> I was busy partying and got back to panic ims
[2009-07-31 03:48:11] <Rhadamanthus> which of course is fun
[2009-07-31 03:48:13] <PsychoYoshi> The fact that the coalition formed is a promising sign to me.
[2009-07-31 03:48:21] <PsychoYoshi> Shows that people do actually give a poop about this plac.e
[2009-07-31 03:48:49] <PsychoYoshi> ...also, poop.
[2009-07-31 03:48:59] <PsychoYoshi> 4am, I have to go before my Mom gets up for work.
[2009-07-31 03:49:03] <PsychoYoshi> G'night.
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Eh, that was back when the staff was still really antagonistic towards a lot of the users.
And, staff evaluations?