If you want to be a good Smash player...

[Shujinco2]

i use items,but most of the time i have them off....can beat the level nines either way :P

Level 8 is harder. Level nines are so "good" they screw up a lot of times.

[DededeCloneChris]

i use items,but most of the time i have them off....can beat the level nines either way :P

Level 8 is harder. Level nines are so "good" they screw up a lot of times.

I agree with you, they pose, you kill them.

[Dei Enyt]

Not mainstream? If it isn't mainstream, why is there a site with over 80,000 members, with most of them dedicated to competitive Smash, and why was it featured on MTV's True Life: I'm a professional gamer? Seems mainstream to me, unless I'm completely missing the meaning of mainstream.

You are.  You're looking at popularity, not the game itself.  The traditional fighter is a 1-on-1 stamina battle to be the last one standing.  Smash breaks that limit by throwing in the elements of a party game.  The concept of Smash is similar to the mainstream fighting game ONLY in one way: last man standing wins.  The execution, however, is completely different.  If you can't handle surprises or unpredictability and want to play solely based off of "skill", play Bloody Roar or Soul Calibur.

As long as there's one person who likes to take advantage of everything the game has to offer, there's going to be more who intend to do the same.  To put it in terms you'd understand, you're not going to be the best gamer by playing against the same crowd over and over again, you have to be able to adapt to any situation the game presents.

[Shujinco2]

Not mainstream? If it isn't mainstream, why is there a site with over 80,000 members, with most of them dedicated to competitive Smash, and why was it featured on MTV's True Life: I'm a professional gamer? Seems mainstream to me, unless I'm completely missing the meaning of mainstream.

You are.  You're looking at popularity, not the game itself.  The traditional fighter is a 1-on-1 stamina battle to be the last one standing.  Smash breaks that limit by throwing in the elements of a party game.  The concept of Smash is similar to the mainstream fighting game ONLY in one way: last man standing wins.  The execution, however, is completely different.  If you can't handle surprises or unpredictability and want to play solely based off of "skill", play Bloody Roar or Soul Calibur.

As long as there's one person who likes to take advantage of everything the game has to offer, there's going to be more who intend to do the same.  To put it in terms you'd understand, you're not going to be the best gamer by playing against the same crowd over and over again, you have to be able to adapt to any situation the game presents.

Man, your the COOLEST dude ever!

Hurrah for Dei Enyt!

[Eizweir]

Not mainstream? If it isn't mainstream, why is there a site with over 80,000 members, with most of them dedicated to competitive Smash, and why was it featured on MTV's True Life: I'm a professional gamer? Seems mainstream to me, unless I'm completely missing the meaning of mainstream.

And, as I said in my other post to the exact same post, it's not that competitive people can't win with items (crews will occasionally do item matches in friendlies), it's that they want a fair game where it is based solely on skill.

Ill bet sakurai evened the characters a lil bit more in this game, so the tier list wont come into effect very often...

As of the demo, Sakurai didn't even the characters at all. Ike sucked. Meta Knight was very good. Peach was even better, and so was Bowser. A Tier list will always exist for any fighting games simply because there is no fighting game where all the characters were "pretty even".

Cool, Bowser is better.
I was hoping Sakurai would build it so where some character fails, other gain, and vice-versa.  So if we measured stats in points, like people here do in their character anaylisis s, all the characters would be pretty much even, some just excel in places where others don't.  That seems like the obvious way to do it for me, but I guess Sakurai doesn't think the same way...