MadWorld Reviews In

Nayrman · March 08, 2009, 02:14:41 PM

Quote from: Lord Layton on March 08, 2009, 02:08:16 PM
It's a mix of stupid and lazy, yes. And all this, Nintendo is getting advertising. People like me see Nintendo as finally standing up for the hardcore gamer - even in the sick way they are doing it. Promotion wise, it's brilliant. The little kids will still beg their parents for Wii games, the morons with too much money to spend will still spend it, and now, those gamers that will adore MW will stick with the Big N just a tad longer, possibly all they need to make some kind of announcement that will keep them.

As I said before, Nintendo may be greedy (and sometimes lazy), but they're not stupid. Even though they probably don't like the game, they're not going to condemn it just because it exists, especially when its coming from one of the two third parties left that actually make quality games exclusively for the system in SEGA. I'm really just getting MadWorld for the convenience. Nothing besides BK and the Conduit are coming out for the system that I want basically this entire year (Punch Out is a rental. The rest I couldn't care for).
The core won't stick with Nintendo either way. The vast majority of core gamers already gave up on Nintendo a LOOONG time ago. This is just something for the core gamers who also happen to have Wii's. MW and Conduit won't change the majority's mind, but it'll keep Nintendo from getting laughed out of the non-causal business for only that much longer, unless like you said they use that small window to actually announce something (for the love of god it better be Kid Icaurs/Mother 3/Zelda with REALISTIC sword fighting with WMP)

Macawmoses · March 08, 2009, 02:21:50 PM

I'm not saying the core didn't leave, but as you pointed out they do have a base with Wii's, and that is all they care about. That very base will purchase products for the Wii if it interests them, and MW is no exception.

This is merely a chance to hold the structure together that much longer...and just as it is about to give way, Conduit comes in and reseals it. They'll let the Third Parties take the hardcore for now, I assure you. They'll let them keep the base, even make it, before going out of their way to appeal to it themselves. It's brilliant on so many levels - unfortunately, we shouldn't appreciate it.

Nonetheless, MW will likely sell better than NMH, and that's because of the aura around it. Sega knows how to advertise, something EA/Ubi hasn't been good with in terms of new IP's.

Nayrman · March 08, 2009, 02:33:54 PM

Quote from: Lord Layton on March 08, 2009, 02:21:50 PM
I'm not saying the core didn't leave, but as you pointed out they do have a base with Wii's, and that is all they care about. That very base will purchase products for the Wii if it interests them, and MW is no exception.

This is merely a chance to hold the structure together that much longer...and just as it is about to give way, Conduit comes in and reseals it. They'll let the Third Parties take the hardcore for now, I assure you. They'll let them keep the base, even make it, before going out of their way to appeal to it themselves. It's brilliant on so many levels - unfortunately, we shouldn't appreciate it.

Nonetheless, MW will likely sell better than NMH, and that's because of the aura around it. Sega knows how to advertise, something EA/Ubi hasn't been good with in terms of new IP's.

The problem is that Conduit is the last line of defense. NMH2 will be at LEAST another year and a half, and there really is nothing to fill that void unless Nintendo does something. Let's be honest, after Conduit SEGA is all but spent for a while (they've single handedly put out all the good games for the Wii in the first quarter this year). Sega does a fantastic job of advertising/promoting, why do you think Sonic still does fantastic sales wise despite many of the games being lackluster? Although this can be directly attributed to their efforts in the 90's of making Sonic a mascot like Nintendo did with Mario.
Please, EA doesn't do new IP's, and when they do they rush it and don't try hard. (Mirror's Edge was just a "hey look we're not just Madden cop outs every year!" game, unfortunately).

They'll let the third parties have the hardcore? Not even the third parties not named SEGA and Suda51 care. (Capcom stopped trying after Zak and Wiki/Okami had terrible sales and Tatsunoko vs. Capcom is still a region exclusive). I mean, besides SEGA projects, NMH, and occasionally Capcom what third party is actually trying on the Wii? Okay, Sqaure Enix somewhat, but they're content to release the more kid friendly stuff on Nintendo and push the big budget games on Sony. Not saying the Nintendo stuff is bad, but some balance would be nice... X_X;;

The rest of summer is "make it or break it" time for Nintendo themselves. They just need ONE game made specifically for the core (preferably one with online) to satisfy the qualms for another year or two. Anything I mentioned would work, or basically anything that has even a moderately good online (Hell, just announcing the death of FC's would be MORE than enough). Just my two cents on that...

Macawmoses · March 08, 2009, 02:48:23 PM

Umm, EA not trying new IP's? What. No More Heroes is essentially an IP of theirs, as Ubi published. Red Steel. Assassin's Creed? That's just from the Ubisoft side of things. It's also ignoring TMNT Smash Up. With that said,

The Conduit is in no way the last line for Hardcore gamers. We represent, at most, 15% of sales, and at our peak only represented 50% of sales. That's a chunk that will be key during this crisis that saw Nintendo stocks fall 18%, so they'll hold on to it with their own titles. We'll see Captain Rainbow down the road, we'll see Stafy, you touched on Punch Out, and let's not forget Sin and Punishment. Then there is our new Kirby game (announced for 09 in at least one region), H.A.M.M.E.R., NPC Metroid Prime, Dynamic Slash, etc.

You said Nintendo's not stupid, they're just simply changing their strategy. You have to realize that they're still making cash without releasing titles. They'll release as they need to, get through the summer slump, and (hopefully) have a decent holiday/fall lineup. And you can't argue with the lineup we have as of now, either, with Platinum, NPC! titles, Fire Emblem, etc.

Nayrman · March 08, 2009, 03:02:08 PM

Quote from: Lord Layton on March 08, 2009, 02:48:23 PM
Umm, EA not trying new IP's? What. No More Heroes is essentially an IP of theirs, as Ubi published. Red Steel. Assassin's Creed? That's just from the Ubisoft side of things. It's also ignoring TMNT Smash Up. With that said,

The Conduit is in no way the last line for Hardcore gamers. We represent, at most, 15% of sales, and at our peak only represented 50% of sales. That's a chunk that will be key during this crisis that saw Nintendo stocks fall 18%, so they'll hold on to it with their own titles. We'll see Captain Rainbow down the road, we'll see Stafy, you touched on Punch Out, and let's not forget Sin and Punishment. Then there is our new Kirby game (announced for 09 in at least one region), H.A.M.M.E.R., NPC Metroid Prime, Dynamic Slash, etc.

You said Nintendo's not stupid, they're just simply changing their strategy. You have to realize that they're still making cash without releasing titles. They'll release as they need to, get through the summer slump, and (hopefully) have a decent holiday/fall lineup. And you can't argue with the lineup we have as of now, either, with Platinum, NPC! titles, Fire Emblem, etc.

EA's OWN development studios, not Ubisoft's pickups. The problem I have with the lineup you mentioned is that Nintendo won't market that to any of the core gamers. Only Sin and Punishment will get that kind of attention (let's face it, they're not making Punch Out for us...). Starfy and Captain Rainbow are going to be blatantly marketed towards young kids (which is fine, they're supposed to be...save that one Birdo mission...we all know the one). You know my opinion on the NPC! games, so I won't go into that. The Kirby game is LONG overdue (like a real DK platformer...please!?).
Of course Nintendo is making cash without releases, the Wii and DSi are selling like hotcakes because the casuals will continue to buy regardless of all the 3rd party junk stocking shelves because they honestly don't know any better (one of the curses of having the casual market in anything...). I just want to see Nintendo's strategy for when that ultimately starts to fade (or possibly crash and burn like 1983 and Atari, either way). Nintendo has experienced an anomaly in terms of sales for the Wii, but like the iPod was when it first started, it'll eventually even out. However, will Nintendo have an ace up their sleeve like Apple had with their new operating system/interface design or will Nintendo look the other way and hope everything continues to go swimmingly like Sony did when the PS3 was first announced/came out? E3 is going to be REALLY interesting this year, provided Nintendo even bothers to show up this time X_X;;

Macawmoses · March 08, 2009, 05:28:20 PM

Just a side note:

NP gave a 9/10.

Nayrman · March 08, 2009, 05:31:44 PM

Quote from: Lord Layton on March 08, 2009, 05:28:20 PM
Just a side note:

NP gave a 9/10.

No offense to BK, but if NP gives BK an 8, MadWorld better be a 9 or higher. But that's just me XD
I can't wait to play both of 'em.

Macawmoses · March 09, 2009, 04:50:59 PM

Another update: IGN scored it 9.

Tupin · March 09, 2009, 05:12:59 PM

Surprised Fox News hasn't gotten their hands on this yet, it's like ten times worse than GTA.

That said, cannot WAIT to play it.

Nayrman · March 09, 2009, 05:14:43 PM

Quote from: Tupin on March 09, 2009, 05:12:59 PM
Surprised Fox News hasn't gotten their hands on this yet, it's like ten times worse than GTA.

That said, cannot WAIT to play it.

You know they will. They'll bash any game with violence because they have their own republican fueled agenda...no shock no surprise.

Tupin · March 09, 2009, 05:25:06 PM

Quote from: Nayrman on March 09, 2009, 05:14:43 PM
Quote from: Tupin on March 09, 2009, 05:12:59 PM
Surprised Fox News hasn't gotten their hands on this yet, it's like ten times worse than GTA.

That said, cannot WAIT to play it.
You know they will. They'll bash any game with violence because they have their own republican fueled agenda...no shock no surprise.

It's apparently big news in Europe, but the only mention I've seen of it from them was on their site, when they were interviewing the director of God of War III and he was talking about how he wanted the violence not to be comedic, like in MadWorld.

Nayrman · March 09, 2009, 05:32:50 PM

Quote from: Tupin on March 09, 2009, 05:25:06 PM
Quote from: Nayrman on March 09, 2009, 05:14:43 PM
Quote from: Tupin on March 09, 2009, 05:12:59 PM
Surprised Fox News hasn't gotten their hands on this yet, it's like ten times worse than GTA.

That said, cannot WAIT to play it.
You know they will. They'll bash any game with violence because they have their own republican fueled agenda...no shock no surprise.
It's apparently big news in Europe, but the only mention I've seen of it from them was on their site, when they were interviewing the director of God of War III and he was talking about how he wanted the violence not to be comedic, like in MadWorld.

Europe is one thing, Faux news is another. I just love seeing their strawman arguments and logical fallacies.
Watched the video review on IGN and I really can't wait to play this. It looks like the Wii game we've all been waiting for. Clover studios ALWAYS puts out gold (I forgot their current name). The irony that NMH and MW are probably the two best Wii games on the entire system. The violence is one thing, but the gameplay is how the Wii SHOULD be used. Interesting new ways to play things we all love and enjoy.

Tupin · March 10, 2009, 06:32:40 PM

Spoke too soon. National Institute on Media and the Family says Nintendo has "opened its doors to the violent videogame genre." Holy crap, it's a genre now?!?

http://gonintendo.com/?p=75163

"The National Institute on Media and the Family hopes that Nintendo does not lose sight of its initial audience and continues to offer quality, family-friendly games."

Read the bold.

It's not a Leapfrog, NIMF. They can make games that aren't necessarily family friendly.

Nayrman · March 11, 2009, 03:29:44 AM

Quote from: Tupin on March 10, 2009, 06:32:40 PM
Spoke too soon. National Institute on Media and the Family says Nintendo has "opened its doors to the violent videogame genre." Holy crap, it's a genre now?!?

http://gonintendo.com/?p=75163

"The National Institute on Media and the Family hopes that Nintendo does not lose sight of its initial audience and continues to offer quality, family-friendly games."

Read the bold.

It's not a Leapfrog, NIMF. They can make games that aren't necessarily family friendly.

As usual, these people are intercourse ing retarded. The Wii wasn't made for YOU, it was made for EVERYONE. Meaning if the hardcore want their violent game and not just another cutsey wootsy little minigame package, then developers should make it! Maybe if parents actually did some PARENTING this wouldn't be an issue! But oh wait, we can't have that! EVERYTHING needs to be SOOOOOO family friendly so the parents don't have to make decisions and can continue to be lazy and not care. We didn't have this back in the 90's. Sure, there were some fanaticals about Mortal Kombat, but MOST parents weren't retarded and just avoided the game altogether, and let us play Mario and Sonic instead. I mean really..."The Violent Videogame genre"? NIMF is just moronic X_X;;