Stale Move negation!

NINTENDO_PAWNAGE_RAWK · February 21, 2008, 06:05:21 AM

This is one of my least favorite things about the game. If I am trying to juggle someone with Marth's up aerial or just trying to keep mashing them off the stage with a side smash than eventually it is gonna suck! I honestly do not see that as fair with some characters like Marth because I think it gives the opponent the edge in battle. Although Marth is the only character whose graze attacks will actually do more damage instead of doing nothing, so it might balance out in the end. What do you think of this negation and how do you think it will affect game play?

Shujinco2 · February 21, 2008, 06:10:09 AM

I think it's epic. I am a diverse player, I pretty much play with every move. Some characters I play with I use certain moves more then others (Dr. Mario's Forward A Aerial, Link's up B, Kirby's Up A Aerial, etc.), but it shouldn't be a problem.

NINTENDO_PAWNAGE_RAWK · February 21, 2008, 06:13:06 AM

Quote from: Shujinco on February 21, 2008, 06:10:09 AM
I think it's epic. I am a diverse player, I pretty much play with every move. Some characters I play with I use certain moves more then others (Dr. Mario's Forward A Aerial, Link's up B, Kirby's Up A Aerial, etc.), but it shouldn't be a problem.

I really do like it when it boils down to it, however I HATE the fact that juggling with my main is a thing of the past. :(

Shujinco2 · February 21, 2008, 06:18:58 AM

Quote from: NINTENDO_PAWNAGE_RAWK on February 21, 2008, 06:13:06 AM
Quote from: Shujinco on February 21, 2008, 06:10:09 AM
I think it's epic. I am a diverse player, I pretty much play with every move. Some characters I play with I use certain moves more then others (Dr. Mario's Forward A Aerial, Link's up B, Kirby's Up A Aerial, etc.), but it shouldn't be a problem.
I really do like it when it boils down to it, however I HATE the fact that juggling with my main is a thing of the past. :(
LOL, while juggling with all MY characters is still no problem!

NINTENDO_PAWNAGE_RAWK · February 21, 2008, 06:23:15 AM

Quote from: Shujinco on February 21, 2008, 06:18:58 AM
Quote from: NINTENDO_PAWNAGE_RAWK on February 21, 2008, 06:13:06 AM
Quote from: Shujinco on February 21, 2008, 06:10:09 AM
I think it's epic. I am a diverse player, I pretty much play with every move. Some characters I play with I use certain moves more then others (Dr. Mario's Forward A Aerial, Link's up B, Kirby's Up A Aerial, etc.), but it shouldn't be a problem.
I really do like it when it boils down to it, however I HATE the fact that juggling with my main is a thing of the past. :(
LOL, while juggling with all MY characters is still no problem!
>:(
Oh well, I can still try out Ike and Wolf.... Wait, doesn't Ike have a move he uses a ton... I think it is his side Smash... oh well. I guess this is gonna really change my Marth Practice sessions on SSBM.

Fell · February 21, 2008, 06:37:12 AM

Actualy, stale negation was in melee. Atleast, that's what I heard.

It doesn't matter though, it only decreases damage given. Not the knockback. Right?

NINTENDO_PAWNAGE_RAWK · February 21, 2008, 06:39:42 AM

Quote from: Felldohs_wrath on February 21, 2008, 06:37:12 AM
Actualy, stale negation was in melee. Atleast, that's what I heard.

It doesn't matter though, it only decreases damage given. Not the knockback. Right?

I could have sworn he said that if you feel like your move is not knocking back your opponent as far as it should to try mixing it up a bit. That is the line that made me worry about my strategy.

Fell · February 21, 2008, 06:43:11 AM

Quote from: NINTENDO_PAWNAGE_RAWK on February 21, 2008, 06:39:42 AM
Quote from: Felldohs_wrath on February 21, 2008, 06:37:12 AM
Actualy, stale negation was in melee. Atleast, that's what I heard.

It doesn't matter though, it only decreases damage given. Not the knockback. Right?
I could have sworn he said that if you feel like your move is not knocking back your opponent as far as it should to try mixing it up a bit. That is the line that made me worry about my strategy.

Oh. Well then, adds a whole new strategy doesn't it?

Good thing pichu isn't in, or else MY strategy would be destroyed. D:

CuccoGuy · February 21, 2008, 10:53:35 AM

It was in melee. Havent you got the bonus "Stale Moves" before? I juggle with Marth, and he doesn't lose much knockback. Of course, I jump into the air to get about 3 hits while I juggle, so try that. Marth doesn't really have stale negation.

StarWindWizard7 · February 21, 2008, 11:12:31 AM

Quote from: NINTENDO_PAWNAGE_RAWK on February 21, 2008, 06:05:21 AM
This is one of my least favorite things about the game. If I am trying to juggle someone with Marth's up aerial or just trying to keep mashing them off the stage with a side smash than eventually it is gonna suck! I honestly do not see that as fair with some characters like Marth because I think it gives the opponent the edge in battle. Although Marth is the only character whose graze attacks will actually do more damage instead of doing nothing, so it might balance out in the end. What do you think of this negation and how do you think it will affect game play?

Forcing them off the edge may still happen, it's just the damage caused from it
will decrease ....atleast I think thats what Sakurai meant.

Triforceman22 · February 21, 2008, 01:19:58 PM

What is stale move negation?

Also in brawl if you repeatedly tap the control stick left to right quickly, your character slips...
More realistic. :)

Tupin · February 21, 2008, 01:23:14 PM

Quote from: Triforceman22 on February 21, 2008, 01:19:58 PM
What is stale move negation?

Also in brawl if you repeatedly tap the control stick left to right quickly, your character slips...
More realistic. :)

If you keep using the same moves, you won't get a high score. This is intentional to make you use all of the moves a character has.

He doesn't like it because using moves over and over again is part of his strategy.

amplas · February 21, 2008, 01:41:08 PM

I don't really think it will be a problem for me. Ike probably won't get as many attacks in as some other characters so I'll probably not have any problem with it.

tibar7 · February 21, 2008, 10:37:14 PM

Quote from: NINTENDO_PAWNAGE_RAWK on February 21, 2008, 06:05:21 AM
This is one of my least favorite things about the game. If I am trying to juggle someone with Marth's up aerial or just trying to keep mashing them off the stage with a side smash than eventually it is gonna suck! I honestly do not see that as fair with some characters like Marth because I think it gives the opponent the edge in battle. Although Marth is the only character whose graze attacks will actually do more damage instead of doing nothing, so it might balance out in the end. What do you think of this negation and how do you think it will affect game play?

they may have done stale move negation for that because of characters like Marth. there are other ways to win other than that. for instance, instead of a side smash use the charged B move

Skye8600 · February 21, 2008, 10:39:57 PM

Quote from: tibar7 on February 21, 2008, 10:37:14 PM
Quote from: NINTENDO_PAWNAGE_RAWK on February 21, 2008, 06:05:21 AM
This is one of my least favorite things about the game. If I am trying to juggle someone with Marth's up aerial or just trying to keep mashing them off the stage with a side smash than eventually it is gonna suck! I honestly do not see that as fair with some characters like Marth because I think it gives the opponent the edge in battle. Although Marth is the only character whose graze attacks will actually do more damage instead of doing nothing, so it might balance out in the end. What do you think of this negation and how do you think it will affect game play?
they may have done stale move negation for that because of characters like Marth. there are other ways to win other than that. for instance, instead of a side smash use the charged B move

?HA!
now when you use falcos over smash consecutively it wont work!!