It was never Sakurai's intention for tiers to exist. He wanted every character balanced and even with there own strengths and weaknesses. However it's impossible to avoid tiers in any competitive game (Pokemon's a example: lol you expect a Metapod to own a Groundon?) Anyways here's the tier list. A tier list is based on how well a character performs in a balanced area(No items, and stage is Final Destination,etc.) oh and it's usually exprimented with human players and low level computers(lv 9 computers don't actually fight like humans). Correct me if I'm wrong.
Top Tier
Fox
Falco
High Tier
Sheik
Marth
Peach
Middle Tier
Captain Falcon
Ice Climbers
Samus
Dr.Mario
Jigglypuff
Mario
Ganondorf
Low Tier
Link
Luigi
Donkey Kong
Roy
Young Link
Pikachu
Bottom Tier
Yoshi
Zelda
Mr.Game and Watch
Ness
Bowser
Kirby
Pichu
Mewtwo
You'll notice that Speed is a great factor and there ability to reduce lag too. :o Anyways if your dissapointed with the list complain to pros at the Smashboards, not me. Whenever this tier list is posted people complain that Link, Mewtwo, Roy, Kirby, and Ganondorfare too low. OH WELL. I use Ness and Captain Falcon. It's always good to have a higher tier character to use if your low tier one is too low on the list from your opponent. Oh and don't think just because your using a high tier character that you'll win. Your skill matters more then tiers, but they still effect the way you play.
Good job making the list. Can you make one based on what we saw from the Brawl Trailors for the Brawl characters?
I didn't make it lol. IDK. But I heard Mario or Peach were awesome there.
Quote from: CommanderFlint on December 31, 2007, 09:33:28 AM
I didn't make it lol. IDK. But I heard Mario or Peach were awesome there.
Also Fox has been nerfed.
Quote from: CommanderFlint on December 31, 2007, 09:13:53 AM
It was never Sakurai's intention for tiers to exist. He wanted every character balanced and even with there own strengths and weaknesses. However it's impossible to avoid tiers in any competitive game (Pokemon's a example: lol you expect a Metapod to own a Groundon?) Anyways here's the tier list. A tier list is based on how well a character performs in a balanced area(No items, and stage is Final Destination,etc.) oh and it's usually exprimented with human players and low level computers(lv 9 computers don't actually fight like humans). Correct me if I'm wrong.
Top Tier
Fox
Falco
High Tier
Sheik
Marth
Peach
Middle Tier
Captain Falcon
Ice Climbers
Samus
Dr.Mario
Jigglypuff
Mario
Ganondorf
Low Tier
Link
Luigi
Donkey Kong
Roy
Young Link
Pikachu
Bottom Tier
Yoshi
Zelda
Mr.Game and Watch
Ness
Bowser
Kirby
Pichu
Mewtwo
You'll notice that Speed is a great factor and there ability to reduce lag too. :o Anyways if your dissapointed with the list complain to pros at the Smashboards, not me. Whenever this tier list is posted people complain that Link, Mewtwo, Roy, Kirby, and Ganondorfare too low. OH WELL. I use Ness and Captain Falcon. It's always good to have a higher tier character to use if your low tier one is too low on the list from your opponent. Oh and don't think just because your using a high tier character that you'll win. Your skill matters more then tiers, but they still effect the way you play.
:O
Captain Falcon, THAT WAS IT!
Why do you guys compliment him, but when I brought the tiers here so long ago you said they were Bulll poop. AHHHHHHHHHH
So yeah, you're a little late Commander. I've taught them a good amount of basic professional stuff. I'm not sure what I've forgot, but if you have the need to educate these under-educated Smashers, try to think more outside of the box.
Well that thing where training on lower level computers improves you better was clever through right? :P I just found that out two months ago. I'm using lv. 7s to train now.
Quote from: CommanderFlint on December 31, 2007, 09:49:38 AM
Well that thing where training on lower level computers improves you better was clever through right? :P I just found that out two months ago. I'm using lv. 7s to train now.
A little late again, but better :P.
I usually use 1s simply because of my own mindgame (don't want to start accepting them as real people) and 8s because 9's have inhuman reflexes. I also use 5's occasionally because anything past that DIs the same way every time.
Quote from: Dawei on December 31, 2007, 09:44:37 AM
Why do you guys compliment him, but when I brought the tiers here so long ago you said they were Bulll s***. AHHHHHHHHHH
So yeah, you're a little late Commander. I've taught them a good amount of basic professional stuff. I'm not sure what I've forgot, but if you have the need to educate these under-educated Smashers, try to think more outside of the box.
He tought me a BUNCH of stuffs! ;D
I just wish I could play more. :(
Link's low tier....:(
But how could ganondorf beat him?!
Link's way faster, and attacks faster than the big G... :-\
Quote from: Triforceman22 on December 31, 2007, 10:28:36 AM
Link's low tier....:(
But how could ganondorf beat him?!
Link's way faster, and attacks faster than the big G... :-\
Yes, BUT, While Ganon is VERY strong, Ganon is a fast Heavy Weight! PLAY, Most of Ganon's moves don't have a lot of lag.
Cause he's so darn powerful. And his SHFFLing's great. And Ganon's moves lag(Most heavy characters do).
Quote from: CommanderFlint on December 31, 2007, 10:51:27 AM
Cause he's so darn powerful. And his SHFFLing's great. And Ganon's moves lag(Most heavy characters do).
Yeah, that's kind of logic I guess...
but i will still alwys use Link. :)
Quote from: Triforceman22 on December 31, 2007, 11:21:44 AM
Quote from: CommanderFlint on December 31, 2007, 10:51:27 AM
Cause he's so darn powerful. And his SHFFLing's great. And Ganon's moves lag(Most heavy characters do).
Yeah, that's kind of logic I guess...
but i will still alwys use Link. :)
:O
YOUR LINK VS. MY NESS opr JIGGLYPUFF!
I don't think anyone's posted a Tier List here yet.
Very nice.
My apologies Dawei if you did because I haven't seen it.
Also, how come you don't post at NS2 anymore Flint?
Jigglypuff the the most middle Mario.
I still post sometimes at NS2. Just not the Smashboards much anymore.
What is really the point of the tier list. Skill is everything that makes the character good or bad. When I play as Ganondorf I can make him faster than a computer can and that's not because the computers in melee don't know how to run.
Quote from: tollhouse2006 on December 31, 2007, 05:04:59 PM
What is really the point of the tier list. Skill is everything that makes the character good or bad. When I play as Ganondorf I can make him faster than a computer can and that's not because the computers in melee don't know how to run.
Because a character is better than another. Also, computer should never be compared to, Ever. Unless you are saying something like "He/She is as bad as a computer".
If you are playing the most skilled Ganandorf Vs. the most skilled Fox, Fox is going to win almost every time. Even if the Fox isn't the most skilled, he has a better chance of winning than Ganondorf.
Quote from: Dawei on December 31, 2007, 05:54:01 PM
Quote from: tollhouse2006 on December 31, 2007, 05:04:59 PM
What is really the point of the tier list. Skill is everything that makes the character good or bad. When I play as Ganondorf I can make him faster than a computer can and that's not because the computers in melee don't know how to run.
Because a character is better than another. Also, computer should never be compared to, Ever. Unless you are saying something like "He/She is as bad as a computer".
If you are playing the most skilled Ganandorf Vs. the most skilled Fox, Fox is going to win almost every time. Even if the Fox isn't the most skilled, he has a better chance of winning than Ganondorf.
Makes sense. Fox's speed overwhelms Ganondorf but Ganondorf's attacks are far stronger. I see where the probability of Fox's chances come in. Thanks for making that clear.
That doesn't stop me from being invincible with da Yoshster... I Think that fox is a good character, though I hate his fast fall... His aerials own, but other than that he really has no good attacks.
Quote from: Depster on January 01, 2008, 07:50:06 PM
That doesn't stop me from being invincible with da Yoshster... I Think that fox is a good character, though I hate his fast fall... His aerials own, but other than that he really has no good attacks.
Meanwhile, Jiggs Air Game, B moves and Throwing Game are AWESOME!
BUT, Lots of lag. :-\
I use characters throughout the tier list, for example, I use Ice climbers as my mains then comes Luigi then ness. I can also play a good peach but I don't even touch the top tiers.
Quote from: WaterGod on January 01, 2008, 08:01:03 PM
I use characters throughout the tier list, for example, I use Ice climbers as my mains then comes Luigi then ness. I can also play a good peach but I don't even touch the top tiers.
My list
Ness
Jigglypuff
Link
Falco
Dr. Mario
Pichu
Marth
Fox
Mr. G&W
Ice Climbers
Peach
Ganon
C. Falcon
Kirby
Y. Link
Of course, not in that order. ;)
I'll consider using Yoshi, Doc, Link, Samus, and Jiggly just for the fun of it. I hardly touch anyone else.
Quote from: Depster on January 01, 2008, 08:09:03 PM
I'll consider using Yoshi, Doc, Link, Samus, and Jiggly just for the fun of it. I hardly touch anyone else.
I touch pretty much everyone.
AND I'M NOT FAT! >:( :'(
Quote from: Shujinco on January 01, 2008, 08:11:48 PM
Quote from: Depster on January 01, 2008, 08:09:03 PM
I'll consider using Yoshi, Doc, Link, Samus, and Jiggly just for the fun of it. I hardly touch anyone else.
I touch pretty much everyone.
AND I'M NOT FAT! >:( :'(
Those posts were so subliminally sexual, I can't help but comment on it.
Quote from: Dawei on January 01, 2008, 08:50:29 PM
Quote from: Shujinco on January 01, 2008, 08:11:48 PM
Quote from: Depster on January 01, 2008, 08:09:03 PM
I'll consider using Yoshi, Doc, Link, Samus, and Jiggly just for the fun of it. I hardly touch anyone else.
I touch pretty much everyone.
AND I'M NOT FAT! >:( :'(
Those posts were so subliminally sexual, I can't help but comment on it.
I! AM! NOT! FAT!
Quote from: Shujinco on January 01, 2008, 08:52:34 PM
Quote from: Dawei on January 01, 2008, 08:50:29 PM
Quote from: Shujinco on January 01, 2008, 08:11:48 PM
Quote from: Depster on January 01, 2008, 08:09:03 PM
I'll consider using Yoshi, Doc, Link, Samus, and Jiggly just for the fun of it. I hardly touch anyone else.
I touch pretty much everyone.
AND I'M NOT FAT! >:( :'(
Those posts were so subliminally sexual, I can't help but comment on it.
I! AM! NOT! FAT!
Sexual Predators aren't always fat.
Quote from: Dawei on January 01, 2008, 08:57:52 PM
Quote from: Shujinco on January 01, 2008, 08:52:34 PM
Quote from: Dawei on January 01, 2008, 08:50:29 PM
Quote from: Shujinco on January 01, 2008, 08:11:48 PM
Quote from: Depster on January 01, 2008, 08:09:03 PM
I'll consider using Yoshi, Doc, Link, Samus, and Jiggly just for the fun of it. I hardly touch anyone else.
I touch pretty much everyone.
AND I'M NOT FAT! >:( :'(
Those posts were so subliminally sexual, I can't help but comment on it.
I! AM! NOT! FAT!
Sexual Predators aren't always fat.
NOW YOUR CALLING ME STUPID!
Your mean. >:(
Quote from: Shujinco on January 01, 2008, 09:19:26 PM
Quote from: Dawei on January 01, 2008, 08:57:52 PM
Quote from: Shujinco on January 01, 2008, 08:52:34 PM
Quote from: Dawei on January 01, 2008, 08:50:29 PM
Quote from: Shujinco on January 01, 2008, 08:11:48 PM
Quote from: Depster on January 01, 2008, 08:09:03 PM
I'll consider using Yoshi, Doc, Link, Samus, and Jiggly just for the fun of it. I hardly touch anyone else.
I touch pretty much everyone.
AND I'M NOT FAT! >:( :'(
Those posts were so subliminally sexual, I can't help but comment on it.
I! AM! NOT! FAT!
Sexual Predators aren't always fat.
NOW YOUR CALLING ME STUPID!
Your mean. >:(
At least I don't go around blatantly insulting people like you are doing.
Quote from: Dawei on January 01, 2008, 09:23:23 PM
Quote from: Shujinco on January 01, 2008, 09:19:26 PM
Quote from: Dawei on January 01, 2008, 08:57:52 PM
Quote from: Shujinco on January 01, 2008, 08:52:34 PM
Quote from: Dawei on January 01, 2008, 08:50:29 PM
Quote from: Shujinco on January 01, 2008, 08:11:48 PM
Quote from: Depster on January 01, 2008, 08:09:03 PM
I'll consider using Yoshi, Doc, Link, Samus, and Jiggly just for the fun of it. I hardly touch anyone else.
I touch pretty much everyone.
AND I'M NOT FAT! >:( :'(
Those posts were so subliminally sexual, I can't help but comment on it.
I! AM! NOT! FAT!
Sexual Predators aren't always fat.
NOW YOUR CALLING ME STUPID!
Your mean. >:(
At least I don't go around blatantly insulting people like you are doing.
He's got a point...
sorry for starting the whole "touch" thing i couldn't think of another word
Quote from: Triforce_Luigi on January 01, 2008, 09:25:14 PM
Quote from: Dawei on January 01, 2008, 09:23:23 PM
Quote from: Shujinco on January 01, 2008, 09:19:26 PM
Quote from: Dawei on January 01, 2008, 08:57:52 PM
Quote from: Shujinco on January 01, 2008, 08:52:34 PM
Quote from: Dawei on January 01, 2008, 08:50:29 PM
Quote from: Shujinco on January 01, 2008, 08:11:48 PM
Quote from: Depster on January 01, 2008, 08:09:03 PM
I'll consider using Yoshi, Doc, Link, Samus, and Jiggly just for the fun of it. I hardly touch anyone else.
I touch pretty much everyone.
AND I'M NOT FAT! >:( :'(
Those posts were so subliminally sexual, I can't help but comment on it.
I! AM! NOT! FAT!
Sexual Predators aren't always fat.
NOW YOUR CALLING ME STUPID!
Your mean. >:(
At least I don't go around blatantly insulting people like you are doing.
He's got a point...
Thank you for the pie! :3
*Eats pie*