To start it, I'd like to say that some of these glitches are just downright unacceptable. they should have tested the game before letting some of these through. it's been in production for how long, and we still get moves that are instant kills? anyways, I'm stockpiling all of the broken moves or characters (meaning incredibly good, to the point of making them incredible) that I've seen so far.
It has yet to be seen if Lucario is broken or not, but on levels like Hyrule Temple's cave, he'll be unstoppable, no doubt about it.
From Smashboards:
Lucario:
Quote from: Smashboards on February 02, 2008, 02:23:21 PM
I tested Lucario a decent amount over the last 48 hours on my friend's import copy. Found some interesting tidbits. Here's the details.
First and foremost, Lucario has a special property no one else in Brawl has - the more damaged Lucario is, the more damage and knockback all his attacks do. It seems to max out at 200% damage. A move that normally did 15% damage did 26% damage when he was at 200%, and knocked the opponent back about twice as far as normal.
NOTE: I don't play Pokemon so I don't know the real names of these moves, sorry.
Special moves:
B - Charged Shot - MewTwo style. Meaning it can hurt people while charging. At low charge it moves in a wavy pattern like MewTwo's. At high charge it flies fast and straight like Samus's.
Important Note: The maximum size of the charged shot energy ball is affected by Lucario's current damage percent. At 200% damage, its almost the size of his entire body, and very very powerful.
Interesting side use: My friend and I used Lucario to beat 15 minute multi-man Brawl with ease. We each used Lucario, stood under a platform, faced each other, and started charging our nuetral B so that the energy balls overlapped. If an enemy touched the charging energy balls, they'd get permenantly stuck between them and go up to 999 damage without ever moving. Eventually, we managed to get all the enemies stuck at the same time, and just waited for the timer to run down .
Side B - Forward energy blast. Somewhat slow, decent range, powerful when Lucario is at high damage.
Important Note: If used at point-blank range, this move becomes a quick grab and slam away, somewhat like Bowser's original Side-B from Melee. This makes it a great approach move, as if they are far away it will hit them and keep your distance, but if you get close they can't block it because its a grab move.
Down B - Counter (like Marth). If hit at the beginning, Lucario warps and hits his opponent from behind. I'm not sure how it works with Projectiles (never pulled it off) but it might warp to the person that shot it and hit them, which would be neat.
However, this move has a major downside - like Marth's, he is vulnerable after using it until the animation finishes. The big downside though is that the time the actual reflection part of the move lasts is shorter than Marth's, but the time he is vulnerable after is almost twice as long. Most of the time I used this I ended up getting hit anyway .
Up B - Fast warp. Does no damage. Works kind of like Fox's Up+B in that he pauses for a moment (not as long as Fox) then goes in the direction you are pressing. However, he can also change his trajectory while traveling, making him move in an arc, which looks pretty neat. Also, unlike other Up+B's, he can Wall Cling if he hits a wall during it, which is good for extra recovery options.
Final Smash - Big energy bolt that can be aimed in any direction with your stick, fired from far above the stage. Pretty cool looking and deadly.
I can't remember all the details of his A moves, but you can see some videos for that.
The one thing I did want to say is that he still feels like "MewTwo that doesn't suck" to me. He's about as floaty, but heavier (doesn't die as easily), he has a similar double jump, his moves are somewhat sluggish (he's not a quick character). However, his attacks are much more effective than MewTwo's, and I'm sure his special property of doing more damage when he is hurt will be an interesting component of his gameplay.
Hope you guys found this useful - I don't plan to main Lucario at the moment so likely won't post any more here, but mostly just wanted to explain about his special property since I didn't see anyone else mention it before.
Kid Icarus:
Pit's 98% damage side B attack.
4:01 in the video.
http://ca.youtube.com/watch?v=-frrXnyHKp0
I don't know if you can DI out of it, but the move looks pretty vicious. how did this one get by?
Wow.
Sounds good.
Even MORE reason for me to play as Lucario. :D I was already going to play as him, but now i want to play as him even more. :D
Wow. That's some fascinating stuff.
He doesn't seem completely broken, but he'll definitely have a large advantage.
Quote from: TheKoopaBros. on February 02, 2008, 02:27:43 PM
Wow. That's some fascinating stuff.
He doesn't seem completely broken, but he'll definitely have a large advantage.
he was a steel/fighting type for a reason
hes a sayin sayins become more powerful the more there hurt :D
Quote from: TheKoopaBros. on February 02, 2008, 02:27:43 PM
Wow. That's some fascinating stuff.
He doesn't seem completely broken, but he'll definitely have a large advantage.
lol i hope so
Quote from: captainjacksparrow on February 02, 2008, 02:34:00 PM
hes a sayin sayins become more powerful the more there hurt :D
That's why his FS is a blue Kamaya-Maya!
Quote from: Smash Bro 25 on February 02, 2008, 02:41:33 PM
Quote from: captainjacksparrow on February 02, 2008, 02:34:00 PM
hes a sayin sayins become more powerful the more there hurt :D
That's why his FS is a blue Kamaya-Maya!
LIES LUCARIO CAME BEFORE SAIYANS!
its good that i was planning to use Lucario
^_^
Nice!!!
[spoiler]Lucario's[/spoiler] gonna be fun. >:D
All you have to do is not attack Lucario, and you'll win easily :D
Quote from: Cornwad on February 02, 2008, 04:21:26 PM
All you have to do is not attack Lucario, and you'll win easily :D
XD. remember the motion sensor bomb fight?
Quote from: Nashza on February 02, 2008, 04:25:58 PM
Quote from: Cornwad on February 02, 2008, 04:21:26 PM
All you have to do is not attack Lucario, and you'll win easily :D
XD. remember the motion sensor bomb fight?
Boom Boom!
You mean the one where you randomly exploded out of no where? :P
Quote from: Cornwad on February 02, 2008, 04:21:26 PM
All you have to do is not attack Lucario, and you'll win easily :D
but he can also attack you without the need for you to attack him :O
Quote from: Cornwad on February 02, 2008, 04:29:39 PM
Quote from: Nashza on February 02, 2008, 04:25:58 PM
Quote from: Cornwad on February 02, 2008, 04:21:26 PM
All you have to do is not attack Lucario, and you'll win easily :D
XD. remember the motion sensor bomb fight?
Boom Boom!
You mean the one where you randomly exploded out of no where? :P
for the entire match. and i just HAD to run into it.... stupid bombs on walls.
Quote from: Nashza on February 02, 2008, 04:36:56 PM
Quote from: Cornwad on February 02, 2008, 04:29:39 PM
Quote from: Nashza on February 02, 2008, 04:25:58 PM
Quote from: Cornwad on February 02, 2008, 04:21:26 PM
All you have to do is not attack Lucario, and you'll win easily :D
XD. remember the motion sensor bomb fight?
Boom Boom!
You mean the one where you randomly exploded out of no where? :P
for the entire match. and i just HAD to run into it.... stupid bombs on walls.
is this on a video?
Quote from: Michael227 on February 02, 2008, 05:28:59 PM
Quote from: Nashza on February 02, 2008, 04:36:56 PM
Quote from: Cornwad on February 02, 2008, 04:29:39 PM
Quote from: Nashza on February 02, 2008, 04:25:58 PM
Quote from: Cornwad on February 02, 2008, 04:21:26 PM
All you have to do is not attack Lucario, and you'll win easily :D
XD. remember the motion sensor bomb fight?
Boom Boom!
You mean the one where you randomly exploded out of no where? :P
for the entire match. and i just HAD to run into it.... stupid bombs on walls.
is this on a video?
No, we know each other in real life, and this was a match we had in Melee.
Quote from: Cornwad on February 02, 2008, 05:30:41 PM
Quote from: Michael227 on February 02, 2008, 05:28:59 PM
Quote from: Nashza on February 02, 2008, 04:36:56 PM
Quote from: Cornwad on February 02, 2008, 04:29:39 PM
Quote from: Nashza on February 02, 2008, 04:25:58 PM
Quote from: Cornwad on February 02, 2008, 04:21:26 PM
All you have to do is not attack Lucario, and you'll win easily :D
XD. remember the motion sensor bomb fight?
Boom Boom!
You mean the one where you randomly exploded out of no where? :P
for the entire match. and i just HAD to run into it.... stupid bombs on walls.
is this on a video?
No, we know each other in real life, and this was a match we had in Melee.
i thought you weretalking about brawl
Even a more good reason to use Lucario. :)
Pit can deal 98% damage in one move. :|
http://ca.youtube.com/watch?v=-frrXnyHKp0
I've remade this topic into a topic for broken moves/characters. if you have something that looks broken, post it here.
Quote from: Jono2 on February 02, 2008, 07:59:33 PM
Pit can deal 98% damage in one move. :|
http://ca.youtube.com/watch?v=-frrXnyHKp0
I've remade this topic into a topic for broken moves/characters. if you have something that looks broken, post it here.
He is just in a high tier, he isn't broken.
Quote from: Tuppyluver1 on February 02, 2008, 08:01:55 PM
Quote from: Jono2 on February 02, 2008, 07:59:33 PM
Pit can deal 98% damage in one move. :|
http://ca.youtube.com/watch?v=-frrXnyHKp0
I've remade this topic into a topic for broken moves/characters. if you have something that looks broken, post it here.
He is just in a high tier, he isn't broken.
no character in melee could do 98% damage in one move except for Game & Watch, and that was under very limited circumstances that never occurred unless you purposely set it up.
the move is completely broken if the person gets caught in it.
it isnt broken the player hit by it jus di'd into the attack instead of away
HAHAHA! :D
The Sudden Death match with pit and meta-knight made me LMAO!! :D
Quote from: Michael227 on February 02, 2008, 08:16:47 PM
it isnt broken the player hit by it jus di'd into the attack instead of away
did you see how long they were held there?
they would have tried all sorts of things to get out, and only got out at 98%.
Quote from: Jono2 on February 02, 2008, 08:23:43 PM
Quote from: Michael227 on February 02, 2008, 08:16:47 PM
it isnt broken the player hit by it jus di'd into the attack instead of away
did you see how long they were held there?
they would have tried all sorts of things to get out, and only got out at 98%.
there is a reason this doesnt happen often and thats because it isnt broken
Quote from: Michael227 on February 02, 2008, 08:24:59 PM
Quote from: Jono2 on February 02, 2008, 08:23:43 PM
Quote from: Michael227 on February 02, 2008, 08:16:47 PM
it isnt broken the player hit by it jus di'd into the attack instead of away
did you see how long they were held there?
they would have tried all sorts of things to get out, and only got out at 98%.
there is a reason this doesnt happen often and thats because it isnt broken
neither does the ice climber's freeze glitch, but that's broken.
just because it's a rare occurrence doesn't mean it's not broken.
sheiks FS is pretty bad (not so much zelda). It hits them off the stage at an unholy angle. there's a video of it somewhere, but I'm too lazy to look it up.
this vid has the known 35 character's final smashes. Young Link's is the same as Link's just different trajectory on the last slash... so dumb... Captain falcon's is pretty cool, though. Luigi's is just plain weird...
toon link's FS could've been getting a player stuck in a triforce like Link, but then doing constant rapid parry attacks with his sword. instead Sakurai thought it would be cooler if it was identical to another character's.
Quote from: Jono2 on February 02, 2008, 08:27:10 PM
Quote from: Michael227 on February 02, 2008, 08:24:59 PM
Quote from: Jono2 on February 02, 2008, 08:23:43 PM
Quote from: Michael227 on February 02, 2008, 08:16:47 PM
it isnt broken the player hit by it jus di'd into the attack instead of away
did you see how long they were held there?
they would have tried all sorts of things to get out, and only got out at 98%.
there is a reason this doesnt happen often and thats because it isnt broken
neither does the ice climber's freeze glitch, but that's broken.
just because it's a rare occurrence doesn't mean it's not broken.
the iceclimbers freeze GLITCH not th pit side b move glitch
dude, it's just a video game.
Quote from: Michael227 on February 03, 2008, 07:05:34 AM
Quote from: Jono2 on February 02, 2008, 08:27:10 PM
Quote from: Michael227 on February 02, 2008, 08:24:59 PM
Quote from: Jono2 on February 02, 2008, 08:23:43 PM
Quote from: Michael227 on February 02, 2008, 08:16:47 PM
it isnt broken the player hit by it jus di'd into the attack instead of away
did you see how long they were held there?
they would have tried all sorts of things to get out, and only got out at 98%.
there is a reason this doesnt happen often and thats because it isnt broken
neither does the ice climber's freeze glitch, but that's broken.
just because it's a rare occurrence doesn't mean it's not broken.
the iceclimbers freeze GLITCH not th pit side b move glitch
does it matter what it's called? You're grasping for straws.
Quote from: tibar7 on February 03, 2008, 08:02:53 AM
dude, it's just a video game.
and this is a video game forum.
Quote from: Jono2 on February 03, 2008, 08:12:52 AM
Quote from: Michael227 on February 03, 2008, 07:05:34 AM
Quote from: Jono2 on February 02, 2008, 08:27:10 PM
Quote from: Michael227 on February 02, 2008, 08:24:59 PM
Quote from: Jono2 on February 02, 2008, 08:23:43 PM
Quote from: Michael227 on February 02, 2008, 08:16:47 PM
it isnt broken the player hit by it jus di'd into the attack instead of away
did you see how long they were held there?
they would have tried all sorts of things to get out, and only got out at 98%.
there is a reason this doesnt happen often and thats because it isnt broken
neither does the ice climber's freeze glitch, but that's broken.
just because it's a rare occurrence doesn't mean it's not broken.
the iceclimbers freeze GLITCH not th pit side b move glitch
does it matter what it's called? You're grasping for straws.
Quote from: tibar7 on February 03, 2008, 08:02:53 AM
dude, it's just a video game.
and this is a video game forum.
yes it is and this is the only vid i have ever seen pit do that much damage it usualy does like 15-25%
Quote from: Jono2 on February 02, 2008, 08:27:10 PM
Quote from: Michael227 on February 02, 2008, 08:24:59 PM
Quote from: Jono2 on February 02, 2008, 08:23:43 PM
Quote from: Michael227 on February 02, 2008, 08:16:47 PM
it isnt broken the player hit by it jus di'd into the attack instead of away
did you see how long they were held there?
they would have tried all sorts of things to get out, and only got out at 98%.
there is a reason this doesnt happen often and thats because it isnt broken
neither does the ice climber's freeze glitch, but that's broken.
just because it's a rare occurrence doesn't mean it's not broken.
whats the ice climber's freeze glitch?
Quote from: Oren on February 03, 2008, 07:47:17 PM
Quote from: Jono2 on February 02, 2008, 08:27:10 PM
Quote from: Michael227 on February 02, 2008, 08:24:59 PM
Quote from: Jono2 on February 02, 2008, 08:23:43 PM
Quote from: Michael227 on February 02, 2008, 08:16:47 PM
it isnt broken the player hit by it jus di'd into the attack instead of away
did you see how long they were held there?
they would have tried all sorts of things to get out, and only got out at 98%.
there is a reason this doesnt happen often and thats because it isnt broken
neither does the ice climber's freeze glitch, but that's broken.
just because it's a rare occurrence doesn't mean it's not broken.
whats the ice climber's freeze glitch?
when done the player gets frozen if done in training will never reset combo meter and can basicly do 999 combo and damage however the player will stay in the same spot attacks barely move it a millimetre
Quote from: Michael227 on February 03, 2008, 07:50:35 PM
Quote from: Oren on February 03, 2008, 07:47:17 PM
Quote from: Jono2 on February 02, 2008, 08:27:10 PM
Quote from: Michael227 on February 02, 2008, 08:24:59 PM
Quote from: Jono2 on February 02, 2008, 08:23:43 PM
Quote from: Michael227 on February 02, 2008, 08:16:47 PM
it isnt broken the player hit by it jus di'd into the attack instead of away
did you see how long they were held there?
they would have tried all sorts of things to get out, and only got out at 98%.
there is a reason this doesnt happen often and thats because it isnt broken
neither does the ice climber's freeze glitch, but that's broken.
just because it's a rare occurrence doesn't mean it's not broken.
whats the ice climber's freeze glitch?
when done the player gets frozen if done in training will never reset combo meter and can basicly do 999 combo and damage however the player will stay in the same spot attacks barely move it a millimetre
but its in training
does anyone care?
Quote from: Oren on February 03, 2008, 07:51:34 PM
Quote from: Michael227 on February 03, 2008, 07:50:35 PM
Quote from: Oren on February 03, 2008, 07:47:17 PM
Quote from: Jono2 on February 02, 2008, 08:27:10 PM
Quote from: Michael227 on February 02, 2008, 08:24:59 PM
Quote from: Jono2 on February 02, 2008, 08:23:43 PM
Quote from: Michael227 on February 02, 2008, 08:16:47 PM
it isnt broken the player hit by it jus di'd into the attack instead of away
did you see how long they were held there?
they would have tried all sorts of things to get out, and only got out at 98%.
there is a reason this doesnt happen often and thats because it isnt broken
neither does the ice climber's freeze glitch, but that's broken.
just because it's a rare occurrence doesn't mean it's not broken.
whats the ice climber's freeze glitch?
when done the player gets frozen if done in training will never reset combo meter and can basicly do 999 combo and damage however the player will stay in the same spot attacks barely move it a millimetre
but its in training
does anyone care?
it IS possile to do it in a match but it is counted as elimination if you use it in tournys