GETTIN CLOSER!
ROB: Grrr....I hate this little machine with a passion. how dare the dojo trying to make him sound cute!
AUTO FAIL/10
lol :P
i didnt think it was so bad.
ill give em a 7/10
Rob kinda seems promising
WHAT
ROB?!
YAYAYAYAYAYAYAY
Automatic winx1000/10
..... meh/10.
I never wanted him in...
Much more deserving char. should have made it in before that....robot...
I still don't like ROB...
Even though he DOES look kinda cute. :P
But there were a lot of other characters that should have gotten in before him.
Quote from: Triforceman22 on March 06, 2008, 05:21:07 AM
..... meh/10.
I never wanted him in...
Much more deserving char. should have made it in before that....robot...
9/10
He didn't make it in because of who he was, [spoiler]he plays an important role in SSE. He's the ancient minister.[/spoiler]
None of you can resist those eyes, admit it. Besides, it's been over a month. Get over it.
Quote from: NINNIN6 on March 06, 2008, 05:53:36 AM
None of you can resist those eyes, admit it. Besides, it's been over a month. Get over it.
Yeah, I'll try him out, and if he doesn't fit me, he will be my punching bag.
0/10, so many characters deserved to be in over this trash can
10/10 I'm going to try and main him. Although Ridley should be in over him.
Quote from: Nayrman on March 06, 2008, 05:12:45 AM
GETTIN CLOSER!
ROB: Grrr....I hate this little machine with a passion. how dare the dojo trying to make him sound cute!
AUTO FAIL/10
lol :P
TONS more characters could of gotten in over this stupid character, IMO.
Yeah, he's a part of the SSE but that doesn't mean he should be playable. :robotindifferent:
-10/10
It may be over a month, that does not however mean I have to "get over it".
Quote from: StarWindWizard7 on March 06, 2008, 10:51:36 AM
Quote from: Nayrman on March 06, 2008, 05:12:45 AM
GETTIN CLOSER!
ROB: Grrr....I hate this little machine with a passion. how dare the dojo trying to make him sound cute!
AUTO FAIL/10
lol :P
TONS more characters could of gotten in over this stupid character, IMO.
Yeah, he's a part of the SSE but that doesn't mean he should be playable. :robotindifferent:
-10/10
It may be over a month, that does not however mean I have to "get over it".
:O
That coming from YOU?!?!?!?!?!?!?
D8
Quote from: Felldohs_wrath on March 06, 2008, 10:54:59 AM
Quote from: StarWindWizard7 on March 06, 2008, 10:51:36 AM
Quote from: Nayrman on March 06, 2008, 05:12:45 AM
GETTIN CLOSER!
ROB: Grrr....I hate this little machine with a passion. how dare the dojo trying to make him sound cute!
AUTO FAIL/10
lol :P
TONS more characters could of gotten in over this stupid character, IMO.
Yeah, he's a part of the SSE but that doesn't mean he should be playable. :robotindifferent:
-10/10
It may be over a month, that does not however mean I have to "get over it".
:O
That coming from YOU?!?!?!?!?!?!?
D8
What coming from me?
My comment? Yeah well, thats how I feel. :P
I mean, he's in, he's in...nothing I can do about it, but I'm just saying there were a lot more
potential then this character roster.
Quote from: StarWindWizard7 on March 06, 2008, 11:12:34 AM
Quote from: Felldohs_wrath on March 06, 2008, 10:54:59 AM
Quote from: StarWindWizard7 on March 06, 2008, 10:51:36 AM
Quote from: Nayrman on March 06, 2008, 05:12:45 AM
GETTIN CLOSER!
ROB: Grrr....I hate this little machine with a passion. how dare the dojo trying to make him sound cute!
AUTO FAIL/10
lol :P
TONS more characters could of gotten in over this stupid character, IMO.
Yeah, he's a part of the SSE but that doesn't mean he should be playable. :robotindifferent:
-10/10
It may be over a month, that does not however mean I have to "get over it".
:O
That coming from YOU?!?!?!?!?!?!?
D8
What coming from me?
My comment? Yeah well, thats how I feel. :P
I mean, he's in, he's in...nothing I can do about it, but I'm just saying there were a lot more
potential then this character roster.
[spoiler]Toon Zelda/Tetra
Plusle & Minum
Dixie Kong
Mewtwo
Roy[/spoiler]
Could have gotten in, someone hacked the game and found they as previously programmed for the game.
Quote from: wiiboychris on March 06, 2008, 11:22:03 AM
Quote from: StarWindWizard7 on March 06, 2008, 11:12:34 AM
Quote from: Felldohs_wrath on March 06, 2008, 10:54:59 AM
Quote from: StarWindWizard7 on March 06, 2008, 10:51:36 AM
Quote from: Nayrman on March 06, 2008, 05:12:45 AM
GETTIN CLOSER!
ROB: Grrr....I hate this little machine with a passion. how dare the dojo trying to make him sound cute!
AUTO FAIL/10
lol :P
TONS more characters could of gotten in over this stupid character, IMO.
Yeah, he's a part of the SSE but that doesn't mean he should be playable. :robotindifferent:
-10/10
It may be over a month, that does not however mean I have to "get over it".
:O
That coming from YOU?!?!?!?!?!?!?
D8
What coming from me?
My comment? Yeah well, thats how I feel. :P
I mean, he's in, he's in...nothing I can do about it, but I'm just saying there were a lot more
potential then this character roster.
[spoiler]Toon Zelda/Tetra
Plusle & Minum
Dixie Kong
Mewtwo
Roy[/spoiler]
Could have gotten in, someone hacked the game and found they as previously programmed for the game.
Umm.. where did you get this info? I doubt Plusle and Minun would be in. They aren't very popular and would most likely be an ice climbers clone.
Quote from: Geno on March 06, 2008, 12:40:20 PM
Quote from: wiiboychris on March 06, 2008, 11:22:03 AM
Quote from: StarWindWizard7 on March 06, 2008, 11:12:34 AM
Quote from: Felldohs_wrath on March 06, 2008, 10:54:59 AM
Quote from: StarWindWizard7 on March 06, 2008, 10:51:36 AM
Quote from: Nayrman on March 06, 2008, 05:12:45 AM
GETTIN CLOSER!
ROB: Grrr....I hate this little machine with a passion. how dare the dojo trying to make him sound cute!
AUTO FAIL/10
lol :P
TONS more characters could of gotten in over this stupid character, IMO.
Yeah, he's a part of the SSE but that doesn't mean he should be playable. :robotindifferent:
-10/10
It may be over a month, that does not however mean I have to "get over it".
:O
That coming from YOU?!?!?!?!?!?!?
D8
What coming from me?
My comment? Yeah well, thats how I feel. :P
I mean, he's in, he's in...nothing I can do about it, but I'm just saying there were a lot more
potential then this character roster.
[spoiler]Toon Zelda/Tetra
Plusle & Minum
Dixie Kong
Mewtwo
Roy[/spoiler]
Could have gotten in, someone hacked the game and found they as previously programmed for the game.
Umm.. where did you get this info? I doubt Plusle and Minun would be in. They aren't very popular and would most likely be an ice climbers clone.
Exactly, the would be exactly like the IC. The only ones out that list I want back are Mewtwo and Roy. The others don't deserve to be in.
Examine the facts; ROB is a good character, and we learned strategy about him. Also, you give it a low score because you spoiled the game for yourselves.
i like R.O.B i hated him when i first saw him but i like him now 7/10
Quote from: mackormoses on March 06, 2008, 04:28:49 PM
Examine the facts; ROB is a good character, and we learned strategy about him. Also, you give it a low score because you spoiled the game for yourselves.
He doesn't like it because he thinks a lot of other characters deserve it more.
[spoiler]The only reason ROB is in is because of the SSE.[/spoiler]
And maybe we wouldn't have spoiled the game if Nintendo released it earlier. Just saying.
Quote from: NINNIN6 on March 06, 2008, 05:53:36 AM
None of you can resist those eyes, admit it. Besides, it's been over a month. Get over it.
You're right, I can't resist those cute wittle eyes.
Quote from: Java_Java on March 06, 2008, 04:34:59 PM
Quote from: NINNIN6 on March 06, 2008, 05:53:36 AM
None of you can resist those eyes, admit it. Besides, it's been over a month. Get over it.
You're right, I can't resist those cute wittle eyes.
Come to think of it, neither can I.
But if he doesn't suit my fighting style, he will be my punching bag.
Quote from: Tuppyluver1 on March 06, 2008, 04:34:08 PM
Quote from: mackormoses on March 06, 2008, 04:28:49 PM
Examine the facts; ROB is a good character, and we learned strategy about him. Also, you give it a low score because you spoiled the game for yourselves.
He doesn't like it because he thinks a lot of other characters deserve it more.
[spoiler]The only reason ROB is in is because of the SSE.[/spoiler]
And maybe we wouldn't have spoiled the game if Nintendo released it earlier. Just saying.
I am aware, but I feel ROB was an excellent choice.
Two, SSE has nothing to do with it *this thread now has a spoiler warning on it*, it is about Retro. Can't you see it? 75 M, Mario Bros, Excite Bike, Pit, Lakitu and spiny's.....it all screams retro....and so does ROB.
Quote from: mackormoses on March 06, 2008, 04:38:35 PM
Quote from: Tuppyluver1 on March 06, 2008, 04:34:08 PM
Quote from: mackormoses on March 06, 2008, 04:28:49 PM
Examine the facts; ROB is a good character, and we learned strategy about him. Also, you give it a low score because you spoiled the game for yourselves.
He doesn't like it because he thinks a lot of other characters deserve it more.
[spoiler]The only reason ROB is in is because of the SSE.[/spoiler]
And maybe we wouldn't have spoiled the game if Nintendo released it earlier. Just saying.
I am aware, but I feel ROB was an excellent choice.
Two, SSE has nothing to do with it *this thread now has a spoiler warning on it*, it is about Retro. Can't you see it? 75 M, Mario Bros, Excite Bike, Pit, Lakitu and spiny's.....it all screams retro....and so does ROB.
Well I am glad we have all that, but we need a Power Glove or something to add another failed peripheral. :P
Quote from: Tuppyluver1 on March 06, 2008, 04:40:39 PM
Quote from: mackormoses on March 06, 2008, 04:38:35 PM
Quote from: Tuppyluver1 on March 06, 2008, 04:34:08 PM
Quote from: mackormoses on March 06, 2008, 04:28:49 PM
Examine the facts; ROB is a good character, and we learned strategy about him. Also, you give it a low score because you spoiled the game for yourselves.
He doesn't like it because he thinks a lot of other characters deserve it more.
[spoiler]The only reason ROB is in is because of the SSE.[/spoiler]
And maybe we wouldn't have spoiled the game if Nintendo released it earlier. Just saying.
I am aware, but I feel ROB was an excellent choice.
Two, SSE has nothing to do with it *this thread now has a spoiler warning on it*, it is about Retro. Can't you see it? 75 M, Mario Bros, Excite Bike, Pit, Lakitu and spiny's.....it all screams retro....and so does ROB.
Well I am glad we have all that, but we need a Power Glove or something to add another failed peripheral. :P
We have two, Master and Crazy Hand :D
Still think Rob is pointless.
We have three retro characters, IC, Pit, and G&W.
We don't need a lousy failed peripheral as a character. Hell, he was lucky to get into MKDS
I still wonder how this stupid toy got in before Isaac did....
so unfair. I betya more ppl wanted Isaac and frankly fifteen other characters ahead of him.
Not to metnion dumb enemies in story mode shouldn't ever be playable
Quote from: Nayrman on March 06, 2008, 05:30:30 PM
Still think Rob is pointless.
We have three retro characters, IC, Pit, and G&W.
We don't need a lousy failed peripheral as a character. Hell, he was lucky to get into MKDS
I still wonder how this stupid toy got in before Isaac did....
so unfair. I betya more ppl wanted Isaac and frankly fifteen other characters ahead of him.
Not to metnion dumb enemies in story mode shouldn't ever be playable
Well, he [spoiler]IS the Ancient Minister.[/spoiler]
I still don't think that entitles him to be playable.
Let's make a Goomba playable. At least he would be unique and actually contributed a lot to Nintendo. :P
Quote from: Tuppyluver1 on March 06, 2008, 05:33:54 PM
Quote from: Nayrman on March 06, 2008, 05:30:30 PM
Still think Rob is pointless.
We have three retro characters, IC, Pit, and G&W.
We don't need a lousy failed peripheral as a character. Hell, he was lucky to get into MKDS
I still wonder how this stupid toy got in before Isaac did....
so unfair. I betya more ppl wanted Isaac and frankly fifteen other characters ahead of him.
Not to metnion dumb enemies in story mode shouldn't ever be playable
Well, he [spoiler]IS the Ancient Minister.[/spoiler]
I still don't think that entitles him to be playable.
Let's make a Goomba playable. At least he would be unique and actually contributed a lot to Nintendo. :P
[spoiler]Boss apperances mean poop. It didn't help Ridley[/spoiler]
That's the point I'm trying to make. No minor/common enemies should ever be playable.
And I still want like, fifteen other guys than him.
Quote from: Tuppyluver1 on March 06, 2008, 04:40:39 PM
Quote from: mackormoses on March 06, 2008, 04:38:35 PM
Quote from: Tuppyluver1 on March 06, 2008, 04:34:08 PM
Quote from: mackormoses on March 06, 2008, 04:28:49 PM
Examine the facts; ROB is a good character, and we learned strategy about him. Also, you give it a low score because you spoiled the game for yourselves.
He doesn't like it because he thinks a lot of other characters deserve it more.
[spoiler]The only reason ROB is in is because of the SSE.[/spoiler]
And maybe we wouldn't have spoiled the game if Nintendo released it earlier. Just saying.
I am aware, but I feel ROB was an excellent choice.
Two, SSE has nothing to do with it *this thread now has a spoiler warning on it*, it is about Retro. Can't you see it? 75 M, Mario Bros, Excite Bike, Pit, Lakitu and spiny's.....it all screams retro....and so does ROB.
Well I am glad we have all that, but we need a Power Glove or something to add another failed peripheral. :P
Hmm...Virtual Boy FTBRAWL!
Quote from: Nayrman on March 06, 2008, 05:36:11 PM
Quote from: Tuppyluver1 on March 06, 2008, 05:33:54 PM
Quote from: Nayrman on March 06, 2008, 05:30:30 PM
Still think Rob is pointless.
We have three retro characters, IC, Pit, and G&W.
We don't need a lousy failed peripheral as a character. Hell, he was lucky to get into MKDS
I still wonder how this stupid toy got in before Isaac did....
so unfair. I betya more ppl wanted Isaac and frankly fifteen other characters ahead of him.
Not to metnion dumb enemies in story mode shouldn't ever be playable
Well, he [spoiler]IS the Ancient Minister.[/spoiler]
I still don't think that entitles him to be playable.
Let's make a Goomba playable. At least he would be unique and actually contributed a lot to Nintendo. :P
[spoiler]Boss apperances mean poop. It didn't help Ridley[/spoiler]
That's the point I'm trying to make. No minor/common enemies should ever be playable.
And I still want like, fifteen other guys than him.
But you see, the enemy is the ROB SQUAD. ROB is just ROB. :P
But yeah, I would rather have Cream the Rabbit playable.
Quote from: Tuppyluver1 on March 06, 2008, 05:39:40 PM
Quote from: Nayrman on March 06, 2008, 05:36:11 PM
Quote from: Tuppyluver1 on March 06, 2008, 05:33:54 PM
Quote from: Nayrman on March 06, 2008, 05:30:30 PM
Still think Rob is pointless.
We have three retro characters, IC, Pit, and G&W.
We don't need a lousy failed peripheral as a character. Hell, he was lucky to get into MKDS
I still wonder how this stupid toy got in before Isaac did....
so unfair. I betya more ppl wanted Isaac and frankly fifteen other characters ahead of him.
Not to metnion dumb enemies in story mode shouldn't ever be playable
Well, he [spoiler]IS the Ancient Minister.[/spoiler]
I still don't think that entitles him to be playable.
Let's make a Goomba playable. At least he would be unique and actually contributed a lot to Nintendo. :P
[spoiler]Boss apperances mean s***. It didn't help Ridley[/spoiler]
That's the point I'm trying to make. No minor/common enemies should ever be playable.
And I still want like, fifteen other guys than him.
But you see, the enemy is the ROB SQUAD. ROB is just ROB. :P
But yeah, I would rather have Cream the Rabbit playable.
Bitch ninny ninny
Come on, look at it this way....he is THE R.O.B. not a member of the squad. He is THE villain, as far as we know, and he represents Retro. You say 3 is too many, well, what Mario characters would you like to give up? Your options are Mario, Luigi, Peach, Bowser, DK, Yoshi, and Diddy....remove 4 of them.
Retro is deserving of reps, it is what MADE Nintendo.
Also, I placed a spoiler warning on this thread a long time ago, no need to keep adding [ spoiler ] tags.
Quote from: mackormoses on March 06, 2008, 06:59:58 PM
Quote from: Tuppyluver1 on March 06, 2008, 05:39:40 PM
Quote from: Nayrman on March 06, 2008, 05:36:11 PM
Quote from: Tuppyluver1 on March 06, 2008, 05:33:54 PM
Quote from: Nayrman on March 06, 2008, 05:30:30 PM
Still think Rob is pointless.
We have three retro characters, IC, Pit, and G&W.
We don't need a lousy failed peripheral as a character. Hell, he was lucky to get into MKDS
I still wonder how this stupid toy got in before Isaac did....
so unfair. I betya more ppl wanted Isaac and frankly fifteen other characters ahead of him.
Not to metnion dumb enemies in story mode shouldn't ever be playable
Well, he [spoiler]IS the Ancient Minister.[/spoiler]
I still don't think that entitles him to be playable.
Let's make a Goomba playable. At least he would be unique and actually contributed a lot to Nintendo. :P
[spoiler]Boss apperances mean s***. It didn't help Ridley[/spoiler]
That's the point I'm trying to make. No minor/common enemies should ever be playable.
And I still want like, fifteen other guys than him.
But you see, the enemy is the ROB SQUAD. ROB is just ROB. :P
But yeah, I would rather have Cream the Rabbit playable.
Bitch ninny ninny
Come on, look at it this way....he is THE R.O.B. not a member of the squad. He is THE villain, as far as we know, and he represents Retro. You say 3 is too many, well, what Mario characters would you like to give up? Your options are Mario, Luigi, Peach, Bowser, DK, Yoshi, and Diddy....remove 4 of them.
Retro is deserving of reps, it is what MADE Nintendo.
Also, I placed a spoiler warning on this thread a long time ago, no need to keep adding [ spoiler ] tags.
When you put it that way, I guess ROB is a decent rep.
Mack = Wrong.
Sakurai added them for retro nostalgia yes...
But what good is that if the new school isn't well represented?
Quote from: Hector_the_Axe on March 06, 2008, 07:29:45 PM
Mack = Wrong.
Sakurai added them for retro nostalgia yes...
But what good is that if the new school isn't well represented?
Oh, terribly sorry......Snake doesn't at all represent an up and coming new game, or Sonic, or Mario, or Samus, or the newest franchises of Pokemon and Star Fox.
Quote from: mackormoses on March 06, 2008, 07:33:29 PM
Quote from: Hector_the_Axe on March 06, 2008, 07:29:45 PM
Mack = Wrong.
Sakurai added them for retro nostalgia yes...
But what good is that if the new school isn't well represented?
Oh, terribly sorry......Snake doesn't at all represent an up and coming new game, or Sonic, or Mario, or Samus, or the newest franchises of Pokemon and Star Fox.
Of Nintendo, obviously.
And why should we be stuck in the past?
Retro is well and good, but did a newer character, more successful character
such as... lets say Issac ( cant think right now) deserve to be made playable over ROB?
Hell Yes.
And quiet frankly, Mario, Samus, Link, and Sonic, heck even Pokemon, are all old characters, fusing retro with the new art styles.
Smash is an homage to the clashing of Video Game worlds.
So I hardly think its right to say that tons of retro characters should have been added.
Its basically perfect the way it is.
Although, Which audience is Brawl trying to appeal to mack?
Everyone, or oldschool gamers?
Everyone.
[/thread]
Quote from: mackormoses on March 06, 2008, 07:33:29 PM
Quote from: Hector_the_Axe on March 06, 2008, 07:29:45 PM
Mack = Wrong.
Sakurai added them for retro nostalgia yes...
But what good is that if the new school isn't well represented?
Oh, terribly sorry......Snake doesn't at all represent an up and coming new game, or Sonic, or Mario, or Samus, or the newest franchises of Pokemon and Star Fox.
Addendum: Captain Olimar, Captain Falcon, Twilight Princess designs.
If a character did not get in, Sakurai had no reason to put them in. Where was it guaranteed that highly requested characters would get in? Pokemon Trainer wasn't, and he's just some kid who never speaks. And, believe it or not, R.O.B. was entered for the true, hardcore gamers. Do you think any casual gamer would know darn poop crap about R.O.B.?
Quote from: Hector_the_Axe on March 06, 2008, 07:39:09 PM
Quote from: mackormoses on March 06, 2008, 07:33:29 PM
Quote from: Hector_the_Axe on March 06, 2008, 07:29:45 PM
Mack = Wrong.
Sakurai added them for retro nostalgia yes...
But what good is that if the new school isn't well represented?
Oh, terribly sorry......Snake doesn't at all represent an up and coming new game, or Sonic, or Mario, or Samus, or the newest franchises of Pokemon and Star Fox.
Of Nintendo, obviously.
And why should we be stuck in the past?
Retro is well and good, but did a newer character, more successful character
such as... lets say Issac ( cant think right now) deserve to be made playable over ROB?
Hell Yes.
And quiet frankly, Mario, Samus, Link, and Sonic, heck even Pokemon, are all old characters, fusing retro with the new art styles.
Smash is an homage to the clashing of Video Game worlds.
So I hardly think its right to say that tons of retro characters should have been added.
Its basically perfect the way it is.
Although, Which audience is Brawl trying to appeal to mack?
Everyone, or oldschool gamers?
Everyone.
[/thread]
And I think the addition of some many modes and reduced difficulty more than makes up for that. Besides, Sakurai said he would like everyone to be able to play the game, but this is a game for gamers.
Quote from: mackormoses on March 06, 2008, 06:59:58 PM
b*** b*** b***
Come on, look at it this way....he is THE R.O.B. not a member of the squad. He is THE villain, as far as we know, and he represents Retro. You say 3 is too many, well, what Mario characters would you like to give up? Your options are Mario, Luigi, Peach, Bowser, DK, Yoshi, and Diddy....remove 4 of them.
Retro is deserving of reps, it is what MADE Nintendo.
Also, I placed a spoiler warning on this thread a long time ago, no need to keep adding [ spoiler ] tags.
First off:
DK, Diddy, and Yoshi technically aren't Mario Reps (even tho Yoshi should be).
Also, ROB was a horribly failed, cheap plastic little toy that didn't do much of anything. Trust me, I've played with one, it's terrilbe.
WHy does Nintendo bother remembering this piece of crap?
If anything it's the retro/hardcore gamers that will actually buy this game.
People who weren't interested before either wouldnt know rob, nor care.
Again, between Toon Link and ROB, I wonder what Sakurai was thinking at some points.
and I still want Isaac in X+X;;;
Believe it or not Hector, Smash is aimed at the Hardcore, it wants to attract people BACK to Nintendo. While they are at it, they choose to add features to bring casual gamers into the mix, and I must say, they do a fine job of it.
Lucario and Olimar are clearly representing current gen, While Sonic and Snake both represent third party, and revitalized franchises. Believe it or not, MGS4 is highly sought after, much like Brawl....and truly no game represents the current gen more.
The rest are average gen, like Mario, who mix the old with the new (although, FLUDD is quite new) so there isn't really arguing. Smash has, and always will, put the hardcore first, and the casual second.....the casuals just don't know it.
Quote from: Nayrman on March 06, 2008, 08:01:08 PM
Quote from: mackormoses on March 06, 2008, 06:59:58 PM
b*** b*** b***
Come on, look at it this way....he is THE R.O.B. not a member of the squad. He is THE villain, as far as we know, and he represents Retro. You say 3 is too many, well, what Mario characters would you like to give up? Your options are Mario, Luigi, Peach, Bowser, DK, Yoshi, and Diddy....remove 4 of them.
Retro is deserving of reps, it is what MADE Nintendo.
Also, I placed a spoiler warning on this thread a long time ago, no need to keep adding [ spoiler ] tags.
First off:
DK, Diddy, and Yoshi technically aren't Mario Reps (even tho Yoshi should be).
Also, ROB was a horribly failed, cheap plastic little toy that didn't do much of anything. Trust me, I've played with one, it's terrilbe.
WHy does Nintendo bother remembering this piece of crap?
If anything it's the retro/hardcore gamers that will actually buy this game.
People who weren't interested before either wouldnt know rob, nor care.
Again, between Toon Link and ROB, I wonder what Sakurai was thinking at some points.
and I still want Isaac in X+X;;;
Issac would have been soooo awesome.... ;-;
Quote from: mackormoses on March 06, 2008, 08:01:55 PM
Believe it or not Hector, Smash is aimed at the Hardcore, it wants to attract people BACK to Nintendo. While they are at it, they choose to add features to bring casual gamers into the mix, and I must say, they do a fine job of it.
Lucario and Olimar are clearly representing current gen, While Sonic and Snake both represent third party, and revitalized franchises. Believe it or not, MGS4 is highly sought after, much like Brawl....and truly no game represents the current gen more.
The rest are average gen, like Mario, who mix the old with the new (although, FLUDD is quite new) so there isn't really arguing. Smash has, and always will, put the hardcore first, and the casual second.....the casuals just don't know it.
In short.......
We want the game?
Quote from: Hector_the_Axe on March 06, 2008, 08:03:19 PM
Quote from: mackormoses on March 06, 2008, 08:01:55 PM
Believe it or not Hector, Smash is aimed at the Hardcore, it wants to attract people BACK to Nintendo. While they are at it, they choose to add features to bring casual gamers into the mix, and I must say, they do a fine job of it.
Lucario and Olimar are clearly representing current gen, While Sonic and Snake both represent third party, and revitalized franchises. Believe it or not, MGS4 is highly sought after, much like Brawl....and truly no game represents the current gen more.
The rest are average gen, like Mario, who mix the old with the new (although, FLUDD is quite new) so there isn't really arguing. Smash has, and always will, put the hardcore first, and the casual second.....the casuals just don't know it.
In short.......
We want the game?
More like, We want the game, so we should get whom we want in it....
some developer choices are fine and all, but how do half of the usual top ten list don't even get recognized with AT's even!?
Also, Mack, tell the hardcore stuff to Nintendo please...they've all but given up on us X_X;;
After Brawl all the games I want are for PS3
In short, if all you are going to do is ninny about what could have been, you have no place here. Face it, 3 days.....one game. Get out if you still haven't accepted that you're fav. characters aren't in.
Quote from: mackormoses on March 06, 2008, 08:06:00 PM
In short, if all you are going to do is b*** about what could have been, you have no place here. Face it, 3 days.....one game. Get out if you still haven't accepted that you're fav. characters aren't in.
Heh...
Now you turn it on me...
For shame.
We are allowed to reminisce all we want, and who knows?
SSB isn't dead yet....
Nice chatting with you.... :P
Quote from: mackormoses on March 06, 2008, 08:06:00 PM
In short, if all you are going to do is b*** about what could have been, you have no place here. Face it, 3 days.....one game. Get out if you still haven't accepted that you're fav. characters aren't in.
I'm just b***ing about Toon Link, but mostly ROB. Since those two entries serve absolutely no purpose and, well, again, more than half of the "general" most wanted list didn't even get AT's...
obviously Sakurai had an idea of what he wwanted in the first place.
Again, Nintendo never listens to us gamers about what we want.
I don't think anything other than story mode and online (which was a huge no brainer for both accounts) in the game really...
at least in effects to the asked for stuff.
Still going to be an awesome game, but like IGN says, it seems that a lot of the potential was lost
Quote from: Nayrman on March 06, 2008, 08:05:15 PM
Quote from: Hector_the_Axe on March 06, 2008, 08:03:19 PM
Quote from: mackormoses on March 06, 2008, 08:01:55 PM
Believe it or not Hector, Smash is aimed at the Hardcore, it wants to attract people BACK to Nintendo. While they are at it, they choose to add features to bring casual gamers into the mix, and I must say, they do a fine job of it.
Lucario and Olimar are clearly representing current gen, While Sonic and Snake both represent third party, and revitalized franchises. Believe it or not, MGS4 is highly sought after, much like Brawl....and truly no game represents the current gen more.
The rest are average gen, like Mario, who mix the old with the new (although, FLUDD is quite new) so there isn't really arguing. Smash has, and always will, put the hardcore first, and the casual second.....the casuals just don't know it.
In short.......
We want the game?
More like, We want the game, so we should get whom we want in it....
some developer choices are fine and all, but how do half of the usual top ten list don't even get recognized with AT's even!?
Also, Mack, tell the hardcore stuff to Nintendo please...they've all but given up on us X_X;;
After Brawl all the games I want are for PS3
People don't know what they want, and, IIRC, everyone just wanted Melee with online. The top ten list was not official, it was put together by purveyors, and the ones Sakurai pointed out, he said he just found them interesting. There was no reason to get hopes up.
Nintendo hasn't given up on the hardcore gamers; this is why games, such as Brawl, are still made. Quite frankly, only Westerners are dissatisfied.
The Japanese don't seem to care.
They like everything about the game.
I probably will too.
But it seems like there is just endless potential gone to waste.
Quote from: Nayrman on March 06, 2008, 08:10:23 PM
Quote from: mackormoses on March 06, 2008, 08:06:00 PM
In short, if all you are going to do is b*** about what could have been, you have no place here. Face it, 3 days.....one game. Get out if you still haven't accepted that you're fav. characters aren't in.
I'm just b***ing about Toon Link, but mostly ROB. Since those two entries serve absolutely no purpose and, well, again, more than half of the "general" most wanted list didn't even get AT's...
obviously Sakurai had an idea of what he wwanted in the first place.
Again, Nintendo never listens to us gamers about what we want.
I don't think anything other than story mode and online (which was a huge no brainer for both accounts) in the game really...
at least in effects to the asked for stuff.
Still going to be an awesome game, but like IGN says, it seems that a lot of the potential was lost
Toon Link and ROB are both excellent. Toon Link represents the new face of Nintendo, a group appealing to younger people. ROB represents the old, when Nintendo wasn't afraid of being innovative.......ROB fits in with the Wii.
@Hector: I am not being rude, but you have to come to terms with this. Hardly any of you have left the grievance stage, the rest are in anger.....ACCEPT IT!
@Ninnin: Yes, us westerners are idiots; nothing is good enough for us, it seems.
Quote from: Tuppyluver1 on March 06, 2008, 08:15:46 PM
The Japanese don't seem to care.
They like everything about the game.
I probably will too.
But it seems like there is just endless potential gone to waste.
Every game has untapped potential.
Or.... misguided potential.....
Hence, no perfect game.
Ah well... before Mack goes ballistic...*logs off*(too late)
Why am I ignored? I accepted Rob right off the bat as my possible new main. :robotveryhappy: That Ridley pic won me over lol.
Quote from: mackormoses on March 06, 2008, 08:16:37 PM
Quote from: Nayrman on March 06, 2008, 08:10:23 PM
Quote from: mackormoses on March 06, 2008, 08:06:00 PM
In short, if all you are going to do is b*** about what could have been, you have no place here. Face it, 3 days.....one game. Get out if you still haven't accepted that you're fav. characters aren't in.
I'm just b***ing about Toon Link, but mostly ROB. Since those two entries serve absolutely no purpose and, well, again, more than half of the "general" most wanted list didn't even get AT's...
obviously Sakurai had an idea of what he wwanted in the first place.
Again, Nintendo never listens to us gamers about what we want.
I don't think anything other than story mode and online (which was a huge no brainer for both accounts) in the game really...
at least in effects to the asked for stuff.
Still going to be an awesome game, but like IGN says, it seems that a lot of the potential was lost
Toon Link and ROB are both excellent. Toon Link represents the new face of Nintendo, a group appealing to younger people. ROB represents the old, when Nintendo wasn't afraid of being innovative.......ROB fits in with the Wii.
@Hector: I am not being rude, but you have to come to terms with this. Hardly any of you have left the grievance stage, the rest are in anger.....ACCEPT IT!
@Ninnin: Yes, us westerners are idiots; nothing is good enough for us, it seems.
Never!
And i haven't whined about Hector.... yet....
Dedede has filled that gap.
Quote from: NINNIN6 on March 06, 2008, 08:12:03 PM
Quote from: Nayrman on March 06, 2008, 08:05:15 PM
Quote from: Hector_the_Axe on March 06, 2008, 08:03:19 PM
Quote from: mackormoses on March 06, 2008, 08:01:55 PM
Believe it or not Hector, Smash is aimed at the Hardcore, it wants to attract people BACK to Nintendo. While they are at it, they choose to add features to bring casual gamers into the mix, and I must say, they do a fine job of it.
Lucario and Olimar are clearly representing current gen, While Sonic and Snake both represent third party, and revitalized franchises. Believe it or not, MGS4 is highly sought after, much like Brawl....and truly no game represents the current gen more.
The rest are average gen, like Mario, who mix the old with the new (although, FLUDD is quite new) so there isn't really arguing. Smash has, and always will, put the hardcore first, and the casual second.....the casuals just don't know it.
In short.......
We want the game?
More like, We want the game, so we should get whom we want in it....
some developer choices are fine and all, but how do half of the usual top ten list don't even get recognized with AT's even!?
Also, Mack, tell the hardcore stuff to Nintendo please...they've all but given up on us X_X;;
After Brawl all the games I want are for PS3
People don't know what they want, and, IIRC, everyone just wanted Melee with online. The top ten list was not official, it was put together by purveyors, and the ones Sakurai pointed out, he said he just found them interesting. There was no reason to get hopes up.
Nintendo hasn't given up on the hardcore gamers; this is why games, such as Brawl, are still made. Quite frankly, only Westerners are dissatisfied.
After Brawl, name one hardcore game Nitnedo has scheduled for the Wii?
Oh yea, none. Thank you very much Nintiendo.
Also, is a competent online TOO MUCH TO ASK FOR!?
Hell, Sony has a few steps short of Live for free and Nintendo can't even do anything decent?
Sad to say it takes a now third party developer working on a game basically made only for hardcore ppl to get a decent online.
Also, RAM issue (harddrive plz), graphics (Xbox on minor steroids doesn't cut it anymore...), and frankly I can say a lot since I'm a hardcore gamer.
I love my Wii when it works like the party system it is.
That's why I have a PS3 AND Wii....to make up for eachother's failures.
Nintendo always makes dumb decisions when they're in the console lead X_X;;
Quote from: Hector_the_Axe on March 06, 2008, 08:18:39 PM
Quote from: mackormoses on March 06, 2008, 08:16:37 PM
Quote from: Nayrman on March 06, 2008, 08:10:23 PM
Quote from: mackormoses on March 06, 2008, 08:06:00 PM
In short, if all you are going to do is b*** about what could have been, you have no place here. Face it, 3 days.....one game. Get out if you still haven't accepted that you're fav. characters aren't in.
I'm just b***ing about Toon Link, but mostly ROB. Since those two entries serve absolutely no purpose and, well, again, more than half of the "general" most wanted list didn't even get AT's...
obviously Sakurai had an idea of what he wwanted in the first place.
Again, Nintendo never listens to us gamers about what we want.
I don't think anything other than story mode and online (which was a huge no brainer for both accounts) in the game really...
at least in effects to the asked for stuff.
Still going to be an awesome game, but like IGN says, it seems that a lot of the potential was lost
Toon Link and ROB are both excellent. Toon Link represents the new face of Nintendo, a group appealing to younger people. ROB represents the old, when Nintendo wasn't afraid of being innovative.......ROB fits in with the Wii.
@Hector: I am not being rude, but you have to come to terms with this. Hardly any of you have left the grievance stage, the rest are in anger.....ACCEPT IT!
@Ninnin: Yes, us westerners are idiots; nothing is good enough for us, it seems.
Never!
And i haven't whined about Hector.... yet....
Dedede has filled that gap.
D3 was an excellent choice, and is probably one of the best in the game. You have to look at the good, and ignore the bad.
@Nary: Any number of Wii Ware titles (Ninty has announced more interest in adding a full library of WW titles.
-FZero and Star Fox (aren't announced, but basically confirmed, at a recent event)
-3 words [spoiler] Metroid Prime 3 [/spoiler]
-How hardcore are you? Professor Layton is far from a casual title.
-Filling up on VC titles? No...too bad for you.
Quote from: Nayrman on March 06, 2008, 08:19:00 PM
Quote from: NINNIN6 on March 06, 2008, 08:12:03 PM
Quote from: Nayrman on March 06, 2008, 08:05:15 PM
Quote from: Hector_the_Axe on March 06, 2008, 08:03:19 PM
Quote from: mackormoses on March 06, 2008, 08:01:55 PM
Believe it or not Hector, Smash is aimed at the Hardcore, it wants to attract people BACK to Nintendo. While they are at it, they choose to add features to bring casual gamers into the mix, and I must say, they do a fine job of it.
Lucario and Olimar are clearly representing current gen, While Sonic and Snake both represent third party, and revitalized franchises. Believe it or not, MGS4 is highly sought after, much like Brawl....and truly no game represents the current gen more.
The rest are average gen, like Mario, who mix the old with the new (although, FLUDD is quite new) so there isn't really arguing. Smash has, and always will, put the hardcore first, and the casual second.....the casuals just don't know it.
In short.......
We want the game?
More like, We want the game, so we should get whom we want in it....
some developer choices are fine and all, but how do half of the usual top ten list don't even get recognized with AT's even!?
Also, Mack, tell the hardcore stuff to Nintendo please...they've all but given up on us X_X;;
After Brawl all the games I want are for PS3
People don't know what they want, and, IIRC, everyone just wanted Melee with online. The top ten list was not official, it was put together by purveyors, and the ones Sakurai pointed out, he said he just found them interesting. There was no reason to get hopes up.
Nintendo hasn't given up on the hardcore gamers; this is why games, such as Brawl, are still made. Quite frankly, only Westerners are dissatisfied.
After Brawl, name one hardcore game Nitnedo has scheduled for the Wii?
Oh yea, none. Thank you very much Nintiendo.
Also, is a competent online TOO MUCH TO ASK FOR!?
Hell, Sony has a few steps short of Live for free and Nintendo can't even do anything decent?
Sad to say it takes a now third party developer working on a game basically made only for hardcore ppl to get a decent online.
Also, RAM issue (harddrive plz), graphics (Xbox on minor steroids doesn't cut it anymore...), and frankly I can say a lot since I'm a hardcore gamer.
I love my Wii when it works like the party system it is.
That's why I have a PS3 AND Wii....to make up for eachother's failures.
Nintendo always makes dumb decisions when they're in the console lead X_X;;
It would be nice to consider that Nintendo's biggest sellers have already made Wii appearances, wouldn't it? Third party companies are coming with a crapload of hardcore games, and series such as Star Fox, F-Zero, and Donkey Kong have yet to see stream games on the Wii. They're coming, and you know they are.
Quote from: Tuppyluver1 on March 06, 2008, 08:15:46 PM
The Japanese don't seem to care.
They like everything about the game.
I probably will too.
But it seems like there is just endless potential gone to waste.
I have to 100% Agree. As IGN said, and what Nayrman said, SSBB is a great game but it could of been
so much Better.
I don't deny how great SSBB is, I won't deny how badly I want the game, and I know for a fact
that no matter what I'll enjoy this game, however
what "COULD" of been done and what "SHOULD" of been done.....well should of been done.
This game is, "GOLD" but it could of been "Platinum" if it wasn't for things not being made, IMO.
WiiWare can hardly be considered hardcore X_X;;
Yes, MP3 was great an all, but I have little to look forward to on my Wii after Brawl... (Also, Retro made it, Not Nintendo. American studio FTW)
F-Zero: If Nintendo lets Sega do it again, okay, fine. But WHEN is what I"m askin
SF: Have you played hte last few games? Blech...
*looks at PS3's list of good online games and hit titles coming out after their biggest hit*
Yea...Nintendo is THIS close to catching up to FFXIII, LittleBig planet, God of War 3, Killzone 2...
The Wii is fun as all hell...with friends...
but like I said, it completely abandons the hardcore gamer.
Quote from: Nayrman on March 06, 2008, 08:29:24 PM
WiiWare can hardly be considered hardcore X_X;;
Yes, MP3 was great an all, but I have little to look forward to on my Wii after Brawl... (Also, Retro made it, Not Nintendo. American studio FTW)
F-Zero: If Nintendo lets Sega do it again, okay, fine. But WHEN is what I"m askin
SF: Have you played hte last few games? Blech...
*looks at PS3's list of good online games and hit titles coming out after their biggest hit*
Yea...Nintendo is THIS close to catching up to FFXIII, LittleBig planet, God of War 3, Killzone 2...
The Wii is fun as all hell...with friends...
but like I said, it completely abandons the hardcore gamer.
Or has the hardcore gamer abandoned the Wii? Doesn't sound like too many are giving it credit for what games have come out. Also, ToS2, and FFCC:CB.
Yeah, but what can you say? Casual gaming sells.
I go to Nintendo when I am sick of realism in games. Because that's what they do best.
Quote from: Nayrman on March 06, 2008, 08:29:24 PM
WiiWare can hardly be considered hardcore X_X;;
Yes, MP3 was great an all, but I have little to look forward to on my Wii after Brawl... (Also, Retro made it, Not Nintendo. American studio FTW)
F-Zero: If Nintendo lets Sega do it again, okay, fine. But WHEN is what I"m askin
SF: Have you played hte last few games? Blech...
*looks at PS3's list of good online games and hit titles coming out after their biggest hit*
Yea...Nintendo is THIS close to catching up to FFXIII, LittleBig planet, God of War 3, Killzone 2...
The Wii is fun as all hell...with friends...
but like I said, it completely abandons the hardcore gamer.
Need I remind you Square has proposed several games for the Wii Ware? You don't get much more hardcore than them, besides going into Capcom. As for Star Fox, I am a proud owner of EVERY star fox title. Star Fox does not appeal to newer people, and is a series that has the utmost potential of being the fastest growing series (Metroid has that rank, atm), as it was soooo ignored.
FZERO will be a hit, and MP:3 is STILL Nintendo. Couple that with some epic RPG's being released just for DS (oh look, Bioware is making a game with a little blue hedgehog) and you have a company that hasn't forgotten about the hardcore.
Smash is the pinnacle of this, and for its' apparent short comings, you forget masterpieces, you forget stage builder, and you forget how earth shattering the SSE truly is.
Quote from: mackormoses on March 06, 2008, 08:34:02 PM
Quote from: Nayrman on March 06, 2008, 08:29:24 PM
WiiWare can hardly be considered hardcore X_X;;
Yes, MP3 was great an all, but I have little to look forward to on my Wii after Brawl... (Also, Retro made it, Not Nintendo. American studio FTW)
F-Zero: If Nintendo lets Sega do it again, okay, fine. But WHEN is what I"m askin
SF: Have you played hte last few games? Blech...
*looks at PS3's list of good online games and hit titles coming out after their biggest hit*
Yea...Nintendo is THIS close to catching up to FFXIII, LittleBig planet, God of War 3, Killzone 2...
The Wii is fun as all hell...with friends...
but like I said, it completely abandons the hardcore gamer.
Need I remind you Square has proposed several games for the Wii Ware? You don't get much more hardcore than them, besides going into Capcom. As for Star Fox, I am a proud owner of EVERY star fox title. Star Fox does not appeal to newer people, and is a series that has the utmost potential of being the fastest growing series (Metroid has that rank, atm), as it was soooo ignored.
FZERO will be a hit, and MP:3 is STILL Nintendo. Couple that with some epic RPG's being released just for DS (oh look, Bioware is making a game with a little blue hedgehog) and you have a company that hasn't forgotten about the hardcore.
Smash is the pinnacle of this, and for its' apparent short comings, you forget masterpieces, you forget stage builder, and you forget how earth shattering the SSE truly is.
I hope the SSE is earth-shattering...
People who have the game say it is repetitive and feels like it was tacked on.
I don't know how that could possibly be.
Quote from: NINNIN6 on March 06, 2008, 08:32:14 PM
Quote from: Nayrman on March 06, 2008, 08:29:24 PM
WiiWare can hardly be considered hardcore X_X;;
Yes, MP3 was great an all, but I have little to look forward to on my Wii after Brawl... (Also, Retro made it, Not Nintendo. American studio FTW)
F-Zero: If Nintendo lets Sega do it again, okay, fine. But WHEN is what I"m askin
SF: Have you played hte last few games? Blech...
*looks at PS3's list of good online games and hit titles coming out after their biggest hit*
Yea...Nintendo is THIS close to catching up to FFXIII, LittleBig planet, God of War 3, Killzone 2...
The Wii is fun as all hell...with friends...
but like I said, it completely abandons the hardcore gamer.
Or has the hardcore gamer abandoned the Wii? Doesn't sound like too many are giving it credit for what games have come out. Also, ToS2, and FFCC:CB.
FFXIII >>>> FFCC:CB
No offense, but it does X_X;;
I haven't abandonded the Wii, it just doesn't give the real gaming fix I need at times. Lack of good online, not even HD compatible, and quite a few other just general deseign flaws automatically turn it off ot hardcore ppl.
Most of them could be easily solved by Nintendo is getting arrogant again...just like at the end of the N64 sorta...
and no Mack, I haven't forgot SE Wiiware.
Although I'm sure it took some coaxing from Nintendo to do it...
F-Zero will be awesome, but again, WHEN and ONLINE?
MP is like Mario Party. It's "Nintendo" but kinda not really....in a certain view I suppose.
I never said anything about the DS. I love my DS (MUCH better than PSP IMO), just talkin about Wii.
Stage Editor is AWESOME! SSE: I'll get back to you once I've played it.
Basically look back at Star's last post
Most of the games coming to WiiWare are coming from small developers trying to get their foot in the door.
So there are a lot of games with great art direction and beautiful graphics. Those kind of games get cult followings, because they aren't from a big name company.
Also, I hear that Nintendo has several Zelda, Metroid, Pokemon, and Mario games in development for WiiWare.
Quote from: Nayrman on March 06, 2008, 08:37:42 PM
Quote from: NINNIN6 on March 06, 2008, 08:32:14 PM
Quote from: Nayrman on March 06, 2008, 08:29:24 PM
WiiWare can hardly be considered hardcore X_X;;
Yes, MP3 was great an all, but I have little to look forward to on my Wii after Brawl... (Also, Retro made it, Not Nintendo. American studio FTW)
F-Zero: If Nintendo lets Sega do it again, okay, fine. But WHEN is what I"m askin
SF: Have you played hte last few games? Blech...
*looks at PS3's list of good online games and hit titles coming out after their biggest hit*
Yea...Nintendo is THIS close to catching up to FFXIII, LittleBig planet, God of War 3, Killzone 2...
The Wii is fun as all hell...with friends...
but like I said, it completely abandons the hardcore gamer.
Or has the hardcore gamer abandoned the Wii? Doesn't sound like too many are giving it credit for what games have come out. Also, ToS2, and FFCC:CB.
FFXIII >>>> FFCC:CB
No offense, but it does X_X;;
I haven't abandonded the Wii, it just doesn't give the real gaming fix I need at times. Lack of good online, not even HD compatible, and quite a few other just general deseign flaws automatically turn it off ot hardcore ppl.
Most of them could be easily solved by Nintendo is getting arrogant again...just like at the end of the N64 sorta...
and no Mack, I haven't forgot SE Wiiware.
Although I'm sure it took some coaxing from Nintendo to do it...
F-Zero will be awesome, but again, WHEN and ONLINE?
MP is like Mario Party. It's "Nintendo" but kinda not really....in a certain view I suppose.
I never said anything about the DS. I love my DS (MUCH better than PSP IMO), just talkin about Wii.
Stage Editor is AWESOME! SSE: I'll get back to you once I've played it.
Basically look back at Star's last post
"Nintendo is abandoning the hardcore" includes the DS. That all needs added into the equation.
As for Wii Ware, Ninty never thought big companies would use it....they were wrong...the big companies CAME TO THEM. That is far from the issue, truly unique and hardcore games will be found through this feature.
We don't know details of SF or FZ, but it was simply hinted at. It will likely judge on MK:Wii's sales, all of those factors, and FZ may or may not be available soon. Judging on a lack of online racing from Ninty, FZ is LIKELY to have online, but who knows?
Mario Party and Prime are 100% Nintendo....as are all Mario games and Metroid games. They just are. This also brings me to Monolith.....a 2nd Party Co......have you played any of their games? Simply amazing.
Stage Editor, although simple, was unforeseen, and one of the best additions to Brawl...face it, Ninty still cares....they just want to increase their range. You WERE a casual gamer once.
Quote from: Nayrman on March 06, 2008, 08:37:42 PM
Quote from: NINNIN6 on March 06, 2008, 08:32:14 PM
Quote from: Nayrman on March 06, 2008, 08:29:24 PM
WiiWare can hardly be considered hardcore X_X;;
Yes, MP3 was great an all, but I have little to look forward to on my Wii after Brawl... (Also, Retro made it, Not Nintendo. American studio FTW)
F-Zero: If Nintendo lets Sega do it again, okay, fine. But WHEN is what I"m askin
SF: Have you played hte last few games? Blech...
*looks at PS3's list of good online games and hit titles coming out after their biggest hit*
Yea...Nintendo is THIS close to catching up to FFXIII, LittleBig planet, God of War 3, Killzone 2...
The Wii is fun as all hell...with friends...
but like I said, it completely abandons the hardcore gamer.
Or has the hardcore gamer abandoned the Wii? Doesn't sound like too many are giving it credit for what games have come out. Also, ToS2, and FFCC:CB.
FFXIII >>>> FFCC:CB
No offense, but it does X_X;;
I haven't abandonded the Wii, it just doesn't give the real gaming fix I need at times. Lack of good online, not even HD compatible, and quite a few other just general deseign flaws automatically turn it off ot hardcore ppl.
Most of them could be easily solved by Nintendo is getting arrogant again...just like at the end of the N64 sorta...
and no Mack, I haven't forgot SE Wiiware.
Although I'm sure it took some coaxing from Nintendo to do it...
F-Zero will be awesome, but again, WHEN and ONLINE?
MP is like Mario Party. It's "Nintendo" but kinda not really....in a certain view I suppose.
I never said anything about the DS. I love my DS (MUCH better than PSP IMO), just talkin about Wii.
Stage Editor is AWESOME! SSE: I'll get back to you once I've played it.
Basically look back at Star's last post
Considering this is Nintendo's first go at mainstream online, I'd say they're doing pretty good, and it seems it will get better. You knew when you bought the Wii that it wasn't for techie whores, so that point doesn't hold up. FFXIII are two different kinds of games, made by different branches of a company. If I prefer Adventure over Traditional RPGs, then FFCC:CB would be better.
Every game falls short of its potential, but that's no reason to complain about. I truly feel only those who have something lose through the game has the right the complain. Sakurai's reputation is at stake, and he isn't satisfied with the game? That's fine. Customers who are upset because not every character on their most wanted list was not added? That's selfish.
If Nintendo REALLY cares, then why are they letting the 360 and PS3 DOMINATE in everything hardcore gamers want?
As far as Brawl complaining goes, I'm complaining because of the two characters I GOT (Ike and SOnic, two "DUR" additions), absolutlely no one I wanted go so much as an AT (save Isaac, whom still deserved the full playable), while still "trash" characters like TLink and ROB get in.
Mario Kart Wii sales? Of course it'll sell. It's following Nintendo's main strategy they took the entire gamecube years. PUT MARIO IN IT!
It's still bad when you're best two online games are Brawl (still FC's, no voice chat, no rankings, etc.) and Medal of Honor, which pales in comparison to other online offerings.
I suppose second parties are based on how you look at them. I've never considered them part of their "parent" company. Retro isn't Nintendo, they're Retro. They just happened to be OWNED by Nintendo. I doubt Nintendo themeselves (i.e., the japanese headquarters where Mario and Zelda games are, etc) could make such a good FPS.
Again, the other two systems have consistant quality coming out. What's after Brawl that we KNOW will be out soon? Nothing...maybe Mario Kart, but we'll all still be playing Brawl (and besides, Ninteindo hasn't delayed it five times yet. So it's gonna get dellayed a while)
That reminds me, I remember hearing something about Miyamoto going to Retro Studios when Metroid Prime 1 was being made, and he got really mad when he found out they were making it an FPS.
Kid Icarus should be an FPS....
"If Nintendo REALLY cares, then why are they letting the 360 and PS3 DOMINATE in everything hardcore gamers want?"
Answered your own question, those two companies are focusing more on hardcore, they are zoning in on an untapped market. Brilliant.
As for the rest of your post....you are getting way to excited, and your spelling was terrible....I am not even going to patronize it.
Quote from: mackormoses on March 06, 2008, 09:01:08 PM
"If Nintendo REALLY cares, then why are they letting the 360 and PS3 DOMINATE in everything hardcore gamers want?"
Answered your own question, those two companies are focusing more on hardcore, they are zoning in on an untapped market. Brilliant.
As for the rest of your post....you are getting way to excited, and your spelling was terrible....I am not even going to patronize it.
I counted all of two gramatical errors in my post. Both of which were just fast typing errors.
Again, your argument on my argument is proving my point. NINTENDO STOPPED CARING ABOUT HARDCORE. That's why they're willingly letting the competition dominate in that market. Because they either:
A) Don't care
B) Don't see the hardcore as a valuable market area, which is in turn abandoning them.
Trying to get new customers/untapped market is fine and all, but again, at the expense of us the REAL gamers in a sense. WiiFit is a perfect example. It's great for this "new" audience, but it's killing us gamers (not to mention the general reasoning behind the game is just plain stupid. If I wanted to excersize, I'd do just that EXCERSIZE!)
Quote from: Nayrman on March 06, 2008, 08:56:33 PM
If Nintendo REALLY cares, then why are they letting the 360 and PS3 DOMINATE in everything hardcore gamers want?
As far as Brawl complaining goes, I'm complaining because of the two characters I GOT (Ike and SOnic, two "DUR" additions), absolutlely no one I wanted go so much as an AT (save Isaac, whom still deserved the full playable), while still "trash" characters like TLink and ROB get in.
Mario Kart Wii sales? Of course it'll sell. It's following Nintendo's main strategy they took the entire gamecube years. PUT MARIO IN IT!
It's still bad when you're best two online games are Brawl (still FC's, no voice chat, no rankings, etc.) and Medal of Honor, which pales in comparison to other online offerings.
I suppose second parties are based on how you look at them. I've never considered them part of their "parent" company. Retro isn't Nintendo, they're Retro. They just happened to be OWNED by Nintendo. I doubt Nintendo themeselves (i.e., the japanese headquarters where Mario and Zelda games are, etc) could make such a good FPS.
Again, the other two systems have consistant quality coming out. What's after Brawl that we KNOW will be out soon? Nothing...maybe Mario Kart, but we'll all still be playing Brawl (and besides, Ninteindo hasn't delayed it five times yet. So it's gonna get dellayed a while)
IIRC, Nintendo isn't letting them, and it's third party support that keep both afloat.
Two characters you wanted got in? NO characters I wanted got in, and it's not like my choices were the most abstract. Besides, the general opinion is that neither of the aforementioned pair are considered trash.
Also, the first Metroid Prime, which is generally accepted as the best, was complete and utter trash before Miyamoto came to America and essentially did most of the beginning work himself and directed Retro, and he was mad the entire while. This shows that Nintendo's grandmaster is more than capable of making an FPS.
Quote from: Nayrman on March 06, 2008, 09:06:17 PM
Quote from: mackormoses on March 06, 2008, 09:01:08 PM
"If Nintendo REALLY cares, then why are they letting the 360 and PS3 DOMINATE in everything hardcore gamers want?"
Answered your own question, those two companies are focusing more on hardcore, they are zoning in on an untapped market. Brilliant.
As for the rest of your post....you are getting way to excited, and your spelling was terrible....I am not even going to patronize it.
I counted all of two gramatical errors in my post. Both of which were just fast typing errors.
Again, your argument on my argument is proving my point. NINTENDO STOPPED CARING ABOUT HARDCORE. That's why they're willingly letting the competition dominate in that market. Because they either:
A) Don't care
B) Don't see the hardcore as a valuable market area, which is in turn abandoning them.
Trying to get new customers/untapped market is fine and all, but again, at the expense of us the REAL gamers in a sense. WiiFit is a perfect example. It's great for this "new" audience, but it's killing us gamers (not to mention the general reasoning behind the game is just plain stupid. If I wanted to excersize, I'd do just that EXCERSIZE!)
You really don't get it, do you? So, I am going to spell it out in CAPS for everyone.
NINTENDO IS SIMPLY ADDING A LARGER USERBASE, AND HOPING THEY WILL ONE DAY BECOME HARDCORE. SIMPLE. AS. HELL. YOU HAVE NO EVIDENCE TO THEM FORGETTING THE HARDCORE, MP:3, BRAWL, WII WARE, VC, ETC. ALL SCREAM OUT SAYING OTHERWISE. THIS IS A STUPID ISSUE, AND IS SIMPLY RESULTING IN FLAMING. YOU ARE GETTING SO WORKED UP YOU CAN'T SPELL EXERCISE CORRECTLY, WHICH MEANS IT IS TIME TO TAKE A TEN MINUTE BREAK.
It is quit simple, just because you say something, does not mean it is true, same by me, BUT SAYING NINTY DOES NOT CARE, and OMITTING the DS is a Huuuuuuuge understatement. Learn business my friend, it might actually help you comprehend this. NINTENDO = Company
Companies = $$$
$$$ = More and better games
More and better games = Hardcore
Hardcore = Us AND the newly found previously casual gamers.
Quote from: mackormoses on March 06, 2008, 09:11:44 PM
Quote from: Nayrman on March 06, 2008, 09:06:17 PM
Quote from: mackormoses on March 06, 2008, 09:01:08 PM
"If Nintendo REALLY cares, then why are they letting the 360 and PS3 DOMINATE in everything hardcore gamers want?"
Answered your own question, those two companies are focusing more on hardcore, they are zoning in on an untapped market. Brilliant.
As for the rest of your post....you are getting way to excited, and your spelling was terrible....I am not even going to patronize it.
I counted all of two gramatical errors in my post. Both of which were just fast typing errors.
Again, your argument on my argument is proving my point. NINTENDO STOPPED CARING ABOUT HARDCORE. That's why they're willingly letting the competition dominate in that market. Because they either:
A) Don't care
B) Don't see the hardcore as a valuable market area, which is in turn abandoning them.
Trying to get new customers/untapped market is fine and all, but again, at the expense of us the REAL gamers in a sense. WiiFit is a perfect example. It's great for this "new" audience, but it's killing us gamers (not to mention the general reasoning behind the game is just plain stupid. If I wanted to excersize, I'd do just that EXCERSIZE!)
You really don't get it, do you? So, I am going to spell it out in CAPS for everyone.
NINTENDO IS SIMPLY ADDING A LARGER USERBASE, AND HOPING THEY WILL ONE DAY BECOME HARDCORE. SIMPLE. AS. HELL. YOU HAVE NO EVIDENCE TO THEM FORGETTING THE HARDCORE, MP:3, BRAWL, WII WARE, VC, ETC. ALL SCREAM OUT SAYING OTHERWISE. THIS IS A STUPID ISSUE, AND IS SIMPLY RESULTING IN FLAMING. YOU ARE GETTING SO WORKED UP YOU CAN'T SPELL EXERCISE CORRECTLY, WHICH MEANS IT IS TIME TO TAKE A TEN MINUTE BREAK.
It is quit simple, just because you say something, does not mean it is true, same by me, BUT SAYING NINTY DOES NOT CARE, and OMITTING the DS is a Huuuuuuuge understatement. Learn business my friend, it might actually help you comprehend this. NINTENDO = Company
Companies = $$$
$$$ = More and better games
More and better games = Hardcore
Hardcore = Us AND the newly found previously casual gamers.
1. I am not flaming
2. Let us compare Nintendo's "hardcore" list of games compared to the other two systems. Frankly, it doesn't even come close in any terms. Hell, the ONLY reason Nintendo is even doing online is so they can say they're trying (when obvoiusly, they're not). Same goes for WiiWare. The PS3/360 get great titles like "Everyday Shooter" on it, while Nintendo has no origional IP's for download. Again, just to say "We ARE trying...just not very hard".
Also, look at the big companies that HAVE all the money. Nintendo and EA. Nintendo's system outside of Nintendo is getting shovelware dog fodder for most of it's games, and EA hasn't had anything decent in years. Usually the company with the most money usually makes the most crap...
*look at the start of the gamecube era cough cough*
Alright then: take every third party game for each system, and throw it out the window. What do you have left? Wait, you have no PS3 games left? O SHI- You have 3 360 games? Haha. Meanwhile, I enjoy my nice collection of SMG, MP3, LoZ: TP, PBR, SPM, and Brawl on Sunday.
Third parties release most of the games for all of the systems, and they, if anyone, have chosen to abandon the hardcore gamer. If you look at the games that Nintendo actually released, you would see that the amount of casual games and hardcore games is fairly balanced.
Quote from: NINNIN6 on March 07, 2008, 05:51:35 AM
Alright then: take every third party game for each system, and throw it out the window. What do you have left? Wait, you have no PS3 games left? O SHI- You have 3 360 games? Haha. Meanwhile, I enjoy my nice collection of SMG, MP3, LoZ: TP, PBR, SPM, and Brawl on Sunday.
Third parties release most of the games for all of the systems, and they, if anyone, have chosen to abandon the hardcore gamer. If you look at the games that Nintendo actually released, you would see that the amount of casual games and hardcore games is fairly balanced.
WiiPlay, WiiFit, anything with "Wii" in the title, Galaxy is BOTH hardcore and casual, Animal Crossing (it's casual, get over it)
Zelda was origional a Cube title, so that leaves MP3 and Brawl...
Both of which were basically, again, to say "we're trying, but not that hard".
Also, Sony and Microsoft don't need to make games like Nintendo NEEDS to, in order to keep the system alive.
As long as it is fun and not shovelware, I will play it.
Quote from: Nayrman on March 07, 2008, 05:55:11 AM
Quote from: NINNIN6 on March 07, 2008, 05:51:35 AM
Alright then: take every third party game for each system, and throw it out the window. What do you have left? Wait, you have no PS3 games left? O SHI- You have 3 360 games? Haha. Meanwhile, I enjoy my nice collection of SMG, MP3, LoZ: TP, PBR, SPM, and Brawl on Sunday.
Third parties release most of the games for all of the systems, and they, if anyone, have chosen to abandon the hardcore gamer. If you look at the games that Nintendo actually released, you would see that the amount of casual games and hardcore games is fairly balanced.
WiiPlay, WiiFit, anything with "Wii" in the title, Galaxy is BOTH hardcore and casual, Animal Crossing (it's casual, get over it)
Zelda was origional a Cube title, so that leaves MP3 and Brawl...
Both of which were basically, again, to say "we're trying, but not that hard".
Also, Sony and Microsoft don't need to make games like Nintendo NEEDS to, in order to keep the system alive.
I never mentioned any Wii generation titles or Animal Crossing, as I felt they would be covered when I said "the amount of casual games and hardcore games is fairly balanced". I clearly did not say casual games did not exist.
If Galaxy is both hardcore and casual, why do you feel to group it with the casuals? You're just showing yourself to be biased.
Zelda was an original cube title, Halo 3 was an original XBOX title. I fail to see your point. Both were delayed and modified for current generation systems.
If you feel that Nintendo was not trying that hard, Sakurai in particular with Brawl, then you don't deserve to play the games.IIRC, 800 people worked on Brawl, about 100 of them for 3 years. The game went through 5 years of planning. It was delayed twice to add more features to the game, Nintendo releases daily updates, and the developer still isn't satisfied. Yet, it's one of the Famitsu 7. If you feel the game is a failure because the roster wasn't as large as you would have liked it or characters you wish were in the game did not make it in, simply do not play it. That way you won't have anything to complain about.
My dear, Sony and Microsoft CAN'T make games to keep their systems alive. All of their attempts have been crap. Unless you feel the Eye-Toy is the marvel of the gaming world, upon which I would have to question your legitimacy as hardcore gamer.
Shouldn't you make one for Maech 7th?
Quote from: Ridley on March 07, 2008, 06:49:40 AM
Shouldn't you make one for Maech 7th?
There is one.
http://nsf.projectfcd.com/index.php?topic=21199.0
Quote from: NINNIN6 on March 07, 2008, 06:47:23 AM
Quote from: Nayrman on March 07, 2008, 05:55:11 AM
Quote from: NINNIN6 on March 07, 2008, 05:51:35 AM
Alright then: take every third party game for each system, and throw it out the window. What do you have left? Wait, you have no PS3 games left? O SHI- You have 3 360 games? Haha. Meanwhile, I enjoy my nice collection of SMG, MP3, LoZ: TP, PBR, SPM, and Brawl on Sunday.
Third parties release most of the games for all of the systems, and they, if anyone, have chosen to abandon the hardcore gamer. If you look at the games that Nintendo actually released, you would see that the amount of casual games and hardcore games is fairly balanced.
WiiPlay, WiiFit, anything with "Wii" in the title, Galaxy is BOTH hardcore and casual, Animal Crossing (it's casual, get over it)
Zelda was origional a Cube title, so that leaves MP3 and Brawl...
Both of which were basically, again, to say "we're trying, but not that hard".
Also, Sony and Microsoft don't need to make games like Nintendo NEEDS to, in order to keep the system alive.
I never mentioned any Wii generation titles or Animal Crossing, as I felt they would be covered when I said "the amount of casual games and hardcore games is fairly balanced". I clearly did not say casual games did not exist.
If Galaxy is both hardcore and casual, why do you feel to group it with the casuals? You're just showing yourself to be biased.
Zelda was an original cube title, Halo 3 was an original XBOX title. I fail to see your point. Both were delayed and modified for current generation systems.
If you feel that Nintendo was not trying that hard, Sakurai in particular with Brawl, then you don't deserve to play the games.IIRC, 800 people worked on Brawl, about 100 of them for 3 years. The game went through 5 years of planning. It was delayed twice to add more features to the game, Nintendo releases daily updates, and the developer still isn't satisfied. Yet, it's one of the Famitsu 7. If you feel the game is a failure because the roster wasn't as large as you would have liked it or characters you wish were in the game did not make it in, simply do not play it. That way you won't have anything to complain about.
My dear, Sony and Microsoft CAN'T make games to keep their systems alive. All of their attempts have been crap. Unless you feel the Eye-Toy is the marvel of the gaming world, upon which I would have to question your legitimacy as hardcore gamer.
Galaxy can be considered both, so it falls in neither, obviously.
I never said Brawl wasn't hardcore, I just feel that a ton of potential was lost with such things as the roster and quite a few other things. Since when does the Famitsu 7 mean anything anymore IMO? I mean, they gave NINTENDOGS a perfect score...and thats a pet sim X_X;;
Also, Sony makes quite a few good games. Origional Crash Bandicoot, Jak and Daxter, Rachet and Clank, God of War, all are Sony owned IP's. So Sony makes games, just not on the scale Nintendo.
It seems Sakurai wasn't going to be completely satisfied regardless. And don't even get me started on the delay issues Nintendo has always had. (how hard is it to keep to a schedule?)