The game was made with items, so you should use items every now and then.
"There's no skill when items are used" - You do need some skill in order to catch items and dodge and aim to help kill, you do need some skill to win with items.
Smash Ball =/= Skill.
Items are fun, but the game was also made with the option to turn items off.
I prefer items off, but with friends I play with them on.
Its preference, and when you are the only one to go against the grain, so be it. :D
Something about "the luck factor"
Thing is, the only LUCK is where they appear, with some exceptions. Other than that, yeah, it's all skill.
Quote from: Hector_the_Axe on April 05, 2008, 07:29:17 PM
Smash Ball =/= Skill.
Items are fun, but the game was also made with the option to turn items off.
I prefer items off, but with friends I play with them on.
Its preference, and when you are the only one to go against the grain, so be it. :D
True, but it does take some skill in order to hit them sometimes (especially with Donkey K) but usually when I just turn smash balls on, they didn't appear as fast >.> they appeared 2 times faster than normal.
I play with all items. It actually takes more skill, since if your opponent gets a Bob-omb, Golden Hammer, or Smash Ball, you need to be very good in order to knock it out of them or dodge them.
Quote from: JrDude on April 05, 2008, 07:32:22 PM
Quote from: Hector_the_Axe on April 05, 2008, 07:29:17 PM
Smash Ball =/= Skill.
Items are fun, but the game was also made with the option to turn items off.
I prefer items off, but with friends I play with them on.
Its preference, and when you are the only one to go against the grain, so be it. :D
True, but it does take some skill in order to hit them sometimes (especially with Donkey K)
It also takes some strategy (like the right area to use Luigi's FS so the opponent is cornered) and skill to manuver (like Diddy's, for example). Like Smash Bro 25 said, it takes luck to get some items, but skill to use them right to defend. Anyone can get a bumper or a smart bomb, but you need strategy to know the best places to throw them.
Quote from: Lotos on April 05, 2008, 07:47:06 PM
Quote from: JrDude on April 05, 2008, 07:32:22 PM
Quote from: Hector_the_Axe on April 05, 2008, 07:29:17 PM
Smash Ball =/= Skill.
Items are fun, but the game was also made with the option to turn items off.
I prefer items off, but with friends I play with them on.
Its preference, and when you are the only one to go against the grain, so be it. :D
True, but it does take some skill in order to hit them sometimes (especially with Donkey K)
It also takes some strategy (like the right area to use Luigi's FS so the opponent is cornered) and skill to manuver (like Diddy's, for example). Like Smash Bro 25 said, it takes luck to get some items, but skill to use them right to defend. Anyone can get a bumper or a smart bomb, but you need strategy to know the best places to throw them.
Strategy that some of use don;t really like in our games.
It all comes down to opinion really.
Play with or without items, who cares?
But if someone doesn't want to join your room because of it, tough luck. ;)
Items are fun, I didn't imply otherwise, but some people prefer other styles.
Quote from: Hector_the_Axe on April 05, 2008, 07:55:27 PM
Quote from: Lotos on April 05, 2008, 07:47:06 PM
Quote from: JrDude on April 05, 2008, 07:32:22 PM
Quote from: Hector_the_Axe on April 05, 2008, 07:29:17 PM
Smash Ball =/= Skill.
Items are fun, but the game was also made with the option to turn items off.
I prefer items off, but with friends I play with them on.
Its preference, and when you are the only one to go against the grain, so be it. :D
True, but it does take some skill in order to hit them sometimes (especially with Donkey K)
It also takes some strategy (like the right area to use Luigi's FS so the opponent is cornered) and skill to manuver (like Diddy's, for example). Like Smash Bro 25 said, it takes luck to get some items, but skill to use them right to defend. Anyone can get a bumper or a smart bomb, but you need strategy to know the best places to throw them.
Strategy that some of use don;t really like in our games.
It all comes down to opinion really.
Play with or without items, who cares?
But if someone doesn't want to join your room because of it, tough luck. ;)
Items are fun, I didn't imply otherwise, but some people prefer other styles.
I get kicked off each time I play anyway.
Oh, and to the Subject question: People hate items because some people just like to see how good they are with pure brawn, no outside sources of help (like that Final Destination video :P).
I love playing both ways.
I usually play with items in regular brawls, but I usually play with no items on Wi-Fi (I feel more accomplished when I beat someone)
Well, for me personally, I prefer No Items.
To me they just get in the way.
Either way however, I don't really care... it just kind of bothers me when people say,
"oh you won because (insert item here) helped you" etc etc...
Sometimes, when I pick up an item like a pokeball, I throw it off stage cause I don't want any help.
If I want to KO somebody I want to do it by my own effort..with out any items to help.
Thats how I feel.
Knowing that I KO'd you by my own skill and my skill alone means more of a Victory KO then me grabbing
all 3 pieces of Dragoon or a hammer etc to help me win.
Items are there to help people Win (and even lose).
*shakes head*
I don't like it.
But thats just me.
If items are on, I will be a greedy son of a *bleep* and use every item to my advantage if need be.
Ehh, I like certain items, but I only ever throw them.
there are some items that are just cheap, and that I've always hated. I was classically a Yoshi main, so projectile weapons meant that I had to sit there and take it (no shield jumping). Another reason why I dumped Yoshi.
the cracker launcher is incredibly cheap, as is the ray gun and the super scope. I don't play characters that have reflectors (just can't get used to using them) so I have no way to counter.
Also, exploding capsules. No, you can't turn them off this time around, and I don't know why. Items appear randomly and they screw you over. simple as that. Either that, or they give you an unfair advantage with which you win, and you only win because of that.
Also, dragoon pieces (though dedede can spawn them himself).
It takes no skill to grab a hammer. yes, there's the risk/reward factor, yes, there's the "whoever gets there first" factor, but at the same time, if you get there first, you get at least one KO, which is incredibly cheap.
I like my smash to be more skill-based than luck-based, and so does my brother, which is why we play with items off.
There is a certain level of skill involved, yes, but you are ignoring facts.
What happens when the Smash Ball spawns just as you were blasted upwards, not yet KO'd, but on your way? What happens when you are in the middle of a salvo of tilts, and a bob omb spawns in front of you? What happens when you throw the Pokeball, Goldeen comes out, but your opponent gets the next one (which spawned right next to them) and out comes Lugia?
Items are random, they can make the game even more hectic, which CAN BE more fun, but I feel they are also unfair. I will play with em on from time to time, but nothing more than for a sense of randomness.
I don't hate items, they're hysterical. They make Super Smash Bros. what it was meant to be. A party game.
Also, with my friends, it's common courtesy to throw off things like Hotheads or home-run bats. And if we do play with items on, we turn healing items off :P
Because half the items are either worthless (beamsword, sparky)
And half of them are too overpowered (starrod, Pokeballs, AT's)
I'm fine with smash balls since it isn't a "who gets there first" thing, and it reqires some skill to actually use (some more than others, *coughSuperSoniccheapashellcough*)
Quote from: Nayrman on April 06, 2008, 08:47:34 AM
Because half the items are either worthless (beamsword, sparky)
And half of them are too overpowered (starrod, Pokeballs, AT's)
I'm fine with smash balls since it isn't a "who gets there first" thing, and it reqires some skill to actually use (some more than others, *coughSuperSoniccheapashellcough*)
Super Sonic isn't cheap. I already found a way to dodge it, and it's easy as heck!
LOL, if anything, Kirby's is cheap. It's pretty hard to dodge, especially MY kirby. >:D
Quote from: Shujinco on April 06, 2008, 09:07:12 AM
Quote from: Nayrman on April 06, 2008, 08:47:34 AM
Because half the items are either worthless (beamsword, sparky)
And half of them are too overpowered (starrod, Pokeballs, AT's)
I'm fine with smash balls since it isn't a "who gets there first" thing, and it reqires some skill to actually use (some more than others, *coughSuperSoniccheapashellcough*)
Super Sonic isn't cheap. I already found a way to dodge it, and it's easy as heck!
LOL, if anything, Kirby's is cheap. It's pretty hard to dodge, especially MY kirby. >:D
All you have to do is be out of range to avoid Kirby's...it's not taht hard if on a big enough stage...
Quote from: Nayrman on April 06, 2008, 09:09:31 AM
Quote from: Shujinco on April 06, 2008, 09:07:12 AM
Quote from: Nayrman on April 06, 2008, 08:47:34 AM
Because half the items are either worthless (beamsword, sparky)
And half of them are too overpowered (starrod, Pokeballs, AT's)
I'm fine with smash balls since it isn't a "who gets there first" thing, and it reqires some skill to actually use (some more than others, *coughSuperSoniccheapashellcough*)
Super Sonic isn't cheap. I already found a way to dodge it, and it's easy as heck!
LOL, if anything, Kirby's is cheap. It's pretty hard to dodge, especially MY kirby. >:D
All you have to do is be out of range to avoid Kirby's...it's not taht hard if on a big enough stage...
Yeah, but simply roll dodging is pretty easy to dodge a full speed Super Sonic charge. >:D
Personally, I don't like to die because of what randomly falls out of the sky.
you can easily air dodge kirby's FS.
Quote from: Nayrman on April 06, 2008, 08:47:34 AM
Because half the items are either worthless (beamsword, sparky)
And half of them are too overpowered (starrod, Pokeballs, AT's)
I'm fine with smash balls since it isn't a "who gets there first" thing, and it reqires some skill to actually use (some more than others, *coughSuperSoniccheapashellcough*)
Beamsword, worthless?
LOL
Throw it, it does more damage than the bat, I believe.
Quote from: Shujinco on April 06, 2008, 09:07:12 AM
Quote from: Nayrman on April 06, 2008, 08:47:34 AM
Because half the items are either worthless (beamsword, sparky)
And half of them are too overpowered (starrod, Pokeballs, AT's)
I'm fine with smash balls since it isn't a "who gets there first" thing, and it reqires some skill to actually use (some more than others, *coughSuperSoniccheapashellcough*)
Super Sonic isn't cheap. I already found a way to dodge it, and it's easy as heck!
LOL, if anything, Kirby's is cheap. It's pretty hard to dodge, especially MY kirby. >:D
Umm, dodge Roll? -_-'
Quote from: Olimar on April 06, 2008, 03:00:51 PM
Quote from: Nayrman on April 06, 2008, 08:47:34 AM
Because half the items are either worthless (beamsword, sparky)
And half of them are too overpowered (starrod, Pokeballs, AT's)
I'm fine with smash balls since it isn't a "who gets there first" thing, and it reqires some skill to actually use (some more than others, *coughSuperSoniccheapashellcough*)
Beamsword, worthless?
LOL
Throw it, it does more damage than the bat, I believe.
Quote from: Shujinco on April 06, 2008, 09:07:12 AM
Quote from: Nayrman on April 06, 2008, 08:47:34 AM
Because half the items are either worthless (beamsword, sparky)
And half of them are too overpowered (starrod, Pokeballs, AT's)
I'm fine with smash balls since it isn't a "who gets there first" thing, and it reqires some skill to actually use (some more than others, *coughSuperSoniccheapashellcough*)
Super Sonic isn't cheap. I already found a way to dodge it, and it's easy as heck!
LOL, if anything, Kirby's is cheap. It's pretty hard to dodge, especially MY kirby. >:D
Umm, dodge Roll? -_-'
You can't Roll Dodge Kirby's.
I like items. My brother makes me turn off the Smash Ball every time I play him though. :P
Quote from: WiinolikePS3 on April 07, 2008, 01:02:50 PM
Quote from: Olimar on April 06, 2008, 03:00:51 PM
Quote from: Nayrman on April 06, 2008, 08:47:34 AM
Because half the items are either worthless (beamsword, sparky)
And half of them are too overpowered (starrod, Pokeballs, AT's)
I'm fine with smash balls since it isn't a "who gets there first" thing, and it reqires some skill to actually use (some more than others, *coughSuperSoniccheapashellcough*)
Beamsword, worthless?
LOL
Throw it, it does more damage than the bat, I believe.
Quote from: Shujinco on April 06, 2008, 09:07:12 AM
Quote from: Nayrman on April 06, 2008, 08:47:34 AM
Because half the items are either worthless (beamsword, sparky)
And half of them are too overpowered (starrod, Pokeballs, AT's)
I'm fine with smash balls since it isn't a "who gets there first" thing, and it reqires some skill to actually use (some more than others, *coughSuperSoniccheapashellcough*)
Super Sonic isn't cheap. I already found a way to dodge it, and it's easy as heck!
LOL, if anything, Kirby's is cheap. It's pretty hard to dodge, especially MY kirby. >:D
Umm, dodge Roll? -_-'
You can't Roll Dodge Kirby's.
I've done it multiple times. It's extremely easy. The only way possible to NOT be able to dodge it is if you're right next to Kirby. It's so amazingly easy to use.
Quote from: Shujinco on April 06, 2008, 09:07:12 AM
Quote from: Nayrman on April 06, 2008, 08:47:34 AM
Because half the items are either worthless (beamsword, sparky)
And half of them are too overpowered (starrod, Pokeballs, AT's)
I'm fine with smash balls since it isn't a "who gets there first" thing, and it reqires some skill to actually use (some more than others, *coughSuperSoniccheapashellcough*)
Super Sonic isn't cheap. I already found a way to dodge it, and it's easy as heck!
LOL, if anything, Kirby's is cheap. It's pretty hard to dodge, especially MY kirby. >:D
don't bother fighting Kirby for the smash ball because he'll use it the second it goes into him. I don't know how but I was Meta Knight on my custom stage and I fought a level 9 Kirby. Kirby used Cook Kirby and I was right next to him about 8 ft away, I was the only one of the three that didn't get caught. It could of been a miracle or the cook kirby has limitations to what areas it can pull the enemies from.
Quote from: Hector_the_Axe on April 05, 2008, 07:55:27 PM
Quote from: Lotos on April 05, 2008, 07:47:06 PM
Quote from: JrDude on April 05, 2008, 07:32:22 PM
Quote from: Hector_the_Axe on April 05, 2008, 07:29:17 PM
Smash Ball =/= Skill.
Items are fun, but the game was also made with the option to turn items off.
I prefer items off, but with friends I play with them on.
Its preference, and when you are the only one to go against the grain, so be it. :D
True, but it does take some skill in order to hit them sometimes (especially with Donkey K)
It also takes some strategy (like the right area to use Luigi's FS so the opponent is cornered) and skill to manuver (like Diddy's, for example). Like Smash Bro 25 said, it takes luck to get some items, but skill to use them right to defend. Anyone can get a bumper or a smart bomb, but you need strategy to know the best places to throw them.
Strategy that some of use don;t really like in our games.
It all comes down to opinion really.
Play with or without items, who cares?
But if someone doesn't want to join your room because of it, tough luck. ;)
Items are fun, I didn't imply otherwise, but some people prefer other styles.
I forgot to mention, it seems you are insinuating that there are more players who play without items than players who play with items. You're forgetting about all the other players who aren't competitive and just play for a good time (however, that wasn't said correctly, as this could go vice-versa).
I wouldn't technically say people hate items. It's just better to have them off. (http://i261.photobucket.com/albums/ii51/grievous958/fire%20emblem/Lyn.gif)
Quote from: SSBBRAWLIN on April 09, 2008, 05:30:33 PM
I wouldn't technically say people hate items. It's just better to have them off. (http://i261.photobucket.com/albums/ii51/grievous958/fire%20emblem/Lyn.gif)
Can I request that you stop putting that animation in every post you make? ::)
Quote from: JrDude on April 09, 2008, 06:03:38 PM
Quote from: SSBBRAWLIN on April 09, 2008, 05:30:33 PM
I wouldn't technically say people hate items. It's just better to have them off. (http://i261.photobucket.com/albums/ii51/grievous958/fire%20emblem/Lyn.gif)
Can I request that you stop putting that animation in every post you make? ::)
Why? I always put Lyn at the end of my posts. (http://i261.photobucket.com/albums/ii51/grievous958/fire%20emblem/Lyn.gif)
Quote from: SSBBRAWLIN on April 09, 2008, 06:05:35 PM
Quote from: JrDude on April 09, 2008, 06:03:38 PM
Quote from: SSBBRAWLIN on April 09, 2008, 05:30:33 PM
I wouldn't technically say people hate items. It's just better to have them off. (http://i261.photobucket.com/albums/ii51/grievous958/fire%20emblem/Lyn.gif)
Can I request that you stop putting that animation in every post you make? ::)
Why? I always put Lyn at the end of my posts. She's my fav.(http://i261.photobucket.com/albums/ii51/grievous958/fire%20emblem/Lyn.gif)
That's why I requested it and not demanded it
and just 'cause she's your "fav," doesn't mean it should be in every post you make.
Quote from: JrDude on April 09, 2008, 06:07:24 PM
Quote from: SSBBRAWLIN on April 09, 2008, 06:05:35 PM
Quote from: JrDude on April 09, 2008, 06:03:38 PM
Quote from: SSBBRAWLIN on April 09, 2008, 05:30:33 PM
I wouldn't technically say people hate items. It's just better to have them off. (http://i261.photobucket.com/albums/ii51/grievous958/fire%20emblem/Lyn.gif)
Can I request that you stop putting that animation in every post you make? ::)
Why? I always put Lyn at the end of my posts. She's my fav.(http://i261.photobucket.com/albums/ii51/grievous958/fire%20emblem/Lyn.gif)
That's why I requested it and not demanded it
and just 'cause she's your "fav," doesn't mean it should be in every post you make.
Your right. It doesn't mean I
should put it in every post. I
want to put her in(http://i261.photobucket.com/albums/ii51/grievous958/fire%20emblem/Lyn.gif)
Player 1(at 50%): YES! I'm gonna win!
Player 2:(at 150%):Oh noez wut r do i do
*Bomb Omb appears in front of player 2*
Player 2 throws it and P1 goes flying. That's not skill.
Items are fun for item matches, but they should be turned off for skill matches.
Also... put the Lyn in your sig if you really like it.
Quote from: Joeofmars on April 09, 2008, 06:12:45 PM
Player 1(at 50%): YES! I'm gonna win!
Player 2:(at 150%):Oh noez wut r do i do
*Bomb Omb appears in front of player 2*
Player 2 throws it and P1 goes flying. That's not skill.
Items are fun for item matches, but they should be turned off for skill matches.
Also... put the Lyn in your sig if you really like it.
I guess I could put it in my sig (http://i261.photobucket.com/albums/ii51/grievous958/fire%20emblem/Lyn.gif)