We're stagnating. It's happening. This is reality. We've complained about it for months. Stop ignoring it. The more you ignore it, the worse it gets. And Mack and Rob stop discussing it in the chat thread or whining at each other.
This has been happening from every month here asides from March. We've only lost members for the most part (Most notably, Hostile, Custom, and the likes) and in the end, we've gained little. Now, I hate using statistics, I really do, but statistics show (And common knowledge) that we're not gaining anything.
Fact be told, as shown with March Madness, even with losing some key players (And some not-so-key) of this forum, we still have the initiative to stay alive overall. You want to know something however?
We have no intercourse ing idea at what we want our future to be. Every other month I've been here or lurked here, people complain about activity. We really have no point on this.
So, this is it. This is one god darn thread towards that future. I don't care what you guys decide on. You guys could become a site dedicated to something I don't even want to think about and I don't care. Don't base your position on me.
What I do care however is this thread finds a future. Even if our future is just "Go as we are" We need to stick with that, or all we're going to get is occasional whining.
I'll leave this thread with three major options to boot.
1) We stay as the hangout forum we are - This leads to a downward spiral or some eventual gain in members but still a downward spiral.
2) Before replying to this point, read this post (http://nsfcd.com/index.php?topic=575.msg563806#msg563806) - We close the doors off NSFCD. We've got six months of server billing left.
3) BEFORE REPLYING TO THIS POINT, READ THIS POST (http://nsfcd.com/index.php?topic=30845.msg457488#msg457488) - The site has the initiative to still live. Basically, NSFCD finds a point and promotes it. However, this goes in an easier said than down. We'd need to all truly have it.
Ideas however are well accepted. As I said: I don't care. I'll help out if I can, but before getting in-depth I want to see where you all take this thread off on.
Something that is semi-related to the thread:
[spoiler]I'm just gonna be frank. NSFCD jumped the shark for me over a year ago. Since then it's been downhill. Shit keeps happening, we boast about how we get through it, and then something else. NSFCD has become very mundane, it feels like a chore to post most of the time, and while at some points it looks like we're heading back up, it gets even worse. Honestly, I feel that NSFCD is beyond the point of no return. I'm gonna stay for the ride, however long it may be, but I don't foresee any major changes. The staff tried adding new things, and while fun, it's sort of like putting a band aid on a broken neck. March Madness was nice, but afterward things got back to normal because there wasn't any incentive to post. And I don't mean special ranks, or anything of the like. The content just isn't there anymore. [/spoiler]
Something related to this thread:
I can't really think of what NSFCD could "become." Changing something like this isn't something that can happen overnight. It takes time, which is somethign NSFCD doesn't have a lot of. But out of those three choices, #1 seems the most likely, #2 seems fair in some respects, but not in others. It would be fair, because silver wouldn't have to pay for this anymore, but it would also make all the work of other staff members, some users, and Silver himself be for naught. and #3 seems by far the best, but more of a fantasy.
I'm all for #3, but like you said, it's easier said than done. However, if we do decide on #3, or something similar, I'll be more than happy to help.
I've said it before, I'll say it again.
We're still Nsider at heart, just a smaller version of it with more personality.
General Board stuff:
Keep the Nintendo Boards. We're a Nintendo forum at heart, and that's made clear by Pokemon/Mario/Smash Bros. discussion.
Merge things that aren't active - Make Legacy Gaming/Microsoft/Sony/Third Party one board, or work with that general idea.
Merge all of the arts into one like KJ said, and allow Youtube stuff in Power On, because again anything on Youtube hardly counts as an "Art".
Staff:
Don't be so picky about what is an "Art". Don't be so strict on certain rules (OH NO THIS POST WENT IN THE WRONG PLACE shouldn't be something to go apepoop over), because that makes people bitter and not want to post anymore, and if you start something, finish it or we'll lose interest.
Users:
Participate more. I can speak for myself, I've been trying like hell to get people active with my games and challenges. A certain group of users is also working like hell, but I can't get into that.
Actually, we have one month.
I'm not proposing we shut down NSFCD, and if that's what it comes off as, I apologize. However, I am encouraging Silver to do so the minute he is fully aboard and realizes this is a chat; we aren't quite there yet, we may be close, but we're not.
mack says:
my latest post
Silverhawk79 says:
I agree with you actually
I'm again not proudly proclaiming to be king poop, but when two of the long time faces of NSFCD (completely remove your images of our staff presence) make statements like that, you have to come to an understanding that there is a serious flaw. FH and I talked at large about this on more than a few occasions, and I'll say that I'm near the end of my rope with what NSFCD needs. I still stand by what FH said in the post you linked: we need a focal, we need non-apathetic users as a whole, and we need a community that isn't always at war (in this case, I'd say an infusion of new users is necessary to allow for the cabin fever to dissipate).
March Madness was brilliant in its design - we showed just what we could accomplish. And here we are, mere months later, contemplating closure. We need a showing by the users to prove that NSFCD isn't just a chat that can be hosted off of Rizon or Chatspike. We need a summer of memories (building friendships, of meaningful change, and fun), and we need to progress at a manageable rate.
What we don't need is a forum at odds with itself and the world around it. I'm good with playing the Devil's Advocate, it's necessary, but at the end of the day, there's a way of doing things that doesn't come off as arrogant. I've seen every change NSFCD has made, hell, I've been integral in several, and I don't like it. By all rights, we're all closer then we've ever been, but we're also further apart. That's not me being an idiot, it's very true. We know each other so well that we can say things that hurt, that sting, and don't hesitate to do so. And yet, it's rare we do anything at all, because we, as a whole, are slothen. There is no hope for the man that doesn't seek employment: a man living on subsidies has no soul and no true life until he is back as a member of society, driving the nation to be closer to his vision. Until then, he's merely a burden.
Before we go on with this, can we get the staff to come in here and say that they will at least try these ideas out? We have had plenty of these idea threads, but nothing is usually incorporated from them. So Silver, Mack, Super (lolwut?) can you guys please promise that?
Quote from: Magnum on May 31, 2010, 01:08:31 AM
Before we go on with this, can we get the staff to come in here and say that they will at least try these ideas out? We have had plenty of these idea threads, but nothing is usually incorporated from them. So Silver, Mack, Super (lolwut?) can you guys please promise that?
That's true, we do need to know that these options are possible before actually laboring away on ideas.
We are doomed. I've said something like this before, and I'll say something like it again, this forum is on hanging on by a hair, though that hair is pretty strong to have held out this long, we're still hanging on by that hair, and it wants to break, we're just not letting it, we're afraid of the abyss below us.
No matter what ideas are thrown out, no matter how effective the ideas are, we still end up in the same spot of "not enough activity, IDEAS PLOX"
The only idea that I can think of to keep this place alive for as long as we want it is the oldest plan that was denied and won't happen, merge with NS2.
Though technically like FH said, this place will never actually die until the forum itself (and chat) vanishes, but it will be able to be called legally dead. Death for this place won't happen very soon though, because we keep trying, in a way it's like Peter from Family Guy. "Clear *shock* Clear *shock* You saved my life, I can't th- Clear *shock* *dead again*"
We keep trying to revive the corpse, and we often succeed, but then with that it creates over doing it, then having nothing interesting to talk about, and it dies again.
Quote from: الذئب لص on May 31, 2010, 01:29:33 AM
That's true, we do need to know that these options are possible before actually laboring away on ideas.
We'll try any idea that sounds feasible.
It just seems as if there's no reason to post anymore. I mean really, what do we get out of posting? Nothing, really. Nothing that can't be done in IRC.
What we need is a reason to post.
I usually try to stay out of stuff like this since my return to NSFCD is so recent, but what the hell.
Activity goes in spurts. This is true.
Events boost activity. This is true.
But it seems like here that the activity is in forced bursts, like some sort of user flogging for activity, by both users and staff. Everyone wigs out a little, people get more active, people relax a little. Then, of course, people get a little burned out because of the epic drama. Some leave, some take a break, some stay as active, and some just slow down.
I think if we stopped getting so riled up over activity and turning on eachother every couple of weeks, we might begin some true, organic growth. Fifty percent of the time, what is a new user going to come in here and see? Users throwing fits, staff laying guilt trips, and people bickering.
I'm all for the events and special programs. I think they're great. Some will succeed, and some will fail. But we can't always turn feral when they don't go exactly as planned. Everybody ninnyes; it happens. We all get to the end of our rope sometimes. But let's see if we can stop it from becoming a forum wide event every time someone gets cranky or poop doesn't go as planned.
Let's take the olympics and do our best to participate. If it doesn't work out, that will certainly suck, but it won't be a reason for us all to turn on eachother and start pointing fingers.
We've all been poop holes. Especially TK. And as much as I hate hippies, lets actually do it. Let's actually try to all get along for a little while.
Just kidding, TK. You're more of a ninny than an poop hole.
I'm going to try to make sure no points are misread in this thread later on by replying to everyone I can. Please, for the sake of NSFCD, don't turn this into a drama thread. If you have any questions about another post ask before getting into the 40th civil war of NSFCD.
Let me just throw on something with a focal that wasn't touched on. I can't stress it enough:
We NEED to decide on something that people have a common bond towards as well If we're going with a focal, or poop will be much harder to transition to. Being a music board (Just a random example) would throw a good 50% of our userbase out of loop.
Fact be told, while NSFCD is united friendship wise, it's un-united in where we post in asides from the chat thread, which even then, some users avoid. The process for picking a focal should go about something like this -
1) Find a common bond. Something we can ALL try to agree towards and work towards. At least in some way or form.
2) Check the competition - Google "___ Forums" Fill in the blank there - Check out what we're competing against, what we offer to be different from that, and so forth.
3) Do what we can to help out on this goal - Some of us need to be on the advertisement ship (No. I'm not fully doing this myself, so, before you suggest it, shut up), all of us trying to support each others threads and ideas, and so forth.
If you don't know what to do for number 3 when the time comes here's something nobody else told you: Ask. Just take the initiative and ask. It does a lot more than you think it does.
editor's note: While it's going to be a hard goal to do all of it, personally, we CAN get it done. Last night even proved we can get poop done as a userbase. We stopped Drama, started a huge event, had a lot of fun, and finally we rode the motherintercourse ing dragon. That was with only what 15 of us?
There's a good what 50-60 People/regulars if you include the people in #nsider. Now not everyone will contribute, but if everyone uses their unique personalities and skills and unite together instead of whining at each other by asking staff and other members what they can do or how they can help and getting people on board and whatnot, we actually have a hope.
The light is dim but the other two options are dimmer.
I have to agree here. This is probably the most united forum I've seen, as far as users anyway. We need ONE focus, something we can agree on. But we can't be too extreme with it, not like n-sider.com is with one board for everything, thats a bit much. And I would consider NS2 to be the other end of the spectrum, their community is so splintered, it's ridiculous.
We need to find a middle ground, have a strong enough focus that we can all post about, but still be able to talk about other things. We do an okay job at this from what I've seen, but not this month. Why is this month so down? I'm not posting as much too, and I don't really have a reason, other than my life is starting to pick up. But how many just lurk for no reason?
whatever, my two cents. I've grown to like this place, it's become the only forum I go to.
Quote from: Zorua on May 31, 2010, 08:56:00 AM
It just seems as if there's no reason to post anymore. I mean really, what do we get out of posting? Nothing, really. Nothing that can't be done in IRC.
What we need is a reason to post.
Many of our users don't use IRC. Simple as that.
Quote from: Riddler on May 31, 2010, 01:18:42 PM
Many of our users don't use IRC. Simple as that.
That reminds me. To IRC!
everyone should just use irc and then you could close this place.
Kill the forum, leave the IRC.
I don't think it's worth paying for. An IRC channel is free, though, and will contain most of the same users.
Quote from: Thirdkoopa on May 31, 2010, 12:15:52 PM
1) Find a common bond. Something we can ALL try to agree towards and work towards. At least in some way or form.
This whole forum started as an Nsider spin-off. What was our focus in games? Nintendo. After that,
someone condensed the various boards of Nintendo series into one board, and we got boards on the current First-Party companies, Third-Party companies in general, a Legacy Board that's been around forever, and now, this odd board out that no one even bothers using.
While we've deviated from our original focus, we still currently share a similar focus: games. We started out as a forum to bring in users from a Nintendo-based forum, and now, looking at our current board structure, you can see that we still focus on games, not exclusive to Nintendo.
Looking at most of our active members, we're all gamers, to some extent. Some more than others, some just casual gamers, but one of the main themes behind NSF since the very beginning is video games.
Quote from: Wrath_of_Majora on May 31, 2010, 02:25:50 PM
Kill the forum, leave the IRC.
I don't think it's worth paying for. An IRC channel is free, though, and will contain most of the same users.
...didn't you just join?
Quote from: Wrath_of_Majora on May 31, 2010, 02:25:50 PM
Kill the forum, leave the IRC.
I don't think it's worth paying for. An IRC channel is free, though, and will contain most of the same users.
We have plenty of users who don't use IRC and we'd lose them if we did that.
Quote from: SkyMyl on May 31, 2010, 03:15:01 PM
Games
Alright, let's start from there.
Any oppossed to something unrelated in the gaming market or anything we could potentially do?
Also leaving soon for a while so you guys better keep this thread with active discussion.
Well... if we're doing games, why not make it a Game Review site? From the gamers, for the gamers. Plot, Game play, Soundtracks, Difficulty, a few other things, maybe. Things a lot of people like/dislike about videogames. We can rate either out of 5 or out of 10, though I think out of 5 would be best unless we get more things.
What about those two users you staff appointed as Squirtle Squad? Shouldn't they be doing something now?
Alright I'm on my iPod but I'd just like to say to K before any poop stirs up is that this is a discussion EVERY active user needs to be a part of, regardless of who's on staff and who's not.
Once I get back from my plane ride I'll try to interpret any posts out to the rest of you so we can all be on the same page on this.
Quote from: Zorua on June 01, 2010, 03:36:08 AM
What about those two users you staff appointed as Squirtle Squad? Shouldn't they be doing something now?
They are.
Quote from: Silverhawk79 on June 01, 2010, 11:48:38 AM
They are.
I'd like to see some bonds or "bridges" formed between us and other websites. I see none. ;_;
Quote from: Zorua on June 01, 2010, 11:55:58 AM
I'd like to see some bonds or "bridges" formed between us and other websites. I see none. ;_;
Just because you don't see it doesn't mean it's not there.
Quote from: The Offspring on June 01, 2010, 02:41:11 AM
Well... if we're doing games, why not make it a Game Review site? From the gamers, for the gamers. Plot, Game play, Soundtracks, Difficulty, a few other things, maybe. Things a lot of people like/dislike about videogames. We can rate either out of 5 or out of 10, though I think out of 5 would be best unless we get more things.
http://8th-circuit.com/
While they review things other than games, and do so very frequently, 8C is pretty much that. Don't forget that we're
hosting them too.
Why do we do this every month or two?
Doesn't matter who posts it. Usually, it's Mack, but now it's someone different. But it's the same darned broken record. We've needed a focus since day one. A hang-out is what we are. A gaming hang-out, and a darned good one at that.
Every gaming niche is filled by someone bigger and theoretically better than us. What we tried to be is filled by NS2 (albeit poorly, but it's a pretty darned big fight to go through if we want that niche.) Game reviews? As mentioned, 8th-circuit. You can't go much more specific than "Nsider spinoff!" and "Game reviews!" without delving into the void that is poopty Invision free forums.
Every time this thread pops up, it's "We need activity! Let's get ourselves a niche!" This has popped up for the last year and a half, and we're still darned fine. I don't care if it's a fine line we're hanging from, for all I know, the line's made of intercourse ing carbon nanotubes.
Quote from: Zorua on June 01, 2010, 11:55:58 AM
I'd like to see some bonds or "bridges" formed between us and other websites. I see none. ;_;
They exist, believe me.
"I'd like to see"
"believe"
Quote from: M҉̨͠O̵͟S̡҉̸͠͏ on June 01, 2010, 05:47:26 PM
"I'd like to see"
"believe"
8th-Circuit and Ichimonai, for starters.
I have never heard of them, so I checked them out, 8th circuit has a small link to NSFCD on a page no one probably goes to, and I can't find anything relating to us on Ichimonai other than Vaatix doing something there, and obviously other than this thread i've never even heard mention of these websites, so I don't see how any "bonds or bridges" have been formed.
Quote from: M҉̨͠O̵͟S̡҉̸͠͏ on June 01, 2010, 08:59:35 PM
I have never heard of them, so I checked them out, 8th circuit has a small link to NSFCD on a page no one probably goes to, and I can't find anything relating to us on Ichimonai other than Vaatix doing something there, and obviously other than this thread i've never even heard mention of these websites, so I don't see how any "bonds or bridges" have been formed.
Ichimonai is in the process of creating an affiliates page, just as NSFCD is. More so, we have a good flow of users going to and fro. We inform them of contests and v.v., and I believe Bored does so with had as well.
Yeah but I see no affiliations or people showing up as new members from other forums. If we have new members from other forums, there's no more than 1 or 2 active ones.
What NSFCD needs is more cowbell.
Quote from: Wrath_of_Majora on May 31, 2010, 02:25:50 PM
Kill the forum, leave the IRC.
I don't think it's worth paying for. An IRC channel is free, though, and will contain most of the same users.
I fell insulted every time somebody suggests dropping the forum and keeping the IRC. I've been here since 07 and rarely ever go to IRC. I don't plan to.
For now, just do everything you can to keep the forum.
Quote from: Silverhawk79 on June 01, 2010, 07:16:12 PM
8th-Circuit and Ichimonai, for starters.
Wasn't the work of the "Squirtle Squad," obviously. I'd like to see them do something.
It's a forum, yeah we all have memories here but there's no reason to get so worked up over the fact that the forum is going to die, or that all of our members are going to leave.
It's going to happen, no matter what we do.
Go with the flow, until it happens.
Nothing can ever have an infinite future.
Quote from: Wrath_of_Majora on June 02, 2010, 07:05:53 PM
Wasn't the work of the "Squirtle Squad," obviously. I'd like to see them do something.
They won't. It was just a little plot the staff thought of to TRY to do something. They didn't expect it to just fail. like:
"GUYS GUYS *big plans* WE ARE TOTALLY GOING TO PICK TWO RANDOM USERS AND GIVE THEM A RANK. THIS RANK AND THIS RANK ALONE WILL ENTITLE THEM TO HELP BRIDGE GAPS BETWEEN FORUMS. BECAUSE WE TOTALLY THINK WE CAN DO SOMETHING" ... *nothing happens*
..hey, sounds like Barack Obama.But seriously, their biggest mistake is appointing specific users for this job. NOW, say there was an announcement, or a challenge like this:
"So I want you all to go and try to bridge gaps between us and other forums. I want you to try and negotiate with administrators of other forums to start bonds and affiliations. The users who can do this the most successfully and create a positive impact on the community of NSFCD will receive the Squirtle Squad rank."
..that would have had a better impact.
Hey, that would have given me a motivation to help. But the way it is now, I see no reason to. I'll leave that to the Squirtle Squad. It's their job, isn't it? Isn't that why they received this rank? No? Then why the hell do it?
Just another thing NSFCD's staff can't follow through with. They say the Squirtle Squad is doing work, but I see no proof. I see no improvement in the forum due to them at all. So I don't believe a word of it.
Quote from: Wrath_of_Majora on May 31, 2010, 02:25:50 PM
Kill the forum, leave the IRC.
I don't think it's worth paying for. An IRC channel is free, though, and will contain most of the same users.
Then I'd have to deal with Riosan. And Razor was annoying when he started chatting with Riosan about lost. I'm also trying to figure out who JMM is and how he got OP when I don't see him posting here.
Also, there's a lot of idlers during the day it seems. I know it's not our network, but we should push the users of #nsider who are not active to join here and post. Even though MOS isn't positively contributing to NSFCD, he's contributing more than they are.
Quote from: Zorua on June 03, 2010, 12:28:54 PM
They won't. It was just a little plot the staff thought of to TRY to do something. They didn't expect it to just fail. like:
"GUYS GUYS *big plans* WE ARE TOTALLY GOING TO PICK TWO RANDOM USERS AND GIVE THEM A RANK. THIS RANK AND THIS RANK ALONE WILL ENTITLE THEM TO HELP BRIDGE GAPS BETWEEN FORUMS. BECAUSE WE TOTALLY THINK WE CAN DO SOMETHING" ... *nothing happens* ..hey, sounds like Barack Obama.
But seriously, their biggest mistake is appointing specific users for this job. NOW, say there was an announcement, or a challenge like this:
"So I want you all to go and try to bridge gaps between us and other forums. I want you to try and negotiate with administrators of other forums to start bonds and affiliations. The users who can do this the most successfully and create a positive impact on the community of NSFCD will receive the Squirtle Squad rank."
..that would have had a better impact.
Hey, that would have given me a motivation to help. But the way it is now, I see no reason to. I'll leave that to the Squirtle Squad. It's their job, isn't it? Isn't that why they received this rank? No? Then why the hell do it?
Just another thing NSFCD's staff can't follow through with. They say the Squirtle Squad is doing work, but I see no proof. I see no improvement in the forum due to them at all. So I don't believe a word of it.
Hey, guess what, don't talk about things you don't know anything about. Just because you can't see something happening, doesn't mean things aren't happening. Staff spends a lot of time discussing poop and getting work done. There's a lot of behind-the-scenes action going through, plans being made, etc, and just because you don't see it, doesn't mean nothing is happening. These things take time. You don't even know MYL and BFB's full roles. They do more than just "bridge gaps"; things that are specific to them. Oh, and saying they were chosen randomly? I'd like to see you back that up. They were chosen for a reason, and they were intercourse ing great choices.
You can go ahead and advertise this site at other places, if you'd like. But you can't say that doing that would be the same as doing what MYL and BFB are doing. Once you have proof that nothing is happening and these users aren't doing anything, then come back here and complain. Until then, stop badmouthing the hard work that is going into these forums and start helping the cause, rather than criticizing others.
Quote from: الذئب لص on June 03, 2010, 12:50:12 PM
Oh, and saying they were chosen randomly? I'd like to see you back that up. They were chosen for a reason, and they were intercourse ing great choices.
Quote from: الذئب لص on June 03, 2010, 12:50:12 PM
Oh, and saying they were chosen randomly? I'd like to see you back that up. They were chosen for a reason, and they were intercourse ing great choice
Stopped reading there, have to reply. They're posting over at the other forums - I can back you up there. I know BFB made a thread about us on Hadaway a while ago. I think I've also seen one more recently. I don't go to Ichimonai, so I have no idea what's going on over there. I guess I'll give the place another shot in a few days once I'm done with my reports.
Quote from: الذئب لص on June 03, 2010, 12:50:12 PM
Hey, guess what, don't talk about things you don't know anything about. Just because you can't see something happening, doesn't mean things aren't happening. Staff spends a lot of time discussing poop and getting work done. There's a lot of behind-the-scenes action going through, plans being made, etc, and just because you don't see it, doesn't mean nothing is happening. These things take time. You don't even know MYL and BFB's full roles. They do more than just "bridge gaps"; things that are specific to them. Oh, and saying they were chosen randomly? I'd like to see you back that up. They were chosen for a reason, and they were intercourse ing great choices.
You can go ahead and advertise this site at other places, if you'd like. But you can't say that doing that would be the same as doing what MYL and BFB are doing. Once you have proof that nothing is happening and these users aren't doing anything, then come back here and complain. Until then, stop badmouthing the hard work that is going into these forums and start helping the cause, rather than criticizing others.
Have you seen proof that what they're doing is actually working? I asked the staff what SS was currently doing, and I couldn't get an answer. I do have proof that nothing is happening. I don't see a single change that they're responsible for. So there are errors in your logic. They aren't doing anything I can see. If I find that they are doing something, I will stand corrected and take all this back. But until then, leave my opinion alone. Clearly I see nothing going on, you don't have to tell me what I do and don't see.
Also, I'm tired. So yes I am a little cranky. :(
Quote from: Zorua on June 03, 2010, 03:07:25 PM
Have you seen proof that what they're doing is actually working? I asked the staff what SS was currently doing, and I couldn't get an answer. I do have proof that nothing is happening. I don't see a single change that they're responsible for. So there are errors in your logic. They aren't doing anything I can see. If I find that they are doing something, I will stand corrected and take all this back. But until then, leave my opinion alone. Clearly I see nothing going on, you don't have to tell me what I do and don't see.
Also, I'm tired. So yes I am a little cranky. :(
I know that they're working hard. Our staff isn't stupid, they don't promote people for no reason and pretend things are happening. And they don't give members staff ranks and let them join staff discussion if they aren't bringing something to the table. You don't have proof nothing is happening, you just have proof that nothing has been openly discussed with the public. Actually, you don't even have that. Mack has unveiled quite a few new events, and there are still others waiting to come. How do you know that MYL and BFB haven't been involved in any of them? Just because they aren't parading their achievements doesn't mean they don't have any.
Quote from: Super on June 02, 2010, 02:12:10 PM
What NSFCD needs is more cowbell.
This. This. A thousand times, this.
Quote from: Xephyre on June 02, 2010, 03:47:24 PM
I fell insulted every time somebody suggests dropping the forum and keeping the IRC. I've been here since 07 and rarely ever go to IRC. I don't plan to.
For now, just do everything you can to keep the forum.
Also, this.
Quote from: Zorua on June 03, 2010, 12:28:54 PM
They won't. It was just a little plot the staff thought of to TRY to do something. They didn't expect it to just fail. like:
"GUYS GUYS *big plans* WE ARE TOTALLY GOING TO PICK TWO RANDOM USERS AND GIVE THEM A RANK. THIS RANK AND THIS RANK ALONE WILL ENTITLE THEM TO HELP BRIDGE GAPS BETWEEN FORUMS. BECAUSE WE TOTALLY THINK WE CAN DO SOMETHING" ... *nothing happens* ..hey, sounds like Barack Obama.
But seriously, their biggest mistake is appointing specific users for this job. NOW, say there was an announcement, or a challenge like this:
"So I want you all to go and try to bridge gaps between us and other forums. I want you to try and negotiate with administrators of other forums to start bonds and affiliations. The users who can do this the most successfully and create a positive impact on the community of NSFCD will receive the Squirtle Squad rank."
..that would have had a better impact.
Hey, that would have given me a motivation to help. But the way it is now, I see no reason to. I'll leave that to the Squirtle Squad. It's their job, isn't it? Isn't that why they received this rank? No? Then why the hell do it?
Just another thing NSFCD's staff can't follow through with. They say the Squirtle Squad is doing work, but I see no proof. I see no improvement in the forum due to them at all. So I don't believe a word of it.
But not this. K, shut the intercourse up.
Quote from: الذئب لص on June 03, 2010, 12:50:12 PM
Hey, guess what, don't talk about things you don't know anything about. Just because you can't see something happening, doesn't mean things aren't happening. Staff spends a lot of time discussing poop and getting work done. There's a lot of behind-the-scenes action going through, plans being made, etc, and just because you don't see it, doesn't mean nothing is happening. These things take time. You don't even know MYL and BFB's full roles. They do more than just "bridge gaps"; things that are specific to them. Oh, and saying they were chosen randomly? I'd like to see you back that up. They were chosen for a reason, and they were intercourse ing great choices.
You can go ahead and advertise this site at other places, if you'd like. But you can't say that doing that would be the same as doing what MYL and BFB are doing. Once you have proof that nothing is happening and these users aren't doing anything, then come back here and complain. Until then, stop badmouthing the hard work that is going into these forums and start helping the cause, rather than criticizing others.
ILY KJ. <3
Quote from: الذئب لص on June 03, 2010, 04:27:06 PM
I know that they're working hard. Our staff isn't stupid, they don't promote people for no reason and pretend things are happening. And they don't give members staff ranks and let them join staff discussion if they aren't bringing something to the table. You don't have proof nothing is happening, you just have proof that nothing has been openly discussed with the public. Actually, you don't even have that. Mack has unveiled quite a few new events, and there are still others waiting to come. How do you know that MYL and BFB haven't been involved in any of them? Just because they aren't parading their achievements doesn't mean they don't have any.
Yeah okay, I would assume the staff would give credit where credit is due. I SAID. AS soon as I see proof I'll take everything back, just putting forth my HONEST OPINION.
And I'm going to stop talking, because NSFCD is a place where opinions aren't respected.
Quote from: Zorua on June 03, 2010, 06:00:36 PM
NSFCD is a place where opinions aren't respected.
Welcome to
the internet life. Also, you are being an poop hole, I know I'm an poop hole but that's not involved in this. You are making poopty assumptions and questioning hard work of others. You're stating an opinion as if it were fact, you're not saying "I don't think they're doing anything (opinion)," you're saying "they aren't doing anything (fact/non-fact)." Claiming "they aren't doing anything" is an opinion is like saying "a triangle is a circle" is an opinion.
Quote from: JrDude φ on June 04, 2010, 12:35:12 AM
Welcome to the internet life. Also, you are being an poop hole, I know I'm an poop hole but that's not involved in this. You are making poopty assumptions and questioning hard work of others. You're stating an opinion as if it were fact, you're not saying "I don't think they're doing anything (opinion)," you're saying "they aren't doing anything (fact/non-fact)." Claiming "they aren't doing anything" is an opinion is like saying "a triangle is a circle" is an opinion.
Is they were doing something that benefits me, or anyone on the forum for that matter, I'd know. If they have something planned, good for them, but I haven't
seen anything. And that's what I said, that I haven't seen anything.
Which is a fact, and a true fact, too. I honestly have not seen anything that was because of them.
So, staff, just so you know: if they ARE doing something, we can't see it. So if you want us to see their hard work, please show us. We'd love to see what you've come up with.
Quote from: Zorua on June 04, 2010, 12:49:05 PM
Is they were doing something that benefits me, or anyone on the forum for that matter, I'd know. If they have something planned, good for them, but I haven't seen anything. And that's what I said, that I haven't seen anything.
Which is a fact, and a true fact, too. I honestly have not seen anything that was because of them.
So, staff, just so you know: if they ARE doing something, we can't see it. So if you want us to see their hard work, please show us. We'd love to see what you've come up with.
First you said they aren't doing anything. Your point to prove that was you aren't seeing anything, so it had to be true that they weren't doing anything.
We don't need to see anything until it's done, that's like watching an action movie before they even put in the special effects, watching guys swing and miss and make struggling noises, and watch a guy walk towards the screen trying to look epic and not even knowing why he's doing such a thing (like walking away from an exploding car, or something)
eh, maybe the staff should give weekly updates, or periodic updates, on whatever they happen to be working on at the time so as to not cause any unneeded confusion or frustrations and so they can get some recognition if they want it. And also to clue the forum users into what's going on. Actually if I remember it right the staff used to be more informative about things that were going on back in the day, but not so much anymore.
Quote from: revelry on June 04, 2010, 04:42:44 PM
eh, maybe the staff should give weekly updates, or periodic updates, on whatever they happen to be working on at the time so as to not cause any unneeded confusion or frustrations and so they can get some recognition if they want it. And also to clue the forum users into what's going on. Actually if I remember it right the staff used to be more informative about things that were going on back in the day, but not so much anymore.
We really don't have a ton to be informative about. Most of what is going down is stuff like the NFES of yore...we're in the middle of doing things, it's just not a ton of it is at a phase where we can reveal it. More so, we like to roll things out as surprises. I think the summer events calendar should do a good job of keeping people informed, though. I can throw in there that our "Pokemon" theme is being retired, that we have decided what to do with boards, etc.
Quote from: Zorua on June 03, 2010, 06:00:36 PM
Yeah okay, I would assume the staff would give credit where credit is due. I SAID. AS soon as I see proof I'll take everything back, just putting forth my HONEST OPINION.
And I'm going to stop talking, because NSFCD is a place where opinions aren't respected.
Sometimes opinions are wrong.
Quote from: Irene Adler on June 04, 2010, 11:39:31 PM
Sometimes opinions are wrong.
Opinions are always right and always wrong. Red is the coolest color ever. Is that right? To some people yes, to some people no.
If an opinion can be determined as right or wrong, then it's not an opinion, it's a fact/lie/untrue statement.
Silly children, opinions are only right when you have the power to enforce them. Otherwise, they either don't matter or are wrong. He who wins wars write history and all that. The Web is interesting, though, since even mundane, otherwise insignificant opinions have a hold over massive amounts of people... Kind of makes me wonder what the end result of all of our communication technology will be...
Quote from: Tito on June 04, 2010, 05:22:38 PM
I can throw in there that our "Pokemon" theme is being retired,
For a second I thought that said we were losing the Pokemon board.
But what exactly do you mean? I don't see much of a "Pokemon" theme around here, besides the name "Squirtle Squad" .. but if I look I'll probably find more, right?
Quote from: Zorua on June 05, 2010, 02:59:02 PM
For a second I thought that said we were losing the Pokemon board.
But what exactly do you mean? I don't see much of a "Pokemon" theme around here, besides the name "Squirtle Squad" .. but if I look I'll probably find more, right?
>category names
>staff rank names
>highest post count name
>RP/Game Board Name
Quote from: Zorua on June 04, 2010, 12:49:05 PM
Is they were doing something that benefits me, or anyone on the forum for that matter, I'd know. If they have something planned, good for them, but I haven't seen anything. And that's what I said, that I haven't seen anything.
Which is a fact, and a true fact, too. I honestly have not seen anything that was because of them.
So, staff, just so you know: if they ARE doing something, we can't see it. So if you want us to see their hard work, please show us. We'd love to see what you've come up with.
So everything we ever do has to be 100% visible to the forum? That's not how it works. Things are being done. We're not just saying that to placate the members.
Quote from: Silverhawk79 on June 05, 2010, 03:18:46 PM
So everything we ever do has to be 100% visible to the forum? That's not how it works. Things are being done. We're not just saying that to placate the members.
Well, if you want it to be known that things are being done, then...
Quote from: Silverhawk79 on June 05, 2010, 03:18:46 PM
So everything we ever do has to be 100% visible to the forum? That's not how it works. Things are being done. We're not just saying that to placate the members.
we need 100% transparency
just like the obama administration
Quote from: PsychoYoshi on June 05, 2010, 09:15:44 PM
we need 100% transparency
just like the obama administration
i luv u marshall py
Quote from: Zorua on June 05, 2010, 05:02:56 PM
Well, if you want it to be known that things are being done, then...
You're the only one who cares, so they don't need to.
Quote from: JrDude φ on June 06, 2010, 01:56:16 AM
You're the only one who cares, so they don't need to.
Well, if they don't, then I'm right in saying that I don't see anything happening.
In other words, If they're not going to show us anything, they can't get mad when we say we don't see anything going on. Simple as that.
Quote from: Zorua on June 06, 2010, 07:28:25 AM
Well, if they don't, then I'm right in saying that I don't see anything happening.
In other words, If they're not going to show us anything, they can't get mad when we say we don't see anything going on. Simple as that.
No one is mad that we say we don't see anything, they're annoyed at you saying that they aren't doing anything, grow a brain.
What we need is to get rid of the anal people on here. I'm not talking about just the gays, either.
And intercourse you, I can be serious and joke at the same time.
Quote from: Super on June 07, 2010, 02:46:55 AM
What we need is to get rid of the anal people on here. I'm not talking about just the gays, either.
And intercourse you, I can be serious and joke at the same time.
Super '12.
Quote from: Zorua on June 06, 2010, 07:28:25 AM
Well, if they don't, then I'm right in saying that I don't see anything happening.
In other words, If they're not going to show us anything, they can't get mad when we say we don't see anything going on. Simple as that.
Yeah, where did I ever get that silly notion that things are happening around here? Stupid me. (http://nsfcd.com/index.php?topic=36108.msg564828#new)
Quote from: الذئب لص on June 07, 2010, 07:24:59 PM
Yeah, where did I ever get that silly notion that things are happening around here? Stupid me. (http://nsfcd.com/index.php?topic=36108.msg564828#new)
Well excuuuuse me. I don't know the forums outside of Power On.
Plus, up until now admins have mentioned in the Town Square that there was a new thread in Bulletin Board, each time an important one was madeI never check Bulletin Board. It's really quiet and boring, so sorry. :|
Quote from: SkyMyl on June 01, 2010, 01:19:49 PM
While they review things other than games, and do so very frequently, 8C is pretty much that. Don't forget that we're hosting them too.
Alright, back to Square 1 then.
Finding what binds us...What other fields could we take with gaming? There isn't anything particular here that comes into mind for me.
i thought we were a intercourse ing nintendo forum. lets just go back to that. or an overall video game discussion forum.
Quote from: Zorua on June 08, 2010, 12:29:53 PM
Well excuuuuse me. I don't know the forums outside of Power On.
Plus, up until now admins have mentioned in the Town Square that there was a new thread in Bulletin Board, each time an important one was made
I never check Bulletin Board. It's really quiet and boring, so sorry. :|
rofl, how can you blame the administration for not doing anything when you don't even look to see if they are?
For some reason, I don't think they're the lazy ones here.
Quote from: Xephyre on June 11, 2010, 06:50:17 PM
rofl, how can you blame the administration for not doing anything when you don't even look to see if they are?
For some reason, I don't think they're the lazy ones here.
I said, they always mention something in IRC, etc. and I ALWAYS hear about it.
Doesn't help how slow this forum can be at times when I try loading thread indexes of different boards.
It's a cycle of laziness here.
Members are too lazy to do anything, so admins are too lazy to do anything.
When us admins try to do something, it fails because the members fail to care.
Everyone sucks.
It's not laziness, it's apathy. It's just a lack of care.
Quote from: Mace on June 27, 2010, 06:28:29 PM
It's not laziness, it's apathy. It's just a lack of care.
I barely care enough to finish this po
I'd like to point out that had a certain group not started mass posting, we'd still be at 30 posts today.
Quote from: Mace on June 27, 2010, 08:21:13 PM
I'd like to point out that had a certain group not started mass posting, we'd still be at 30 posts today.
Subliminal posting?
I could make more than 30 posts a day myself.
...if I cared enough to