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I think hes gonna fill the last spot on the dojo, but he wont be the last altogether, more will be in final game.

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No.  Lucrappyo is insanely overrated, and would be better off in a Pokeball (at best)

I think chances are, Lucario will be playable.

I really would rather see Ridley or Captain olimar. ::) Besides, what was that Grass-based Pokemon that people hoped to be playable but turned out to be a Pokeball?

Quote from: Tuppyluver1 on November 03, 2007, 11:28:36 AM
I really would rather see Ridley or Captain olimar. ::) Besides, what was that Grass-based Pokemon that people hoped to be playable but turned out to be a Pokeball?

Celebi?

Quote from: Tuppyluver1 on November 03, 2007, 11:28:36 AM
I really would rather see Ridley or Captain olimar. ::) Besides, what was that Grass-based Pokemon that people hoped to be playable but turned out to be a Pokeball?

uh, there where no grass type pokemon........Gardevoir is psychic,

Lucario has good chances IMO he has about everything going for him
Popularity
Anime significence
Competitive significance
Game significance
all at once.

Gardevoir had good chances, but sadly, he was a Pokeball. Lucario has a pretty good chance.

Quote from: Tuppyluver1 on November 03, 2007, 11:38:33 AM
Gardevoir had good chances, but sadly, he was a Pokeball. Lucario has a pretty good chance.

The best thing Gardevoir had going was her lead role in Pokemon Mystery Dungeon and Japanese popularity (I think).

Quote from: Lotos on November 03, 2007, 11:39:44 AM
Please replace Pichu D:

with a better 2nd gen pokemon? yes

Quote from: Lotos on November 03, 2007, 11:43:05 AM

Quote from: Avion-Finch on November 03, 2007, 11:41:11 AM

Quote from: Lotos on November 03, 2007, 11:39:44 AM
Please replace Pichu D:

with a better 2nd gen pokemon? yes

That's a better idea :)

Gligar, Granbull, Scizor was a Pokeball, why not now a playable?

*Avion, make a thread on this if you haven't*

I see either Typhlosion or Tyranitar, especially tyranitar, because of its huge competitive influence.
(I did make a thread about the second gen, its back a few pages)

I think Blissey would be a funny 2nd gen rep.

Quote from: Avion-Finch on November 03, 2007, 11:34:06 AM

Lucario has good chances IMO he has about everything going for him

Alright, lets break everything down in your logic, then.

QuotePopularity

Then why do people want Pichu out?  In case you didn't know, Japan has a favoritism for the insanely cute, which is why there were probably a hundred Pikachu and Jigglypuff fanclubs before the anime was even announced.  I'm sure a cutie-pie like Pichu has at least half as many fanclubs in Japan.

QuoteAnime significence

Significant?  I'm guessing this is another "BEKUZ HE WUZ N DA MOOVEEEE!!11!" argument, which I'm tired of seeing.  The movies have little to nothing to do with the games as a whole.  If movies played any sort of significance in games, Mario and Luigi would sound like New Yorkers and Luigi would be a teenager.

As for the anime itself, it has only a couple things to do with the games.  Pokemon and gyms.  Plus, if Lucario was so important to Sinnoh, I'd think he'd play a much larger role in the series than being in the opening credits.

QuoteCompetitive significance

He's got Steel, which is arguably the worst offensive type in the game.  Heck, he's even weak against his own sub-type, Fighting.  Instead of being defensive against Psychic, his fighting weakness makes it normally effective, which is still a big blow, considering.  It also does that for Flying types.  Moving on, he's weak against fire and ground, two more very common types.

Lets look at the offensive advantages for Fighting and Steel, now:
Fighting has:
Normal
Rock
Steel
Ice
Dark

Steel has:
Rock
Ice

The type combo does nothing to boost his offensive ability, which is what Fighting types rely on.

QuoteGame significance

So he was on a Gym Leader's team and a Champion's team.  I don't see people wanting Dragonite or Spiritomb playable, and they were BOTH on champion teams.

There you go, there's the holes in your logic.  With those "advantages", more or less any Pokemon could be playable.

Lucrappyo's too darn overrated, and I'd personally rather have Metapod as playable.

Quote from: Dei Enyt on November 03, 2007, 12:12:27 PM

Quote from: Avion-Finch on November 03, 2007, 11:34:06 AM

Lucario has good chances IMO he has about everything going for him

Alright, lets break everything down in your logic, then.

QuotePopularity

Then why do people want Pichu out?  In case you didn't know, Japan has a favoritism for the insanely cute, which is why there were probably a hundred Pikachu and Jigglypuff fanclubs before the anime was even announced.  I'm sure a cutie-pie like Pichu has at least half as many fanclubs in Japan.

QuoteAnime significence

Significant?  I'm guessing this is another "BEKUZ HE WUZ N DA MOOVEEEE!!11!" argument, which I'm tired of seeing.  The movies have little to nothing to do with the games as a whole.  If movies played any sort of significance in games, Mario and Luigi would sound like New Yorkers and Luigi would be a teenager.

As for the anime itself, it has only a couple things to do with the games.  Pokemon and gyms.  Plus, if Lucario was so important to Sinnoh, I'd think he'd play a much larger role in the series than being in the opening credits.

QuoteCompetitive significance

He's got Steel, which is arguably the worst offensive type in the game.  Heck, he's even weak against his own sub-type, Fighting.  Instead of being defensive against Psychic, his fighting weakness makes it normally effective, which is still a big blow, considering.  It also does that for Flying types.  Moving on, he's weak against fire and ground, two more very common types.

Lets look at the offensive advantages for Fighting and Steel, now:
Fighting has:
Normal
Rock
Steel
Ice
Dark

Steel has:
Rock
Ice

The type combo does nothing to boost his offensive ability, which is what Fighting types rely on.

QuoteGame significance

So he was on a Gym Leader's team and a Champion's team.  I don't see people wanting Dragonite or Spiritomb playable, and they were BOTH on champion teams.

There you go, there's the holes in your logic.  With those "advantages", more or less any Pokemon could be playable.

Lucrappyo's too dang overrated, and I'd personally rather have Metapod as playable.

you have no understanding of competitive pokemon play, the reason Lucario is so high tier is because his movepool is HUGE and it has good stats to back those up, steel isnt supposed to be an offensive type either, its a pure defensive type, thats why flying types and psychic types arent as good against lucario as they are in other fighting types, also, the reason Dragonite wouldnt work is because the 1st gen has so many other pokemon that are more important, also, Lucario was one of the first 4th gen pokemon reveiled, and was a very rare pokemon, heck some people even thought it was legandary.

But is it legendary?  No.

And if being legendary makes any sort of difference, explain Deoxys. ^_^

Quote from: Dei Enyt on November 03, 2007, 12:21:31 PM
But is it legendary?  No.

And if being legendary makes any sort of difference, explain Deoxys. ^_^

look at mewtwo, ok that was dumb sorry, let me continue though

You ask why, if popularity matters, why pichu is wanted out, here is the reason, he's only popular in japan, the US, doesnt love him like Japan does, Lucario however, has equal popularity, throughout, America AND Japan.

I can guarantee that if the movie was "Bidoof and the Mystery of Mew", people would want Bidoof as playable instead of Lucrappyo. ^_^

Quote from: Dei Enyt on November 03, 2007, 12:26:24 PM
I can guarantee that if the movie was "Bidoof and the Mystery of Mew", people would want Bidoof as playable instead of Lucrappyo. ^_^

but it wasnt, if Super Mario Bros had been called, Super Mr T bros, Mr t would be playable, but we live in a world where its Super MARIO bros and LUCARIO and the Mystery of mew.

But what if it wasn't?  :O

Which proves my point: Lucrappyo is only popular because of the movie.  If there was no movie, he'd just be another Poke, and I wouldn't care.

Note that I said "IF", this time. >_>


Edit:  And if movies have the final say, why doesn't anyone want Robocop or Darth Vader in Brawl?  Sure, they weren't made by Nintendo, but THEY WER IN MOOVEES!!!!!!11!!!

Quote from: Dei Enyt on November 03, 2007, 12:30:31 PM
But what if it wasn't?  :O

Which proves my point: Lucrappyo is only popular because of the movie.  If there was no movie, he'd just be another Poke, and I wouldn't care.

Note that I said "IF", this time. >_>

Its more then just that, Like I said, one of the first reveiled Sinnoh pokemon, that had something to do with it too.  You can counter to say that pikachu is only popular because of the anime, even though in game........its not a good pokemon.

Just because they're the first revealed doesn't necessarily mean they're the best.  Look at Kekleon and Azurill.  They were among the first revealed Pokes, and they're considered "meh", last I checked.

(+1 Post)

Edit:  Heh, at least this is more engaging than the last NSider. XD

Quote from: Dei Enyt on November 03, 2007, 12:34:50 PM
Just because they're the first revealed doesn't necessarily mean they're the best.  Look at Kekleon and Azurill.  They were among the first revealed Pokes, and they're considered "meh", last I checked.

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Like I've been saying, the thing about lucario is, its a CULMINATION of things
1st pokemon reveiled: may not have helped kekleon(although it is a cool pokemon) but thats because of its lack of game importance
Game importance: being a rare pokemon may not have helped Deoxys, but since Mewtwo is already there as a legandary rep, it got da boot.
representation: Lucario is pretty much the most reccomended 4th gen pokemon, and is pretty standalone, meowth was just another 1st gen pokemon possibly showing why it got stuck with a pokeball.

its just too much at once, looking at its points one at a time may make it look meh, but all at once its hard to deny.

If it's hard to deny the combination, then how is it that I am denying it? xP

And that cumulation can work both ways; as I said earlier, the advantages themselves have some major disadvantages.  Be careful when you fight with a double-edged sword.

Quote from: Dei Enyt on November 03, 2007, 01:06:56 PM
If it's hard to deny the combination, then how is it that I am denying it? xP

And that cumulation can work both ways; as I said earlier, the advantages themselves have some major disadvantages.  Be careful when you fight with a double-edged sword.

Exactly, but the problem with all of this is, it doesnt matter what you or I think, its all up to what Sakurai thinks, he may think Lucario would be playable or not, its all his decision, not ours.

True indeed.  I personally still see him as nothing more than getting into a Pokeball.

Thanks for helping me boost my post count. =D

Uh, Avion... Pikachu had MAJOR game significance at one point.

Ever hear of Pokemon Yellow?

Geez, I hate Pokemon and I can say that much.

Also, if Lucario's important because of a movie, Articuno, Moltres, Zapdos, and Lugia should have had a fair shot in Melee (going by your logic).

If Lucario's not legendary, was only presumed to be due to when he was revealed, was in a movie and an opening... that doesn't give him much. I mean, Pikachu's Ash's main Pokemon, Jiggles was the annoying blob that mad everyone off in the first season, so had a comical role. Mewtwo... self explanatory. Legendary, movie, major significance in the game. Pichu, The Blind Archer stated why.

I say kick Pichu, and leave it as is after that. We have enough dang Pokemon anyways. It's supposed to be comprised of a mostly Nintendo scene. Lucrappyo doesn't deserve to be classed with the likes of Ike, Link, Pit and Mario. And this is coming from a dude who's totally Anti-Mario.

Quote from: Zanryu on November 03, 2007, 01:20:57 PM
Uh, Avion... Pikachu had MAJOR game significance at one point.

Ever hear of Pokemon Yellow?

Geez, I hate Pokemon and I can say that much.

Also, if Lucario's important because of a movie, Articuno, Moltres, Zapdos, and Lugia should have had a fair shot in Melee (going by your logic).

If Lucario's not legendary, was only presumed to be due to when he was revealed, was in a movie and an opening... that doesn't give him much. I mean, Pikachu's Ash's main Pokemon, Jiggles was the annoying blob that mad everyone off in the first season, so had a comical role. Mewtwo... self explanatory. Legendary, movie, major significance in the game. Pichu, The Blind Archer stated why.

I say kick Pichu, and leave it as is after that. We have enough dang Pokemon anyways. It's supposed to be comprised of a mostly Nintendo scene. Lucrappyo doesn't deserve to be classed with the likes of Ike, Link, Pit and Mario. And this is coming from a dude who's totally Anti-Mario.

we dont need any more darn pokemon..........that is so old, its nintendo's second biggest franchise, just because you dont like it doesnt mean anything.

Quote from: Zanryu on November 03, 2007, 01:20:57 PM
Uh, Avion... Pikachu had MAJOR game significance at one point.

Ever hear of Pokemon Yellow?

Geez, I hate Pokemon and I can say that much.

Also, if Lucario's important because of a movie, Articuno, Moltres, Zapdos, and Lugia should have had a fair shot in Melee (going by your logic).

If Lucario's not legendary, was only presumed to be due to when he was revealed, was in a movie and an opening... that doesn't give him much. I mean, Pikachu's Ash's main Pokemon, Jiggles was the annoying blob that mad everyone off in the first season, so had a comical role. Mewtwo... self explanatory. Legendary, movie, major significance in the game. Pichu, The Blind Archer stated why.

I say kick Pichu, and leave it as is after that. We have enough dang Pokemon anyways. It's supposed to be comprised of a mostly Nintendo scene. Lucrappyo doesn't deserve to be classed with the likes of Ike, Link, Pit and Mario. And this is coming from a dude who's totally Anti-Mario.

I laugh at you. Pokemon Yellow came out after Red and Blue and was based solely off of the anime. It was called the "special Pikachu edition" for a reason and that reason is the anime. Also, Pokemon is the big N's 2nd biggest franchise. I really don't think they would ignore that. And besides, it's not like you have to play as the characters anyway.

Edit: You're points are terrible. Blind Archer came up with way better arguments than you.

BTW, don't we have enough Pokemon characters? I think that if Lucario is in, Mewto should leave. Besides, Pokemon Trainer is essentially 3 Pokemon in 1.

Quote from: Tuppyluver1 on November 03, 2007, 01:42:00 PM
BTW, don't we have enough Pokemon characters? I think that if Lucario is in, Mewto should leave. Besides, Pokemon Trainer is essentially 3 Pokemon in 1.

3 pokemon missing a b down= not whole characters ;)

Don't assume poop. It's NOT because I dislike the series. Who cares if it's the second biggest franchise? Just because you're a Pokemon buff doesn't mean we DO need more.

I LIKE Pikachu. He's a good character. Jiggles is fun to use. Challenging. Mewtwo's the poop. Pichu sucks in general.

Would you prefer having 7 Pokemon characters versus 4 Mario characters, or 3 Zelda Characters, or 2/3 Fire Emblem characters?

I'll admit, Pokemon was good at the start. Now it's overdone and should die. It doesn't need any more representatives in Smash Bros. Three is plenty. At the most, I saw have 4 reps per series, depending. I think 3 Pokemon with enough significance works. Don't add one that has one thing going for it, with hundreds of things against it.

@Nils:

You're intercourse ing stupid. You don't think I know that? I had every Pokemon game up to Ruby and Sapphire. I think I know what came when, and what was based off of what. If my points are so terrible, why bother arguing them?

I know you don't HAVE to play the character, but what REAL significance does he have?

None.

How does he deserve to be in Brawl?

He doesn't.

Think about the big picture. Like Dei said, Darth Vader's not in Brawl. He was in a movie. Lucario was in a movie. Does he deserve to be in Brawl? They have the exact same things going for them. Stop whining about a worthless option.

Quote from: Avion-Finch on November 03, 2007, 01:42:36 PM

Quote from: Tuppyluver1 on November 03, 2007, 01:42:00 PM
BTW, don't we have enough Pokemon characters? I think that if Lucario is in, Mewto should leave. Besides, Pokemon Trainer is essentially 3 Pokemon in 1.

3 pokemon missing a b down= not whole characters ;)

Quote from: Zanryu on November 03, 2007, 01:47:11 PM
Don't assume s***. It's NOT because I dislike the series. Who cares if it's the second biggest franchise? Just because you're a Pokemon buff doesn't mean we DO need more.

I LIKE Pikachu. He's a good character. Jiggles is fun to use. Challenging. Mewtwo's the s***. Pichu sucks in general.

Would you prefer having 7 Pokemon characters versus 4 Mario characters, or 3 Zelda Characters, or 2/3 Fire Emblem characters?

I'll admit, Pokemon was good at the start. Now it's overdone and should die. It doesn't need any more representatives in Smash Bros. Three is plenty. At the most, I saw have 4 reps per series, depending. I think 3 Pokemon with enough significance works. Don't add one that has one thing going for it, with hundreds of things against it.

@Nils:

You're f***ing stupid. You don't think I know that? I had every Pokemon game up to Ruby and Sapphire. I think I know what came when, and what was based off of what. If my points are so terrible, why bother arguing them?

I know you don't HAVE to play the character, but what REAL significance does he have?

None.

How does he deserve to be in Brawl?

He doesn't.

Think about the big picture. Like Dei said, Darth Vader's not in Brawl. He was in a movie. Lucario was in a movie. Does he deserve to be in Brawl? They have the exact same things going for them. Stop b***ing about a worthless option.

uh, Lucario has more for him then the movie -_-

Quote from: Tuppyluver1 on November 03, 2007, 01:48:47 PM

Quote from: Avion-Finch on November 03, 2007, 01:42:36 PM

Quote from: Tuppyluver1 on November 03, 2007, 01:42:00 PM
BTW, don't we have enough Pokemon characters? I think that if Lucario is in, Mewto should leave. Besides, Pokemon Trainer is essentially 3 Pokemon in 1.

3 pokemon missing a b down= not whole characters ;)

But they are ment to be used as one character, but hey, maybe that will be it, maybe not, we wont know until either
a, an update comes up
b, it comes out in February
c, info gets leaked(God I hope not)

Quote from: Avion-Finch on November 03, 2007, 01:49:33 PM

Quote from: Zanryu on November 03, 2007, 01:47:11 PM
Don't assume s***. It's NOT because I dislike the series. Who cares if it's the second biggest franchise? Just because you're a Pokemon buff doesn't mean we DO need more.

I LIKE Pikachu. He's a good character. Jiggles is fun to use. Challenging. Mewtwo's the s***. Pichu sucks in general.

Would you prefer having 7 Pokemon characters versus 4 Mario characters, or 3 Zelda Characters, or 2/3 Fire Emblem characters?

I'll admit, Pokemon was good at the start. Now it's overdone and should die. It doesn't need any more representatives in Smash Bros. Three is plenty. At the most, I saw have 4 reps per series, depending. I think 3 Pokemon with enough significance works. Don't add one that has one thing going for it, with hundreds of things against it.

@Nils:

You're f***ing stupid. You don't think I know that? I had every Pokemon game up to Ruby and Sapphire. I think I know what came when, and what was based off of what. If my points are so terrible, why bother arguing them?

I know you don't HAVE to play the character, but what REAL significance does he have?

None.

How does he deserve to be in Brawl?

He doesn't.

Think about the big picture. Like Dei said, Darth Vader's not in Brawl. He was in a movie. Lucario was in a movie. Does he deserve to be in Brawl? They have the exact same things going for them. Stop b***ing about a worthless option.

uh, Lucario has more for him then the movie -_-

His popularity, I'm guessing.

Quote from: Tuppyluver1 on November 03, 2007, 01:55:02 PM

Quote from: Avion-Finch on November 03, 2007, 01:49:33 PM

Quote from: Zanryu on November 03, 2007, 01:47:11 PM
Don't assume s***. It's NOT because I dislike the series. Who cares if it's the second biggest franchise? Just because you're a Pokemon buff doesn't mean we DO need more.

I LIKE Pikachu. He's a good character. Jiggles is fun to use. Challenging. Mewtwo's the s***. Pichu sucks in general.

Would you prefer having 7 Pokemon characters versus 4 Mario characters, or 3 Zelda Characters, or 2/3 Fire Emblem characters?

I'll admit, Pokemon was good at the start. Now it's overdone and should die. It doesn't need any more representatives in Smash Bros. Three is plenty. At the most, I saw have 4 reps per series, depending. I think 3 Pokemon with enough significance works. Don't add one that has one thing going for it, with hundreds of things against it.

@Nils:

You're f***ing stupid. You don't think I know that? I had every Pokemon game up to Ruby and Sapphire. I think I know what came when, and what was based off of what. If my points are so terrible, why bother arguing them?

I know you don't HAVE to play the character, but what REAL significance does he have?

None.

How does he deserve to be in Brawl?

He doesn't.

Think about the big picture. Like Dei said, Darth Vader's not in Brawl. He was in a movie. Lucario was in a movie. Does he deserve to be in Brawl? They have the exact same things going for them. Stop b***ing about a worthless option.

uh, Lucario has more for him then the movie -_-

His popularity, I'm guessing.

He's also a good pokemon competitive battling wise,

Oh wow. He's in an opening, was one of the first to be revealed, and is on a champion's team.

Big deal, that's like the spider on the bottom of my shoe: nothing.

You can't honestly think that that's enough. Gyarados has been all over the Elite Four and whatnot, and there was a big thing about it in Gold, Silver and Crystal with the shiny Gyarados in the Lake place. He got a nice bonus for getting snapped in Pokemon Snap. You don't see people spazzing for him to be in Brawl, do you? Face it, Avion, it's the movie. You practically said so himself.

Dei said what if it was Bidoof, yadda yadda. You said it doesn't matter, so blah blah blah. You proved my own point, as well as Dei's with that.

@Tuppy: He's popular because of said movie. That doesn't matter, it's an insignificant point, much like anything besides the movie, which are almost nonexistent.

EDIT: Avion, almost EVERY Pokemon can be good in battle. It depends how it's trained and what skills it have, which is why that's also an invalid point.

Quote from: Zanryu on November 03, 2007, 01:57:03 PM
Oh wow. He's in an opening, was one of the first to be revealed, and is on a champion's team.

Big deal, that's like the spider on the bottom of my shoe: nothing.

You can't honestly think that that's enough. Gyarados has been all over the Elite Four and whatnot, and there was a big thing about it in Gold, Silver and Crystal with the shiny Gyarados in the Lake place. He got a nice bonus for getting snapped in Pokemon Snap. You don't see people spazzing for him to be in Brawl, do you? Face it, Avion, it's the movie. You practically said so himself.

Dei said what if it was Bidoof, yadda yadda. You said it doesn't matter, so blah blah blah. You proved my own point, as well as Dei's with that.

@Tuppy: He's popular because of said movie. That doesn't matter, it's an insignificant point, much like anything besides the movie, which are almost nonexistent.

you make it seem like its impossible to get in brawl, Ike was in ONE game, (at the time brawl was being made) ooooooh, same with lucas, one game, and thats about it, but you make it seem like a character has to bloody cure cancer to get in, Lucario has popularity, it doesnt matter how he got said popularity, its popularity, you act like thats not enough, tell me, what to you must a character have to get in?

Quote from: Zanryu on November 03, 2007, 01:47:11 PM
Don't assume s***. It's NOT because I dislike the series. Who cares if it's the second biggest franchise? Just because you're a Pokemon buff doesn't mean we DO need more.

I LIKE Pikachu. He's a good character. Jiggles is fun to use. Challenging. Mewtwo's the s***. Pichu sucks in general.

Would you prefer having 7 Pokemon characters versus 4 Mario characters, or 3 Zelda Characters, or 2/3 Fire Emblem characters?

I'll admit, Pokemon was good at the start. Now it's overdone and should die. It doesn't need any more representatives in Smash Bros. Three is plenty. At the most, I saw have 4 reps per series, depending. I think 3 Pokemon with enough significance works. Don't add one that has one thing going for it, with hundreds of things against it.

@Nils:

You're f***ing stupid. You don't think I know that? I had every Pokemon game up to Ruby and Sapphire. I think I know what came when, and what was based off of what. If my points are so terrible, why bother arguing them?

I know you don't HAVE to play the character, but what REAL significance does he have?

None.

How does he deserve to be in Brawl?

He doesn't.

Think about the big picture. Like Dei said, Darth Vader's not in Brawl. He was in a movie. Lucario was in a movie. Does he deserve to be in Brawl? They have the exact same things going for them. Stop b***ing about a worthless option.

Oh, so you're opinions are worthless now? Okay. And get your facts right. Nintendo is practically throwing Lucario into the spotlight. Look at all of his merchandise. He has popularity. He was a legendary rescuer in PMD mentioned by Alakazam. You can get a Lucario statue upon achieving LUCARIO rank, the HIGHEST rank. Not everyone in D/P has a Lucario either. Only Maylene (3rd gym leader), Cynthia (champion), and Riley, who was a guy that looks like Sir Aaron from the Lucario movie. Lucario has much more than the movie. If it wasn't for the movies, Mewtwo wouln't be a villian and every movie Pokemon would just be another Pokemon.

Quote from: Nils_13 on November 03, 2007, 02:03:21 PM

Quote from: Zanryu on November 03, 2007, 01:47:11 PM
Don't assume s***. It's NOT because I dislike the series. Who cares if it's the second biggest franchise? Just because you're a Pokemon buff doesn't mean we DO need more.

I LIKE Pikachu. He's a good character. Jiggles is fun to use. Challenging. Mewtwo's the s***. Pichu sucks in general.

Would you prefer having 7 Pokemon characters versus 4 Mario characters, or 3 Zelda Characters, or 2/3 Fire Emblem characters?

I'll admit, Pokemon was good at the start. Now it's overdone and should die. It doesn't need any more representatives in Smash Bros. Three is plenty. At the most, I saw have 4 reps per series, depending. I think 3 Pokemon with enough significance works. Don't add one that has one thing going for it, with hundreds of things against it.

@Nils:

You're f***ing stupid. You don't think I know that? I had every Pokemon game up to Ruby and Sapphire. I think I know what came when, and what was based off of what. If my points are so terrible, why bother arguing them?

I know you don't HAVE to play the character, but what REAL significance does he have?

None.

How does he deserve to be in Brawl?

He doesn't.

Think about the big picture. Like Dei said, Darth Vader's not in Brawl. He was in a movie. Lucario was in a movie. Does he deserve to be in Brawl? They have the exact same things going for them. Stop b***ing about a worthless option.

Oh, so you're opinions are worthless now? Okay. And get your facts right. Nintendo is practically throwing Lucario into the spotlight. Look at all of his merchandise. He has popularity. He was a legendary rescuer in PMD mentioned by Alakazam. You can get a Lucario statue upon achieving LUCARIO rank, the HIGHEST rank. Not everyone in D/P has a Lucario either. Only Maylene (3rd gym leader), Cynthia (champion), and Riley, who was a guy that looks like Sir Aaron from the Lucario movie. Lucario has much more than the movie. If it wasn't for the movies, Mewtwo wouln't be a villian and every movie Pokemon would just be another Pokemon.

Merchandise means nothing. If he's a main character, he has a chance.

Quote from: Tuppyluver1 on November 03, 2007, 02:08:03 PM

Quote from: Nils_13 on November 03, 2007, 02:03:21 PM

Quote from: Zanryu on November 03, 2007, 01:47:11 PM
Don't assume s***. It's NOT because I dislike the series. Who cares if it's the second biggest franchise? Just because you're a Pokemon buff doesn't mean we DO need more.

I LIKE Pikachu. He's a good character. Jiggles is fun to use. Challenging. Mewtwo's the s***. Pichu sucks in general.

Would you prefer having 7 Pokemon characters versus 4 Mario characters, or 3 Zelda Characters, or 2/3 Fire Emblem characters?

I'll admit, Pokemon was good at the start. Now it's overdone and should die. It doesn't need any more representatives in Smash Bros. Three is plenty. At the most, I saw have 4 reps per series, depending. I think 3 Pokemon with enough significance works. Don't add one that has one thing going for it, with hundreds of things against it.

@Nils:

You're f***ing stupid. You don't think I know that? I had every Pokemon game up to Ruby and Sapphire. I think I know what came when, and what was based off of what. If my points are so terrible, why bother arguing them?

I know you don't HAVE to play the character, but what REAL significance does he have?

None.

How does he deserve to be in Brawl?

He doesn't.

Think about the big picture. Like Dei said, Darth Vader's not in Brawl. He was in a movie. Lucario was in a movie. Does he deserve to be in Brawl? They have the exact same things going for them. Stop b***ing about a worthless option.

Oh, so you're opinions are worthless now? Okay. And get your facts right. Nintendo is practically throwing Lucario into the spotlight. Look at all of his merchandise. He has popularity. He was a legendary rescuer in PMD mentioned by Alakazam. You can get a Lucario statue upon achieving LUCARIO rank, the HIGHEST rank. Not everyone in D/P has a Lucario either. Only Maylene (3rd gym leader), Cynthia (champion), and Riley, who was a guy that looks like Sir Aaron from the Lucario movie. Lucario has much more than the movie. If it wasn't for the movies, Mewtwo wouln't be a villian and every movie Pokemon would just be another Pokemon.

Merchandise means nothing. If he's a main character, he has a chance.

pokemon has no main characters besides the trainer, so choosing pokemon reps from it must be based on popularity.

Mewtwo: Big character.

Pikachu: Also a main character.

Jiggles: I don't get it, but she was a good asset. I complained about her, too.

Ike got in because he was the main character in a game. I admit, some of it is based on popularity, but not the whole of it. That's all Lucario has, because of the movie. The toys and whatnot are results of the movie. It doesn't frigging matter WHO had him as the team, the rank doesn't mean crap all. Significance for Lucario = God dividing by zero.

Significance for Ike = High.

Also, Marth has HUGE significance. In two games to date, started the series, could say three games due to the two stories in FE3, and he's in FE11 for the DS. Roy was an advertisement, so if he's back, cool. If not, we need a replacement. Ike takes that by having counter, and a copy of Roy's B move. Only difference is the animation. Fully charged is usually an OHKO, and you take 10% damage.

Lucas... I still don't know why he's in. You have NO idea how much I complained about him.

Quote from: Zanryu on November 03, 2007, 02:15:47 PM
Mewtwo: Big character.

Pikachu: Also a main character.

Jiggles: I don't get it, but she was a good asset. I complained about her, too.

Ike got in because he was the main character in a game. I admit, some of it is based on popularity, but not the whole of it. That's all Lucario has, because of the movie. The toys and whatnot are results of the movie. It doesn't frigging matter WHO had him as the team, the rank doesn't mean crap all. Significance for Lucario = God dividing by zero.

Significance for Ike = High.

Also, Marth has HUGE significance. In two games to date, started the series, could say three games due to the two stories in FE3, and he's in FE11 for the DS. Roy was an advertisement, so if he's back, cool. If not, we need a replacement. Ike takes that by having counter, and a copy of Roy's B move. Only difference is the animation. Fully charged is usually an OHKO, and you take 10% damage.

Lucas... I still don't know why he's in. You have NO idea how much I complained about him.

hmm, alot of those seem to be characters you dont like, well, you see, this shows something, ITS SAKURAIS DECISION NOT OURS, he wants Lucario in, he'll be in, he doesnt want him in, pokeball.

ack! listen to me! lucario is a deadly famous and popular pokemon in both games and anime! most evryone i saw on wi-fi in pearl had him. his moves seem perfect for smash bros:
B special: aura sphere, side B: Bonemerang, down B: bone rush, Up B: super jump. Lucario can also run fast, so he could have the stats of captain falcon as well. Pichu (as i read from his trophy profile in melee) had only one purpose: to run around and grab items. Mewtwo had more of his features taken from the anime, and he was good!

Sure, I wouldn't mind Lucario in Brawl. It's not like we have any better candidate for Pokemon.

Quote from: Avion-Finch on November 03, 2007, 02:18:58 PM

Quote from: Zanryu on November 03, 2007, 02:15:47 PM
Mewtwo: Big character.

Pikachu: Also a main character.

Jiggles: I don't get it, but she was a good asset. I complained about her, too.

Ike got in because he was the main character in a game. I admit, some of it is based on popularity, but not the whole of it. That's all Lucario has, because of the movie. The toys and whatnot are results of the movie. It doesn't frigging matter WHO had him as the team, the rank doesn't mean crap all. Significance for Lucario = God dividing by zero.

Significance for Ike = High.

Also, Marth has HUGE significance. In two games to date, started the series, could say three games due to the two stories in FE3, and he's in FE11 for the DS. Roy was an advertisement, so if he's back, cool. If not, we need a replacement. Ike takes that by having counter, and a copy of Roy's B move. Only difference is the animation. Fully charged is usually an OHKO, and you take 10% damage.

Lucas... I still don't know why he's in. You have NO idea how much I complained about him.

hmm, alot of those seem to be characters you dont like, well, you see, this shows something, ITS SAKURAIS DECISION NOT OURS, he wants Lucario in, he'll be in, he doesnt want him in, pokeball.

That's where you're wrong.

I'm a HUGE Fire Emblem fan and love everything about Ike, Marth and Roy. I'm sad that Roy will probably be leaving, glad Ike's in, and will be REALLY angry if Marth's out. Makes no sense, Falchion (Marth's sword) is still the FE Icon.

Pikachu I like, despite my deep hatred for Pokemon, same for Mewtwo. Jiggles I have no opinion on, and CAN'T have an opinion on Lucas. I've never played any of the Earthbound games.

I just REALLY don't like Lucario, but not because it's Pokemon. Because of all it's fans. He's just another Pokemon, he shouldn't have as many fans as he does. Frig, Eevee deserves more fans.

Quote from: Zanryu on November 03, 2007, 03:32:19 PM

Quote from: Avion-Finch on November 03, 2007, 02:18:58 PM

Quote from: Zanryu on November 03, 2007, 02:15:47 PM
Mewtwo: Big character.

Pikachu: Also a main character.

Jiggles: I don't get it, but she was a good asset. I complained about her, too.

Ike got in because he was the main character in a game. I admit, some of it is based on popularity, but not the whole of it. That's all Lucario has, because of the movie. The toys and whatnot are results of the movie. It doesn't frigging matter WHO had him as the team, the rank doesn't mean crap all. Significance for Lucario = God dividing by zero.

Significance for Ike = High.

Also, Marth has HUGE significance. In two games to date, started the series, could say three games due to the two stories in FE3, and he's in FE11 for the DS. Roy was an advertisement, so if he's back, cool. If not, we need a replacement. Ike takes that by having counter, and a copy of Roy's B move. Only difference is the animation. Fully charged is usually an OHKO, and you take 10% damage.

Lucas... I still don't know why he's in. You have NO idea how much I complained about him.

hmm, alot of those seem to be characters you dont like, well, you see, this shows something, ITS SAKURAIS DECISION NOT OURS, he wants Lucario in, he'll be in, he doesnt want him in, pokeball.

That's where you're wrong.

I'm a HUGE Fire Emblem fan and love everything about Ike, Marth and Roy. I'm sad that Roy will probably be leaving, glad Ike's in, and will be REALLY angry if Marth's out. Makes no sense, Falchion (Marth's sword) is still the FE Icon.

Pikachu I like, despite my deep hatred for Pokemon, same for Mewtwo. Jiggles I have no opinion on, and CAN'T have an opinion on Lucas. I've never played any of the Earthbound games.

I just REALLY don't like Lucario, but not because it's Pokemon. Because of all it's fans. He's just another Pokemon, he shouldn't have as many fans as he does. Frig, Eevee deserves more fans.

Actually I was refering to Lucas, but anyway, I see you plain just dont like Lucario, I get that.

Because you didn't give me the choice to say "he's okay but unlikely"

I said he should replace Pichu  :)

I don't really care, and I might use him.

Gosh replace Pichu

Lucario, at this point, is probably the most likely new Pokemon rep. Other sugestions, like Gardevoir and Blaziken, are extremely improbable. Lucario has importance in the anime, which with the Pokmon series, is really the closest you can get to significance, since most Pokemon are common. Three would not be enough to represent Pokemon in Brawl. It's second only to Mario. Someone said there should not be 7 Pokemon reps if there are only 3/4 reps for the other series. No one is suggesting that there should be that many.

Mario already has Mario, Bowser, and Peach confirmed, with others on the way. With the Zelda series, there are only a couple of characters who really have a chance:Zelda, Link, and Ganondorf. There might be more, like Wind Waker Link or Vaati, but realistically, Vaati is a minor recurring villain and WW Link has a semi-decent chance.

Lucario could be given a decent moveset consisting of the many moves it has in the game. It would be slightly faster than Mario with average weight. Lucario could have just as much chance to be in Brawl as Ridley or one of the other characters that you hope for so dearly. But in the end, it is up to one Masahiro Sakurai.

I agree with you Triforce_Luigi.

Quote from: Triforce_Luigi on November 03, 2007, 07:58:30 PM
Lucario, at this point, is probably the most likely new Pokemon rep. Other sugestions, like Gardevoir and Blaziken, are extremely improbable. Lucario has importance in the anime, which with the Pokmon series, is really the closest you can get to significance, since most Pokemon are common. Three would not be enough to represent Pokemon in Brawl. It's second only to Mario. Someone said there should not be 7 Pokemon reps if there are only 3/4 reps for the other series. No one is suggesting that there should be that many.

Mario already has Mario, Bowser, and Peach confirmed, with others on the way. With the Zelda series, there are only a couple of characters who really have a chance:Zelda, Link, and Ganondorf. There might be more, like Wind Waker Link or Vaati, but realistically, Vaati is a minor recurring villain and WW Link has a semi-decent chance.

Lucario could be given a decent moveset consisting of the many moves it has in the game. It would be slightly faster than Mario with average weight. Lucario could have just as much chance to be in Brawl as Ridley or one of the other characters that you hope for so dearly. But in the end, it is up to one Masahiro Sakurai.

Going by their logic, there'll be tons of Pokemon making it in. You don't have to say something, logic used can be pondered upon to bring up faults in it, making it faulty logic.

I honestly don't care who makes it in, as long as Lucario doesn't. He doesn't deserve the spot, and there's enough Pokemon. Just because it's a big seller doesn't mean that you have to add progressively crappier and crappier Pokemon to every Smash Bros game. The only reason it's such a hit is because the people with less than half a brain buy EVERY Pokemon game, when they're essentially the same darn game with insignificant differences, such as 10 Pokemon at the most, and maybe a minor alteration to gym leaders or something like that, or encounter zones. That's it. Clever ploy. If not for the other versions, the profits would drop horrendously.

Quote from: Zanryu on November 04, 2007, 12:02:06 AM

Quote from: Triforce_Luigi on November 03, 2007, 07:58:30 PM
Lucario, at this point, is probably the most likely new Pokemon rep. Other sugestions, like Gardevoir and Blaziken, are extremely improbable. Lucario has importance in the anime, which with the Pokmon series, is really the closest you can get to significance, since most Pokemon are common. Three would not be enough to represent Pokemon in Brawl. It's second only to Mario. Someone said there should not be 7 Pokemon reps if there are only 3/4 reps for the other series. No one is suggesting that there should be that many.

Mario already has Mario, Bowser, and Peach confirmed, with others on the way. With the Zelda series, there are only a couple of characters who really have a chance:Zelda, Link, and Ganondorf. There might be more, like Wind Waker Link or Vaati, but realistically, Vaati is a minor recurring villain and WW Link has a semi-decent chance.

Lucario could be given a decent moveset consisting of the many moves it has in the game. It would be slightly faster than Mario with average weight. Lucario could have just as much chance to be in Brawl as Ridley or one of the other characters that you hope for so dearly. But in the end, it is up to one Masahiro Sakurai.

Going by their logic, there'll be tons of Pokemon making it in. You don't have to say something, logic used can be pondered upon to bring up faults in it, making it faulty logic.

I honestly don't care who makes it in, as long as Lucario doesn't. He doesn't deserve the spot, and there's enough Pokemon. Just because it's a big seller doesn't mean that you have to add progressively crappier and crappier Pokemon to every Smash Bros game. The only reason it's such a hit is because the people with less than half a brain buy EVERY Pokemon game, when they're essentially the same dang game with insignificant differences, such as 10 Pokemon at the most, and maybe a minor alteration to gym leaders or something like that, or encounter zones. That's it. Clever ploy. If not for the other versions, the profits would drop horrendously.

You're falling out of logic and into opinion. -_-
And your second sentence in paragraph 1 tore a hole in your arguments as well.

For Christ's sake (sorry to anyone taking that the wrong way), just give it up. If it'll make you shut up...

Lucrappyoario was in a movie that kicked major ass! He better be in Brawl, or I'll be a sad panda. His moves will pwn too, he'll be totally bad ass! Lucario ftw!

Quote from: Zanryu on November 04, 2007, 12:21:25 AM
For Christ's sake (sorry to anyone taking that the wrong way), just give it up. If it'll make you shut up...

Lucrappyoario was in a movie that kicked major ass! He better be in Brawl, or I'll be a sad panda. His moves will pwn too, he'll be totally bad ass! Lucario ftw!

=3

Quote from: Nils_13 on November 04, 2007, 12:23:47 AM

Quote from: Zanryu on November 04, 2007, 12:21:25 AM
For Christ's sake (sorry to anyone taking that the wrong way), just give it up. If it'll make you shut up...

Lucrappyoario was in a movie that kicked major ass! He better be in Brawl, or I'll be a sad panda. His moves will pwn too, he'll be totally bad ass! Lucario ftw!

=3

New to sarcasm, I see.

Quote from: Dei Enyt on November 04, 2007, 12:26:08 AM

Quote from: Nils_13 on November 04, 2007, 12:23:47 AM

Quote from: Zanryu on November 04, 2007, 12:21:25 AM
For Christ's sake (sorry to anyone taking that the wrong way), just give it up. If it'll make you shut up...

Lucrappyoario was in a movie that kicked major ass! He better be in Brawl, or I'll be a sad panda. His moves will pwn too, he'll be totally bad ass! Lucario ftw!

=3

New to sarcasm, I see.

<3  ;)

Quote from: Dei Enyt on November 04, 2007, 12:26:08 AM

Quote from: Nils_13 on November 04, 2007, 12:23:47 AM

Quote from: Zanryu on November 04, 2007, 12:21:25 AM
For Christ's sake (sorry to anyone taking that the wrong way), just give it up. If it'll make you shut up...

Lucrappyoario was in a movie that kicked major ass! He better be in Brawl, or I'll be a sad panda. His moves will pwn too, he'll be totally bad ass! Lucario ftw!

=3

New to sarcasm, I see.

Not quite.