Beating my Bro.

[GrimTuesday]

I just can't beat my bro. at Melee no matter how hard I try!

My Main(s): Ice Climbers, Ness
His Main: Ness
Stage(s): Corneria, Temple
Items: Off

He usually beats me with 5 stock left (we generally play 15 stock matches). Neither of us Wavedash or use other advanced techniques but I do use De-Synching with Ice Climbers.

Can anyone give me any tips?

[Neerb]

I just can't beat my bro. at Melee no matter how hard I try!

My Main(s): Ice Climbers, Ness
His Main: Ness
Stage(s): Corneria, Temple
Items: Off

He usually beats me with 5 stock left (we generally play 15 stock matches). Neither of us Wavedash or use other advanced techniques but I do use De-Synching with Ice Climbers.

Can anyone give me any tips?

I have a good tip: practice with a different character!  Ness is really good, but he's like Jigglypuff:  you either suck with them or murder with them, and I highly doubt you're at the murdering level.

You could also train against level 9 teams of whatever you're bro uses.

Although, at the end of the day, maybe your brother's just better than you!

[Water ☮]

I say you experiment with other characters or practice against other human players.

[Dawei]

You remind me of a friend of mine. He uses the exact same characters, and while he doesn't lose to his brother (as he doesn't have one) he always loses to Chody and I.

Since you use those two characters, you HAVE to learn 2 advanced techniques. For Ice climbers, wavedashing, and for Ness, DJC. If you want to be good with them at all, those aren't an option. Also, I recommend using ICs more. They are better than Ness. Since you already know de-syncing, you should learn to Wobble as well. It's an infinite combo. You grab with popo, de-sync, and then jab with Popo, and f-tilt with Nana. Just go back and forth.

Second, lower the amount of stocks. It'll keep your matches short and fresh, as well as help you decide who is better. With 15 stocks, you have to wait much longer to change character. I recommend 4-stock (and 8-minute time limit).

Next, choose some better stages, ones that rely on skill more so. Corneria is fine, though don't live on it. Try Yoshi's Story (the one with Randall the cloud on it. Not sure if that is Yoshi's Island, I can never remember), Dream Land 64, FD, and Pokemon stadium. If you are playing on temple, the only thing you are proving is who can run away longer/tech better. But, if he is the one who chooses Temple and not you, tell him that person with the least amount of damage if stocks are tied wins, and choose fox. Laser him, and then run like a vagina-y.

Finally, don't practice on level 9s, go with 8s. 8s are better for training against humans. You can work on a bit of tech skill with 9s, but because of their reflexes it can scare you away from doing something that works on humans. 1s, 5s, and 8s are the levels you should play against most.

[Michael227]

You remind me of a friend of mine. He uses the exact same characters, and while he doesn't lose to his brother (as he doesn't have one) he always loses to Chody and I.

Since you use those two characters, you HAVE to learn 2 advanced techniques. For Ice climbers, wavedashing, and for Ness, DJC. If you want to be good with them at all, those aren't an option. Also, I recommend using ICs more. They are better than Ness.

Second, lower the amount of stocks. It'll keep your matches short and fresh, as well as help you decide who is better. With 15 stocks, you have to wait much longer to change character. I recommend 4-stock (and 8-minute time limit).

Next, choose some better stages, ones that rely on skill more so. Corneria is fine, though don't live on it. Try Yoshi's Story (the one with Randall the cloud on it. Not sure if that is Yoshi's Island, I can never remember), Dream Land 64, FD, and Pokemon stadium. If you are playing on temple, the only thing you are proving is who can run away longer/tech better. But, if he is the one who chooses Temple and not you, tell him that person with the least amount of damage if stocks are tied wins, and choose fox. Laser him, and then run like a p***y.

Finally, don't practice on level 9s, go with 8s. 8s are better for training against humans. You can work on a bit of tech skill with 9s, but because of their reflexes it can scare you away from doing something that works on humans. 1s, 5s, and 8s are the levels you should play against most.

level 1s don't seem to help at all they attack usually 1 once per 2 seconds thats slow

[Dawei]

You remind me of a friend of mine. He uses the exact same characters, and while he doesn't lose to his brother (as he doesn't have one) he always loses to Chody and I.

Since you use those two characters, you HAVE to learn 2 advanced techniques. For Ice climbers, wavedashing, and for Ness, DJC. If you want to be good with them at all, those aren't an option. Also, I recommend using ICs more. They are better than Ness.

Second, lower the amount of stocks. It'll keep your matches short and fresh, as well as help you decide who is better. With 15 stocks, you have to wait much longer to change character. I recommend 4-stock (and 8-minute time limit).

Next, choose some better stages, ones that rely on skill more so. Corneria is fine, though don't live on it. Try Yoshi's Story (the one with Randall the cloud on it. Not sure if that is Yoshi's Island, I can never remember), Dream Land 64, FD, and Pokemon stadium. If you are playing on temple, the only thing you are proving is who can run away longer/tech better. But, if he is the one who chooses Temple and not you, tell him that person with the least amount of damage if stocks are tied wins, and choose fox. Laser him, and then run like a p***y.

Finally, don't practice on level 9s, go with 8s. 8s are better for training against humans. You can work on a bit of tech skill with 9s, but because of their reflexes it can scare you away from doing something that works on humans. 1s, 5s, and 8s are the levels you should play against most.

level 1s don't seem to help at all they attack usually 1 once per 2 seconds thats slow

Level 1s are for practicing techs and combos. It is a lot better to learn to L-cancel all your moves at first when you don't have to worry about getting punted by an f-smash when you miss it. Plus, they have much better DI than level 6-9.

[GrimTuesday]

You remind me of a friend of mine. He uses the exact same characters, and while he doesn't lose to his brother (as he doesn't have one) he always loses to Chody and I.

Since you use those two characters, you HAVE to learn 2 advanced techniques. For Ice climbers, wavedashing, and for Ness, DJC. If you want to be good with them at all, those aren't an option. Also, I recommend using ICs more. They are better than Ness.

Second, lower the amount of stocks. It'll keep your matches short and fresh, as well as help you decide who is better. With 15 stocks, you have to wait much longer to change character. I recommend 4-stock (and 8-minute time limit).

Next, choose some better stages, ones that rely on skill more so. Corneria is fine, though don't live on it. Try Yoshi's Story (the one with Randall the cloud on it. Not sure if that is Yoshi's Island, I can never remember), Dream Land 64, FD, and Pokemon stadium. If you are playing on temple, the only thing you are proving is who can run away longer/tech better. But, if he is the one who chooses Temple and not you, tell him that person with the least amount of damage if stocks are tied wins, and choose fox. Laser him, and then run like a p***y.

Finally, don't practice on level 9s, go with 8s. 8s are better for training against humans. You can work on a bit of tech skill with 9s, but because of their reflexes it can scare you away from doing something that works on humans. 1s, 5s, and 8s are the levels you should play against most.

level 1s don't seem to help at all they attack usually 1 once per 2 seconds thats slow

Level 1s are for practicing techs and combos. It is a lot better to learn to L-cancel all your moves at first when you don't have to worry about getting punted by an f-smash when you miss it. Plus, they have much better DI than level 6-9.

Okay. I can Wavedash but I can never seem to do it when I'm in a proper battle, I will practise more.
I will practice DJC (Double Jump Cancel right?) as well.
Ice Climbers are my best characters and I use them more than Ness.
Why 4 stock? Why not 5?
Unfortunately I haven't unlocked FD yet because my brothers memory card keeps becoming corrupted forcing us to delete our data, but this time it is on my Memory Card so it is safe.
I normally play against Lv. 8s but I never thought of practising techs on Lv. 1s.
We don't normally chase each other on Temple, we just like it because we have enough space to attack from distances and stuff.

Thanks for the tips!

[Michael227]

You remind me of a friend of mine. He uses the exact same characters, and while he doesn't lose to his brother (as he doesn't have one) he always loses to Chody and I.

Since you use those two characters, you HAVE to learn 2 advanced techniques. For Ice climbers, wavedashing, and for Ness, DJC. If you want to be good with them at all, those aren't an option. Also, I recommend using ICs more. They are better than Ness.

Second, lower the amount of stocks. It'll keep your matches short and fresh, as well as help you decide who is better. With 15 stocks, you have to wait much longer to change character. I recommend 4-stock (and 8-minute time limit).

Next, choose some better stages, ones that rely on skill more so. Corneria is fine, though don't live on it. Try Yoshi's Story (the one with Randall the cloud on it. Not sure if that is Yoshi's Island, I can never remember), Dream Land 64, FD, and Pokemon stadium. If you are playing on temple, the only thing you are proving is who can run away longer/tech better. But, if he is the one who chooses Temple and not you, tell him that person with the least amount of damage if stocks are tied wins, and choose fox. Laser him, and then run like a p***y.

Finally, don't practice on level 9s, go with 8s. 8s are better for training against humans. You can work on a bit of tech skill with 9s, but because of their reflexes it can scare you away from doing something that works on humans. 1s, 5s, and 8s are the levels you should play against most.

level 1s don't seem to help at all they attack usually 1 once per 2 seconds thats slow

Level 1s are for practicing techs and combos. It is a lot better to learn to L-cancel all your moves at first when you don't have to worry about getting punted by an f-smash when you miss it. Plus, they have much better DI than level 6-9.

Okay. I can Wavedash but I can never seem to do it when I'm in a proper battle, I will practise more.
I will practice DJC (Double Jump Cancel right?) as well.
Ice Climbers are my best characters and I use them more than Ness.
Why 4 stock? Why not 5?
Unfortunately I haven't unlocked FD yet because my brothers memory card keeps becoming corrupted forcing us to delete our data, but this time it is on my Memory Card so it is safe.
I normally play against Lv. 8s but I never thought of practising techs on Lv. 1s.
We don't normally chase each other on Temple, we just like it because we have enough space to attack from distances and stuff.

Thanks for the tips!

i can wavedash too but in actual matches with friends i prefer not to use it cause sometimes i screw upad level ones mean that it will be easyer to combo than human players

[Eizweir]

Try something new, maybe he's beating you because he knows how you play to well.

[tollhouse2006]

Like everybody else said you should try something new like heavy damage combos.  I discovered a two move combo with Peach today that can cause 70 damage.  Try to come up with stuff like that and work on shielding, roll dodging and all that stuff.  Me and my friends use the roll dodging and shield alot so it makes the battle more exciting and it lasts longer.  I train 5 stock on Hyrule for the most part.  Hyrule is  the perfect place to train.  FD is boring, but Hyrule allows you to use your aerials more often because of all the high places to jump and it's wide open space so you'll need to cause tons of damage to KO somebody.   FD is too easy to KO somebody so I recommend Hyrule.  You may not want to do all the training at Hyrule because you'll be too used to the open space so playing at a small stage might feel uncomfortable.    FD is too easy to KO somebody so I recommend Hyrule.   Let me know if it works for you. 

[Dawei]

You remind me of a friend of mine. He uses the exact same characters, and while he doesn't lose to his brother (as he doesn't have one) he always loses to Chody and I.

Since you use those two characters, you HAVE to learn 2 advanced techniques. For Ice climbers, wavedashing, and for Ness, DJC. If you want to be good with them at all, those aren't an option. Also, I recommend using ICs more. They are better than Ness.

Second, lower the amount of stocks. It'll keep your matches short and fresh, as well as help you decide who is better. With 15 stocks, you have to wait much longer to change character. I recommend 4-stock (and 8-minute time limit).

Next, choose some better stages, ones that rely on skill more so. Corneria is fine, though don't live on it. Try Yoshi's Story (the one with Randall the cloud on it. Not sure if that is Yoshi's Island, I can never remember), Dream Land 64, FD, and Pokemon stadium. If you are playing on temple, the only thing you are proving is who can run away longer/tech better. But, if he is the one who chooses Temple and not you, tell him that person with the least amount of damage if stocks are tied wins, and choose fox. Laser him, and then run like a p***y.

Finally, don't practice on level 9s, go with 8s. 8s are better for training against humans. You can work on a bit of tech skill with 9s, but because of their reflexes it can scare you away from doing something that works on humans. 1s, 5s, and 8s are the levels you should play against most.

level 1s don't seem to help at all they attack usually 1 once per 2 seconds thats slow

Level 1s are for practicing techs and combos. It is a lot better to learn to L-cancel all your moves at first when you don't have to worry about getting punted by an f-smash when you miss it. Plus, they have much better DI than level 6-9.

Okay. I can Wavedash but I can never seem to do it when I'm in a proper battle, I will practise more.
I will practice DJC (Double Jump Cancel right?) as well.
Ice Climbers are my best characters and I use them more than Ness.
Why 4 stock? Why not 5?
Unfortunately I haven't unlocked FD yet because my brothers memory card keeps becoming corrupted forcing us to delete our data, but this time it is on my Memory Card so it is safe.
I normally play against Lv. 8s but I never thought of practising techs on Lv. 1s.
We don't normally chase each other on Temple, we just like it because we have enough space to attack from distances and stuff.

Thanks for the tips!

I said 4-stock because of how it keeps the matches short, but long enough for you to do your best. That and it is what professionals play with. :P

Wavedashing is so important with ICs. You can get across FD almost as fast as Fox if you wavedash with them.


Tollhouse, don't tell him to practice Roll Dodging. It's a bad habit. It leaves you severely open. One needs to learn to replace Rolling with Wavedashing. Not 100%, but for the most part.
Also, Hyrule is a bad place to train. The only good thing to train for at Hyrule is teching. The fact that you can easily live to 200+ % is horrible for training. FD keeps the fight nice and clean, and you can't vagina-y foot around the stage like Hyrule.

Also, like you said, Hyrule is intercourse ing huge. Every other stage fails in comparison to it. The overall layout is just bad. Grim, try to keep AWAY from Hyrule, unless you want all your battles to based on your ability to tech, and not being the better overall player.

[thunderhero4]

You remind me of a friend of mine. He uses the exact same characters, and while he doesn't lose to his brother (as he doesn't have one) he always loses to Chody and I.

Since you use those two characters, you HAVE to learn 2 advanced techniques. For Ice climbers, wavedashing, and for Ness, DJC. If you want to be good with them at all, those aren't an option. Also, I recommend using ICs more. They are better than Ness.

Second, lower the amount of stocks. It'll keep your matches short and fresh, as well as help you decide who is better. With 15 stocks, you have to wait much longer to change character. I recommend 4-stock (and 8-minute time limit).

Next, choose some better stages, ones that rely on skill more so. Corneria is fine, though don't live on it. Try Yoshi's Story (the one with Randall the cloud on it. Not sure if that is Yoshi's Island, I can never remember), Dream Land 64, FD, and Pokemon stadium. If you are playing on temple, the only thing you are proving is who can run away longer/tech better. But, if he is the one who chooses Temple and not you, tell him that person with the least amount of damage if stocks are tied wins, and choose fox. Laser him, and then run like a p***y.

Finally, don't practice on level 9s, go with 8s. 8s are better for training against humans. You can work on a bit of tech skill with 9s, but because of their reflexes it can scare you away from doing something that works on humans. 1s, 5s, and 8s are the levels you should play against most.

level 1s don't seem to help at all they attack usually 1 once per 2 seconds thats slow

Level 1s are for practicing techs and combos. It is a lot better to learn to L-cancel all your moves at first when you don't have to worry about getting punted by an f-smash when you miss it. Plus, they have much better DI than level 6-9.

Okay. I can Wavedash but I can never seem to do it when I'm in a proper battle, I will practise more.
I will practice DJC (Double Jump Cancel right?) as well.
Ice Climbers are my best characters and I use them more than Ness.
Why 4 stock? Why not 5?
Unfortunately I haven't unlocked FD yet because my brothers memory card keeps becoming corrupted forcing us to delete our data, but this time it is on my Memory Card so it is safe.
I normally play against Lv. 8s but I never thought of practising techs on Lv. 1s.
We don't normally chase each other on Temple, we just like it because we have enough space to attack from distances and stuff.

Thanks for the tips!

I said 4-stock because of how it keeps the matches short, but long enough for you to do your best. That and it is what professionals play with. :P

Wavedashing is so important with ICs. You can get across FD almost as fast as Fox if you wavedash with them.


Tollhouse, don't tell him to practice Roll Dodging. It's a bad habit. It leaves you severely open. One needs to learn to replace Rolling with Wavedashing. Not 100%, but for the most part.
Also, Hyrule is a bad place to train. The only good thing to train for at Hyrule is teching. The fact that you can easily live to 200+ % is horrible for training. FD keeps the fight nice and clean, and you can't vagina-y foot around the stage like Hyrule.

Also, like you said, Hyrule is intercourse ing huge. Every other stage fails in comparison to it. The overall layout is just bad. Grim, try to keep AWAY from Hyrule, unless you want all your battles to based on your ability to tech, and not being the better overall player.

You ever watch MLG on G4, Dave?

[Dawei]

You remind me of a friend of mine. He uses the exact same characters, and while he doesn't lose to his brother (as he doesn't have one) he always loses to Chody and I.

Since you use those two characters, you HAVE to learn 2 advanced techniques. For Ice climbers, wavedashing, and for Ness, DJC. If you want to be good with them at all, those aren't an option. Also, I recommend using ICs more. They are better than Ness.

Second, lower the amount of stocks. It'll keep your matches short and fresh, as well as help you decide who is better. With 15 stocks, you have to wait much longer to change character. I recommend 4-stock (and 8-minute time limit).

Next, choose some better stages, ones that rely on skill more so. Corneria is fine, though don't live on it. Try Yoshi's Story (the one with Randall the cloud on it. Not sure if that is Yoshi's Island, I can never remember), Dream Land 64, FD, and Pokemon stadium. If you are playing on temple, the only thing you are proving is who can run away longer/tech better. But, if he is the one who chooses Temple and not you, tell him that person with the least amount of damage if stocks are tied wins, and choose fox. Laser him, and then run like a p***y.

Finally, don't practice on level 9s, go with 8s. 8s are better for training against humans. You can work on a bit of tech skill with 9s, but because of their reflexes it can scare you away from doing something that works on humans. 1s, 5s, and 8s are the levels you should play against most.

level 1s don't seem to help at all they attack usually 1 once per 2 seconds thats slow

Level 1s are for practicing techs and combos. It is a lot better to learn to L-cancel all your moves at first when you don't have to worry about getting punted by an f-smash when you miss it. Plus, they have much better DI than level 6-9.

Okay. I can Wavedash but I can never seem to do it when I'm in a proper battle, I will practise more.
I will practice DJC (Double Jump Cancel right?) as well.
Ice Climbers are my best characters and I use them more than Ness.
Why 4 stock? Why not 5?
Unfortunately I haven't unlocked FD yet because my brothers memory card keeps becoming corrupted forcing us to delete our data, but this time it is on my Memory Card so it is safe.
I normally play against Lv. 8s but I never thought of practising techs on Lv. 1s.
We don't normally chase each other on Temple, we just like it because we have enough space to attack from distances and stuff.

Thanks for the tips!

I said 4-stock because of how it keeps the matches short, but long enough for you to do your best. That and it is what professionals play with. :P

Wavedashing is so important with ICs. You can get across FD almost as fast as Fox if you wavedash with them.


Tollhouse, don't tell him to practice Roll Dodging. It's a bad habit. It leaves you severely open. One needs to learn to replace Rolling with Wavedashing. Not 100%, but for the most part.
Also, Hyrule is a bad place to train. The only good thing to train for at Hyrule is teching. The fact that you can easily live to 200+ % is horrible for training. FD keeps the fight nice and clean, and you can't vagina-y foot around the stage like Hyrule.

Also, like you said, Hyrule is intercourse ing huge. Every other stage fails in comparison to it. The overall layout is just bad. Grim, try to keep AWAY from Hyrule, unless you want all your battles to based on your ability to tech, and not being the better overall player.

You ever watch MLG on G4, Dave?

I don't like G4, though I have watched some MLG videos on youtube.

[thunderhero4]

You remind me of a friend of mine. He uses the exact same characters, and while he doesn't lose to his brother (as he doesn't have one) he always loses to Chody and I.

Since you use those two characters, you HAVE to learn 2 advanced techniques. For Ice climbers, wavedashing, and for Ness, DJC. If you want to be good with them at all, those aren't an option. Also, I recommend using ICs more. They are better than Ness.

Second, lower the amount of stocks. It'll keep your matches short and fresh, as well as help you decide who is better. With 15 stocks, you have to wait much longer to change character. I recommend 4-stock (and 8-minute time limit).

Next, choose some better stages, ones that rely on skill more so. Corneria is fine, though don't live on it. Try Yoshi's Story (the one with Randall the cloud on it. Not sure if that is Yoshi's Island, I can never remember), Dream Land 64, FD, and Pokemon stadium. If you are playing on temple, the only thing you are proving is who can run away longer/tech better. But, if he is the one who chooses Temple and not you, tell him that person with the least amount of damage if stocks are tied wins, and choose fox. Laser him, and then run like a p***y.

Finally, don't practice on level 9s, go with 8s. 8s are better for training against humans. You can work on a bit of tech skill with 9s, but because of their reflexes it can scare you away from doing something that works on humans. 1s, 5s, and 8s are the levels you should play against most.

level 1s don't seem to help at all they attack usually 1 once per 2 seconds thats slow

Level 1s are for practicing techs and combos. It is a lot better to learn to L-cancel all your moves at first when you don't have to worry about getting punted by an f-smash when you miss it. Plus, they have much better DI than level 6-9.

Okay. I can Wavedash but I can never seem to do it when I'm in a proper battle, I will practise more.
I will practice DJC (Double Jump Cancel right?) as well.
Ice Climbers are my best characters and I use them more than Ness.
Why 4 stock? Why not 5?
Unfortunately I haven't unlocked FD yet because my brothers memory card keeps becoming corrupted forcing us to delete our data, but this time it is on my Memory Card so it is safe.
I normally play against Lv. 8s but I never thought of practising techs on Lv. 1s.
We don't normally chase each other on Temple, we just like it because we have enough space to attack from distances and stuff.

Thanks for the tips!

I said 4-stock because of how it keeps the matches short, but long enough for you to do your best. That and it is what professionals play with. :P

Wavedashing is so important with ICs. You can get across FD almost as fast as Fox if you wavedash with them.


Tollhouse, don't tell him to practice Roll Dodging. It's a bad habit. It leaves you severely open. One needs to learn to replace Rolling with Wavedashing. Not 100%, but for the most part.
Also, Hyrule is a bad place to train. The only good thing to train for at Hyrule is teching. The fact that you can easily live to 200+ % is horrible for training. FD keeps the fight nice and clean, and you can't vagina-y foot around the stage like Hyrule.

Also, like you said, Hyrule is intercourse ing huge. Every other stage fails in comparison to it. The overall layout is just bad. Grim, try to keep AWAY from Hyrule, unless you want all your battles to based on your ability to tech, and not being the better overall player.

You ever watch MLG on G4, Dave?

I don't like G4, though I have watched some MLG videos on youtube.

Ok then, do you agree that the SSBM pros are using techniques you talk about all the time?

[tollhouse2006]

You remind me of a friend of mine. He uses the exact same characters, and while he doesn't lose to his brother (as he doesn't have one) he always loses to Chody and I.

Since you use those two characters, you HAVE to learn 2 advanced techniques. For Ice climbers, wavedashing, and for Ness, DJC. If you want to be good with them at all, those aren't an option. Also, I recommend using ICs more. They are better than Ness.

Second, lower the amount of stocks. It'll keep your matches short and fresh, as well as help you decide who is better. With 15 stocks, you have to wait much longer to change character. I recommend 4-stock (and 8-minute time limit).

Next, choose some better stages, ones that rely on skill more so. Corneria is fine, though don't live on it. Try Yoshi's Story (the one with Randall the cloud on it. Not sure if that is Yoshi's Island, I can never remember), Dream Land 64, FD, and Pokemon stadium. If you are playing on temple, the only thing you are proving is who can run away longer/tech better. But, if he is the one who chooses Temple and not you, tell him that person with the least amount of damage if stocks are tied wins, and choose fox. Laser him, and then run like a p***y.

Finally, don't practice on level 9s, go with 8s. 8s are better for training against humans. You can work on a bit of tech skill with 9s, but because of their reflexes it can scare you away from doing something that works on humans. 1s, 5s, and 8s are the levels you should play against most.

level 1s don't seem to help at all they attack usually 1 once per 2 seconds thats slow

Level 1s are for practicing techs and combos. It is a lot better to learn to L-cancel all your moves at first when you don't have to worry about getting punted by an f-smash when you miss it. Plus, they have much better DI than level 6-9.

Okay. I can Wavedash but I can never seem to do it when I'm in a proper battle, I will practise more.
I will practice DJC (Double Jump Cancel right?) as well.
Ice Climbers are my best characters and I use them more than Ness.
Why 4 stock? Why not 5?
Unfortunately I haven't unlocked FD yet because my brothers memory card keeps becoming corrupted forcing us to delete our data, but this time it is on my Memory Card so it is safe.
I normally play against Lv. 8s but I never thought of practising techs on Lv. 1s.
We don't normally chase each other on Temple, we just like it because we have enough space to attack from distances and stuff.

Thanks for the tips!

I said 4-stock because of how it keeps the matches short, but long enough for you to do your best. That and it is what professionals play with. :P

Wavedashing is so important with ICs. You can get across FD almost as fast as Fox if you wavedash with them.


Tollhouse, don't tell him to practice Roll Dodging. It's a bad habit. It leaves you severely open. One needs to learn to replace Rolling with Wavedashing. Not 100%, but for the most part.
Also, Hyrule is a bad place to train. The only good thing to train for at Hyrule is teching. The fact that you can easily live to 200+ % is horrible for training. FD keeps the fight nice and clean, and you can't vagina-y foot around the stage like Hyrule.

Also, like you said, Hyrule is intercourse ing huge. Every other stage fails in comparison to it. The overall layout is just bad. Grim, try to keep AWAY from Hyrule, unless you want all your battles to based on your ability to tech, and not being the better overall player.

You ever watch MLG on G4, Dave?

I don't like G4, though I have watched some MLG videos on youtube.

A difference in opinion I suppose.  I question why you suggest GrimTuesday to practice more advanced techniques before moves that Sakurai wants us to play with.  He doesn't have to be a pro to beat his brother and it doesn't take advanced moves to make a good smasher either.  But, I respect your opinion anyway.