Beating my Bro.

[Dawei]

You remind me of a friend of mine. He uses the exact same characters, and while he doesn't lose to his brother (as he doesn't have one) he always loses to Chody and I.

Since you use those two characters, you HAVE to learn 2 advanced techniques. For Ice climbers, wavedashing, and for Ness, DJC. If you want to be good with them at all, those aren't an option. Also, I recommend using ICs more. They are better than Ness.

Second, lower the amount of stocks. It'll keep your matches short and fresh, as well as help you decide who is better. With 15 stocks, you have to wait much longer to change character. I recommend 4-stock (and 8-minute time limit).

Next, choose some better stages, ones that rely on skill more so. Corneria is fine, though don't live on it. Try Yoshi's Story (the one with Randall the cloud on it. Not sure if that is Yoshi's Island, I can never remember), Dream Land 64, FD, and Pokemon stadium. If you are playing on temple, the only thing you are proving is who can run away longer/tech better. But, if he is the one who chooses Temple and not you, tell him that person with the least amount of damage if stocks are tied wins, and choose fox. Laser him, and then run like a p***y.

Finally, don't practice on level 9s, go with 8s. 8s are better for training against humans. You can work on a bit of tech skill with 9s, but because of their reflexes it can scare you away from doing something that works on humans. 1s, 5s, and 8s are the levels you should play against most.

level 1s don't seem to help at all they attack usually 1 once per 2 seconds thats slow

Level 1s are for practicing techs and combos. It is a lot better to learn to L-cancel all your moves at first when you don't have to worry about getting punted by an f-smash when you miss it. Plus, they have much better DI than level 6-9.

Okay. I can Wavedash but I can never seem to do it when I'm in a proper battle, I will practise more.
I will practice DJC (Double Jump Cancel right?) as well.
Ice Climbers are my best characters and I use them more than Ness.
Why 4 stock? Why not 5?
Unfortunately I haven't unlocked FD yet because my brothers memory card keeps becoming corrupted forcing us to delete our data, but this time it is on my Memory Card so it is safe.
I normally play against Lv. 8s but I never thought of practising techs on Lv. 1s.
We don't normally chase each other on Temple, we just like it because we have enough space to attack from distances and stuff.

Thanks for the tips!

I said 4-stock because of how it keeps the matches short, but long enough for you to do your best. That and it is what professionals play with. :P

Wavedashing is so important with ICs. You can get across FD almost as fast as Fox if you wavedash with them.


Tollhouse, don't tell him to practice Roll Dodging. It's a bad habit. It leaves you severely open. One needs to learn to replace Rolling with Wavedashing. Not 100%, but for the most part.
Also, Hyrule is a bad place to train. The only good thing to train for at Hyrule is teching. The fact that you can easily live to 200+ % is horrible for training. FD keeps the fight nice and clean, and you can't vagina-y foot around the stage like Hyrule.

Also, like you said, Hyrule is intercourse ing huge. Every other stage fails in comparison to it. The overall layout is just bad. Grim, try to keep AWAY from Hyrule, unless you want all your battles to based on your ability to tech, and not being the better overall player.

You ever watch MLG on G4, Dave?

I don't like G4, though I have watched some MLG videos on youtube.

A difference in opinion I suppose.  I question why you suggest GrimTuesday to practice more advanced techniques before moves that Sakurai wants us to play with.  He doesn't have to be a pro to beat his brother and it doesn't take advanced moves to make a good smasher either.  But, I respect your opinion anyway. 

I'm telling him what to do to win. If he didn't care about winning, I would tell him to roll and stuff.

And Brandon, they do use everything I talk about. The lack of them would result in their utter failure.

[thunderhero4]

You remind me of a friend of mine. He uses the exact same characters, and while he doesn't lose to his brother (as he doesn't have one) he always loses to Chody and I.

Since you use those two characters, you HAVE to learn 2 advanced techniques. For Ice climbers, wavedashing, and for Ness, DJC. If you want to be good with them at all, those aren't an option. Also, I recommend using ICs more. They are better than Ness.

Second, lower the amount of stocks. It'll keep your matches short and fresh, as well as help you decide who is better. With 15 stocks, you have to wait much longer to change character. I recommend 4-stock (and 8-minute time limit).

Next, choose some better stages, ones that rely on skill more so. Corneria is fine, though don't live on it. Try Yoshi's Story (the one with Randall the cloud on it. Not sure if that is Yoshi's Island, I can never remember), Dream Land 64, FD, and Pokemon stadium. If you are playing on temple, the only thing you are proving is who can run away longer/tech better. But, if he is the one who chooses Temple and not you, tell him that person with the least amount of damage if stocks are tied wins, and choose fox. Laser him, and then run like a p***y.

Finally, don't practice on level 9s, go with 8s. 8s are better for training against humans. You can work on a bit of tech skill with 9s, but because of their reflexes it can scare you away from doing something that works on humans. 1s, 5s, and 8s are the levels you should play against most.

level 1s don't seem to help at all they attack usually 1 once per 2 seconds thats slow

Level 1s are for practicing techs and combos. It is a lot better to learn to L-cancel all your moves at first when you don't have to worry about getting punted by an f-smash when you miss it. Plus, they have much better DI than level 6-9.

Okay. I can Wavedash but I can never seem to do it when I'm in a proper battle, I will practise more.
I will practice DJC (Double Jump Cancel right?) as well.
Ice Climbers are my best characters and I use them more than Ness.
Why 4 stock? Why not 5?
Unfortunately I haven't unlocked FD yet because my brothers memory card keeps becoming corrupted forcing us to delete our data, but this time it is on my Memory Card so it is safe.
I normally play against Lv. 8s but I never thought of practising techs on Lv. 1s.
We don't normally chase each other on Temple, we just like it because we have enough space to attack from distances and stuff.

Thanks for the tips!

I said 4-stock because of how it keeps the matches short, but long enough for you to do your best. That and it is what professionals play with. :P

Wavedashing is so important with ICs. You can get across FD almost as fast as Fox if you wavedash with them.


Tollhouse, don't tell him to practice Roll Dodging. It's a bad habit. It leaves you severely open. One needs to learn to replace Rolling with Wavedashing. Not 100%, but for the most part.
Also, Hyrule is a bad place to train. The only good thing to train for at Hyrule is teching. The fact that you can easily live to 200+ % is horrible for training. FD keeps the fight nice and clean, and you can't vagina-y foot around the stage like Hyrule.

Also, like you said, Hyrule is intercourse ing huge. Every other stage fails in comparison to it. The overall layout is just bad. Grim, try to keep AWAY from Hyrule, unless you want all your battles to based on your ability to tech, and not being the better overall player.

You ever watch MLG on G4, Dave?

I don't like G4, though I have watched some MLG videos on youtube.

A difference in opinion I suppose.  I question why you suggest GrimTuesday to practice more advanced techniques before moves that Sakurai wants us to play with.  He doesn't have to be a pro to beat his brother and it doesn't take advanced moves to make a good smasher either.  But, I respect your opinion anyway. 

I'm telling him what to do to win. If he didn't care about winning, I would tell him to roll and stuff.

And Brandon, they do use everything I talk about. The lack of them would result in their utter failure.

Ya, I suppose...

But ive never seen any wavedashing...is it illegal in pro tournements?

[tollhouse2006]

I was just saying that the roll dodging thing is a good counter move.  I might have made you think I abuse it but I don't.     

[Dawei]

You remind me of a friend of mine. He uses the exact same characters, and while he doesn't lose to his brother (as he doesn't have one) he always loses to Chody and I.

Since you use those two characters, you HAVE to learn 2 advanced techniques. For Ice climbers, wavedashing, and for Ness, DJC. If you want to be good with them at all, those aren't an option. Also, I recommend using ICs more. They are better than Ness.

Second, lower the amount of stocks. It'll keep your matches short and fresh, as well as help you decide who is better. With 15 stocks, you have to wait much longer to change character. I recommend 4-stock (and 8-minute time limit).

Next, choose some better stages, ones that rely on skill more so. Corneria is fine, though don't live on it. Try Yoshi's Story (the one with Randall the cloud on it. Not sure if that is Yoshi's Island, I can never remember), Dream Land 64, FD, and Pokemon stadium. If you are playing on temple, the only thing you are proving is who can run away longer/tech better. But, if he is the one who chooses Temple and not you, tell him that person with the least amount of damage if stocks are tied wins, and choose fox. Laser him, and then run like a p***y.

Finally, don't practice on level 9s, go with 8s. 8s are better for training against humans. You can work on a bit of tech skill with 9s, but because of their reflexes it can scare you away from doing something that works on humans. 1s, 5s, and 8s are the levels you should play against most.

level 1s don't seem to help at all they attack usually 1 once per 2 seconds thats slow

Level 1s are for practicing techs and combos. It is a lot better to learn to L-cancel all your moves at first when you don't have to worry about getting punted by an f-smash when you miss it. Plus, they have much better DI than level 6-9.

Okay. I can Wavedash but I can never seem to do it when I'm in a proper battle, I will practise more.
I will practice DJC (Double Jump Cancel right?) as well.
Ice Climbers are my best characters and I use them more than Ness.
Why 4 stock? Why not 5?
Unfortunately I haven't unlocked FD yet because my brothers memory card keeps becoming corrupted forcing us to delete our data, but this time it is on my Memory Card so it is safe.
I normally play against Lv. 8s but I never thought of practising techs on Lv. 1s.
We don't normally chase each other on Temple, we just like it because we have enough space to attack from distances and stuff.

Thanks for the tips!

I said 4-stock because of how it keeps the matches short, but long enough for you to do your best. That and it is what professionals play with. :P

Wavedashing is so important with ICs. You can get across FD almost as fast as Fox if you wavedash with them.


Tollhouse, don't tell him to practice Roll Dodging. It's a bad habit. It leaves you severely open. One needs to learn to replace Rolling with Wavedashing. Not 100%, but for the most part.
Also, Hyrule is a bad place to train. The only good thing to train for at Hyrule is teching. The fact that you can easily live to 200+ % is horrible for training. FD keeps the fight nice and clean, and you can't vagina-y foot around the stage like Hyrule.

Also, like you said, Hyrule is intercourse ing huge. Every other stage fails in comparison to it. The overall layout is just bad. Grim, try to keep AWAY from Hyrule, unless you want all your battles to based on your ability to tech, and not being the better overall player.

You ever watch MLG on G4, Dave?

I don't like G4, though I have watched some MLG videos on youtube.

A difference in opinion I suppose.  I question why you suggest GrimTuesday to practice more advanced techniques before moves that Sakurai wants us to play with.  He doesn't have to be a pro to beat his brother and it doesn't take advanced moves to make a good smasher either.  But, I respect your opinion anyway. 

I'm telling him what to do to win. If he didn't care about winning, I would tell him to roll and stuff.

And Brandon, they do use everything I talk about. The lack of them would result in their utter failure.

Ya, I suppose...

But ive never seen any wavedashing...is it illegal in pro tournements?

It's 100% legal. You probably just watched some wavedashless matches. Wavedashing is one of the few things that isn't required to be used all the time, unless you use Ice Climbers.

[Apollo]

im guessing youre Bro. uses Ness' bat a lot (which can get freakin annoying)
to keep your distance try using roy, fox, or link
the bad thing about link is that his spin attack is youre best bet and in that case be prepared for pk fire

[GrimTuesday]

im guessing youre Bro. uses Ness' bat a lot (which can get freakin annoying)
to keep your distance try using roy, fox, or link
the bad thing about link is that his spin attack is youre best bet and in that case be prepared for pk fire

Dude... You really need to pay attention... Ness is one of MY mains, my Bro uses Marth.

[Dawei]

im guessing youre Bro. uses Ness' bat a lot (which can get freakin annoying)
to keep your distance try using roy, fox, or link
the bad thing about link is that his spin attack is youre best bet and in that case be prepared for pk fire

Dude... You really need to pay attention... Ness is one of MY mains, my Bro uses Marth.

Your wrote on the front page he uses Ness. ;)

[Depster]

Ya... so all I can say is no wonder... Marth has priority over like everything with his neutral b...  Try to find your best priority attacks.   


@Dawei, can you make a thread or something about what characters even need wavedashing or something like that?

[Apollo]

im guessing youre Bro. uses Ness' bat a lot (which can get freakin annoying)
to keep your distance try using roy, fox, or link
the bad thing about link is that his spin attack is youre best bet and in that case be prepared for pk fire

Dude... You really need to pay attention... Ness is one of MY mains, my Bro uses Marth.

Your wrote on the front page he uses Ness. ;)

yeah
i cant assume he uses marth when you tell me he uses ness